Just a note from an Aboriginal Australian - we call these cultural beliefs ‘the Dreaming’ not ‘the Dreamtime’, as to many of us this is not mythology or history - it is current. ☺️ The Dreaming encompasses beliefs of hundreds of Aboriginal groups who are all diverse in their dreaming stories and traditions.
Hope you also use it to ask questions and find your earned dignity again and don't be fooled by illusions and politics - which some are very good at fooling others with.
When I was 7 to 10 years old, my mother who did not finish highschool. Told me the story of the Seventh Sisters and she also said to me they were call the Seventh little Goats, Las siete Cabritas... and that those were 7 stars that were always together. I am from Costa Rica... Now I am 31 and I am in complete odd that somehow a story that is thousands of years old found an organic mother to son way to get to my ears... How could that story move in a time previous to the internet trough so many people and finally get to my ears as a kid that sends chill trough my back!! I will now also tell this story, because for some reason if refuses to die! Thank you Jhon once again for this channel!
This is one of the best compare and contrast videos I've seen about the Greek and Aboriginal Pleiades myth stories. It's so refreshng to see someone actually study and present the information in a genuine format instead of conspiracy theorist clickbait vids that are usually associated with things like these. Thank you for compiling a great video - you have a new Follower :)
The first time I heard of the pleiades was when I was a young child. My mother told me that the constellation was used to determine the worth of a hunter by counting the stars, if one could see all seven they would become a great hunter
There's nothing similar about the Canadian Indian to the Australian Aborigines were talking about a hundred thousand years of evolution between the two groups.
There is a similar story in Norwegian mythology. The seven sisters of the troll king were chased by a hunter as well. The hunter shot an arrow after them. Another figure threw his hat in the way of arrow, saving the sisters. The hat fell and turned into the mountain, Torghatten. It has a hole in the middle of it. (Found along the coast of Helgeland, close to Brønnøysund). The sisters unfortuneately did not make it home before sunrise, and turned to stone. ‘The seven sisters’ just south of Sandnessjøen.
I was told a story about the 7 sisters. According to the lady there was 7 sisters and a brother, they created humanity. It's a Native American story, she said her spirit guide was white Buffalo calf woman. She told me in the beginning mankind was given the power to move mountains with words. She told me all sorts of things. She told me we abused our powers and they were taken away. She said our universal language was taken Away and replaced with different languages for each civilization. She said once the world learns how to be nice to each other we will get our original language back and our powers. Also the main difference is, she told me the 7 sisters and one brother came from the star in the middle. They were not turned into stars. They came from them, they live on the middle star. She said that's where we'll go when the world finds peace.
This is such an inspiring story, and encouraging. It's similar to what I've heard also. I'm part native American, and also a Taurus and hare (Chinese sign) kind of silly, I know. But I've always related to this story. It is a beautiful incentive to motivate people to strive towards peace 🕊️ 😊❤
Do you have any idea which tribe is using this tale? Actually, most major world religions share ideas on these themes. I, too, thank you for sharing this ❤.
This reminds me greatly of the Tower of Babel. However, in that case, the people were united in trying to surpass their god and usurp his throne. God punished us by confusing our tongues.
Casper Wyoming is where you need to be if you're looking for the answers. I really can't explain it without sounding like a lunatic. But I watched a very eccentric roaming woman make it literally snow dime sized snowflakes. She told me some wild things. I didn't believe her. Then she started doing things with her hands waving them in the air. It seemed like nonsense.. then thebiggest snowflakes I've ever seen in my life started falling all around. It only lasted for 5 minutes. There was no snow before. None after. Not that day. It was the wildest 2 years of my life. 11 It's the place where wander meets water.. I don't exactly know what it is. But I know that. It has something to do with Casper Mountain. It is truly a magical place.
In Finnish mythology, which is sadly long forgotten and fragmented, the goddess of air and heavens has a bird land on her knee, and that bird laid 7 eggs, six of gold and one of iron, and once the eggs fell, their broken shells created the sky. Kind of fun to think about.
I often have thought about that issue. It saddens me that we do not know a great deal more than we do about Norse mythology! Same goes for Roman paganism and many others. I'm all for Christianity or whatever, but they most certainly went out of their way to try to wipe out all knowledge of what was before. Just like when ISIS was destroying all of the ancient Sumerian ruins in Iraq. ugh Or, the destruction of so many places in South America by the Catholic patrons of the Conquistadors. What a loss for the human race! ugh! In that case, some of these peoples' temples were aligned to track the procession of the equinox!!! A cycle that takes 25,700 years!!! Like, how the heck did they figure that out and be able to track something that takes such a long time to occur!?!?! I personally do not think it is aliens at all. I think we, humans, have been advanced to a certain degree in the distant past. That something terrible happened here. And that some of these ruins are all that is left to tell the story. Each one lost makes answering the questions of our history harder to answer. As far as Norse mythology goes, even what we do know suggests a long time period and has many odd similarities with other very ancient beliefs. Something I dought very highly is a coincidence.
I think the fact that so many cultures refer to them as seven even though only six have been visible for 70,000 years is by far the most compelling evidence of a common origin. If the oral tradition was broken somehow, those stars would have lost their names, and been renamed something in line with the number now visible (IE "The Six Sisters"). The fact that all of these cultures knew there were 7 tens of thousands of years ago proves that they retain oral tradition from that long ago, when they shared a common location.
Nah it just spread around the world over the last thousands of years Actually, no, 100 000 years ago homo sapiens mostly lived in Africa so that place might have just been Africa and told to children for the last thousands of years since the tribal ages.
oral tradition is highly effective and oddly underestimated, we all tell our stories many times even today, it's practically an instinctual habit for us to repeat important information, and we love telling people things they don't know, which is the best way for us to remember exactly how it was said.
Or, it could be evidence of crude telescopes made using natural glass lenses earlier than galileo. Humans had to have noticed certain clear rocks can magnify things under them. Its not a stretch to think they may try looking through them at night. Humans arent stupid.
I was told a story about the 7 sisters when I was a kid, by an old creole man in south Louisiana. I wish I could remember the details but I wasn't even ten back then. He told me s bunch of wild stories about stars and trees and stuff. I always thought he was just making them up because they were so different than anything I've heard before. I wish I could get in touch with him and ask about it, but last I heard he's off grid somewhere in the woods of Mississippi lol
Actually a person who shares those two signs, after all, we are not just the Sun sign, but the moon sign at the same time, so a Gemini is also a Capricorn Cap as in Capstone of a Pyramid Where the Phoenix lands upon the altar of Ra
There's a very similar story with many variation in the various North American First Nations. One goes like this: One day, seven little girls were playing at a distance from the village and were chased by some bears. The girls ran toward the village and the bears were just about to catch them when the girls jumped on a low rock, about three feet high. One of the girls prayed to the rock, "Rock take pity on us, rock save us!" The rock heard them and began to grow upwards, pushing the girls higher and higher. When the bears jumped to reach the girls, they scratched the rock, broke their claws, and fell on the ground. The rock rose higher and higher, the bears still jumped at the girls until they were pushed up into the sky, where they now are, seven little stars in a group (The Pleiades). In the winter, in the middle of the night, the seven stars are right over this high rock. When the people came to look, they found the bears' claws, turned to stone, all around the base. That rock is now what we call the "devils' tower" in Wyoming.
I don't think even academics realise just how dark the night was on this planet in the ancient times. Just going from a city to a suburb to a very rural area changes what you see in the sky. I flew to AK the flight stopped in MT the sky at night was enormous compared to St Louis. It happens I was at a small northern airport with no big city just a small suburb. When I arrived at Ladd Army Airfield in Ft Wainwright that night I could see the milky way and stars I didn't know you could see, and that was with Fairbanks a small town just a mile or two away. So what it must have been like standing at night with the only light being a dying campfire or little first time torch or perhaps nothing and no light anywhere on the whole planet interrupting the night sky. Our people must have set for hours in awe just mesmerized by the sight.
I assure you, academics know very well how dark it is without light pollution. That's why astronomic observatories are located in very remote places with as little light pollution as possible.
Maybe I misunderstand the English language but when you're at a remote place the sky is brighter at night not darker. If there are no clouds you don't need any other light source than the stars to follow a path for example. And if there's a full moon it's as bright as in the day but less colors. I'm blue eyed and blue eyes have better night vision and I don't know how brown eyed experience a star lit night sky but this is how it is for me.
It’s fascinating that the seven star name of this cluster outlived such a slow disappearance. You can imagine a more recent point, maybe in the Mesolithic, when people began missing the seventh star, only to have another person in their group squint and point out that you could just about see seven - and there follows the mythologisation of why the seventh is disappearing - hiding from the hunter, hiding in shame, caught by an earthly parent etc. And it happens less and less often, but perhaps this transitional time allows the idea of the seventh star disappearing to take hold before someone can say, “you’re right, there’s clearly only six up there”.
Theres actually a street I know that's called the 'seven sister street' at Hong Kong! I've always felt like there's a story behind it but never knew what exactly it is. Thank you for your lovely explanation!
This an exciting compilation of different stories across the globe and as a small token of my appreciation of this beautiful work done by you. I would love the make a contribution to this story with an Indian (Hindu) version of the story. According to the epic Mahabharata, the stars of the Big Dipper were the seven sages called Rishis. These seven sages are said to be those who made the Sun rise and shine. They were happily married to seven sisters named Krttika. They originally all lived together in the northern sky. But one day, the god of fire, Agni, emerged from the flames of an offering performed by the seven Rishis and fell in love with the seven Krttika. Trying to forget his hopeless love for the Krttika, Agni wandered in the forest where he met Svaha. To conquer Agni’s love, Svaha disguised herself as six of the seven Krttika. Svaha could mimic only six of the Krttika because the seventh sister Arundhati was too devoted to her husband to be imitated. After a while, Svaha gave birth to a child that she named Skanda. With his birth, rumors began to spread that six of the Rishis’ wives were his mother. Six of the Rishis divorced their wives. Arundhati was the only one that remained with her husband as the star Alcor. The other six Krttika went away to become the Pleiades.
I don't follow Greek mythology or the Australian tribesman and so on, 12 minutes 49 seconds in and I am blown away, where has this channel been I'm starting to find really interesting stuff, nicely told this 👍
If I'm not mistaken, this is a native American story as well, except they are a mix of boys and girls from a small tribal village. There was nothing to do with a hunter, but the kids were doing a dance that was forbidden for them. They are taken up into the sky and turn into the 7 stars. Pretty amazing how these stories are told all over the world, even with the variations! Sorry I wrote this before I got to the part where you mention the story, briefly, LOL.
You’ve got that right. It was a legend of the mohawk people in southern Ontario. The children were punished for performing a sacred dance and honoring the creator because they have not been properly initiated yet. Seven children or seven sisters from the star cluster where you can only see six with the naked eye. It would almost seem like our ancestors had greater technology than the modern paradigm gives them credit for. with that I’m gonna go outside and build some polygon or masonry walls for the new pyramid structure that we’re constructing. Oh wait never mind we don’t know how to do that yet lol
3 things about this mind blowing analyses shook me: 1.We are all the same people, with the same cultural roots 2. potentially coming from unimaginable deep antiquity 3.keeping our ancestors beliefs and knowledge along the way! Although so much still got lost to Time! Farther we learn about humanity deep past, more and more evidence we find that our ancestors were far from primitive and managed to accumulate incredible body of knowledge and skills! Some of the archeological finds just can’t be explained through modern paradigm including Pleiades myths. We shouldn’t discard another possible scenario that also doesn’t require 100kay scheme of tribes wandering around the Earth with the same story. If some culture for example managed to rise above the tribal level due to stable climate or some incredible innovation(s) like agriculture or social hierarchy somewhere during the ice age it may have reached high level of development, that would allow them to go global, spreading their influence and alongside their intricate knowledge of the 7star-sisters. And when they were doomed, their knowledge and stories stayed... After all most of world myths talk about teachers or masters, who brought knowledge with them.I don’t think we should ignore such an important fact!
In India, there's a story about 7 sisters making a constellation. They were called Kritikas. They were daughter's of the creator Brahma. They are also mentioned in the story of origin of Shiva's child, Kartikeya.
They are not kritika.. they are 7 Saptarshi.. lord shiva give knowledge to this 7 sages and told them to build civilization on earth from this 7 sages entire earth humans originated
here in Aotearoa/New Zealand, Matariki became a national holiday this year (2022), recognizing the importance of this time to Maori - the indigenous people of Aotearoa. Matariki is the Māori name for the cluster of stars known to Western astronomers as the Pleiades. There are many legends about the star cluster Matariki; the most popular is that the star Matariki is the whaea (mother), surrounded by her six daughters. (some iwi/tribes have a mix of female & male sibling, some 7 stars, some 9). Matariki is/was an occasion to mourn the deceased, celebrate the present, and prepare the ground for the coming year
@Ксенія♡укр oh, so sorry for delay responding - been having technical difficulties yes - absolutely - you are 100% correct - I'm very impressed - Matariki is absolutely like Maori New Year these stars arise in June/July here - basically mid winter Twinkling in the winter sky just before dawn, Matariki (the Pleiades) signals the Māori New Year. For Māori, the appearance of Matariki heralds a time of remembrance, joy and peace. It is a time for communities to come together and celebrate. "Traditionally, Matariki was a time to acknowledge the dead and to release their spirits to become stars. It was also a time to reflect, to be thankful to the gods for the harvest, to feast and to share the bounty of the harvest with family and friends." source - Te Ara - the Encyclopedia of Aotearoa / New Zealand
@Ксенія♡укр I completely, totally agree - becoming more attuned to natural cycles rather than just a date that feels like any other day (except for the many NYE hangovers the next days lol)
This story actually reminds me of a folktale from Java, Indonesia about 7 sisters that came down from heaven to take a bath on a lake on earth. A man named Jaka Tarub noticed them and tried to take a peek. He also found out that the sisters aren't human and used shawl to fly so he stole one of them. The sisters then found out and immediately scrambled but one sister can not fly because she lost her own shawl. Jaka Tarub then emerged then pretended just arrived so he helped her. He allowed this sister to stay at his house and after a long time they became a husband and wife, even had a baby. The sister eventually found her shawl hidden inside rice silo and, took it and left her husband and child, and never came back. No mention about stars though. Some versions actually suggested that Jaka Tarub were a hunter while others only state that he was just a handsome man that collected woods when he found the sisters.
@@Crecganford No problem. Love to see that there is story from my country that has some similarities to world stories. Hope we can find more in your next findings.
this Indonesian version is surprisingly similar to a version of the Cowherd and the Weaver girl and some similar Japanese folktales, which all has this Swan-Maiden-Tale plot.
this also strangely fits with the Sandmans' Calliope story. not nearly as ancient, of coruse, but what a lovely interweaving - intentional or otherwise.
These stories are so interesting. Human spirits have common origin and common experiences. Here in Nigeria the yuroba have story the same as Nordic people concerning the God of thunder,Known as Thor to northern people but known as Sango amongst the African yuroba people. Even the all father Odene has yuroba version called oduduwa. These personalities can be identified as the same because they all have the same chacteristic and the same roles in creations. Human spirit are united by common experiences represented differently by different cultures. Thank you for sharing your experience. All is One.
There is also a story of seven sisters in China, which came from another older story that is one of the Four Great Folktales of China. The older story, the Cowherd and the Weaver Girl, can dates back to 700 BC, which was based on ancient astronomy, since the cowherd and the weaver girl are actually the two stars Altair and Vega. It tells about the young man persuing the girl who is the granddaughter of the heaven. Later it was mixed with the star worship of Chinese constellation of pleiades, and the weaver gril became seven sisters from heaven. To most people nowadays, these two are just two version of a same story, but some still see them as different, but the plots are mostly the same.
Thanks a lot for sharing, my mind is being blown reading all these comments sharing their cultural stories describing 1 shared phenomenon, just amazing.
@@ubayyd sorry your reply is a bit old but I had the same reaction. I began watching this and scrolling through the comments and texted a friend "the stars connect us." It's all so fascinating
A very similar story is told by the Lakota, the Kiowa and other first nations of North America, who link the Pleiades and/or the Big Dipper to the volcanic rock formation called by the Lakota 'Mato Tipila' (the house of the Bear) aka Devil's Tower, Wyoming.
Wow, that could seemingly indicate a much earlier entry into North America than originally thought? Around the time of Out of Africa. The First Nations learned that story before they entered the Americas?
Kiowa call The Devils Tower “Tso’eye”. The tower represents a wood stump the Creator made giant to keep seven sisters from a bear scratching up the stump as it grew. The girls became the Big Dipper stars. The bear is considered a brother for the Kiowa because he was warned to not mock the beast as it transformed him.
Life during Pleistocene and Holocene were creative times for Human mind. When the life-giving Sun dips at Dusk, and the Moon, Planets/Gods, Stars govern the night sky - it definitely "wow'd" our ancestors the World over every night, and they gave these bodies in the sky stories and personifications. Throw in a comet and alignments, and the stories become quite dramatic. Pleiades has always been the constellation I was drawn to like magnetism since I was a child, appreciate this Crecganford.
And it sits at 33 degrees on the Zodiac marking the Jewish/ Celtic New Year in September, 7th month of the Zodiac. Pleaides is synonymous with Isis, making Orion Osiris
Crecgan, as an academic you're just straight-up impressive. As a presenter-storyteller, perfectly beguiling! And as a package, Crecganford is memorable. I remember your name. That's something. Keep at it, big man.
Ive been with you for several years, my friend. I am ready for this. I go back and watch your older videos at times. Not really keeping track of days, but nearly 4 months clean now;) Dud it on my own, as i always new i would. Thank you for everything and always being transparent
I think I should remake some of my old videos, the quality of my production is so poor… but I must also thank you for watching me on my journey, and staying! I hope your journey takes you to where you want to be.
As a beginning amateur astronomy-photographer, I also made some pictures of M45 Pleiades. The distinction between Pleione and Atlas is rather clear at those exposures, albeit that Pleione is less bright than Atlas and may therefore be less resolved to the naked eye, becoming a blur together with Atlas. It is Alcyone, the brightest star in the Pleiades cluster, that "swallows" nearby stars, but my exposures show them resolved from one another. And I did not even have to look at telescope exposures for this. My latest photo of the Pleiades is from my Nikon DSLR camera on a tracking mount, using a standard 24-120mm zoom-lens. I made a series of 134 exposures in a row, each 30 seconds long. My goal was to see the blue nebulae around the stars, but this exposure series was not long enough, so I only got the stars, but well resolved from one another, as far as the optics allow for it.
I would really like to see more of this kind of presentation: very well thought out, not unrealistic as many are, interesting without being trite, and of academic quality. Thank you. Keep up the good work.
Well said. Outstanding presentation. Reasonable AND well-reasoned. And the response is deservedly robust. Just look at the comments. Shows how many people from around the world have enjoyed reading, sharing and remembering. Sir, you have done something special: you have awakened many viewers.
It's interesting because my tribe (Choctaw) has this story as well - which is actually the reason why I clicked on it. Because my tribe descends from the mound building civilization, my assumption is that other tribes that also descend from the mound builders might also have it (chickasaw, muskogee, houma, yuchi, hochunk, caddo, osage, etc). Tribes that aren't mound builders (such as the Cherokees) but are now adjacent to mound building descended tribes might also now hold this story too.... and the tribes we used to have dealings with back in the day precontact like the Mohawk and Six Nations. I'm not 100% on that tho, but that's my theory since we did share quite a bit in pre contact times AND the mound building cities were great sites of trade in goods, ceremony, and ideas. In addition to the story of the 7 sisters and the hunter, cosmologically, I believe the belief is also that you pass through either them or Orion's belt to journey on to the after life.
There has some similar beliefd about the pathways to Heaven, in some African religions. These beliefs must be pretty old, given that the earliest written records of such religious beliefs dates back to the Old Kingdom period of ancient Egypt, if not even since much earlier in the Pre-Dynastic period.
Totally unrelated but i just notcied, I'm Cree, my friends and family would call Muskogee 'bad medicine' I know the Cree warred with plenty of other people. I wonder if we encountered natives from the USA and had a bad experience.
About a year and a half ago I did a school project on this! We were supposed to set up a stage for a hypothetical play about a myth, and I chose this one.
In ancient Egypt, the Star Cluster we call the Pleiades was know as "The Celestial Heard" and were an import part of the system of timekeeping and a seasonal marker. ... In the ancient Egypt seven goddesses, represented by seven cows, composed the celestial herd that provides the nourishment to her worshippers. This herd is observed in the sky as a group of stars, the Pleiades, close to Aldebaran, the main star in the Taurus constellation.
Quite similar to the kalenjin tribe in kenya this constellation was known as Koromenik , and its appearance signified an abundant harvest.A harvest seasonal marker
Consider also the amount of dust in the air from volcanoes leading to poor crops. When the sisters are clear we say it's going to be a good year, when hidden we say a bad year.
In the indigenous Tausug culture of the southern islands of the Philippines, the Seven winged sisters are known as the Biraddali (Vidhyadari in Sanskrit because we were Buddhists before converting to Islam after it's arrival.) A deer informed a man that in order to marry a Biraddali, he needs to hide one of their wings while they're bathing at the end of a rainbow. Consequently, Rainbow is also called Bahaghari which is a lot close to the word Biraddali as well.
Rainbows are believed to be the way to the gods in Hawaiian culture. The rainbow are our chakras which make us find our higher self or our inner god or goddess. Then we awaken to our true purpose and reason for being here.
Crecgarford I made comment about the apparent similarities between various world wide stories about the constellations of Orion and the Pleiades in response to your Cosmic Hunt video. You responded by saying you intended to take a deeper look at this. Well you did, and I really appreciate your work. Apart from what I have learned from your work, the comments made by my fellow viewers are amazingly insightful as well.
Worth waiting for! Really loved this one and would like more videos about really old stories and motifs. Especially those that are connected with stars.
Many years ago when i was a teenager i had one of those dreams that one doesn't forget. The first part of the dream was of a massive stellar "explosion" (best way i can describe it) where countless stars were emanating from some source? The second part of the dream was of a star cluster that i came to realize were the Pleiades. In the dream i (or someone) was singing 🎶 Seven stars across the sky 🎶 to the tune of the refrain of "Cowgirl In the Sand" by Neil Young (i just dated myself 😁) and i awoke singing it. Thanks for the video 👍
Romantic that I am, I've always wondered why there are asterisms that hold more wonder than others. The Pleaides has been that for me, I've been fascinated with those particular stars since I was little. Sometimes I wonder if our DNA retains some ancestral memory kept locked in our subsconscious to things like specific stars or a place. That memory keeps a fire of awe and wonder alive. Thank you for all your effort and work to tie the relevant information from across the ages together, it's wildly fascinating what myths have commonality from seemingly disparate people and places.
Our DNA does contain these ancestral memories. It's how I uncovered the story of the 7 Mothers in the Akan story, which I did not hear about in the video.
Wow, I remember reading a Native North American story like this (maybe Blackfoot? I don't remember). But the seven sisters were running from a flea, who wanted to marry them. To escape they turned into stars. Amazing how this story was either re-invented or has a common root before humans spread out. I personally think it was re-created, especially given the Pleiades being a point of inspiration.
Yes, it shows VERY convincingly that they have a common root. And the various versions I've heard people here claim from all kinds of different cultures are all actually strikingly similar and all essentially contain the same general set of crucial elements. In all the stories, they are 7 relatives (showing relation, most often sisters), often directly representing Pleiades, or it is just one woman that might represent them as a collective, if they're not just assumed to already be here when the story starts, they are here for a reason related to vitality (to bathe, to marry, to save themselves from danger), they are either chased or tricked into staying while here, and they escape into the Heavens but most often something is left behind on Earth. Usually something that integrates into this world in some form. I'd say it's a pretty consistent story, all important elements considered. I wonder what symbolic representations can be found in the elements held in common with these stories. That is probably the key to understanding what this ancient shared story is trying to tell us.
While I was living in Australia, I could often count as much as 12 stars in Pleiades. In Europe and USA, with the same eyes, I could see only 7 (although knowing where the others were from my Australian experience, I could later guess the location of the others).
Here in norway i can go outside straight from my lit up living room and count 8 stars with no problem. At my location light polution are not a problem.
@@John_Longbow I perceive it as a sort of a chariot (like Ursa major). Four stars in a bent row, the two in the middle have the wheels underneath. Which makes six. And then, the last on has a little star behind like a handle. Which makes it seven (I live 30km south of Prague).
@@dudeistpreist5721 can't be just that: the cultures that created the story didn't have the light pollution. I was always seeing very well to distance, that's one thing; second, by "as much as 12" I mean, the extra stars (say the last three or four) were there more in side vision than directly observable, because they are more like nebulae, the dust shines around them. Also, when we look at the picture here in the video, the seven sisters are apart of their parents, so we have 7+2=9 stars altogether. This is confusing, because when I described the four stars in a bent row in my above post, the first left star is Atlas with Pleione in one. So when I look at it here in Europe (I am lucky to live outside of the city, so the pollution isn't that bad), when I say I see 7 stars now, that means Atlas plus six.
Great video, thanks for uploading! The oldest visual depiction of the Pleiades finds itself actually in Lascaux Cave in France, where their characteristic shape is painted over the shoulder of the bull. I really recommend Randall Carlson's video on Halloween tradition, where he explores this topic.
The stars' relationship to the bull is very interesting to me. I have often wondered how the constellations first developed because, to my uneducated eyes, the groups of stars look nothing like what they represent. I'm sure the stars meant much more to the ancient peoples - they would have been a significant aspect of the night back then.
I’m so touched deeply in your analysis, the sacred of number 7 is endlessly inspiring, based on this amazing story. I wonder if there more stories or legends that are related,,,, please share. Thank you for sharing this knowledge 🙏🌟
Thank you for this excellent content. This is my first time stumble onto your website and I will certainly check out other presentations of yours. In certain region of Flores Island in Indonesia, just north of Australia, the myth of six/seven Sisters is actually reflected in rite of initiation (e. g. six days rite of birth, six/seven days of girls' rite of initiation, six days of boys' rite of initiation into adulthood, etc.), traditional architecture (seven traditional house of a tribe, seven villages, lots of six/seven elements in construction of traditional houses, etc.), human development as voyages through seven seas, etc.; the time of agricultural planting, harvest and hunting season are also closely related to the rise and journey of Pleiades, Taurus and Orion in the night skies from November through March/April. The myth is literarily still alive until today. There's a book in Indonesian about this that hopefully soon will be translated into English. The title is something like 'On Earth As It Is In The Sky.'
I love the exploration of Dreamtime! I teach Middle Schoolers so I can't go in depth as I like--their minds still get fixated on "Did this story really happen?" not "What can this story tell us about the humans who told it?" So I appreciate getting to stretch my mind a little further with videos like these. 🙂
Decades of the 'trust the experts' mentality stripped children of their critical thinking and natural curiosity, IMO. In a lot of ways human science and curiosity has been severely clamped down by the dogma of 'authority' figures, so it's only natural over time through our own behavior that kids would be more worried about the 'authenticity' of such a story rather than the actual material of the story itself. People think they need permission to think outside of conventions these days.
@@shadow7988 Trust comes with understanding. Of course you should not believe them just because of seniority. However, you can show children and adults how the scientific method works and why you can rely on its ability to improve knowledge. It's not so much about opinion (mainly when interpreting results) than it is about facts and how you gain factual evidence.
@@Astro-Markus If only it were that simple, but the reality is that it is not. Scientific consensus is a non-existent concept. It's literally NEVER been true at any point in human history. Over the last hundred years alone we've rewritten our understanding of gravity three times and invented matter and energy that has absolutely no physical evidence of any sort but is held up as gospel rather than re-examining our existing physics models(I am of course talking about dark matter/energy, which have less proof at this point than UFO's and ball lightning). The sad reality is you can't really trust anything you can't replicate and test on your own. Scientist or not, they're still human and prone to error and malfeasance. Covid is probably the best recent example of that, you can't blame people for not trusting the 'experts' when the 'experts' will bend or fabricate data for the sake of corporations and governments. Turns out even scientists have bills to pay, and care more about the paycheck than actual 'science'.
@@shadow7988 I totally disagree. It is actually the strength of the scientific method it can lead to a paradigm shift. It is not dogmatic. Scientific consesus is not a democratic tool. It is always about evidence. It's the best you can do. If you follow the scientific method everyone will come to the same conclusion given the evidence at hand. It may change with new evidence. This is how science works.
interesting because Orion doesn't appear the same below the tropic. i have always known it as Orion but Orion's belt is called the saucepan because of how it appears here as for Indonesians and Australia FN interaction i found out during Australias hard border lockdown during covid that there was issues about island hopping between the Torres's Strait Islands (at least 20 islands that are between Australia and PNG) off far north Queensland and PNG. there has been trade between them for a long time. so Husbands have been caught either in PNG or the many islands in the chain and Australia. unable to return home or trade. leaving many without supplies not really sure on how long ago this started but it's easy to assume this has been going on for generations so stories could be shared between Australia, Papuans New Guinea, the Torres's Strait aswell as Timor-leste and Indonesia. again a fascinating story and i continue to share your channel thanks
I think the biggest issue with these "oldest stories" is that at some point, it would seem natural that a story would have dissolved or changed beyond recognition. A story surviving 100000 years? It's insane to think about. But then when you consider it again; this is a very basic story, the storyline is not very complicated, and most importantly, every night would have given them a visual reminder of the story. I think when you realize this it's easy to see how a story could have survived so well for so long, when this was shown every night on the night sky. I'm sure the children or teenagers would sit and listen to their parents tell them the stories of the night sky, and it would not be surprising to me if such a simple narrative in such a prominent constellation would be easy to remember and easy to retell for generations and generations ...
@UCsNBHrSOY3rPH8SMgziOjxg or maybe it is just a good story, where the details have changed over time, but where the night sky is a constant reminder. I don't think we need to put any added emphasis on the importance of it, especially since it is not actually SUPER *important* in all the cultures. Islam has a myth, the Greeks had a myth .. but in none the point seems very significant. It could just be an explanation for a constellation which can be seen all over the earth, and which then would get passed down. Of course it wasn't just a boring story; it would have to have had a good body of detail and such, like any good story, but those would obviously not be kept in place. I agree it's persisent and widespread, but so are the stars. Widely visible and obviously persistent, coming in every night.
Yeah, but myths are allegory's of psychological processes going on within the psyche, they are eternal truths. There's only one story world-wide really, just expressed through the filter of different cultures.
@@mcnowski no, that's too simplistic. Some myths don't have psychological motifs. Some are meant to teach or warn, for example. Some are just good stories, and some attempt to explain the natural world or depict/remember historical events. Saying all myths depict a psychological process is just as oversimplifying as saying they are all interpretations of the natural forces of the world. Some are. Some aren't.
Maori before the written word would memorise the spoken word exactly. If Maori of NZ couldn’t remember the story being passed down and would deviate in word well reciting there history in story, That person would have all of the holes in the body sown up. Sew the mouth eyes ears punishment before death ensuring the Maori value memory and history
Thank you! As the middle of seven sisters (no brothers) I long identified with this cluster's Greek tale, and would find other ones over the decades, , intrigued (aghast) to find myself filially 'disapeared' as Merope. It led to other wondrous doors opnening, such as star family heritage and the sacred geometries of the cosmos grounded on Earth. Your video is a goldmine. bless you LOVE, big hug, xoxOxox
20:50 romantics vs academics + 24:54 ... an excursion and many downloads since posting has me ask why we would assume that the Dreamers now could not have been Dreamers then. The current evolution of our species, being pioneered by astral travelers and "innernet" telepaths, has me wondering if the following might have been common knowledge to our ancestors: the lost Pleiad did not disappear--she was relocated to Alpha Virgo. She had graduated from the stellar nursery, having gained light. Just as souls can migrate from one genetic human line to another, her astral address migrated to Spica. For Merope fell to Earth as a pioneering astronaut, seeding the planet as our mum for the Earth's first Tree of Life. Named 'Lilith' she took off after dualism errupted and paradise was lost. In another iteration of her soul, Astraea, the maid of the stars, the daughter of Dawn and Dusk (twilight's border), she was the last god to remain on Earth after the last Golden Age fell. That had been, per Hesiod, a society of immortal males, who fell when fire was stolen (Prometheus as your Wurrunnah) and Pandora was crafted. Then demonized like Lilith. Not so the men abducting Earth maidens, like the Elohim or Fallen Angels creating a race of glowing giants (such as Gerda, who existed in another dimension in Old Norse sagas). Evolving, this 'world's oldest story' keeps getting told over and over with new names every few thousand years. Aldebaran and the other Watcher stars upgraded and became Royal Stars, seeding the lit lineage, and then evolved to be protectors, like knightly lion-hearted Regulus, or The Follower, Aldebaran, who follows the Pleiades as an angel or spirit does, coming from behind. Aldebaran culturally morphed into Archangel Michael, a protector of our current semi-angelic pioneers; he has been that for the 3 western religions of male mono-gods. Now the divine feminine is being re-integrated, balancing between the genders, none dominant. It is proposed that Michael's gentle incarnation will seed the New Earth's New Golden Age Tree of Life, and that was energized by the payload from the Oort Cloud that came in via the ATLAS Comet, which, at its closest approach to Earth just weeks ago, sailed right down the middle of the little skirt on Virgo, the constellation where Spica lies as the seed corn, the ear of wheat or grain. That is where Astraea, the maid of the stars, was placed to recoop after her last romp left her depleted and disgusted, lying down in the renewing stream of the Milky Way, neither wanting to remain on Earth nor return to the heavens, whose oversight of the precious planet, she felt, was negligent. It is she (as written in the stars) who returns to herald the dawn of the new Age. And it is she, holding Libra's scales, who is weighing it to be an upgrade from the old blight of patriarchy. Absent a need for linear proof, as curvy as feminine non-linear thinking. Which the nature spirits and cosmic ancestors feed. As they do the Dreamers, vibrantly interconnected in a unifying consciousness. The indigenous Dreaming did not need proof to know what they knew. Nor do the current GENIUS energy readers who size up--in less than an instant--what is happening in the aquarian Collective, having never met nor heard of the players they are reading with amazing accuracy. They, along with other gentle vulnerable cultures, are in harmony with Nature like the Aborigine, and will be protected from "manifest destiny" concepts. As will all sorts of conceptions.
One of the most interesting things about the existence of such an early story, and really all stories, is the realization that humans will always ask “why?”. Really you could argue that asking “why?” is the most fundamental human trait, and that the impulse to do so is the origin of all stories.
- and it's vital for the self-proclaimed wise man to have an answer ready, and something more satisfying ready for the cleverest student, or as in the case of the seven sisters, the student with the best eyes in the village.
@@stevetheduck1425weird how they always converge on seven sisters turning into stars, though. I mean the number could obviously be derived _from_ the stars, but why sisters, or transfigured humans at all? Just seems too specific to be a product of trend.
@@tahunuva4254 For the same reason gods are human-like in all myths. We tend to anthropomorphise all natural phenomenons. There are thunders? There must be someone angry up there.
@@tahunuva4254 It'd make sense if there was a common source. And as the story changed and morphed the central story about the 7 sisters largely remained the same.
Great video, how have I missed your channel for so long. I live in Australia, so it's interesting how you reference things. The Australian indigenous population is the oldest living unbroken ethnic group, over 40,000 years old, and predates even the most ancient of proto-civilizations. Their myths and legends surrounding the Great Dreaming and Dreamtime are some of the most ancient and underrated stories we have.
@@privacyviolated583 They did, that's the neat part. But you wont find the story in one place. You find it stretched across hundreds of ancient caves and rock faces, stories told as the tribes migrated seasonally. Paintings, carvings, landmarks. In the northern part of Australia, I was able to visit a sacred site called Thunder Dreaming. It was a giant masa in the middle of nothing, with a cave near the top where elders would go to connect to the Dreamtime and watch monstrous thunderstorms roll over the land, bringing the monsoon seasons with it.
@@johnsmith-fz5pz the earth is millions of years older than what science today tells you. I am Wiradjuri mob, First Nations People of Australia, more commonly known as Aboriginal. My ancestors are the oldest living race on earth and are direct descendants from the earliest pre human prototypes. It was first shown & accepted in science that humanity could be traced back to pre humans living about 200,000 years ago, probably around Africa. However, new mitochondrial DNA studies puts the origin of homo sapiens much further back & shows that the Australian Aborigines, my ancestors, arose 400,000 years ago from two distinct lineages of pre human prototypes, far earlier than any other racial group. These studies also show that Aboriginal people did NOT descend from Africa, or India, as some have thought, but arose from Australia, 400,000 years ago, making them the oldest living human race on earth, who never left their land of origin, and remain there today. And that makes the earth MUCH older than what most people think it is. Earth is billions of years old, 4.6 billion. And Aboriginals are the oldest living human race arising 400,000 years ago out of Australia. Our ties to country is ancient. Mitochondrial DNA evidence can not be refuted.
I live in a town in Healesville Australia and there are 7 hills that represent this belief, I grew up with the Wurundjeri people of which my best mate from pre-school onwards is a clan member.The Wurundjeri are not a single clan though they are a collection of groups spanning a massive area, I feel honoured to have grown up with these stories.If you're willing to look into an amazing bloke William Barak, his story is incredible.
Shout out to my Wurundjeri brothers and sisters still keep all of the rivers and water catchments clean to this day. All through natural and sustainable methods thousands of years old. I literally can drink from my local river without getting sick. Also Ricketts sanctuary is my fave place to go mushroom and bug hunting(i only look and take photos DW its not my land)
Brilliant! My first episode and am most-happy to say that this video is a year old and gives me high-hopes to checkout what other awesomes are found in them. Such a great job here. Thank you! Subbed!!
Another fascinating video here. I particularly like the discussion into the methods you use to establish the facts of what happened. What are the chances of this being a coincidence? Very difficult to put a number to that or to even say what such a number might mean! I'm constantly amazed at how you manage to say anything of substance with any degree of confidence at all - but say it you do. This must be one of the hardest most painstaking subjects there is - much harder than say particle physics. I'm in awe. Thank you.
Thank you for your kind words, and for watching. It is relatively straight forward, providing you are unbiased and academic. As soon as you become emotive about any of it, then you can create a distorted view.
Even if the stories do not share a common origin, it’s astounding that this memory of there being 7 stars in the system has been preserved in myth the world over.
It’s very interesting and seriously intriguing. Paul Wallis also talks about this star system. Very in-depth research could happen here. If we can. Lol.
YOU CAN SEE ALL SEVEN WITH THE NAKED EYE. The seventh appears in your peripheral vision, if you just look a little to the left. This is EXACTLY as it would have been for our ancestors. This idea that the seventh was "lost" to us, or that they could somehow see it better, is HOGWASH.
Like many stories, if we were to suddenly lose our way, those stories would arise again, because they are grounded in nature, in place and in environment.
It appears to me that this is just one of possibly hundreds of mythological tales, where many aspects of the basic tale are the same. It is proof that we humans, going back over the 30,000 years, are all more alike than most are willing to believe. Apparently, many of our ancestors looked up into the stars, and from various regions of the earth saw the similar stories. It's kinda beautiful, really. This isn't the only story humans all have in common, either. The great flood is kind of puzzling to me, has been for decades.. but has become more intriguing as I'd learned of one culture having a similar "great flood" tale.. then another, then another. I believe more looking, connecting, learning, sharing.. we could be on the verge of learning about our connected past. I really hope we are 💝☯️🍀☮♾.
We were sharing stories much earlier than 30,000 years ago. I know of an Aboriginal story that tells of a time before Aboriginal people cooked their meat. Well, it's believed we have been cooking food from well before 100,000 years ago, maybe even 200,000 years ago. This story is going way back into the very early parts of human history.
As a Humanities major in college, I was introduced to the Greek myth of the 7 sisters in my humanities courses but taking Astronomy as my lab science elective at the same time, we were introduced to the Pleiades star cluster through the native American mythology as was the case also with the great bear constellation and most others..Pegasus and Orion were about the only ones that used the Greek mythological stories in Astronomy class. My Humanities classes used the Greek myths exclusively.
I live on the beautiful and mystical Atherton and Evelyn Tablelands in FNQ Australia - which is Yidinji ancestral lands, just outside of the town Yungaburra there is a set of "volcanic pimples" which are called "The Seven Sisters" (there are actually 10 of them) they have a story about 7 sisters being persued by a bad man - I can't remember if the story was that they turned into the hills, or he turned them into the hills, it's been decades since I was told the story.
@@lifeoflycan2037 yes, it's very beautiful up here, we are rather spoiled when you look at most of the rest of the country - your grandmother must have ended up in Yarrabah then ? We recently found out through DNA testing that my Granny had an older sister that was stolen generation - we also found out that my Granny's father was a fugitive criminal/missing person = my uncle entering his DNA into the database solved a 90 year old case that never would have been solved without DNA technology. After abandoning his first wife and 2 sons to go on the run - because he didn't want to go back to jail he had a relationship with an aboriginal lady called Thora in Normanton, she and their daughter Nora were taken to that island where all those riots happened - then he married my Granny's mother and had 9 children with her, and cheated on her and had at least 4 or 5 kids with other women.... And all round prick, but we've found out about this whole diabolical criminal bloodline - it's been pretty epic finding all this stuff out.
@@tuathadesidhe1530 Wow, that's one hell of a story. My great grandmother ended up in Toowoomba being Raised by Italians. She went on to have 8 kids with a Scottish man straight off the boat, he then had all of their kids put in a home and went on to have another 8 kids with someone else. She fought hard for years to get her kids back, and she got them. She was an amazing lady, I'm truly honoured to have known her.
@@lifeoflycan2037 Wow! Both you and @Tuatha de Dishes have some stories! For me, here in the US, I thought that my ancestors had managed to dodge being involved in slavery (and also being English 😸). However, I was recently disabused of these notions. I found out that not only did I have native and immigrant ancestors dating to the early 1600's Virginia, a Pamunkey woman of high status marrying an Englishman. But that they indeed had land and slaves. In her will, she only names one by first name, all of them she bequeaths to different relatives.(!) So, not only do I have a connection, but it's pretty much out of the gate, right when it started. Now, I'm trying to wrap my mind around all these people who were/are likely distant relatives in some fashion.
My great great grandfather was the only surviver of the butcher creek massacre on the tablelands his mother hid him in a hollowed out tree and a police officer took him to cashmere station to be a slave and my grandfathers grandmother was taken from yungaburra and taken to Yarrabah and when she was pregnant she was forced to walk back up to yungaburra to work where she gave birth to my grandads mother.
Have you considered that the "lost Pleiad" might in fact have been a supergiant star which was formed at the same time as the other Pleiads, but novad (or supernovad) early in mankind's history. This would explain both a lost star and why is it presently undetectable. Is there a reliable way to determine if the 20-70 kya remains of a (super)nova are hidden inside that nebula?
Woke up feeling anxious.. needed a little story.. mind you this is my 10th time listening to this particular story .. I realized you don’t get credit as we come back for the healing aspect of your channel.. wanted to take a moment and offer gratitude.. gratitude for this medicine and the way you offer it to us.🙌
This was fascinating. TH-camr Parallax Nick has covered some similar topics. In his video on Sirius, he notes that ancient cultures across the world have associated this star with dogs, and suggests similarly that this could possibly indicate that the association pre-dates humans' dispersal out of Africa
It's a really fascinating idea, and I'd love to think these stories of the 7 Sisters and Orion are all deeply related! Just like the Cosmic Hunt apparently is, as you said. I have to set aside that deeply held wish for skepticism, but a part of me still wants to think the very basis of the stories came from back before we began to disperse from the cradle. That part will hang onto that wish, methinks! I love these stories you tell us, and how deeply you delve into the facts involved! Thank you for what you do!
@@Crecganford I have been interested in mythology since childhood and especially the similarities. Especially Japanese mythology in which the long night also appears. And I also distinguish between one God and more gods mythologies.
The Pleiades are collectively known in India as Krittika, the brave wise 7 sisters who were the wives of the seven extremely revered scholars named the ‘Sapta Rishis’ or ‘Seven Sages’. These women were kind, powerful and pious who protected and foster cared for a warrior god named Kartikeya (the first son of Shiva), The warrior story has come about probably due to the constellation's shape as an axe or a sharp blade. In Indian astrology, if a person's birth time star arrangement falls in this constellation then it is said that he or she is likely to adopt a child. 😊 As for the group fo six stars in one place, and one star that is separated from the rest, the story goes that one of the sisters was infatuated by the god of Fire (called Agni), so much that she ditched her own husband and allowed herself to be burnt and consumed by Agni's heat. But she was immortal so she couldnt really die, hence as a penance she was casted away from the rest of the group . But Lord Brahma (the creator of the world) told her she is still immortal and due to her dedication to god Agni she will be associated with fire god forever. Her name was "Swaha". You will still see in the modern world that when Hindus perform religious fire rituals (Yagnya) they clal her name "Swaha" when they make offerings to the ritualistic fire. As for more popular use of that name in Indian culture, when Indians esp Hindus have to sarcastically describe something that is gone for good and cannot be recovered, they say "It's swaha!" 😊
Thank you heaps. I was wondering about the Saptarishis and their link to the aboriginal people. Their wives was my missing piece. I also think Aboriginal people originated from somewhere in ancient India, possibly south, due to their distinctive physical appearance. Your insight into this is greatly appreciated.
@@ap2603 mostly likely either Australian natives get this belief tens of thousands years ago when they migrated or it's recent phenomenon when around 4600 years ago many peoples from Indian subcontinent somehow manage to migrate their again.
@kumarashura6621 That's correct. Misinformation has been passed down from generation to generation. However, the truth or more so the "works" of the saptarishis/shiva is manifesting itself like none other, especially in the last few years. Despite all the bad things happening, it's a great time to be alive.
This is why the burning of the Library of Alexandria was such a monumental tragedy. So much ancient history destroyed, perhaps including the original writings of the seven stars.
Divide the world's Circumference by six and get 6,666. Divide the number of seconds in a day by 400 and get 216, 2160 is the length of an astrological age. The Moon is 400 times smaller than the sun, which is 864,000 miles wide, just like there are 86,400 seconds in a day. The planet orbits the Sun at 108,000 km/hr or 66,600 miles an hour. If we divide the angled side of the Pyramid (186.6 x 100 = 18,660) by 21.6 we get 863.8, plus .2 is 864. The base of the Pyramid minus the height is also Pi times 100, and Al Nitak follows Sirius past the King's Chamber in 100 minutes. If we divide the height by Euler's number we get the square root of Pi, times 2 is 354, the number of days in 12 lunar months. If we divide the diameter of the Sun by 6 we get 144,000 The hands of our 24 hr clock go around 60 times 60 times 10, which is 36,000, the number of Arc degrees in one second times 10, which means each second is one 360th of a circle, times 100. This shows that the Star of David was used as a kind of calculator to devise time and do complex equations using a hexadecimal system. The Egyptian number of perfection is 100, we divide 400 by 100 to get 4, we divide 600 by 100 we get 6. 4/6 is equal to 2/3 and 3/9, all of which have a ratio of 66.666666666, by which they can divide the Horizon down to seconds, and thus navigate the globe knowing both its dimensions and be able to make accurate maps. 86,400 ÷ 400 is 216 216 x 2 is 432 432 + 216 is 684 432 x 2 is 864 So rather than divide 864,000 by 2160, they divide 86,400 by 216, which is 400, rather than 40,000. This means a Megalithic Clock would go around 40 times, with each second broken down into tenths. 6 times 6 times 10; 3600. 400 ÷ 6 is 66.66666 These numbers all divide into each other. Half of 216 is 108, just as the Earth orbits the Sun at 108,000 km/hr. The interior angles of a regular Pentagon are also 108, and the interior angles of a Star of David add up to 1,440, times 100 is 144,000. Half of 108 is 54. It takes 360 Full Moons to span the night sky Horizon to Horizon, 720 total, 72 times 3 is 216. 6 x 6 x 6 x 4 = 864 Which means a full moon is equivalent to 300 seconds, or 5 minutes, meaning 2 Full moons per 10 minutes. This means seconds represent tenths of the Moon, a Minute (6 times 10 times 10) being 2 Full Moons or 1 degree of arc. Multiply the Moon's diameter by 18.6, the number of years in a Metonic Cyle, and get 40,175, the diameter of the Earth plus 100. 40,000 times 100 is 4,000,000, the Earth's circumference in meters. Multiply 18.6 by 2150 (actual diameter of the Moon) and you get 39,990, just 10 km short. This means they measured the Earth with the Orbit of the Moon, and based their metrics off of the Full Moon, cubing and squaring it to find the relationships between the heavenly bodies. Half of the Pyramid's base equals one 86,400th of the Earth's Circumference. Divide the Base by the height and get Pi. The height of the Great Pyramid times 43200 equals the Polar Circumference of the Earth. Also the Circumference of the Base of the Great Pyramid times 43200 equals the Equatorial Circumference of the Earth. An equilateral Triangle formed within the face of the Great Pyramid is 6,666 inches along each side, it represents one half of the Star of David, 720 degrees, as above so below, so we double it, 1440 ÷ 6 is 240, the number of hours on a clock times ten. 24 being 6 x 4, combining both ratios of of Sun and Moon, hence Solomon. The Pyramid itself is Squaring the Circle, by reducing the proportions of the cosmos to squares and roots based on Phi and Pi and Euler's number as a ratio to feet, and the Star of David is what allows them to do it, like a proto Antikythera mechanism. I can't say if they went to hundredths of a second, because I'm not even that much of a mathematician (magician) but they definitely did tenths, and it equates to the same nautical metrics we use today. Enoch also buries 36,525 scrolls, the number of days in a year, times 100. Oh by the way, this shows that our current measure of time is based on the principle of 1/6, the basis of an Egyptian Royal Cubit, but first they built the first ring at Stonehenge, which is 100 metres (330 ft) wide, with an area of 2160 square feet, a Cube's interior angles also add up to.. 2160 This produces a Calendar of 60 6 day weeks plus five. Every 4th year a 366th day makes exactly 61 weeks. This means every 216 years this calendar produces 1 extra day, so after 648 years 3 days must be removed. This is when the Phoenix arrived, and stepped onto the Alter of Ra or Holy Grail, completing the Metonic cycle and bringing the Calendar back into sync with the first New Moon of the Spring equinox. The Capstone of the Pyramid is even called the Benben Stone, the Egyptian Phoenix is called the Bennu. It likely relates to Deneb, in Ophiuchus, the 13th Starsign of the Zodiac. The base of the Pyramid is exactly 13 Acres, as is Teotihuacan, because they share the exact same base dimensions. Such a location would be ideal for calculating the speed of light using the transit of Venus. Incidentally the Great Pyramid's Latitudinal coordinates are the speed of light. 1440 ÷ 108 = 13.333333 11 and 3 are the most sacred Celtic numbers of royalty, and also happen to be the proportions of the Earth to the Moon, and the Great Pyramid. The starsigns also precess 1 degree every 72 years 72 x 3 is 216 2160 ÷ 648 is 3.3333333 The Aztec Calendar also begins with a double transit of Venus, in 3116BC. This whole code can be encoded into a single Pythagorean Triangle of Dimensions 666 by 630, by 216, this is the Key of Solomon, 33 is the inverse of 66. 100 is the "perfect number" because it represents 10 6 unit metrics times 10 6 unit metrics, a unit being 6.66 ie 60 x 60 (3600) the number of Arcdegree seconds in a second, or a one second unit on a clock the size of Earth This means seconds represent 10ths of the Moon; 216, or 6 x 6 x 6 (100 ÷ 6 ÷ 6 = 2.7): Euler's number, and the number of feet to a Megalithic Yard, 3/11 is .27 and the number of days in a sidereal month is also 27. 11/3 is 3.66, the number of days in a Canicular leap year, the character of Thoth, Cuchulainn, and Kukulkan, the Dog Star, and star by which the Sothic (Seth) Calendar is determined. Thoth was the Son of Seth, who is portrayed as a Serpent. 3 x 11 is 33, the years in a Great Solar Return. As the Sun and Moon inhabit respective house of the Zodiac they animate the character within, playing out the dramas and battles we know as myths, for example the Moon traveling through each of the Zodiac houses each month, for a grand total of... 144 (12 x 12) Metatron/Enoch/Echnaton/Arkenaten's Cube is 13 circles in a Star of David: 13 x 360 is 4680 4680 ÷ 216 is 21.666.. 4680 is an inversion of 8640, or 6840, just as Trump owes China a Billion dollars ($1,000,000,000) For 1290 Avenue of the Americas. And has a tax haven at 1209 North Orange St Delaware, and was elected in 2016. 2016 + 144 is 2160 His Penthouse was built on the 66th floor of 666ft Trump Tower, his best friend Epstein "died" aged 66.6 years old. The Great Pyramid is the Tower of Babel, built for Pharoah so he could meet the God of Moses. Babel is the old name for Cairo, and also means English. Anglo comes from Ankh, which means to bend, or Angle. Iberia and Hebrew have the same root, meaning Over, as in over seas, as in the Phoenicians, Celts, and Iberians that ruled the Maritime world, the Sea Peoples. Israel is the Phoenician word for Saturn, or El, Fruit of Isis and Ra. It's in the name. Just like Tyre means Rock, and sat just offshore from Urshu Shalom, City of the New Moon, the root word of Jerusalem. Tyre was also the primary center of (Free) Masonry in the Bronze Age, the only comparable site is Thebes in Egypt.
Cregan I really loved the well rounded academic approach. Thank you for the wholistic and accountable representation of a beautiful and timeless story. An easy like and subscribe :)
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I grew up with the Cherokee & Iroquois 7 sister stories. I knew of the Russian, Chinese, Greek & several others stories about this grouping of stars. Isn't it amazing how one group of stars is so important world wide to all our ancestors. Especially when there was no light pollution, thus we could see eons more stars. Now add the "We came from the stars" stories also told world wide, add religious texts like the bible, that angels slept with human women... Add the missing link & the speculation some event jumped humans into our present form. Definably a thing to ponder, long, many hours, days of pondering.
Hi. The bible is a mix of stories from around the world, which were a bit reshaped. Its not useful to anyone. So many say that what was done în the name of God was just unrelated with what the bibl has to say. But if you look closely at it , it only instills fear , hatred and separation. Oh...its full of lies. The apocalipse for one thing is the viking myth Ragnarok twisted around. Angels în this case might literally mean aliens. Many believe that there are similar looking species out there and native tribes în America admit having regular contact with them. There are many stories around the world about gods that mingled with our women. But those gods mightve been aliens with some powerful tools that made it seem like they were gods. Anywho, I suggest not taking Bible seriously at all. Look around at " ancient cultures rather than the bible. I know its false, I just know it. It brought me much suffering and it has done the same all around the world.
This reminded me I graduated and my gpa made me the one to have to give the speech. I did t want to give a speech. But they basically told me I had to use the word ponder. Lol I’m like what. Why. But thanks for reminding me and I agree. !! Can’t see the sky at all.
This is my first view of this channel, and I just subscribed, If your other vids are 1/10 as good as this one, I'll be very happy. I was surprised that there was no mention of Atlantis (I'm not a kook.). It was, after all, a tale of seven islands of Atlas where at least one sinks, paralleling both the losing of definition between the stars Pleione and Atlas and possibly the concept of one of the sisters melting from the heat of the hunter. I'll see if you mention it in other previous videos.
Thank you. There is a good variety of material on here, and I try and read all the comments, and so feel free to make suggestions or ask questions, and I will try my best to answer them.
@𓆏 I don't think that's out of the realm of possibility. The way populations traveled, news about other types of people was likely shared around campfires, as well as explanations about why they were different. As an example, I believe that Homo floresiensis was around when other groups were moving across the region (50kya +/-). In addition, our modern genetics for most populations show neanderthal and denisovan DNA, as well as others in some cases. It's so wrong to think about how long ago people we could identify with were living across the continents. Puts the last 500yrs in perspective.
Its a nice idea but the idea that specific stories spread from that far back through the entire world even with isolated/disconnected populations and assigning the differences to telephone over the ages is as ridiculous as ancient alien theories that everything was told by aliens Its much more likely that it was generic things every culture experiences getting locally created with that culture’s flavor added too it along with natural cultural spreading and older bits surviving in some cultures but not all TLDR: its much more likely each culture assigned their own magic to stuff like stars than every single story being the same that just got telephoned with age assuming they aren’t actually based in bits of truth lel
Great video once again. You mentioned an interesting and helpful description/epistemology of mythology as it being concerned with the phylogeny of ideas, so I'm wondering, in terms of calculating how old generalised myths are, do you have ways of estimating rates of change in ideas? For example looking at population sizes, migration sizes. Perhaps mythology is still to new a social science.
A great question, and it is a statistical model based on a number of inputs, known dispersal routes, often established through DNA, coupled with motif analysis. We group motifs into various groups, and have applied them to "tradditions" which you could think of as cultures, but also include geographic location and language. And combining all this together gives us the numbers. Obviously, with technology and DNA analysis advancing significantly in recent years, this is now becoming more scientific as opposed to just an academic estimate.
@@Crecganford I see, so interesting and like you say the advance in DNA analysis has made mythology so exciting! Easy to see why you find it fascinating. Can you recommend any good books for motif analysis please? You recommended Bruce Lincoln before (which I have bought and yet to read because im doing a media and comms ug degree keeping busy) but maybe that was generally a good book to get started on and not so in depth about motif analysis?
Modern man doesn't realize, since they live under a roof most of their lives, that the night sky was what people looked at all their lives every night it wasn't raining or too cold. One may regard it as the giant chalkboard above, or the giant TV above. Especially before civilized life in town and cities most every person lay down at night and looked up there maybe for hours. Not a reach to think that a movement, or dimming of a star would be noticed by almost all mankind. As they would be very very familiar with the stars and would spot a difference. Just as an old time fisherman who used landmarks to guide where he fished would notice if the tree that leaned out onto the beach, one of his landmarks was gone.
nice... it's also good to sleep outside when all the stars are out and clear. i was taught or somehow remember that sleeping under the stars without anything (like a roof or tent, i.e, e.t.c) over and between us, allows for the stars to calibrate our minds. the stars can align our minds to work and choose appropriately... kinda like ... well, a recalibration by the stars...
The Prometheus saga has its equivalents in so many ancient traditions all over the place. I personally believe that Orion represents that Prometheus figure as well. Fire in one hand, chained to the side of a mountain, with a crow pecking at his liver every night. I believe that all of our main mythological motifs are a combination of astrological vistas and suitable moralistic teachings
Hi, maybe you like Gigi Young with het podcasts on aliens seeding life on earth. Idk- for me she representant a fascinating different version about the coming to be of us mortals Here on earth
I have lived in remote Australia with First Nations people for 26 years. These stories are so familiar as are others,that it almost certainly means that the stories have deep histories that predate the travel out from Africa and thus have a common history. First Nations Australians had contact with others from outside this continent way before Cook especially those in the west and north.
David, I too am Australian, but with no experience with 1st Nation People. People before Cook would Include Dutchies and a pom or two at the cape. AND maccassions, (4 or5 thousand years ago?) Are you aware of others ? The great antiquity suggested here loses me.
@@neddyladdy the history of first persons is thought to be over 70,000 years nowadays. There are stories of the seas rising after the last ice age only about 25,000 years ago. They’ve cross checked stories, songs etc with seabed cores and proven they’re accurate. Yes Europeans collided with the west coast and SE Asians with the northern coast. There are petroglyphs on the Burrup peninsula which show ships and what have interpreted as ‘Chinese’ costumes. We know of the extensive trade routes within Australia, there’s no reason the trade routes wouldn’t exist with seafarers along the coastal regions. The similarity of the stories seem to indicate some common ancestry and if the ‘7 sisters’ came out of Africa then people could’ve seen them as 7 sisters that long ago.
@David Lodge seven sisters may just be the 7 continent's .... Myths are closer to the truth than many can comprehend. Must break down the ori jinn of the words....meanings
Oh wow, in Indonesia we have this other version. The man is called Jaka Tarub and yes he's a hunter, and one day he met the 7 angels in the woods, but in this story, the difference is one of the angels cannot run because the hunter stole her wings. The 6 others just left her to save themselves, and they fly to the heavens.
@@kirstencorby8465 It's an old story. I'm Indonesian, and I too heard it when I was a kid. If my memory serves me right, they finally got married. While lost her ability to fly, the wife still retains some kind of supernatural power to help with their daily lives. Later on, the wife found her stolen shawl (her means to fly) and left her human husband to return to the sky.
While listening to this, the origin of the stories became clear to me. The Lyrians were actually attacked and run out of their galaxy and scattered to other galaxies. A group took up residence in the Pleiadian star system (as viewed from here on earth). This group has been very involved in the seeding of life on earth and, in our time, with the preparation for the “new age” that earth is transitioning into at this moment. The group who intrusively scattered the Lyrians are known to inhabit the Orion system, hence the versions of the history you describe early in this fascinating video. Your research is a great testament to that children’s game of “telephone!” The covering of the body with early frost, would be the wisdom (revived by Wim Hof) that temperature tolerance keeps the body alkaline, and resistant to illness! Great wisdom taught along with the prehistoric memories…
I have listened to this several times, it’s amazing how it’s a story from almost the beginning of time, I’m in my 70,s now & with my experience of life……Pleione (the seventh sister) was the family scapegoat so she backed away from her sisters
Considering the mnemonic process used in First Nation Australian song lines it's quite plausible to conceive a transmission of sky lore over that expanse of 100,000 years.
The problem is, although even a child can spot the three stars in a row, that child needs to be told that it's a belt on a hunter, or else she will come up with some other configuration entirely. I didn't see it that way at all as a kid. I saw the three stars as a crown, the supposed sword that others have since pointed out to me as a king's beard, and the overall image (ignoring half of Orion and adding on a bunch of other stars to the left) as a lounging king, leaning on one elbow, and pointing with the other arm towards a very bright star. So I would argue that if many different cultures see the same belted man running in the opposite direction of my lounging king constellation's pointing, they most probably have all been passing down the same story and reinforcing the image of Orion rather than my lazy king.
În Lakota star knowledge, David Little Elk says that people have been around wayyyy longer than we think and that ancestors were around even when Pangea was a continent. His ancestors hâd stories from back then, they knew things not even scientists today know about Earth, stars and more. So, way back, people could mingle more. So, they had the similar stories, and some în time changed them to harmonize with their way of life. Yes, there are many things scientists dont even share with us, they tell lies based on what their bosses say. Who pays for the studies? Well, government.. Anywho, în the begining we all hâd the same colour skin and after the breakup of continents, în time, our bodies changed, and so did our cultures and way of living. But we are one nation, one specie and we are amongst the worst species. We can be amazing but we keep chosing useless stuff. Sorry for the long comment. I wish you and everyone else all the best.
Wonderful video. The dream timers are very interesting to me because their culture is older than most others. When you speak of the ancient Greeks and most other European cultures, you are speaking of a couple of millennium. When you are speaking of the Australian aboriginals, as you said, you are speaking of 70,000 years ago. That is many millennia before the ancient Greeks and other Europeans. The fact that they spoke of the same star system so many years earlier is an amazing thing. The true ancients are so much more interesting than those who arrived at the same information many millennia later. I have read that the sky looked entirely different to ancient man than it does to us today. That is very interesting. Thank you for this video. Well researched and very informative. I haven't seen anyone else explain this in depth as you have done. Of course I pushed the like and subscribe buttons.
the asterism of the Pleiades is quite unique, in how it appears on the sky. their proximity and colour means they're one of the few groups of naked eye stars that are obviously closely associated, and separate from others. its no surprise that there is a rich seam of mythology surrounding them.
@@demonmonsterdave in reference to this? Absolutely. Are you implying they just made up a position rather than referencing SUPER easily accessible astronomy data? You're being silly
Again a very interesting video Jon! And indeed, in some cultures Orion and the Pleiades do not follow the 7 sisters motive, but that of the Cosmic Hunt, instead of Ursa Major. But then again, the one does not necessairly rule out the other. 😉
How is it that I have never seen your excellent work before?? If I weren't ancient and penniless, I'd subscribe twice!! On the other hand, I'm ancient enough to actually remember near-dark skies. And OH! I mourn their loss...
It makes us arrogant, makes us think we're the biggest thing in the universe and can do whatever the hell we want to the earth. Pre-Neolithic shamanic societies had a transactional view of life wherein any fauna killed had to be paid back in kind, the same with the trees themselves. Of course, there are other reasons for humanities recent vices but I'd be curious to live in a world where the milky way was constantly visible and see how that changed things.
@@archaeorobbo while they might not have had our problems 1:1 I am sure they had their own set of problems, and probably also a lot that are the same today (an aeon old story of a sexual predator is quite telling). The past is too easily romanticized.
Just a note from an Aboriginal Australian - we call these cultural beliefs ‘the Dreaming’ not ‘the Dreamtime’, as to many of us this is not mythology or history - it is current. ☺️ The Dreaming encompasses beliefs of hundreds of Aboriginal groups who are all diverse in their dreaming stories and traditions.
Thank you for sharing that.
Hope you also use it to ask questions and find your earned dignity again and don't be fooled by illusions and politics - which some are very good at fooling others with.
@Mel M thank you. How beautiful your traditions have survived through so many generations. Blessings for them to continue for many, many more
Nothing but respect from 'up -above' (The Netherlands) to you all. May the Dreaming continue for millennia to come. Blessi þíg!
@@annerantzau5767 shhhhh
When I was 7 to 10 years old, my mother who did not finish highschool. Told me the story of the Seventh Sisters and she also said to me they were call the Seventh little Goats, Las siete Cabritas... and that those were 7 stars that were always together. I am from Costa Rica... Now I am 31 and I am in complete odd that somehow a story that is thousands of years old found an organic mother to son way to get to my ears...
How could that story move in a time previous to the internet trough so many people and finally get to my ears as a kid that sends chill trough my back!! I will now also tell this story, because for some reason if refuses to die!
Thank you Jhon once again for this channel!
Thank you for sharing the story of your mother woth us!
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@@gerardovenegas4610 snow white and the 7 dwarves
@@michellespeight5972 said she didn't finish high school, highly unlikely she read any of this.
I love this guy's cadence and rhythm it ebbs and flows is fluid then stops suddenly, i love listening to this!
Thank you for your kind words.
This is one of the best compare and contrast videos I've seen about the Greek and Aboriginal Pleiades myth stories. It's so refreshng to see someone actually study and present the information in a genuine format instead of conspiracy theorist clickbait vids that are usually associated with things like these. Thank you for compiling a great video - you have a new Follower :)
Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment. It is appreciated.
The first time I heard of the pleiades was when I was a young child. My mother told me that the constellation was used to determine the worth of a hunter by counting the stars, if one could see all seven they would become a great hunter
Wow like an eye exam!
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This same story is of our people in Canada as well. Anishinaabe, Ojibwe, Algonquin peoples. Awesome, thank you for putting this together!
The Thunder Bird legend is also spoken of in a region of Australia.
In Korea they are 7 swans: Hyundai symbol
Ojibwe! i never hear about it every one always says cherokee or some other.
There's nothing similar about the Canadian Indian to the Australian Aborigines were talking about a hundred thousand years of evolution between the two groups.
@@James-kv6kb I will agree to disagree with you on this conclusion that you have made
There is a similar story in Norwegian mythology. The seven sisters of the troll king were chased by a hunter as well. The hunter shot an arrow after them. Another figure threw his hat in the way of arrow, saving the sisters. The hat fell and turned into the mountain, Torghatten. It has a hole in the middle of it. (Found along the coast of Helgeland, close to Brønnøysund). The sisters unfortuneately did not make it home before sunrise, and turned to stone. ‘The seven sisters’ just south of Sandnessjøen.
That someone came up with these cuz they saw mountains, what a creativity
I visited Norway last summer. Y’all have a strange fascination with trolls
@@jgamer2228 Their trolls aren't anything like the trolls most people think of.
@@erikseavey9445 lol
Veldig interessant. 🇳🇴 🙃 Takk.
I was told a story about the 7 sisters. According to the lady there was 7 sisters and a brother, they created humanity. It's a Native American story, she said her spirit guide was white Buffalo calf woman. She told me in the beginning mankind was given the power to move mountains with words. She told me all sorts of things. She told me we abused our powers and they were taken away. She said our universal language was taken Away and replaced with different languages for each civilization. She said once the world learns how to be nice to each other we will get our original language back and our powers. Also the main difference is, she told me the 7 sisters and one brother came from the star in the middle. They were not turned into stars. They came from them, they live on the middle star. She said that's where we'll go when the world finds peace.
This is such an inspiring story, and encouraging. It's similar to what I've heard also. I'm part native American, and also a Taurus and hare (Chinese sign) kind of silly, I know. But I've always related to this story. It is a beautiful incentive to motivate people to strive towards peace 🕊️ 😊❤
Do you have any idea which tribe is using this tale? Actually, most major world religions share ideas on these themes. I, too, thank you for sharing this ❤.
This reminds me greatly of the Tower of Babel. However, in that case, the people were united in trying to surpass their god and usurp his throne. God punished us by confusing our tongues.
I don't know any more than this really.
Casper Wyoming is where you need to be if you're looking for the answers. I really can't explain it without sounding like a lunatic. But I watched a very eccentric roaming woman make it literally snow dime sized snowflakes. She told me some wild things. I didn't believe her. Then she started doing things with her hands waving them in the air. It seemed like nonsense.. then thebiggest snowflakes I've ever seen in my life started falling all around. It only lasted for 5 minutes. There was no snow before. None after. Not that day. It was the wildest 2 years of my life. 11 It's the place where wander meets water.. I don't exactly know what it is. But I know that.
It has something to do with Casper Mountain. It is truly a magical place.
In Finnish mythology, which is sadly long forgotten and fragmented, the goddess of air and heavens has a bird land on her knee, and that bird laid 7 eggs, six of gold and one of iron, and once the eggs fell, their broken shells created the sky. Kind of fun to think about.
I often have thought about that issue. It saddens me that we do not know a great deal more than we do about Norse mythology! Same goes for Roman paganism and many others. I'm all for Christianity or whatever, but they most certainly went out of their way to try to wipe out all knowledge of what was before. Just like when ISIS was destroying all of the ancient Sumerian ruins in Iraq. ugh Or, the destruction of so many places in South America by the Catholic patrons of the Conquistadors. What a loss for the human race! ugh! In that case, some of these peoples' temples were aligned to track the procession of the equinox!!! A cycle that takes 25,700 years!!! Like, how the heck did they figure that out and be able to track something that takes such a long time to occur!?!?! I personally do not think it is aliens at all. I think we, humans, have been advanced to a certain degree in the distant past. That something terrible happened here. And that some of these ruins are all that is left to tell the story. Each one lost makes answering the questions of our history harder to answer. As far as Norse mythology goes, even what we do know suggests a long time period and has many odd similarities with other very ancient beliefs. Something I dought very highly is a coincidence.
Thank you for sharing that. I enjoyed reading your response
Oh that’s cool. Never heard any Finnish mythology.
I think that counts as a celtic legend
Ancient people were on crack 😂
I think the fact that so many cultures refer to them as seven even though only six have been visible for 70,000 years is by far the most compelling evidence of a common origin. If the oral tradition was broken somehow, those stars would have lost their names, and been renamed something in line with the number now visible (IE "The Six Sisters"). The fact that all of these cultures knew there were 7 tens of thousands of years ago proves that they retain oral tradition from that long ago, when they shared a common location.
Nah it just spread around the world over the last thousands of years
Actually, no, 100 000 years ago homo sapiens mostly lived in Africa so that place might have just been Africa and told to children for the last thousands of years since the tribal ages.
oral tradition is highly effective and oddly underestimated, we all tell our stories many times even today, it's practically an instinctual habit for us to repeat important information, and we love telling people things they don't know, which is the best way for us to remember exactly how it was said.
@@dordlyWell said!
Or, it could be evidence of crude telescopes made using natural glass lenses earlier than galileo. Humans had to have noticed certain clear rocks can magnify things under them. Its not a stretch to think they may try looking through them at night. Humans arent stupid.
Nah, there is roughly 20% less stars visible now, than there were 10,000 years ago.
I was told a story about the 7 sisters when I was a kid, by an old creole man in south Louisiana. I wish I could remember the details but I wasn't even ten back then. He told me s bunch of wild stories about stars and trees and stuff. I always thought he was just making them up because they were so different than anything I've heard before. I wish I could get in touch with him and ask about it, but last I heard he's off grid somewhere in the woods of Mississippi lol
Sounds like a Hoodoo man..
@@ComptonWar more native American as far as his belief. But the dude was wild so I wouldn't put anything past him
It is absolutely fascinating that two of the oldest stories on earth are based around the same two constellations
Actually a person who shares those two signs, after all, we are not just the Sun sign, but the moon sign at the same time, so a Gemini is also a Capricorn
Cap as in Capstone of a Pyramid
Where the Phoenix lands upon the altar of Ra
I think that's part of the evidence that they come from the same source
Both cultures have many stories about many constellations though?
@@TheVindicitive more than two cultures were used as source evidence across the world
@dhesyca4471 I only mentioned 2 because they only mentioned 2, what I said still stands for any of these stories.
There's a very similar story with many variation in the various North American First Nations. One goes like this: One day, seven little girls were playing at a distance from the village and were chased by some bears. The girls ran toward the village and the bears were just about to catch them when the girls jumped on a low rock, about three feet high. One of the girls prayed to the rock, "Rock take pity on us, rock save us!" The rock heard them and began to grow upwards, pushing the girls higher and higher. When the bears jumped to reach the girls, they scratched the rock, broke their claws, and fell on the ground.
The rock rose higher and higher, the bears still jumped at the girls until they were pushed up into the sky, where they now are, seven little stars in a group (The Pleiades). In the winter, in the middle of the night, the seven stars are right over this high rock. When the people came to look, they found the bears' claws, turned to stone, all around the base.
That rock is now what we call the "devils' tower" in Wyoming.
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This is the story i heard.
I don't think even academics realise just how dark the night was on this planet in the ancient times. Just going from a city to a suburb to a very rural area changes what you see in the sky. I flew to AK the flight stopped in MT the sky at night was enormous compared to St Louis. It happens I was at a small northern airport with no big city just a small suburb. When I arrived at Ladd Army Airfield in Ft Wainwright that night I could see the milky way and stars I didn't know you could see, and that was with Fairbanks a small town just a mile or two away.
So what it must have been like standing at night with the only light being a dying campfire or little first time torch or perhaps nothing and no light anywhere on the whole planet interrupting the night sky. Our people must have set for hours in awe just mesmerized by the sight.
I assure you, academics know very well how dark it is without light pollution. That's why astronomic observatories are located in very remote places with as little light pollution as possible.
Maybe I misunderstand the English language but when you're at a remote place the sky is brighter at night not darker. If there are no clouds you don't need any other light source than the stars to follow a path for example. And if there's a full moon it's as bright as in the day but less colors.
I'm blue eyed and blue eyes have better night vision and I don't know how brown eyed experience a star lit night sky but this is how it is for me.
@@chrissibersky4617 He's saying that the 𝘯𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵 is darker sir.
What an awesome point - put so eloquently!
@@chrissibersky4617 Iam brown eye and use an filter, live in 8 skies.
It’s fascinating that the seven star name of this cluster outlived such a slow disappearance. You can imagine a more recent point, maybe in the Mesolithic, when people began missing the seventh star, only to have another person in their group squint and point out that you could just about see seven - and there follows the mythologisation of why the seventh is disappearing - hiding from the hunter, hiding in shame, caught by an earthly parent etc.
And it happens less and less often, but perhaps this transitional time allows the idea of the seventh star disappearing to take hold before someone can say, “you’re right, there’s clearly only six up there”.
Damn good point.
Theres actually a street I know that's called the 'seven sister street' at Hong Kong! I've always felt like there's a story behind it but never knew what exactly it is. Thank you for your lovely explanation!
This an exciting compilation of different stories across the globe and as a small token of my appreciation of this beautiful work done by you. I would love the make a contribution to this story with an Indian (Hindu) version of the story.
According to the epic Mahabharata, the stars of the Big Dipper were the seven sages called Rishis. These seven sages are said to be those who made the Sun rise and shine. They were happily married to seven sisters named Krttika. They originally all lived together in the northern sky.
But one day, the god of fire, Agni, emerged from the flames of an offering performed by the seven Rishis and fell in love with the seven Krttika. Trying to forget his hopeless love for the Krttika, Agni wandered in the forest where he met Svaha. To conquer Agni’s love, Svaha disguised herself as six of the seven Krttika. Svaha could mimic only six of the Krttika because the seventh sister Arundhati was too devoted to her husband to be imitated.
After a while, Svaha gave birth to a child that she named Skanda. With his birth, rumors began to spread that six of the Rishis’ wives were his mother. Six of the Rishis divorced their wives. Arundhati was the only one that remained with her husband as the star Alcor. The other six Krttika went away to become the Pleiades.
Thank you for sharing your story, I enjoyed reading that.
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I don't follow Greek mythology or the Australian tribesman and so on, 12 minutes 49 seconds in and I am blown away, where has this channel been I'm starting to find really interesting stuff, nicely told this 👍
Thank you.
If I'm not mistaken, this is a native American story as well, except they are a mix of boys and girls from a small tribal village. There was nothing to do with a hunter, but the kids were doing a dance that was forbidden for them. They are taken up into the sky and turn into the 7 stars. Pretty amazing how these stories are told all over the world, even with the variations! Sorry I wrote this before I got to the part where you mention the story, briefly, LOL.
You're correct it's the Native American creation story of devils tower. Except where the hunter chasing them is a bear.
You’ve got that right. It was a legend of the mohawk people in southern Ontario. The children were punished for performing a sacred dance and honoring the creator because they have not been properly initiated yet.
Seven children or seven sisters from the star cluster where you can only see six with the naked eye. It would almost seem like our ancestors had greater technology than the modern paradigm gives them credit for. with that I’m gonna go outside and build some polygon or masonry walls for the new pyramid structure that we’re constructing. Oh wait never mind we don’t know how to do that yet lol
Also, Mato Tipila, Bear Lodge, Devil's Tower has connection to Pleiades...
There are several tribes who have this "sisters" myth... in various situations as creation of Pleiades
Lots of N.A. tribes have this 7 star motif, with a few even being young women fleeing something
3 things about this mind blowing analyses shook me:
1.We are all the same people, with the same cultural roots
2. potentially coming from unimaginable deep antiquity
3.keeping our ancestors beliefs and knowledge along the way! Although so much still got lost to Time!
Farther we learn about humanity deep past, more and more evidence we find that our ancestors were far from primitive and managed to accumulate incredible body of knowledge and skills!
Some of the archeological finds just can’t be explained through modern paradigm including Pleiades myths.
We shouldn’t discard another possible scenario that also doesn’t require 100kay scheme of tribes wandering around the Earth with the same story.
If some culture for example managed to rise above the tribal level due to stable climate or some incredible innovation(s) like agriculture or social hierarchy somewhere during the ice age it may have reached high level of development, that would allow them to go global, spreading their influence and alongside their intricate knowledge of the 7star-sisters.
And when they were doomed, their knowledge and stories stayed...
After all most of world myths talk about teachers or masters, who brought knowledge with them.I don’t think we should ignore such an important fact!
And that is why I love mythology, we're all the same deep down.
What if the reason for the similarities is not because of a common cultural origin, but a common psychological structure?
I think we can safely discard the Atlantis 'theory' lol
In India, there's a story about 7 sisters making a constellation. They were called Kritikas. They were daughter's of the creator Brahma. They are also mentioned in the story of origin of Shiva's child, Kartikeya.
They are not kritika.. they are 7 Saptarshi.. lord shiva give knowledge to this 7 sages and told them to build civilization on earth from this 7 sages entire earth humans originated
There is genetic evidence that Australian Indigenous descended from the Dravidian Indians. Maybe that's the link for these ancient stories.
Does the story say what happened to the lost star?
@@rpstoval2328 other way around
@@balrambandgar1096 also known as seven matrika or seven mothers
here in Aotearoa/New Zealand, Matariki became a national holiday this year (2022), recognizing the importance of this time to Maori - the indigenous people of Aotearoa. Matariki is the Māori name for the cluster of stars known to Western astronomers as the Pleiades. There are many legends about the star cluster Matariki; the most popular is that the star Matariki is the whaea (mother), surrounded by her six daughters. (some iwi/tribes have a mix of female & male sibling, some 7 stars, some 9). Matariki is/was an occasion to mourn the deceased, celebrate the present, and prepare the ground for the coming year
@Ксенія♡укр oh, so sorry for delay responding - been having technical difficulties
yes - absolutely - you are 100% correct - I'm very impressed - Matariki is absolutely like Maori New Year
these stars arise in June/July here - basically mid winter
Twinkling in the winter sky just before dawn, Matariki (the Pleiades) signals the Māori New Year.
For Māori, the appearance of Matariki heralds a time of remembrance, joy and peace. It is a time for communities to come together and celebrate.
"Traditionally, Matariki was a time to acknowledge the dead and to release their spirits to become stars.
It was also a time to reflect, to be thankful to the gods for the harvest, to feast and to share the bounty of the harvest with family and friends."
source - Te Ara - the Encyclopedia of Aotearoa / New Zealand
@Ксенія♡укр I completely, totally agree - becoming more attuned to natural cycles rather than just a date that feels like any other day (except for the many NYE hangovers the next days lol)
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Thank you
Any stories around Halloween? Please
This story actually reminds me of a folktale from Java, Indonesia about 7 sisters that came down from heaven to take a bath on a lake on earth. A man named Jaka Tarub noticed them and tried to take a peek. He also found out that the sisters aren't human and used shawl to fly so he stole one of them. The sisters then found out and immediately scrambled but one sister can not fly because she lost her own shawl. Jaka Tarub then emerged then pretended just arrived so he helped her. He allowed this sister to stay at his house and after a long time they became a husband and wife, even had a baby. The sister eventually found her shawl hidden inside rice silo and, took it and left her husband and child, and never came back. No mention about stars though.
Some versions actually suggested that Jaka Tarub were a hunter while others only state that he was just a handsome man that collected woods when he found the sisters.
Thank you for sharing that, I enjoy reading these.
@@Crecganford No problem. Love to see that there is story from my country that has some similarities to world stories. Hope we can find more in your next findings.
this Indonesian version is surprisingly similar to a version of the Cowherd and the Weaver girl and some similar Japanese folktales, which all has this Swan-Maiden-Tale plot.
this also strangely fits with the Sandmans' Calliope story.
not nearly as ancient, of coruse, but what a lovely interweaving - intentional or otherwise.
this has nothing to do with pleiades. this story has 7 apsaras, celestial dancers, not biological sisters.
These stories are so interesting. Human spirits have common origin and common experiences. Here in Nigeria the yuroba have story the same as Nordic people concerning the God of thunder,Known as Thor to northern people but known as Sango amongst the African yuroba people. Even the all father Odene has yuroba version called oduduwa. These personalities can be identified as the same because they all have the same chacteristic and the same roles in creations. Human spirit are united by common experiences represented differently by different cultures. Thank you for sharing your experience. All is One.
Thank you 🙏
@@zk1479 That is Yoruba people not Yuroba
There is also a story of seven sisters in China, which came from another older story that is one of the Four Great Folktales of China. The older story, the Cowherd and the Weaver Girl, can dates back to 700 BC, which was based on ancient astronomy, since the cowherd and the weaver girl are actually the two stars Altair and Vega. It tells about the young man persuing the girl who is the granddaughter of the heaven. Later it was mixed with the star worship of Chinese constellation of pleiades, and the weaver gril became seven sisters from heaven. To most people nowadays, these two are just two version of a same story, but some still see them as different, but the plots are mostly the same.
Thanks a lot for sharing, my mind is being blown reading all these comments sharing their cultural stories describing 1 shared phenomenon, just amazing.
@@ubayyd sorry your reply is a bit old but I had the same reaction. I began watching this and scrolling through the comments and texted a friend "the stars connect us." It's all so fascinating
A very similar story is told by the Lakota, the Kiowa and other first nations of North America, who link the Pleiades and/or the Big Dipper to the volcanic rock formation called by the Lakota 'Mato Tipila' (the house of the Bear) aka Devil's Tower, Wyoming.
It's amazing how prior to monotheism spreading like a plague from the middle east, pretty much everyone on the planet had a shared religion.
Wow, that could seemingly indicate a much earlier entry into North America than originally thought? Around the time of Out of Africa. The First Nations learned that story before they entered the Americas?
Kiowa call The Devils Tower “Tso’eye”. The tower represents a wood stump the Creator made giant to keep seven sisters from a bear scratching up the stump as it grew.
The girls became the Big Dipper stars. The bear is considered a brother for the Kiowa because he was warned to not mock the beast as it transformed him.
Life during Pleistocene and Holocene were creative times for Human mind. When the life-giving Sun dips at Dusk, and the Moon, Planets/Gods, Stars govern the night sky - it definitely "wow'd" our ancestors the World over every night, and they gave these bodies in the sky stories and personifications. Throw in a comet and alignments, and the stories become quite dramatic.
Pleiades has always been the constellation I was drawn to like magnetism since I was a child, appreciate this Crecganford.
Not "were" because Holocene is still going on, unless you think there is an ANTHROPOCENE...
Thank you
And it sits at 33 degrees on the Zodiac marking the Jewish/ Celtic New Year in September, 7th month of the Zodiac. Pleaides is synonymous with Isis, making Orion Osiris
Wait until the stars and comets come to say hello again.
If u only knew the truth smh
Crecgan, as an academic you're just straight-up impressive. As a presenter-storyteller, perfectly beguiling! And as a package, Crecganford is memorable. I remember your name. That's something. Keep at it, big man.
Ive been with you for several years, my friend. I am ready for this. I go back and watch your older videos at times. Not really keeping track of days, but nearly 4 months clean now;)
Dud it on my own, as i always new i would.
Thank you for everything and always being transparent
I think I should remake some of my old videos, the quality of my production is so poor… but I must also thank you for watching me on my journey, and staying! I hope your journey takes you to where you want to be.
As a beginning amateur astronomy-photographer, I also made some pictures of M45 Pleiades. The distinction between Pleione and Atlas is rather clear at those exposures, albeit that Pleione is less bright than Atlas and may therefore be less resolved to the naked eye, becoming a blur together with Atlas.
It is Alcyone, the brightest star in the Pleiades cluster, that "swallows" nearby stars, but my exposures show them resolved from one another. And I did not even have to look at telescope exposures for this. My latest photo of the Pleiades is from my Nikon DSLR camera on a tracking mount, using a standard 24-120mm zoom-lens. I made a series of 134 exposures in a row, each 30 seconds long. My goal was to see the blue nebulae around the stars, but this exposure series was not long enough, so I only got the stars, but well resolved from one another, as far as the optics allow for it.
Yes! I love these oldest story / motif in the world videos so much. You might just be my favorite TH-camr. Thanks again for doing this.
Thank you!
I've listened to this video twice and learn something new every time. Thank you for teaching me new thing!
I would really like to see more of this kind of presentation: very well thought out, not unrealistic as many are, interesting without being trite, and of academic quality. Thank you. Keep up the good work.
Thank you.
Well said. Outstanding presentation. Reasonable AND well-reasoned. And the response is deservedly robust. Just look at the comments. Shows how many people from around the world have enjoyed reading, sharing and remembering. Sir, you have done something special: you have awakened many viewers.
It's interesting because my tribe (Choctaw) has this story as well - which is actually the reason why I clicked on it. Because my tribe descends from the mound building civilization, my assumption is that other tribes that also descend from the mound builders might also have it (chickasaw, muskogee, houma, yuchi, hochunk, caddo, osage, etc). Tribes that aren't mound builders (such as the Cherokees) but are now adjacent to mound building descended tribes might also now hold this story too.... and the tribes we used to have dealings with back in the day precontact like the Mohawk and Six Nations. I'm not 100% on that tho, but that's my theory since we did share quite a bit in pre contact times AND the mound building cities were great sites of trade in goods, ceremony, and ideas. In addition to the story of the 7 sisters and the hunter, cosmologically, I believe the belief is also that you pass through either them or Orion's belt to journey on to the after life.
There has some similar beliefd about the pathways to Heaven, in some African religions. These beliefs must be pretty old, given that the earliest written records of such religious beliefs dates back to the Old Kingdom period of ancient Egypt, if not even since much earlier in the Pre-Dynastic period.
Cahokia was a HUGE metropolitan center. I’m sure we shared more than a few stories.
That’s super interesting! By any chance, does your tribe have any stories of giants?
Totally unrelated but i just notcied, I'm Cree, my friends and family would call Muskogee 'bad medicine' I know the Cree warred with plenty of other people. I wonder if we encountered natives from the USA and had a bad experience.
@@ptolemeeselenion1542 kemet was prior to egypt.
About a year and a half ago I did a school project on this! We were supposed to set up a stage for a hypothetical play about a myth, and I chose this one.
Hail Rudra the Hunter
Very interesting! I always seek out Orion in the sky, but never knew the story or anything about his mythos. I appreciate this very much.
This is my first video that I've seen of yours. Thank you for such an insightful talk on a old story and the epistemology of it.
Thank you for your kind words.
In ancient Egypt, the Star Cluster we call the Pleiades was know as "The Celestial Heard" and were an import part of the system of timekeeping and a seasonal marker. ... In the ancient Egypt seven goddesses, represented by seven cows, composed the celestial herd that provides the nourishment to her worshippers. This herd is observed in the sky as a group of stars, the Pleiades, close to Aldebaran, the main star in the Taurus constellation.
Beautiful story !!
Herd
Oh! So that is the reason for the seven cows that Pharao dreams of in the Book of Genesis, where Joseph interprets the dream.
Quite similar to the kalenjin tribe in kenya this constellation was known as Koromenik , and its appearance signified an abundant harvest.A harvest seasonal marker
@@sen5i I've heard of cows.
Consider also the amount of dust in the air from volcanoes leading to poor crops. When the sisters are clear we say it's going to be a good year, when hidden we say a bad year.
Thank you for watching and your thoughts, it is a ppont
Well, were the sisters hidden?
I love your channel, it has given me a lot of story ideas over the past couple of years.
In the indigenous Tausug culture of the southern islands of the Philippines, the Seven winged sisters are known as the Biraddali (Vidhyadari in Sanskrit because we were Buddhists before converting to Islam after it's arrival.) A deer informed a man that in order to marry a Biraddali, he needs to hide one of their wings while they're bathing at the end of a rainbow. Consequently, Rainbow is also called Bahaghari which is a lot close to the word Biraddali as well.
Rainbows are believed to be the way to the gods in Hawaiian culture. The rainbow are our chakras which make us find our higher self or our inner god or goddess. Then we awaken to our true purpose and reason for being here.
Yes, gold at the end of the rainbow@@findinglakshmi7876
Crecgarford I made comment about the apparent similarities between various world wide stories about the constellations of Orion and the Pleiades in response to your Cosmic Hunt video. You responded by saying you intended to take a deeper look at this. Well you did, and I really appreciate your work. Apart from what I have learned from your work, the comments made by my fellow viewers are amazingly insightful as well.
I do want to do this, although I can't promise when, but it is on my list of videos to make. Thank you.
Worth waiting for! Really loved this one and would like more videos about really old stories and motifs. Especially those that are connected with stars.
Thank you! I will do my best, these take a lot of research to produce a fair and unbiased video, but I do want to make more.
Many years ago when i was a teenager i had one of those dreams that one doesn't forget.
The first part of the dream was of a massive stellar "explosion" (best way i can describe it) where countless stars were emanating from some source?
The second part of the dream was of a star cluster that i came to realize were the Pleiades.
In the dream i (or someone) was singing 🎶 Seven stars across the sky 🎶 to the tune of the refrain of "Cowgirl In the Sand" by Neil Young (i just dated myself 😁) and i awoke singing it.
Thanks for the video 👍
Wow!
Romantic that I am, I've always wondered why there are asterisms that hold more wonder than others. The Pleaides has been that for me, I've been fascinated with those particular stars since I was little. Sometimes I wonder if our DNA retains some ancestral memory kept locked in our subsconscious to things like specific stars or a place. That memory keeps a fire of awe and wonder alive.
Thank you for all your effort and work to tie the relevant information from across the ages together, it's wildly fascinating what myths have commonality from seemingly disparate people and places.
Thank you for your commenting such thoughtful words, and for watching the video.
I named my daughter Adelaide even though I had never been there. I'm 11th generation Canadian and don't know why I feel so drawn to Australia
Our DNA does contain these ancestral memories. It's how I uncovered the story of the 7 Mothers in the Akan story, which I did not hear about in the video.
"Zeus liked to get around a bit" xD Understatement of the year. Thank you for these videos
Wow, I remember reading a Native North American story like this (maybe Blackfoot? I don't remember). But the seven sisters were running from a flea, who wanted to marry them. To escape they turned into stars. Amazing how this story was either re-invented or has a common root before humans spread out. I personally think it was re-created, especially given the Pleiades being a point of inspiration.
Yes, it shows VERY convincingly that they have a common root. And the various versions I've heard people here claim from all kinds of different cultures are all actually strikingly similar and all essentially contain the same general set of crucial elements.
In all the stories, they are 7 relatives (showing relation, most often sisters), often directly representing Pleiades, or it is just one woman that might represent them as a collective, if they're not just assumed to already be here when the story starts, they are here for a reason related to vitality (to bathe, to marry, to save themselves from danger), they are either chased or tricked into staying while here, and they escape into the Heavens but most often something is left behind on Earth. Usually something that integrates into this world in some form.
I'd say it's a pretty consistent story, all important elements considered. I wonder what symbolic representations can be found in the elements held in common with these stories. That is probably the key to understanding what this ancient shared story is trying to tell us.
Fascinating!! I love stories such as these! Thank you, Craig!
While I was living in Australia, I could often count as much as 12 stars in Pleiades. In Europe and USA, with the same eyes, I could see only 7 (although knowing where the others were from my Australian experience, I could later guess the location of the others).
Here in norway i can go outside straight from my lit up living room and count 8 stars with no problem. At my location light polution are not a problem.
@@John_Longbow I perceive it as a sort of a chariot (like Ursa major). Four stars in a bent row, the two in the middle have the wheels underneath. Which makes six. And then, the last on has a little star behind like a handle. Which makes it seven (I live 30km south of Prague).
That's light pollution for yah.
@@dudeistpreist5721 can't be just that: the cultures that created the story didn't have the light pollution. I was always seeing very well to distance, that's one thing; second, by "as much as 12" I mean, the extra stars (say the last three or four) were there more in side vision than directly observable, because they are more like nebulae, the dust shines around them. Also, when we look at the picture here in the video, the seven sisters are apart of their parents, so we have 7+2=9 stars altogether. This is confusing, because when I described the four stars in a bent row in my above post, the first left star is Atlas with Pleione in one. So when I look at it here in Europe (I am lucky to live outside of the city, so the pollution isn't that bad), when I say I see 7 stars now, that means Atlas plus six.
I'm 37 now and my whole life until this summer, i thought the pleiades was the little dipper... 6 stars. Vancouver island Canada
I absolutely love your format. Thank you so much for your work.
Great video, thanks for uploading! The oldest visual depiction of the Pleiades finds itself actually in Lascaux Cave in France, where their characteristic shape is painted over the shoulder of the bull. I really recommend Randall Carlson's video on Halloween tradition, where he explores this topic.
I didn't say that because I wasn't sure if there was academic consensus on this, but I am very happy to believe it is. Thank you.
The stars' relationship to the bull is very interesting to me. I have often wondered how the constellations first developed because, to my uneducated eyes, the groups of stars look nothing like what they represent.
I'm sure the stars meant much more to the ancient peoples - they would have been a significant aspect of the night back then.
Thankyou for sharing I always found Randall's work interesting and I haven't seen his new stuff. I'll make sure to check it out!
Carlson is like Hancock. A very convincing fraud
I’m so touched deeply in your analysis, the sacred of number 7 is endlessly inspiring, based on this amazing story. I wonder if there more stories or legends that are related,,,, please share.
Thank you for sharing this knowledge 🙏🌟
Thank you for this excellent content. This is my first time stumble onto your website and I will certainly check out other presentations of yours. In certain region of Flores Island in Indonesia, just north of Australia, the myth of six/seven Sisters is actually reflected in rite of initiation (e. g. six days rite of birth, six/seven days of girls' rite of initiation, six days of boys' rite of initiation into adulthood, etc.), traditional architecture (seven traditional house of a tribe, seven villages, lots of six/seven elements in construction of traditional houses, etc.), human development as voyages through seven seas, etc.; the time of agricultural planting, harvest and hunting season are also closely related to the rise and journey of Pleiades, Taurus and Orion in the night skies from November through March/April. The myth is literarily still alive until today. There's a book in Indonesian about this that hopefully soon will be translated into English. The title is something like 'On Earth As It Is In The Sky.'
I love the exploration of Dreamtime! I teach Middle Schoolers so I can't go in depth as I like--their minds still get fixated on "Did this story really happen?" not "What can this story tell us about the humans who told it?" So I appreciate getting to stretch my mind a little further with videos like these. 🙂
Decades of the 'trust the experts' mentality stripped children of their critical thinking and natural curiosity, IMO. In a lot of ways human science and curiosity has been severely clamped down by the dogma of 'authority' figures, so it's only natural over time through our own behavior that kids would be more worried about the 'authenticity' of such a story rather than the actual material of the story itself. People think they need permission to think outside of conventions these days.
@@shadow7988 💯
@@shadow7988 Trust comes with understanding. Of course you should not believe them just because of seniority. However, you can show children and adults how the scientific method works and why you can rely on its ability to improve knowledge. It's not so much about opinion (mainly when interpreting results) than it is about facts and how you gain factual evidence.
@@Astro-Markus If only it were that simple, but the reality is that it is not. Scientific consensus is a non-existent concept. It's literally NEVER been true at any point in human history. Over the last hundred years alone we've rewritten our understanding of gravity three times and invented matter and energy that has absolutely no physical evidence of any sort but is held up as gospel rather than re-examining our existing physics models(I am of course talking about dark matter/energy, which have less proof at this point than UFO's and ball lightning).
The sad reality is you can't really trust anything you can't replicate and test on your own. Scientist or not, they're still human and prone to error and malfeasance. Covid is probably the best recent example of that, you can't blame people for not trusting the 'experts' when the 'experts' will bend or fabricate data for the sake of corporations and governments. Turns out even scientists have bills to pay, and care more about the paycheck than actual 'science'.
@@shadow7988 I totally disagree. It is actually the strength of the scientific method it can lead to a paradigm shift. It is not dogmatic. Scientific consesus is not a democratic tool. It is always about evidence. It's the best you can do. If you follow the scientific method everyone will come to the same conclusion given the evidence at hand. It may change with new evidence. This is how science works.
interesting because Orion doesn't appear the same below the tropic. i have always known it as Orion but Orion's belt is called the saucepan because of how it appears here
as for Indonesians and Australia FN interaction
i found out during Australias hard border lockdown during covid that there was issues about island hopping between the Torres's Strait Islands (at least 20 islands that are between Australia and PNG) off far north Queensland and PNG. there has been trade between them for a long time. so Husbands have been caught either in PNG or the many islands in the chain
and Australia. unable to return home or trade. leaving many without supplies
not really sure on how long ago this started but it's easy to assume this has been going on for generations
so stories could be shared between Australia, Papuans New Guinea, the Torres's Strait aswell as Timor-leste and Indonesia.
again a fascinating story and i continue to share your channel
thanks
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@@kodykindhart5644 i will let my cat know he can push them over the edge
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I think the biggest issue with these "oldest stories" is that at some point, it would seem natural that a story would have dissolved or changed beyond recognition. A story surviving 100000 years? It's insane to think about. But then when you consider it again; this is a very basic story, the storyline is not very complicated, and most importantly, every night would have given them a visual reminder of the story. I think when you realize this it's easy to see how a story could have survived so well for so long, when this was shown every night on the night sky. I'm sure the children or teenagers would sit and listen to their parents tell them the stories of the night sky, and it would not be surprising to me if such a simple narrative in such a prominent constellation would be easy to remember and easy to retell for generations and generations ...
@UCsNBHrSOY3rPH8SMgziOjxg or maybe it is just a good story, where the details have changed over time, but where the night sky is a constant reminder. I don't think we need to put any added emphasis on the importance of it, especially since it is not actually SUPER *important* in all the cultures. Islam has a myth, the Greeks had a myth .. but in none the point seems very significant. It could just be an explanation for a constellation which can be seen all over the earth, and which then would get passed down. Of course it wasn't just a boring story; it would have to have had a good body of detail and such, like any good story, but those would obviously not be kept in place. I agree it's persisent and widespread, but so are the stars. Widely visible and obviously persistent, coming in every night.
Yeah, but myths are allegory's of psychological processes going on within the psyche, they are eternal truths. There's only one story world-wide really, just expressed through the filter of different cultures.
@@mcnowski no, that's too simplistic. Some myths don't have psychological motifs. Some are meant to teach or warn, for example. Some are just good stories, and some attempt to explain the natural world or depict/remember historical events. Saying all myths depict a psychological process is just as oversimplifying as saying they are all interpretations of the natural forces of the world. Some are. Some aren't.
Maori before the written word would memorise the spoken word exactly.
If Maori of NZ couldn’t remember the story being passed down and would deviate in word well reciting there history in story,
That person would have all of the holes in the body sown up.
Sew the mouth eyes ears punishment before death ensuring the Maori value memory and history
ITS LESS THAN 3000 YEARS
Thank you! As the middle of seven sisters (no brothers) I long identified with this cluster's Greek tale, and would find other ones over the decades, , intrigued (aghast) to find myself filially 'disapeared' as Merope. It led to other wondrous doors opnening, such as star family heritage and the sacred geometries of the cosmos grounded on Earth. Your video is a goldmine. bless you LOVE, big hug, xoxOxox
You're very welcome!
20:50 romantics vs academics + 24:54 ... an excursion and many downloads since posting has me ask why we would assume that the Dreamers now could not have been Dreamers then. The current evolution of our species, being pioneered by astral travelers and "innernet" telepaths, has me wondering if the following might have been common knowledge to our ancestors: the lost Pleiad did not disappear--she was relocated to Alpha Virgo. She had graduated from the stellar nursery, having gained light. Just as souls can migrate from one genetic human line to another, her astral address migrated to Spica. For Merope fell to Earth as a pioneering astronaut, seeding the planet as our mum for the Earth's first Tree of Life. Named 'Lilith' she took off after dualism errupted and paradise was lost. In another iteration of her soul, Astraea, the maid of the stars, the daughter of Dawn and Dusk (twilight's border), she was the last god to remain on Earth after the last Golden Age fell. That had been, per Hesiod, a society of immortal males, who fell when fire was stolen (Prometheus as your Wurrunnah) and Pandora was crafted. Then demonized like Lilith. Not so the men abducting Earth maidens, like the Elohim or Fallen Angels creating a race of glowing giants (such as Gerda, who existed in another dimension in Old Norse sagas). Evolving, this 'world's oldest story' keeps getting told over and over with new names every few thousand years. Aldebaran and the other Watcher stars upgraded and became Royal Stars, seeding the lit lineage, and then evolved to be protectors, like knightly lion-hearted Regulus, or The Follower, Aldebaran, who follows the Pleiades as an angel or spirit does, coming from behind. Aldebaran culturally morphed into Archangel Michael, a protector of our current semi-angelic pioneers; he has been that for the 3 western religions of male mono-gods. Now the divine feminine is being re-integrated, balancing between the genders, none dominant. It is proposed that Michael's gentle incarnation will seed the New Earth's New Golden Age Tree of Life, and that was energized by the payload from the Oort Cloud that came in via the ATLAS Comet, which, at its closest approach to Earth just weeks ago, sailed right down the middle of the little skirt on Virgo, the constellation where Spica lies as the seed corn, the ear of wheat or grain. That is where Astraea, the maid of the stars, was placed to recoop after her last romp left her depleted and disgusted, lying down in the renewing stream of the Milky Way, neither wanting to remain on Earth nor return to the heavens, whose oversight of the precious planet, she felt, was negligent. It is she (as written in the stars) who returns to herald the dawn of the new Age. And it is she, holding Libra's scales, who is weighing it to be an upgrade from the old blight of patriarchy. Absent a need for linear proof, as curvy as feminine non-linear thinking. Which the nature spirits and cosmic ancestors feed. As they do the Dreamers, vibrantly interconnected in a unifying consciousness. The indigenous Dreaming did not need proof to know what they knew. Nor do the current GENIUS energy readers who size up--in less than an instant--what is happening in the aquarian Collective, having never met nor heard of the players they are reading with amazing accuracy. They, along with other gentle vulnerable cultures, are in harmony with Nature like the Aborigine, and will be protected from "manifest destiny" concepts. As will all sorts of conceptions.
One of the most interesting things about the existence of such an early story, and really all stories, is the realization that humans will always ask “why?”. Really you could argue that asking “why?” is the most fundamental human trait, and that the impulse to do so is the origin of all stories.
- and it's vital for the self-proclaimed wise man to have an answer ready, and something more satisfying ready for the cleverest student, or as in the case of the seven sisters, the student with the best eyes in the village.
@@stevetheduck1425weird how they always converge on seven sisters turning into stars, though. I mean the number could obviously be derived _from_ the stars, but why sisters, or transfigured humans at all? Just seems too specific to be a product of trend.
@@tahunuva4254 For the same reason gods are human-like in all myths. We tend to anthropomorphise all natural phenomenons. There are thunders? There must be someone angry up there.
@@tahunuva4254 It'd make sense if there was a common source.
And as the story changed and morphed the central story about the 7 sisters largely remained the same.
Great video, how have I missed your channel for so long.
I live in Australia, so it's interesting how you reference things. The Australian indigenous population is the oldest living unbroken ethnic group, over 40,000 years old, and predates even the most ancient of proto-civilizations. Their myths and legends surrounding the Great Dreaming and Dreamtime are some of the most ancient and underrated stories we have.
Thank you.
Tragic they never wrote books. Imagine a book from 40k years ago. I need that book.
@@privacyviolated583 They did, that's the neat part. But you wont find the story in one place. You find it stretched across hundreds of ancient caves and rock faces, stories told as the tribes migrated seasonally. Paintings, carvings, landmarks.
In the northern part of Australia, I was able to visit a sacred site called Thunder Dreaming. It was a giant masa in the middle of nothing, with a cave near the top where elders would go to connect to the Dreamtime and watch monstrous thunderstorms roll over the land, bringing the monsoon seasons with it.
@@OldManMoko they didn't thats the neat part. they drew pictures.
also they are no where near 40,000 years old thats the myth
@@johnsmith-fz5pz the earth is millions of years older than what science today tells you.
I am Wiradjuri mob, First Nations People of Australia, more commonly known as Aboriginal.
My ancestors are the oldest living race on earth and are direct descendants from the earliest pre human prototypes.
It was first shown & accepted in science that humanity could be traced back to pre humans living about 200,000 years ago, probably around Africa.
However, new
mitochondrial DNA studies puts the origin of homo sapiens much further back & shows that the Australian Aborigines, my ancestors, arose 400,000 years ago from two distinct lineages of pre human prototypes, far earlier than any other racial group.
These studies also show that Aboriginal people did NOT descend from Africa, or India, as some have thought, but arose from Australia, 400,000 years ago, making them the oldest living human race on earth, who never left their land of origin, and remain there today.
And that makes the earth MUCH older than what most people think it is.
Earth is billions of years old, 4.6 billion. And Aboriginals are the oldest living human race arising 400,000 years ago out of Australia.
Our ties to country is ancient.
Mitochondrial DNA evidence can not be refuted.
I live in a town in Healesville Australia and there are 7 hills that represent this belief, I grew up with the Wurundjeri people of which my best mate from pre-school onwards is a clan member.The Wurundjeri are not a single clan though they are a collection of groups spanning a massive area, I feel honoured to have grown up with these stories.If you're willing to look into an amazing bloke William Barak, his story is incredible.
Hello friend from the Yarra Valley! It’s crazy to see someone in the comment section who is near my home town haha Hope you are well!
@@Grace-jh1yc Hi hope you are well, it's a small world
Shout out to my Wurundjeri brothers and sisters still keep all of the rivers and water catchments clean to this day. All through natural and sustainable methods thousands of years old.
I literally can drink from my local river without getting sick. Also Ricketts sanctuary is my fave place to go mushroom and bug hunting(i only look and take photos DW its not my land)
Thanks for the informative link. History is important. Especially now
Reading this from Melbourne town on the merri creek. ❤
Brilliant! My first episode and am most-happy to say that this video is a year old and gives me high-hopes to checkout what other awesomes are found in them. Such a great job here. Thank you! Subbed!!
Another fascinating video here. I particularly like the discussion into the methods you use to establish the facts of what happened. What are the chances of this being a coincidence? Very difficult to put a number to that or to even say what such a number might mean! I'm constantly amazed at how you manage to say anything of substance with any degree of confidence at all - but say it you do. This must be one of the hardest most painstaking subjects there is - much harder than say particle physics. I'm in awe.
Thank you.
Thank you for your kind words, and for watching. It is relatively straight forward, providing you are unbiased and academic. As soon as you become emotive about any of it, then you can create a distorted view.
Even if the stories do not share a common origin, it’s astounding that this memory of there being 7 stars in the system has been preserved in myth the world over.
Yes, I do feel this is a very old motif, for it is so very common and worldwide.
It’s very interesting and seriously intriguing. Paul Wallis also talks about this star system. Very in-depth research could happen here. If we can. Lol.
YOU CAN SEE ALL SEVEN WITH THE NAKED EYE. The seventh appears in your peripheral vision, if you just look a little to the left. This is EXACTLY as it would have been for our ancestors. This idea that the seventh was "lost" to us, or that they could somehow see it better, is HOGWASH.
@@jeremysmetana8583 Light pollution (and particle pollution)
Like many stories, if we were to suddenly lose our way, those stories would arise again, because they are grounded in nature, in place and in environment.
It appears to me that this is just one of possibly hundreds of mythological tales, where many aspects of the basic tale are the same. It is proof that we humans, going back over the 30,000 years, are all more alike than most are willing to believe.
Apparently, many of our ancestors looked up into the stars, and from various regions of the earth saw the similar stories.
It's kinda beautiful, really.
This isn't the only story humans all have in common, either. The great flood is kind of puzzling to me, has been for decades.. but has become more intriguing as I'd learned of one culture having a similar "great flood" tale.. then another, then another.
I believe more looking, connecting, learning, sharing.. we could be on the verge of learning about our connected past.
I really hope we are 💝☯️🍀☮♾.
Look up Jonathan Pageau for some great insight into the flood myth.
We were sharing stories much earlier than 30,000 years ago. I know of an Aboriginal story that tells of a time before Aboriginal people cooked their meat. Well, it's believed we have been cooking food from well before 100,000 years ago, maybe even 200,000 years ago. This story is going way back into the very early parts of human history.
As a Humanities major in college, I was introduced to the Greek myth of the 7 sisters in my humanities courses but taking Astronomy as my lab science elective at the same time, we were introduced to the Pleiades star cluster through the native American mythology as was the case also with the great bear constellation and most others..Pegasus and Orion were about the only ones that used the Greek mythological stories in Astronomy class. My Humanities classes used the Greek myths exclusively.
I live on the beautiful and mystical Atherton and Evelyn Tablelands in FNQ Australia - which is Yidinji ancestral lands, just outside of the town Yungaburra there is a set of "volcanic pimples" which are called "The Seven Sisters" (there are actually 10 of them) they have a story about 7 sisters being persued by a bad man - I can't remember if the story was that they turned into the hills, or he turned them into the hills, it's been decades since I was told the story.
Wow, that's cool. My great grandmother was taken from Atherton during the stolen generation. I have heard it's beautiful up there.
@@lifeoflycan2037 yes, it's very beautiful up here, we are rather spoiled when you look at most of the rest of the country - your grandmother must have ended up in Yarrabah then ?
We recently found out through DNA testing that my Granny had an older sister that was stolen generation - we also found out that my Granny's father was a fugitive criminal/missing person = my uncle entering his DNA into the database solved a 90 year old case that never would have been solved without DNA technology. After abandoning his first wife and 2 sons to go on the run - because he didn't want to go back to jail he had a relationship with an aboriginal lady called Thora in Normanton, she and their daughter Nora were taken to that island where all those riots happened - then he married my Granny's mother and had 9 children with her, and cheated on her and had at least 4 or 5 kids with other women.... And all round prick, but we've found out about this whole diabolical criminal bloodline - it's been pretty epic finding all this stuff out.
@@tuathadesidhe1530 Wow, that's one hell of a story. My great grandmother ended up in Toowoomba being Raised by Italians. She went on to have 8 kids with a Scottish man straight off the boat, he then had all of their kids put in a home and went on to have another 8 kids with someone else. She fought hard for years to get her kids back, and she got them. She was an amazing lady, I'm truly honoured to have known her.
@@lifeoflycan2037 Wow! Both you and @Tuatha de Dishes have some stories! For me, here in the US, I thought that my ancestors had managed to dodge being involved in slavery (and also being English 😸). However, I was recently disabused of these notions. I found out that not only did I have native and immigrant ancestors dating to the early 1600's Virginia, a Pamunkey woman of high status marrying an Englishman. But that they indeed had land and slaves. In her will, she only names one by first name, all of them she bequeaths to different relatives.(!) So, not only do I have a connection, but it's pretty much out of the gate, right when it started. Now, I'm trying to wrap my mind around all these people who were/are likely distant relatives in some fashion.
My great great grandfather was the only surviver of the butcher creek massacre on the tablelands his mother hid him in a hollowed out tree and a police officer took him to cashmere station to be a slave and my grandfathers grandmother was taken from yungaburra and taken to Yarrabah and when she was pregnant she was forced to walk back up to yungaburra to work where she gave birth to my grandads mother.
Have you considered that the "lost Pleiad" might in fact have been a supergiant star which was formed at the same time as the other Pleiads, but novad (or supernovad) early in mankind's history. This would explain both a lost star and why is it presently undetectable. Is there a reliable way to determine if the 20-70 kya remains of a (super)nova are hidden inside that nebula?
You are a master at story telling and capturing the attention
Thank you so much.
Woke up feeling anxious.. needed a little story.. mind you this is my 10th time listening to this particular story .. I realized you don’t get credit as we come back for the healing aspect of your channel.. wanted to take a moment and offer gratitude.. gratitude for this medicine and the way you offer it to us.🙌
This was fascinating. TH-camr Parallax Nick has covered some similar topics. In his video on Sirius, he notes that ancient cultures across the world have associated this star with dogs, and suggests similarly that this could possibly indicate that the association pre-dates humans' dispersal out of Africa
The "out of Africa" theory has now been thoroughly debunked fyi...
@@olsim1730 Gonna need the retard-science explanation for this then. Where did humans come from if not Africa?
@@olsim1730 Has it? I can't find any evidence disproving it. I suspect you're merely trying to push an agenda.
@@olsim1730 by who?
@@bustedkeaton by the made up source in his head
It's a really fascinating idea, and I'd love to think these stories of the 7 Sisters and Orion are all deeply related! Just like the Cosmic Hunt apparently is, as you said. I have to set aside that deeply held wish for skepticism, but a part of me still wants to think the very basis of the stories came from back before we began to disperse from the cradle. That part will hang onto that wish, methinks!
I love these stories you tell us, and how deeply you delve into the facts involved! Thank you for what you do!
they are. read the bible and see how it all connects. then you can see where all these fictional stories come from.
@@johnsmith-fz5pz the Bible is a recent written version of fictional story with a much more ancient heritage
Great stuff mate! love it. And respect for the reverence and thorough representation of Australian First Nations. Over 150 Nations!
I just discovered your channel and I think I will have many more cups of tea listening to your stories.
Thank you, I hope you do.
@@Crecganford I have been interested in mythology since childhood and especially the similarities.
Especially Japanese mythology in which the long night also appears.
And I also distinguish between one God and more gods mythologies.
The Pleiades are collectively known in India as Krittika, the brave wise 7 sisters who were the wives of the seven extremely revered scholars named the ‘Sapta Rishis’ or ‘Seven Sages’. These women were kind, powerful and pious who protected and foster cared for a warrior god named Kartikeya (the first son of Shiva), The warrior story has come about probably due to the constellation's shape as an axe or a sharp blade. In Indian astrology, if a person's birth time star arrangement falls in this constellation then it is said that he or she is likely to adopt a child. 😊
As for the group fo six stars in one place, and one star that is separated from the rest, the story goes that one of the sisters was infatuated by the god of Fire (called Agni), so much that she ditched her own husband and allowed herself to be burnt and consumed by Agni's heat. But she was immortal so she couldnt really die, hence as a penance she was casted away from the rest of the group . But Lord Brahma (the creator of the world) told her she is still immortal and due to her dedication to god Agni she will be associated with fire god forever.
Her name was "Swaha". You will still see in the modern world that when Hindus perform religious fire rituals (Yagnya) they clal her name "Swaha" when they make offerings to the ritualistic fire.
As for more popular use of that name in Indian culture, when Indians esp Hindus have to sarcastically describe something that is gone for good and cannot be recovered, they say "It's swaha!" 😊
Thank you heaps. I was wondering about the Saptarishis and their link to the aboriginal people. Their wives was my missing piece. I also think Aboriginal people originated from somewhere in ancient India, possibly south, due to their distinctive physical appearance. Your insight into this is greatly appreciated.
@@ap2603 mostly likely either Australian natives get this belief tens of thousands years ago when they migrated or it's recent phenomenon when around 4600 years ago many peoples from Indian subcontinent somehow manage to migrate their again.
@kumarashura6621 That's correct. Misinformation has been passed down from generation to generation. However, the truth or more so the "works" of the saptarishis/shiva is manifesting itself like none other, especially in the last few years. Despite all the bad things happening, it's a great time to be alive.
So what was Jesus' Starsign?
And how many days later did he rise?
Why are we honouring an adultress
This is why the burning of the Library of Alexandria was such a monumental tragedy. So much ancient history destroyed, perhaps including the original writings of the seven stars.
Divide the world's Circumference by six and get 6,666. Divide the number of seconds in a day by 400 and get 216, 2160 is the length of an astrological age. The Moon is 400 times smaller than the sun, which is 864,000 miles wide, just like there are 86,400 seconds in a day. The planet orbits the Sun at 108,000 km/hr or 66,600 miles an hour.
If we divide the angled side of the Pyramid (186.6 x 100 = 18,660) by 21.6 we get 863.8, plus .2 is 864. The base of the Pyramid minus the height is also Pi times 100, and Al Nitak follows Sirius past the King's Chamber in 100 minutes.
If we divide the height by Euler's number we get the square root of Pi, times 2 is 354, the number of days in 12 lunar months.
If we divide the diameter of the Sun by 6 we get 144,000
The hands of our 24 hr clock go around 60 times 60 times 10, which is 36,000, the number of Arc degrees in one second times 10, which means each second is one 360th of a circle, times 100.
This shows that the Star of David was used as a kind of calculator to devise time and do complex equations using a hexadecimal system. The Egyptian number of perfection is 100, we divide 400 by 100 to get 4, we divide 600 by 100 we get 6. 4/6 is equal to 2/3 and 3/9, all of which have a ratio of 66.666666666, by which they can divide the Horizon down to seconds, and thus navigate the globe knowing both its dimensions and be able to make accurate maps.
86,400 ÷ 400 is 216
216 x 2 is 432
432 + 216 is 684
432 x 2 is 864
So rather than divide 864,000 by 2160, they divide 86,400 by 216, which is 400, rather than 40,000. This means a Megalithic Clock would go around 40 times, with each second broken down into tenths. 6 times 6 times 10; 3600. 400 ÷ 6 is 66.66666
These numbers all divide into each other. Half of 216 is 108, just as the Earth orbits the Sun at 108,000 km/hr. The interior angles of a regular Pentagon are also 108, and the interior angles of a Star of David add up to 1,440, times 100 is 144,000. Half of 108 is 54.
It takes 360 Full Moons to span the night sky Horizon to Horizon, 720 total, 72 times 3 is 216. 6 x 6 x 6 x 4 = 864
Which means a full moon is equivalent to 300 seconds, or 5 minutes, meaning 2 Full moons per 10 minutes. This means seconds represent tenths of the Moon, a Minute (6 times 10 times 10) being 2 Full Moons or 1 degree of arc. Multiply the Moon's diameter by 18.6, the number of years in a Metonic Cyle, and get 40,175, the diameter of the Earth plus 100. 40,000 times 100 is 4,000,000, the Earth's circumference in meters.
Multiply 18.6 by 2150 (actual diameter of the Moon) and you get 39,990, just 10 km short. This means they measured the Earth with the Orbit of the Moon, and based their metrics off of the Full Moon, cubing and squaring it to find the relationships between the heavenly bodies. Half of the Pyramid's base equals one 86,400th of the Earth's Circumference. Divide the Base by the height and get Pi. The height of the Great Pyramid times 43200 equals the Polar Circumference of the Earth.
Also the Circumference of the Base of the Great Pyramid times 43200 equals the Equatorial Circumference of the Earth.
An equilateral Triangle formed within the face of the Great Pyramid is 6,666 inches along each side, it represents one half of the Star of David, 720 degrees, as above so below, so we double it, 1440 ÷ 6 is 240, the number of hours on a clock times ten. 24 being 6 x 4, combining both ratios of of Sun and Moon, hence Solomon. The Pyramid itself is Squaring the Circle, by reducing the proportions of the cosmos to squares and roots based on Phi and Pi and Euler's number as a ratio to feet, and the Star of David is what allows them to do it, like a proto Antikythera mechanism.
I can't say if they went to hundredths of a second, because I'm not even that much of a mathematician (magician) but they definitely did tenths, and it equates to the same nautical metrics we use today.
Enoch also buries 36,525 scrolls, the number of days in a year, times 100. Oh by the way, this shows that our current measure of time is based on the principle of 1/6, the basis of an Egyptian Royal Cubit, but first they built the first ring at Stonehenge, which is 100 metres (330 ft) wide, with an area of 2160 square feet, a Cube's interior angles also add up to.. 2160
This produces a Calendar of 60 6 day weeks plus five. Every 4th year a 366th day makes exactly 61 weeks.
This means every 216 years this calendar produces 1 extra day, so after 648 years 3 days must be removed. This is when the Phoenix arrived, and stepped onto the Alter of Ra or Holy Grail, completing the Metonic cycle and bringing the Calendar back into sync with the first New Moon of the Spring equinox. The Capstone of the Pyramid is even called the Benben Stone, the Egyptian Phoenix is called the Bennu. It likely relates to Deneb, in Ophiuchus, the 13th Starsign of the Zodiac. The base of the Pyramid is exactly 13 Acres, as is Teotihuacan, because they share the exact same base dimensions.
Such a location would be ideal for calculating the speed of light using the transit of Venus. Incidentally the Great Pyramid's Latitudinal coordinates are the speed of light.
1440 ÷ 108 = 13.333333
11 and 3 are the most sacred Celtic numbers of royalty, and also happen to be the proportions of the Earth to the Moon, and the Great Pyramid.
The starsigns also precess 1 degree every 72 years
72 x 3 is 216
2160 ÷ 648 is 3.3333333
The Aztec Calendar also begins with a double transit of Venus, in 3116BC.
This whole code can be encoded into a single Pythagorean Triangle of Dimensions 666 by 630, by 216, this is the Key of Solomon, 33 is the inverse of 66.
100 is the "perfect number" because it represents 10 6 unit metrics times 10 6 unit metrics, a unit being 6.66
ie 60 x 60 (3600) the number of Arcdegree seconds in a second, or a one second unit on a clock the size of Earth
This means seconds represent 10ths of the Moon; 216, or 6 x 6 x 6 (100 ÷ 6 ÷ 6 = 2.7): Euler's number, and the number of feet to a Megalithic Yard, 3/11 is .27 and the number of days in a sidereal month is also 27.
11/3 is 3.66, the number of days in a Canicular leap year, the character of Thoth, Cuchulainn, and Kukulkan, the Dog Star, and star by which the Sothic (Seth) Calendar is determined. Thoth was the Son of Seth, who is portrayed as a Serpent. 3 x 11 is 33, the years in a Great Solar Return. As the Sun and Moon inhabit respective house of the Zodiac they animate the character within, playing out the dramas and battles we know as myths, for example the Moon traveling through each of the Zodiac houses each month, for a grand total of... 144 (12 x 12)
Metatron/Enoch/Echnaton/Arkenaten's Cube is 13 circles in a Star of David:
13 x 360 is 4680
4680 ÷ 216 is 21.666..
4680 is an inversion of 8640, or 6840, just as Trump owes China a Billion dollars ($1,000,000,000)
For 1290 Avenue of the Americas. And has a tax haven at 1209 North Orange St Delaware, and was elected in 2016.
2016 + 144 is 2160
His Penthouse was built on the 66th floor of 666ft Trump Tower, his best friend Epstein "died" aged 66.6 years old.
The Great Pyramid is the Tower of Babel, built for Pharoah so he could meet the God of Moses. Babel is the old name for Cairo, and also means English. Anglo comes from Ankh, which means to bend, or Angle. Iberia and Hebrew have the same root, meaning Over, as in over seas, as in the Phoenicians, Celts, and Iberians that ruled the Maritime world, the Sea Peoples.
Israel is the Phoenician word for Saturn, or El, Fruit of Isis and Ra.
It's in the name. Just like Tyre means Rock, and sat just offshore from Urshu Shalom, City of the New Moon, the root word of Jerusalem. Tyre was also the primary center of (Free) Masonry in the Bronze Age, the only comparable site is Thebes in Egypt.
@@uncannyvalley2350 whoa!! Please tell us more.
Cregan I really loved the well rounded academic approach. Thank you for the wholistic and accountable representation of a beautiful and timeless story. An easy like and subscribe :)
And thank you for your kind words.
WOW!! I Am Very Impressed With Your Knowledge & Wisdom!! I Would LOVE To Know Where You Went To School😊 Thank You For Passing That Along! I Can’t Wait To Dive In On All That is Listed On Your Page
I really appreciate how clearly you challenged and discussed the issues with this theory so now I'm subscribing.
I grew up with the Cherokee & Iroquois 7 sister stories. I knew of the Russian, Chinese, Greek & several others stories about this grouping of stars. Isn't it amazing how one group of stars is so important world wide to all our ancestors. Especially when there was no light pollution, thus we could see eons more stars. Now add the "We came from the stars" stories also told world wide, add religious texts like the bible, that angels slept with human women... Add the missing link & the speculation some event jumped humans into our present form. Definably a thing to ponder, long, many hours, days of pondering.
Hi. The bible is a mix of stories from around the world, which were a bit reshaped. Its not useful to anyone. So many say that what was done în the name of God was just unrelated with what the bibl has to say. But if you look closely at it , it only instills fear , hatred and separation. Oh...its full of lies. The apocalipse for one thing is the viking myth Ragnarok twisted around. Angels în this case might literally mean aliens. Many believe that there are similar looking species out there and native tribes în America admit having regular contact with them. There are many stories around the world about gods that mingled with our women. But those gods mightve been aliens with some powerful tools that made it seem like they were gods. Anywho, I suggest not taking Bible seriously at all. Look around at " ancient cultures rather than the bible. I know its false, I just know it. It brought me much suffering and it has done the same all around the world.
This reminded me I graduated and my gpa made me the one to have to give the speech. I did t want to give a speech. But they basically told me I had to use the word ponder. Lol I’m like what. Why. But thanks for reminding me and I agree. !! Can’t see the sky at all.
The pyramid shaped mounds next to the face on mars align to the Pleiades.
Makes you wonder why "they" don't want us to see the stars above, doesn't it? Light pollution is a global problem.
This is my first view of this channel, and I just subscribed, If your other vids are 1/10 as good as this one, I'll be very happy.
I was surprised that there was no mention of Atlantis (I'm not a kook.). It was, after all, a tale of seven islands of Atlas where at least one sinks, paralleling both the losing of definition between the stars Pleione and Atlas and possibly the concept of one of the sisters melting from the heat of the hunter. I'll see if you mention it in other previous videos.
Thank you. There is a good variety of material on here, and I try and read all the comments, and so feel free to make suggestions or ask questions, and I will try my best to answer them.
I love the idea of culture retaining stories that are potentially as old as African dispersal. I would love more videos covering these sort of myths
I will do my best, and thank you for watching, and for leaving a comment. It all helps!
The original story, the bible comes from our oldest relatives.
@𓆏 I don't think that's out of the realm of possibility. The way populations traveled, news about other types of people was likely shared around campfires, as well as explanations about why they were different. As an example, I believe that Homo floresiensis was around when other groups were moving across the region (50kya +/-). In addition, our modern genetics for most populations show neanderthal and denisovan DNA, as well as others in some cases. It's so wrong to think about how long ago people we could identify with were living across the continents. Puts the last 500yrs in perspective.
Its a nice idea but the idea that specific stories spread from that far back through the entire world even with isolated/disconnected populations and assigning the differences to telephone over the ages is as ridiculous as ancient alien theories that everything was told by aliens
Its much more likely that it was generic things every culture experiences getting locally created with that culture’s flavor added too it along with natural cultural spreading and older bits surviving in some cultures but not all
TLDR: its much more likely each culture assigned their own magic to stuff like stars than every single story being the same that just got telephoned with age assuming they aren’t actually based in bits of truth lel
African dispersal has been genetically disproven
Great video once again.
You mentioned an interesting and helpful description/epistemology of mythology as it being concerned with the phylogeny of ideas, so I'm wondering, in terms of calculating how old generalised myths are, do you have ways of estimating rates of change in ideas? For example looking at population sizes, migration sizes. Perhaps mythology is still to new a social science.
A great question, and it is a statistical model based on a number of inputs, known dispersal routes, often established through DNA, coupled with motif analysis. We group motifs into various groups, and have applied them to "tradditions" which you could think of as cultures, but also include geographic location and language. And combining all this together gives us the numbers. Obviously, with technology and DNA analysis advancing significantly in recent years, this is now becoming more scientific as opposed to just an academic estimate.
@@Crecganford I see, so interesting and like you say the advance in DNA analysis has made mythology so exciting! Easy to see why you find it fascinating. Can you recommend any good books for motif analysis please? You recommended Bruce Lincoln before (which I have bought and yet to read because im doing a media and comms ug degree keeping busy) but maybe that was generally a good book to get started on and not so in depth about motif analysis?
Modern man doesn't realize, since they live under a roof most of their lives, that the night sky was what people looked at all their lives every night it wasn't raining or too cold. One may regard it as the giant chalkboard above, or the giant TV above. Especially before civilized life in town and cities most every person lay down at night and looked up there maybe for hours. Not a reach to think that a movement, or dimming of a star would be noticed by almost all mankind. As they would be very very familiar with the stars and would spot a difference. Just as an old time fisherman who used landmarks to guide where he fished would notice if the tree that leaned out onto the beach, one of his landmarks was gone.
nice... it's also good to sleep outside when all the stars are out and clear. i was taught or somehow remember that sleeping under the stars without anything (like a roof or tent, i.e, e.t.c) over and between us, allows for the stars to calibrate our minds. the stars can align our minds to work and choose appropriately... kinda like ... well, a recalibration by the stars...
@JoaquinElf im generally curious , as I find this hilarious, but I am trying not to discredit what you've heard, did they tell you why?
Experienced that life
I do
stars got boring after the gods left and we got ruled by evil shitheads who made us believe the earth is flat
Ahhh! Fantastic. Thank you for the visual explanation of these stars. Beautiful ! 🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗
The Prometheus saga has its equivalents in so many ancient traditions all over the place. I personally believe that Orion represents that Prometheus figure as well. Fire in one hand, chained to the side of a mountain, with a crow pecking at his liver every night.
I believe that all of our main mythological motifs are a combination of astrological vistas and suitable moralistic teachings
I love this channel because it has the ability to take you back to another era of time. Like a kind of Golden Age. A time before time as we know it.
Thank you, I hope I can make more videos that you will like.
The Pleidians seeded humanity and its so timely to bring our own knowing forward. Great video
Hi, maybe you like Gigi Young with het podcasts on aliens seeding life on earth. Idk- for me she representant a fascinating different version about the coming to be of us mortals Here on earth
Thank you so much for the fascinating ideas, excellent wiring and sense of humor!!
I had a migraine prior to clicking on this video and halfway thru I realized it was gone! 😂🎉 thank you & great story!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I have lived in remote Australia with First Nations people for 26 years. These stories are so familiar as are others,that it almost certainly means that the stories have deep histories that predate the travel out from Africa and thus have a common history.
First Nations Australians had contact with others from outside this continent way before Cook especially those in the west and north.
David, I too am Australian, but with no experience with 1st Nation People. People before Cook would Include Dutchies and a pom or two at the cape. AND maccassions, (4 or5 thousand years ago?) Are you aware of others ? The great antiquity suggested here loses me.
@@neddyladdy the history of first persons is thought to be over 70,000 years nowadays. There are stories of the seas rising after the last ice age only about 25,000 years ago. They’ve cross checked stories, songs etc with seabed cores and proven they’re accurate.
Yes Europeans collided with the west coast and SE Asians with the northern coast. There are petroglyphs on the Burrup peninsula which show ships and what have interpreted as ‘Chinese’ costumes.
We know of the extensive trade routes within Australia, there’s no reason the trade routes wouldn’t exist with seafarers along the coastal regions.
The similarity of the stories seem to indicate some common ancestry and if the ‘7 sisters’ came out of Africa then people could’ve seen them as 7 sisters that long ago.
@@davidlodge681 Yeah, I mostly agree with what you've said, but the Burrup Peninsular I did not know, Thanks
Research Amrucu north America....may be one of the first inhabitants were feathered serpents...This is the land of...
@David Lodge seven sisters may just be the 7 continent's ....
Myths are closer to the truth than many can comprehend.
Must break down the ori jinn of the words....meanings
Oh wow, in Indonesia we have this other version. The man is called Jaka Tarub and yes he's a hunter, and one day he met the 7 angels in the woods, but in this story, the difference is one of the angels cannot run because the hunter stole her wings. The 6 others just left her to save themselves, and they fly to the heavens.
Thank you for sharing this.
Wow, that's cold. What happened to her? Yikes.
@@kirstencorby8465 It's an old story. I'm Indonesian, and I too heard it when I was a kid. If my memory serves me right, they finally got married. While lost her ability to fly, the wife still retains some kind of supernatural power to help with their daily lives. Later on, the wife found her stolen shawl (her means to fly) and left her human husband to return to the sky.
While listening to this, the origin of the stories became clear to me. The Lyrians were actually attacked and run out of their galaxy and scattered to other galaxies. A group took up residence in the Pleiadian star system (as viewed from here on earth). This group has been very involved in the seeding of life on earth and, in our time, with the preparation for the “new age” that earth is transitioning into at this moment. The group who intrusively scattered the Lyrians are known to inhabit the Orion system, hence the versions of the history you describe early in this fascinating video. Your research is a great testament to that children’s game of “telephone!”
The covering of the body with early frost, would be the wisdom (revived by Wim Hof) that temperature tolerance keeps the body alkaline, and resistant to illness! Great wisdom taught along with the prehistoric memories…
aliens, then?
I have listened to this several times, it’s amazing how it’s a story from almost the beginning of time, I’m in my 70,s now & with my experience of life……Pleione (the seventh sister) was the family scapegoat so she backed away from her sisters
Considering the mnemonic process used in First Nation Australian song lines it's quite plausible to conceive a transmission of sky lore over that expanse of 100,000 years.
The problem is, although even a child can spot the three stars in a row, that child needs to be told that it's a belt on a hunter, or else she will come up with some other configuration entirely. I didn't see it that way at all as a kid. I saw the three stars as a crown, the supposed sword that others have since pointed out to me as a king's beard, and the overall image (ignoring half of Orion and adding on a bunch of other stars to the left) as a lounging king, leaning on one elbow, and pointing with the other arm towards a very bright star. So I would argue that if many different cultures see the same belted man running in the opposite direction of my lounging king constellation's pointing, they most probably have all been passing down the same story and reinforcing the image of Orion rather than my lazy king.
În Lakota star knowledge, David Little Elk says that people have been around wayyyy longer than we think and that ancestors were around even when Pangea was a continent. His ancestors hâd stories from back then, they knew things not even scientists today know about Earth, stars and more. So, way back, people could mingle more. So, they had the similar stories, and some în time changed them to harmonize with their way of life. Yes, there are many things scientists dont even share with us, they tell lies based on what their bosses say. Who pays for the studies? Well, government.. Anywho, în the begining we all hâd the same colour skin and after the breakup of continents, în time, our bodies changed, and so did our cultures and way of living. But we are one nation, one specie and we are amongst the worst species. We can be amazing but we keep chosing useless stuff. Sorry for the long comment. I wish you and everyone else all the best.
Wonderful video. The dream timers are very interesting to me because their culture is older than most others. When you speak of the ancient Greeks and most other European cultures, you are speaking of a couple of millennium. When you are speaking of the Australian aboriginals, as you said, you are speaking of 70,000 years ago. That is many millennia before the ancient Greeks and other Europeans. The fact that they spoke of the same star system so many years earlier is an amazing thing. The true ancients are so much more interesting than those who arrived at the same information many millennia later.
I have read that the sky looked entirely different to ancient man than it does to us today. That is very interesting.
Thank you for this video. Well researched and very informative. I haven't seen anyone else explain this in depth as you have done.
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the asterism of the Pleiades is quite unique, in how it appears on the sky. their proximity and colour means they're one of the few groups of naked eye stars that are obviously closely associated, and separate from others. its no surprise that there is a rich seam of mythology surrounding them.
Indeed, that is exactly why.
@@Crecganford How are you so sure?
@@demonmonsterdave it's almost like it's a rigorously studied field of anthropology.......
@@jasonmain6398 You think the Pleiades is studied in anthropology?
@@demonmonsterdave in reference to this? Absolutely. Are you implying they just made up a position rather than referencing SUPER easily accessible astronomy data? You're being silly
Again a very interesting video Jon!
And indeed, in some cultures Orion and the Pleiades do not follow the 7 sisters motive, but that of the Cosmic Hunt, instead of Ursa Major. But then again, the one does not necessairly rule out the other. 😉
Thank you, and indeed it doesn't.
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Thank you.
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If I weren't ancient and penniless, I'd subscribe twice!!
On the other hand, I'm ancient enough to actually remember near-dark skies. And OH! I mourn their loss...
I think one of the problems with the world today is that we don't stare at the stars enough and ponder the beauty and terror of vastness
And how exactly does that lead to the problems?
It makes us arrogant, makes us think we're the biggest thing in the universe and can do whatever the hell we want to the earth.
Pre-Neolithic shamanic societies had a transactional view of life wherein any fauna killed had to be paid back in kind, the same with the trees themselves. Of course, there are other reasons for humanities recent vices but I'd be curious to live in a world where the milky way was constantly visible and see how that changed things.
@@archaeorobbo while they might not have had our problems 1:1 I am sure they had their own set of problems, and probably also a lot that are the same today (an aeon old story of a sexual predator is quite telling). The past is too easily romanticized.
True
City people can't see the night sky. Too many lights on at night.