Dreamtime and the Seven Sisters - The World's oldest story is about Pleiades
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- Within the original cultures of Australia, a story is told, called Dreamtime, reflecting the world at the time of colonization of the continent and it uses the constellations of Orion and Pleiades to tell it's story of hunters chasing women. The same story is told in Greece, and so believe the story to have the same source due to overlapping information.
In this video I'll explore these myths, the similarities, but also potential problems in the early source hypothesis. The result is that these stories are very old, but are they as old as we think they are?
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Just a note from an Aboriginal Australian - we call these cultural beliefs ‘the Dreaming’ not ‘the Dreamtime’, as to many of us this is not mythology or history - it is current. ☺️ The Dreaming encompasses beliefs of hundreds of Aboriginal groups who are all diverse in their dreaming stories and traditions.
Thank you for sharing that.
Hope you also use it to ask questions and find your earned dignity again and don't be fooled by illusions and politics - which some are very good at fooling others with.
@Mel M thank you. How beautiful your traditions have survived through so many generations. Blessings for them to continue for many, many more
Nothing but respect from 'up -above' (The Netherlands) to you all. May the Dreaming continue for millennia to come. Blessi þíg!
@@annerantzau5767 shhhhh
In Finnish mythology, which is sadly long forgotten and fragmented, the goddess of air and heavens has a bird land on her knee, and that bird laid 7 eggs, six of gold and one of iron, and once the eggs fell, their broken shells created the sky. Kind of fun to think about.
I often have thought about that issue. It saddens me that we do not know a great deal more than we do about Norse mythology! Same goes for Roman paganism and many others. I'm all for Christianity or whatever, but they most certainly went out of their way to try to wipe out all knowledge of what was before. Just like when ISIS was destroying all of the ancient Sumerian ruins in Iraq. ugh Or, the destruction of so many places in South America by the Catholic patrons of the Conquistadors. What a loss for the human race! ugh! In that case, some of these peoples' temples were aligned to track the procession of the equinox!!! A cycle that takes 25,700 years!!! Like, how the heck did they figure that out and be able to track something that takes such a long time to occur!?!?! I personally do not think it is aliens at all. I think we, humans, have been advanced to a certain degree in the distant past. That something terrible happened here. And that some of these ruins are all that is left to tell the story. Each one lost makes answering the questions of our history harder to answer. As far as Norse mythology goes, even what we do know suggests a long time period and has many odd similarities with other very ancient beliefs. Something I dought very highly is a coincidence.
Thank you for sharing that. I enjoyed reading your response
Oh that’s cool. Never heard any Finnish mythology.
I think that counts as a celtic legend
Ancient people were on crack 😂
When I was 7 to 10 years old, my mother who did not finish highschool. Told me the story of the Seventh Sisters and she also said to me they were call the Seventh little Goats, Las siete Cabritas... and that those were 7 stars that were always together. I am from Costa Rica... Now I am 31 and I am in complete odd that somehow a story that is thousands of years old found an organic mother to son way to get to my ears...
How could that story move in a time previous to the internet trough so many people and finally get to my ears as a kid that sends chill trough my back!! I will now also tell this story, because for some reason if refuses to die!
Thank you Jhon once again for this channel!
Thank you for sharing the story of your mother woth us!
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Beautiful ❤
I was told a story about the 7 sisters. According to the lady there was 7 sisters and a brother, they created humanity. It's a Native American story, she said her spirit guide was white Buffalo calf woman. She told me in the beginning mankind was given the power to move mountains with words. She told me all sorts of things. She told me we abused our powers and they were taken away. She said our universal language was taken Away and replaced with different languages for each civilization. She said once the world learns how to be nice to each other we will get our original language back and our powers. Also the main difference is, she told me the 7 sisters and one brother came from the star in the middle. They were not turned into stars. They came from them, they live on the middle star. She said that's where we'll go when the world finds peace.
This is such an inspiring story, and encouraging. It's similar to what I've heard also. I'm part native American, and also a Taurus and hare (Chinese sign) kind of silly, I know. But I've always related to this story. It is a beautiful incentive to motivate people to strive towards peace 🕊️ 😊❤
Do you have any idea which tribe is using this tale? Actually, most major world religions share ideas on these themes. I, too, thank you for sharing this ❤.
This reminds me greatly of the Tower of Babel. However, in that case, the people were united in trying to surpass their god and usurp his throne. God punished us by confusing our tongues.
I don't know any more than this really.
Casper Wyoming is where you need to be if you're looking for the answers. I really can't explain it without sounding like a lunatic. But I watched a very eccentric roaming woman make it literally snow dime sized snowflakes. She told me some wild things. I didn't believe her. Then she started doing things with her hands waving them in the air. It seemed like nonsense.. then thebiggest snowflakes I've ever seen in my life started falling all around. It only lasted for 5 minutes. There was no snow before. None after. Not that day. It was the wildest 2 years of my life. 11 It's the place where wander meets water.. I don't exactly know what it is. But I know that.
It has something to do with Casper Mountain. It is truly a magical place.
The Cherokee have their own version of the seven sisters constellation. My Cherokee Grandmother would put a blanket down for us to lay on, and we would spend time gazing up at the heavens, while she pointed out the constellations twinkling in the inky darkness. She would tell me the Cherokee story behind each of them, including the story of the seven sisters. I miss my Grandmother so much, but I know that I am blessed to have heard the ancestral stories, handed down through oral tradition. It is a shame that most young people today do not care to learn about their culture.
Young people may not care about their culture because each generation before cared less;
Or they were killed or placed in a state of fear by conquers.
For sure, care of cultures is not the fault of the young.
The youth are a result of whar came before them
the Ojibway have a similar story
Did your grandmother talk of reincarnation? I remember being a full blooded Native American in a past life. Killed for a golden nugget I found in a creek.
please, tell us the story of the seven sisters my friend. i want to learn
Thank you for sharing your story. 🙂
The first time I heard of the pleiades was when I was a young child. My mother told me that the constellation was used to determine the worth of a hunter by counting the stars, if one could see all seven they would become a great hunter
Wow like an eye exam!
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I love this!
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It is absolutely fascinating that two of the oldest stories on earth are based around the same two constellations
Actually a person who shares those two signs, after all, we are not just the Sun sign, but the moon sign at the same time, so a Gemini is also a Capricorn
Cap as in Capstone of a Pyramid
Where the Phoenix lands upon the altar of Ra
I think that's part of the evidence that they come from the same source
This same story is of our people in Canada as well. Anishinaabe, Ojibwe, Algonquin peoples. Awesome, thank you for putting this together!
The Thunder Bird legend is also spoken of in a region of Australia.
In Korea they are 7 swans: Hyundai symbol
Ojibwe! i never hear about it every one always says cherokee or some other.
There's nothing similar about the Canadian Indian to the Australian Aborigines were talking about a hundred thousand years of evolution between the two groups.
@@James-kv6kb I will agree to disagree with you on this conclusion that you have made
I don't think even academics realise just how dark the night was on this planet in the ancient times. Just going from a city to a suburb to a very rural area changes what you see in the sky. I flew to AK the flight stopped in MT the sky at night was enormous compared to St Louis. It happens I was at a small northern airport with no big city just a small suburb. When I arrived at Ladd Army Airfield in Ft Wainwright that night I could see the milky way and stars I didn't know you could see, and that was with Fairbanks a small town just a mile or two away.
So what it must have been like standing at night with the only light being a dying campfire or little first time torch or perhaps nothing and no light anywhere on the whole planet interrupting the night sky. Our people must have set for hours in awe just mesmerized by the sight.
I assure you, academics know very well how dark it is without light pollution. That's why astronomic observatories are located in very remote places with as little light pollution as possible.
Maybe I misunderstand the English language but when you're at a remote place the sky is brighter at night not darker. If there are no clouds you don't need any other light source than the stars to follow a path for example. And if there's a full moon it's as bright as in the day but less colors.
I'm blue eyed and blue eyes have better night vision and I don't know how brown eyed experience a star lit night sky but this is how it is for me.
@@chrissibersky4617 He's saying that the 𝘯𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵 is darker sir.
What an awesome point - put so eloquently!
@@chrissibersky4617 Iam brown eye and use an filter, live in 8 skies.
There is a similar story in Norwegian mythology. The seven sisters of the troll king were chased by a hunter as well. The hunter shot an arrow after them. Another figure threw his hat in the way of arrow, saving the sisters. The hat fell and turned into the mountain, Torghatten. It has a hole in the middle of it. (Found along the coast of Helgeland, close to Brønnøysund). The sisters unfortuneately did not make it home before sunrise, and turned to stone. ‘The seven sisters’ just south of Sandnessjøen.
That someone came up with these cuz they saw mountains, what a creativity
I visited Norway last summer. Y’all have a strange fascination with trolls
@@jgamer2228 Their trolls aren't anything like the trolls most people think of.
@@erikseavey9445 lol
Veldig interessant. 🇳🇴 🙃 Takk.
In India, there's a story about 7 sisters making a constellation. They were called Kritikas. They were daughter's of the creator Brahma. They are also mentioned in the story of origin of Shiva's child, Kartikeya.
They are not kritika.. they are 7 Saptarshi.. lord shiva give knowledge to this 7 sages and told them to build civilization on earth from this 7 sages entire earth humans originated
I won my team a jeopardy game in high school knowing the 7 sisters connection to the Pleiades. Teacher: How did you know that?
There's a very similar story with many variation in the various North American First Nations. One goes like this: One day, seven little girls were playing at a distance from the village and were chased by some bears. The girls ran toward the village and the bears were just about to catch them when the girls jumped on a low rock, about three feet high. One of the girls prayed to the rock, "Rock take pity on us, rock save us!" The rock heard them and began to grow upwards, pushing the girls higher and higher. When the bears jumped to reach the girls, they scratched the rock, broke their claws, and fell on the ground.
The rock rose higher and higher, the bears still jumped at the girls until they were pushed up into the sky, where they now are, seven little stars in a group (The Pleiades). In the winter, in the middle of the night, the seven stars are right over this high rock. When the people came to look, they found the bears' claws, turned to stone, all around the base.
That rock is now what we call the "devils' tower" in Wyoming.
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This is the story i heard.
If I'm not mistaken, this is a native American story as well, except they are a mix of boys and girls from a small tribal village. There was nothing to do with a hunter, but the kids were doing a dance that was forbidden for them. They are taken up into the sky and turn into the 7 stars. Pretty amazing how these stories are told all over the world, even with the variations! Sorry I wrote this before I got to the part where you mention the story, briefly, LOL.
You're correct it's the Native American creation story of devils tower. Except where the hunter chasing them is a bear.
You’ve got that right. It was a legend of the mohawk people in southern Ontario. The children were punished for performing a sacred dance and honoring the creator because they have not been properly initiated yet.
Seven children or seven sisters from the star cluster where you can only see six with the naked eye. It would almost seem like our ancestors had greater technology than the modern paradigm gives them credit for. with that I’m gonna go outside and build some polygon or masonry walls for the new pyramid structure that we’re constructing. Oh wait never mind we don’t know how to do that yet lol
Also, Mato Tipila, Bear Lodge, Devil's Tower has connection to Pleiades...
There are several tribes who have this "sisters" myth... in various situations as creation of Pleiades
Lots of N.A. tribes have this 7 star motif, with a few even being young women fleeing something
I love this guy's cadence and rhythm it ebbs and flows is fluid then stops suddenly, i love listening to this!
Thank you for your kind words.
The Pleiades are collectively known in India as Krittika, the brave wise 7 sisters who were the wives of the seven extremely revered sages named the ‘Seven Rishis’ or ‘Seven Sages’. They were kind women who protected and foster cared for a warrior god Kartikeya (son of Shiva), The warrior story has come about probably due to the constellations shape as an axe or a sharp blade. In Indian astrology, if a person's birth time star arrangement falls in this constellation then it is said that he or she is likely to adopt a child. 😊
As for the group fo six stars in one place, and one star that is separated from the rest, the story goes that one sister was infatuated by God of Fire (Agni), so much that she ditched her own husband and allowed herself to be burnt and consumed by Agni's heat. She was casted away. But Brahma told her she is still immortal and will be associated with fire forver.
Her name is "Swaha" hence when Hindus perform religious fire rituals (Yagnya) they say "Swaha" when they make offerings to the ritual fire.
As for more popular use of that name in Indian culture, when Indians esp Hindus have to sarcastically describe something that is gone for good and cannot be recovered, we say "It's swaha!"
Thank you heaps. I was wondering about the Saptarishis and their link to the aboriginal people. Their wives was my missing piece. I also think Aboriginal people originated from somewhere in ancient India, possibly south, due to their distinctive physical appearance. Your insight into this is greatly appreciated.
@@ap2603 mostly likely either Australian natives get this belief tens of thousands years ago when they migrated or it's recent phenomenon when around 4600 years ago many peoples from Indian subcontinent somehow manage to migrate their again.
@kumarashura6621 That's correct. Misinformation has been passed down from generation to generation. However, the truth or more so the "works" of the saptarishis/shiva is manifesting itself like none other, especially in the last few years. Despite all the bad things happening, it's a great time to be alive.
So what was Jesus' Starsign?
And how many days later did he rise?
Why are we honouring an adultress
I think the fact that so many cultures refer to them as seven even though only six have been visible for 70,000 years is by far the most compelling evidence of a common origin. If the oral tradition was broken somehow, those stars would have lost their names, and been renamed something in line with the number now visible (IE "The Six Sisters"). The fact that all of these cultures knew there were 7 tens of thousands of years ago proves that they retain oral tradition from that long ago, when they shared a common location.
Nah it just spread around the world over the last thousands of years
Actually, no, 100 000 years ago homo sapiens mostly lived in Africa so that place might have just been Africa and told to children for the last thousands of years since the tribal ages.
oral tradition is highly effective and oddly underestimated, we all tell our stories many times even today, it's practically an instinctual habit for us to repeat important information, and we love telling people things they don't know, which is the best way for us to remember exactly how it was said.
@@dordlyWell said!
Or, it could be evidence of crude telescopes made using natural glass lenses earlier than galileo. Humans had to have noticed certain clear rocks can magnify things under them. Its not a stretch to think they may try looking through them at night. Humans arent stupid.
Nah, there is roughly 20% less stars visible now, than there were 10,000 years ago.
I was told a story about the 7 sisters when I was a kid, by an old creole man in south Louisiana. I wish I could remember the details but I wasn't even ten back then. He told me s bunch of wild stories about stars and trees and stuff. I always thought he was just making them up because they were so different than anything I've heard before. I wish I could get in touch with him and ask about it, but last I heard he's off grid somewhere in the woods of Mississippi lol
Sounds like a Hoodoo man..
@@ComptonWar more native American as far as his belief. But the dude was wild so I wouldn't put anything past him
This is one of the best compare and contrast videos I've seen about the Greek and Aboriginal Pleiades myth stories. It's so refreshng to see someone actually study and present the information in a genuine format instead of conspiracy theorist clickbait vids that are usually associated with things like these. Thank you for compiling a great video - you have a new Follower :)
Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment. It is appreciated.
Theres actually a street I know that's called the 'seven sister street' at Hong Kong! I've always felt like there's a story behind it but never knew what exactly it is. Thank you for your lovely explanation!
This story actually reminds me of a folktale from Java, Indonesia about 7 sisters that came down from heaven to take a bath on a lake on earth. A man named Jaka Tarub noticed them and tried to take a peek. He also found out that the sisters aren't human and used shawl to fly so he stole one of them. The sisters then found out and immediately scrambled but one sister can not fly because she lost her own shawl. Jaka Tarub then emerged then pretended just arrived so he helped her. He allowed this sister to stay at his house and after a long time they became a husband and wife, even had a baby. The sister eventually found her shawl hidden inside rice silo and, took it and left her husband and child, and never came back. No mention about stars though.
Some versions actually suggested that Jaka Tarub were a hunter while others only state that he was just a handsome man that collected woods when he found the sisters.
Thank you for sharing that, I enjoy reading these.
@@Crecganford No problem. Love to see that there is story from my country that has some similarities to world stories. Hope we can find more in your next findings.
this Indonesian version is surprisingly similar to a version of the Cowherd and the Weaver girl and some similar Japanese folktales, which all has this Swan-Maiden-Tale plot.
this also strangely fits with the Sandmans' Calliope story.
not nearly as ancient, of coruse, but what a lovely interweaving - intentional or otherwise.
this has nothing to do with pleiades. this story has 7 apsaras, celestial dancers, not biological sisters.
Modern man doesn't realize, since they live under a roof most of their lives, that the night sky was what people looked at all their lives every night it wasn't raining or too cold. One may regard it as the giant chalkboard above, or the giant TV above. Especially before civilized life in town and cities most every person lay down at night and looked up there maybe for hours. Not a reach to think that a movement, or dimming of a star would be noticed by almost all mankind. As they would be very very familiar with the stars and would spot a difference. Just as an old time fisherman who used landmarks to guide where he fished would notice if the tree that leaned out onto the beach, one of his landmarks was gone.
nice... it's also good to sleep outside when all the stars are out and clear. i was taught or somehow remember that sleeping under the stars without anything (like a roof or tent, i.e, e.t.c) over and between us, allows for the stars to calibrate our minds. the stars can align our minds to work and choose appropriately... kinda like ... well, a recalibration by the stars...
@JoaquinElf im generally curious , as I find this hilarious, but I am trying not to discredit what you've heard, did they tell you why?
Experienced that life
In the indigenous Tausug culture of the southern islands of the Philippines, the Seven winged sisters are known as the Biraddali (Vidhyadari in Sanskrit because we were Buddhists before converting to Islam after it's arrival.) A deer informed a man that in order to marry a Biraddali, he needs to hide one of their wings while they're bathing at the end of a rainbow. Consequently, Rainbow is also called Bahaghari which is a lot close to the word Biraddali as well.
I don't follow Greek mythology or the Australian tribesman and so on, 12 minutes 49 seconds in and I am blown away, where has this channel been I'm starting to find really interesting stuff, nicely told this 👍
Thank you.
It’s fascinating that the seven star name of this cluster outlived such a slow disappearance. You can imagine a more recent point, maybe in the Mesolithic, when people began missing the seventh star, only to have another person in their group squint and point out that you could just about see seven - and there follows the mythologisation of why the seventh is disappearing - hiding from the hunter, hiding in shame, caught by an earthly parent etc.
And it happens less and less often, but perhaps this transitional time allows the idea of the seventh star disappearing to take hold before someone can say, “you’re right, there’s clearly only six up there”.
Damn good point.
here in Aotearoa/New Zealand, Matariki became a national holiday this year (2022), recognizing the importance of this time to Maori - the indigenous people of Aotearoa. Matariki is the Māori name for the cluster of stars known to Western astronomers as the Pleiades. There are many legends about the star cluster Matariki; the most popular is that the star Matariki is the whaea (mother), surrounded by her six daughters. (some iwi/tribes have a mix of female & male sibling, some 7 stars, some 9). Matariki is/was an occasion to mourn the deceased, celebrate the present, and prepare the ground for the coming year
@Ксенія♡укр oh, so sorry for delay responding - been having technical difficulties
yes - absolutely - you are 100% correct - I'm very impressed - Matariki is absolutely like Maori New Year
these stars arise in June/July here - basically mid winter
Twinkling in the winter sky just before dawn, Matariki (the Pleiades) signals the Māori New Year.
For Māori, the appearance of Matariki heralds a time of remembrance, joy and peace. It is a time for communities to come together and celebrate.
"Traditionally, Matariki was a time to acknowledge the dead and to release their spirits to become stars.
It was also a time to reflect, to be thankful to the gods for the harvest, to feast and to share the bounty of the harvest with family and friends."
source - Te Ara - the Encyclopedia of Aotearoa / New Zealand
@Ксенія♡укр I completely, totally agree - becoming more attuned to natural cycles rather than just a date that feels like any other day (except for the many NYE hangovers the next days lol)
New Zealand
Thank you
Any stories around Halloween? Please
One of the most interesting things about the existence of such an early story, and really all stories, is the realization that humans will always ask “why?”. Really you could argue that asking “why?” is the most fundamental human trait, and that the impulse to do so is the origin of all stories.
- and it's vital for the self-proclaimed wise man to have an answer ready, and something more satisfying ready for the cleverest student, or as in the case of the seven sisters, the student with the best eyes in the village.
@@stevetheduck1425weird how they always converge on seven sisters turning into stars, though. I mean the number could obviously be derived _from_ the stars, but why sisters, or transfigured humans at all? Just seems too specific to be a product of trend.
@@tahunuva4254 For the same reason gods are human-like in all myths. We tend to anthropomorphise all natural phenomenons. There are thunders? There must be someone angry up there.
@@tahunuva4254 It'd make sense if there was a common source.
And as the story changed and morphed the central story about the 7 sisters largely remained the same.
These stories are so interesting. Human spirits have common origin and common experiences. Here in Nigeria the yuroba have story the same as Nordic people concerning the God of thunder,Known as Thor to northern people but known as Sango amongst the African yuroba people. Even the all father Odene has yuroba version called oduduwa. These personalities can be identified as the same because they all have the same chacteristic and the same roles in creations. Human spirit are united by common experiences represented differently by different cultures. Thank you for sharing your experience. All is One.
Thank you 🙏
There is also a story of seven sisters in China, which came from another older story that is one of the Four Great Folktales of China. The older story, the Cowherd and the Weaver Girl, can dates back to 700 BC, which was based on ancient astronomy, since the cowherd and the weaver girl are actually the two stars Altair and Vega. It tells about the young man persuing the girl who is the granddaughter of the heaven. Later it was mixed with the star worship of Chinese constellation of pleiades, and the weaver gril became seven sisters from heaven. To most people nowadays, these two are just two version of a same story, but some still see them as different, but the plots are mostly the same.
Thanks a lot for sharing, my mind is being blown reading all these comments sharing their cultural stories describing 1 shared phenomenon, just amazing.
Life during Pleistocene and Holocene were creative times for Human mind. When the life-giving Sun dips at Dusk, and the Moon, Planets/Gods, Stars govern the night sky - it definitely "wow'd" our ancestors the World over every night, and they gave these bodies in the sky stories and personifications. Throw in a comet and alignments, and the stories become quite dramatic.
Pleiades has always been the constellation I was drawn to like magnetism since I was a child, appreciate this Crecganford.
Not "were" because Holocene is still going on, unless you think there is an ANTHROPOCENE...
Thank you
And it sits at 33 degrees on the Zodiac marking the Jewish/ Celtic New Year in September, 7th month of the Zodiac. Pleaides is synonymous with Isis, making Orion Osiris
Wait until the stars and comets come to say hello again.
If u only knew the truth smh
Considering the mnemonic process used in First Nation Australian song lines it's quite plausible to conceive a transmission of sky lore over that expanse of 100,000 years.
The Pleidians seeded humanity and its so timely to bring our own knowing forward. Great video
Hi, maybe you like Gigi Young with het podcasts on aliens seeding life on earth. Idk- for me she representant a fascinating different version about the coming to be of us mortals Here on earth
This an exciting compilation of different stories across the globe and as a small token of my appreciation of this beautiful work done by you. I would love the make a contribution to this story with an Indian (Hindu) version of the story.
According to the epic Mahabharata, the stars of the Big Dipper were the seven sages called Rishis. These seven sages are said to be those who made the Sun rise and shine. They were happily married to seven sisters named Krttika. They originally all lived together in the northern sky.
But one day, the god of fire, Agni, emerged from the flames of an offering performed by the seven Rishis and fell in love with the seven Krttika. Trying to forget his hopeless love for the Krttika, Agni wandered in the forest where he met Svaha. To conquer Agni’s love, Svaha disguised herself as six of the seven Krttika. Svaha could mimic only six of the Krttika because the seventh sister Arundhati was too devoted to her husband to be imitated.
After a while, Svaha gave birth to a child that she named Skanda. With his birth, rumors began to spread that six of the Rishis’ wives were his mother. Six of the Rishis divorced their wives. Arundhati was the only one that remained with her husband as the star Alcor. The other six Krttika went away to become the Pleiades.
Thank you for sharing your story, I enjoyed reading that.
Wow
As a beginning amateur astronomy-photographer, I also made some pictures of M45 Pleiades. The distinction between Pleione and Atlas is rather clear at those exposures, albeit that Pleione is less bright than Atlas and may therefore be less resolved to the naked eye, becoming a blur together with Atlas.
It is Alcyone, the brightest star in the Pleiades cluster, that "swallows" nearby stars, but my exposures show them resolved from one another. And I did not even have to look at telescope exposures for this. My latest photo of the Pleiades is from my Nikon DSLR camera on a tracking mount, using a standard 24-120mm zoom-lens. I made a series of 134 exposures in a row, each 30 seconds long. My goal was to see the blue nebulae around the stars, but this exposure series was not long enough, so I only got the stars, but well resolved from one another, as far as the optics allow for it.
I have listened to this several times, it’s amazing how it’s a story from almost the beginning of time, I’m in my 70,s now & with my experience of life……Pleione (the seventh sister) was the family scapegoat so she backed away from her sisters
I would really like to see more of this kind of presentation: very well thought out, not unrealistic as many are, interesting without being trite, and of academic quality. Thank you. Keep up the good work.
Thank you.
Well said. Outstanding presentation. Reasonable AND well-reasoned. And the response is deservedly robust. Just look at the comments. Shows how many people from around the world have enjoyed reading, sharing and remembering. Sir, you have done something special: you have awakened many viewers.
It's interesting because my tribe (Choctaw) has this story as well - which is actually the reason why I clicked on it. Because my tribe descends from the mound building civilization, my assumption is that other tribes that also descend from the mound builders might also have it (chickasaw, muskogee, houma, yuchi, hochunk, caddo, osage, etc). Tribes that aren't mound builders (such as the Cherokees) but are now adjacent to mound building descended tribes might also now hold this story too.... and the tribes we used to have dealings with back in the day precontact like the Mohawk and Six Nations. I'm not 100% on that tho, but that's my theory since we did share quite a bit in pre contact times AND the mound building cities were great sites of trade in goods, ceremony, and ideas. In addition to the story of the 7 sisters and the hunter, cosmologically, I believe the belief is also that you pass through either them or Orion's belt to journey on to the after life.
There has some similar beliefd about the pathways to Heaven, in some African religions. These beliefs must be pretty old, given that the earliest written records of such religious beliefs dates back to the Old Kingdom period of ancient Egypt, if not even since much earlier in the Pre-Dynastic period.
Cahokia was a HUGE metropolitan center. I’m sure we shared more than a few stories.
That’s super interesting! By any chance, does your tribe have any stories of giants?
Totally unrelated but i just notcied, I'm Cree, my friends and family would call Muskogee 'bad medicine' I know the Cree warred with plenty of other people. I wonder if we encountered natives from the USA and had a bad experience.
@@ptolemeeselenion1542 kemet was prior to egypt.
"Zeus liked to get around a bit" xD Understatement of the year. Thank you for these videos
Ive been with you for several years, my friend. I am ready for this. I go back and watch your older videos at times. Not really keeping track of days, but nearly 4 months clean now;)
Dud it on my own, as i always new i would.
Thank you for everything and always being transparent
I think I should remake some of my old videos, the quality of my production is so poor… but I must also thank you for watching me on my journey, and staying! I hope your journey takes you to where you want to be.
"it is known that those academics are NOT hopeless romantics." Didn't see this one coming and had such a good burst of laughter! 😂😂😂
Consider also the amount of dust in the air from volcanoes leading to poor crops. When the sisters are clear we say it's going to be a good year, when hidden we say a bad year.
Thank you for watching and your thoughts, it is a ppont
Well, were the sisters hidden?
About a year and a half ago I did a school project on this! We were supposed to set up a stage for a hypothetical play about a myth, and I chose this one.
Hail Rudra the Hunter
In New Zealand we call the constellation Matariki, the 7 stars/ sisters. We have a holiday called Matariki Day.
I really love these old stories, especially the old Pleiades story's.
I came to think of the native American people. They must have stories abaut the 7 sisters to, it culd be so interesting to here these stories to.
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I love the exploration of Dreamtime! I teach Middle Schoolers so I can't go in depth as I like--their minds still get fixated on "Did this story really happen?" not "What can this story tell us about the humans who told it?" So I appreciate getting to stretch my mind a little further with videos like these. 🙂
Decades of the 'trust the experts' mentality stripped children of their critical thinking and natural curiosity, IMO. In a lot of ways human science and curiosity has been severely clamped down by the dogma of 'authority' figures, so it's only natural over time through our own behavior that kids would be more worried about the 'authenticity' of such a story rather than the actual material of the story itself. People think they need permission to think outside of conventions these days.
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@@shadow7988 Trust comes with understanding. Of course you should not believe them just because of seniority. However, you can show children and adults how the scientific method works and why you can rely on its ability to improve knowledge. It's not so much about opinion (mainly when interpreting results) than it is about facts and how you gain factual evidence.
@@Astro-Markus If only it were that simple, but the reality is that it is not. Scientific consensus is a non-existent concept. It's literally NEVER been true at any point in human history. Over the last hundred years alone we've rewritten our understanding of gravity three times and invented matter and energy that has absolutely no physical evidence of any sort but is held up as gospel rather than re-examining our existing physics models(I am of course talking about dark matter/energy, which have less proof at this point than UFO's and ball lightning).
The sad reality is you can't really trust anything you can't replicate and test on your own. Scientist or not, they're still human and prone to error and malfeasance. Covid is probably the best recent example of that, you can't blame people for not trusting the 'experts' when the 'experts' will bend or fabricate data for the sake of corporations and governments. Turns out even scientists have bills to pay, and care more about the paycheck than actual 'science'.
@@shadow7988 I totally disagree. It is actually the strength of the scientific method it can lead to a paradigm shift. It is not dogmatic. Scientific consesus is not a democratic tool. It is always about evidence. It's the best you can do. If you follow the scientific method everyone will come to the same conclusion given the evidence at hand. It may change with new evidence. This is how science works.
In ancient Egypt, the Star Cluster we call the Pleiades was know as "The Celestial Heard" and were an import part of the system of timekeeping and a seasonal marker. ... In the ancient Egypt seven goddesses, represented by seven cows, composed the celestial herd that provides the nourishment to her worshippers. This herd is observed in the sky as a group of stars, the Pleiades, close to Aldebaran, the main star in the Taurus constellation.
Beautiful story !!
Herd
Oh! So that is the reason for the seven cows that Pharao dreams of in the Book of Genesis, where Joseph interprets the dream.
Quite similar to the kalenjin tribe in kenya this constellation was known as Koromenik , and its appearance signified an abundant harvest.A harvest seasonal marker
@@sen5i I've heard of cows.
Many years ago when i was a teenager i had one of those dreams that one doesn't forget.
The first part of the dream was of a massive stellar "explosion" (best way i can describe it) where countless stars were emanating from some source?
The second part of the dream was of a star cluster that i came to realize were the Pleiades.
In the dream i (or someone) was singing 🎶 Seven stars across the sky 🎶 to the tune of the refrain of "Cowgirl In the Sand" by Neil Young (i just dated myself 😁) and i awoke singing it.
Thanks for the video 👍
Wow!
I absolutely love your format. Thank you so much for your work.
A very similar story is told by the Lakota, the Kiowa and other first nations of North America, who link the Pleiades and/or the Big Dipper to the volcanic rock formation called by the Lakota 'Mato Tipila' (the house of the Bear) aka Devil's Tower, Wyoming.
The one that looks like a giant tree stump, interesting
It's amazing how prior to monotheism spreading like a plague from the middle east, pretty much everyone on the planet had a shared religion.
Wow, that could seemingly indicate a much earlier entry into North America than originally thought? Around the time of Out of Africa. The First Nations learned that story before they entered the Americas?
Kiowa call The Devils Tower “Tso’eye”. The tower represents a wood stump the Creator made giant to keep seven sisters from a bear scratching up the stump as it grew.
The girls became the Big Dipper stars. The bear is considered a brother for the Kiowa because he was warned to not mock the beast as it transformed him.
I think the biggest issue with these "oldest stories" is that at some point, it would seem natural that a story would have dissolved or changed beyond recognition. A story surviving 100000 years? It's insane to think about. But then when you consider it again; this is a very basic story, the storyline is not very complicated, and most importantly, every night would have given them a visual reminder of the story. I think when you realize this it's easy to see how a story could have survived so well for so long, when this was shown every night on the night sky. I'm sure the children or teenagers would sit and listen to their parents tell them the stories of the night sky, and it would not be surprising to me if such a simple narrative in such a prominent constellation would be easy to remember and easy to retell for generations and generations ...
@UCsNBHrSOY3rPH8SMgziOjxg or maybe it is just a good story, where the details have changed over time, but where the night sky is a constant reminder. I don't think we need to put any added emphasis on the importance of it, especially since it is not actually SUPER *important* in all the cultures. Islam has a myth, the Greeks had a myth .. but in none the point seems very significant. It could just be an explanation for a constellation which can be seen all over the earth, and which then would get passed down. Of course it wasn't just a boring story; it would have to have had a good body of detail and such, like any good story, but those would obviously not be kept in place. I agree it's persisent and widespread, but so are the stars. Widely visible and obviously persistent, coming in every night.
Yeah, but myths are allegory's of psychological processes going on within the psyche, they are eternal truths. There's only one story world-wide really, just expressed through the filter of different cultures.
@@mcnowski no, that's too simplistic. Some myths don't have psychological motifs. Some are meant to teach or warn, for example. Some are just good stories, and some attempt to explain the natural world or depict/remember historical events. Saying all myths depict a psychological process is just as oversimplifying as saying they are all interpretations of the natural forces of the world. Some are. Some aren't.
Maori before the written word would memorise the spoken word exactly.
If Maori of NZ couldn’t remember the story being passed down and would deviate in word well reciting there history in story,
That person would have all of the holes in the body sown up.
Sew the mouth eyes ears punishment before death ensuring the Maori value memory and history
ITS LESS THAN 3000 YEARS
Fascinating!! I love stories such as these! Thank you, Craig!
I love your channel, it has given me a lot of story ideas over the past couple of years.
I love the idea of culture retaining stories that are potentially as old as African dispersal. I would love more videos covering these sort of myths
I will do my best, and thank you for watching, and for leaving a comment. It all helps!
That's ~50k years before we wiped out all other human species.
Before we left Africa, Neanderthals and Denisovans ruled Eurasia, and still some homo erectus and homo floresiensis (hobbit) were left.
What I really want to know is if the stories of trolls, gnomes, hobbits, dwarves and etc were based on real encounters with out evolutionary cousins when we conquered Eurasia.
We lived side by side with Neanderthals and Denisovans for at tens of thousands of years in some areas, all apparently within the time span our cultural memory.
The original story, the bible comes from our oldest relatives.
@@TheDredConspiracy Yeah, I doubt much will come of this. It would need some serious evidence that is doubtful if we ever find it, considering how sparse evidence is of that time. Nonetheless I think it is useful to think about, to put into context how old some of these stories really are.
And in the end, it's not like Neanderthals and Denisovans are entirely separate from us, they are our ancestors too, after all. (at least for some of us)
@@Embassy_of_Jupiter I don't think that's out of the realm of possibility. The way populations traveled, news about other types of people was likely shared around campfires, as well as explanations about why they were different. As an example, I believe that Homo floresiensis was around when other groups were moving across the region (50kya +/-). In addition, our modern genetics for most populations show neanderthal and denisovan DNA, as well as others in some cases. It's so wrong to think about how long ago people we could identify with were living across the continents. Puts the last 500yrs in perspective.
This is why the burning of the Library of Alexandria was such a monumental tragedy. So much ancient history destroyed, perhaps including the original writings of the seven stars.
Divide the world's Circumference by six and get 6,666. Divide the number of seconds in a day by 400 and get 216, 2160 is the length of an astrological age. The Moon is 400 times smaller than the sun, which is 864,000 miles wide, just like there are 86,400 seconds in a day. The planet orbits the Sun at 108,000 km/hr or 66,600 miles an hour.
If we divide the angled side of the Pyramid (186.6 x 100 = 18,660) by 21.6 we get 863.8, plus .2 is 864. The base of the Pyramid minus the height is also Pi times 100, and Al Nitak follows Sirius past the King's Chamber in 100 minutes.
If we divide the height by Euler's number we get the square root of Pi, times 2 is 354, the number of days in 12 lunar months.
If we divide the diameter of the Sun by 6 we get 144,000
The hands of our 24 hr clock go around 60 times 60 times 10, which is 36,000, the number of Arc degrees in one second times 10, which means each second is one 360th of a circle, times 100.
This shows that the Star of David was used as a kind of calculator to devise time and do complex equations using a hexadecimal system. The Egyptian number of perfection is 100, we divide 400 by 100 to get 4, we divide 600 by 100 we get 6. 4/6 is equal to 2/3 and 3/9, all of which have a ratio of 66.666666666, by which they can divide the Horizon down to seconds, and thus navigate the globe knowing both its dimensions and be able to make accurate maps.
86,400 ÷ 400 is 216
216 x 2 is 432
432 + 216 is 684
432 x 2 is 864
So rather than divide 864,000 by 2160, they divide 86,400 by 216, which is 400, rather than 40,000. This means a Megalithic Clock would go around 40 times, with each second broken down into tenths. 6 times 6 times 10; 3600. 400 ÷ 6 is 66.66666
These numbers all divide into each other. Half of 216 is 108, just as the Earth orbits the Sun at 108,000 km/hr. The interior angles of a regular Pentagon are also 108, and the interior angles of a Star of David add up to 1,440, times 100 is 144,000. Half of 108 is 54.
It takes 360 Full Moons to span the night sky Horizon to Horizon, 720 total, 72 times 3 is 216. 6 x 6 x 6 x 4 = 864
Which means a full moon is equivalent to 300 seconds, or 5 minutes, meaning 2 Full moons per 10 minutes. This means seconds represent tenths of the Moon, a Minute (6 times 10 times 10) being 2 Full Moons or 1 degree of arc. Multiply the Moon's diameter by 18.6, the number of years in a Metonic Cyle, and get 40,175, the diameter of the Earth plus 100. 40,000 times 100 is 4,000,000, the Earth's circumference in meters.
Multiply 18.6 by 2150 (actual diameter of the Moon) and you get 39,990, just 10 km short. This means they measured the Earth with the Orbit of the Moon, and based their metrics off of the Full Moon, cubing and squaring it to find the relationships between the heavenly bodies. Half of the Pyramid's base equals one 86,400th of the Earth's Circumference. Divide the Base by the height and get Pi. The height of the Great Pyramid times 43200 equals the Polar Circumference of the Earth.
Also the Circumference of the Base of the Great Pyramid times 43200 equals the Equatorial Circumference of the Earth.
An equilateral Triangle formed within the face of the Great Pyramid is 6,666 inches along each side, it represents one half of the Star of David, 720 degrees, as above so below, so we double it, 1440 ÷ 6 is 240, the number of hours on a clock times ten. 24 being 6 x 4, combining both ratios of of Sun and Moon, hence Solomon. The Pyramid itself is Squaring the Circle, by reducing the proportions of the cosmos to squares and roots based on Phi and Pi and Euler's number as a ratio to feet, and the Star of David is what allows them to do it, like a proto Antikythera mechanism.
I can't say if they went to hundredths of a second, because I'm not even that much of a mathematician (magician) but they definitely did tenths, and it equates to the same nautical metrics we use today.
Enoch also buries 36,525 scrolls, the number of days in a year, times 100. Oh by the way, this shows that our current measure of time is based on the principle of 1/6, the basis of an Egyptian Royal Cubit, but first they built the first ring at Stonehenge, which is 100 metres (330 ft) wide, with an area of 2160 square feet, a Cube's interior angles also add up to.. 2160
This produces a Calendar of 60 6 day weeks plus five. Every 4th year a 366th day makes exactly 61 weeks.
This means every 216 years this calendar produces 1 extra day, so after 648 years 3 days must be removed. This is when the Phoenix arrived, and stepped onto the Alter of Ra or Holy Grail, completing the Metonic cycle and bringing the Calendar back into sync with the first New Moon of the Spring equinox. The Capstone of the Pyramid is even called the Benben Stone, the Egyptian Phoenix is called the Bennu. It likely relates to Deneb, in Ophiuchus, the 13th Starsign of the Zodiac. The base of the Pyramid is exactly 13 Acres, as is Teotihuacan, because they share the exact same base dimensions.
Such a location would be ideal for calculating the speed of light using the transit of Venus. Incidentally the Great Pyramid's Latitudinal coordinates are the speed of light.
1440 ÷ 108 = 13.333333
11 and 3 are the most sacred Celtic numbers of royalty, and also happen to be the proportions of the Earth to the Moon, and the Great Pyramid.
The starsigns also precess 1 degree every 72 years
72 x 3 is 216
2160 ÷ 648 is 3.3333333
The Aztec Calendar also begins with a double transit of Venus, in 3116BC.
This whole code can be encoded into a single Pythagorean Triangle of Dimensions 666 by 630, by 216, this is the Key of Solomon, 33 is the inverse of 66.
100 is the "perfect number" because it represents 10 6 unit metrics times 10 6 unit metrics, a unit being 6.66
ie 60 x 60 (3600) the number of Arcdegree seconds in a second, or a one second unit on a clock the size of Earth
This means seconds represent 10ths of the Moon; 216, or 6 x 6 x 6 (100 ÷ 6 ÷ 6 = 2.7): Euler's number, and the number of feet to a Megalithic Yard, 3/11 is .27 and the number of days in a sidereal month is also 27.
11/3 is 3.66, the number of days in a Canicular leap year, the character of Thoth, Cuchulainn, and Kukulkan, the Dog Star, and star by which the Sothic (Seth) Calendar is determined. Thoth was the Son of Seth, who is portrayed as a Serpent. 3 x 11 is 33, the years in a Great Solar Return. As the Sun and Moon inhabit respective house of the Zodiac they animate the character within, playing out the dramas and battles we know as myths, for example the Moon traveling through each of the Zodiac houses each month, for a grand total of... 144 (12 x 12)
Metatron/Enoch/Echnaton/Arkenaten's Cube is 13 circles in a Star of David:
13 x 360 is 4680
4680 ÷ 216 is 21.666..
4680 is an inversion of 8640, or 6840, just as Trump owes China a Billion dollars ($1,000,000,000)
For 1290 Avenue of the Americas. And has a tax haven at 1209 North Orange St Delaware, and was elected in 2016.
2016 + 144 is 2160
His Penthouse was built on the 66th floor of 666ft Trump Tower, his best friend Epstein "died" aged 66.6 years old.
The Great Pyramid is the Tower of Babel, built for Pharoah so he could meet the God of Moses. Babel is the old name for Cairo, and also means English. Anglo comes from Ankh, which means to bend, or Angle. Iberia and Hebrew have the same root, meaning Over, as in over seas, as in the Phoenicians, Celts, and Iberians that ruled the Maritime world, the Sea Peoples.
Israel is the Phoenician word for Saturn, or El, Fruit of Isis and Ra.
It's in the name. Just like Tyre means Rock, and sat just offshore from Urshu Shalom, City of the New Moon, the root word of Jerusalem. Tyre was also the primary center of (Free) Masonry in the Bronze Age, the only comparable site is Thebes in Egypt.
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Thank you.
The unusual thing about the pleiades is that when you look directly at them. They’re a bit obscured. But if you look slightly to one side or the other and try to focus on another star 💫 in the same region, they will light up like someone flipped a light switch on. I’ve never noticed any other star 🌟 constellations that have such an interesting effect.
That's mainly to do with the optics in your eyes and the location of different receptors in your retina. Look up information on day/night vision.
It appears to me that this is just one of possibly hundreds of mythological tales, where many aspects of the basic tale are the same. It is proof that we humans, going back over the 30,000 years, are all more alike than most are willing to believe.
Apparently, many of our ancestors looked up into the stars, and from various regions of the earth saw the similar stories.
It's kinda beautiful, really.
This isn't the only story humans all have in common, either. The great flood is kind of puzzling to me, has been for decades.. but has become more intriguing as I'd learned of one culture having a similar "great flood" tale.. then another, then another.
I believe more looking, connecting, learning, sharing.. we could be on the verge of learning about our connected past.
I really hope we are 💝☯️🍀☮♾.
Look up Jonathan Pageau for some great insight into the flood myth.
We were sharing stories much earlier than 30,000 years ago. I know of an Aboriginal story that tells of a time before Aboriginal people cooked their meat. Well, it's believed we have been cooking food from well before 100,000 years ago, maybe even 200,000 years ago. This story is going way back into the very early parts of human history.
I grew up with the Cherokee & Iroquois 7 sister stories. I knew of the Russian, Chinese, Greek & several others stories about this grouping of stars. Isn't it amazing how one group of stars is so important world wide to all our ancestors. Especially when there was no light pollution, thus we could see eons more stars. Now add the "We came from the stars" stories also told world wide, add religious texts like the bible, that angels slept with human women... Add the missing link & the speculation some event jumped humans into our present form. Definably a thing to ponder, long, many hours, days of pondering.
Hi. The bible is a mix of stories from around the world, which were a bit reshaped. Its not useful to anyone. So many say that what was done în the name of God was just unrelated with what the bibl has to say. But if you look closely at it , it only instills fear , hatred and separation. Oh...its full of lies. The apocalipse for one thing is the viking myth Ragnarok twisted around. Angels în this case might literally mean aliens. Many believe that there are similar looking species out there and native tribes în America admit having regular contact with them. There are many stories around the world about gods that mingled with our women. But those gods mightve been aliens with some powerful tools that made it seem like they were gods. Anywho, I suggest not taking Bible seriously at all. Look around at " ancient cultures rather than the bible. I know its false, I just know it. It brought me much suffering and it has done the same all around the world.
This reminded me I graduated and my gpa made me the one to have to give the speech. I did t want to give a speech. But they basically told me I had to use the word ponder. Lol I’m like what. Why. But thanks for reminding me and I agree. !! Can’t see the sky at all.
The pyramid shaped mounds next to the face on mars align to the Pleiades.
Makes you wonder why "they" don't want us to see the stars above, doesn't it? Light pollution is a global problem.
You are a master at story telling and capturing the attention
Thank you so much.
I live in a town in Healesville Australia and there are 7 hills that represent this belief, I grew up with the Wurundjeri people of which my best mate from pre-school onwards is a clan member.The Wurundjeri are not a single clan though they are a collection of groups spanning a massive area, I feel honoured to have grown up with these stories.If you're willing to look into an amazing bloke William Barak, his story is incredible.
Hello friend from the Yarra Valley! It’s crazy to see someone in the comment section who is near my home town haha Hope you are well!
@@Grace-jh1yc Hi hope you are well, it's a small world
Shout out to my Wurundjeri brothers and sisters still keep all of the rivers and water catchments clean to this day. All through natural and sustainable methods thousands of years old.
I literally can drink from my local river without getting sick. Also Ricketts sanctuary is my fave place to go mushroom and bug hunting(i only look and take photos DW its not my land)
Thanks for the informative link. History is important. Especially now
Reading this from Melbourne town on the merri creek. ❤
Even if the stories do not share a common origin, it’s astounding that this memory of there being 7 stars in the system has been preserved in myth the world over.
Yes, I do feel this is a very old motif, for it is so very common and worldwide.
It’s very interesting and seriously intriguing. Paul Wallis also talks about this star system. Very in-depth research could happen here. If we can. Lol.
YOU CAN SEE ALL SEVEN WITH THE NAKED EYE. The seventh appears in your peripheral vision, if you just look a little to the left. This is EXACTLY as it would have been for our ancestors. This idea that the seventh was "lost" to us, or that they could somehow see it better, is HOGWASH.
@@jeremysmetana8583 Light pollution (and particle pollution)
Like many stories, if we were to suddenly lose our way, those stories would arise again, because they are grounded in nature, in place and in environment.
Love the concept of ‘dreaming’ thank you for this information
I had a migraine prior to clicking on this video and halfway thru I realized it was gone! 😂🎉 thank you & great story!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Wow, I remember reading a Native North American story like this (maybe Blackfoot? I don't remember). But the seven sisters were running from a flea, who wanted to marry them. To escape they turned into stars. Amazing how this story was either re-invented or has a common root before humans spread out. I personally think it was re-created, especially given the Pleiades being a point of inspiration.
Yes, it shows VERY convincingly that they have a common root. And the various versions I've heard people here claim from all kinds of different cultures are all actually strikingly similar and all essentially contain the same general set of crucial elements.
In all the stories, they are 7 relatives (showing relation, most often sisters), often directly representing Pleiades, or it is just one woman that might represent them as a collective, if they're not just assumed to already be here when the story starts, they are here for a reason related to vitality (to bathe, to marry, to save themselves from danger), they are either chased or tricked into staying while here, and they escape into the Heavens but most often something is left behind on Earth. Usually something that integrates into this world in some form.
I'd say it's a pretty consistent story, all important elements considered. I wonder what symbolic representations can be found in the elements held in common with these stories. That is probably the key to understanding what this ancient shared story is trying to tell us.
Oh wow, in Indonesia we have this other version. The man is called Jaka Tarub and yes he's a hunter, and one day he met the 7 angels in the woods, but in this story, the difference is one of the angels cannot run because the hunter stole her wings. The 6 others just left her to save themselves, and they fly to the heavens.
Thank you for sharing this.
Wow, that's cold. What happened to her? Yikes.
@@kirstencorby8465 It's an old story. I'm Indonesian, and I too heard it when I was a kid. If my memory serves me right, they finally got married. While lost her ability to fly, the wife still retains some kind of supernatural power to help with their daily lives. Later on, the wife found her stolen shawl (her means to fly) and left her human husband to return to the sky.
How am I only just finding this channel now! Thank you, I've subscribed.
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Romantic that I am, I've always wondered why there are asterisms that hold more wonder than others. The Pleaides has been that for me, I've been fascinated with those particular stars since I was little. Sometimes I wonder if our DNA retains some ancestral memory kept locked in our subsconscious to things like specific stars or a place. That memory keeps a fire of awe and wonder alive.
Thank you for all your effort and work to tie the relevant information from across the ages together, it's wildly fascinating what myths have commonality from seemingly disparate people and places.
Thank you for your commenting such thoughtful words, and for watching the video.
I named my daughter Adelaide even though I had never been there. I'm 11th generation Canadian and don't know why I feel so drawn to Australia
Our DNA does contain these ancestral memories. It's how I uncovered the story of the 7 Mothers in the Akan story, which I did not hear about in the video.
I love this content about the oldest possible stories
Thank you, it was very enjoyable to make too.
Oldest story is eve taking the evil sacrament of wine from the Assyrian with a snake sock puppet on his arm . 2 oldest sayings in the world are ... nothing new under the sun .... I heard it through the grape vine ... the later is how eve got man its agency by being given the choice to learn a good religion from God and an evil religion was taught to her through the grape vine by the Assyrian. The first also is religious
Rita Louise wrote a book about common mythology about 10 years ago called ET Chronicles. She mentioned that one possibility as to why there are variances like you mentioned between the Greeks and the Australian myths is that some cultures may decide to emphasize certain parts over others from the original story for whatever reasons. The parts they do not emphasize may fade from memory in one culture even though the other culture finds it to be an key part. (Its been 10 years, i don't remember the exact line)
Yes - you have proved your own point perfectly. You retained the knowledge important to you in this case.
'Through the Dreamtime there's so much she has seen...'
*SICK DIDGERIDOO RIFF*
The problem is, although even a child can spot the three stars in a row, that child needs to be told that it's a belt on a hunter, or else she will come up with some other configuration entirely. I didn't see it that way at all as a kid. I saw the three stars as a crown, the supposed sword that others have since pointed out to me as a king's beard, and the overall image (ignoring half of Orion and adding on a bunch of other stars to the left) as a lounging king, leaning on one elbow, and pointing with the other arm towards a very bright star. So I would argue that if many different cultures see the same belted man running in the opposite direction of my lounging king constellation's pointing, they most probably have all been passing down the same story and reinforcing the image of Orion rather than my lazy king.
În Lakota star knowledge, David Little Elk says that people have been around wayyyy longer than we think and that ancestors were around even when Pangea was a continent. His ancestors hâd stories from back then, they knew things not even scientists today know about Earth, stars and more. So, way back, people could mingle more. So, they had the similar stories, and some în time changed them to harmonize with their way of life. Yes, there are many things scientists dont even share with us, they tell lies based on what their bosses say. Who pays for the studies? Well, government.. Anywho, în the begining we all hâd the same colour skin and after the breakup of continents, în time, our bodies changed, and so did our cultures and way of living. But we are one nation, one specie and we are amongst the worst species. We can be amazing but we keep chosing useless stuff. Sorry for the long comment. I wish you and everyone else all the best.
While I was living in Australia, I could often count as much as 12 stars in Pleiades. In Europe and USA, with the same eyes, I could see only 7 (although knowing where the others were from my Australian experience, I could later guess the location of the others).
Here in norway i can go outside straight from my lit up living room and count 8 stars with no problem. At my location light polution are not a problem.
@@johnanderson3022 I perceive it as a sort of a chariot (like Ursa major). Four stars in a bent row, the two in the middle have the wheels underneath. Which makes six. And then, the last on has a little star behind like a handle. Which makes it seven (I live 30km south of Prague).
That's light pollution for yah.
@@dudeistpreist5721 can't be just that: the cultures that created the story didn't have the light pollution. I was always seeing very well to distance, that's one thing; second, by "as much as 12" I mean, the extra stars (say the last three or four) were there more in side vision than directly observable, because they are more like nebulae, the dust shines around them. Also, when we look at the picture here in the video, the seven sisters are apart of their parents, so we have 7+2=9 stars altogether. This is confusing, because when I described the four stars in a bent row in my above post, the first left star is Atlas with Pleione in one. So when I look at it here in Europe (I am lucky to live outside of the city, so the pollution isn't that bad), when I say I see 7 stars now, that means Atlas plus six.
I'm 37 now and my whole life until this summer, i thought the pleiades was the little dipper... 6 stars. Vancouver island Canada
I just started my journey a few months ago, although my whole life as an adult was one, and I am happy to see that the shitty algorithm once in a while hands me a candle, and as I put light to it, it gives me back a lot of enlightning. I hope that further videos from this channel will remain worthy enough to join my trip. Thank you.
And to all readers : fight for your rights! Greed destroys characters. The whole system lies to you. Go and find Morpheus 😜
Another candle for you, your light is not for showing off. It’s for shining :) Have fun, good luck. Enjoy the game.
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Thank you so much for the fascinating ideas, excellent wiring and sense of humor!!
The Prometheus saga has its equivalents in so many ancient traditions all over the place. I personally believe that Orion represents that Prometheus figure as well. Fire in one hand, chained to the side of a mountain, with a crow pecking at his liver every night.
I believe that all of our main mythological motifs are a combination of astrological vistas and suitable moralistic teachings
Great video, thanks for uploading! The oldest visual depiction of the Pleiades finds itself actually in Lascaux Cave in France, where their characteristic shape is painted over the shoulder of the bull. I really recommend Randall Carlson's video on Halloween tradition, where he explores this topic.
I didn't say that because I wasn't sure if there was academic consensus on this, but I am very happy to believe it is. Thank you.
The stars' relationship to the bull is very interesting to me. I have often wondered how the constellations first developed because, to my uneducated eyes, the groups of stars look nothing like what they represent.
I'm sure the stars meant much more to the ancient peoples - they would have been a significant aspect of the night back then.
Thankyou for sharing I always found Randall's work interesting and I haven't seen his new stuff. I'll make sure to check it out!
Carlson is like Hancock. A very convincing fraud
I’m so touched deeply in your analysis, the sacred of number 7 is endlessly inspiring, based on this amazing story. I wonder if there more stories or legends that are related,,,, please share.
Thank you for sharing this knowledge 🙏🌟
My goodness it is world wide upon reading many comments
It must be ancient indeed when humanity was much much smaller and unilaterally known 🤔
Super cool thanks for the upload 😀
Another great episode!! Thank you!
I have lived in remote Australia with First Nations people for 26 years. These stories are so familiar as are others,that it almost certainly means that the stories have deep histories that predate the travel out from Africa and thus have a common history.
First Nations Australians had contact with others from outside this continent way before Cook especially those in the west and north.
David, I too am Australian, but with no experience with 1st Nation People. People before Cook would Include Dutchies and a pom or two at the cape. AND maccassions, (4 or5 thousand years ago?) Are you aware of others ? The great antiquity suggested here loses me.
@@neddyladdy the history of first persons is thought to be over 70,000 years nowadays. There are stories of the seas rising after the last ice age only about 25,000 years ago. They’ve cross checked stories, songs etc with seabed cores and proven they’re accurate.
Yes Europeans collided with the west coast and SE Asians with the northern coast. There are petroglyphs on the Burrup peninsula which show ships and what have interpreted as ‘Chinese’ costumes.
We know of the extensive trade routes within Australia, there’s no reason the trade routes wouldn’t exist with seafarers along the coastal regions.
The similarity of the stories seem to indicate some common ancestry and if the ‘7 sisters’ came out of Africa then people could’ve seen them as 7 sisters that long ago.
@@davidlodge681 Yeah, I mostly agree with what you've said, but the Burrup Peninsular I did not know, Thanks
Research Amrucu north America....may be one of the first inhabitants were feathered serpents...This is the land of...
@David Lodge seven sisters may just be the 7 continent's ....
Myths are closer to the truth than many can comprehend.
Must break down the ori jinn of the words....meanings
Crecgarford I made comment about the apparent similarities between various world wide stories about the constellations of Orion and the Pleiades in response to your Cosmic Hunt video. You responded by saying you intended to take a deeper look at this. Well you did, and I really appreciate your work. Apart from what I have learned from your work, the comments made by my fellow viewers are amazingly insightful as well.
I do want to do this, although I can't promise when, but it is on my list of videos to make. Thank you.
When Dreamtime comes again, as it does fairly regularly, men do feel an urge to chase women, and women feel an urge to run from men. It has been some time since last Dreamtime was at a peak, so modern people do not understand this. They think that men and women just kind of roll around the place all over each other, but in Dreamtime, strong loves are formed. Men show dedication, and women test them to see if they can last.
The seven sisters were changed into stars in the same way that Daphne changed into a laurel tree, when Apollo chased her. I like to think the seventh sister is missing, because from the earliest telling of the stories, it was known that one day there would only be six sisters up there, as humanity evolved to a condition where they would eventually learn the value of handling relationships with maturity, and determination to succeed, so the seventh sister would not wish to hide as a star, but would wish to marry the man. Fingers crossed that is this time. Humanity is supposed to be quite intellectually advanced this time, so in theory, they should be able to learn the principles behind strong societies and unions.
The water and ice stuff is right up Wim Hof's alley. He'd appreciate the value in that aspect of the old myth. It is valuable. They've been trying to explain it to us for millennia, but humanity just keeps falling back into ignorance, over and over again.
To think that tens ofthousands of years these stories have survived, and I had never heard of this. Thankyou for sharing. I will now pass it on.
the asterism of the Pleiades is quite unique, in how it appears on the sky. their proximity and colour means they're one of the few groups of naked eye stars that are obviously closely associated, and separate from others. its no surprise that there is a rich seam of mythology surrounding them.
Indeed, that is exactly why.
@@Crecganford How are you so sure?
@@demonmonsterdave it's almost like it's a rigorously studied field of anthropology.......
@@jasonmain6398 You think the Pleiades is studied in anthropology?
@@demonmonsterdave in reference to this? Absolutely. Are you implying they just made up a position rather than referencing SUPER easily accessible astronomy data? You're being silly
I heard a similar story from my grandmother when I was little, but the giant hunter while boasting and showing off his skills was tricked by the women and got stuck in a hole on top of a mountain. From there he would see the women for the rest of his life with no way to chase them.
that reminds me of the time that female character in Yu-Gi-Oh was trapped in a Sands of time thing Watching everyone continue their lives, but her unable to interact with anyone, only to suffer eternity in that Hourglass.
Strange. According to a local story, the three sisters in Blue mountains NSW were originally seven sisters until an earthquake toppled four of the rock spires into the valley. This correllates with one of two major eruptions that occurred in Indonesia, one around 12-13000 years ago or maybe earlier at around 45000 years ago. Just seems odd that theres a common theme.
because there is truth there to be found about our origins maybe?
Odd? Lol - it's proof stories have been around for thousands of years. All of our written myths and legends originally come from spoken stories.
The Pleiades was very important to the Mayan civilization too
I don't know if this will reach anyone at this late date but, as an amateur ancient historian, this really has me excited. It's about the use of the use of the names, Marimari and Meiameia. Both Mari and Maya are known in antiquity as names of the Earth goddess, aka Eve, interchangeably. These names are known to be wide-spread, from America to Japan to Egypt. Now it's appears that Australia can be included. Australians did not arrive all at the same instant. It would really be worthwhile to investigate the specific DNA of those aboriginal groups that have this particular account using the universal names of the great mother goddess. I believe Mari-Maya also predates the African exodus.
The Lauburu symbol of the Basques represent the goddess Mari and her husband Sugaar combining to form storms. Mari in Mesopotamia, which was the world's largest city in 2400 BC that consisted of 50.000. Apart from that it also was the central hub for trading stone, timber, agricultural products, and pottery in the area. Ur in Euskera means water. Mesopotamia/Sumeria was between Tigris and Euphrates. Archaeologists discovered serpent idols of Tiamat/Nammu. Could there be a connection between Tiamat/Nammu/Mari/Sugaar/Enlil/Baal/etc?
@@brettgibbs8250 And of course, Mari was the goddess of the world's birth waters, the sea and rivers were the birth canals of all living things, which is about the truth of it. My best guess is that the mother goddess was given various titles over time which evolved into names. People do the same today. Jesus, Yeshua, Isaiah, Christ, Son of God, Emmanuel, Savior, etc. Tiamat is a most interesting name. It's related to Diamater, the mother torn apart by her sons to form heaven and earth. Diana is a version of Diameter while Ana was originally the universe itself and the mother of God. Mater itself is word meaning both Matter and Mother. Have you heard of the tetragrammation? JHWH, the secret name of God from when vowels weren't used in written Aramaic/Hebrew. J was interchangeable with I and HWH is the ancient name of Eve, in Hebrew its HVH, Havah, a name given to girls today. J HVH translates as "I Eve" meaning "I begin". Ancients believed that the creator's spoke everything into being.
Thanks for the stimulating conversation. It doesn't happen often.
@@freya1961 My pleasure. Yes I have heard of the Tetragrammaton. The name Yod Heh Vav Heh is written in our DNA coding. And you are correct about the recycling of pagan gods and goddesses. Nimrod/Osiris, Semiramis/Isis, Tammuz/Horus, etc.
@@brettgibbs8250 I am highly sceptical of the tetragrammation being encoded in human DNA. It's based assigning 0/1 to base pairs at the discretion of the researchers. With 3 billion base pairs, I'm pretty sure you could find the entire Bible using such a method. However, from my personal experience I feel like it is carried in my subconscious. I love saying the words "Yod Heh Vav Heh". It rolls off the tongue like a melody and sometime pops into my thoughts without a prompt.
For the last couple decades scientists have concluded that most animals inherit personal experiences of their ancestors which keeps them alive by knowing about poisons and antidotes, migration paths and parenting, etc. It is thought Neanderthal brains were wired in this way which is why they had around 500cc more brain mass that we do. Our highly sophisticated language skills were simply more efficient than using a large portion of our brains for this and so we have lost this ability (for the most part). Very recently, it was discovered that humans still have these memories, contained in 10%-12% of our brains and spanning 7 to 10 generations before us. We do not actively draw upon them. But some are bound to be accessed subconsciously. In this way, Yahweh/Jehovah is likely encoded in our DNA.
@@freya1961 very stimulating discussion points.
Story: Matariki - Te Tau Hou Māori
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Subaru, Which comes from the Japanese language and means “unite”.
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It is also a term that is used to identify a cluster of six stars, which the Greeks titled the Pleiades. It is part of the Taurus constellation. According to Greek mythology, Atlas' daughters turned into this group of stars.
While listening to this, the origin of the stories became clear to me. The Lyrians were actually attacked and run out of their galaxy and scattered to other galaxies. A group took up residence in the Pleiadian star system (as viewed from here on earth). This group has been very involved in the seeding of life on earth and, in our time, with the preparation for the “new age” that earth is transitioning into at this moment. The group who intrusively scattered the Lyrians are known to inhabit the Orion system, hence the versions of the history you describe early in this fascinating video. Your research is a great testament to that children’s game of “telephone!”
The covering of the body with early frost, would be the wisdom (revived by Wim Hof) that temperature tolerance keeps the body alkaline, and resistant to illness! Great wisdom taught along with the prehistoric memories…
aliens, then?
glory glory. what a story! thank you
In the Indian mythology and astrology pleiades is part of the Kritika Nakshatra which is ruled by Agni (Fire).
In the original lore the Seven Sages which are represented by the Saptrishi mandal ( Ursa Major) had seven wives. Six of the seven wives got infatuated with Agni and left their husbands but one.
The one who stayed back was called Arundhati, which forms the only binary system of star in the constellation. The binary system, Arundhati Vasishtha( Mizor and Alcor) and are till date representative of fulfilled marriage. Even today in India newly married couple stargaze this pair to imbibe the chastity emotion in their relation.
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interesting because Orion doesn't appear the same below the tropic. i have always known it as Orion but Orion's belt is called the saucepan because of how it appears here
as for Indonesians and Australia FN interaction
i found out during Australias hard border lockdown during covid that there was issues about island hopping between the Torres's Strait Islands (at least 20 islands that are between Australia and PNG) off far north Queensland and PNG. there has been trade between them for a long time. so Husbands have been caught either in PNG or the many islands in the chain
and Australia. unable to return home or trade. leaving many without supplies
not really sure on how long ago this started but it's easy to assume this has been going on for generations
so stories could be shared between Australia, Papuans New Guinea, the Torres's Strait aswell as Timor-leste and Indonesia.
again a fascinating story and i continue to share your channel
thanks
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@@kodykindhart5644 i will let my cat know he can push them over the edge
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Amazing mythology, Crecganford ✨✨ an story for all The Mother’s Children
Love content like that! There is lot of similiar mythological stories from different nations who would most likely never been in contact with eachother and it wont stop to amaze me.
I think one of the problems with the world today is that we don't stare at the stars enough and ponder the beauty and terror of vastness
And how exactly does that lead to the problems?
It makes us arrogant, makes us think we're the biggest thing in the universe and can do whatever the hell we want to the earth.
Pre-Neolithic shamanic societies had a transactional view of life wherein any fauna killed had to be paid back in kind, the same with the trees themselves. Of course, there are other reasons for humanities recent vices but I'd be curious to live in a world where the milky way was constantly visible and see how that changed things.
@@archaeorobbo while they might not have had our problems 1:1 I am sure they had their own set of problems, and probably also a lot that are the same today (an aeon old story of a sexual predator is quite telling). The past is too easily romanticized.
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Yes! I love these oldest story / motif in the world videos so much. You might just be my favorite TH-camr. Thanks again for doing this.
Thank you!
Dreamtime also has a role in Mayan cosmology and mythos as well
Just found your channel and subscribed. I thoroughly enjoyed this
Worth waiting for! Really loved this one and would like more videos about really old stories and motifs. Especially those that are connected with stars.
Thank you! I will do my best, these take a lot of research to produce a fair and unbiased video, but I do want to make more.