Throughout all the controversy, all the arguments and the discourse in the fandom, I love that everyone just liked Henry Cavill, maybe they didn't like how SUPERMAN was done but everyone just loved Henry, and it's still a shame to see him go
yeah probs my third fav supes but yeah sucks how old wb treated him movie wise I hope new Supes gets his time to shine I'm sure he will cause that management screwed henry over(W actor :))
I think image wise, he’s the closest we’ve had to getting a comic accurate Supes. Plus he’s just a good guy. No drama, well versed in the fandom himself, plays World of Warcraft 😂 he’s one of the more chill actors we’ve seen. Not caught up in the hype.
It's true that between Henry Cavill and Tyler Hoechlin, we at least have had 2 really good live action Supermen... well, there is still a 4th season of *Superman & Lois* coming up, so Tyler is still Superman, but unless that season is a huge, massive success, it's unlikely that we'll see him play Clark again.
Kinda sucks they kinda were getting more confident in their movie plan and then as soon as Black Adam bombed, James Gunn came in with his own thing. DC was just always undecided.
And now it's an even bigger mess because WB and James Gunn want to rush the cinematic universe. They don't wanna take their time, and properly lay the foundation using the most popular characters.
Another major reason a lot of people don't care for the new Aquaman is because Amber Heard didn't get replaced and is still apart of the whole story/movie
@@SageOfLimitlessHands and remember, Gunn was on the fence and undecided about whether to keep Ezra on as the Flash, BEFORE the movie released.... if it had done well and lived up to GUNNS claim as "the greatest superhero ever made" then you can bet Ezra would still have a job regardless of what he did. Gunn and the others in charge only care about money.
@@SA80TAGEno. He’s employed by those people and he must make them happy. If he only cared about money the guardians movies wouldn’t be as good as they are.
@@SA80TAGEif you truly fell for it just because Gunn said so then you’re worse than him it was obviously trash from the trailers alone and DUH he’s gonna say shit thats on the script he had to read
@@coolshirtkid I get your points - I do - but thanks to the MeToo movement, it's very unlikely that convicted male rapists would still win Oscars. We've seen a few high profile figures lose entire careers (like Kevin Spacey, for example). I think it's reasonable to expect that female abusers also face consequences. Depp was replaced in Fantastic Beasts, and he wasn't convicted of anything - rumors were enough. That was wrong, but I'd be ok with Amber Heard having her career damaged due to her brand of emotional manipulation and abuse, since there is hard evidence for it.
i mean we watch a video here from a guy who "liked" Blue beetle.. what a complete idiot, what a fool how much bad taste can a person have. How gay can you even be to act like that?
The problem is that Gunn's material hasn't started yet. Everything we've had thus far like Wonder Woman 2, The Batman, Black Adam, and Blue Beetle began *before* Gunn took over. They're holdovers from the old DCEU. Wait until the Superman reboot comes out, because that's the first Gunn project we can expect.
@@InhabitantOfOddworld I have very little confidence in him when he keeps saying "This might be in my DCEU". He doesn't have a solid plan either and that's very depresssing.
11:36 What ?! A huge number of fans were seeking a complete reboot. We had a brooding titan superman who kept appearing and disappearing. Ben Afleckk had shown disinterest in returning to DCEU and IPs as a whole. Walter Hamada was trying to set up the All Female Trinity with Batgirl, Supergirl and WW. Nobody bought into those plans. The demand for a complete reboot was the highest at that time.
Yeah I was confused on his comment about that also. The dceu never really felt like it started to be honest. None of the movies felt connected like Shazam and wonder woman. The only option was to just restart the whole thing.
I think that a lot of people just don't want to support Amber heard or Ezra Miller after how they've acted in recent years is also a very important part of why The Flash flopped and Aquaman 2 is being intetionally not advertised
That's one of the biggest reasons why I didn't care to see Flash nor am I seeing Aquaman 2, they fired Johnny Depp from fantastic Beasts. Which is whatever, I don't care about HP enough, but kept Heard for Aquaman 2, while Ezra miller has done way worse than both of them and still was kept for whatever reason. Its hypocrisy. It's the ethics of it all.
@@roguepoison Bro this is exactly why no one should absolutely watch AQ2 - Johnny Depp got his backside fired from every movie/film when allegations (unproven) came out, while proven husband beater Amber Heard still keeps her role...the hypocrisy is disgusting. The Flash will be a hit compared to what AQ2 will be when it comes out in December.
I actually have thought we needed a hard reboot on the DCEU for a long time now. Frankly, the whole thing is a massive mess that has wasted so many good story beats. If WB has enough faith in James Gunn to eat the losses on all the movies this year (and I'd argue, more importantly, give the audience a bit of a break from shared universes in 2025) then overall I think its the best path forward.
I agree. The DCEU was never given a proper foundation. Superman and Batman should have been given a couple of solo films first. They wasted the death of Superman storyline. They also wasted The Dark Knight storyline. Having Batman fight Superman was a stupid decision. Would have been better saved for an Injustice movie. The Flash was... well, what can we say.. Ezra Miller... Jason Mamoa was miscast as Aquaman. And Wonder Woman is not a good actress. I hope this will teach movie studios not to try making another shared universe. What happened with Marvel was lighting in a bottle and cannot be recreated. At this point, I think WB should just focus on solo movies, or animated movies. If James Gunn's Superman movie fails at the box office, the DCU will be dead on arrival.
Except Gunn isn't doing a hard reboot and there won't be a break. He's doing a half assed soft reboot where he's picking and choosing what stays and what goes and WB is letting him tamper with Aquaman 2 the same way he tampered with the Flash.
@@BeyondTrash-xe1vs it isn't a hard reboot when he's keeping the Suicide Squad characters, waller and Peacemaker. To quote him he said "the flash resets many things, not all things, some stay the same, some dont" hate to burst your bubble.
I know it’s probably not at all a new take, but you’re so right about Snyder’s Justice League. Yes, it’s substantially better than the theatrical version (I had a hell of a good time watching it the first time), but it’s not a great or even especially good Justice League film.
If I could build out DCU: - full Batman scope spread over 15 years with 4 different robins (build up to Jason Todd as Red Hood in background) Batman has enough stories that he doesn’t need to be limited to a trilogy within the bigger DCU - build out Justice League - Justice League Dark - Build out Teen Titans with Judas contract and Trigon story lines. -Keep The Suicide Squad -build out storylines for Doomsday, Legion of Doom, Darkseid, Superman clone story. -have an Injustice movie but bring back Cavill and the OG Justice League to be the villains. TLDR: the new 52 but with a proper direction. Elseworld projects: - Continue Matt Reeves Batman movies, give him 5 if he wants. - Animated Batman Beyond trilogy made like Spiderverse
Lets not forget that WB and Producer Peter Safran KEPT Amber Heard in Aquaman 2 despite the 3 million plus signatures of people who wanted her re-cast (like Johnny Depp was in Fantastic Beats 3). But they kept her in the movie essentially giving the middle finger to the entire audience. So that is another reason people will not be watching Aquaman 2. Also a terrible movie has never stopped Hollywood from releasing trailers. The reason they are not releasing trailers for it is because of the Amber Heard controversy. They KNOW that they made a mistake and they are going to get blasted by people for it.
The fact there’s actually people who thought the DCEU is ruined by James gun is unreal like bruh it was a fucking mess when Batman V Superman was made and before James Gun joined
One of the problems Aquaman has had, that you didn't touch on, was the Amber Heard/Johnny Depp trial. Amber Heard became a very unpopular person after that trial. There were threats of boycotts that gathered a bit of steam, and PR around her was just terrible. She came out an said during the trial that the studio was cutting her role because of the backlash of her accusations against Depp. The studio head said that there had been a problem with chemistry between Momoa and Heard on the first film and that it had been hidden due to editing. Rather than recast the part they opted to instead reduce her role in the second movie. Now they had that on record, that she WAS in the movie although in a smaller part. So the fans who threatened to boycott knew their ask for a recast was not going to be done. They were vocally upset...and got vocal each time a test screening was done that showed Heard in the film at all. So this is more bad PR about the movie. The first round of reshoots was to limit Heard even further because now she had embarrassed them in court and it was seen by a ton of people. Movie release pushed back to try to do a fix and edit and let some of the bad PR about Heard die down. Bad test screening. Ok...Let's try a second round with some new scenes shot for this new edit. Bad test screenings. So they got stuck in that cycle. Trying to do reshoots, re-writes, etc. The movie starts to lose focus. People hear about this. They get the news that maybe the movie doesn't matter. Interest wanes. Now there is a actors strike so none of the people who are cared about can promote the movie. None of the actors. So no way to try to hopefully raise interest back up. Movie release has recently been pushed again, with no new date. WB MUST release this film as it's price has bloated due to the delays, reshoots, etc. It's got all these negatives that have driven it down, and it'll cost even MORE money to fix the film witha LARGE re-write and LOTS of reshoots up to and including an entire NEW film that is vastly different with what they already have. So they either release a film they know will fail and lose them money AGAIN or they just memory hole it and hope the tax write off doesn't lose them AS MUCH money as a release...either scenario could go on to damage FUTURE plans because they lose the nerve to try a film in the genre again...and general audiences may decide to not give future films a shot because they think investment is not worth it. Either the film will be bad or it won't matter because of the reboot is what a lot of non-superhero nerds will probably think. Everything about Aquaman has the potential to be VERY divisive for several reasons, most of which you cover in the video. You'll have a very loud portion of Depp fans that will be upset. You also have a very loud portion of Heard fans who will be upset. Unfortunately both sides will get a lot of press because the news will report it and those who don't really care about it will only see that there seems to be a lot of Headlines saying bad things about the MOVIE. Leaving them with the impression that it's a bad movie regardless of how it actually turns out. So they stay home, and if word of mouth DOES finally turn positive it'll be too late to turn the opening around because the studio will most likely move on to something different and abandon the film because they don't want to risk promoting the film more and seeing that it has time to actually become profitable. The current state of the movie business sucks.
You also have to keep in mind that Ezra Miller is not very well liked, on account of the many, many incidents surrounding them. On top of that, Aquaman 2 has Amber Heard which is an even bigger fuster-cluck because regardless of what side you fall in that situation, her association is guaranteed to tank the movie almost single-handedly. WB has mismanaged this universe from Day 1, and they've bafflingly backed themselves into a corner that no one even realized was in the room. We've all said from the beginning that the difference between the MCU and DCEU was that the MCU took time to set up it's foundation, while the DCEU was a race to that billion dollar paycheck from the get-go. I think that's even more important today. How could we expect the DCEU to find it's legs if it never had legs to stand on? I, personally, never cared about the interconnectivity of the universe. The only DCEU movie that I thought was worthwhile was The Suicide Squad. I think the general public feels similar in that they only have one or two DC movies that they like. While the MCU movies are basically theme park rides (I agree with Scorsese People need to get real) they're usually movies that anyone can enjoy. Plus, as you said, sometimes you only see them just to see how they fit into the grander narrative. As far as the DCEU is concerned, it's really only the hardest core fans that go to see those and the grander narrative was never interesting enough to push those who were on the fence to see it.
Two thoughts: 1) I think that DC had written off these four movies, period. The production history of Fish and Aquaman alone made them complicated, with everything that went down with both Ezra Miller and Amber Heard, in addition to the regular movie issues that happen and have plagued DC since it started. Add on the fact that Blue Beetle, good as it may be, was put out just so they'd have something to close the summer (and probably would have done better but for the strikes) and the first Shazam being a surprise success before getting hit with the pandemic to delay the sequel, I don't think they had high hopes for either of them, either. Aquaman was the closest to a marquee level character among these four, so it makes sense that the decision to announce the reboot would happen when it did, if only to try to buy some good will for a brand that has been consistently losing that since Christopher Nolan stopped making Batman films. That's a smart decision, in that light. 2) you said that there's no MCU movie that doesn't have problems, aside from Winter Soldier. I would 100% argue that and submit Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2. It's smart, funny, dramatic, emotional, sincere, well written, doesn't rely on cheap gimmicks, it's well paced, well acted, and still isn't afraid to lean into the crazy aspect of "yeah, his dad is a planet. This is a comic book movie." How did the movie pull all that off? By letting James Gunn do his thing. So then, the new DCU, by announcing the reboot, isn't just allowing them some time to maintain a little audience faith (which you can tell it's working based on how few "what's wrong with DC movies" pieces there are compared to even a year ago), but also allows James Gunn's brand to not be tarnished by underwhelming, underperforming movies that they didn't have high expectations for to begin with. The latter is integral to the success of the former. Had they not announced a reboot, it would have soured the discourse. Suddenly questions would have popped up of "if Gunn is now in charge, why aren't these movies doing better?" Even among the relatively small portion of people who care about the moves behind the screen, questions would have happened about how much involvement he has in the movies being released. By going about this the way they did, they've avoided all of that. They made the right call.
Honestly, I'm more inclined to believe that James Gun went the way he did because he didn't want his name on a lot of the movies coming out. At the time when James Gun got put in charge, most of those movies were already finished, and I'm sure he didn't know if he'd be able to save them from the place he found them in. So I imagine it was easier to say none of it matters because if they bombed and had his name on it, they would significantly hurt the reboot of the DCU. But I agree it was announced to early. they probably should have saved the announcement of the reboot after the release of the Flash but before Blue Beetle.
@@BeyondTrash-xe1vs Yes ,the same flick which got beat at the box office by The Conjuring 3 - a flick which was released under similar circumstances. Bare in mind The Conjuring 3 is the lowest grossing movie in The Conjuring franchise. That is an utter disgrace when you factor in the universal praise bestowed on The Suicide Squad by the mainstream media while The conjuring 3 had little marketing and endorsement from the mainstream media . The mainstream media fought tooth and nail to make The Suicide Squad a hit and it was all in vain . So dont come here and tell me about some pandemic .
@@HD_Hatesthe one that had a similar name to one of the worst superhero movies of all time? Come on. Gunn could have been Jesus Christ and it still would’ve bombed. As it stands, the suicide squad was done in by the reputation of the dceu
Gunn can be blamed for maybe 15% of this. DC movies were on a downward trajectory box office-wise. If this year's slate was great… fans would have shown up.
I think people forget that James Gunn isn't the only one running the show. Peter Safran is supposed to be responsible for the business side of the DCEU. The Safran Company is one of the production companies of the Blue Beetle. There is a conflict of interest here since he would be making money off the release of Blue Beetle. This last part is just me, but I think Blue Beetle was meant to be a power move by Safran to establish control over the DCEU showing that he could do it with Aquaman and he can do it again with Blue Beetle. Safran desperately wants the project that he was working on to be successful to show to Warner Bros that he can handle the DCEU by himself without the need for Gunn. This is why I think there's a conflicting statement between Gunn saying that the Blue Beetle movie is not part of the DCEU (January 2023) while saying his character is (June 2023).
That’s with any cinematic universe. There’s never one person to blame lmao. These studios are maintained by a number of people who have the stakeholders in mind. People fail to realize that. I guess it’s just easier for the masses to pick a face and criticize that person for any failures.
Gunn never contradicted himself. He always said Jaime Reyes will be part of the DCU but his movie isn't canon. Also, your theory of Safran wanting control of the DCEU isn't valid. Gunn said it himself on a podcast 2-3 months ago that Zaslav approached Safran first about running the DCU but Safran turned it down due to not being a pro at the creative side of things. Then Zaslav went to Gunn to run it solo but Gunn declined because he didn't feel comfortable handling both creative and business side of a studio. That's when Gunn (or Safran, forgot which) came up with the idea of Gunn handling the creative side and Safran does the business side. The podcast I believe was Michael something. Just Google "James Gunn podcast with Michael" and I believe the video shows Gunn exactly how it went down.
I dont think people understood that JL Snyder cut was just a Directors cut of Snyders movie hence why it was 4 hours so idk why people keep saying its "Too Long" for a complaint.
DC is trying to determine if they can release Aquaman on Max contractually and if it will be profitable to do so. I think once that make that decision they you will see promotions for the movie. 🤔
That and is it worth releasing in theaters. If it is a good movie like the flash was, minus all the controversy; it would be worth releasing in theaters. This will come done to test audiences and Gunn; along with the director that they want to keep happy. The director who gave dc their first billion dollar movie. The test audience reviews have not be released to my knowledge (only the original test audience-which wasn’t good).
WB cuts 30 mins from BVS Real DC Fans: Snyder sucks! WB redits Suicide Squad Real DC Fans: Ayer sucks! Josstice completely gets reshot by Whedon Real DC fans: Snyder sucks! Aquaman does a billion "REAL" DC fans: see ... DCEU is better without Snyder! BILLION thanks to no Snyder!!! WB gets their wish doing more silly and fun movies for DCEU with little to no care for continuity with the films that came before it. Shazam thru Blue Beetle all do less than 400 million. Most do arounds 200 "REAL" DC fans: Snyder and the Rock sucks! Its There fault Shazam, Flash, Blue Beetle bombed!
@@LoadedKlip"with little to make care for continuity.." Oh you mean like Snyder who couldn't get Mera's backstory straight as it relates in the Aquaman movie?
Note: 2:09 keep in mind that this release “Black Adam” wasn’t released globally. It makes a big difference. It did good in the United States, but without global release.. you will not get that kind of numbers.
@@helios9296actually it was. But that's the only issue... It was just good. Not excellent or amazing. But that's fine, you can build off of good and get to great.
My problem is he lied about the movies he killed the anticipation for, muddled the ending for the flash and treating Aquaman like a bitch as the only billion dollar DCEU movie.
...you might be too much in your bubble, a lot of people including major publications were talking about the possibility of a straight reboot of the DCEU before James Gunn.
"people had their fill of flash" I'll take that and raise you "why haven't people had their fill of Batman"? How many cartoons, video games, movies live action or animated have we gotten in the past decade? How many times has the caped crusader stolen the spot light whenever he shows up in other media like teen titans go or justice league action? And if that doesn't tire you then how bout this; We have 3 live action batmen continuities coming up at the same time! A sequel to the joker movie which is its own thing; a Robert Pattison "The Batman" sequel, and now this new DCU movie with Damian Wayne's robin....no thanks. i just wanted a Batfleck trilogy but I believe that ship has looong long since sailed and Ben doesn't seem that interested anymore. Oh well, too good to have.
Finally someone says it.Brilliant resumée! Because you are so right about it. James GUnn totally ruined the complete DCEU. Black Adam was ruined by THE ROCK and his greed (in my eyes) Blue Beetle is just inclusive garbage The main problem is that they fired all their good actors like a) Henry Caville => Supermans perfect match b) Gale Gadot => Wonder Womans perfect match c) Christian Bale => Batmans perfect match d) Jeason Mammoa not longer as Aquaman Instead they make Ezra MIller to the new flagship. The bad boy of hollywood with more skandals, crimes and psychological problems than anyone else, but protected by the Warner Bros Lawsuit, Bodyguard and Payment roll... and representor of the LGBTQ movement.. and thats why he was revived in the DCEU. To satisfy this kind of audience... so the usual audience will quit the DCEU. Where you are also so very on point is that we can see there is no real story anymore behind the movies, where some heroes teamup to fight ... something. You could compare this to the league of the extraordinary gentlemen - and they did it so much better than the DCEU, but stil a very bad movie with a forgettable storyline... which is badly written. Fact is: Too many heroes make the story bad, because you cant follow someones story anymore and lose track. And instead of breaking the 4rth wall you crash in front od the 3rd wall and distance yourself and force yourself to watch it till the end and ... like a never again safari...
It doesn't Help that in the Harley series They're constantly insulting Snyder & Praising Gunn _One thing is the fans do that things, but when the Studio does That only reveals the deplorable state they currently are_
First off, suicide squad was palatable, not great. But no one wanted the MCU type humor in the DCEU. Second, Zack Snyders Justice League was as long as it was because he crammed material from 2, almost 3 movies into 1 so that the fans could see what could have been. The problem is that Warner Brothers seems to be undermining their own projects
the DCEU and sony spider-man villain films need to be studied and analyzed for their masterful way of messing literally everything up and only being consistent at complete incompetence 😂
“Why isn’t there any Aquaman 2 anything marketing?” Simply put, the SAG-AFTRA actors strike going on means that no actors can be present for any upcoming film marketing outside of appearing in posters or trailers (main example would be Comic Con panels or world premieres, hence why Comic Con was actually about COMICS for once this year). And with Flash already bombing and Blue Beetle not given much marketing before the strike, what makes you think they’re gonna care about Aquaman 2? If it’s not gonna be delayed by the time of December because of everything else getting delayed, they’re gonna just do a trailer and admit that it already bombed before release essentially. Especially with all the stuff regarding Amber Heard like with Ezra Miller for Flash
The Batman, Joker, and the Spiderverse movies all prove that you don't need a "linked in" movie. You just need to make a good movie. There is no magical formula other than making good movies.
I feel like alot of the problems of why thr Flash failed was because of Ezra Miller and what he was doing. Not to mention I feel like Aquaman is going to fail badly because of Amber Heard and the constant "oh she's not in it/she's still in it"
I don't understand why the WB/DC didn't just do the Sin City thing and make movies like that or try and start building towards something like COIE, Death Metal, Identity Crisis or Forever Evil. Having Darkseid be the main villain of the second JL movie would've been fine and having The Crime Syndicate afterwards would've been fine and vice versa.
I agree. For Batman movies, I would prefer a more stylized movie. Something between Batman Returns and Sin City. They need to create a more fantastical universe where characters such as Mad Hatter and Clay Face and Mr. Freeze can exist.
Cavill wasn't fired, he just wasn't hired. Chris Hemsworth isn't under contract to do another Thor movie so if he wants to play Thor again they will give him another contact.
I personally think that announcing the new dcu before the rest of the dceu movies came out along with firing Henry Cavil really hurt the ending of that universe and already caused issues with the new universe. Add on these wild stories (true or untrue) that characters like Peacemaker or Gal Galdot might stay but not Henry makes it more confusing and leaves a bad tastes in some ppls mouths. I think Gunn should have waited till after this Aquaman 2 to say anything about a new dcu and I also think they should have done one last film to close out the dceu, as a last hurrah. The flash could have been that but when they removed all the cameos including Cavil (plus I don’t think it was very good imo) it just ruined that. I think the smart play would have been to have one final Superman film or one final Justice league film to say okay this is the end, here you go. Now, here it is the new dcu. That’s my two cents.
Eh, I don't think so. You really think a studio is gonna wanna put MORE money in a sinking ship by doing another JL or Superman film? Also Gunn was getting messaged daily about the new slate. All DC fans were asking for a slate, and now that Gunn delivered a slate, ppl are now complaining it's hurting future DC movies. If you need a movie to be connected in order to see it then it says more about the audience then the studio itself
@@SpyJamz I think in the end, all these films would have performed better had Gunn not said beforehand that essentially they don’t matter. Not saying that is wrong or right but that’s how a lot of people treat these films now. I’m also convinced that a Superman or Justice League film would have also done very well as most fans of dc were excited to see Cavil back. I also think a Justice League like film would have done at least better than what they’ve done recently as ZS Justice league was overall received well so I do think even pumping more money to make these films would have still gained than some at least compared to now. And yes lots of ppl were asking but he could have…you know, not answered or answered later or given a bunch of other answers. He really doesn’t have to answer fans. Most studio execs don’t. To your last point, If that says more about your audience…well there isn’t much you can do about that. That IS your audience and seems to be the majority because if it wasn’t these films would still be doing well but they aren’t.
James Gunns announcement imo wouldn't have made a huge difference in performance. Because they weren't doing well even before that. No movie since Aquaman (2018) has made over 400mil. The truth is Black Adam/Shazam2 are really just Ok/mid films. The Flash is good but not blowing anyone's brain. On top of the Ezra controversy. They set themselves to fail. Biggest issue they never stuck to a Plan/Visions. had too cooks behind the scenes. James Gunn has a real shot with Superman Legacy going forward. But it's DCs last chance
@@change023 Dude, people think the marvels are gonna bomb despite Marvel making well over a billion dollars without any similar intervention that Gunn has with DCUE. The DCEU is done and has been since the beginning. There was no collision or plan. The sooner the dceu is done the better. The average viewer probably doesn't even know about James Gunns plans. These films didn't underperform,, nor did they simply bomb (like ant man 3), these films straight up lost 100s of millions of dollars. No one gives a shit about the dceu and there's no saving it.
@@SpyJamzI mean if they had no problem scraping Batgirl after dumping $90 mil into it they should have no problem doing it to close out the universe. I also believe if they had waited til after Aquaman 2 to announce that they were scrapping the DCEU, a final JL would’ve done well financially if it was actually done well. But we’ll never know
When it comes to James talking just to talk when it comes to Blue Beetle. Just remember he said Ben was interested in directing a DCU movie, then three months later Ben said he had no interest and James was going into a direction he didn’t agree with.
A couple of points. Flash was Horrible. Total disrespect for the source in both story and main character. Idiotic handling of Batman (Gunn fault since we all read his tweets about Keaton), and a finale who ask for REVENGE. BB was even worse. Bad story, bad characters. Obnoxious family with a mentally disabled protagonist who let his father die cos he's too dumb to fight. Granny with a Machine gun? Cmon....thats bad even in kindergarden So the problem of the DCEU is...James Gunn After he said these movies were useless, he started cutting scenes from the 4 you talked about, making them even worse. Flash Finale is ALL JAMES GUNN. Some of the reshooting of Aquaman....are all James Gunn cos he cut all Keaton and Affleck scenes DCEU started making bad movies with Suicide Squad and JL butchered by WBD, when they started copying MCU movies style, hoping to get that 1B$ movie that Snyder failed to deliver. And Gunn project, after 7 failed movies in a row, 8 with Aquaman, wants to reboot the DCEU with THE SAME STRATEGY...copying the MCU... What is the problem with DCEU? James "The Clown" Gunn
They shouldn't have been billing the last DCEU movies as DCU entry points. Saying that Flash was a reset point and Blue Beetle was an entry point for the sake of it did not pay off and this "will they won't they" with the actors make things even more disorienting.
I agree. I think it’s as simple as this. If it’s not this simple, the attachment of these last few movies being the restart was the nail in the coffin.
You know the funny thing 🤣 fans were eagerly waiting to hear JG's plans as announced. James Gunn and Peter Safran's plans should definitely have been announced after Aquaman 2
I saw Blue Beetle and what kills me more than anything is the idea that movie would get flushed down the toilet. I mean what other modern Superhero movie starts from the third person to hold the mantle and actually takes the time to talk about the other two individuals and pay them respect? Plus there's a great tie in there with Booster Gold and the Ted Kord Blue Beetle.
It's not like I want James to fail, but he doesn't give me confidence. The way he promoted The Flash makes him seem untrustworthy. Then his plans for the DCU doesn't give me confidence. Creature Commandos sounds fun, but I despise The Authority, and we are getting them before a Justice League film. Then there is his show getting a season 2 and a spin-off.
I love the ads. The Snyderverse trilogy is beautiful because,.... It challenges our heroes mentally,physically and morally in order to understand .... The why of them. Zack Snyder used this term a lot and it refers to "a hero's journey". WHY they help ? WHY they save ? WHY they risk their lives ?..... Because they are heroes ! But the Snyderverse also asks.... WHY are they heroes ? The journey of overcoming pain and trial and darkness is the answer and it is only by seeing them fight through those moral challenges and thier personal darkness (that WE ALL have), that we can understand them as PEOPLE. People. Because, at the end of the day, they are all just people trying to do the right thing and inspire hope. That is the journey to becoming the heroes that WE knew them as and it was nice to finally see the hardships and realistic struggles of our iconic heroes up close ! In a way, they are even more of heroes after experiencing the Snyderverse. They also inspire real world Hope! If they are people and they can step into the light as heroes, we can too and that is a beautiful message that was intentionally put there by Zack Snyder and co. This is not about Tomatoes or "true DC fans" (as the haters call themselves) or "audience scores" this is ART and BEAUTY for fans. How movies should be. It is not gone .... Thank God !!!
There is no TRUE problem with Jame's Gunns DCU because it has not started yet and it won't start until Superman: Legacy. As for him rebooting the former DCEU, literally none of the DCEU films that have come out in the last 5 years have even made 400 million dollars and have all been financial flops. The only DC films to have been profitabe were The Batman and the Joker movie, both of which are not connected to the DCEU whatsoever. The truth is that the DCEU never fully won over audiences and by this point the majority of audiences have simply abandoned it. As for anyone foolishly saying that they should bring back Zack Snyder, that would be a disastrous idea because the ones crying about "Restore the Snyderverse" is just a loud minority and would not make DC profitable and all the movies he directed underperfomed nor were they beloved. A reboot is absolutely the right move to save live-action DC movies.
Those whiny snyderverse nerds have a huge effect on the outcome of movies. If all you see on twitter is “dont watch this movie” then people arent going to watch it hate to say but now most decisions are heavily influenced by social media
Damn the amount of respect I just lost for you when you said you believe the bad CGI in Flash was intentional. As Obi Wan Kenobi said "who's the bigger fool, the fool or the fool who follows him?" Who's the bigger idiot, the director for starting such a piss poor lie, or the people that belevie it
I'm willing to bet james gunn saw the upcoming movies and was quick to clarify he had nothing to do with them. He wanted to be judged by his own work, and that makes sense, but yeah, making that announcement when they did instead of waiting didn't make sense.
Honestly the best thing I watched that was DCEU related was the animated show young justice...great representation of all characters and relevant story lines that kept me interested...IF the movies ever even come close to that I think the fans would be happy
Wait, don’t we have a shot of Jason Momoa and some skin tight black suit? It kind of amazes me they performed a miracle and made the golden green or orange and green suit look good and you’re gonna dump it.
I didn’t realise Aquaman was that close to releasing but yeah not even a poster or any kind of promotion is weird, I remember hearing around the Johnny Depp Amber Heard lawsuit they cut her scenes down by like 90% and was very important to the story (although it’s a trust me bro source I barely remember now)
Black Adam was also a HUGE flop. The budget was $260 Million plus about $150+ in marketing and it only made $390 worldwide. So it was a HUGE flop and Dwayne keeps acting like it was a hit and they still didn't want him.
There were way more scenes in the flash with terrible CGI than just the time traveling scenes, that movie isn’t great even without the Ezra controversy
The problem starts early in this video. For the sake of this - I'm not a huge fan of Zaslav or his personal politics and the way that they have had to deal with the 50B+ of debt that AT&T drove them to is unfortunate. I'm not here to defend him, but the true impact of what he brings to WB really isn't apparent (yet). The problem isn't "James Gunn taking over DC Studios", it was announced in one of the first Zaslav investor calls (I believe March/April 2020 shortly after Discovery/WB merged/acquired. Zaslav noted at the time he was looking for a Feige type to lead the studios and DC Studios was going to be set up in a way similar to Marvel. The failure on Zaslav and WB in regards to the DCEU and Cavill was not keeping reigns on Hamada's promises and (this is a rumor) Dwayne Johnson as they (and others) tried to position themselves to be the heads of DC Studios. Gunn (and Safran... remember him?) inherited this problem. It's also important to note that movies and shows take a long time to develop and for theatrical movies there are a lot of legalities involved in how they are released. You can shelf a Batgirl film because there is no Box Office residuals attached to a streaming only film, but in the case of a theatrical presentation, producers and production companies expect residuals and a percentage of the box office (if successful). See the lawsuit of Johanesson v. Disney and the Matrix producers vs. Warner. So The Flash, Shazam 2, Aquaman 2, Blue Beetle were always going to come out. That said, the first film post AT&T, the first film that Zaslav greenlit was Joker 2, and that doesn't come out for another 13 months. All of this other "stuff" is contractually bound material that Warner Bros. has to deal with. And fine... actually since the Star Wars film and the Star Trek film (which were originally slated for December 2023), Aquaman will basically be the only film in IMAX for a few weeks during Christmas, which actually gives it a huge leg to stand on regardless of the quality of the film. Lastly: "James Gunn fired Henry Cavil". This is where words are important and a responsibility: Cavill wasn't fired at all, he had verbal conversations with people at Warner Bros who were not in control of the future of Warner Bros. He was paid $250k for Black Adam and $250k for The Flash (a cameo later cut) prior to Gunn/Safran taking over. He did not have an existing contract with Warner Bros, it was a one off. He was 'promised' talks by people who were in 2-3 months not going to be in control. Yes, he was jerked around. But the people making those promises are no longer at Warner Bros. Everyone agrees that the DCEU was failing... Bringing in Gunn/Safran publicly wasn't for the fans, it was for investors as way to give investors a direction for the future of a potentially very lucrative franchise. Smart investors realize that Gunn/Safran's footprint will not even be felt until 2025. This is just business. You can't start production, writing, etc. in Hollywood these days... you can't secure production space, etc. without the leaks, so you lean into them. If the fans would have been OK waiting a year to let Gunn/Safran speak about the 'reboot' fine... But don't pretend that all of us (including this TH-cam channel) didn't put pressure on Gunn/Safran to announce their schedule.
And Aquaman 2 trailer delay is because I think they were thinking of moving Dune to December due to the strikes. Since the Dune 2 decision was made (move it to 2024) the rumor is that New York Comic Con will be the massive launch of the Aquaman 2 trailer. Also, in general, companies have been shortening their marketing campaigns significantly.
I'm sorry? What do you mean weirdly? Aquaman deserves every penny it got for being a very unique superhero movie for domestic general audiences and especially international audiences. And for the record, Aquaman isn't obscure: he's literally the poster boy for water/sea themed heroes, certainly more so than Namor is.
James Gunn did an interview with Michael Rosenbaum (Smallville's Lex Luthor) on the Inside of You podcast, and I think his vision seems pretty promising after hearing from him directly
We all know the real problem with dceu and it is not synder, aryer, or gunn, it is wb. i read somewhere that bruce timm was suppose to be in charge and the dceu would have been just a live action version of dcau which would make sense. Superman should have been the first hero, than batman, wonder woman, flash/cyborg, aquaman, martian manhunter/hawkgirl movies. Than u do the justice league or do the justice league first than solo movies after. Wb scape that idea, they had the chance to create a great universe but didn't cause wb doesn't care enough
They fired Johnny Depp from Fantastic Beasts and kept Amber Heard for Aquaman 2. They fired Henry Cavill and kept Ezra Miller. WB are not listening. James Gunn keeps making statements which contradict with what we know. Nobody trusts them anymore. The only loyalty that was left was from the Snyderverse fans who wanted it restored. Also the DCEU was never going anywhere, it was always trying to find its footing and there was no solidarity between things.
Great content. Problem with the DCU is the WB. Not allowing directors to direct and alternating between selling toys and trying to catch up with marvel lol. WB has stars that have controversy. Ezra miller and Amber Heard both of which fans expressed getting them replaced or they will not see the movie. Promoting the movie plays major factor because I don’t recall seeing any for blue beetle but I love the character from Cobra Kai.
The fact that Aquaman original made $1 billion was already confusing to me seeing as the only thing about it that was actually worth seeing was Momoa walking around (or swimming, I guess) topless being baller and the CGI being pretty cool. It was about as empty as you can get. I think people thought it would be Avatar with abs. Aquaman 2 is going to be judicial hearing with abs, just like Flashpoint was a judicial hearing with Batmen.
It’s honestly ridiculous and a little pretentious to say that “movies with meaning” stopped being made when the MCU got popular. There were more attempts to make universes that weren’t meant to be though.
Let the fans get these movies: 1. Ben Affleck The BATMAN or rename it BATMAN VS DEATHSTROKE or BATMAN: DEATHSTROKE. 2. Keep Ben Affleck cameo in Aquaman 2 3. Make Man of Steel 2 with Henry Cavill 4. Release the AYER CUT of Suicide Squad!!!! Then the fans may get united for Superman Legacy.
As a huge DC fan and someone who has gone to watch every DCEU movie in theaters; I’m really excited for James Gunn’s DCU. And while it’s a little confusing if it’s a hard reboot or soft reboot (I personally hope that it’s a hard reboot), I still believe that James Gunn is still the best person for the job. I think we all need to just wait for post Aquaman 2 for more information. My personal opinion, the DCEU was never established on a solid foundation and really didn’t use DC’s source material well.
@@BeyondTrash-xe1vs Sure. But think about it. Henry Cavill is a massive nerd. He has star power. Many female colleagues at my previous place of work would tune into a show or movie simply because he was the one starring in it. Henry plays Warhammer 40k. That type of nerd is a massive bonus when adapting material to the big screen. He thoroughly researched his roles. Removing a star like him means that the producers don't give a sh*t about the source materials _(I say this because Henry adores the source material of whatever show or movie he is working on)._ He was/is the one lead actor who was proudly on the audience's side, limiting the amount of banal story-telling Hollywood produces.
@@British_Roguehe was the lead to snyder’s trilogy, I think Corenswet deserves a shot in Gunn’s vision, like we got Reeve’s The Batman and I personally loved it even tho I thought Affleck looked so good and perfect “looking” Batman so I’m good without a batfleck movie. I also don’t blame Gunn for Cavil that’s on WB for wasting his potential and bringing him back in Black Adam, Gunn still is the right man, all his movies were up hill risks, even tho GOTG had the mcu everyone was saying going to flop, no one knew the team and he changed up the team but it was a hit. Plus he knows he can’t mess up Legacy
I went to see Blue Beetle 4 times. Each time crowds were laughing and even clapping in the end. It is a great movie better than Black Adam, Shazam 2, and Flash!!! It has that Mexican/Latino flavor that we are not used to seeing. The multicultural cast and cultural reference hit it out of the park. It’s a big fail to not have marketed/promo this this demographic more. Blue Beetle is a good movie at its base, but this added flavor makes it so much more enjoying and relatable if you have connections to the Mexican/Latino culture. I can see joe smoe out in the somewhere like Ohio, or Indiana not enjoying BB as much and even criticizing it as nothing new and thus not a good movie. I believe that Superhero genre is past its peak. There was a time when people will go watch pretty much anything superhero related. It’s now far over saturated with content. Those high $$$ numbers are no longer relevant for every thing...unless your a top character like Batman/Spider-Man. Studios need to re-evaluate their expectations, that appeal to the whole General Audience is no longer there. Add in the fiasco going on with WB DC, whose reputation as a whole is just damaged. Outside the core fan base many don’t care anymore. After so many failings it’s apparent that there is no big picture; just a mix match of ideas with no clear vision as a whole. ...Going back to Blue Beetle, of all that’s been put out, I have more interest in seeing the continued story of BB Jaime Reyes. They have to keep the cultural flavor though! Disclosure: I am from so cal ( where Mexican/ Latino culture is stronger than other places. I also have cultural connection with Mexican heritage. So yes I’m going to resonate with the culture than someone who isn’t. I stand firm on my opinion that they missed a target audience and should be looking to get success with the GA as a whole.
1. He's running the DCU (DC STUDIOS) not DCEU and yes, there is a difference. 2. He didn't fire Henry, he didn't hire him for the new universe. 3. Not a single person said the movies "weren't important." 4. Black Adam, Shazam: FOTG, The Flash, Blue Beetle, and Aquaman: TLK are the ENDING of the previous series. 5. Man of Steel leads into BVS and see Wonder Woman's origin story, which influences the creation of the Suicide Squad and the Justice League starting the new age of heroes, after which Aquaman gets the courage to confront himself, we get the second half of Wonder Woman's origin, new heroes emerge like the Birds of Prey, Shazam, Blue Beetle, and Black Adam while The Flash comes into his own incidentally returning to Man of Steel. 6. There are stills and set photos officially released for Aquaman: The Lost Kingdom. 7. The actual films don't factor into the new universe, although some characters will make their next first appearance in the next one. Marvel film logic is "it ties into the next film so go see how this film you don't care about ties into another film you don't care about that ties into one you do." 8. The fact that this rant exist is the exact reason why Gunn is choosing to start from a new place and not just "fix it." He's not in control of what they put in those films. How much money these films make or not doesn't affect the next universe. You clearly hate this shit, so just wait until the next reboot or just watch The Lost Kingdom anyway.
Finally somebody hit the nail on the head. The reason for the lack of interest in recent DC movies. No connectivity. Part of the reason we go is to see what's to come next. And with the DC universe starting over , there's no interest in Shazam and Blue Beetle because it doesn't lead to anything.
I think the problem started by over trusting Zack Synder with too much control .. and then trying to rush things . Zack should only been in charge of MOS and its sequels not BVS or Justice league etc . The James Gunn announcement was not a bad move … At least it has given WB a good standing on things and given audiences some sought of closure to the DCEU being a mess . We all look forward to SuperMan Legacy and I hope all lessons was already learnt
The DCEU was already on a downward trend the real question is will people still have interests in superhero movies in 2025 after all these bad superhero films ?
Actually the first Suicide Squad was a hit and made a lot of money. Despite most people preferring The Suicide Squad (2021) that one actually bombed horrendously
Yes his DCEU that hasn’t officially started yet since the first offical movie is actually his Superman film… all of these films before that were worked on and produced before he was hired to run the thing.
Why Gunn is in a bad spot. -Getting rid of Henry when he just came back for Black Adam. That killed the hype -Releasing Zack Snyders version og Justice League which was WAY better than the theater version, and saying "that is it for the story". -Saying there will be a reboot and most of the movies and cast DOES not MATTER was a bad PR move. -Ezra Miller and Amber Heard hurt the DCEU/DCU that without any action taken it killed the support the Johnny Depp fans and those who don't like Ezra Miller walked out. -Zack Snyder fans that said they won't support the DCU/DCEU anymore meant what they said and walked out. -There was no clear story going forward after Snyder took time off and then sudden sacking. All DC films poster Snyders exit felt like cheap copy of marvel movies and making the plots less operatic and more :"goof balls" when it was established DC was more serious in how those characters represent society's morals and what we fear if their powers were used for evil.
Throughout all the controversy, all the arguments and the discourse in the fandom, I love that everyone just liked Henry Cavill, maybe they didn't like how SUPERMAN was done but everyone just loved Henry, and it's still a shame to see him go
yeah probs my third fav supes but yeah sucks how old wb treated him movie wise I hope new Supes gets his time to shine I'm sure he will cause that management screwed henry over(W actor :))
Doesn't change the fact that the Henry Cavill simps are annoying
I think image wise, he’s the closest we’ve had to getting a comic accurate Supes. Plus he’s just a good guy. No drama, well versed in the fandom himself, plays World of Warcraft 😂 he’s one of the more chill actors we’ve seen. Not caught up in the hype.
@@breadlover302I totally agree. I think every actor has those smh. And even directors *wink wink Zack Snyder*
It's true that between Henry Cavill and Tyler Hoechlin, we at least have had 2 really good live action Supermen... well, there is still a 4th season of *Superman & Lois* coming up, so Tyler is still Superman, but unless that season is a huge, massive success, it's unlikely that we'll see him play Clark again.
The DCEU was a mess long before Gunn was hired.
That's why they hire james gunn.. hoping that he will take care of the mess
Kinda sucks they kinda were getting more confident in their movie plan and then as soon as Black Adam bombed, James Gunn came in with his own thing. DC was just always undecided.
And now it's an even bigger mess because WB and James Gunn want to rush the cinematic universe. They don't wanna take their time, and properly lay the foundation using the most popular characters.
James gun dcu hasn’t even started yet your claiming their having problems
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lpWhat? They're making a Superman movie and a Batman movie.
Another major reason a lot of people don't care for the new Aquaman is because Amber Heard didn't get replaced and is still apart of the whole story/movie
Just like The Flash lost money because Ezra Miller hasn't been arrested and thrown in jail for the stuff we actually have on film
@@SageOfLimitlessHands and remember, Gunn was on the fence and undecided about whether to keep Ezra on as the Flash, BEFORE the movie released.... if it had done well and lived up to GUNNS claim as "the greatest superhero ever made" then you can bet Ezra would still have a job regardless of what he did. Gunn and the others in charge only care about money.
@@SA80TAGEno. He’s employed by those people and he must make them happy. If he only cared about money the guardians movies wouldn’t be as good as they are.
@@SA80TAGEif you truly fell for it just because Gunn said so then you’re worse than him it was obviously trash from the trailers alone and DUH he’s gonna say shit thats on the script he had to read
@@coolshirtkid I get your points - I do - but thanks to the MeToo movement, it's very unlikely that convicted male rapists would still win Oscars. We've seen a few high profile figures lose entire careers (like Kevin Spacey, for example).
I think it's reasonable to expect that female abusers also face consequences. Depp was replaced in Fantastic Beasts, and he wasn't convicted of anything - rumors were enough. That was wrong, but I'd be ok with Amber Heard having her career damaged due to her brand of emotional manipulation and abuse, since there is hard evidence for it.
Frankly, the inability to let go of the past completely and move forward has been a systemic issue of DC for decades...
This is true. The flip side of that is DCs decades long inability to commit to something if it doesn't produce immediate and unrealistic returns
i mean we watch a video here from a guy who "liked" Blue beetle.. what a complete idiot, what a fool how much bad taste can a person have. How gay can you even be to act like that?
Another reason Aquaman 2 hasn’t likely done any promotion is because of a certain actress who blew up a year ago for… legal reasons.
LOL. DCEU fanboys can't claim it was killed by wokeness
@@suzygirl1843 ?
The problem is that it doesn't feel like Gunn's Dceu but a continuation of the lack of direction they had when they fired Snyder
It feels like phase 4. They don't have a plan and are just throwing stuff at us until something sticks.
@@kyleellis1825this. These are my feelings accurately described lol
That's because Gunn's story hasn't started yet.
The problem is that Gunn's material hasn't started yet. Everything we've had thus far like Wonder Woman 2, The Batman, Black Adam, and Blue Beetle began *before* Gunn took over. They're holdovers from the old DCEU.
Wait until the Superman reboot comes out, because that's the first Gunn project we can expect.
@@InhabitantOfOddworld I have very little confidence in him when he keeps saying "This might be in my DCEU". He doesn't have a solid plan either and that's very depresssing.
11:36 What ?! A huge number of fans were seeking a complete reboot. We had a brooding titan superman who kept appearing and disappearing. Ben Afleckk had shown disinterest in returning to DCEU and IPs as a whole. Walter Hamada was trying to set up the All Female Trinity with Batgirl, Supergirl and WW. Nobody bought into those plans. The demand for a complete reboot was the highest at that time.
Who's Walter Hamada?
@@Theokal3I think he was previous head of DC studios. Basically what James Gunn is right now.
Yeah I was confused on his comment about that also. The dceu never really felt like it started to be honest. None of the movies felt connected like Shazam and wonder woman.
The only option was to just restart the whole thing.
I think that a lot of people just don't want to support Amber heard or Ezra Miller after how they've acted in recent years is also a very important part of why The Flash flopped and Aquaman 2 is being intetionally not advertised
Exactly right if Wb and Dc said this will be their last movie people would have seen it
That's one of the biggest reasons why I didn't care to see Flash nor am I seeing Aquaman 2, they fired Johnny Depp from fantastic Beasts. Which is whatever, I don't care about HP enough, but kept Heard for Aquaman 2, while Ezra miller has done way worse than both of them and still was kept for whatever reason. Its hypocrisy.
It's the ethics of it all.
@@roguepoison Bro this is exactly why no one should absolutely watch AQ2 - Johnny Depp got his backside fired from every movie/film when allegations (unproven) came out, while proven husband beater Amber Heard still keeps her role...the hypocrisy is disgusting.
The Flash will be a hit compared to what AQ2 will be when it comes out in December.
I actually have thought we needed a hard reboot on the DCEU for a long time now. Frankly, the whole thing is a massive mess that has wasted so many good story beats. If WB has enough faith in James Gunn to eat the losses on all the movies this year (and I'd argue, more importantly, give the audience a bit of a break from shared universes in 2025) then overall I think its the best path forward.
I agree. The DCEU was never given a proper foundation. Superman and Batman should have been given a couple of solo films first. They wasted the death of Superman storyline. They also wasted The Dark Knight storyline. Having Batman fight Superman was a stupid decision. Would have been better saved for an Injustice movie. The Flash was... well, what can we say.. Ezra Miller... Jason Mamoa was miscast as Aquaman. And Wonder Woman is not a good actress. I hope this will teach movie studios not to try making another shared universe. What happened with Marvel was lighting in a bottle and cannot be recreated. At this point, I think WB should just focus on solo movies, or animated movies. If James Gunn's Superman movie fails at the box office, the DCU will be dead on arrival.
Except Gunn isn't doing a hard reboot and there won't be a break. He's doing a half assed soft reboot where he's picking and choosing what stays and what goes and WB is letting him tamper with Aquaman 2 the same way he tampered with the Flash.
@@orlandoacosta2631We absolutely have confirmation of a hard reboot starting with Superman Legacy, wdym?
@@BeyondTrash-xe1vs it isn't a hard reboot when he's keeping the Suicide Squad characters, waller and Peacemaker. To quote him he said "the flash resets many things, not all things, some stay the same, some dont" hate to burst your bubble.
The only dc movie you in 2024 is joker 2 .
I know it’s probably not at all a new take, but you’re so right about Snyder’s Justice League. Yes, it’s substantially better than the theatrical version (I had a hell of a good time watching it the first time), but it’s not a great or even especially good Justice League film.
Agreed like could have been way shorter, way way too much slow motion
If I could build out DCU:
- full Batman scope spread over 15 years with 4 different robins (build up to Jason Todd as Red Hood in background) Batman has enough stories that he doesn’t need to be limited to a trilogy within the bigger DCU
- build out Justice League
- Justice League Dark
- Build out Teen Titans with Judas contract and Trigon story lines.
-Keep The Suicide Squad
-build out storylines for Doomsday, Legion of Doom, Darkseid, Superman clone story.
-have an Injustice movie but bring back Cavill and the OG Justice League to be the villains.
TLDR: the new 52 but with a proper direction.
Elseworld projects:
- Continue Matt Reeves Batman movies, give him 5 if he wants.
- Animated Batman Beyond trilogy made like Spiderverse
so basically a copy and paste of the DCAMU
You basically just described the DCAMU haha
Lets not forget that WB and Producer Peter Safran KEPT Amber Heard in Aquaman 2 despite the 3 million plus signatures of people who wanted her re-cast (like Johnny Depp was in Fantastic Beats 3). But they kept her in the movie essentially giving the middle finger to the entire audience. So that is another reason people will not be watching Aquaman 2.
Also a terrible movie has never stopped Hollywood from releasing trailers. The reason they are not releasing trailers for it is because of the Amber Heard controversy. They KNOW that they made a mistake and they are going to get blasted by people for it.
The issue prior to Gunn arriving was the WB executives. They couldn’t organize a fuck in a brothel with a fist full of fifties 😅
The fact there’s actually people who thought the DCEU is ruined by James gun is unreal like bruh it was a fucking mess when Batman V Superman was made and before James Gun joined
Tbf about the Flash, Ezra Miller didn’t exactly do any favors with the whole ordeal surrounding him
One of the problems Aquaman has had, that you didn't touch on, was the Amber Heard/Johnny Depp trial. Amber Heard became a very unpopular person after that trial. There were threats of boycotts that gathered a bit of steam, and PR around her was just terrible. She came out an said during the trial that the studio was cutting her role because of the backlash of her accusations against Depp. The studio head said that there had been a problem with chemistry between Momoa and Heard on the first film and that it had been hidden due to editing. Rather than recast the part they opted to instead reduce her role in the second movie. Now they had that on record, that she WAS in the movie although in a smaller part. So the fans who threatened to boycott knew their ask for a recast was not going to be done. They were vocally upset...and got vocal each time a test screening was done that showed Heard in the film at all. So this is more bad PR about the movie. The first round of reshoots was to limit Heard even further because now she had embarrassed them in court and it was seen by a ton of people. Movie release pushed back to try to do a fix and edit and let some of the bad PR about Heard die down. Bad test screening. Ok...Let's try a second round with some new scenes shot for this new edit. Bad test screenings. So they got stuck in that cycle. Trying to do reshoots, re-writes, etc. The movie starts to lose focus. People hear about this. They get the news that maybe the movie doesn't matter. Interest wanes. Now there is a actors strike so none of the people who are cared about can promote the movie. None of the actors. So no way to try to hopefully raise interest back up. Movie release has recently been pushed again, with no new date. WB MUST release this film as it's price has bloated due to the delays, reshoots, etc. It's got all these negatives that have driven it down, and it'll cost even MORE money to fix the film witha LARGE re-write and LOTS of reshoots up to and including an entire NEW film that is vastly different with what they already have. So they either release a film they know will fail and lose them money AGAIN or they just memory hole it and hope the tax write off doesn't lose them AS MUCH money as a release...either scenario could go on to damage FUTURE plans because they lose the nerve to try a film in the genre again...and general audiences may decide to not give future films a shot because they think investment is not worth it. Either the film will be bad or it won't matter because of the reboot is what a lot of non-superhero nerds will probably think. Everything about Aquaman has the potential to be VERY divisive for several reasons, most of which you cover in the video. You'll have a very loud portion of Depp fans that will be upset. You also have a very loud portion of Heard fans who will be upset. Unfortunately both sides will get a lot of press because the news will report it and those who don't really care about it will only see that there seems to be a lot of Headlines saying bad things about the MOVIE. Leaving them with the impression that it's a bad movie regardless of how it actually turns out. So they stay home, and if word of mouth DOES finally turn positive it'll be too late to turn the opening around because the studio will most likely move on to something different and abandon the film because they don't want to risk promoting the film more and seeing that it has time to actually become profitable. The current state of the movie business sucks.
You also have to keep in mind that Ezra Miller is not very well liked, on account of the many, many incidents surrounding them. On top of that, Aquaman 2 has Amber Heard which is an even bigger fuster-cluck because regardless of what side you fall in that situation, her association is guaranteed to tank the movie almost single-handedly. WB has mismanaged this universe from Day 1, and they've bafflingly backed themselves into a corner that no one even realized was in the room. We've all said from the beginning that the difference between the MCU and DCEU was that the MCU took time to set up it's foundation, while the DCEU was a race to that billion dollar paycheck from the get-go. I think that's even more important today. How could we expect the DCEU to find it's legs if it never had legs to stand on?
I, personally, never cared about the interconnectivity of the universe. The only DCEU movie that I thought was worthwhile was The Suicide Squad. I think the general public feels similar in that they only have one or two DC movies that they like. While the MCU movies are basically theme park rides (I agree with Scorsese People need to get real) they're usually movies that anyone can enjoy. Plus, as you said, sometimes you only see them just to see how they fit into the grander narrative. As far as the DCEU is concerned, it's really only the hardest core fans that go to see those and the grander narrative was never interesting enough to push those who were on the fence to see it.
Two thoughts:
1) I think that DC had written off these four movies, period. The production history of Fish and Aquaman alone made them complicated, with everything that went down with both Ezra Miller and Amber Heard, in addition to the regular movie issues that happen and have plagued DC since it started. Add on the fact that Blue Beetle, good as it may be, was put out just so they'd have something to close the summer (and probably would have done better but for the strikes) and the first Shazam being a surprise success before getting hit with the pandemic to delay the sequel, I don't think they had high hopes for either of them, either. Aquaman was the closest to a marquee level character among these four, so it makes sense that the decision to announce the reboot would happen when it did, if only to try to buy some good will for a brand that has been consistently losing that since Christopher Nolan stopped making Batman films. That's a smart decision, in that light.
2) you said that there's no MCU movie that doesn't have problems, aside from Winter Soldier. I would 100% argue that and submit Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2. It's smart, funny, dramatic, emotional, sincere, well written, doesn't rely on cheap gimmicks, it's well paced, well acted, and still isn't afraid to lean into the crazy aspect of "yeah, his dad is a planet. This is a comic book movie." How did the movie pull all that off? By letting James Gunn do his thing. So then, the new DCU, by announcing the reboot, isn't just allowing them some time to maintain a little audience faith (which you can tell it's working based on how few "what's wrong with DC movies" pieces there are compared to even a year ago), but also allows James Gunn's brand to not be tarnished by underwhelming, underperforming movies that they didn't have high expectations for to begin with. The latter is integral to the success of the former. Had they not announced a reboot, it would have soured the discourse. Suddenly questions would have popped up of "if Gunn is now in charge, why aren't these movies doing better?" Even among the relatively small portion of people who care about the moves behind the screen, questions would have happened about how much involvement he has in the movies being released. By going about this the way they did, they've avoided all of that. They made the right call.
Gunn has barely begun. What problem? He's clearing out the old shit that people are so desperate to cling to
Honestly, I'm more inclined to believe that James Gun went the way he did because he didn't want his name on a lot of the movies coming out. At the time when James Gun got put in charge, most of those movies were already finished, and I'm sure he didn't know if he'd be able to save them from the place he found them in. So I imagine it was easier to say none of it matters because if they bombed and had his name on it, they would significantly hurt the reboot of the DCU. But I agree it was announced to early. they probably should have saved the announcement of the reboot after the release of the Flash but before Blue Beetle.
I don't even consider these a James Gunn movie because they're not they're part of the old Dc
Care to explain why The Suicide Squad was a garbage box office flop?
@@HD_HatesThe movie that released right in the midst of the pandemic and was the most streamed DCU movie? That's the one you're talking about?
@@BeyondTrash-xe1vs
Yes ,the same flick which got beat at the box office by The Conjuring 3 - a flick which was released under similar circumstances. Bare in mind The Conjuring 3 is the lowest grossing movie in The Conjuring franchise. That is an utter disgrace when you factor in the universal praise bestowed on The Suicide Squad by the mainstream media while The conjuring 3 had little marketing and endorsement from the mainstream media . The mainstream media fought tooth and nail to make The Suicide Squad a hit and it was all in vain . So dont come here and tell me about some pandemic .
@@HD_Hatesthe one that had a similar name to one of the worst superhero movies of all time? Come on. Gunn could have been Jesus Christ and it still would’ve bombed. As it stands, the suicide squad was done in by the reputation of the dceu
This doesn't fall on Gunn. No matter when they had announced a reboot, people would have been mad.
wrong
@@HeroicRecaps Nah
Gunn can be blamed for maybe 15% of this. DC movies were on a downward trajectory box office-wise.
If this year's slate was great… fans would have shown up.
I think people forget that James Gunn isn't the only one running the show. Peter Safran is supposed to be responsible for the business side of the DCEU. The Safran Company is one of the production companies of the Blue Beetle. There is a conflict of interest here since he would be making money off the release of Blue Beetle.
This last part is just me, but I think Blue Beetle was meant to be a power move by Safran to establish control over the DCEU showing that he could do it with Aquaman and he can do it again with Blue Beetle. Safran desperately wants the project that he was working on to be successful to show to Warner Bros that he can handle the DCEU by himself without the need for Gunn. This is why I think there's a conflicting statement between Gunn saying that the Blue Beetle movie is not part of the DCEU (January 2023) while saying his character is (June 2023).
That’s with any cinematic universe. There’s never one person to blame lmao. These studios are maintained by a number of people who have the stakeholders in mind. People fail to realize that. I guess it’s just easier for the masses to pick a face and criticize that person for any failures.
Gunn never contradicted himself. He always said Jaime Reyes will be part of the DCU but his movie isn't canon. Also, your theory of Safran wanting control of the DCEU isn't valid. Gunn said it himself on a podcast 2-3 months ago that Zaslav approached Safran first about running the DCU but Safran turned it down due to not being a pro at the creative side of things. Then Zaslav went to Gunn to run it solo but Gunn declined because he didn't feel comfortable handling both creative and business side of a studio. That's when Gunn (or Safran, forgot which) came up with the idea of Gunn handling the creative side and Safran does the business side. The podcast I believe was Michael something. Just Google "James Gunn podcast with Michael" and I believe the video shows Gunn exactly how it went down.
I dont think people understood that JL Snyder cut was just a Directors cut of Snyders movie hence why it was 4 hours so idk why people keep saying its "Too Long" for a complaint.
DC is trying to determine if they can release Aquaman on Max contractually and if it will be profitable to do so. I think once that make that decision they you will see promotions for the movie. 🤔
That and is it worth releasing in theaters. If it is a good movie like the flash was, minus all the controversy; it would be worth releasing in theaters. This will come done to test audiences and Gunn; along with the director that they want to keep happy. The director who gave dc their first billion dollar movie. The test audience reviews have not be released to my knowledge (only the original test audience-which wasn’t good).
"All these movies HAVE to be interconnected or noone cares"... The Batman and Joker would like a word
One is Batman, the other is not s superhero movie
@@NuwandaLunaDragon Oh ok they have to be interconnected UNLESS they are Batman or Joker related gotcha 👌🤦♂️
I'm surprised Comicstorian didn't make a Blue Beetle Video
Its insane how many people aren't focusing on the WB executives and how this is all their fault.
It blows my mind that nobody seems to get that.
Bingo
Its funny because their incompetence has already cost them hundreds of millions.
WB cuts 30 mins from BVS
Real DC Fans: Snyder sucks!
WB redits Suicide Squad
Real DC Fans: Ayer sucks!
Josstice completely gets reshot by Whedon
Real DC fans: Snyder sucks!
Aquaman does a billion
"REAL" DC fans: see ... DCEU is better without Snyder! BILLION thanks to no Snyder!!!
WB gets their wish doing more silly and fun movies for DCEU with little to no care for continuity with the films that came before it. Shazam thru Blue Beetle all do less than 400 million. Most do arounds 200
"REAL" DC fans: Snyder and the Rock sucks! Its There fault Shazam, Flash, Blue Beetle bombed!
@@LoadedKlip"with little to make care for continuity.."
Oh you mean like Snyder who couldn't get Mera's backstory straight as it relates in the Aquaman movie?
Note: 2:09 keep in mind that this release “Black Adam” wasn’t released globally. It makes a big difference. It did good in the United States, but without global release.. you will not get that kind of numbers.
Yeah, but it wasn't good either 😅
@@helios9296actually it was.
But that's the only issue... It was just good. Not excellent or amazing.
But that's fine, you can build off of good and get to great.
My problem is he lied about the movies he killed the anticipation for, muddled the ending for the flash and treating Aquaman like a bitch as the only billion dollar DCEU movie.
Lack of advertising for the films hurt it too. Shazam: Fury Of The Gods is good. I do highly recomended it.
...you might be too much in your bubble, a lot of people including major publications were talking about the possibility of a straight reboot of the DCEU before James Gunn.
"people had their fill of flash"
I'll take that and raise you "why haven't people had their fill of Batman"? How many cartoons, video games, movies live action or animated have we gotten in the past decade? How many times has the caped crusader stolen the spot light whenever he shows up in other media like teen titans go or justice league action? And if that doesn't tire you then how bout this; We have 3 live action batmen continuities coming up at the same time! A sequel to the joker movie which is its own thing; a Robert Pattison "The Batman" sequel, and now this new DCU movie with Damian Wayne's robin....no thanks. i just wanted a Batfleck trilogy but I believe that ship has looong long since sailed and Ben doesn't seem that interested anymore. Oh well, too good to have.
Finally someone says it.Brilliant resumée! Because you are so right about it. James GUnn totally ruined the complete DCEU.
Black Adam was ruined by THE ROCK and his greed (in my eyes)
Blue Beetle is just inclusive garbage
The main problem is that they fired all their good actors like
a) Henry Caville => Supermans perfect match
b) Gale Gadot => Wonder Womans perfect match
c) Christian Bale => Batmans perfect match
d) Jeason Mammoa not longer as Aquaman
Instead they make Ezra MIller to the new flagship. The bad boy of hollywood with more skandals, crimes and psychological problems than anyone else, but protected by the Warner Bros Lawsuit, Bodyguard and Payment roll... and representor of the LGBTQ movement.. and thats why he was revived in the DCEU. To satisfy this kind of audience... so the usual audience will quit the DCEU.
Where you are also so very on point is that we can see there is no real story anymore behind the movies, where some heroes teamup to fight ... something. You could compare this to the league of the extraordinary gentlemen - and they did it so much better than the DCEU, but stil a very bad movie with a forgettable storyline... which is badly written. Fact is: Too many heroes make the story bad, because you cant follow someones story anymore and lose track. And instead of breaking the 4rth wall you crash in front od the 3rd wall and distance yourself and force yourself to watch it till the end and ... like a never again safari...
It doesn't Help that in the Harley series They're constantly insulting Snyder & Praising Gunn
_One thing is the fans do that things, but when the Studio does That only reveals the deplorable state they currently are_
First off, suicide squad was palatable, not great. But no one wanted the MCU type humor in the DCEU. Second, Zack Snyders Justice League was as long as it was because he crammed material from 2, almost 3 movies into 1 so that the fans could see what could have been. The problem is that Warner Brothers seems to be undermining their own projects
the DCEU and sony spider-man villain films need to be studied and analyzed for their masterful way of messing literally everything up and only being consistent at complete incompetence 😂
“Why isn’t there any Aquaman 2 anything marketing?”
Simply put, the SAG-AFTRA actors strike going on means that no actors can be present for any upcoming film marketing outside of appearing in posters or trailers (main example would be Comic Con panels or world premieres, hence why Comic Con was actually about COMICS for once this year). And with Flash already bombing and Blue Beetle not given much marketing before the strike, what makes you think they’re gonna care about Aquaman 2? If it’s not gonna be delayed by the time of December because of everything else getting delayed, they’re gonna just do a trailer and admit that it already bombed before release essentially. Especially with all the stuff regarding Amber Heard like with Ezra Miller for Flash
"Batgirl" didn't even come out and got a better reception than Flash
Benny now looks like that guy that causes you to cross the street before you get to your destination...😅
The Batman, Joker, and the Spiderverse movies all prove that you don't need a "linked in" movie. You just need to make a good movie. There is no magical formula other than making good movies.
The spiderverse IS linked🤣🤣🤷🏽♂️🤣
"THAT'S HOW THIS BRAIN SOUP WORKS!!" That fucking killed me.
The next movie will be"Booster gold" or "Aqualad" the most random superheroes
I like "booster hole"
I feel like alot of the problems of why thr Flash failed was because of Ezra Miller and what he was doing. Not to mention I feel like Aquaman is going to fail badly because of Amber Heard and the constant "oh she's not in it/she's still in it"
I don't understand why the WB/DC didn't just do the Sin City thing and make movies like that or try and start building towards something like COIE, Death Metal, Identity Crisis or Forever Evil. Having Darkseid be the main villain of the second JL movie would've been fine and having The Crime Syndicate afterwards would've been fine and vice versa.
I agree. For Batman movies, I would prefer a more stylized movie. Something between Batman Returns and Sin City. They need to create a more fantastical universe where characters such as Mad Hatter and Clay Face and Mr. Freeze can exist.
Cavill wasn't fired, he just wasn't hired. Chris Hemsworth isn't under contract to do another Thor movie so if he wants to play Thor again they will give him another contact.
Don’t announce a roadmap of your reboot universe before your slate of DCEU movies releases
Simple as this 🤷🏽♂️ it can confuse the fuck out of people who love the material..and it’ll definitely confuse the casual movie goer
I personally think that announcing the new dcu before the rest of the dceu movies came out along with firing Henry Cavil really hurt the ending of that universe and already caused issues with the new universe. Add on these wild stories (true or untrue) that characters like Peacemaker or Gal Galdot might stay but not Henry makes it more confusing and leaves a bad tastes in some ppls mouths. I think Gunn should have waited till after this Aquaman 2 to say anything about a new dcu and I also think they should have done one last film to close out the dceu, as a last hurrah. The flash could have been that but when they removed all the cameos including Cavil (plus I don’t think it was very good imo) it just ruined that. I think the smart play would have been to have one final Superman film or one final Justice league film to say okay this is the end, here you go. Now, here it is the new dcu. That’s my two cents.
Eh, I don't think so. You really think a studio is gonna wanna put MORE money in a sinking ship by doing another JL or Superman film?
Also Gunn was getting messaged daily about the new slate. All DC fans were asking for a slate, and now that Gunn delivered a slate, ppl are now complaining it's hurting future DC movies. If you need a movie to be connected in order to see it then it says more about the audience then the studio itself
@@SpyJamz I think in the end, all these films would have performed better had Gunn not said beforehand that essentially they don’t matter. Not saying that is wrong or right but that’s how a lot of people treat these films now. I’m also convinced that a Superman or Justice League film would have also done very well as most fans of dc were excited to see Cavil back. I also think a Justice League like film would have done at least better than what they’ve done recently as ZS Justice league was overall received well so I do think even pumping more money to make these films would have still gained than some at least compared to now. And yes lots of ppl were asking but he could have…you know, not answered or answered later or given a bunch of other answers. He really doesn’t have to answer fans. Most studio execs don’t. To your last point, If that says more about your audience…well there isn’t much you can do about that. That IS your audience and seems to be the majority because if it wasn’t these films would still be doing well but they aren’t.
James Gunns announcement imo wouldn't have made a huge difference in performance. Because they weren't doing well even before that. No movie since Aquaman (2018) has made over 400mil.
The truth is Black Adam/Shazam2 are really just Ok/mid films. The Flash is good but not blowing anyone's brain. On top of the Ezra controversy. They set themselves to fail.
Biggest issue they never stuck to a Plan/Visions. had too cooks behind the scenes. James Gunn has a real shot with Superman Legacy going forward. But it's DCs last chance
@@change023 Dude, people think the marvels are gonna bomb despite Marvel making well over a billion dollars without any similar intervention that Gunn has with DCUE.
The DCEU is done and has been since the beginning. There was no collision or plan. The sooner the dceu is done the better.
The average viewer probably doesn't even know about James Gunns plans. These films didn't underperform,, nor did they simply bomb (like ant man 3), these films straight up lost 100s of millions of dollars.
No one gives a shit about the dceu and there's no saving it.
@@SpyJamzI mean if they had no problem scraping Batgirl after dumping $90 mil into it they should have no problem doing it to close out the universe. I also believe if they had waited til after Aquaman 2 to announce that they were scrapping the DCEU, a final JL would’ve done well financially if it was actually done well. But we’ll never know
Universal actually did cinematic universes first with the original old school classic monster movie crossovers.
When it comes to James talking just to talk when it comes to Blue Beetle. Just remember he said Ben was interested in directing a DCU movie, then three months later Ben said he had no interest and James was going into a direction he didn’t agree with.
A couple of points.
Flash was Horrible. Total disrespect for the source in both story and main character. Idiotic handling of Batman (Gunn fault since we all read his tweets about Keaton), and a finale who ask for REVENGE.
BB was even worse. Bad story, bad characters. Obnoxious family with a mentally disabled protagonist who let his father die cos he's too dumb to fight. Granny with a Machine gun? Cmon....thats bad even in kindergarden
So the problem of the DCEU is...James Gunn
After he said these movies were useless, he started cutting scenes from the 4 you talked about, making them even worse. Flash Finale is ALL JAMES GUNN. Some of the reshooting of Aquaman....are all James Gunn cos he cut all Keaton and Affleck scenes
DCEU started making bad movies with Suicide Squad and JL butchered by WBD, when they started copying MCU movies style, hoping to get that 1B$ movie that Snyder failed to deliver. And Gunn project, after 7 failed movies in a row, 8 with Aquaman, wants to reboot the DCEU with THE SAME STRATEGY...copying the MCU...
What is the problem with DCEU?
James "The Clown" Gunn
They shouldn't have been billing the last DCEU movies as DCU entry points. Saying that Flash was a reset point and Blue Beetle was an entry point for the sake of it did not pay off and this "will they won't they" with the actors make things even more disorienting.
I agree. I think it’s as simple as this. If it’s not this simple, the attachment of these last few movies being the restart was the nail in the coffin.
You know the funny thing 🤣 fans were eagerly waiting to hear JG's plans as announced. James Gunn and Peter Safran's plans should definitely have been announced after Aquaman 2
This is probably one of the realest talk about the DCEU situation right now. I'm here for all of it.
The dceu was a mess from the ground up now James Gunn dcu is a mess and we haven't seen Superman legacy yet. He better fix this problem very soon
When you said "What happened?" All I thought of was Fairly Oddparent's Seinfeld parody character dating "What's up with that?" 😂😂
I saw Blue Beetle and what kills me more than anything is the idea that movie would get flushed down the toilet. I mean what other modern Superhero movie starts from the third person to hold the mantle and actually takes the time to talk about the other two individuals and pay them respect? Plus there's a great tie in there with Booster Gold and the Ted Kord Blue Beetle.
It's not like I want James to fail, but he doesn't give me confidence. The way he promoted The Flash makes him seem untrustworthy. Then his plans for the DCU doesn't give me confidence. Creature Commandos sounds fun, but I despise The Authority, and we are getting them before a Justice League film.
Then there is his show getting a season 2 and a spin-off.
The flash movie failed cuz it went backwards in time instead of " emerge with time" 🤷♂️ Nuff said
I love the ads.
The Snyderverse trilogy is beautiful
because,....
It challenges our heroes mentally,physically and morally in order to understand ....
The why of them.
Zack Snyder used this term a lot and it
refers to "a hero's journey".
WHY they help ?
WHY they save ?
WHY they risk their lives ?.....
Because they are heroes ! But the Snyderverse also asks....
WHY are they heroes ?
The journey of overcoming pain and trial and darkness is the answer and it is only by seeing them fight through those moral challenges and thier personal darkness (that WE ALL have), that we can understand them as PEOPLE. People.
Because, at the end of the day, they are all just people trying to do the right thing and inspire hope. That is the journey to becoming the heroes that WE knew them as and it was nice to finally see the hardships and realistic struggles of our iconic heroes up close ! In a way, they are even more of heroes after experiencing the Snyderverse.
They also inspire real world Hope! If they are people and they can step into the light as heroes, we can too and that is a beautiful message that was intentionally put there by Zack Snyder and co.
This is not about
Tomatoes or "true DC fans" (as the haters call themselves) or "audience scores" this is
ART and BEAUTY for fans. How movies should be.
It is not gone ....
Thank God !!!
There is no TRUE problem with Jame's Gunns DCU because it has not started yet and it won't start until Superman: Legacy. As for him rebooting the former DCEU, literally none of the DCEU films that have come out in the last 5 years have even made 400 million dollars and have all been financial flops. The only DC films to have been profitabe were The Batman and the Joker movie, both of which are not connected to the DCEU whatsoever. The truth is that the DCEU never fully won over audiences and by this point the majority of audiences have simply abandoned it. As for anyone foolishly saying that they should bring back Zack Snyder, that would be a disastrous idea because the ones crying about "Restore the Snyderverse" is just a loud minority and would not make DC profitable and all the movies he directed underperfomed nor were they beloved. A reboot is absolutely the right move to save live-action DC movies.
Those whiny snyderverse nerds have a huge effect on the outcome of movies. If all you see on twitter is “dont watch this movie” then people arent going to watch it hate to say but now most decisions are heavily influenced by social media
Damn the amount of respect I just lost for you when you said you believe the bad CGI in Flash was intentional.
As Obi Wan Kenobi said "who's the bigger fool, the fool or the fool who follows him?"
Who's the bigger idiot, the director for starting such a piss poor lie, or the people that belevie it
I'm willing to bet james gunn saw the upcoming movies and was quick to clarify he had nothing to do with them. He wanted to be judged by his own work, and that makes sense, but yeah, making that announcement when they did instead of waiting didn't make sense.
Honestly the best thing I watched that was DCEU related was the animated show young justice...great representation of all characters and relevant story lines that kept me interested...IF the movies ever even come close to that I think the fans would be happy
Wait, don’t we have a shot of Jason Momoa and some skin tight black suit?
It kind of amazes me they performed a miracle and made the golden green or orange and green suit look good and you’re gonna dump it.
I didn’t realise Aquaman was that close to releasing but yeah not even a poster or any kind of promotion is weird, I remember hearing around the Johnny Depp Amber Heard lawsuit they cut her scenes down by like 90% and was very important to the story (although it’s a trust me bro source I barely remember now)
Black Adam was also a HUGE flop. The budget was $260 Million plus about $150+ in marketing and it only made $390 worldwide. So it was a HUGE flop and Dwayne keeps acting like it was a hit and they still didn't want him.
There were way more scenes in the flash with terrible CGI than just the time traveling scenes, that movie isn’t great even without the Ezra controversy
The problem starts early in this video. For the sake of this - I'm not a huge fan of Zaslav or his personal politics and the way that they have had to deal with the 50B+ of debt that AT&T drove them to is unfortunate. I'm not here to defend him, but the true impact of what he brings to WB really isn't apparent (yet).
The problem isn't "James Gunn taking over DC Studios", it was announced in one of the first Zaslav investor calls (I believe March/April 2020 shortly after Discovery/WB merged/acquired. Zaslav noted at the time he was looking for a Feige type to lead the studios and DC Studios was going to be set up in a way similar to Marvel. The failure on Zaslav and WB in regards to the DCEU and Cavill was not keeping reigns on Hamada's promises and (this is a rumor) Dwayne Johnson as they (and others) tried to position themselves to be the heads of DC Studios. Gunn (and Safran... remember him?) inherited this problem.
It's also important to note that movies and shows take a long time to develop and for theatrical movies there are a lot of legalities involved in how they are released. You can shelf a Batgirl film because there is no Box Office residuals attached to a streaming only film, but in the case of a theatrical presentation, producers and production companies expect residuals and a percentage of the box office (if successful). See the lawsuit of Johanesson v. Disney and the Matrix producers vs. Warner. So The Flash, Shazam 2, Aquaman 2, Blue Beetle were always going to come out.
That said, the first film post AT&T, the first film that Zaslav greenlit was Joker 2, and that doesn't come out for another 13 months. All of this other "stuff" is contractually bound material that Warner Bros. has to deal with. And fine... actually since the Star Wars film and the Star Trek film (which were originally slated for December 2023), Aquaman will basically be the only film in IMAX for a few weeks during Christmas, which actually gives it a huge leg to stand on regardless of the quality of the film.
Lastly: "James Gunn fired Henry Cavil". This is where words are important and a responsibility: Cavill wasn't fired at all, he had verbal conversations with people at Warner Bros who were not in control of the future of Warner Bros. He was paid $250k for Black Adam and $250k for The Flash (a cameo later cut) prior to Gunn/Safran taking over. He did not have an existing contract with Warner Bros, it was a one off. He was 'promised' talks by people who were in 2-3 months not going to be in control.
Yes, he was jerked around. But the people making those promises are no longer at Warner Bros.
Everyone agrees that the DCEU was failing... Bringing in Gunn/Safran publicly wasn't for the fans, it was for investors as way to give investors a direction for the future of a potentially very lucrative franchise. Smart investors realize that Gunn/Safran's footprint will not even be felt until 2025. This is just business. You can't start production, writing, etc. in Hollywood these days... you can't secure production space, etc. without the leaks, so you lean into them. If the fans would have been OK waiting a year to let Gunn/Safran speak about the 'reboot' fine...
But don't pretend that all of us (including this TH-cam channel) didn't put pressure on Gunn/Safran to announce their schedule.
And Aquaman 2 trailer delay is because I think they were thinking of moving Dune to December due to the strikes. Since the Dune 2 decision was made (move it to 2024) the rumor is that New York Comic Con will be the massive launch of the Aquaman 2 trailer.
Also, in general, companies have been shortening their marketing campaigns significantly.
I'm sorry? What do you mean weirdly? Aquaman deserves every penny it got for being a very unique superhero movie for domestic general audiences and especially international audiences. And for the record, Aquaman isn't obscure: he's literally the poster boy for water/sea themed heroes, certainly more so than Namor is.
James Gunn did an interview with Michael Rosenbaum (Smallville's Lex Luthor) on the Inside of You podcast, and I think his vision seems pretty promising after hearing from him directly
The blue beetle marketing was also really bad
I think a big issue is people just aren’t going to the movies as much anymore
Benny's long hair looks good.
We all know the real problem with dceu and it is not synder, aryer, or gunn, it is wb. i read somewhere that bruce timm was suppose to be in charge and the dceu would have been just a live action version of dcau which would make sense. Superman should have been the first hero, than batman, wonder woman, flash/cyborg, aquaman, martian manhunter/hawkgirl movies. Than u do the justice league or do the justice league first than solo movies after. Wb scape that idea, they had the chance to create a great universe but didn't cause wb doesn't care enough
Its actually crazy how we never got a solo Ben Affleck Batman film, I would've liked to see it
They fired Johnny Depp from Fantastic Beasts and kept Amber Heard for Aquaman 2. They fired Henry Cavill and kept Ezra Miller. WB are not listening. James Gunn keeps making statements which contradict with what we know. Nobody trusts them anymore. The only loyalty that was left was from the Snyderverse fans who wanted it restored. Also the DCEU was never going anywhere, it was always trying to find its footing and there was no solidarity between things.
Great content. Problem with the DCU is the WB. Not allowing directors to direct and alternating between selling toys and trying to catch up with marvel lol. WB has stars that have controversy. Ezra miller and Amber Heard both of which fans expressed getting them replaced or they will not see the movie. Promoting the movie plays major factor because I don’t recall seeing any for blue beetle but I love the character from Cobra Kai.
The fact that Aquaman original made $1 billion was already confusing to me seeing as the only thing about it that was actually worth seeing was Momoa walking around (or swimming, I guess) topless being baller and the CGI being pretty cool. It was about as empty as you can get. I think people thought it would be Avatar with abs. Aquaman 2 is going to be judicial hearing with abs, just like Flashpoint was a judicial hearing with Batmen.
I think that movie was very popular in China.
Thank you for admitting we don’t have a good Justice League movie. Snyder was a major downfall for DC. Glad he’s gone
It’s honestly ridiculous and a little pretentious to say that “movies with meaning” stopped being made when the MCU got popular. There were more attempts to make universes that weren’t meant to be though.
You’ve got to love how Benny just embraced the infomercial life in his ads now.
On 4nem grave bro snapping 😭😂😂
The toy's won't sell if the films aren't right ! The movie's has to be right period
Let the fans get these movies:
1. Ben Affleck The BATMAN or rename it BATMAN VS DEATHSTROKE or BATMAN: DEATHSTROKE.
2. Keep Ben Affleck cameo in Aquaman 2
3. Make Man of Steel 2 with Henry Cavill
4. Release the AYER CUT of Suicide Squad!!!!
Then the fans may get united for Superman Legacy.
As a huge DC fan and someone who has gone to watch every DCEU movie in theaters; I’m really excited for James Gunn’s DCU. And while it’s a little confusing if it’s a hard reboot or soft reboot (I personally hope that it’s a hard reboot), I still believe that James Gunn is still the best person for the job. I think we all need to just wait for post Aquaman 2 for more information. My personal opinion, the DCEU was never established on a solid foundation and really didn’t use DC’s source material well.
we just have to wait with open eyes and be optimic
He fired Henry Cavill. That automatically makes Gunn irredeemable.
@@British_RogueRidiculous, Superman as a character is far bigger than one actor. Acting is a job, you're allowed to hire a new actor.
@@BeyondTrash-xe1vs Sure. But think about it.
Henry Cavill is a massive nerd. He has star power. Many female colleagues at my previous place of work would tune into a show or movie simply because he was the one starring in it.
Henry plays Warhammer 40k. That type of nerd is a massive bonus when adapting material to the big screen. He thoroughly researched his roles.
Removing a star like him means that the producers don't give a sh*t about the source materials _(I say this because Henry adores the source material of whatever show or movie he is working on)._ He was/is the one lead actor who was proudly on the audience's side, limiting the amount of banal story-telling Hollywood produces.
@@British_Roguehe was the lead to snyder’s trilogy, I think Corenswet deserves a shot in Gunn’s vision, like we got Reeve’s The Batman and I personally loved it even tho I thought Affleck looked so good and perfect “looking” Batman so I’m good without a batfleck movie. I also don’t blame Gunn for Cavil that’s on WB for wasting his potential and bringing him back in Black Adam, Gunn still is the right man, all his movies were up hill risks, even tho GOTG had the mcu everyone was saying going to flop, no one knew the team and he changed up the team but it was a hit. Plus he knows he can’t mess up Legacy
I went to see Blue Beetle 4 times. Each time crowds were laughing and even clapping in the end. It is a great movie better than Black Adam, Shazam 2, and Flash!!! It has that Mexican/Latino flavor that we are not used to seeing. The multicultural cast and cultural reference hit it out of the park. It’s a big fail to not have marketed/promo this this demographic more. Blue Beetle is a good movie at its base, but this added flavor makes it so much more enjoying and relatable if you have connections to the Mexican/Latino culture. I can see joe smoe out in the somewhere like Ohio, or Indiana not enjoying BB as much and even criticizing it as nothing new and thus not a good movie. I believe that Superhero genre is past its peak. There was a time when people will go watch pretty much anything superhero related. It’s now far over saturated with content. Those high $$$ numbers are no longer relevant for every thing...unless your a top character like Batman/Spider-Man. Studios need to re-evaluate their expectations, that appeal to the whole General Audience is no longer there. Add in the fiasco going on with WB DC, whose reputation as a whole is just damaged. Outside the core fan base many don’t care anymore. After so many failings it’s apparent that there is no big picture; just a mix match of ideas with no clear vision as a whole. ...Going back to Blue Beetle, of all that’s been put out, I have more interest in seeing the continued story of BB Jaime Reyes. They have to keep the cultural flavor though! Disclosure: I am from so cal ( where Mexican/ Latino culture is stronger than other places. I also have cultural connection with Mexican heritage. So yes I’m going to resonate with the culture than someone who isn’t. I stand firm on my opinion that they missed a target audience and should be looking to get success with the GA as a whole.
1. He's running the DCU (DC STUDIOS) not DCEU and yes, there is a difference.
2. He didn't fire Henry, he didn't hire him for the new universe.
3. Not a single person said the movies "weren't important."
4. Black Adam, Shazam: FOTG, The Flash, Blue Beetle, and Aquaman: TLK are the ENDING of the previous series.
5. Man of Steel leads into BVS and see Wonder Woman's origin story, which influences the creation of the Suicide Squad and the Justice League starting the new age of heroes, after which Aquaman gets the courage to confront himself, we get the second half of Wonder Woman's origin, new heroes emerge like the Birds of Prey, Shazam, Blue Beetle, and Black Adam while The Flash comes into his own incidentally returning to Man of Steel.
6. There are stills and set photos officially released for Aquaman: The Lost Kingdom.
7. The actual films don't factor into the new universe, although some characters will make their next first appearance in the next one. Marvel film logic is "it ties into the next film so go see how this film you don't care about ties into another film you don't care about that ties into one you do."
8. The fact that this rant exist is the exact reason why Gunn is choosing to start from a new place and not just "fix it." He's not in control of what they put in those films. How much money these films make or not doesn't affect the next universe. You clearly hate this shit, so just wait until the next reboot or just watch The Lost Kingdom anyway.
Finally somebody hit the nail on the head. The reason for the lack of interest in recent DC movies. No connectivity. Part of the reason we go is to see what's to come next. And with the DC universe starting over , there's no interest in Shazam and Blue Beetle because it doesn't lead to anything.
Synders dc competed with prime marvel. And did so well considering who they were competing with
I think the problem started by over trusting Zack Synder with too much control .. and then trying to rush things . Zack should only been in charge of MOS and its sequels not BVS or Justice league etc .
The James Gunn announcement was not a bad move … At least it has given WB a good standing on things and given audiences some sought of closure to the DCEU being a mess . We all look forward to SuperMan Legacy and I hope all lessons was already learnt
The fact that this was the last DC movie he saw in theaters
The DCEU was already on a downward trend the real question is will people still have interests in superhero movies in 2025 after all these bad superhero films ?
Spider-man, Superman, and Batman are probably the only ones who will have audiences regardless of whether people still care about superhero movies.
Listen as long as there are Spiderman Deadpool and Batman movies people will still watch
Actually the first Suicide Squad was a hit and made a lot of money. Despite most people preferring The Suicide Squad (2021) that one actually bombed horrendously
Yes his DCEU that hasn’t officially started yet since the first offical movie is actually his Superman film… all of these films before that were worked on and produced before he was hired to run the thing.
So, it was in fact James Gunn, not The Rock, who caused the hierarchy of power in the DC universe to change forever…
@0:48.. Sir Benny. What's going on with that tongue there?😂😅 who is making you laugh like that behind the camera?
Can you make the entire story arc of "The Hunt for Wolverine"?
James Gunn doesn't have anything until Superman legacy
*Pulls chair up to table. Sits down over cape and you can hear my cheeks rub against it*
Why Gunn is in a bad spot.
-Getting rid of Henry when he just came back for Black Adam. That killed the hype
-Releasing Zack Snyders version og Justice League which was WAY better than the theater version, and saying "that is it for the story".
-Saying there will be a reboot and most of the movies and cast DOES not MATTER was a bad PR move.
-Ezra Miller and Amber Heard hurt the DCEU/DCU that without any action taken it killed the support the Johnny Depp fans and those who don't like Ezra Miller walked out.
-Zack Snyder fans that said they won't support the DCU/DCEU anymore meant what they said and walked out.
-There was no clear story going forward after Snyder took time off and then sudden sacking. All DC films poster Snyders exit felt like cheap copy of marvel movies and making the plots less operatic and more :"goof balls" when it was established DC was more serious in how those characters represent society's morals and what we fear if their powers were used for evil.