Honestly, I feel bad for Bruce. But now I'm glad that the Iron Man character is over in Marvel and Robert Downey Jr. has refused to play this role any further. Otherwise, these people would have turned him into a joke as well.
Well, like she says, she's better at controlling anger than he is, so it's even more her area of expertise than it is his. The whole point of that scene is that Banner _is_ the incompetent man explaining her own field of expertise to her.
@@stupidanon5941 That's not her being an expert tho that's just woman pride lmao. "Be careful not to get angry cause you might hurt people" Immediately gets offended and explains how she's being mansplained.
@@stupidanon5941 So she is precisely doing what she hates. Like explained in the video being catcalled and mansplained a couple of times is not even in the same universe as the things Bruce went through. Yet she assumes she is an expert and starts tot talk shit.
@@derpyplatypus1172 She goes to the Marvel offices and it turns out that Marvel content is being written by an AI. Then She-Hulk forces the AI to write a better ending because the current one sucks.
She-Hulk deserves so much better than this puddle-deep writing. Jen's supposed to be a loser; a booksmart, physically unassuming lawyer with little self-confidence. Guys aren’t interested in her and she doesn’t have friends. Then she becomes She-Hulk, this sexy, powerful, popular, funny version of herself. Where Bruce sees the Hulk as a curse, Jen sees She-Hulk as a blessing. If Hulk is the embodiment of anger, She-Hulk is the embodiment of self-esteem. Bruce wants to cure himself of the Hulk and stop transforming. Jen lives her day-to-day life as She-Hulk often refusing to transform back. She’s not only battling super villains but also her own confidence and self-worth. The show doesn't explore any of this because she has to be a girlboss. She can only do right and they insert a supporting cast whose entire role is to call her awesome. She has no motivations, no personal struggles, no flaws, no character development, she's just the self-insert power fantasy of a weak writer.
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Exactly. Movies like Alien and Mad Max Fury Road had actual badass female characters, and it worked because they didn't shove it in the audience's face in literally every scene
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@@thermex5270 Arcane was also able to make its women characters not only strong and badass, but also with depth and perspective. She-Hulk is the absolute opposite because they proclaimed that their woman characters are "strong and independent" but never actually demonstrated it. The saying "Show, don't tell" didn't apply to She-Hulk, instead they completely reversed it.
I find it both funny, and infuriating that She's bragging about how much better she is at controlling her anger than him, while she immediately loses her shit completely enraged at this bit of honest advice, and he's just standing there calmly. Yeah you're really showing how much calmer and more in control you are, B.
Well I feel like that was the point of that sequence though. It's meant to show how wrong she is about her anger. She's arrogant, and her arrogance blinds her. What she's saying and what she's doing doesn't line up and makes her a flawed person which is good for drama and interesting stories. The issue is she never has to face this side of herself or change at all over the course of the show. If they had developed her character more and explored these flaws it would have actually been good in my opinion.
It _was_ the point of the sequence and the show does explore it. Bruce tells Jen to find balance with she hulk, she ignores him and it comes back to bite her for the next 4 episodes. The show actually does a good job in showing that Jens anger and brushing off Bruce was meant to be a character flaw that masked other issues which are explored later in the series but it still allowed for her to be correct in one way: women do experience harrassment and that will factor into her life as she hulk. The comics actually explore this: the idea that your emotional life before becoming a hulk will affect your experiences as the hulk. The Hulk in the comics has a traumatic childhood and that's why he has a separate Hulk identity and is affected by anger as a Hulk. Jen meanwhile is affected by anxiety and never had a separate identity even in the comics. The MCU takes a different approach since they don't delve into the Hulk's backstory (which isn't she-hulks fault. The character existed in the MCU way before she hulk and Marvel ddon'thave full rights to him so they can't do as much with his story) but the core idea is the same: pre-hulk experiences affect life as a hulk.
@@PaladinGear15 No. It's character development. She starts off right in some ways and wrong in others and the show vindicates where she's right and allows her to realise her mistakes in the parts where she wasn't. By episode 8 she has a better grip on balancing her life as she hulk which is what Bruce advised. (I've edited my previous comment to include more detail).
@@mr.ambientsounds1291 yeah I mean I agree with most of what you are saying. I just still feel like they didn’t give her a good low point. Raging out on accident once (not actually hurting anyone) feels a little off. Like if the show is saying she controls her anger differently than Bruce, getting angry seems like the wrong low point. It doesn’t play off the other character flaws we’ve been mentioning. I’d be more down with it though if the resolution to that conflict was a little more believable, but the final episodes ending, while funny, really betrays the entire arc of the show
Bro they really tried to hop on the Better Call Saul popularity because, "haha it's funny lawyer guy from Breaking Bad" (Edit because it sounds weird when I say it now) "Haha it's funny lawyer guy from Breaking Bad. We can do that too!"
This is why I enjoyed the Hawk Eye series. It’s got a leading female protagonist who doesn’t force women empowerment down your throat compared to She Hulk We aren’t given this “I’m a female, I’m just as strong as a man. I have no enemies because I’m better than you and I’m bad ass because my whole personality revolves around my ironic narcissistic traits” Instead we’re given an average female who think she’s the equivalent of her favourite hero. This had her think she can save the day, but succumbs to the realisation she’s gotten herself into something vastly bigger than her. We’re shown she thinks she’s the equivalent of an avenger, but in the fights we’re shown otherwise. As the story progresses, she succumbs to the acceptance that what she did was wrong and that she’s genuinely sorry for bringing Hawk Eye back into the underground world when all he wanted was to enjoy Christmas with his family She’s shown time and time again she’s strong and that she uses her surroundings to overcome people who are stronger than her. Which is why I love the show. Imo, they truly did a great job for a female protagonist. You aren’t eye rolling at forced woman empowerment because it doesn’t exist in the show. We’ve got a leading female protagonist who actually develops into a better woman over time who has her strong suits, but also has her flaws. That’s why I love the show, and that’s why it’s vastly more enjoyable. Where as She Hulk is completely different. There’s no character development, there’s no story. One moment something happens and for the rest of the season it doesn’t show again: One thing which truly infuriated me is the ending. Why the 4th wall break? Why remove the only interesting plot of the show? Now you’re back to a bland show and it’s ultimately why I’m glad they don’t have plans for another season
Hawkeye is imo the best of the shows, the mentor-protege dynamic actually works and it somehow made Clint getting home in time for Christmas stakes you could care about. As it stands, if Young Avengers does happen then Kate will have to carry it.
I can’t believe that Thanos wiping the entire universe out of existence probably would have done more justice to the MCU characters than Disney has post phase 3
I'm so sick of female protagonists who are all "I'm a strong, independent woman who's just as good as all the men". *News flash:* Not all girls relate to that or feel "represented" by it. I relate more to shy, introverted characters. Heck, I relate more to Nintendo's Luigi and Cartoon Network's Double D, two _male_ characters, than I do to 99% of female characters out there. And I'm sure I'm not the only girl who feels something like that.
Hey; I think you make a good point. Plenty of female characters from fiction are awesome but they were so good because they had complexity. A good example is ripley from aliens. Ripley is strong but not invincible. Smart, but doesn’t know everything. She sometimes gets caught off guard. That’s how a good character is written.
I think Jen talking back to Bruce and trying to say how she controls her anger better is mostly just her showing that she doesn't have any actual control over herself.
@@ItsReallyGeo in terms of writing yeah but in terms of character spidey is supposed to be a jokester cuz his spidey sense allows his conscious mind to think up quirky one liners as he’s fighting
@@rockyroadmagic4152 Yeah because he is not worried if he will get hit or not because they won't Deadpool it's different he just doesn't care if he gets hit because of his healing factor.
The worst take for this idea of strong female characters is always “make them toxic asf” or “GIRLBOSS” instead of making them have some kind of character development, which is true strength.
Which is why Wonder-Women for DC was a huge success. It actually provided Inspiration and relatability through the character development. Such waisted potential.
that line about her being catcalled is more traumatic then what Bruce went through (watched the clip) was the bit that made me not bother watching the actual show. ive always been a fan of Bruce and the Hulk
It's funny, because both Daredevil and The Punisher are the two highest rated Marvel shows on IMDb as of now. What they lacked in CGI, they made up in actual good stories and plot. We need more of those shows in the MCU, but I KNOW Disney is bound to mess them up as well.
Disney really do be disneying up everything they touch now. They did kids cartoons for nearly a century, so why did we think they would know how to do live-action superhero shows with actual plots and dialogue? It’s outside of their purview.
@@sumguy01 easy, just hire some one who knows how to do it and let them do their job, but the biggest problem here is they don't want to do it, they paid the production team to make this mess, they want this kind of content to be made.
@Metal Sign it's true, at the end of she hulk it's revealed that the show was written by an AI called K.E.V.I.N. , and she found out by breaking the 4th wall in Disney + and confronting him in the marvel HQ
To me, Kim Wexler from the Better Call Saul was and still is one of the best examples on how you write an actually strong female character Edit: Wow. Never got this much likes before, just wow.
Ellen Ripley, my dude. Alien is my absolute favorite movie franchise and nobody ever thought of Ripley as weak, though she can display healthy amounts of human weakness as we all do at times. She didn’t need to put other people down to rise to the challenge but she also didn’t take crap from people to try to establish some kind of victim status. Ripley is a survivor, not a victim. I think that’s the fundamental difference these modern writers are missing.
@@freddie6307 No problem with them releasing it right after BCS but the terrible writing and CGI are the issues. Could've been a good court room drama show but it's modern day Disney
I am really sorry Marvel turned out this way. I genuinly loved it, and ended up crying at the end of many movies. I never thought I would feel betrayed by it, but here it is. Gonna take a break up until the next Avengers, Goodbye Marvel.
It doesn't matter where it was going plot wise to be honest; by the last episode the writer's lost faith in their own plot and had their "empowered woman" she hulk jump out of her own show into the real world and pull a Karen by asking to speak to the manager. She then proceeded to use her power of entitlement to have him wrap everything up the way she thought she deserved to have it happen.
I just want to remind people, that in the comics, the relationship between She-Hulk and Hulk was one of the most wholesome, yet tragic, character dynamics they had. Hulk/Bruce both constantly felt guilty for pushing their cousin into their world by giving her their blood, even though they did it to save her life, and She-Hulk constantly feels guilty about how she got the better deal. She can transform at will, and doesn’t have an alter-ego. She got such a better deal than Bruce, and that constantly makes her feel guilty. And because of that, in most incarnations, She-Hulk uses her lawyer skills to keep the government off of her cousin’s back. But it wasn’t all doom and gloom, she was still an upbeat character, she was confident in her body, and she loved the attention she got for her sexy green muscles. She was the original Deadpool, constantly making fun of the reader for only picking up her comics because she was only wearing a towel on the front cover. It wasn’t until very recently, where the comics, and, seemingly Marvel at large, decided to just make the character far more bitter. Like, just writing the character from a place of bitterness. And it sucks, because that bitterness that was never part of this iconic character, is now the only thing that the majority of people, will ever associate her with. Both Hulk and She-Hulk deserved so much better, because they ARE better, they’ve been better. Now look at them. She-Hulk calls her own cousin a whiny b*tch baby, while twerking. Utterly shameful.
It's almost as if the writers didn't like, or perhaps even hated the original She-Hulk. They probably see the old She Hulk as a symbol of misogyny, a female character over sexualized by men, a female character created by sexist pigs, etc. etc. Ad nauseam. Any number of dumb reasons.
@@mochalavender9398 their view is kinda contradicting too, if they dont like the old she-hulk because of "her male gaze design" then why have people commented about her body and have her twerk too ?
@@angelinacallahan6779 that could be true too. Although, the Old she hulk used to make fun of people buying her comics, saying they only buy her comics because she's hot. She was sexualized back in the day too, just as she is now. But that seems like the only aspect of her character they're keeping somewhat similar to the original.
I'm so impressed that Downey and Evans got out at the absolute perfect time. Not only did it all go so downhill from there, but the MCU was riding sooooo high at the time
Because the hype was at an all time high? There were still plenty of mistakes and quality issues throughout the beginning movies, but the hype helped clear those up. It’s only now that the hype has died down as the build a new story that people are starting to freak out.
@@creaperreaper6676 The films were also objectively better. Iron man 1, Captain America 1, hell even the 2nd Thor were all better than the unoriginal shit they pump out now. The tv shows are garbage, and the new blockbusters rely on cheap laughs of nostalgia. Nothing to do with hype.
@@trtvitor1385 More like the hype was at an all time high… you literally just proved my point. Superhero movies in general were just starting to pick up and it’s because of the “originality” that the hype was built so high. After so many years of the same stuff, it starts to become “unoriginal” despite it still being plenty original. The movies really haven’t changed that much. They are all still the same quality. It’s the viewers attentiveness that has changed. It’s the fact we’ve had these sameish superhero movies for multiple years now. The whole genre as a whole is losing its hype due to repetitiveness, and even then Marvel has done its best to change what it means to be a superhero movie or show and people have still turned it down. I promise you, it’s the hype all the way. The hype is dropping as people start to pick up on the fact that each movie is almost the same, like most superhero movies. The genre is losing its touch. And don’t even try to consider the 2nd Thor movie as “better”.
That’s crazy how Charlie called the ai algorithms because at the end of the season Kevin Feige is a robot & humans work for him, dude was only 3 episodes in & could tell …
I was about to write this. Everyone wants to be deadpool these days, just like a few years ago when everyone wanted to be Batman and dark and gritty. Suddenly every single universe became dull and drab with washed out colors. Remember Superman Man of Steel from 2013, i fell asleep trying to watch that piece of crap
The worst thing about the whole Jen and Bruce relationship in the show. Is that in the comics their relationship is pretty open and they're extremely friendly to one another. They open up to each other and in one famous storyline She-hulk thanks him for giving her powers. Up to that point he hated himself for it. He knew what he was doing was going to possibly cause her pain in the future. Whether that be people out to kill her or she lost control and killed people. He didn't want to turn his cousin into what he considered a monster but he had no choice as it was do it or watch her die from blood loss. Hearing those words from her mouth helped him. She also clearly knows about super heroes and what has happened to him. You would think she would be a little bit nicer to a guy who has risked his life multiple times to save the world from enemies and his world breaking alter ego.
1, show ≠ comic. 2, jen and bruce are two completely different people as stated in the show. i'm not exactly gonna be nice when something life changing has happened to me that threatens the life i worked hard to build and that i know for a fact will come to bite me in the ass later. jen is a human like everyone else and reacts accordingly. i think it would've been very out of character if she was super sweet and gung-ho and not going through a literal crisis because her world just got flipped upside down.
Charlie makes such a good point about Marvel and it’s comedy, but the even bigger problem is that it’s done so well (in the box office) that a lot of other movies are also taking the exact same formula of comedy. It’s like watching the same movie no matter who makes it.
When she walked in on the last episode in a suit my partner said straight out "why is she walking like a glitched NPC". The use of CGI is beyond terrible
I really love this and I do hold some of the same issues with the show, but the 4 "nobodies in episode 3 were actually relatively well-known marvel characters. They were the supervillain team 'The Wrecking Crew' and I was a bit surprised to see them here. They are usually street-level villains so I figure this is just a precursor to having them show up against other street-level heroes like Daredevil in his upcoming show or Spiderman in any related media. It's possible they could have bigger role in this show but unlikely due to the team's lack of interactions with characters like She-Hulk.
I also feel like Bruce has lost three of his best friends, Steve Rogers, and Tony Stark, and Thor is in the middle of nowhere, this leads to Bruce feeling even more Isolated the before, Imagine how much rage and depression is built up from all of his experiences.
It’s honestly kinda funny watching writers try and make “A tough, no bullshit strong independent female character” and totally miss the mark; like no, you made an *asshole*. Those are gender neutral.
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l find these tv shows cool.. l'm a casual fan, so that's probably why...But reading Captain Sauce's comment does make me wonder if they need to stop...and l haven't red the comics also. But this guy does come across negative, and it's an opinion
It's crazy how we had a character like Ripley in the 1970's as a fantastic example of badass women in an action film and rather than replicate that we get Mary Sue's or just plain unlikable characters. We've had great, strong women in film for decades, yet shows and movies these day fall into the same trap repeatedly when it comes to making these type of characters.
this is all because of disney. when disney bought marvel studios it went downhill because of disney with their strict deadline which marvel developers cannot handle, so we really cant blame marvel here we have to blame disney
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She hulk in the comics is so good and it’s disappointing to see how the show ended up. It feels like they threw the whole script together within a week
Such an inspiring character. I'm so glad the kids will understand that being independent means being a selfish asshole that thinks you are better than everyone else.
Also one thing that bugs me is that she hulk always talks about how hard it is in her awful life but never shows her experiencing any difficulty in the show and if they did it could make her selfish side more believable but it just makes her a tool
Welcome to MCU new generation protagonist: Make the women protagonist as selfish asshole who thinks they're right until someone has to say they're wrong in the end like Wanda Maximoff and She-Hulk while making the men protagonist suffering so much through trauma and insecurities like Marc Spector (Moon Knight), Shang-Chi, Bucky, Sam, Hawkeye and many more.
@@margarethmichelina5146 and the sad thing is its not impossible to write a good female character take the clone wars for instance there are dozens of brilliantly written characters from heroes to villains to in-between and honestly it's a shame that the MCU isn't having the same sort of love now the shows feel like they are trojan horses they are only there to set up another character it's sort of like a pyramid scheme in a franchise one character introduces two more and so on
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I'm really hoping they are making her unlikeable on purpose to have some character development where she become more likeable. But thats unlikely so...
Is hope so but let’s face it the writing staff isn’t that smart. I had a crazy idea like that though maybe she can’t really control the she hulk since everytime she says one thing she does the opposite. Like practically killing some guys over “hey what’s your name?”
i thought something similar when i watched loki ep 3 when loki was acting like a dumbass. i thought he is acting or creating this illusion in female loki's mind and has some kind of plan for later on. But turned out, he was an actual idiot and had no idea what he was doing at all. on the top of that, he was ruining whatever the plan they already had smh.
I would hope so as well but usually these shows are 6-8 episodes long. She would have had something happen by now to give her a flaw or some character development.
@@murdercloak7578 I hope you realize that those guys were literally going to assault her, she didn’t just get angry over a “hey what’s your name?”. It doesn’t take much thought to understand what those men were planning on doing. Plus, that was literally right after she transformed for the first time, you think she’s gonna have control over it?
I watched Arcane recently for the first time and wow, I wanna go back to it already. So much diversity, strong women leads, etc yet such a great balance to provide a masterpiece of a show. She hulk on the other hand lol. Absolutely horrible. It being criticized makes everybody phobic, against women empowerment etc etc. Whack stuff
I think it's more like that the vitriol all the anti-SJWs are spewing out are drowning out the constructive criticism being to help make She-Hulk a better female protagonist.
@@mindshuffler3332 fully agree. You cannot grow in a vacuum. Sure, not all criticism is constructive, but If you're gonna cry and play the race card or mysoginy card whenever you get criticized it's a guaranteed way to fail.
@@kiekeyz Ideally, I think the wise decision is t9 try and separate from the group that is bashing the show for being "woke propaganda" (fucking hate that term), so that the constructive criticism can be heard. A feat easier said than done, admittedly, but it really needs to be done. The petty man-childen who hate the idea of woman being stronger than them need to get ut through their heads that they don't speak for the fans as much as they think they do.
“Why make it a competition about who has the most trauma” because that’s all the writers can think about. They’re constantly dealing in victim points and trying to out-marginalize everyone around them
Yea charley is really playing dumb here. Maximum victimhood is like a moral virtue to liberal ideology. It’s why they obsess on “historically oppressed” groups of people (not saying they weren’t historically oppressed) as if these people deserve better treatment and praise merely because they’re victims or oppressed
@@CaptainFracture charlie at this point became too big and has too much clout, he cant go around challenging ideas that are heavily defended by the current political overton window
On the lines of marvel shows being the same formula - I watched marvel agents of SHIELD when it first came out as a kid and LOVED it. I would look forward to the next episode every week and was so excited to find out what happened next. As the show went on it was less and less interesting and I ended up quitting before they finished it, and I regret it deeply, because I have gone back trying to watch it, and same thing again, I enjoyed the first 2 seasons somewhat, then it’s just the same exact thing, there is ONE character who actually develops and that’s Fitz when he becomes evil, but then he dies and comes back and all of that development is INSTANTLY forgotten. Honestly it’s a chore to watch but at this point I have to finish it off.
What's worse about the whole Jen saying she has it worse than Bruce is that people on Twitter are defending that. And when people call them out for it by telling them the horrible things Bruce has been through, they just reinforce the stereotype about all men being emotionless by saying that he needs to man up. People on Twitter actually think that a woman being catcalled is worse than a kid seeing their abusive father beat their mom to death.
@@EpicEverz nah, these people's brains literally work on a marginalization pyramid, and the closer you are to a cis hetero white male, the less human you are to them
I liked the recent Spiderman movie but it could have been so much better, also the 3 Spiderman leak before the movie came out ruined the surprise for me
@@augie. not just that but also because companies just don’t care anymore as long as people eat it up, they’re basically cocky and don’t think they have to put any quality into anything anymore
Yeah, they really forgot how to add weight to intense situations. The original 6 Avengers would always joke around on comms, but when the situation got tense and they were trying to save someone or their life was in serious danger, they would stop with the quips and the score would carry the scene. But nah, let's forget our formula we had for mixing humor with intense battles that we had already perfected the first time we attempted it
As a fan of the comic books, and someone who actually collected She-Hulk comics starting from their first issue, no. This show was not accurate to the comics at all. I hated this show with a passion. There is no defending it.
I haven't seen anyone talk about this, so if someone has, please point me in that direction, but in the scene where jen gets her powers, the cut she gets runs across her arm horizontally and then when you see the gash it runs vertically like that is the scene they had in every trailer and yeah it is small but its just another example of them not caring about the quality of the show
Its sad because in their attempt to write a strong female protagonist they fell into the crux of writing one who relies solely on a male (Bruce) to “one-up” all the time. Without Bruce her character is essentially nothing which is sad because it could be so much more but the way she hulk is written is entirely reliant on male character who she has to prove she is better? than for no reason.
Yeah they should have daredevil train her or someone other than bruce because it just become a dick measuring contest in the end. Also that will save lot of cgi budget and the cgi could get better.
@@hidayatmusroni the cgi could be so much better, shes a fucking order of magnitude lighter in skin than he is, she has almost no muscle and none of that hulky roughness. i want she-hulk, not the fuckin gangrene girlboss
She never attempts to prove that she's better These are the only ways in which she's better: Her blood because of genetics Her control Her flexibility Her lawyer profession which isn't being better, just different Bruce is better in every other way: he's stronger, smarter (one of the smartest ones), heroic, etc People really gotta stop taking their cousin rivalry jokes as seriously as they do, it's clear that when she says that she's better that she's mocking Bruce like a cousin would Also, she never tries to one-up him, hell, she doesn't even want her powers And Hulk is only a cameo appearance in episode 1 and ending of 2, the series is not about She Hulk and Hulk and the show is pretty clear what it wants to be about
There isn't a single show in existence that was acclaimed by people with writers that think of nothing other than ''strong independent woman'' trope. If they JUST stop for a second and write a character without making their gender a plot point, maybe then they can write something remotely watchable.
I think one of the biggest problems is that the writers think that this is what a strong woman has to look like, someone who is always trying to prove that they're better than the men around them in every way.
It's the same with Galadriel in Rings of Power. Literally her only dialogue is shitting on male characters around her and one-shotting any real threat she encounters. In the first episode she uses one of the guy elves as a stepping stool just to slay a troll in 10 seconds lol. The worst part is the acting is incredibly wooden so it just comes off as forced girlbossing, and the showrunners thought making her the main character for the upcoming 5 seasons was a good idea.
@TGDM Show She literally says to bruces face that being cat called and getting constructive advice from men in her area of expertise is the same as trying to put a bullet in your own skull, only to have your alter ego spit it back out.
If the writers have no character themselves, it'll be hard for them to write a character that's interesting. The same goes if they never faced real adversity, they can't write a character that has or is facing adversity if they don't actually understand what adversity is.
Honestly I would still love to see this what if plays out because he would know what Freiza was doing and Freiza knew about him and i belive he knew his power level so what happens after words does he go back to being a frieze soldier to try to stage a coup de to only to be killed immediately on attempt or does he take his on this quest where he avoids Freiza pulling people to his side slowly growing stronger going planet to planet as he realizes he has to change if he wants to avenge his race
The funny part is that she rants visibly angrily at Bruce at being "better" at controlling anger than him while he's completely calm lmao Edit: I gave an indifferent response before, mostly because I didn't feel like arguing, but since this thread has popped into my notifs again, I think I wanna take a second to point out to the replies that, no, this is indeed terrible writing. It doesn't prove anything that she can transform back after getting angry and turning into She Hulk when her cousin is RIGHT THERE in front of her calm _and_ transformed at the same time. And even if it's the "point," what kind of stupid point is it? "To demonstrate my self-control I will deliberately lose control of my temper and _then_ calm myself down instead of just staying calm to begin with"? Guess there's no point in saying this now though, given that _the show itself_ has done an adequate enough job at this point of shutting up anyone defending the show's writing, but I still felt like putting it out there.
right. the unintentional meta-irony in this show at like TLJ levels. "Hubris" indeed. Or here "Ah dialectic eh? Wow she said the word dialectic twice in the same scene and the scene wasn't even about the word dialectic."
"as if they just took a random character from Marvel, and plugged them into an MCU media algorithm and it pumped out this entire script in a day" That is.. wild to hear, having watched the Final Episode, and him only having seen the first 3 at this point. xD
I mean, Aquaman and Shazam somehow able to balance the humor (granted sometimes the cringe is there too), heck, even ZSJL has some genuinly funny moments that don't feel like forced
@@ariqsyafwan4987 Honestly, people give the likes of that Flash way too much shit... yes, he was awkward and cringy. That's the point, Ezra's Flash was a loser. Ezra's still a POS
The funniest part is that there’s some reviewers out there who can’t say one good thing about it, but are giving it high scored reviews for internet brownie points. I’m glad Charlie keeps it real.
I'll tell you one good thing about the show, they have cameo's in every episode... we are hyped for the cameo's and my prediction and theory at the end is that she will create the thunderbolts. an upcomming movie. everything connects at the end, always remember that.
Speaking of silly post credit scenes, remember deadpool two where hes just time traveling killing Ryan Reynalds Green Lantern and the weird deadpool from xmen origins
She's to self-indulgent in the show, "me me me, what I want to do" Bruce even gives her a speech in episode one stating she has powers and a responsibility, she goes all girl boss and says "nah I'm a lawyer" then she gets fired which was kinda funny
My hope is she gets clobbered and humbled to the point of realizing how hypogritical she has been at times. She makes good points, but then says some really questionable things
Because the people in the MCU hired a bunch of awful people who pretend they like comic books but in reality, they don't care about the source material and want to ruin everything
The "show writers" know better than we do, they know better than Tolkien, they know better than Stan Lee, they know better than George Lucas that's why they wrote and created these legendary iconic characters and stories..... oh wait, no they didn't.
I'm so sick of shows writing "empowered" as hyper aggressive and hostile. Bruce is trying to help her and make sure the she-hulk doesn't hurt any innocents and he is ignored and ridiculed. And then she fights him for reasons I can't remember.
I like how the activist script writers have the exact same view of "powerful women" that misogynists do. Hyper aggressive and hostile. I feel like the two sides feed into each other to create an exaggerated worldview that they both believe in, but just disagree on whether it's good or bad. Whereas normal people disagree with the exaggerated worldview itself.
Honestly, I feel bad for Bruce. But now I'm glad that the Iron Man character is over in Marvel and Robert Downey Jr. has refused to play this role any further. Otherwise, these people would have turned him into a joke as well.
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@Kavetion speaking of jokes
Marvel died when Tony died.
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She says she hates having her own area of expertise explained to her, while explaining controlling anger to the Hulk 💀
Well, like she says, she's better at controlling anger than he is, so it's even more her area of expertise than it is his. The whole point of that scene is that Banner _is_ the incompetent man explaining her own field of expertise to her.
@@stupidanon5941 i hope your being sarcastic
@@stupidanon5941 She has gone through far less than Bruce has
@@stupidanon5941 That's not her being an expert tho that's just woman pride lmao.
"Be careful not to get angry cause you might hurt people"
Immediately gets offended and explains how she's being mansplained.
@@stupidanon5941 So she is precisely doing what she hates. Like explained in the video being catcalled and mansplained a couple of times is not even in the same universe as the things Bruce went through. Yet she assumes she is an expert and starts tot talk shit.
The “This show feels like it was written by an AI” take ages like a fine wine considering how the show actually ended.
How did it end?
Came here to see if anyone said this. Holy crap.
With her twerking
@@derpyplatypus1172 She goes to the Marvel offices and it turns out that Marvel content is being written by an AI. Then She-Hulk forces the AI to write a better ending because the current one sucks.
@@NotSylvanUnfortunately Are they intentionally written this to piss people off like why do you waste money just to piss people ?
"I finally watched She-Hulk"
Let's have a minute of silence in honor of this man's admirable bravery.
He fought bravely
She-Hulk deserves so much better than this puddle-deep writing. Jen's supposed to be a loser; a booksmart, physically unassuming lawyer with little self-confidence. Guys aren’t interested in her and she doesn’t have friends. Then she becomes She-Hulk, this sexy, powerful, popular, funny version of herself. Where Bruce sees the Hulk as a curse, Jen sees She-Hulk as a blessing. If Hulk is the embodiment of anger, She-Hulk is the embodiment of self-esteem. Bruce wants to cure himself of the Hulk and stop transforming. Jen lives her day-to-day life as She-Hulk often refusing to transform back. She’s not only battling super villains but also her own confidence and self-worth. The show doesn't explore any of this because she has to be a girlboss. She can only do right and they insert a supporting cast whose entire role is to call her awesome. She has no motivations, no personal struggles, no flaws, no character development, she's just the self-insert power fantasy of a weak writer.
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I think tomato man has pretty much summed it up there, there was potential, there was a character but the writers failed to capitalize on it.
Writers need to know, that strong female characters and insufferable girl bosses are two different things
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Exactly. Movies like Alien and Mad Max Fury Road had actual badass female characters, and it worked because they didn't shove it in the audience's face in literally every scene
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@@thermex5270 Arcane was also able to make its women characters not only strong and badass, but also with depth and perspective. She-Hulk is the absolute opposite because they proclaimed that their woman characters are "strong and independent" but never actually demonstrated it. The saying "Show, don't tell" didn't apply to She-Hulk, instead they completely reversed it.
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The entire MCU is basically a sitcom at this point.
The difference is that sitcoms are funny sometimes
It always was.
The only serious one is Spider-Man no way home
@@crowingcrossbowguardians 3 was quite serious too
@@jim122true
I find it both funny, and infuriating that She's bragging about how much better she is at controlling her anger than him, while she immediately loses her shit completely enraged at this bit of honest advice, and he's just standing there calmly. Yeah you're really showing how much calmer and more in control you are, B.
Well I feel like that was the point of that sequence though. It's meant to show how wrong she is about her anger. She's arrogant, and her arrogance blinds her. What she's saying and what she's doing doesn't line up and makes her a flawed person which is good for drama and interesting stories. The issue is she never has to face this side of herself or change at all over the course of the show. If they had developed her character more and explored these flaws it would have actually been good in my opinion.
It _was_ the point of the sequence and the show does explore it. Bruce tells Jen to find balance with she hulk, she ignores him and it comes back to bite her for the next 4 episodes. The show actually does a good job in showing that Jens anger and brushing off Bruce was meant to be a character flaw that masked other issues which are explored later in the series but it still allowed for her to be correct in one way: women do experience harrassment and that will factor into her life as she hulk. The comics actually explore this: the idea that your emotional life before becoming a hulk will affect your experiences as the hulk. The Hulk in the comics has a traumatic childhood and that's why he has a separate Hulk identity and is affected by anger as a Hulk. Jen meanwhile is affected by anxiety and never had a separate identity even in the comics. The MCU takes a different approach since they don't delve into the Hulk's backstory (which isn't she-hulks fault. The character existed in the MCU way before she hulk and Marvel ddon'thave full rights to him so they can't do as much with his story) but the core idea is the same: pre-hulk experiences affect life as a hulk.
@@mr.ambientsounds1291 Then that makes every point she tried to make and this pro-feminist spiel sound completely ego-centric and idiotic.
@@PaladinGear15 No. It's character development. She starts off right in some ways and wrong in others and the show vindicates where she's right and allows her to realise her mistakes in the parts where she wasn't. By episode 8 she has a better grip on balancing her life as she hulk which is what Bruce advised.
(I've edited my previous comment to include more detail).
@@mr.ambientsounds1291 yeah I mean I agree with most of what you are saying. I just still feel like they didn’t give her a good low point. Raging out on accident once (not actually hurting anyone) feels a little off. Like if the show is saying she controls her anger differently than Bruce, getting angry seems like the wrong low point. It doesn’t play off the other character flaws we’ve been mentioning. I’d be more down with it though if the resolution to that conflict was a little more believable, but the final episodes ending, while funny, really betrays the entire arc of the show
The funniest part is the writers for a show about an attorney admit they know nothing about law, let alone writing a story about law.
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Bro they really tried to hop on the Better Call Saul popularity because, "haha it's funny lawyer guy from Breaking Bad"
(Edit because it sounds weird when I say it now)
"Haha it's funny lawyer guy from Breaking Bad. We can do that too!"
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By a feminist.
@@unknown_spy_1984 they failed so hard that they better call saul
I believe this is the future Thanos was trying to save us from.
He should have won
Thanos did nothing wrong
the great mcu died with thanos
This is why real MCU ended with infinity war
Just like Harry Maguire at Man U
It’s actually amazing you described the finale perfectly. Literallly an A.I just pumping out content
Yeaaaaa
This is why I enjoyed the Hawk Eye series. It’s got a leading female protagonist who doesn’t force women empowerment down your throat compared to She Hulk
We aren’t given this “I’m a female, I’m just as strong as a man. I have no enemies because I’m better than you and I’m bad ass because my whole personality revolves around my ironic narcissistic traits”
Instead we’re given an average female who think she’s the equivalent of her favourite hero. This had her think she can save the day, but succumbs to the realisation she’s gotten herself into something vastly bigger than her.
We’re shown she thinks she’s the equivalent of an avenger, but in the fights we’re shown otherwise. As the story progresses, she succumbs to the acceptance that what she did was wrong and that she’s genuinely sorry for bringing Hawk Eye back into the underground world when all he wanted was to enjoy Christmas with his family
She’s shown time and time again she’s strong and that she uses her surroundings to overcome people who are stronger than her.
Which is why I love the show. Imo, they truly did a great job for a female protagonist. You aren’t eye rolling at forced woman empowerment because it doesn’t exist in the show.
We’ve got a leading female protagonist who actually develops into a better woman over time who has her strong suits, but also has her flaws. That’s why I love the show, and that’s why it’s vastly more enjoyable.
Where as She Hulk is completely different. There’s no character development, there’s no story. One moment something happens and for the rest of the season it doesn’t show again: One thing which truly infuriated me is the ending. Why the 4th wall break? Why remove the only interesting plot of the show? Now you’re back to a bland show and it’s ultimately why I’m glad they don’t have plans for another season
Hawkeye is imo the best of the shows, the mentor-protege dynamic actually works and it somehow made Clint getting home in time for Christmas stakes you could care about. As it stands, if Young Avengers does happen then Kate will have to carry it.
Charlie is like the type of guy to stand by his window in a robe and look at the snow while holding a cup of hot chocolate
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@@michealmorris4181 this guy is speaking unbelievable amounts of pure knowledge
And the robe is open and he stands there proudly lmao
I can’t believe that Thanos wiping the entire universe out of existence probably would have done more justice to the MCU characters than Disney has post phase 3
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Disney on their way to destroy every single franchise they bought
You're right, they should've been Thanosed indifinitely, Thanos didn't waste his life for this shit...
Even before phrase 3 people were tired of the mcu. Why are we acting like this is new?
I'm so sick of female protagonists who are all "I'm a strong, independent woman who's just as good as all the men".
*News flash:* Not all girls relate to that or feel "represented" by it. I relate more to shy, introverted characters. Heck, I relate more to Nintendo's Luigi and Cartoon Network's Double D, two _male_ characters, than I do to 99% of female characters out there. And I'm sure I'm not the only girl who feels something like that.
Hey; I think you make a good point. Plenty of female characters from fiction are awesome but they were so good because they had complexity. A good example is ripley from aliens. Ripley is strong but not invincible. Smart, but doesn’t know everything. She sometimes gets caught off guard. That’s how a good character is written.
It seems you two are people of culture as well?
I think Jen talking back to Bruce and trying to say how she controls her anger better is mostly just her showing that she doesn't have any actual control over herself.
Crazy world we’re living in where Spider-Man is the most serious series left in the MCU
Spiderman usually was pretty grounded
@@ItsReallyGeo in terms of writing yeah but in terms of character spidey is supposed to be a jokester cuz his spidey sense allows his conscious mind to think up quirky one liners as he’s fighting
We’re back in the mid-2000s. Spidey carrying the Marvel brand on his back.
@@rockyroadmagic4152 Yeah because he is not worried if he will get hit or not because they won't Deadpool it's different he just doesn't care if he gets hit because of his healing factor.
@@rockyroadmagic4152 one of spider sense features is quirky oneliners...?
Just say that he's a young guy with humor...
I find it funny that She-Hulk feels more like a sitcom with marvel characters than wandavision does, a show literally trying to mimic sitcoms
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Plus wandavision was actually good in my opinion
@@yungblattt no one asked
@@legoscarecrow5212 wandavision was actually good on my opinion
After the finale it’s scary how spot on Charlie was lol.
You must have some strong will power, getting though the entire show
@@mikeross6336 I couldn’t lol
We’re in an age where people can create video games, and have never been a gamer. And people can write for comic book shows and never read the comics.
Screen writer guy: “Hulk is there”
Producer guy: “oh yeah, what does he do?”
Screen writer guy: “I just told you”
Hahaha! This is completely true.
Well, ok then!
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Yo, a fellow Pitch Meeting fan! Also, that is totally something Ryan would write.
That basically does sum it up haha
The worst take for this idea of strong female characters is always “make them toxic asf” or “GIRLBOSS” instead of making them have some kind of character development, which is true strength.
Which is why Wonder-Women for DC was a huge success. It actually provided Inspiration and relatability through the character development. Such waisted potential.
I think going for that type of style ends up making the story extremely weak.
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And then the Twitter Stans just tweet “yaaaas Queen” endlessly.
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that line about her being catcalled is more traumatic then what Bruce went through (watched the clip) was the bit that made me not bother watching the actual show. ive always been a fan of Bruce and the Hulk
A show that does the "girlboss" thing right is Agent Carter. It's such an underrated gem and I HATE that it was cancelled so soon... :'c
It's funny, because both Daredevil and The Punisher are the two highest rated Marvel shows on IMDb as of now. What they lacked in CGI, they made up in actual good stories and plot. We need more of those shows in the MCU, but I KNOW Disney is bound to mess them up as well.
Riding the woke train and hope they can cash out.
Disney really do be disneying up everything they touch now. They did kids cartoons for nearly a century, so why did we think they would know how to do live-action superhero shows with actual plots and dialogue? It’s outside of their purview.
I loved iron fist but they hoed it
@@sumguy01 easy, just hire some one who knows how to do it and let them do their job, but the biggest problem here is they don't want to do it, they paid the production team to make this mess, they want this kind of content to be made.
No one needs more of super hero shows.
I always wonder if the success of Thor: Ragnorok made Marvel go more goofy.
I kind of feel like it did.
marvel been goofy since guardians of the galaxy and avengers 2
@@kgnightcry8118 it got worse with thor
More like the success of captain america civil war
@@jay2.04 but civil war had very little humor
8:43 he literally predicted the actual series finale where it's revealed that the show was written by an Ai
@Metal Sign it's true, at the end of she hulk it's revealed that the show was written by an AI called K.E.V.I.N. , and she found out by breaking the 4th wall in Disney + and confronting him in the marvel HQ
@Metal Sign real
"I watched three episodes of She-Hulk."
*Oh you poor man.*
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To me, Kim Wexler from the Better Call Saul was and still is one of the best examples on how you write an actually strong female character
Edit: Wow. Never got this much likes before, just wow.
on a related note, idk who at disney thought it was a good idea to release a courtroom tv show right after better call saul 💀
Molly Solverson from Fargo
Ellen Ripley, my dude. Alien is my absolute favorite movie franchise and nobody ever thought of Ripley as weak, though she can display healthy amounts of human weakness as we all do at times. She didn’t need to put other people down to rise to the challenge but she also didn’t take crap from people to try to establish some kind of victim status. Ripley is a survivor, not a victim. I think that’s the fundamental difference these modern writers are missing.
Agreed! She’s my favorite female tv character of all time 👌
@@freddie6307 No problem with them releasing it right after BCS but the terrible writing and CGI are the issues. Could've been a good court room drama show but it's modern day Disney
When she hulk was on actual danger she said my favorite marvel line: "He's right behind me, isn't he?" Truly up there with morbius
One of the moments of all time
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@@ian4772 lil bro think he Raul Sulaiman
That's what daredevil will say when the enemy is behind him
I am really sorry Marvel turned out this way. I genuinly loved it, and ended up crying at the end of many movies. I never thought I would feel betrayed by it, but here it is. Gonna take a break up until the next Avengers, Goodbye Marvel.
Exactly how I felt, when big companies try to introduce the woke agenda kind of gets annoying af
At least have hope for Fantastic Four. If they fuck that up I'm officially dropping the MCU forever.
Brendan J. Smith The Fantastic 4 saved Marvel comics back in the 60s. It’d be pretty poetic if the Fantastic 4 were also what saved the MCU long term
It doesn't matter where it was going plot wise to be honest; by the last episode the writer's lost faith in their own plot and had their "empowered woman" she hulk jump out of her own show into the real world and pull a Karen by asking to speak to the manager. She then proceeded to use her power of entitlement to have him wrap everything up the way she thought she deserved to have it happen.
I just want to remind people, that in the comics, the relationship between She-Hulk and Hulk was one of the most wholesome, yet tragic, character dynamics they had.
Hulk/Bruce both constantly felt guilty for pushing their cousin into their world by giving her their blood, even though they did it to save her life, and She-Hulk constantly feels guilty about how she got the better deal. She can transform at will, and doesn’t have an alter-ego. She got such a better deal than Bruce, and that constantly makes her feel guilty. And because of that, in most incarnations, She-Hulk uses her lawyer skills to keep the government off of her cousin’s back.
But it wasn’t all doom and gloom, she was still an upbeat character, she was confident in her body, and she loved the attention she got for her sexy green muscles. She was the original Deadpool, constantly making fun of the reader for only picking up her comics because she was only wearing a towel on the front cover.
It wasn’t until very recently, where the comics, and, seemingly Marvel at large, decided to just make the character far more bitter. Like, just writing the character from a place of bitterness.
And it sucks, because that bitterness that was never part of this iconic character, is now the only thing that the majority of people, will ever associate her with. Both Hulk and She-Hulk deserved so much better, because they ARE better, they’ve been better.
Now look at them. She-Hulk calls her own cousin a whiny b*tch baby, while twerking. Utterly shameful.
It's almost as if the writers didn't like, or perhaps even hated the original She-Hulk. They probably see the old She Hulk as a symbol of misogyny, a female character over sexualized by men, a female character created by sexist pigs, etc. etc. Ad nauseam. Any number of dumb reasons.
@@mochalavender9398 their view is kinda contradicting too, if they dont like the old she-hulk because of "her male gaze design" then why have people commented about her body and have her twerk too ?
@@angelinacallahan6779 that could be true too. Although, the Old she hulk used to make fun of people buying her comics, saying they only buy her comics because she's hot. She was sexualized back in the day too, just as she is now. But that seems like the only aspect of her character they're keeping somewhat similar to the original.
I would pin this if I could, 100000% agree
I feel like she's not as bitter as you say she is in the show, but maybe I'm just watching and interpreting it differently, idk.
I'm so impressed that Downey and Evans got out at the absolute perfect time. Not only did it all go so downhill from there, but the MCU was riding sooooo high at the time
Because the hype was at an all time high? There were still plenty of mistakes and quality issues throughout the beginning movies, but the hype helped clear those up.
It’s only now that the hype has died down as the build a new story that people are starting to freak out.
Too bad for ScarJo. She got out one movie late.
@@richardlong3983 still hot and rich though
@@creaperreaper6676 The films were also objectively better. Iron man 1, Captain America 1, hell even the 2nd Thor were all better than the unoriginal shit they pump out now. The tv shows are garbage, and the new blockbusters rely on cheap laughs of nostalgia. Nothing to do with hype.
@@trtvitor1385 More like the hype was at an all time high… you literally just proved my point.
Superhero movies in general were just starting to pick up and it’s because of the “originality” that the hype was built so high. After so many years of the same stuff, it starts to become “unoriginal” despite it still being plenty original.
The movies really haven’t changed that much. They are all still the same quality. It’s the viewers attentiveness that has changed. It’s the fact we’ve had these sameish superhero movies for multiple years now.
The whole genre as a whole is losing its hype due to repetitiveness, and even then Marvel has done its best to change what it means to be a superhero movie or show and people have still turned it down.
I promise you, it’s the hype all the way. The hype is dropping as people start to pick up on the fact that each movie is almost the same, like most superhero movies. The genre is losing its touch.
And don’t even try to consider the 2nd Thor movie as “better”.
the fact that he predicted the A.I. writing the whole show completely by accident is crazy
was this proven!?!?
@@tranedTurtleno, it was a plot point in the show.
That’s crazy how Charlie called the ai algorithms because at the end of the season Kevin Feige is a robot & humans work for him, dude was only 3 episodes in & could tell …
I call it the "Deadpooling" of the MCU, where every character needs to be sarcastic and full of witty one-liners/comebacks.
I call it beat men till their all gay(idk bro I didn’t know what to say after beat men)
They're forgetting the funny then
It's like you've never read a marvel comic before
I was about to write this.
Everyone wants to be deadpool these days, just like a few years ago when everyone wanted to be Batman and dark and gritty.
Suddenly every single universe became dull and drab with washed out colors.
Remember Superman Man of Steel from 2013, i fell asleep trying to watch that piece of crap
But let's be honest, it works... somehow, ppl love marvel humour
SheHulk- “I get catcalled and mansplained. I’m better than you.”
Bruce- *Laughs in years of abuse and being hunted by the entire us military.*
"b-but women good, men bad"
@Kavetion I'm better at being 6'4 than you
Instead of seeing it as a dick measuring contest, why not see it as different people dealing with different issues?
Both the show and commenters here
SheHulk - never says she's "better" than anyone in the show.
People on the internet: The entire show is SheHulk saying she's better than everyone.
@@organicleaf that was never the point
Charlie was right this is not the worst thing to exist, because Velma(mindy) was created.
Velma was worst then she-hulk in every aspect
Loved your critique of Marvel TV shows in general at the beginning.
She hulk's body build is attainable practically.
They could totally just hire a tall stuntwoman and just faceswapped her
fr though
she is 7 ft i believe but im not sure
If they painted a dwarf green it would've looked better
So like the Incredible Hulk TV show where the person was painted green
@@moneyl1on265 6’7
The worst thing about the whole Jen and Bruce relationship in the show. Is that in the comics their relationship is pretty open and they're extremely friendly to one another. They open up to each other and in one famous storyline She-hulk thanks him for giving her powers. Up to that point he hated himself for it. He knew what he was doing was going to possibly cause her pain in the future. Whether that be people out to kill her or she lost control and killed people. He didn't want to turn his cousin into what he considered a monster but he had no choice as it was do it or watch her die from blood loss. Hearing those words from her mouth helped him. She also clearly knows about super heroes and what has happened to him. You would think she would be a little bit nicer to a guy who has risked his life multiple times to save the world from enemies and his world breaking alter ego.
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Thats fucked up
1, show ≠ comic. 2, jen and bruce are two completely different people as stated in the show. i'm not exactly gonna be nice when something life changing has happened to me that threatens the life i worked hard to build and that i know for a fact will come to bite me in the ass later. jen is a human like everyone else and reacts accordingly. i think it would've been very out of character if she was super sweet and gung-ho and not going through a literal crisis because her world just got flipped upside down.
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Bruh he guessed the ending with the MCU algorithm
Charlie makes such a good point about Marvel and it’s comedy, but the even bigger problem is that it’s done so well (in the box office) that a lot of other movies are also taking the exact same formula of comedy. It’s like watching the same movie no matter who makes it.
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When hulk said “bruh” it truly changed my life, it was so inspirational to me, truly a show of all time
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@@joshe8878 nope it isn’t a joke. Hulk also said “its morbing time”
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@@joshe8878 nah look it up. Hulk literally says Bruh
When she walked in on the last episode in a suit my partner said straight out "why is she walking like a glitched NPC". The use of CGI is beyond terrible
Yeah me and my wife looked at each other in disgust the moment she did that corner-turn. It looks edited by toddlers
Yeah, when I first saw the model I knew there was something off.
Saw someone say it’s like a cutscene in nba 2k11 cutscene
the director said the reason men think the CGI is bad is because they are too used to being possessive of the female body.
@@John-Doe-Yo 😭😭😭
I really love this and I do hold some of the same issues with the show, but the 4 "nobodies in episode 3 were actually relatively well-known marvel characters. They were the supervillain team 'The Wrecking Crew' and I was a bit surprised to see them here. They are usually street-level villains so I figure this is just a precursor to having them show up against other street-level heroes like Daredevil in his upcoming show or Spiderman in any related media. It's possible they could have bigger role in this show but unlikely due to the team's lack of interactions with characters like She-Hulk.
I also feel like Bruce has lost three of his best friends, Steve Rogers, and Tony Stark, and Thor is in the middle of nowhere, this leads to Bruce feeling even more Isolated the before, Imagine how much rage and depression is built up from all of his experiences.
It’s honestly kinda funny watching writers try and make “A tough, no bullshit strong independent female character” and totally miss the mark; like no, you made an *asshole*. Those are gender neutral.
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as a girl myself ive never seen a more forced attempt at a girlboss. All of those attempts to be feminist and they couldnt even make her buff
l find these tv shows cool.. l'm a casual fan, so that's probably why...But reading Captain Sauce's comment does make me wonder if they need to stop...and l haven't red the comics also. But this guy does come across negative, and it's an opinion
It's crazy how we had a character like Ripley in the 1970's as a fantastic example of badass women in an action film and rather than replicate that we get Mary Sue's or just plain unlikable characters. We've had great, strong women in film for decades, yet shows and movies these day fall into the same trap repeatedly when it comes to making these type of characters.
@@eponahorse6093 She wasn't even buff in the comics and neither was she a girl boss like Captain Marvel. She's exactly how she's supposed to be.
I loved the scene where She-Hulk visits Saul Goodman in prison and lectures him about how hard it is to be a lawyer.
and then morbius broke out of the prison and said it's morbin time
And then street sharks came out and shredded mad guitar on their roller blades, while the Dinovengers twerked.
And then Vin Diesel rides Lightning McQueen and bust through the walls to free Kool Aid Man
And then when doomguy boxed charizard, that scene was gold
And then Gandalf wouldn't let Andrew Tate pass so micheal Jackson called Shia lebouf to freestyle battle a honey badger.
this is all because of disney. when disney bought marvel studios it went downhill because of disney with their strict deadline which marvel developers cannot handle, so we really cant blame marvel here we have to blame disney
I like when She-Hulk said her iconic line: “It’s Shulking time!” And they started twerking while everyone else stood up and clapped for their bravery.
Honestly that’s almost exactly what one of the post-credit scenes was
Nah his most iconic line was “Bruh”
Now it’s shulk time
Was megan thee in that show as well???
Twerking as well??
Goddamnit this was secretly a xenoblades promo
Everyone criticizing the MCU: it’s too quippy
The MCU: nobody likes us maybe we’re not being quippy enough 🤔
I make entertaining videos as well🙏
Quibi ? XD
It's funny because their best movies were when they weren't over quippy, then Thor: Ragnarok came out and now every movie is fucking Thor: Ragnarok!!!
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Honestly should've kept the quips to Spider-Man since that's his schtick.
I love coming back to old videos of people shitting on this show. It gives me hope
You was spot on with that robot analogy.
"You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"
Marvel apparently.
Fax
@*smirk* ended with endgame to honor him? that's idiotic
some studios just wanna watch the world burn.
meh, no
This year has been a rough year for marvel. I’d imagine Stan lee would cry if he could see where his legacy has gone.
Jen is literally written as “anything you can do, I can do better, I can do everything better than you”
which is a bummer, because jen is actually a wonderful character in the comics. look how they massacred my girl.
You forgot a key part of this mindset.
“I can do everything better than you, because I’m a woman.”
I make entertaining videos as well🙏
I understood that reference
@@brianmaysguitar7252 that part is irrelevant though
She hulk in the comics is so good and it’s disappointing to see how the show ended up. It feels like they threw the whole script together within a week
"Why make it a competition of who has the most trauma" Charlie that's just how people debate politics these days
Such an inspiring character. I'm so glad the kids will understand that being independent means being a selfish asshole that thinks you are better than everyone else.
Also one thing that bugs me is that she hulk always talks about how hard it is in her awful life but never shows her experiencing any difficulty in the show and if they did it could make her selfish side more believable but it just makes her a tool
That's exactly how feminists want women to be because they want something real to cry about when men turn away from this new variation.
Welcome to MCU new generation protagonist:
Make the women protagonist as selfish asshole who thinks they're right until someone has to say they're wrong in the end like Wanda Maximoff and She-Hulk while making the men protagonist suffering so much through trauma and insecurities like Marc Spector (Moon Knight), Shang-Chi, Bucky, Sam, Hawkeye and many more.
@@margarethmichelina5146 and the sad thing is its not impossible to write a good female character take the clone wars for instance there are dozens of brilliantly written characters from heroes to villains to in-between and honestly it's a shame that the MCU isn't having the same sort of love now the shows feel like they are trojan horses they are only there to set up another character it's sort of like a pyramid scheme in a franchise one character introduces two more and so on
That's how Americans act.
Charlie's superpower is being able to absorb levels of cringe that would kill a normal person. I knew he was a little different.
Yes.
He's just built different
he's Jesus
I've heard of such power once before
@@demonsuckafucka6828 internet jesus
Loki is solid, but my favorite Marvel series is WandaVision - I love its wackiness, its mystery, and its emotional depth
Imagine comparing being catcalled to killing your own dad and being hunted down by the FBI for years
"Welcome to the Salty Spitoon. How tough are you?"
Charlie: "I watched 3 episodes of She-Hulk in one sitting..."
"Yeah, so?"
Charlie: "...and I only dozed off once."
"Uh, right this way. Sorry to keep you waiting."
Underrated
Just what you would expect from someone who starred in The Hunger Games, John Wick, and The Bible, truly all powerful
@@Iku00 lol
Penguinz0 is jesus himself he can handle anything
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I'm really hoping they are making her unlikeable on purpose to have some character development where she become more likeable. But thats unlikely so...
Is hope so but let’s face it the writing staff isn’t that smart. I had a crazy idea like that though maybe she can’t really control the she hulk since everytime she says one thing she does the opposite. Like practically killing some guys over “hey what’s your name?”
i thought something similar when i watched loki ep 3 when loki was acting like a dumbass. i thought he is acting or creating this illusion in female loki's mind and has some kind of plan for later on. But turned out, he was an actual idiot and had no idea what he was doing at all. on the top of that, he was ruining whatever the plan they already had smh.
I would hope so as well but usually these shows are 6-8 episodes long. She would have had something happen by now to give her a flaw or some character development.
@@murdercloak7578 I hope you realize that those guys were literally going to assault her, she didn’t just get angry over a “hey what’s your name?”. It doesn’t take much thought to understand what those men were planning on doing. Plus, that was literally right after she transformed for the first time, you think she’s gonna have control over it?
this girlboss yass queen bullshit is probably what they consider likeable.
the best thing about she-hulk is the 30 mins of charlie cox as daredevil
I watched Arcane recently for the first time and wow, I wanna go back to it already. So much diversity, strong women leads, etc yet such a great balance to provide a masterpiece of a show. She hulk on the other hand lol. Absolutely horrible. It being criticized makes everybody phobic, against women empowerment etc etc. Whack stuff
I think it's more like that the vitriol all the anti-SJWs are spewing out are drowning out the constructive criticism being to help make She-Hulk a better female protagonist.
@@mindshuffler3332 fully agree. You cannot grow in a vacuum. Sure, not all criticism is constructive, but If you're gonna cry and play the race card or mysoginy card whenever you get criticized it's a guaranteed way to fail.
@@kiekeyz Ideally, I think the wise decision is t9 try and separate from the group that is bashing the show for being "woke propaganda" (fucking hate that term), so that the constructive criticism can be heard.
A feat easier said than done, admittedly, but it really needs to be done. The petty man-childen who hate the idea of woman being stronger than them need to get ut through their heads that they don't speak for the fans as much as they think they do.
Plus on Arcane. Interesting series. Marvel can't make anything interesting anymore. Kevin Fiege needs to be fired, along with Kathleen Kennedy.
It hurts to see Twitter hard defending this show by refusing to acknowledge actual critiques with the writing.
thats twitter for ya.
Bro people on TikTok as well are such white knights for this show
@@eddieweird tiktok and twitter are breeding grounds for those kinds of people
Yeah, I've seen this. They will use that one neuron left to type BS like "You must hate women".
@@LordShrub "You gave me a good list of reasons why you dislike a show? you must hate women sexist!"
“Why make it a competition about who has the most trauma” because that’s all the writers can think about. They’re constantly dealing in victim points and trying to out-marginalize everyone around them
Charlie acting like “feminists” don’t do this by default on the daily. It’s always just trying to have a monopoly on being a victim
No. They THINK THAT SELLS. Its not about them thinking only about being marginalized, they think twitter will get a Disney plus subscription.
Yea charley is really playing dumb here. Maximum victimhood is like a moral virtue to liberal ideology. It’s why they obsess on “historically oppressed” groups of people (not saying they weren’t historically oppressed) as if these people deserve better treatment and praise merely because they’re victims or oppressed
@@CaptainFracture charlie at this point became too big and has too much clout, he cant go around challenging ideas that are heavily defended by the current political overton window
@@thescarecrow897 he can
On the lines of marvel shows being the same formula - I watched marvel agents of SHIELD when it first came out as a kid and LOVED it. I would look forward to the next episode every week and was so excited to find out what happened next. As the show went on it was less and less interesting and I ended up quitting before they finished it, and I regret it deeply, because I have gone back trying to watch it, and same thing again, I enjoyed the first 2 seasons somewhat, then it’s just the same exact thing, there is ONE character who actually develops and that’s Fitz when he becomes evil, but then he dies and comes back and all of that development is INSTANTLY forgotten. Honestly it’s a chore to watch but at this point I have to finish it off.
Holy crap, Charlie is a prophet. He literally called the ending here after 3episodes.
Charlie has a perfect voice to play Garfield and you can't change my mind
The tale of THREE kitties!
"... and that's why I hate Mondays so goddamn much. Anyway, that's it, I just wanted to get that off my chest, see ya."
imagine him in like 30 years i feel like his voice would be perfectly Garfield aged
I want to see Charlie being a voice actor for a rated R Garfield movie where he calls his owner a faggot the entire time.
You're irrelevant
What's worse about the whole Jen saying she has it worse than Bruce is that people on Twitter are defending that. And when people call them out for it by telling them the horrible things Bruce has been through, they just reinforce the stereotype about all men being emotionless by saying that he needs to man up.
People on Twitter actually think that a woman being catcalled is worse than a kid seeing their abusive father beat their mom to death.
That's twitter for you. Really fitting name too, as everyone on there is a fucking twit.
WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY!!!!!!!!!
Doesn't that, by extension, mean they think a woman being catcalled is worse than a woman being beaten to death by her husband?
@@EpicEverz yeah that makes sense
@@EpicEverz nah, these people's brains literally work on a marginalization pyramid, and the closer you are to a cis hetero white male, the less human you are to them
Spiderman movies are carrying marvels phase 4 at this point
I liked the recent Spiderman movie but it could have been so much better, also the 3 Spiderman leak before the movie came out ruined the surprise for me
The group of people she fought in the alley is called the wrecking crew. They are straight from the comics
*If Tony Stark saw this show he'd hand Thanos the Infinity Gauntlet back.*
Maybe this is why Marvel keeps pushing out the same thing everytime. They're subliminally telling us that Thanos was right
@@jamgrams3244 although would be an amazing plot I think its mostly just the mcu going to shit cus everyone there is now woke or have left.
@@augie. not just that but also because companies just don’t care anymore as long as people eat it up, they’re basically cocky and don’t think they have to put any quality into anything anymore
Nahh Tony would just wipe the rest of em himself
@@-xnnybimb-9398 Joyless money grabs, to quote another animated character.
I've always liked heroes that joke around even in dire situations but yeah it definitely sucks if everyone does it.
YEAH
It saps them of individuality
SHE-HULK ATTORNEY AT LAW!
Like Spider-Man?
Yeah, they really forgot how to add weight to intense situations. The original 6 Avengers would always joke around on comms, but when the situation got tense and they were trying to save someone or their life was in serious danger, they would stop with the quips and the score would carry the scene. But nah, let's forget our formula we had for mixing humor with intense battles that we had already perfected the first time we attempted it
As a fan of the comic books, and someone who actually collected She-Hulk comics starting from their first issue, no. This show was not accurate to the comics at all. I hated this show with a passion. There is no defending it.
I haven't seen anyone talk about this, so if someone has, please point me in that direction, but in the scene where jen gets her powers, the cut she gets runs across her arm horizontally and then when you see the gash it runs vertically like that is the scene they had in every trailer and yeah it is small but its just another example of them not caring about the quality of the show
Its sad because in their attempt to write a strong female protagonist they fell into the crux of writing one who relies solely on a male (Bruce) to “one-up” all the time. Without Bruce her character is essentially nothing which is sad because it could be so much more but the way she hulk is written is entirely reliant on male character who she has to prove she is better? than for no reason.
Yeah they should have daredevil train her or someone other than bruce because it just become a dick measuring contest in the end. Also that will save lot of cgi budget and the cgi could get better.
@@hidayatmusroni the cgi could be so much better, shes a fucking order of magnitude lighter in skin than he is, she has almost no muscle and none of that hulky roughness. i want she-hulk, not the fuckin gangrene girlboss
She never attempts to prove that she's better
These are the only ways in which she's better:
Her blood because of genetics
Her control
Her flexibility
Her lawyer profession which isn't being better, just different
Bruce is better in every other way: he's stronger, smarter (one of the smartest ones), heroic, etc
People really gotta stop taking their cousin rivalry jokes as seriously as they do, it's clear that when she says that she's better that she's mocking Bruce like a cousin would
Also, she never tries to one-up him, hell, she doesn't even want her powers
And Hulk is only a cameo appearance in episode 1 and ending of 2, the series is not about She Hulk and Hulk and the show is pretty clear what it wants to be about
There isn't a single show in existence that was acclaimed by people with writers that think of nothing other than ''strong independent woman'' trope.
If they JUST stop for a second and write a character without making their gender a plot point, maybe then they can write something remotely watchable.
@@arionell exactly and there are so many shows that do an amazing job of this-a character shouldnt be defined by their gender
I think one of the biggest problems is that the writers think that this is what a strong woman has to look like, someone who is always trying to prove that they're better than the men around them in every way.
It's the same with Galadriel in Rings of Power. Literally her only dialogue is shitting on male characters around her and one-shotting any real threat she encounters. In the first episode she uses one of the guy elves as a stepping stool just to slay a troll in 10 seconds lol. The worst part is the acting is incredibly wooden so it just comes off as forced girlbossing, and the showrunners thought making her the main character for the upcoming 5 seasons was a good idea.
@TGDM Show Yeah she does. Keep coping.
@@semperk1482 I can't wait for Galadriel to kill shit effortlessly with a sword for 50 hours of showtime.
Truly riveting entertainment.
If you don’t like women date men
@TGDM Show She literally says to bruces face that being cat called and getting constructive advice from men in her area of expertise is the same as trying to put a bullet in your own skull, only to have your alter ego spit it back out.
this new marvel shows and movies got me switchin to DC
"Loki is the only good marvel show"
~person that hasnt watched daredevil
When she hulk said it's she hulk time I began to cry. This show is truly one of the shows of all time.
@Î Ám ÇhrîzíñBB ×48 bruh
Bots arise
Then she hulk she hulked on everyone in the room
oh god the bots are taking over
ngl she would fuckin say that
Marvel has truly lived long enough to see itself become the Villain.
Yup
they lived long enough to see itself becoming the clown
they lived long enough to see themselves become morbius
if you follow their comics, you won't be surprised, lmao.
@@LuisSierra42 ITS MORBIN TIME
If the writers have no character themselves, it'll be hard for them to write a character that's interesting. The same goes if they never faced real adversity, they can't write a character that has or is facing adversity if they don't actually understand what adversity is.
Honestly I would still love to see this what if plays out because he would know what Freiza was doing and Freiza knew about him and i belive he knew his power level so what happens after words does he go back to being a frieze soldier to try to stage a coup de to only to be killed immediately on attempt or does he take his on this quest where he avoids Freiza pulling people to his side slowly growing stronger going planet to planet as he realizes he has to change if he wants to avenge his race
The funny part is that she rants visibly angrily at Bruce at being "better" at controlling anger than him while he's completely calm lmao
Edit: I gave an indifferent response before, mostly because I didn't feel like arguing, but since this thread has popped into my notifs again, I think I wanna take a second to point out to the replies that, no, this is indeed terrible writing. It doesn't prove anything that she can transform back after getting angry and turning into She Hulk when her cousin is RIGHT THERE in front of her calm _and_ transformed at the same time. And even if it's the "point," what kind of stupid point is it? "To demonstrate my self-control I will deliberately lose control of my temper and _then_ calm myself down instead of just staying calm to begin with"?
Guess there's no point in saying this now though, given that _the show itself_ has done an adequate enough job at this point of shutting up anyone defending the show's writing, but I still felt like putting it out there.
right. the unintentional meta-irony in this show at like TLJ levels. "Hubris" indeed. Or here "Ah dialectic eh? Wow she said the word dialectic twice in the same scene and the scene wasn't even about the word dialectic."
That's the point...
@@lefloch9983 It's not the point at all. It was completely unironic.
@@itsfine5818 No it wasn't. lmao. She literally gets caught turning "green" because she was angry while saying that. Wtf were you watching?
women
this entire show is basically if you took the buzzfeed team and asked them to make a marvel show
Well said lol
i said that a couple days ago, did you take that from me
VERY well said.
Yeah the show made for the insecure feminists .
Ironically, while Jen she-splains controlling anger, she starts losing it and getting angry.
Hi how are you doing Dave do you care for more chat
"as if they just took a random character from Marvel, and plugged them into an MCU media algorithm and it pumped out this entire script in a day"
That is.. wild to hear, having watched the Final Episode, and him only having seen the first 3 at this point. xD
I like how everyone called out DC for not being funny and now this is what we have.
I mean, Aquaman and Shazam somehow able to balance the humor (granted sometimes the cringe is there too), heck, even ZSJL has some genuinly funny moments that don't feel like forced
Only dc films that were serious are batman related,none of the other dc characters are dark,and their films are light hearted like Shazam,ww etc
@@ariqsyafwan4987 Honestly, people give the likes of that Flash way too much shit... yes, he was awkward and cringy. That's the point, Ezra's Flash was a loser.
Ezra's still a POS
@@davidlaid1146 have you ever watched V for Vendetta, Watchmen, Constantine?
@@rededits9782 Constantine has good humour except the Keanu movie, the animated and TV show Constantine are unmatched
The funniest part is that there’s some reviewers out there who can’t say one good thing about it, but are giving it high scored reviews for internet brownie points. I’m glad Charlie keeps it real.
I'll tell you one good thing about the show, they have cameo's in every episode... we are hyped for the cameo's and my prediction and theory at the end is that she will create the thunderbolts. an upcomming movie. everything connects at the end, always remember that.
@@JustCrazyGames I clap cuz I recognize the Cameo
I create entertaining videos as well
@@JustCrazyGames cameos don’t make it good
???? Plenty of reviewers have good things to say about it.
Speaking of silly post credit scenes, remember deadpool two where hes just time traveling killing Ryan Reynalds Green Lantern and the weird
deadpool from xmen origins
Critical is a national treasure.
She Hulk is unironically an incredible character in the comics, So i chose to avoid the show so i dont have to hate her
She's to self-indulgent in the show, "me me me, what I want to do" Bruce even gives her a speech in episode one stating she has powers and a responsibility, she goes all girl boss and says "nah I'm a lawyer" then she gets fired which was kinda funny
I be making entertaining videos as well
She was also good in the animated series. Chect it out.
@@fullmetaltheorist true as fuck
I've had to explain to people who haven't read the comics. Jen is actually really cool. I don't know why they would write her like this.
I bet she was. She and other amazing female characters were made in a peaceful time where wokeness and dumb men weren't a daily experience.
My hope is she gets clobbered and humbled to the point of realizing how hypogritical she has been at times. She makes good points, but then says some really questionable things
Because the people in the MCU hired a bunch of awful people who pretend they like comic books but in reality, they don't care about the source material and want to ruin everything
Fr like why they ruining every single character
The "show writers" know better than we do, they know better than Tolkien, they know better than Stan Lee, they know better than George Lucas that's why they wrote and created these legendary iconic characters and stories..... oh wait, no they didn't.
You also gotta remember it's no longer Marvel's marvel, it's Disney's marvel
1:47 I think that iron fist is actually pretty good
I'm so sick of shows writing "empowered" as hyper aggressive and hostile. Bruce is trying to help her and make sure the she-hulk doesn't hurt any innocents and he is ignored and ridiculed. And then she fights him for reasons I can't remember.
leading to the destruction of the bar, which Bruce hand-built with his dead best friend.
I like how the activist script writers have the exact same view of "powerful women" that misogynists do. Hyper aggressive and hostile. I feel like the two sides feed into each other to create an exaggerated worldview that they both believe in, but just disagree on whether it's good or bad.
Whereas normal people disagree with the exaggerated worldview itself.
@@kaavyab1009 god damn...thats kinda fucked