As an old army guy I love seeing a Hummer out there off roading! I absolutely loved the hummer's I had during my time in the military... we certainly had fun in them and that trans tunnel heat is the real deal. Loved the heat in Germany and not so much in the middle east!
The Humvee brakes work so well because of the reduction gear in the portals. Since the brakes are mounted inboard, the gear reduction multiples the torque between the wheel and the brake rotor.
When I was in the military our early model non-uparmored HMMWV's had different payload ratings 2500lb and 5100lb. I believe this one would do much better unloaded like your friend is running it with some lighter coil springs in the back. To get the Torsen Diffs to lock up we pressed the brake and throttle at the same time. With all our butts, gear and armor in it the rig will articulate more than the one I saw in the Video. Not trying to shamelessly plug any product but those 6.2 and 6.5 motors really like Engine Restore, it helped me get mine started in the cold and they like a little transmission fluid or 2 cycle oil in the fuel as well especially if you're running jet fuel.
I've always wanted an H1 and i do love my Jeep. it saddens me to say this because I love the H1 so much but I would choose the Jeep over the H1 simply because of the community that Jeep has I've made dozens of new friends in the last 18 months and it's changed my life because of all these wonderful people. SO JEEP FOR LIFE
Some softer coils on the back of that H1 would probably help it out a good bit. They were rated at either 1 ton or 1-1/4 ton depending on which kind of humvee it is, and I think it's safe to assume it will no longer need the payload capacity that those springs were originally put in for.
I agree Rusty, Britt has got rain man (Lady)skills for picking a line. I have not seen better. @25 min in she tells that XJ to back up while cutting the wheel to get that purrfect line. Made it look easy. Wow.
I will have to stick with Jeep on this one. However, one thing that can't be disputed is Brit's spotting skills, she's awesome! Great vid, stay cool you two!
As someone who survives on tippy and not flex, the hummer was never close to tipping. Its always fun to watch you flexy wranglers freak out when us non-flexy guys start three wheeling.
Nearly 39 minutes of video and not one guy said, "I wish I could have a hummer". The H1 is a beast. It's like a huge steel plate with wheels. Like Kevin said it just slides around to a different line until it gets to it's destination. Very cool trail and amazing scenery!!
I once took a humvee to a 70-degree incline rock trail while I was in the military. That thing can take a hit and is mad sturdy. The only problem is that it requires too much PMCS.
The Jeep is awesome!! And I already know that some people won't understand why you were talking about the Humvee having much better brakes, They will think your Jeeps antilock brakes are much better, which on the highway they are, but when you're offroad rock crawling they're not. The Humvee's brakes are better on the rocks because they lock the entire driveline and not each hub separately like regular vehicles braking systems, which can allow one or more hubs to have play in them and can cause certain tires to slip or just not hold as well as all the others.
I'm slightly biased because I worked at a Hummer dealer for about 5 years and have driven them quite a bit. They will always have a soft spot in my heart. The Stepchild is super badass, but I'd definitely have to take the Hummer. Nothing like them!
The electric auto transmissions have a manual lever, to put it in neutral. In the ram pickup it is behind a panel on the left side of the steering wheel, the Grand Cherokee it is in the center console towards the back, not sure where it is in the JL but check your manual.
Loved this video. So relatable to those of us who have relatively stock, or slightly modified Jeep Rubicons. Nice to see you Jeeping in different terrains. Reminds me of the wheeling we have up in BC. I only wish I had a spotter as good as Brittney
Hi Kevin and Britt, Last weekend I was at the Toledo Jeep Festival. I was talking to a guy from Ripp superchargers and he told me that the JL has a learning ECM after so many cycles of the ignition being turned off and on it can make changes. That's why they haven't released their JL supercharger yet, they want to make sure the tune is right before they do. This is probably why you could never get the tune right In your turbo.
I lived in Cortez for 10 years and I have a uncle who owns a guest ranch in San Miguel between Norwood and Telluride and my aunt lives in Montrose I miss the mountains and I go back every year.... my oldest daughter is buried there! You took me for a great ride on memory lane!
I tested these for the military in 86 with the 9th ID. If he knew all the tricks to the HMMWV it would have gone even better. I must say, he did great for a new HMMWV driver. BTW, ya'll were so worried about the tipping point. Without the flex, the idea is that the low center of gravity and non-shifting center of balance or Fulcrum point, keep stability. When the wheel articulate, the weight is constantly shifting. Also, you are running a 30-year-old, perfect design against the best today has to offer. Geared hubs alone win the day. Or the brakes being located on the driveshaft. Oh, and initiate the brakes while gas is applied and you set the front and rear lockers. That one Sketch rock climb would have been a walk in the park. We took them over much worse terrain...and what, you think Afghanistan has paved roads in the mountains? Oh, and they were initially tested to stand 14 years of the worst war conditions. I only knew of 2 times they rolled. Both the same driver, (Lovejoy, you idiot.) and both times he rolled them by driving the passenger side over a cliff on gravel roads. Not even 4X'ing.
My grand parents lived in Black Hawk when I was young. And before I was born my dad was the sheriff of Central City. I haven't been back there in 30yrs! But I remember them taking me up on logging roads. I must go back in my Jeep some day!
Awesome video! I love to go back to Colorado someday to do more wheeling. FYI- Ram trucks has a Park override lever behind a panel on the left side of the steering wheel. JL has them too under the panel in front of the gear shifter ;)
First drove the Wheeler Lake trail in 81 with my 68 Scout half cab, 266 V8, limited slip rear. Of course I did not take the same lines you did, but for back then the thrill was there. Another awesome video and great spotting Brittany.This is why Colorado is my home, full of fun scenic trails from mild to wild.
Hummer uses a toque bias diff designed by Zexel in order to achieve lock up like a locking diff apply the brakes. The best way to do this is called “Brake-Throttle Modulation”. Hold the brakes firm and apply 3/4 throttle, slowly let up on the brakes till you start to move. At that point hold what you have and the diff is locked like a selectable locker. If you let up to much brake you will get wheel spin. At that point don’t slam the brake you will brake a axle due to the rotating mass, I.e. the tire and rim. Let up on the throttle and start again. It is very effective but only works in low speed crawling for obvious reasons. I spent ten years training the Army Special Forces this technique.
Howdy! That is my M998 in the video! If the rear diff isn't locking up correctly while the front one is while I am using the brake technique, is the rear diff just worn out and needs to be replaced or rebuilt, or am I just doing something wrong?
No. It's made to be like that clearance is more important. It does have lockers, Gleason Torrson-the guy just doesn't know how to use the brake/gas method to lock them.
Yup Colorado is amazing. Our MHJC patrol runs that area a few times each summer. I drove an H1 in the Army in the 80s-90s. It was the top of off road tech back then. But the modern Jeep is far more advanced. Love my 2012 JKU sport. See you all on the trail some time.
This was quite helpful. I’ve often wondered how a hummer would perform on trails. That articulation demo on the little dip you each crossed sealed Jeep as the winner for me.
Dare I say best video yet? Of course I'm a little biased. My wife and I honeymooned in Colorado. We visited Central City while we were out there. If only I new that Yankee Hill trail was there! Maybe it's time for a road trip!
This has to be one of your best videos! What a fun bunch of friends; kids playing in the snow and the rocks! Great to see the different rigs and how they drove. I miss my ZJ... It seemed to me that every time there was a traction loss on the rocks, the vehicle, no matter which one, had hard tires; letting air out might have helped, especially on the HumV. The military had tires and wheels hooked up to an on-board deflate-inflate system that could change the air on the roll. Those sure didn't look the like military wheels! I've always thought the Military could have used a few thousand Jeep Wrangler variants instead of as many expensive HumV's. How did your vinyl wrap hold up in the brush? StepChild should sounds and looks terrific! Thanks again for a great evening's entertainment! Love the banter between you two!
I've taken Humvees through some pretty intense terrain. The guy driving it doesn't seem to realize that locked in 4low with brake throttle modulation will take that thing literally anywhere the wheels can touch. The test isnt evenly biased. Obviously we would all prefer the comfortability of the jeep. But someone with alot of miles behind a M1165 can go much more sketchy places than they went lol.
Brittany kills it again with spotting.. you surprise me every time. No not because your a girl but because I’m looking and thinking I don’t know if that’s gonna work and it does.
The Toyota and Chevy ... looks like it was to boring for them. Personally I'm a jeep guy but that Chevy & Toyota are impressive , the Hummer held it's own but i wouldn't take it crawling because i wouldn't feel safe without a rollbar . The scenery was amazing at the lake and i would have a blast up there with a FPV wing.Thanks for the Great Video!!
Isn't it like public knowledge that Jeeps are Hummer rescue vehicles? 🍺 All in good fun. Anything that can make it is Aces in my book. Any brand, any build. Thanks!
Lol, I'm a huge jeep fan but stock vs stock I think the hummer takes it. Independent suspension gives it great clearance but something I just love about flexing on a straight axle.. plus I'd much rather pay for a jeep than a hummer
@@that1guy0219 I getcha. I just think the wheel base is too long and will high-center more frequently even with an experienced driver. Just IMO. The clearance is awesome though. And I do like Hummers in concept. I'm just a Jeep geek man. I'm sure you know how it can be. \m/
i gotta say, i had no real interest in jeeps when i first clicked on britt's diatribe '5 things we hate about our new JL', but following the StepChild's transformation from beast to beauty, i am awestruck! this is one Very valid use of the word, awesome!! as to JL vs H1, Very interesting!!! i'd like to see you both at Ocatillo Wells, the Mojave, Baja, or the like. the StepChild has blossomed into an offroad Ferrari while the H1 is more an offroad tractor! still, its in those extremes that the appeal (or lack thereof) for an evolving collection of parts is truly illuminated. please dont take the evaluation of the H1 as a tractor in a negative context, it's not a bad thing; the same is said about my big red pig(xr650l), but thats part of it's charm & appeal .
You drove a HMMWV. Not a H1. HUGE difference in comfort. For example, my H1 has a backup camera, leather heated captains chairs with a butt-massager and an all-leather interior.
Actually when the m998 first went into service around 1987 they were that ( minus cut fenders and 40 tires or course ) it was against the rules to use the doors on exercises. The doctrine at the time was that if you got into ambush you jumped out and fought it out.
@@JKTF476 well i wasnt in then i was in from 08 to 18.... was a bit different for us..... sadly 03 04 vets wernt combat vets and didnt think that way sadly
Brit, you are a professional ground guide for all rock crawler vehicle’s. You understand the lines, the driver, and the vehicle capabilities. Great job!
Is really surprising how little is important articulation... Everyone makes a lot of changes to get more articulation, but in the end the Humvee makes all without any !! Months ago I did some studies about this matter with our RC crawlers and surprisingly articulation and soft suspensions are not always the best: in some situations give more crawling performance but in others stiff suspensions gives more results!
I'd probably go Jeep over humvee for the same reason why I bought my 4Runner - have fun on the trail for hours aired down and having fun, then just jump back on the highway and go wherever you want. But both are B.A. Huge thumbs up!
Got a 98 H1 wagon I’ve taken it thru everything crossed rivers deep snow mud up to the doors and I never got stuck. Never had to use my winch either. Plus chicks dig them.
If you can't lock up the tires you need either higher coefficient brake pads, more power assist, or to change the ratio of the master cylinder diameter to the brake caliper piston diameter. You need more clamping force or more friction.
I'm a Jeep guy and I want to say a Jeep would do better but the H-1 is a great off road rig if you take each one stock the H-1 IS going to out do the Jeep every time on the trail and if you want to make a Jeep out pro-form the H-1 then your going to spend lots of money doing it. Thanks for the video besafe out on the trail I can't wait to meet you someday when out come close to my home town. God Bless.
You don't have to do anything super crazy like an engine swap to outgun the H1 with one of the new Jeeps imo, throw a 3 or 4 inch lift on it and some 40 super swappers and you can climb just about anything without lockers.
@@c4onmylip I say your wrong I've wheeled with lots of H-1 and they are awesome on the trail stock theirs no stock Jeep that will even come close to it
@@williamj.barnhartjr.3108 I would have said the same thing until these new JLs came out. Idk what it is about them that makes them seem so much more capable than the last gen JKs stock. I bought a 2 door sport and threw on some stock rubi take off wheels and it seems like it crawls up over ledges easier than previous jeeps I've wheeled with 37s and regeared everything.
@@williamj.barnhartjr.3108 granted, I've only wheeled with 2 H1s in my life, so maybe you can chalk it up to the driver over the capability of the vehicle itself.
Being an old Army retiree, I have a soft spot in my heart for the H1. I've driven them over just about ever terrain... from the deserts of Kuwait and Iraq to dragging State street in Salt Lake City (talk about some wide eyes and long stares!). But at the end of the day, I'm getting old and I love a comfortable ride. The H1 is a bit lacking in the creature comforts like A/C, a smooth ride, radio, nice seats... and the list goes on. No offense H1, I still love you and the time we had together but, I choose the Jeep!
I know I’m super late to the party, but if you ever get with that guy with the Humvee again, tell him to use BTM (Brake Throttle Modulation). Since Humvee’s are equipped with Torsion differentials, applying light breaking pressure effectively locks the differentials up. Just drop it on low range, use light throttle, and some light brake pressure and it will walk over damn near anything. Another thing is that Humvee’s aren’t designed to flex, they are designed to go at extreme angles with high amounts of payload... the byproduct is that when faced with extreme terrain, wheels will end up coming off the ground. As long as it is taken slow, you will pretty much never tip it no matter how ridiculous it gets.
Awesome video! Dude is funny..perhaps a spin off?? Lol. Great flex on the Toyota and Chevy👍👍 a jeep is already like driving a brick, hummer's like a Freakin cinder block, but I would like to have one for clearing Chicago rush hour traffic😁😁👍💥💥
Rams have a manual override for when there’s no power to the transmission. Pull the lever and it’ll go i to neutral. I also agree with everybody else, Kevin totes needs a bodysuit.
Just stumbled across this old video in my feed. I have not been to wheeler lake since I was a kid. We camped up there and the worst thunderstorm I can remember. My dad drove his 79 Bronco up there.
I like both, partial to the H1 because I am a US Veteran and I have put the H1 to the test overseas. I just bought a jeep Gladiator to join the fun offroading.
Those coils on the hummer are rated for huge amounts of cargo. We used to have armor plate, 20 cases plus of 50 cal, rucks, weapons, satcom, water fuel… etc lol. Def no flexing but they are TANKS.
If you really want to have fun try (mild) off-roading with a semi. To get into some delivery locations (farms) I've had to tip a top-heavy bodytank almost as much as the jeep at 11:30, taken full-size hazmat trailers down roads like the one the Humvee is on at 12:00 and gone over terrain like what you have at 13:45 (though I typically get as square as I can and try to get a run at it). Not to mention the mud. I've pushed a bodytank weighing about 36,000 lbs through 60+ feet of mud 2+ feet deep (I'm still surprised I actually got through that). Those days usually involve me dropping f-bombs for 30-60 minutes while cussing out the salesmen who send me to those locations.
Sweet video, and awesome views! Maybe you all can do a meet up with James (STRADMAN)? He is about to pickup his Gladiator from having the Hellcat swap and you both could do a trail with the big V8's? That would be epic. Show James how to wheel, and checkout the two swapped Jeeps that are the most famous?
The M998 HMMWV (High Mobility Multi Wheeled Vehicle) is extremely hard to roll or flip over. Especially the non up-armored ones. They are surprisingly agile and will literally go almost anywhere which I'm sure you guys found out.
Great to see you back trailing! That Humvee was fun to watch, so different animal than solid axle rigs. And this video again proved that Brit is amazing spotter.
Love the video. Really, jealous it's 101F in Alabama, and yall are playing in the snow. Trails look awesome. But Kevin mad driving skills and Brittany the number on the spotter. Let us know when you're headed our way. We will get our local club to meet up with y'all. Iron City Wranglers.
Liked at 5 seconds in. You have no idea how nice it is to have a 40 minute video of yall's to watch in the morning to start my day!! Thank you! My apologies on not being able to join patreon. I can barely buy food for myself!! LOL. Definitely enjoy these videos though!!
Ooooo, and I've done that trail in my 2007 Dodge Ram PowerWagon! So neat to see it again on your video after so many years, dang, wait, that would've been a decade ago. Whoa!
I've drove both vehicles... I can say with the Humvee you're not afraid of sending it because it's Gov't issue =). Both are very Capable and both have their Pro's and Con's.
Messed it up or get stuck.... call a wrecker and drop it at the motor pool.... let me know when its fixed thanx guys.... infantry troops just walk away
Nice scenery all the way through, loved hearing the Hemi roar. The m998 though impressive kind of self-centers and can not take the lines the Stepchild does. I doubt that my JLUR could do what the Stepchild does in its current configuration. I have found myself going back to your older videos for reference, and recently talked with Justin @ Factor 55, and waiting on delivery of my new recovery gear. As always love the videos and waiting for the next one.
Nice! H1 owner knows what's up... Articulation is for sissy drivers who can't handle the teetering sensation of big wheel stands! In reality, even with a wheel way in the air, the H1 is still less likely to roll than a lifted Jeep that gives the impression of stability because it's wheels are still touching the ground.
If all tires are on the ground it literally means there is more stability lol Articulation is for more complex and hairy situations. Half of the trails we offroad on an H1 wouldn't fit width wise and would roll by the amount of flex we have to use to get over obstacles. Not only are a lot of the trails off camber but you are flexing out quite a bit over boulders and washouts that an H1 wouldn't make it over without rolling.
@@spydergs07 you are obviously very inexperienced with humvee's, the articulated jeep will always roll before the no top striped down hmmwv, I've be running a m998 since 2016 where bouncers go, this video is hilarious so afraid of tipping the humvee
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i like jeeps but i would go with the humvee
I would opt for the Jeep as long as it included the passenger! Lol
Lite Brite hmmv in Moab beats a Jeep every time. Add mud Jeep wins.
"What's amazing is no matter how tight the bushes are, they're always way worse on Mark's side" hahahaha brilliant.
The Humvee may not have much flex, but it's trailer sure does! Goodness, poor trailer.
I was thinking poor parking pawl in the tow vehicle transmission.
@@Fix_It_Again_Tony agreed
defently needs a wider trailer
that trailer is looks like a 7K at best, totally underrated for that humvee
As an old army guy I love seeing a Hummer out there off roading! I absolutely loved the hummer's I had during my time in the military... we certainly had fun in them and that trans tunnel heat is the real deal. Loved the heat in Germany and not so much in the middle east!
The Humvee brakes work so well because of the reduction gear in the portals. Since the brakes are mounted inboard, the gear reduction multiples the torque between the wheel and the brake rotor.
Nothing like a swingers party after a long day of off-roading.
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Watch her eyes around 36:48. Goes right to the guy's crotch.....
The whole reason people watch this is in hopes to see Brittany naked...lol but can you blame us?
Wiley Coyote she couldn’t help herself
Finally, a nice wheeling video...I do appreciate build videos, but I'd rather see rocks and dirt over cement garage floors any day.
When I was in the military our early model non-uparmored HMMWV's had different payload ratings 2500lb and 5100lb. I believe this one would do much better unloaded like your friend is running it with some lighter coil springs in the back. To get the Torsen Diffs to lock up we pressed the brake and throttle at the same time.
With all our butts, gear and armor in it the rig will articulate more than the one I saw in the Video. Not trying to shamelessly plug any product but those 6.2 and 6.5 motors really like Engine Restore, it helped me get mine started in the cold and they like a little transmission fluid or 2 cycle oil in the fuel as well especially if you're running jet fuel.
I've always wanted an H1 and i do love my Jeep. it saddens me to say this because I love the H1 so much but I would choose the Jeep over the H1 simply because of the community that Jeep has I've made dozens of new friends in the last 18 months and it's changed my life because of all these wonderful people. SO JEEP FOR LIFE
I'd like to see more off-road and less chit-chat
Yea its so annoying
yeah that fucking laughing was driving me insane sorry
@@zirkzi soooooo much laughing!
I was thinking the exact same thing. Only chit chat while off roading is spotting... not vloging
heck you "rOuL" what the heck type of name is hecking roul anyway? paul with a hecking R were you afraid of P you hecker ??
For the price, H1, sawzall, & 40's. Can't beat that!
Some softer coils on the back of that H1 would probably help it out a good bit. They were rated at either 1 ton or 1-1/4 ton depending on which kind of humvee it is, and I think it's safe to assume it will no longer need the payload capacity that those springs were originally put in for.
The HUMVEE made the rocks look pretty easy - no center diff to worry about! But new Hemi and axles in JL are performing amazingly!
So I'm convinced that Kevin definitely knows how to off-road but Brittany really has the mad skills.
I agree Rusty, Britt has got rain man (Lady)skills for picking a line. I have not seen better. @25 min in she tells that XJ to back up while cutting the wheel to get that purrfect line. Made it look easy. Wow.
Never see (or watched) anything quiet like these two. They make a dynamic couple!
It cracks me up when guys ignore her directions and then finally take her line and clear and obstacle. I laugh every time.
@@shawnt4575 That's a WJ, but yeah, I thought the same and scoured the comments for similar...
Dem lines Britt!
I will have to stick with Jeep on this one. However, one thing that can't be disputed is Brit's spotting skills, she's awesome! Great vid, stay cool you two!
As someone who survives on tippy and not flex, the hummer was never close to tipping. Its always fun to watch you flexy wranglers freak out when us non-flexy guys start three wheeling.
The Humvee is too wide to flip that easily. 😊
Nearly 39 minutes of video and not one guy said, "I wish I could have a hummer". The H1 is a beast. It's like a huge steel plate with wheels. Like Kevin said it just slides around to a different line until it gets to it's destination. Very cool trail and amazing scenery!!
I once took a humvee to a 70-degree incline rock trail while I was in the military. That thing can take a hit and is mad sturdy. The only problem is that it requires too much PMCS.
If that Humvee doesn’t have a name yet I think ‘Tiny Dancer’ would suit it perfectly! Awesome video btw!
Joshua Rounds hahaha yes that is so good
Stock hummer vs stock jeep. I’m not a hummer fan but it would be a good comparison
Why compare apple to a orange? You have to add alcohol :)
It would not be a competition. Not sure why anyone would think it would. The US Army has them for a reason. Real Jeeps were let go in the 70's.
The Jeep is awesome!! And I already know that some people won't understand why you were talking about the Humvee having much better brakes, They will think your Jeeps antilock brakes are much better, which on the highway they are, but when you're offroad rock crawling they're not. The Humvee's brakes are better on the rocks because they lock the entire driveline and not each hub separately like regular vehicles braking systems, which can allow one or more hubs to have play in them and can cause certain tires to slip or just not hold as well as all the others.
It's great to see Lite Brite back on Colorado trails, doing what Lite Brite does best!
I'm slightly biased because I worked at a Hummer dealer for about 5 years and have driven them quite a bit. They will always have a soft spot in my heart. The Stepchild is super badass, but I'd definitely have to take the Hummer. Nothing like them!
The electric auto transmissions have a manual lever, to put it in neutral. In the ram pickup it is behind a panel on the left side of the steering wheel, the Grand Cherokee it is in the center console towards the back, not sure where it is in the JL but check your manual.
Loved this video. So relatable to those of us who have relatively stock, or slightly modified Jeep Rubicons. Nice to see you Jeeping in different terrains. Reminds me of the wheeling we have up in BC. I only wish I had a spotter as good as Brittney
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“are we gonna drive or walk?”
“Yea”
Damn it! You beat me to it...
Hi Kevin and Britt, Last weekend I was at the Toledo Jeep Festival. I was talking to a guy from Ripp superchargers and he told me that the JL has a learning ECM after so many cycles of the ignition being turned off and on it can make changes. That's why they haven't released their JL supercharger yet, they want to make sure the tune is right before they do. This is probably why you could never get the tune right In your turbo.
Jeepdog JL maybe so. No clue
I lived in Cortez for 10 years and I have a uncle who owns a guest ranch in San Miguel between Norwood and Telluride and my aunt lives in Montrose I miss the mountains and I go back every year.... my oldest daughter is buried there! You took me for a great ride on memory lane!
Fantastic cenery up there. I don't think it matters what you drive, as long as you have fun and come back safe... I still love my Jeep.
I think neither would of won without Britts super spotting!
I tested these for the military in 86 with the 9th ID. If he knew all the tricks to the HMMWV it would have gone even better. I must say, he did great for a new HMMWV driver. BTW, ya'll were so worried about the tipping point. Without the flex, the idea is that the low center of gravity and non-shifting center of balance or Fulcrum point, keep stability. When the wheel articulate, the weight is constantly shifting. Also, you are running a 30-year-old, perfect design against the best today has to offer. Geared hubs alone win the day. Or the brakes being located on the driveshaft. Oh, and initiate the brakes while gas is applied and you set the front and rear lockers. That one Sketch rock climb would have been a walk in the park. We took them over much worse terrain...and what, you think Afghanistan has paved roads in the mountains? Oh, and they were initially tested to stand 14 years of the worst war conditions. I only knew of 2 times they rolled. Both the same driver, (Lovejoy, you idiot.) and both times he rolled them by driving the passenger side over a cliff on gravel roads. Not even 4X'ing.
My grand parents lived in Black Hawk when I was young. And before I was born my dad was the sheriff of Central City. I haven't been back there in 30yrs! But I remember them taking me up on logging roads. I must go back in my Jeep some day!
Brittany's spotting skills are just incredible - time and time again... Love it.
Yeah but her voice is fkn annoying time and time again.
Awesome video! I love to go back to Colorado someday to do more wheeling.
FYI- Ram trucks has a Park override lever behind a panel on the left side of the steering wheel. JL has them too under the panel in front of the gear shifter ;)
First drove the Wheeler Lake trail in 81 with my 68 Scout half cab, 266 V8, limited slip rear. Of course I did not take the same lines you did, but for back then the thrill was there. Another awesome video and great spotting Brittany.This is why Colorado is my home, full of fun scenic trails from mild to wild.
Brad Shutler that’s awesome!
@@boughtnotbuiltoffroad7784 Thanks Kevin, we used to think 31 x 10.50 tires were big back then. So much has changed in the 4x4 world since.
Hummer uses a toque bias diff designed by Zexel in order to achieve lock up like a locking diff apply the brakes. The best way to do this is called “Brake-Throttle Modulation”. Hold the brakes firm and apply 3/4 throttle, slowly let up on the brakes till you start to move. At that point hold what you have and the diff is locked like a selectable locker. If you let up to much brake you will get wheel spin. At that point don’t slam the brake you will brake a axle due to the rotating mass, I.e. the tire and rim. Let up on the throttle and start again. It is very effective but only works in low speed crawling for obvious reasons. I spent ten years training the Army Special Forces this technique.
Howdy! That is my M998 in the video! If the rear diff isn't locking up correctly while the front one is while I am using the brake technique, is the rear diff just worn out and needs to be replaced or rebuilt, or am I just doing something wrong?
Brittany is the epitome of listen to your wife i cant count how many times she has read a situation perfectly despite the peanut gallery
Gorgeous trail! Rad to see that S10 in the group too! :)
The flex on that was insane. Lots of awesome vehicles in this video.
I think everyone who drives a H1 in the military just wants one. They are such a fun sledge hammer to drive. Just a brute.
The HMMWV shows the limitations of an independent suspension compared to a live axle, and the lack of locking diffs hurts too.
No. It's made to be like that clearance is more important. It does have lockers, Gleason Torrson-the guy just doesn't know how to use the brake/gas method to lock them.
I love both, really hard decision here guys. I can honestly say though that I love the sound of that N/A V8 Diesel.
Jeep all day of course because I’m a jeep maniac. But the Humvee was awesome also. Great video y’all
Yup Colorado is amazing. Our MHJC patrol runs that area a few times each summer. I drove an H1 in the Army in the 80s-90s. It was the top of off road tech back then. But the modern Jeep is far more advanced. Love my 2012 JKU sport. See you all on the trail some time.
This was quite helpful. I’ve often wondered how a hummer would perform on trails. That articulation demo on the little dip you each crossed sealed Jeep as the winner for me.
Great to see some good trail video. H1 vs. Jeep was fun.
When the Humvee gets sketchy it looks like my dog taking a pee.
Dare I say best video yet? Of course I'm a little biased. My wife and I honeymooned in Colorado. We visited Central City while we were out there. If only I new that Yankee Hill trail was there! Maybe it's time for a road trip!
Harry Bachmann definitely. Drive over to saint Mary’s glacier
This has to be one of your best videos! What a fun bunch of friends; kids playing in the snow and the rocks! Great to see the different rigs and how they drove. I miss my ZJ...
It seemed to me that every time there was a traction loss on the rocks, the vehicle, no matter which one, had hard tires; letting air out might have helped, especially on the HumV. The military had tires and wheels hooked up to an on-board deflate-inflate system that could change the air on the roll. Those sure didn't look the like military wheels! I've always thought the Military could have used a few thousand Jeep Wrangler variants instead of as many expensive HumV's.
How did your vinyl wrap hold up in the brush? StepChild should sounds and looks terrific! Thanks again for a great evening's entertainment! Love the banter between you two!
i think all the vehicles were great, glad to see the s10 keep up :)
I want a jlur with portal axles. Also that looked like a m998 not a H1. H1 was the first civilian model of the m998 hmmwv.
That was a military HMMWV. Not an H1. H1's have interiors.
@@nothingtoseaheardammit yeah that's what I said
An m1115 would be better. Shorter wheel base and better suspension with a turbocharged engine
I've taken Humvees through some pretty intense terrain.
The guy driving it doesn't seem to realize that locked in 4low with brake throttle modulation will take that thing literally anywhere the wheels can touch.
The test isnt evenly biased. Obviously we would all prefer the comfortability of the jeep.
But someone with alot of miles behind a M1165 can go much more sketchy places than they went lol.
Brittany kills it again with spotting.. you surprise me every time. No not because your a girl but because I’m looking and thinking I don’t know if that’s gonna work and it does.
The Toyota and Chevy ... looks like it was to boring for them. Personally I'm a jeep guy but that Chevy & Toyota are impressive , the Hummer held it's own but i wouldn't take it crawling because i wouldn't feel safe without a rollbar . The scenery was amazing at the lake and i would have a blast up there with a FPV wing.Thanks for the Great Video!!
Go watch the HumveeLife videos of the H1 fleet in Moab. It'll change your mind :)
Isn't it like public knowledge that Jeeps are Hummer rescue vehicles? 🍺 All in good fun. Anything that can make it is Aces in my book. Any brand, any build. Thanks!
Lol, I'm a huge jeep fan but stock vs stock I think the hummer takes it. Independent suspension gives it great clearance but something I just love about flexing on a straight axle.. plus I'd much rather pay for a jeep than a hummer
@@that1guy0219 I getcha. I just think the wheel base is too long and will high-center more frequently even with an experienced driver. Just IMO. The clearance is awesome though. And I do like Hummers in concept. I'm just a Jeep geek man. I'm sure you know how it can be. \m/
i gotta say, i had no real interest in jeeps when i first clicked on britt's diatribe '5 things we hate about our new JL', but following the StepChild's transformation from beast to beauty, i am awestruck! this is one Very valid use of the word, awesome!! as to JL vs H1, Very interesting!!! i'd like to see you both at Ocatillo Wells, the Mojave, Baja, or the like. the StepChild has blossomed into an offroad Ferrari while the H1 is more an offroad tractor! still, its in those extremes that the appeal (or lack thereof) for an evolving collection of parts is truly illuminated. please dont take the evaluation of the H1 as a tractor in a negative context, it's not a bad thing; the same is said about my big red pig(xr650l), but thats part of it's charm & appeal .
Jack Craig all very valid
the S10 and the 'Yota were the real winners
Morpheas they were badass for sure
The s10 had front flex for days.
Thats what i noticed. The trucks made it look ez.
Drove the H1 in 80’s. Lots of countries, lots of terrains, nothing comfy about it lol.
You drove a HMMWV. Not a H1. HUGE difference in comfort. For example, my H1 has a backup camera, leather heated captains chairs with a butt-massager and an all-leather interior.
Military tip for starting the humvee. Have someone hold a piece of cardboard over the tailpipe to create back pressure as another person starts it.
That V8 conversion is sooo good! I love the seeing the Step Child and all the growth and changes she's gone through.
By far the best video you guys have done. Shows why wheeling is loved by so many. Your wife is a truly amazing spotter! Cheers!
Humvee needs to be up armoured and have a 50 cal mounted, like we had in Iraq.👍👍🇬🇧🇬🇧🇺🇸🇺🇸
Actually when the m998 first went into service around 1987 they were that ( minus cut fenders and 40 tires or course ) it was against the rules to use the doors on exercises. The doctrine at the time was that if you got into ambush you jumped out and fought it out.
Well yea because if the doors were on youd have the locals run up and throw grenades in the cab and you couldnt get out in time
And i call gunner seat
@@JKTF476 well i wasnt in then i was in from 08 to 18.... was a bit different for us..... sadly 03 04 vets wernt combat vets and didnt think that way sadly
I loved the look on your face at the 8:43 mark when he said he won every challenge he made up. LOL
Brit, you are a professional ground guide for all rock crawler vehicle’s. You understand the lines, the driver, and the vehicle capabilities. Great job!
The step child sounds freaking sick as hell... puberty did the step child good!
Is it me or does the real winner seem to be the red Chevy pickup that just made everything look easy? It would be great to get more info on the Chevy.
I was thinking the same, the suspension on that ZR2 is insane!
From what I can see in the video it looks like a custom triangulated for link on tons and at least 40s
Is really surprising how little is important articulation...
Everyone makes a lot of changes to get more articulation, but in the end the Humvee makes all without any !!
Months ago I did some studies about this matter with our RC crawlers and surprisingly articulation and soft suspensions are not always the best: in some situations give more crawling performance but in others stiff suspensions gives more results!
A little shaking in baking in the hotel room after everyone wash's their ass's. You all have no shame to your game. I love it. LoL
The Humvee has Zero flex. I bet that is one rough ride😂.
jm8373 just hit it as speed
I have heard of soild axles, this is the first time I have heard of soild suspension, yaba daba do.
It doesn't need flex. It goes everywhere the lifted and built vehicles went with no problems.
They are horrible! The best suspension on them is from deflating the tires.
@@JeepTeriyaki the Rubicon with it's unlockable sway bar has more articulation than any other stock vehicle.
Brit nice spotting, I say it’s the Jeep that wins, even though I have an FJ!
Colorado truly has everything a Jeeper could ever dream of in off-roading and views. WOW.
I'd probably go Jeep over humvee for the same reason why I bought my 4Runner - have fun on the trail for hours aired down and having fun, then just jump back on the highway and go wherever you want. But both are B.A. Huge thumbs up!
I would like to see ya guys go wheeling with a Unimog!
Great video guys , that was insane how easily you pulled that truck .
Got a 98 H1 wagon I’ve taken it thru everything crossed rivers deep snow mud up to the doors and I never got stuck. Never had to use my winch either. Plus chicks dig them.
If you can't lock up the tires you need either higher coefficient brake pads, more power assist, or to change the ratio of the master cylinder diameter to the brake caliper piston diameter. You need more clamping force or more friction.
Jeep looks like it's working great, nice job you guys. I'd personally take the jeep but the Humvee is still as awesome truck.
I'm a Jeep guy and I want to say a Jeep would do better but the H-1 is a great off road rig if you take each one stock the H-1 IS going to out do the Jeep every time on the trail and if you want to make a Jeep out pro-form the H-1 then your going to spend lots of money doing it. Thanks for the video besafe out on the trail I can't wait to meet you someday when out come close to my home town. God Bless.
You don't have to do anything super crazy like an engine swap to outgun the H1 with one of the new Jeeps imo, throw a 3 or 4 inch lift on it and some 40 super swappers and you can climb just about anything without lockers.
@@c4onmylip I say your wrong I've wheeled with lots of H-1 and they are awesome on the trail stock theirs no stock Jeep that will even come close to it
@@williamj.barnhartjr.3108 I would have said the same thing until these new JLs came out. Idk what it is about them that makes them seem so much more capable than the last gen JKs stock. I bought a 2 door sport and threw on some stock rubi take off wheels and it seems like it crawls up over ledges easier than previous jeeps I've wheeled with 37s and regeared everything.
@@williamj.barnhartjr.3108 granted, I've only wheeled with 2 H1s in my life, so maybe you can chalk it up to the driver over the capability of the vehicle itself.
Being an old Army retiree, I have a soft spot in my heart for the H1. I've driven them over just about ever terrain... from the deserts of Kuwait and Iraq to dragging State street in Salt Lake City (talk about some wide eyes and long stares!). But at the end of the day, I'm getting old and I love a comfortable ride. The H1 is a bit lacking in the creature comforts like A/C, a smooth ride, radio, nice seats... and the list goes on. No offense H1, I still love you and the time we had together but, I choose the Jeep!
David Davis
Thank you for your service!
I know I’m super late to the party, but if you ever get with that guy with the Humvee again, tell him to use BTM (Brake Throttle Modulation). Since Humvee’s are equipped with Torsion differentials, applying light breaking pressure effectively locks the differentials up. Just drop it on low range, use light throttle, and some light brake pressure and it will walk over damn near anything. Another thing is that Humvee’s aren’t designed to flex, they are designed to go at extreme angles with high amounts of payload... the byproduct is that when faced with extreme terrain, wheels will end up coming off the ground. As long as it is taken slow, you will pretty much never tip it no matter how ridiculous it gets.
Awesome video! Dude is funny..perhaps a spin off?? Lol. Great flex on the Toyota and Chevy👍👍 a jeep is already like driving a brick, hummer's like a Freakin cinder block, but I would like to have one for clearing Chicago rush hour traffic😁😁👍💥💥
Rams have a manual override for when there’s no power to the transmission. Pull the lever and it’ll go i to neutral. I also agree with everybody else, Kevin totes needs a bodysuit.
Just stumbled across this old video in my feed. I have not been to wheeler lake since I was a kid. We camped up there and the worst thunderstorm I can remember. My dad drove his 79 Bronco up there.
I like both, partial to the H1 because I am a US Veteran and I have put the H1 to the test overseas. I just bought a jeep Gladiator to join the fun offroading.
It ain't the gun , it's the gunner . You can't buy off road experience .
Yeah unless you spend 30k on a CanAm RC that thing drives you. If you get stuck with a CanAm you know you did something wrong.
Brittany you have to be one of the most bad ass spotters I have ever seen.
Yeah, but listening to her.....ugh....awful.
Those coils on the hummer are rated for huge amounts of cargo. We used to have armor plate, 20 cases plus of 50 cal, rucks, weapons, satcom, water fuel… etc lol. Def no flexing but they are TANKS.
If you really want to have fun try (mild) off-roading with a semi. To get into some delivery locations (farms) I've had to tip a top-heavy bodytank almost as much as the jeep at 11:30, taken full-size hazmat trailers down roads like the one the Humvee is on at 12:00 and gone over terrain like what you have at 13:45 (though I typically get as square as I can and try to get a run at it). Not to mention the mud. I've pushed a bodytank weighing about 36,000 lbs through 60+ feet of mud 2+ feet deep (I'm still surprised I actually got through that). Those days usually involve me dropping f-bombs for 30-60 minutes while cussing out the salesmen who send me to those locations.
Sweet video, and awesome views! Maybe you all can do a meet up with James (STRADMAN)? He is about to pickup his Gladiator from having the Hellcat swap and you both could do a trail with the big V8's? That would be epic. Show James how to wheel, and checkout the two swapped Jeeps that are the most famous?
Mike Biron can try. Just don’t know how to reach him
Hummer all the way love them. jeeps are great as well. i needs a hummer (sad face)
The M998 HMMWV (High Mobility Multi Wheeled Vehicle) is extremely hard to roll or flip over. Especially the non up-armored ones. They are surprisingly agile and will literally go almost anywhere which I'm sure you guys found out.
Great to see you back trailing! That Humvee was fun to watch, so different animal than solid axle rigs. And this video again proved that Brit is amazing spotter.
Great video! poor humvee trailer definitely flexes more than the humvee but they are still great wheelers for sure👍
Love the video. Really, jealous it's 101F in Alabama, and yall are playing in the snow. Trails look awesome. But Kevin mad driving skills and Brittany the number on the spotter. Let us know when you're headed our way. We will get our local club to meet up with y'all. Iron City Wranglers.
This video has me wanting to take a drive to Colorado soon
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Ooooo, and I've done that trail in my 2007 Dodge Ram PowerWagon! So neat to see it again on your video after so many years, dang, wait, that would've been a decade ago. Whoa!
I've drove both vehicles... I can say with the Humvee you're not afraid of sending it because it's Gov't issue =). Both are very Capable and both have their Pro's and Con's.
Messed it up or get stuck.... call a wrecker and drop it at the motor pool.... let me know when its fixed thanx guys.... infantry troops just walk away
I’m pretty sure y’all buddy smokes way too much of that Colorado WEED!! LMAO
Too much? Too much for one person might be just the right amount for another.
ALL 4 FUN he doesnt smoke at all actually. Lol so that’s really funny. Why you think that?
Britt’s spotting skills are off the chain!
Nice scenery all the way through, loved hearing the Hemi roar. The m998 though impressive kind of self-centers and can not take the lines the Stepchild does. I doubt that my JLUR could do what the Stepchild does in its current configuration. I have found myself going back to your older videos for reference, and recently talked with Justin @ Factor 55, and waiting on delivery of my new recovery gear. As always love the videos and waiting for the next one.
Don Jernigan thanks!! Factor 55 is great
Nice! H1 owner knows what's up... Articulation is for sissy drivers who can't handle the teetering sensation of big wheel stands! In reality, even with a wheel way in the air, the H1 is still less likely to roll than a lifted Jeep that gives the impression of stability because it's wheels are still touching the ground.
If all tires are on the ground it literally means there is more stability lol
Articulation is for more complex and hairy situations.
Half of the trails we offroad on an H1 wouldn't fit width wise and would roll by the amount of flex we have to use to get over obstacles.
Not only are a lot of the trails off camber but you are flexing out quite a bit over boulders and washouts that an H1 wouldn't make it over without rolling.
@@spydergs07 you are obviously very inexperienced with humvee's, the articulated jeep will always roll before the no top striped down hmmwv, I've be running a m998 since 2016 where bouncers go, this video is hilarious so afraid of tipping the humvee
Humvees literally are almost impossible to tip I have never seen one on its lid unlike almost every jeep I've ever seen
@@V8SRSLO1 i agree
I would have to agree the H1 is the most stable. Articulation is only good for traction not stability