Two points of note: There’s about 20 miles of additional range below 0% indicated. Not that you should regularly cut it that close, it’s nice to know that Nissan “hides” a fair amount of charge below 0. The 130KW charging speed is slow on paper, but it’s impressive that it holds that speed until about 50%, and it’ll still be charging above 70KW up to 85%. After that? It makes no sense to stay plugged in, but that recharging speed is pretty good for deep charges on road trips.
I always love your summer roadtrip videos, Tom. They make me miss the Pacific Northwest, where we used to live. Still, I'm not complaining about New Mexico which is also a great roadtrip state. The Ariya sounds like a good choice, but I think we'll be looking at the EV3 or EX30 when we trade in our Outback next year, if we think it practical to go full electric. Our other car is now a Tucson PHEV and that is working out very well for us as we have the gas tank in reserve in a state where the EV infrastructure is much poorer than WA or OR (and the population density is much lower here too). I love cruising around the city on electric power and charging it overnight on 110v, but you know well the advantages of PHEVs better than me. Keep up the great work. By the way, hope that the level 2 charger you had installed in your concrete bunker garage is working out well for you.
Nice video! I learned a lot about the vehicle! The Nissan Ariya just became one of my favourite electric vehicles! And I like it in this specification!
Tom, I have been watching your reviews since they were on KING 5 news on Saturday mornings. I would like to see you add a review of the headlights. As your viewing population ages, it would be nice to know how the headlights perform as our eyes age. I think you would be the first car reviewer giving a review/opinion on the headlights. Thanks
At least you bring up the points about mild temps and lower speed driving than on most interstates (75-80mph). Also, the almost 1 hour of charging is fine if you plan it around lunch, but if somebody just needs to get somewhere, you've just added 1 hour to your trip. That's a no go for almost everybody. For those above reasons many Americans choose not to buy an EV until it becomes more convenient for charging away from home and less range compromises because of winter time season. If you are only a suburban or city driver this is not a bad choice. However most people cannot afford 2 cars and the insurance to go with it.
Im picking the exact same trim on Friday. I plan to get the range level no lower than 50%. how is level 2 charging been? Also how is the standard 6 speaker setup/
@@Pdep90 Great choice. i did not try out the higher trims with the Bose system myself, so i cannot say how good the standard sound system is in comparison to that. I am really enjoying my music and podcasts a lot in this car because how quiet and refined it is when driving. To be honest, i drive with the radio off most of the time - just to chill and enjoy the ride. I like the dash materials and seat (light leatherette) of the Evolve trim more than the platinum's (personal preference). i am primarily charging at home with a level 1 charger with no issues. I only drive 30-40 miles a day.
We ought to be thinking more about miles-per-kWh than simple range. You can always find ways to stuff more and more and more batteries into a vehicle and boost range, even though those batteries weigh a lot. These days an efficient EV scores in the 3-4 miles per kWh range. A really (expensive) but super-efficient can hit 5. This car does poorly by comparison, and I wonder why?
Looks like a fun road trip and a beautiful park! An RV hookup would have been convenient at the park. I’m surprised more state parks don’t offer EV charging. With as many new charging stations coming online, access to Tesla Superchargers is becoming less critical but no less important.
I talked to a ranger there who said it's prohibitory expensive to install in remote areas. He said two EV driving campers teamed up to reserve 1 RV slot to chop the $40 fee in half. Each took a 10 hour shift. Only needed for one night so they could juice up to get back to Seattle.
Do you think the awd or pro pilot assist 2 is the better addition for pacific northwest drivers? Looking at a few different trim options at similar pricing (evolve awd or empower). Thanks for the great videos around Seattle!
I can tell you that AWD is helpful on our slick pavement, it's something you'll appreciate on every rainy day. Cuts efficiency though. PPA is helpful when doing a lot of highway driving, which you may or may not do. .
besides the charging speed and infrastructure, the other hurdle is the highway speed guzzle. that'll need to be worked out too. in california where every ev is available and even with tesla chargers, still a lot of ppl are driving 50+ miles on highway to get to/from work, some even more now since things were remote and now return to office.
I’d like to know the cost at the Ford dealer to “top up” your “tank” that took 58(!) minutes. How much of a premium is charged above the local cost of electricity in a given area? I remember seeing at the local Kroger outlet a couple years back that the kilowatt fee was far above the $0.055/KwH that I pay at home. I believe electricity in the area you were in is even cheaper than mine. Finally Tom, how much would it have cost you to do this drive in your Plug-in Electric’s compared to this electric vehicle? Would the time saved by skipping the Mexican restaurant/charging station been worth it to arrive at the lake an hour earlier?
It was $31.00 total at the Ford terminal, around 55 cents per kW. Pretty standard for DCFC, and more expensive than gas by about buck a gallon in WA (if an ICE vehicle gets 30MPG) . DCFCing is far more expensive than home charging, I pay 12 cents kW (which is why I stress charging where you sleep is critical for the best EV ownership experience). By getting free juice near the campsite (an anomaly) I paid a total of around $37.00 for driving 450 miles. If I paid for the top off in Pateros at 49 cents KW, it would have tacked on another $15 or so. And yes it took 58 minutes because, as most know, once EVs hit 80%, the charge rate slows dramatically to protect the pack. It happens to all of them. The strategy when traveling is to "work the bottom of the battery", charging to 80%, then driving to 5-10% before charging. Lather, rinse, repeat. It's by far the fastest way to travel in an EV. From 5-80% the Ariya will hold its rate near 130kW pretty steadily (if the terminal can supply the juice) so the charge curve is pretty good if not particularly fast. Something I didn't cover. Does this help?
As for driving a PHEV and skipping the charge session, that would have saved me no time at all. The group had planned that lunch together before I knew I driving an EV. And really, is our time so valuable that we can't occasionally stop and enjoy a snack or meal? Stop and smell the preverbal roses. Many waste that much time daily by doomscrolling.
@@DrivenCarReviews Thank you Tom for your thoughtful and extensive answer. It does help immensely. I will continue to save my money waiting for what I believe will happen……. True long range batteries capable of 450 miles winter or summer, highways or mountains. As always, continue your excellent reviews. And answers to queries!
@@DrivenCarReviews no doubt. But with Samsung, CATL, ONE and Toyota (+others) all predicting that time coming in the last few years of this decade someone is bound to make it happen. And don’t forget it’s not just the battery. The motors are shrinking and becoming more efficient as well as the wiring. Now if we could just shrink the damn wheels 😉
Peak charging speeds are marketing. Ariya is 130kw however from 10%-90% it averaged 100kW according to Car and Driver. The Hummer EV only managed 98kW average even though it peaked around 270kW.
The party trick on this vehicle might be the location of the charging port which is in the same location as a backed in Tesla so when Nissan gets supercharger access it might just be able to get close enough to a supercharger with a short cable to charge without taking up two stalls. The problem with the vehicle is the price and the mediocre charging speed and I haven’t heard of an updated Ariya on the horizon.
I will see the review in due time, but from what I've seen about this Nissan its cardinal sin is mediocre "EVness". Otherwise, it seems to be a pretty decent vehicle. Its a lot better than the car it replaces; but aside from the Toyota/Subaru twins its pretty much at the bottom of the current EV market as far as range, charging times and other critical factors for an EV. Hoping to see your take tomorrow. An additional note, as a japanese car enthusiats I'm sad to see how pathetic their EV efforts have been. The only competitive one is the Honda, and that's a product of badge engineering. Simply a disguised GM.
Real world range is about the same as the competitors on average. Not sure what you mean by "mediocre EVness" It has some unique characters about it. More than that could be said about others.
@@DrivenCarReviews Among "less expensive" EVs The top tier is Hundai/Kia while the worse are the Toyota. EVness is electric car specific. A huge livability concern with EV's is DC charging performance since it's a crucial component for road tripping. For example an ionic 5 and the Nissan may have the same range, but an Ionic 5 charges almost twice as fast. If you are going to charge 3 times in a day, thats an enormous advantage. Toyota Subaru doesnt allow you to DC fast charge more than 2 times a day abd the charging sessions are agonizingly slow. All EV's drive nice, are quiet, accelerate well and most have at least good ride and handling, what defferentiates them is mostly is how well or not they handle the inherent inconviniences of having a battery (EVness). EVs are better than gas cars in pretty much every way but they do have convinience compromises not to mention that they are still too expensive for a significant proportion of the population. Its getting there but we are not there quite yet.
Never look at the max charging speed, look at the charge curve. Nissan charges 10-80% with 107kw average, which is actually better than the Tesla Model Y charge average of 101kw, even though Tesla maxes out at a whopping 250kw. Too bad the car is a parenthesis, even in the EV heavy northern Europe markets of Norway, Denmark, Sweden and Finland.
Two points of note:
There’s about 20 miles of additional range below 0% indicated. Not that you should regularly cut it that close, it’s nice to know that Nissan “hides” a fair amount of charge below 0.
The 130KW charging speed is slow on paper, but it’s impressive that it holds that speed until about 50%, and it’ll still be charging above 70KW up to 85%.
After that? It makes no sense to stay plugged in, but that recharging speed is pretty good for deep charges on road trips.
The design is better than a Tesla, of course the tradition and experience of Nissan, interesting!👏🏼👏👏🏾👏🏿👏🏻🏆
I always love your summer roadtrip videos, Tom. They make me miss the Pacific Northwest, where we used to live. Still, I'm not complaining about New Mexico which is also a great roadtrip state. The Ariya sounds like a good choice, but I think we'll be looking at the EV3 or EX30 when we trade in our Outback next year, if we think it practical to go full electric. Our other car is now a Tucson PHEV and that is working out very well for us as we have the gas tank in reserve in a state where the EV infrastructure is much poorer than WA or OR (and the population density is much lower here too). I love cruising around the city on electric power and charging it overnight on 110v, but you know well the advantages of PHEVs better than me. Keep up the great work. By the way, hope that the level 2 charger you had installed in your concrete bunker garage is working out well for you.
Great report. This will really inspire confidence.
Nice video! I learned a lot about the vehicle! The Nissan Ariya just became one of my favourite electric vehicles! And I like it in this specification!
Good video, nice to see the range is close to its rating
Tom, I have been watching your reviews since they were on KING 5 news on Saturday mornings. I would like to see you add a review of the headlights. As your viewing population ages, it would be nice to know how the headlights perform as our eyes age. I think you would be the first car reviewer giving a review/opinion on the headlights. Thanks
Thanks for the video. Very informative. The Chargeway app looks pretty great. Hadn’t heard of it before.
Thanks for the recipe!
Thanks for the review. One must keep in mind the reviewers who own the vehicle has pros and cons.
Great video, as always, and nice to see your wife -which was new. 😊
At least you bring up the points about mild temps and lower speed driving than on most interstates (75-80mph). Also, the almost 1 hour of charging is fine if you plan it around lunch, but if somebody just needs to get somewhere, you've just added 1 hour to your trip. That's a no go for almost everybody. For those above reasons many Americans choose not to buy an EV until it becomes more convenient for charging away from home and less range compromises because of winter time season. If you are only a suburban or city driver this is not a bad choice. However most people cannot afford 2 cars and the insurance to go with it.
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I have an Evolve+ e4orce. Happy to answer any questions
Im picking the exact same trim on Friday. I plan to get the range level no lower than 50%. how is level 2 charging been? Also how is the standard 6 speaker setup/
@@Pdep90 Great choice. i did not try out the higher trims with the Bose system myself, so i cannot say how good the standard sound system is in comparison to that. I am really enjoying my music and podcasts a lot in this car because how quiet and refined it is when driving. To be honest, i drive with the radio off most of the time - just to chill and enjoy the ride. I like the dash materials and seat (light leatherette) of the Evolve trim more than the platinum's (personal preference).
i am primarily charging at home with a level 1 charger with no issues. I only drive 30-40 miles a day.
Is the app to control the vehicle and charge times the regular Nissan app?
We ought to be thinking more about miles-per-kWh than simple range. You can always find ways to stuff more and more and more batteries into a vehicle and boost range, even though those batteries weigh a lot. These days an efficient EV scores in the 3-4 miles per kWh range. A really (expensive) but super-efficient can hit 5. This car does poorly by comparison, and I wonder why?
On a Wednesday 👏👏
Looks like a fun road trip and a beautiful park! An RV hookup would have been convenient at the park. I’m surprised more state parks don’t offer EV charging. With as many new charging stations coming online, access to Tesla Superchargers is becoming less critical but no less important.
I talked to a ranger there who said it's prohibitory expensive to install in remote areas. He said two EV driving campers teamed up to reserve 1 RV slot to chop the $40 fee in half. Each took a 10 hour shift. Only needed for one night so they could juice up to get back to Seattle.
@@DrivenCarReviews thanks for the scoop! Probably something we can suggest to our reps to fund. Appreciate your content as always, thanks Tom!
Do you think the awd or pro pilot assist 2 is the better addition for pacific northwest drivers? Looking at a few different trim options at similar pricing (evolve awd or empower). Thanks for the great videos around Seattle!
I can tell you that AWD is helpful on our slick pavement, it's something you'll appreciate on every rainy day. Cuts efficiency though. PPA is helpful when doing a lot of highway driving, which you may or may not do. .
besides the charging speed and infrastructure, the other hurdle is the highway speed guzzle. that'll need to be worked out too. in california where every ev is available and even with tesla chargers, still a lot of ppl are driving 50+ miles on highway to get to/from work, some even more now since things were remote and now return to office.
I’d like to know the cost at the Ford dealer to “top up” your “tank” that took 58(!) minutes. How much of a premium is charged above the local cost of electricity in a given area? I remember seeing at the local Kroger outlet a couple years back that the kilowatt fee was far above the $0.055/KwH that I pay at home. I believe electricity in the area you were in is even cheaper than mine.
Finally Tom, how much would it have cost you to do this drive in your Plug-in Electric’s compared to this electric vehicle? Would the time saved by skipping the Mexican restaurant/charging station been worth it to arrive at the lake an hour earlier?
It was $31.00 total at the Ford terminal, around 55 cents per kW. Pretty standard for DCFC, and more expensive than gas by about buck a gallon in WA (if an ICE vehicle gets 30MPG) . DCFCing is far more expensive than home charging, I pay 12 cents kW (which is why I stress charging where you sleep is critical for the best EV ownership experience). By getting free juice near the campsite (an anomaly) I paid a total of around $37.00 for driving 450 miles. If I paid for the top off in Pateros at 49 cents KW, it would have tacked on another $15 or so.
And yes it took 58 minutes because, as most know, once EVs hit 80%, the charge rate slows dramatically to protect the pack. It happens to all of them. The strategy when traveling is to "work the bottom of the battery", charging to 80%, then driving to 5-10% before charging. Lather, rinse, repeat. It's by far the fastest way to travel in an EV. From 5-80% the Ariya will hold its rate near 130kW pretty steadily (if the terminal can supply the juice) so the charge curve is pretty good if not particularly fast. Something I didn't cover.
Does this help?
As for driving a PHEV and skipping the charge session, that would have saved me no time at all. The group had planned that lunch together before I knew I driving an EV. And really, is our time so valuable that we can't occasionally stop and enjoy a snack or meal? Stop and smell the preverbal roses. Many waste that much time daily by doomscrolling.
@@DrivenCarReviews Thank you Tom for your thoughtful and extensive answer. It does help immensely. I will continue to save my money waiting for what I believe will happen……. True long range batteries capable of 450 miles winter or summer, highways or mountains.
As always, continue your excellent reviews. And answers to queries!
@@tommihelich2613 Unless you plan on buying a Lucid Air, I suspect you'll be waiting a long long time for that vehicle. If it ever arrives.
@@DrivenCarReviews no doubt. But with Samsung, CATL, ONE and Toyota (+others) all predicting that time coming in the last few years of this decade someone is bound to make it happen. And don’t forget it’s not just the battery. The motors are shrinking and becoming more efficient as well as the wiring. Now if we could just shrink the damn wheels 😉
this is a nice sub for a Tesla model y
Peak charging speeds are marketing. Ariya is 130kw however from 10%-90% it averaged 100kW according to Car and Driver. The Hummer EV only managed 98kW average even though it peaked around 270kW.
The party trick on this vehicle might be the location of the charging port which is in the same location as a backed in Tesla so when Nissan gets supercharger access it might just be able to get close enough to a supercharger with a short cable to charge without taking up two stalls. The problem with the vehicle is the price and the mediocre charging speed and I haven’t heard of an updated Ariya on the horizon.
Funny, Cory and Tom both got Chinese Wives. safe bet for modern white gentlemen
I will see the review in due time, but from what I've seen about this Nissan its cardinal sin is mediocre "EVness". Otherwise, it seems to be a pretty decent vehicle. Its a lot better than the car it replaces; but aside from the Toyota/Subaru twins its pretty much at the bottom of the current EV market as far as range, charging times and other critical factors for an EV. Hoping to see your take tomorrow.
An additional note, as a japanese car enthusiats I'm sad to see how pathetic their EV efforts have been. The only competitive one is the Honda, and that's a product of badge engineering. Simply a disguised GM.
Real world range is about the same as the competitors on average. Not sure what you mean by "mediocre EVness" It has some unique characters about it. More than that could be said about others.
@@DrivenCarReviews Among "less expensive" EVs The top tier is Hundai/Kia while the worse are the Toyota. EVness is electric car specific. A huge livability concern with EV's is DC charging performance since it's a crucial component for road tripping. For example an ionic 5 and the Nissan may have the same range, but an Ionic 5 charges almost twice as fast. If you are going to charge 3 times in a day, thats an enormous advantage. Toyota Subaru doesnt allow you to DC fast charge more than 2 times a day abd the charging sessions are agonizingly slow. All EV's drive nice, are quiet, accelerate well and most have at least good ride and handling, what defferentiates them is mostly is how well or not they handle the inherent inconviniences of having a battery (EVness). EVs are better than gas cars in pretty much every way but they do have convinience compromises not to mention that they are still too expensive for a significant proportion of the population. Its getting there but we are not there quite yet.
The comparison to Ioniq and EV6 is moot. They are completely different in looks and type.
Never look at the max charging speed, look at the charge curve. Nissan charges 10-80% with 107kw average, which is actually better than the Tesla Model Y charge average of 101kw, even though Tesla maxes out at a whopping 250kw. Too bad the car is a parenthesis, even in the EV heavy northern Europe markets of Norway, Denmark, Sweden and Finland.
$57K for a Nissan and no tax credit……PASS
Ya you are right. Not even $7K incentives from Nissan