Waiting for the 136" wheelbase 77" height interior Cargo EV to show up later this year. But really needs Pet-Camp mode to run A/C overnight while parked with lights off and always on 12v and 110v 15A power plugs in the back. Might wait 6mo for 1st year recalls and issues to work out, and possibly for 2nd year to see if we get closer to 250mi range. Depreciation on these 2026 EVs is going to be monstrous. 15:00 Is that that price comparison for public or home charging? In Florida to charge at home at night is .12/kwh, but if you try to use a Tesla station (as a non Tesla) you will pay .32/kwh
Did you notice the 3rd travel line in the surround view on the camera, showing the track line of the rear axle? Now that is a cool feature, especially on the long wheelbase extended van.
Liked your drag race. Showed the relative power and performance of the gasser vs the juicer. The gasser is considered a bit power limited by the trades people I have talked to that own and drive them. So the EV version is going to be even less satisfying for them to operate.
Not much about the flat top version. I'm guessing it's ICE only and looks like normal barn doors in the rear but does it have a pair of side barn doors. My stretch E350 could handle 2 mid sized ATV's at the same time through the bard doors, tight but very useful. Still not sold on electric road going vehicles but ATVS and UTVS for limited use around the property seem to be ok. Good job boys.
@@HelicopterDad-u5b "The United States subsidizes the fossil fuel industry with taxpayer dollars. It’s not just the US: according to the International Energy Agency, fossil fuel handouts hit a global high of $1 trillion in 2022 - the same year Big Oil pulled in a record $4 trillion of income. In the United States, by some estimates taxpayers pay about $20 billion dollars every year to the fossil fuel industry."
Every person with electricity already pays taxes/fees within their utilities bill. You may be able to produce your own electricity unlike production of gas/oil which takes major infrastructure to make that happen.
Curious as to why the Fiat E-Ducato which is the European counterpart of the Promaster that has the same 110 kWh battery has a max range of 420 km (261 Miles). It seems the American version got cheated out of range. Way to go Stellantis!
With all honesty!, this is only good for just short in city work and nothing more!, It is much better to go into phev but getting help from cng or diesel as a generator
Everyone overloads there van. More packages less helpers. Delivery drivers don’t live next to their route or the hub that has the packages. Just getting to hub 20 miles. Then 30 miles to your first stop. Then route is 50 miles . Country setting. Then 30 miles back home. 130 miles total . Loaded at 100%. You’re not going to make it. I used to work for fedex.
The king is dead. Delivery companies only care about TCO (total cost of ownership) and that significantly lower for electric. All short and mid range delivery will switch to electric as quickly as they can. By 2030 there would be no gas delivery vans (except for some aging fleets that just don’t upgrade often or can only afford used)
I want a promaster just electric I have a built out promaster 159" high roof. I want and electric camper van I might convert my promaster since ram doesn't know who their customers are 😪
Delivery cares about one thing only. Cost. Electric vans will annihilate short to mid range delivery. In 5 years there would be close to zero gas/diesel delivery vans on the road. In 5 years their range will increase, charging speed will go down, and they’ll also replace long range delivery vans. Any industry that cares about cost (all of them) will switch to electric vehicles. And that will happen by 2030 the latest.
@@james2042 this is the supposed future and ICE replacement. It should be better in every way, not worse in most. And the only thing stopping hybrids and ICE cars from 1000 mile range is fuel tank size. Manufacturers put tiny tanks on most cars now. A 20 gallon tank on my wife’s hybrid would surpass 1000, instead they give it a 12 gallon tank.
Does everyone revise where vehicle manufacturers are going under gov regulations? Fancy golf carts you can't fix that are basically all the same. Unacceptable
How often do smartphones and tablet computers need fixing? For the ones I use, the answer is never. There are approximately 7 billion battery operated smartphones on Earth. About 150 million battery operated power tools were sold just in the USA last year. Otherwise, EVs have big electric motors and big batteries. They are simple with few parts to go wrong when compared to ICE vehicles. EVs have warranties which are much longer than ICE vehicle powertrain warranties. Do any ICE vehicle companies give 8 year, 120,000 to 150,000 mile warranties on their powertrains? No, they don't. Tesla sold 1.3 million EVs in 2022. Tesla sold 1.8 million EVs in 2023. That's more EVs than Ford sold in trucks. Tesla and EVs aren't going away. Passenger ICE vehicles will go away. Most ICE vehicles will go away.
@dvader3263 but yet they continue to be in the shop longer and more often than ice vehicles. Without infrastructure, ice vehicles will continue to be the majority of automobiles. Apparently you have never done the math on the amount of resources it would take to make battery operations 100 percent across the board or even 50 percent, won't happen in our lifetime or the next 3
i wouldnt trust engineers with useage case numbers.let a business decide then the cost of thousands of dollars to install chargers nobody said anything about that
I used to work at a business with a lot of vans and they were parked inside the building every night nose in so the rear was available for loading and unloading. It would be pretty easy to have a 240 volt circuit around the building so all the vans could charge overnight instead of the line at the gas pump in the morning. Not to mention getting gas deliveries and maintenance of the gas pump and storage tank.
Waiting for the 136" wheelbase 77" height interior Cargo EV to show up later this year. But really needs Pet-Camp mode to run A/C overnight while parked with lights off and always on 12v and 110v 15A power plugs in the back. Might wait 6mo for 1st year recalls and issues to work out, and possibly for 2nd year to see if we get closer to 250mi range. Depreciation on these 2026 EVs is going to be monstrous.
15:00 Is that that price comparison for public or home charging? In Florida to charge at home at night is .12/kwh, but if you try to use a Tesla station (as a non Tesla) you will pay .32/kwh
Great Comparison Video. Especially Informative was comparing fuel & electric costs.
Thank You
You are welcome
with all that space, do they have a modular battery add on
Did you notice the 3rd travel line in the surround view on the camera, showing the track line of the rear axle? Now that is a cool feature, especially on the long wheelbase extended van.
Stephen, The one made in Ontario wins. 😉
Excelente camioneta una opción diesel faltaría, saludos desde Córdoba Argentina
Really wanted to see under the hood of the electric promaster. Did you do it in another video?
Thanks Great Video
I think if you compared more similar size promasters as far as the drag race goes, I think it would’ve been a little bit closer great video
Liked your drag race. Showed the relative power and performance of the gasser vs the juicer. The gasser is considered a bit power limited by the trades people I have talked to that own and drive them. So the EV version is going to be even less satisfying for them to operate.
Not much about the flat top version. I'm guessing it's ICE only and looks like normal barn doors in the rear but does it have a pair of side barn doors. My stretch E350 could handle 2 mid sized ATV's at the same time through the bard doors, tight but very useful. Still not sold on electric road going vehicles but ATVS and UTVS for limited use around the property seem to be ok. Good job boys.
What happens win government starts taxing electricity like gasoline?
Make you own🤦🏼♂️ can you make gas when the government collapses? Be real electric is the homesteaders dream
Like California
@@HelicopterDad-u5b "The United States subsidizes the fossil fuel industry with taxpayer dollars. It’s not just the US: according to the International Energy Agency, fossil fuel handouts hit a global high of $1 trillion in 2022 - the same year Big Oil pulled in a record $4 trillion of income. In the United States, by some estimates taxpayers pay about $20 billion dollars every year to the fossil fuel industry."
@@nceevh the world runs on oil and gas.
Every person with electricity already pays taxes/fees within their utilities bill. You may be able to produce your own electricity unlike production of gas/oil which takes major infrastructure to make that happen.
Nice👍👍👍
Curious as to why the Fiat E-Ducato which is the European counterpart of the Promaster that has the same 110 kWh battery has a max range of 420 km (261 Miles). It seems the American version got cheated out of range. Way to go Stellantis!
were in canada we need km.
Lets see that EV range tank when its actually loaded with gear
Weight doesn't make that big of a difference.
With all honesty!, this is only good for just short in city work and nothing more!, It is much better to go into phev but getting help from cng or diesel as a generator
Everyone overloads there van. More packages less helpers. Delivery drivers don’t live next to their route or the hub that has the packages. Just getting to hub 20 miles. Then 30 miles to your first stop. Then route is 50 miles . Country setting. Then 30 miles back home. 130 miles total . Loaded at 100%. You’re not going to make it. I used to work for fedex.
You took your FedEx truck home with you and to work in the morning?
We all know that the gas engine is the king
The king is dead. Delivery companies only care about TCO (total cost of ownership) and that significantly lower for electric. All short and mid range delivery will switch to electric as quickly as they can. By 2030 there would be no gas delivery vans (except for some aging fleets that just don’t upgrade often or can only afford used)
Also the 'stated range' of EV's are about 70% of the REAL range in most driving conditions. A cargo van EV is so dumb.
why michigan what about canada numbers
I want a promaster just electric I have a built out promaster 159" high roof. I want and electric camper van I might convert my promaster since ram doesn't know who their customers are 😪
Is this a rhetorical question?
Delivery cares about one thing only. Cost. Electric vans will annihilate short to mid range delivery. In 5 years there would be close to zero gas/diesel delivery vans on the road. In 5 years their range will increase, charging speed will go down, and they’ll also replace long range delivery vans. Any industry that cares about cost (all of them) will switch to electric vehicles. And that will happen by 2030 the latest.
ill guarantee you you will be charging half way through your deliveries
Fiat Master
The range is absolutely pathetic. We need major battery breakthroughs. I want 1000 mile range.
Name a car that has 1000 miles of range? Also these electric vans are being used for actual van applications, which the range currently is a non issue
@@james2042 this is the supposed future and ICE replacement. It should be better in every way, not worse in most. And the only thing stopping hybrids and ICE cars from 1000 mile range is fuel tank size. Manufacturers put tiny tanks on most cars now. A 20 gallon tank on my wife’s hybrid would surpass 1000, instead they give it a 12 gallon tank.
So you can drive for 15 hours straight?
Does everyone revise where vehicle manufacturers are going under gov regulations? Fancy golf carts you can't fix that are basically all the same. Unacceptable
How often do smartphones and tablet computers need fixing? For the ones I use, the answer is never.
There are approximately 7 billion battery operated smartphones on Earth.
About 150 million battery operated power tools were sold just in the USA last year.
Otherwise, EVs have big electric motors and big batteries. They are simple with few parts to go wrong when compared to ICE vehicles.
EVs have warranties which are much longer than ICE vehicle powertrain warranties.
Do any ICE vehicle companies give 8 year, 120,000 to 150,000 mile warranties on their powertrains? No, they don't.
Tesla sold 1.3 million EVs in 2022.
Tesla sold 1.8 million EVs in 2023. That's more EVs than Ford sold in trucks.
Tesla and EVs aren't going away.
Passenger ICE vehicles will go away. Most ICE vehicles will go away.
@dvader3263 um I have to replace mine every 2 to 3 years, I definitely can't rebuild it and use it for 40 years
@dvader3263 but yet they continue to be in the shop longer and more often than ice vehicles. Without infrastructure, ice vehicles will continue to be the majority of automobiles. Apparently you have never done the math on the amount of resources it would take to make battery operations 100 percent across the board or even 50 percent, won't happen in our lifetime or the next 3
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i wouldnt trust engineers with useage case numbers.let a business decide then the cost of thousands of dollars to install chargers nobody said anything about that
I used to work at a business with a lot of vans and they were parked inside the building every night nose in so the rear was available for loading and unloading. It would be pretty easy to have a 240 volt circuit around the building so all the vans could charge overnight instead of the line at the gas pump in the morning. Not to mention getting gas deliveries and maintenance of the gas pump and storage tank.