Great video and explanation Chris! I hope they use this video on their website if these become available for your average airgunner. It will sell a lot of them.
That's one smart thinking for expansion tail to locked-in pressures for projections. With this idea Lehigh could build smt like 500 yards capability slug with micro hollowpoint tip. Just a thought... good 👍 shooting Chris.
Ya - these are 75 yards and closer slugs for sure, but I was pretty pleased with the penetration it was getting. That last test was so much melon (water) and was actually surprised it made it to the back ribs. In a real world situation with a double lung shot these would 100% be a full pass through.
@@UpNorthAirGunner I believe it. I really like how it opens up. As the bottle test showed. I'd love to see what it would do to a coyote or a PRAIRIE DOG! oh man. I'd love to see a 400 grain one for big stuff like bear and elk. I bet the price will be the second half of the last name. Lehigh. Great test though. I'd like to see it hit ballistics gel just to see penetration and how far and in what directions the petals flew.
Agreed! These are a fantastic 75 yards and closer ammo choice. At only 240 grains in a .50 cal slug, the sectional density and BC is a bit too low for 100+ yard shots.
Hi Chris, I have the 45 caliber texan (love it) but I need non lead ammo here in California. Johnny Law is always looking to bust anyone they can around here. I don't see these copper one on the lehigh site. Can you please direct me to how or where I can acquire some non lead ammo? Much apricated. Thanks..
I think they are going to work up a .457 option and if you look at the pricing of their other ammo it looks like these will be in that $1.25 per slug range. Gucci ammo for sure, but for Deer hunting it is like buying mechanical broadheads vs. a field point tip in archery.
Wow Chris! That is pure carnage delivery! Too bad for the rib-lets but science must be answered and explored right? Thank you for all of your efforts and for always sharing awesome content. I watched your review on the Avenger and could not stand it until I ordered one. I will set it up, play, and eventually give it to my girlfriend whom is getting the "bug". Maybe she will let me shoot my Armada once in a while now. Yellow Jackets are starting to get uppity.....
Nick really did a great job on that slug. Reduced friction with that knurling and that hollowpoint looks nasty! Make sure to check out Rick's Shooter1721 channel for the testing and review for that slug. Pretty sweet!
I have access to copper busbars i wonder if those are suitable for making these? Is there a heat class to these monolithic rounds? I have CNCs I can turn these out all day long if they're a game changer.
Thanks for the video, very interesting. Question - does the copper damage the rifling inside the barrel at all? Also, you said these weigh 240 grains.. is there any other weight option? Thanks man keep up the good work
Yes they will erase/damage your rifling in your airgun barrel😞 The only way that i can see these slugs not destroying an airgun barrel is to powder coat them, so the softer powder coating can ride the rifling👍
I know this one is made specially for air guns, but can you use the once(copper) that are made for fire arms that have the flat bottom on the Texan? did you try that?
Anyone try shooting these through a Donny FL brand airgun suppressor? Any risk of damage to the suppressor? That flaring thing sounds like it could expand into the baffles...
I'm actually using a DonnyFL adapter for the Texan LSS where it removes the OEM cap on the end and I have the Ronin supressor on the end. So you might be a bit confused on how these work. The expand on impact of the game animal and not when you fire them. So no issues shooting through a supressor.
@@jesusoftheapes I'm trying to find the Lehigh defense ammo Thank you for you reply back hopefully you can help me I've asked many people still can't find them anywhere
A typical moose harvest in my area is about 50 to 100 yards with 70 being average. I live in a brushy area and they have natural paths. I've been hunting since I was 3. I'm now 55
Very cool, I contacted them about AG rounds a while back and they said they were working on it, I guess this is them. I just picked up some of there .308 Maximum Expansion rounds for my Texan SS They are too long for the breech so I am going to shorten them and test at 140gn. Not sure what would be better the peel back petals in the Max Expansion or the detachable petals you have?? Time will tell but this is a total game changer for big game AG hunting. I have Texan SS in .308 and .357 and hope they branch out to those sizes as well. Great vid!!
Be careful loading those .308s! You most likely will get one lodged in the barrel. What makes this possible is these are sized to .50 in the .510 Texan barrel with that gas check in the rear. My guess is to get the .308s to work it is going to need to be a .303 sized slug with those gas check fins. We are working with them to get the Maximum Expansion version of these tested as well.
where would you get your air tank refilled at? sure is a lot quieter then a 30-06 or 308, my longest shot at a deer would have to say about 100 yards maybe just under, and he didnt run very far
You have to purchase a high pressure air pump that goes up to 4500 psi or get it filled at a place that fills diving tanks. I fill a 70 gal. Tank and take to the range. Otherwise I only get 3 shots with my Hammer.
I can’t find this ammo anywhere. Seems as though there is a crackdown on .50 cal airgun ammo. Only thing available is from Umarex and Seneca. Neither have great reviews
Need these in .45 or it is a deal-killer and I'll mail this brand-new Texan back to the manufacturer. BTW Lehigh is out of stock on the .50 caliber. Please indicate interest here: www.lehighdefense.com/500-f5-hunter-controlled-fracturing-240gr-airgun-bullet
The fact that they don’t have a lead free slug options is the only reason I didn’t get into air rifles!!, also the fda put out a notice lowering there minim lead exposure to nothing as more research Has come out regarding its toxicity
@@robmack151 lol no definitely not. But seriously this isn’t about the fda, this is about the fact that there is proof that Micro particles of lead get dispersed up to 8 inches in every direction after a lead bullet hits flesh. And lead toxicity might not instantly kill you but it certainly affects your functioning. For instance it has been shown that certain populations of the Roman empire specifically those in power had high levels of lead and arsenic in their bones as a result of long-term exposure to lead. It has been theorized that this resulted in many of the empathetic and cultural differences between the super rich in the super poor in the Roman empire possibly resulting in the fall of the Roman Empire.
@@gregmcb5305 ... I don't disagree that lead accumulates, and is toxic. I'm curious about particulates in meat, outside of points of contacts like entrance, exit and wound cavity... though most all of that damaged meat is discarded.
LOL! Do you know how much I spend on broadheads? This is a screaming deal in comparison! This ain't your paper punching slug. This is your filling the freezer ammo. LOL!
@@UpNorthAirGunner I stand corrected thank you. It's funny that your video is on the east side of Michigan I'm from the SW side of the state and my choice of hunting gun is a smoke pole
Donald Ballman I too used to run the smoke pole, but now I run the Great Wind! I fell in love with this technology after I learned more about the history of these guns and how Lewis and Clark’s Expedition was defined by the use of a big bore Airgun. Watch: m.th-cam.com/video/-pqFyKh-rUI/w-d-xo.html
I would like to see these hit an animal from the Hammer or this incredibly overpriced single shot airforce rifle . I want to pull the trigger on one of these big bore rifles . The Hammers multi shot feature makes it the one I would choose but I am waiting until the Sig Air rifle guys put out their american made big bore hunting pcp on the market . Sounds like it's going to revolutionize the product in price and function . All metal platform rifle with up to 800 foot pounds of energy in the 50 caliber and up to 5 regulated shots on a dual tank system with a magazine system said to also be a revolution in a PCP rifles . They have been developing the rifle now for 3 years and it has to make it to market eventually .
So I have been using the Texan to Deer hunt for 4 years now and you know how many follow up shots I needed? ZERO. Here is more food for thought.... Head to head I can put 5 rounds on a steel target hand loading vs. a silly 2 shot magazine. I can hand load a second round into the Texan pretty darn quick if I need a follow up shot.
@@UpNorthAirGunner I have dropped 3 deer in on 10 second period rifle hunting. Having more than one shot is important if you have more than one tag to fill or hog hunt so you can drop more than one of the damn things. It is a need in hunting unless you are not a meat hunter relying on things to feed your family for a year.
I got a few boxes ordered last week. Delivered today. These bullets are beautiful in person.
Where do you order them .Just ordered new texan 50 cal and need to order bullets.ThanksHappy Shooting my friend
I carry Underwood/Lehigh Defense in my edc Glock 19, it's a 105 grain +p controlled fracturing hp. This company makes great bullets.👍
I am getting into this. I never saw one until the other day but with ammo prices this seems like a no brainer.
Great video Chris ! Can’t wait till we get our test samples ! Looking forward to testing these bad boys !!
That would be fun!
Airguns Texan top markotop.... Awesome.
Its just like those "Rip"rounds that have several petals break off😬Damn Nasty Round!
Great video and explanation Chris! I hope they use this video on their website if these become available for your average airgunner. It will sell a lot of them.
Found two boxes of these leghigh bullets now gotta find cups for texan 50 cal nay ideas
These don't need sabot cups. Just shoot them.
@@UpNorthAirGunner ok thanks
That's one smart thinking for expansion tail to locked-in pressures for projections. With this idea Lehigh could build smt like 500 yards capability slug with micro hollowpoint tip. Just a thought... good 👍 shooting Chris.
Love your Videos, hello from South Florida
I wounder if they been tested in a brass cartridge with gunpowder instead of air
As a matter of fact this slug design started off for firearms and Lehigh sells a lot of this stuff for self defense and hunting.
Lehigh is a mad good bullet maker.
Very nice! good to see all the tech advancements for airgunners these days.
Great video man! i would like to see impacts on a clear ballistic gel at 100 yards. keep up the great work!!
awesome video buddy. those things are amazing
Another great video Chris !! Looking forward to Deer Camp !!!
Soon brother! Soon.
Thank you for all the good information
cant wait to finish getting gun setup and trying these. Thnks you guys Love the videos.Hope to make my own soon
How can I get a hold of a few boxes ???? Anyone have a link
Talk with Chad Simon at Lethal Air
Thanks … there out of stock at the moment but at least I know where to look 👀
Awesome and great video Keep up the great work
Awesome man. Its an odd way to marinate some ribs but if it works it works.
Very cool video! It's a great time to be an airgunner. Those have a lot of promise. I'd like to see a heavier core to get full pass through.
Ya - these are 75 yards and closer slugs for sure, but I was pretty pleased with the penetration it was getting. That last test was so much melon (water) and was actually surprised it made it to the back ribs. In a real world situation with a double lung shot these would 100% be a full pass through.
@@UpNorthAirGunner I believe it. I really like how it opens up. As the bottle test showed. I'd love to see what it would do to a coyote or a PRAIRIE DOG! oh man. I'd love to see a 400 grain one for big stuff like bear and elk. I bet the price will be the second half of the last name. Lehigh. Great test though. I'd like to see it hit ballistics gel just to see penetration and how far and in what directions the petals flew.
I wish Wisconsin had big game air gun hunting
I talked to the DNR and they said they have no intentions of making large bore Airguns legal for big game. The guy was a dick.
They’re still stuck-on-stupid!!!
Is now.
Great video thanks for demonstrating those Pellets LOL. They are real accurate for close range.
Agreed! These are a fantastic 75 yards and closer ammo choice. At only 240 grains in a .50 cal slug, the sectional density and BC is a bit too low for 100+ yard shots.
@@UpNorthAirGunner
Where can I purchase these Slugs
And idea on when these pellets will be on the market?
Go to Lehigh Defense and search F5 Airgun. They are out of stock.
FLAT OUT WICKED!!!!!😳🤯😳
Imagine How much better ..IF they were Brass . Brass is self lubricating. Self dieseling.
I think Brass and Copper's friction coefficient are almost exactly the same.
have you tried a sabot round? i'd like to see how it performs, just remember to oil the barrel =-)
Watch my other videos on my channel Gel testing for the .50 and .457 caliber where I test sabots.
Hi Chris, I have the 45 caliber texan (love it) but I need non lead ammo here in California. Johnny Law is always looking to bust anyone they can around here. I don't see these copper one on the lehigh site. Can you please direct me to how or where I can acquire some non lead ammo? Much apricated. Thanks..
I like real guns but I also like what I see with big bore air guns. Lehigh makes great ammo.!!!!
great job chris whats the price and is there a 45 option?
I think they are going to work up a .457 option and if you look at the pricing of their other ammo it looks like these will be in that $1.25 per slug range. Gucci ammo for sure, but for Deer hunting it is like buying mechanical broadheads vs. a field point tip in archery.
Air...what an element.
Ya Chris; don't forget us .25 guys.....
Wow Chris! That is pure carnage delivery! Too bad for the rib-lets but science must be answered and explored right? Thank you for all of your efforts and for always sharing awesome content. I watched your review on the Avenger and could not stand it until I ordered one. I will set it up, play, and eventually give it to my girlfriend whom is getting the "bug". Maybe she will let me shoot my Armada once in a while now. Yellow Jackets are starting to get uppity.....
Ya that Avenger is SWEEET! It slings slugs just as good as pellets which is crazy.
Just ordered 3 boxes . Have you had the opportunity to harvest a deer with them yet?
Looking for some to deer hunt with Where can i buy them.Thank you
Hope they add the .458/.452 sizes. 8)
I need to try these! Do they void your warranty?
Those things are a hunters dream!!!
Great video 👍
The NSA has new ammunition.
45 HP-BT-Knurl.
Will you test it?
Nick really did a great job on that slug. Reduced friction with that knurling and that hollowpoint looks nasty! Make sure to check out Rick's Shooter1721 channel for the testing and review for that slug. Pretty sweet!
Thanks.
I have access to copper busbars i wonder if those are suitable for making these? Is there a heat class to these monolithic rounds? I have CNCs I can turn these out all day long if they're a game changer.
Thanks for the video, very interesting. Question - does the copper damage the rifling inside the barrel at all? Also, you said these weigh 240 grains.. is there any other weight option? Thanks man keep up the good work
Yes they will erase/damage your rifling in your airgun barrel😞 The only way that i can see these slugs not destroying an airgun barrel is to powder coat them, so the softer powder coating can ride the rifling👍
Chris, do you know if they will be offering these for the 457 also? I really hope so
Yeah any updates on the 457 rounds
LOL 😂 now it’s the wind 💨 😂 j/k. 👍🏼 👍🏼 👍🏼
Will these go into production? Understand they may not let you say
Where can we get them?
I know this one is made specially for air guns, but can you use the once(copper) that are made for fire arms that have the flat bottom on the Texan? did you try that?
Will a sabot's plastic make it through a moderator or shroud?
Take my money. Now for some .457’s!
Very good copper slug..good for hunting..
Wher do you buy them Ive looked all over at leigh
Anyone try shooting these through a Donny FL brand airgun suppressor? Any risk of damage to the suppressor? That flaring thing sounds like it could expand into the baffles...
I'm actually using a DonnyFL adapter for the Texan LSS where it removes the OEM cap on the end and I have the Ronin supressor on the end. So you might be a bit confused on how these work. The expand on impact of the game animal and not when you fire them. So no issues shooting through a supressor.
🤦🏽♂️
Do they make those projectiles and 45 caliber
Shoot 20 lbs of clay and cut it in half along the path of the bullet. Makes for a great demo of how much energy is dumped.
Or go watch my video where I did this same test with FBI ballistics gel.
Wow,,they would sell lots of these,, great demo
until you see the price tag !
@@jesusoftheapes
I can't seem to find them anywhere do you know where I can pull them up and see the price on them for the 50 caliber and the 357
@@estoncallahan4098 www.pyramydair.com/s/m/AirForce_Texan_Big_Bore_Air_Rifle/3575
@@jesusoftheapes
I'm trying to find the Lehigh defense ammo
Thank you for you reply back hopefully you can help me I've asked many people still can't find them anywhere
Could you post a link to where to buy these copper slugs at I mean pellets
I believe I'll be saving some parts of a moose for a field study. I get to take two moose a year in Alaska.
I have moose bone in my yard right now.
A typical moose harvest in my area is about 50 to 100 yards with 70 being average. I live in a brushy area and they have natural paths. I've been hunting since I was 3. I'm now 55
Are the black numbers the speed
Now we just need full auto and an air tank
Backpack hooked up
Amazing
Just ordered my 50 cal texan Where do i find these bullets.
Very cool, I contacted them about AG rounds a while back and they said they were working on it, I guess this is them. I just picked up some of there .308 Maximum Expansion rounds for my Texan SS They are too long for the breech so I am going to shorten them and test at 140gn. Not sure what would be better the peel back petals in the Max Expansion or the detachable petals you have?? Time will tell but this is a total game changer for big game AG hunting. I have Texan SS in .308 and .357 and hope they branch out to those sizes as well. Great vid!!
Be careful loading those .308s! You most likely will get one lodged in the barrel. What makes this possible is these are sized to .50 in the .510 Texan barrel with that gas check in the rear. My guess is to get the .308s to work it is going to need to be a .303 sized slug with those gas check fins. We are working with them to get the Maximum Expansion version of these tested as well.
@@UpNorthAirGunner That makes sense, if they are working on the .308 and .357 I might just wait for that. Very exciting rounds for sure. Thx!
@@UpNorthAirGunnerI tested 36 cal sabots with .32 Lehigh extreme defenders .311 diameter. They were not accurate in my Bulldog at all.
@@producersteve1330
Have you tuned your dog and what do you find the best pellets are for it the bulldog
Can I shoot this ammo through my Airforce Texan .50? And where can I get this ammo?
Cantaloupe marinade for BBQ Ribs??? Assuming that you don't let those ribs go to waste - right?
I had this for dinner that night with D'Lynn's BBQ sauce! Sooooo good!
Do they make them in 144 cal. ??
Those with the super valve are probably going to hit subsonic speeds. Thats going to be very diabolical !
Howdy, do these work with Texan LSS 50 Cal - Carbon Fiber? I am using .510 NSA 388 Grain . . looking for a "hunting" round.
where would you get your air tank refilled at? sure is a lot quieter then a 30-06 or 308, my longest shot at a deer would have to say about 100 yards maybe just under, and he didnt run very far
You have to purchase a high pressure air pump that goes up to 4500 psi or get it filled at a place that fills diving tanks. I fill a 70 gal. Tank and take to the range. Otherwise I only get 3 shots with my Hammer.
What upgrade have your texan?
Are you still using these in 2024?
@@jonh7766 They can be found but are scarce.
Are these made in 525 gr
I think I need aome of these
Need this in .458 soon !
Working on it! I’ve shared the bore diameter and twist rates for the .357 and .45 Texan.
@@UpNorthAirGunner
Where can I find these I would really like to purchase some for the Texan 50 caliber and the Benjamin 357
Do they make these for the 457 texan
Maybe soon!
💡It would be sweet if they powder coated these copper slugs so they don't destroy or smooth out the rifling in the barrel👍
I want to buy some of those?
That is what I would call a smorgasbord
Do they come in 35 cal ?
I can’t find this ammo anywhere. Seems as though there is a crackdown on .50 cal airgun ammo. Only thing available is from Umarex and Seneca. Neither have great reviews
Has this gun been tuned or is it a factory stock rifle?
Bone stock!
Save me some beef and water Mellon.
Need them in 457caliber
But when you think a .223 has 1450fpe.
True but it is accomplishing that at extreme velocities. This is subsonic.
Good i like
Wow extremely impressed I would like to see your hit a 10 lb block of clay and dissect it inch by inch just so we can see how the pedals travel
I will be testing in ballistics gel soon!
@@UpNorthAirGunner how many frames per second I hope it's a lot because that would be awesome!!!!!!!😊
just got 20 lbs of clay and going to try them soon on it
Need these in .45 or it is a deal-killer and I'll mail this brand-new Texan back to the manufacturer. BTW Lehigh is out of stock on the .50 caliber. Please indicate interest here: www.lehighdefense.com/500-f5-hunter-controlled-fracturing-240gr-airgun-bullet
Interesting way to marinate ribs. :-)
You could really taste the melon even after I smoked them! HA!
Ok maybe good for deer hunting about hogs hunting now would Good for I they make them more like 257 357 308 & 457 texan guns
Burrito, please!!
The fact that they don’t have a lead free slug options is the only reason I didn’t get into air rifles!!, also the fda put out a notice lowering there minim lead exposure to nothing as more research Has come out regarding its toxicity
You still trusting the FDA, after all these years?
@@robmack151 lol no definitely not. But seriously this isn’t about the fda, this is about the fact that there is proof that Micro particles of lead get dispersed up to 8 inches in every direction after a lead bullet hits flesh. And lead toxicity might not instantly kill you but it certainly affects your functioning. For instance it has been shown that certain populations of the Roman empire specifically those in power had high levels of lead and arsenic in their bones as a result of long-term exposure to lead. It has been theorized that this resulted in many of the empathetic and cultural differences between the super rich in the super poor in the Roman empire possibly resulting in the fall of the Roman Empire.
@@gregmcb5305 ... I don't disagree that lead accumulates, and is toxic. I'm curious about particulates in meat, outside of points of contacts like entrance, exit and wound cavity... though most all of that damaged meat is discarded.
I give you a dollar so can get a 1 gallon water jug from Wilma Mart.
and only $ 2.00 a pop,,,, hehehehe
LOL! Do you know how much I spend on broadheads? This is a screaming deal in comparison! This ain't your paper punching slug. This is your filling the freezer ammo. LOL!
So fucking crazy...
It's a beast of a round, but with the air tank and the design of the gun it looks impractical for the woods
Hmmmmm..... you were saying? Watch this: th-cam.com/video/SvtaYUSzYJ4/w-d-xo.html
@@UpNorthAirGunner I stand corrected thank you. It's funny that your video is on the east side of Michigan I'm from the SW side of the state and my choice of hunting gun is a smoke pole
Donald Ballman I too used to run the smoke pole, but now I run the Great Wind! I fell in love with this technology after I learned more about the history of these guns and how Lewis and Clark’s Expedition was defined by the use of a big bore Airgun. Watch: m.th-cam.com/video/-pqFyKh-rUI/w-d-xo.html
@@UpNorthAirGunner interesting
did your wife set up the BBQ when you got back home?!?
It avoids the warranty on Airforce Texan rifles
$150 for 50 rounds not for plinking that's insane.
Ballistic gelliton
What about on dummies 😅
That's a whopper
I would like to see these hit an animal from the Hammer or this incredibly overpriced single shot airforce rifle . I want to pull the trigger on one of these big bore rifles . The Hammers multi shot feature makes it the one I would choose but I am waiting until the Sig Air rifle guys put out their american made big bore hunting pcp on the market . Sounds like it's going to revolutionize the product in price and function . All metal platform rifle with up to 800 foot pounds of energy in the 50 caliber and up to 5 regulated shots on a dual tank system with a magazine system said to also be a revolution in a PCP rifles . They have been developing the rifle now for 3 years and it has to make it to market eventually .
So I have been using the Texan to Deer hunt for 4 years now and you know how many follow up shots I needed? ZERO. Here is more food for thought.... Head to head I can put 5 rounds on a steel target hand loading vs. a silly 2 shot magazine. I can hand load a second round into the Texan pretty darn quick if I need a follow up shot.
@@UpNorthAirGunner I have dropped 3 deer in on 10 second period rifle hunting. Having more than one shot is important if you have more than one tag to fill or hog hunt so you can drop more than one of the damn things. It is a need in hunting unless you are not a meat hunter relying on things to feed your family for a year.
Is this ammo available to buy anywhere on earth today? It is like a white whale.