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Do you have a similar video for Intel? I'm considering a new build and I'd be really happy to find an in depth comparison of these same issues for intel as well.
Bro, it was your faulty selection of DRAM, you can only use Apacer DRAM (Apacer combines all the best DRAM parts together) if you want real stability, or the higher end DRAM of others. This is not an AMD issue, this is a DDR5 and shitty DRAM issue. You can only use DRAMs that are rock-solid with AMD systems, the reason behind this is, that Intel has "designed" DDR5, and this will also change, when AMD EXPO and DDR6 - sticks will come, they will be all AMD "designed". You have to understand, that the faster the shit gets, the harder are the limits and the narrower is the stability bandwith.
@@alevilikvealeviler well yeah I know that NOW. Almost a year later lol. Look at the publish date. This video is old. We have way better knowledge of this stuff now.
Thank you for the info. I would recommend asking other manufacturers about stability issues, just because Asus is trying to do damage control right now.
“Title is not click bait” lol 😂. I’m glad that ASUS contacted you bro! That’s amazing! Best video yet thank you for keeping informed on everything! Really happy for you 🔥
DRAM Voltage at 1.35 is completely different from the SOC Voltage you referring to. Do some research despite the fact that you was about going on vacation because you touched a really sensitive matter for many people. So just to clarify 1.35v DRAM Voltage is completely safe as long as the RAM manufacturer specifies it as safe, HYNiX A-DIE is rated without a heatsink up to 1.43v as a completely safe value. SOC Voltage settings is another story for another day and the value is given from the motherboard manufacturer once you enable EXPO ,they need a Voltage value that will work for the masses, but you need to adress your mistake because that's misinformation territory. And Asus gave you all the bullshit excuses/explanations and let you think that those was actually useful informations. You missed the point that AMD and Asus both advertise higher speed DDR5 stuff and they are both responsible for what it's happening with the AM5 platform,each on their own wrong doing. Saying that anything above 5200mts consider it extra when they are advertising 6400mts in their qvl proved the point even further that Asus isn't serious or credible company these days.
Was gonna point out that but you already did it. Completely agree with you! I was gonna buy Asus B650E-F and build a system around it, but this whole thing made me reconsider and decided to wait for Ryzen 8000 (if they address the issues properly) and Intel 14th Gen.
Yeah I had the same rant. He's missed the actual issue. Dram volt is not the SOC which is the cpu melting issue. Under clock it. If you're really worried. I've seen some stable while OCd at 1.2V on the SOC.
Y even deal with all this? Power consumption? Idk man I'm on intel I'm no fanboy by far. I was gonna get a x3d chip. But after all this this I713700k and 7000mhz ram looking real good right now. No issues no bugs. Idk maybe next gen. I was lookin forward to it as well the x3d
@@KinGDGaminG63 I have 7800x3d, 6000CL30 memory and zero issues with it. This is all just small issue after new launch that thanks to massive PR Fail on Asus side got overblown. MSI x670E ACE or Carbon wifi if you dont min best but more costy board or B650 Tomahawk. Asrock is good alternative, but I would avoid Gigabyte, they seems to have even more technical issues with bios than Asus. I personaly wanted to go with ACE, but got x670E hero instead because of 4 slot space between PCI-E (have 3+ slot 7900xtx and need to use 2nd PCI-e slot time from time). As long as you get good memory kit with Hynix A-die you should be fine. AX5U6000C3032G-DCLARBK is one of good but cheap options.
Thank you for the clarification. Yes, I too fell into the AM4 delirium that AM5 should operate at Ram advertized speed. It's been driving me nutz! I used the G.Skill DDR5 RGB 4 sticks at 16 gb and was floored when I didn't get the usual "expected" speeds the boxes advertized. Removing 2 stick from Bank 1 and living with the new reality check. Thanks for the explaination. It all makes sense now!
Nice video and it's nice to see a dedicated knowledgeable person that's willing to help others. This is an old video but I must comment on the misinformation provided by the Asus tech. That happens from time to time. I upgraded to the AM5 platform in October of 2022 which is the month it debuted. It was indeed a pain, constant memory config/training issues and the performance was awful. Once I went from BIOS ver. 0512 to 0705 the performance drastically changed. I was always able to run 4 16gb sticks of GSkill Trident Z DDR5 6400mhz at full speed. BIOS ver. 0705 for the Asus X670E-A was installed on 10-24-2022. Whoever stated AM5 could not run more than 2 sticks of RAM at that time was misinformed. My only gripe with my AM5 system today in 2024 is that it boots slower than my Intel system due to the constant memory training. We are now able to run faster memory at full speed which is a good thing. D.O.C.P or EXPO I'm witnessing AM5 run DDR5 @7800mhz.
1.3V is AMD supported SOC voltage, however voltages on QVL list are RAM voltages, those two are two different things. Memory speed you can get depend heavily on memory chip and bios, motherboard quality, silicon lottery is true but its not biggest factor. If you get good 6000MT/s kit with Hynix A-die you can run it on 6000 almost in every case out of box on EXPO1, With Hynix M-die maybe with further bios updates, but not right now. It was same with 1st generation Ryzen, it worked well with Sansung B-die but hynix based memory kits had a lot of problems initialy. Less stable over 32GB. Asus probably talking about Dual Rank modules which lower maximum stable frequency compared to single rank. (With DDR5 2x16GB should be considered single rank, though every DDR5 module is in reality dual rank, 2x32GB is Dual rank and runs little slower) In my case I have 7800x3d on x670E Hero and using 2x32GB 6000CL30 Adata Lancer kit, its stable 6000MT/s at EXPO1 profile SOC on auto (1.243V on Hero MB) tried 1.2V manualy before bios updates and though i did not run stress test, only benchmarks, I had zero issues. As for QVL, its realy only list of tested ram kits that were found stable by MB or Memory vendors, but it does not meen its 100% guarantee. Any Bios update can change it and also same memory kit made later or in different Fab can have different memory chip, its revison changed which can result in different results. (This was most annoing on DDR4 where you could get 3-5 different chips within same model of memory)
I'm looking at building on AM5. So your Asus board before the new BIOS update was stable and fine? No issues? Do you know if it matters whether you go normal 7000 series or X3D? Is X3D less stable? A SK Hynix made G Skill CL30 6000 ram kit would be perfectly fine? You seem to know a bit so I thought id ask, especially as you have an Asus board and I'd like to go Asus.
@@danemyburgh 7800x3d is perfectly stable for me. As for mrmory kit, make sure its Hynix A-die for best results. I am not sure what chips Gskill using, but CL30 should be probably A-die. For myself I used Adata Lancer AX5U6000C3032G-DCLARBK As it was a lot cheaper than same from GSKIL or Corsair.
@Pavel Gajdik Thanks man! So your X670 Hero board has been fine? I know Asus has put out an updated bios. No signs of burnt motherboard socket or burnt CPU? I have bought the X670 Strix e-e motherboard so I'd like to know everything before I put it together. Cheers
This is great info and will help people in the future about AM5. I will still plan on making my first build with AM4 so I'll be watching and seeing how this whole AM5 stuff unfolds and hopefully keeps improving. Good stuff, Erock, keep at it.
I'd completely skip this generation of MBs and CPUs. Too many problems and limitations. It MIGHT be a bit better for Zen 5 but AMD has a lot of work to do especially with their interconnect because that's part of the problem. It was fine for Zen 2/3 because it was running a bit slower but now the current config is a liability. I mean the mem controller is on the IOD, so that's latency added to get data from memory to the cores. But NOW with the move to DDR5 and the mem clock has to run a lot faster, which is another problem because it means more power consumption which is what the limiting factor is for AMD and 4 memory sticks (13900K with Z790 has been pushed to 7200 mt/s with 4 sticks but it sucks power), it also means the infinity fabric has to run a lot faster to move data from the IOD to the CCDs and THAT takes more power. So what was once good for Zen 2/3 using 500 series MBs and DDR4 memory and PCIe gen4 is no longer good for Zen 4 using 600 series MBs and DDR5 memory and PCIe gen5. AMD needs a different interconnect.
We just can’t ask too much from the general users. I didn’t even know what is VSOC before I bought the AM5 platform. We should stop the trend blaming that it is just user errors.
@@markgutierez9922 There's a general rule to follow, don't be an early adopter. It applies to alot of games these days and cars for that matter. If you're not comfortable messing around in BIOS etc wait 6 months, maybe a year. Do research. It shouldn't be like this but it is and it has been for a long time.
@@tmkongen Yep. I believe this was also the case with AM4. There's something to be said for buying discounted end of life platforms like AM4 with a 5800X3D. No hassle, great performance for the money. Rinse and repeat.
Another great informative video my guy. I greatly appreciate it! I'm just waiting for MSI to post an updated (non beta version) bios for the B650 Tomahawk Wifi so I can flash it and start my build. I've got the G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo 32GB 6000MHZ CL30 kit. If I run into any issues and instabilities while stress testing my build then I'll go with a 5200MHZ kit instead. Your killing it with the content man, keep it up!
Thank you! I really appreciate it! Yeah MSI is dragging their feet. But I’m on the latest non beta bios for my motherboard. The Soc voltage is as expected. But I have a b650 edge wifi motherboard.
Great video. I really want to see updated benchmarks to represent the recommended settings. I feel like amd bamboozled people with the fps numbers in the marketing and after all this I bet they are pretty different.
I've been pretty lucky on the lottery with my system so far, had no problem getting my memory to sit at 6000, my SOC has been at 1.27 for as long as I can remember though I did update the bios to be on the safe side. It's been running 24-7 for up to a week at a time, and the only reason I shut it down then is for the weekly cleaning/dusting. Had some minor issues early on with the rgb lighting, but it seems like that's all been sorted out as well.
Ryzen Master has an easy to use Curve Optimizer, it does per core optimization, and when it's stable it copies the values to your motherboard bios if you have PBO enabled. It's really easy, Curve Optimizer is great, lower temps and higher boost clocks.
Sad to hear all of these AM5 insights. Thanks for sharing. Looks like I will be keeping my AM4 platform... just bought a second pair of ddr4 Viper b-die, no issue with that😂
@@ErockOnTech By now, AM4 is fit for gaming as the ryzen 5000 cpus are excellent. With older generations you always had to take care not over buying on the gpu, as the cpus couldn't keep up. The cpu upgrade game was disappointing most of the times.
You can get 6000 mhz stable with additional dram voltage. DDR5 can easily handle additional voltage without degradation. You just have to watch memory temperatures when testing. XMP or EXPO is an overclock in itself.
Duuude excellent video I'm so glad I found your channel I appreciate your honesty and professionalism in your content. Your an asset to pc hardware users gamers enthusiasts like us I really enjoy and look forward to more content on this issue much respect ErockOnDeck!!!💯💯
AMD is just putting limits that should work stable for any CPU and memory module combination, if they put it higher and someone get cPU that does not work on such speeds, there would be another massive outcry.
I'd hazard a guess that the footnote about ram stability above 32GB (2x16GB) might additionally be related to single rank vs. dual rank 64GB (ie 2x32GB) ram putting more load on the memory controller.
Great video. The - SABRENT Rocket DDR5 128GB U-DIMM 4800MHz Memory Kit (4x32GB) for Desktops and PCs (SB-DR5U-32GX4) & A-Tech 128GB (4x32GB) DDR5 4800 MHz UDIMM PC5-38400 CL40 DIMM 288-Pin 2Rx8 1.1V Desktop RAM Memory Modules. As far as I know - right now these are the only 2 : 4 x 32 gb ( 128 gb ) memory kits for DDR5. Both have very similar specifications. The SABRENT kit is currently selling for $ 1,499.99 at Amazon and the A-Tech kit is selling for $509.19 at Amazon. As for if the SABRENT kit at almost 3x the cost of the A-Tech kit is worth the cost vs the A-Tech kit. Neither kit is an AMD EXPO certified kit - but I would assume if ran at the default speed the memory kits should work on an AMD AM5 system.
I’ve accidentally came across your channel and I love it! Thank you for the detailed info on pretty much everything! One question, I am aware of all the issues with Asus and Am5 platforms, but I really want to build a new pc including the 7800x3d, would you consider that foolish?
not at all. but not checking qvl, bios update, ram support, mb support, not knowing the difference between ram voltage and cpu voltage, and then on top of that start playing with overclocking, even if you don't know anything about it - that would be foolish.
Foolish if you dont put this motherboards: A620 X670E X670 B650E B650 And this ram DDR5-5200 . I put an a620m . issue. Put an x670e no issue. Put 6000mhz ram issue. Put an 5200 mhz no issue
I’m running 4 sticks of 16 of DDR5. When I had 2 sticks and I was able to get to the 6000 mhz as advertised. The moment I added 4 sticks, it would just give me a POST error. I was only able to get it to run at 5600mhz with 4 sticks, but still that’s pretty darn good.
A big mistake was not to address the DDR 5 RAM as a single stick option which unlike DDR 4 is a very viable option. Ran a few tests myself with 2 x 16 vs 1 x 32 and the results were equal except for the 1% low, in most cases I did not notice a difference when gaming. A single stick of DDR 5 works in dual channel by itself and is extremely stable at manufacturer specified ram speeds, running 2 sticks of 16 gb gave me a few instability issues with EXPO on ... but that could be due to other factors I didn´t have time to test. I only had 3 systems to test, so my results are in no way able to conform a baseline apart from the single stick ram option. The other mistake is to think that boards run the RAM and SOC voltage in sync, they don´t.
Good point, all ddr5 is dual channel, and 1 x 32gb should be dual rank with ddr5, so yeah it should be pretty darn close to 2x16. 2 sticks of ddr5 dual rank memory is where a lot of instabilities have been found. Just get an extra 1 or 3 dummy sticks if you're worried about aesthetics
okay, what about mini ITX AM5 only have 2 slot RAM basically can run 5200mhz right? on my r7 7800x3d that I wan't to build? thx for explanation I'm alone also miss this information from AMD... well for my self should aware what AMD 7000 series capable of instead blame motherboard anyway.
I bought my 7950x and TUF gaming X670-E board at launch, with 2 seperate kits of Kingston Fury Beast 6000mhz DDR5 to run quad channel Ram, without realising it worked a bit differently to DDR4 and AM4. Had a few stability issues and couldn't get a POST with EXPO enabled at 6000mhz, then eventually out of the blue I amazingly managed to get the system stable with 4 sticks running at 6000mhz, no blue screens or crashes etc and stable in memory tests. Was stable for at least 3 months. Then all of a sudden after a power cut the machine would no longer boot at that speed at all with 4 sticks, 2 sticks works perfectly fine at 6000mhz, all day, power off and on etc. I wanted 4 mainly for aesthetic reasons but I now plan on selling my 4x 16gb sticks and switching to a 2 x 32gb kit. My own fault really for not doing the research before purchasing you are so right that not enough people are talking about this, and AMD and all the M/B manufacturers should make it a lot clearer to potential buyers as this has never been a thing on DDR3/4 in the past. Great video, subbed and thank you for shedding more light on this subject
Thank you very much for the video. I recently built a new PC with a Ryzen 7 7800x3D and RTX 4070 Ti. I bought a 32GB memory kit with a frequency of 6000 MHz and I tried for a long time to understand why it did not work for me at this frequency. It's just that the computer did not boot into Windows and it gave me the text "The system has posted in safe mode". Thanks to your video, I just realized that the matter is in the speed declared by AMD for my processor, just 5200 MHz. I set this speed manually, but through the XMP profile and the system started working right away, booting into Windows without any problems. Thanks again
Mine says 1.25 on the CPU soc . With 6000 DDR 5 cl 30. But here is the thing .. I heard running soc even if it's a small overclock degrades the controller over time . Now here is the funny thing ... For all CPUs ram speed tends to matter .. But when you have an x3d cpu .. I have tested and tested and tested multiple times ( other outlets as well ) that running your memory higher than stock is pointless for gaming on a 7800x3d.. I have not noticed any frame difference . Maybe in the next video you can see for yourself if this is true... And if u see what I am seeing ... There is no point to even running overclocked memory ... Just run it at default and forget about it until proven otherwise. ( I have a 7800x3d ) as well
Hey, new here but I’d like to talk about my experience. I know I am late to this video but I didn’t have the necessity to be looking for it since I had an all in one pc, but since my new am5 build I had a few problems because I was not careful enough. When I first finished the build it was working fine but in the span of 3 weeks or so it started showing the first problems, and all because I was not being careful enough with the ram sticks as you said in this video. First thing I began checking after the build was complete were the temps, but they were fine, going up to 60-62 degrees on the latest games, problems began when I decided it was time to overclock the ram not knowing it would cause me some problems… So, just because I read on the ram packaging that it was a 6000Mt/s I thought it needed to work at its full potential but I was so wrong, all because I didn’t read the section about the 2 ddr5 ram sticks working at the intended speed such as 5200Mt/s. So after activating the amd expo setting for the rams and overclocking them, my setup worked fine until one day the blue screen of death showed up displaying the error code “MEMORY-MANAGEMENT” and that’s when the panic began. After a couple of restarts and some researches later I had found that the culprit could have been the amd adrenaline software not being up to date, so after it’s update the setup began working normally again, but not all panic had settled, In fact, after 2 weeks or less I started having problems again, such as having to wait a lot more for the pc to boot into windows, and sometimes restarting during the boot, but those problems seem to have been related to the ram being too high in frequency apparently (ryzen 7800x3d with 2 sticks of viper venom ddr5 ram overclocked from the basic 4200Mt to the 6000Mt). This problem was settled once and for all when , after a gaming session I decided to turn off the pc and after trying to reboot it, it wouldn’t turn on and on the mobo (MSI B650 GAMING PLUS WI-FI) the ez debug lights turned on(more specifically the dram light and consequently the cpu led). After carrying my setup to a local help center and trying to boot it with new 4200 Mt ram sticks it magically booted up. I’m sorry if whoever is reading this didn’t understand something but as an Italian I’m trying my best lol Thanks for the video even tho I’m late :)
I bought MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI with 2x16GB 6000Mhz RAM and I wanted to uprade it to 4x16GB but I was worrying that it wouldn't work but it did, no issue running 4x16GB with same 6000 Mhz speed. MSI is pretty stable with memory, I had previously Gigabite Z390 elite I had constant issue with RAM when I was always booting pc.
Built 3 AM5 Gigabyte x670 and no issues. Bought a used 7600x/Asus b650e-e ROG for $240. Stock bios had 7600x idle at 1.440v in bios and temps creeping up to 63c with stealth cooler. Even after latest bios I still had to use CO negative 30 and manual 1.25v on VDDIO/MC. It seems stable but I don’t trust this board for my 7800x3D and will likely keep it in a very light use media pc role with the 7600x. Sad it’s a premium $350 b650 but until I can prove it’s stable and safe voltage wise I don’t plan to use it in primary role.
@@ErockOnTech A summary section or chapter for exactly which specs were overvolting and what is now fixed in the latest BIOS would be very helpful to be able to check my own board against. I have an extra case and power supply so I plan to just temporarily put that combo together and can double check voltages and temps.
Just FYI, I think the "6000 mhz" is supposed to be "6000 MT/s." I've been out of the game awhile, but it looks like memory is moving away from mhz / ghz nomenclature to show transfer rates (MegaTransfers per second) instead of frequency.
There's a reason Mindfactory, the biggest computer retailer in Germany, does not stock any Asus products. You should ask your Asus contact about this....
I thought the video was a little confusing for people to understand. It is ok to run the RAM at the stated voltage for example, VDD = 1.35v, VDDQ = 1.35v. This is the voltage going to the RAM and is not the SOC voltage. It looks like AMD are now wanting people to not run the SOC voltage past 1.3v. This means the memory controller on the CPU may not work with the 6000Mhz RAM at 1.3v for the SOC. Also the motherboard SOC voltage on my x670e master runs about 0.05v higher than the actual CPU_VDDR_SOC. You need to be careful which values you are using or you may not be getting the most out of the system. For me I will not be updating the BIOS as I want to be able to adjust all the settings if required. When people purchsed their £300 Gskill 6000Mhz CL30 32gb RAM in my case this was because AMD said this was the sweet spot for the new system. For AMD now to limit the SOC voltage which your RAM now my not work with is not on. Why do people push high SOC voltage in the first place, because the system is not stable otherwise. I suspect the motherboard manufacturers know this including ASUS. My x670e at 1.25v SOC loads into windows but the 4090 GPU defaults to pcie3 mode. The GPU core is set to a low speed and the RAM speed also doesnt change, almost like the gpu is in a safe mode. Just because you get to windows the system performs poorly. These were my early issues with this new system. The only worse system I have had at the start was the NVIDIA 680i SLI chipset on the motherboard. The issue 1 of this board was the pitts. Even though this is a new system people have paid alot of money for it. Do we expect a few issues with a new system, Yes, but not for the system to catch fire or not run at the stated sweet spot speed that AMD tested and gave you performance figures for. Just my 2 pence worth.
Saw your "Before you buy AM5" and "AM5 has problems" then this video. Was considering buying a 5700x then thought heck why not a 7600x which was my initial choice but hesitant due to the temp and price complaints. Upgrading from an X79 system, I guess I am heavily leaning onto AM4 now since I don't want to pay an early adopter's tax, plus being a beta tester as this video has mentioned. The 200+ dollars more price of the AM5 versus the AM4 system probably isn't worth it for me. Thank you for guiding me to make the right decision. But I'll watch more videos before I pull the trigger.
@@AmirAl-Haque oh wow totally forgot this comment, but I ended up with a 5700x and it has been awesome. A few months after that from an RX470 I upgraded to a 7800XT a friend sold to me for 89usd after giving me a free 1000w asus rog gold psu. He's a friend I build PC's for. No regrets with the Ryzen 7, 4.8ghz single core and all cores hitting between 4.5 to 4.65, what's there to not like?
I werent clear on the big difference when using 4 sticks vs 2 sticks. One can only hope that AMD will make a better memory controller for the next generation of AM5 CPU's.I did know that there is a difference when comparing to Intel 13 gen which can surpass the 7000mhz, but also that the extra price for Ram that can go this high really don't benefit Intel that much, as you should believe Intel would have a big advantage being able to run the memory at 20-25% higher speed which isn't the overall case, especially not with gaming where 3D Vcache in many cases just is a better solution especially for those 1%low numbers which means overall smoother fps even the 13900K has some clear wins in max fps.
This is why I laugh when people say Intel is on a dead platform. Intel 12, 13 and 14 Gen CPU’s are modern and relevant processors. When Zen 5 launches it will benefit greatly from new motherboards that have superior memory controls and better ram speed and stability. This will make all the people that use the dead platform argument look like goofy clowns. Because it will be incredibly beneficial to buy a new motherboard for Zen 5.
There are a few ways to avoid the soc voltage going up. some people manual tweak it in bios which is a hassle to be honest. For me when all this issue started I just downgraded to a 5600 ram and it ran at 1.24v and has been really stable. I know they already release a stable bios but I’ll wait it out a few more weeks to a month or so before updating it and going back up to 6000. Good video overall and very informative for those who are still not sure what to do or what’s really happening.
It's the same with the FX series people who bought into it got screwed it was badly managed but you kept rolling with it. AMD's 5000 Series is most likely their greatest achievement.
@@ErockOnTech By the end of the Life-Cycle that is when you see them perform ,It's almost a mirror as to what Ryzen started out to be it took them 3 refreshes to get anywhere near intel in the gaming segment. I'm a long time AMD supporter but i use Intel as well, I just see Intel as the for sure buy these days.
AMD fx series like FX 8350 cpu. then you also had more memory speed limitation with 4 memory chips than you had with 2 pcs. if I remember correctly. correct me if i'm wrong. 4 memory chips stress the memory controller more. I experienced broken memory controller on fx8350. don't know how this is with AM5?
Very informative video. I have a gskill memory DDR5-6000 32GB that is listed on the QVL list for my Asus Motherboard and it's not stable when I have EXPO enabled.
My 7900X / Asus Strix X670E Gaming is running 4 sticks of 16GB G.Skill ddr5, total 64GB. Running EXPO 2 @6000Mhz. Odd thing is Infinity Fabric is @ 2100 though I knew none of this, lol. Ignorance is bliss sometimes. Thank you for the info.
thanks. I was looking on others channels and I was confused which voltage should be under 1.3V... You show clearly that CPU Core can be 1.4V and the CPU SoC is the one to be under 1.3V... I had run a 7700X with an ASUS TUF B650M with out dated bios for some weeks.. I hope everything did ok. Now I updated BIOS and with your video I can relax.
I'm so behind the curve lmao. I just built a 7800x3d system and have been trying to get 4 sticks of ram @6000m/ts to work for like 3 days. I think it can work now, it's just a pain in the ass and I don't know enough about manual timings.
Great video.I put 2x16 kingstone cl 32 6000mhz ram in b650m pg riptide i put xmp and pc works.But there is problem with boot speed my am4 platform boot in 10 seconds but am5 somwhere 45seconds becuse of ram treining.I downwolted becuse there is problem woth power cpnsaption i tested temperatures are great for testing i used cinabench 2024 and 3dmark advance (cpu temps where 75) my cooler is ak650.Sorry for bad english.Tnx and big hello from Serbia
Thats because you need to overclock the memory controller by increasing the clock speed to allow higher speed in 4 channel. By default setting is limited by cpu original setting.
It's hard to believe that the failure to be able to use 4 sticks of dram, in a mb with 4 dram sockets, is now considered a "feature". I'm really glad I stuck with a 1700 socket build a couple of weeks ago.
We understand that all new platforms will have problems but the way Asus went with customers. They tried to blame the part of the fault to someone else and screwed customers by not providing warranty for their own MB's but it backfired on them. After they got caught or everything blew up on the internet, Now they are sorry....
Yeah I called out Asus in my last video. So did Gamers Nexus. Asus has reverted their previous position and will now honor all RMA requests regardless of beta bios or not. This is an official statement they released.
9:14 isn't this column the RAM voltage and not the CPU SOC voltage? Motherboard vendors only capped the SOC voltage, not the RAM voltage. I picked a random kit from that list - FF4D532G6200HC38ADC01 and the voltage of 1.25V in that list matches the rated voltage that this kit runs at with XMP enabled - 1.25V.
I had read that there are QVLs for motherboards and that ASUS has zero 4 stick configs supported, and MSI does have a 4 stick QVL. No one uses the rated CPU spec limit for RAM, most use XMP.
I know all the information you provided but it was still a good video. For me and many others the new ASUS 1616 BIOS blue screens our PC's. I did a fresh windows install and I could not even go into my bios without my PC freezing. For over a day I tried default bios settings and I could boot into the PC than it would blue screen and it even green screened a couple times when i did get into bios to adjust my soc to 1.25 and adjust my fan curve. So I reverted back to 1413 and my PC runs great with all my previous BIOS settings. Many people on REDDIT have issues like me with the latest bios 1616 and you cant even enter bios settings that worked previously for you on previous bios. ASUS STRIX B650E-I.
32 gb total is fine. Anything less is fine. When you exceed 32 gb total, that is when the system can start to become less stable. This was my understanding from talking with the rep.
Yes, but most of the youtubers do not explain that the RAM is not working when using an x4 stick nor that 6000Mhz is OC and some CPU will no to work because of the silicon lottery. They all are guilty of misinforming the users. A lot of users don´t know that physical limitations is greater that BIOS optimizations or hardware design.
4 sticks or ram work, but usually on much lower frequency, 4800MT/s if you are lucky, it depend on capacity (32GB dualrank sticks are harder to drive) and ofcourse memory chips, if its Hynix A, Hynix M, Aamsung or Micron (Hynix-A have best results). And btw same problem is on Intel as well. And this not something new, same was with DDR2,3 and 4. If you check QVL there are not many 4stick modules listed and they top on 4800.
The number on the box for "gamer" RAM has never been an official spec. It's just what they managed to clock it up to in their test systems during the binning process (while keeping the voltage reasonable). They are all OC numbers.
My AM5 system randomly restarts and I can't find an obvious thing that triggers it. I could be web browsing / Gaming, or just leaving the machine alone. Replacing RAM tomorrow, but beyond that I can't work out what is happening, even with default bios setting i have the same problem
This problem really isn't on ASUS, it's on AMD. The fact that an AMD CPU burned up (watch the GN videos) isn't ON ASUS! That's a failure of the AMD circuit protection which in part DOES rely on voltage controls on the MB, but STILL, when heat hit a certain point the AGESA on the firmware in the CPU should have throttled ALL the different buses down to drop temps across the entire SoC and that failed to happen. I'm not saying ASUS has no blame here, but I think after all this is sorted out, and why ASUS was so quick to put out an updated BIOS is AMD's fault because THEY pushed out an AGESA that APPARENTLY FAILED! Protection for the MB is the responsibility of the board maker. Protection for the CPU is the responsibility of the CPU maker. BOTH are supposed to have protection so components don't fry. But since the CPU can keep asking for more power, and it's the LOAD, the the LOAD pulls power from the SOURCE, AMD failed to protect the CPU in a high power situation. And it really doesn't matter that the MB was pumping voltage that was a little higher than what it was supposed to be. The CPU should have dealt with that because heat would have been higher.
Bro, it was your faulty selection of DRAM, you can only use Apacer DRAM (Apacer combines all the best DRAM parts together) if you want real stability, or the higher end DRAM of others. This is not an AMD issue, this is a DDR5 and shitty DRAM issue. You can only use DRAMs that are rock-solid with AMD systems, the reason behind this is, that Intel has "designed" DDR5, and this will also change, when AMD EXPO and DDR6 - sticks will come, they will be all AMD "designed". You have to understand, that the faster the shit gets, the harder are the limits and the narrower is the stability bandwith.
Waaaaay back in the old days, Asus had an automated overclock & stress test. The system would tweak voltages and frequencies and reboot and test several times. Sure would be nice if they brought that back.
I guess my question is is it SAFE to run a DDR5 kit rated for 6000 mhz? Ignoring overclocking and getting the rated speed, but is it SAFE? (Ryzen 7000)
That’s fantastic. I don’t have 4 sticks to test myself. I know Jay confirmed he couldn’t run 4 sticks at full speed and neither could his editor. Again, as stated in the video, this is why we have so many conflicting reports. He reported no. You report yes. What’s the difference? Silicon lottery and memory controllers.
WOW ,dude you are the man. Thanks for putting this vieo out. I too assumed that I could run the corsair vql ram at 6000, no can do. Got it to run and 5600 with memtest86 ok so I though I was good, but no. Still very intermittend crashes. Lowered it to 4800 and it's stable I figured it's not worth the hassle and left it. I missed the 5200 max spec on AMD's web site.I'll crank it up to 5200 to see what happens. Why does it take youtube to get the right info? You think Asus, corsair and others would release an FAQ stating this but no, let everyone think that 6000 mem can run at 6000 but platofrm max is 5200. Waste of time and money and mfg are still sticking it to most user with their marketing crap. Again THANK YOU ! ! ! am so relieved that I now understand why my expensive new PC was acting as it was. YOU ARE DAMAN!
I just returned 7800x3d asrock x670e and gskil neo trident 6000mhz because no matter what I couldnt make it run. Back to trusty never failed me intel 9900k old ddr4 tech. Oh well but I gave amd a chance for once in a 15 years of my last amd build at least
Sadly, if the limitations about supported memory configurations is true, It can make it very hard to have 128GB RAM. If you want to use a platform with future CPU generation, stability and decent speed with 4 RAM sticks (it would hard to buy the same kind later, makes sense to buy them now) and that seems to be a problem now. When how maximum RAM is advertised for a platform is different then the one mentioned "in the fine print" (outside of most ads) and the customer can run into problems, that can be a reason to lose any trust in the platform, and the manufacturer responsible for the issue. With the issues around replacing some X3D chips with each other, with how they want a full reinstall after some fixes, etc. I wouldn't consider AM5 as an acceptable choice.
@@yajnalgibno6536 I suggest to consider all other options, including Intel platforms, including Threadripper, etc. if you want reliability, good upgrade path, as with AM5 AMD lost its edge in that market...
Thank you for these videos. I was really close to buying an AM5 system, but this is really discouraging. I'll get a huge upgrade by going to AM4 from what I have now, so I'll stay away from the headache and go to AM5 later
Bought 2 x 2*16gb 6000mhz 30cl Learned the hard way 4 sticks 3600mhz 2 sticks was able to overclock to 6400mhz, later it didn't hold and went to 4800mhz. Now running few days at 6000mhz , feels stable Returned 2x16
WELL GLAD TO SEE DDR4 16X4GB SET BY CORSAIR IS EQUAL TO 4 STICK OF DDR5 IN TERMS OF 3600 SPEED. My freind said to upgrade my pc but their parents work in tech so they get most for free. In my case i have ryzen 5600x 64gb of corsair rgb sl and rtx 4060. Is this ok for some high setting in modern games? cyberpunk and such?
This lottery component should not be forced on the customer. These things should be tested before they ever leave the production facility. Asking the customer to spend their money on an item that may-or-may-not preform as advertised, should be illegal. Most home PC builds don't have a the budget to just keep rolling the dice. PC component manufacturers need to get their shit together. They all want us to pay a premium for what may end up being defective.
This just makes it look like AMD launched a beta version of AM5. When will AM5 support four sticks at the full rated speed? Will it support the full speed through bios updates or will it require a new motherboard? These are the important questions.
AM5 is a mess. another win handed over by AMD to Intel. Intel 13th gen never had these issues. Intel just makes reliable products that may be arguably slower (by an insignificant difference) but the peace of mind of having a system that has no issues just trumps the risk of going AM5.
*IMPORTANT I misspoke on the voltage when I was speaking about the QVL. QVL uses DRAM voltage. NOT SOC voltage. Do not change the DRAM voltage.
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Do you have a similar video for Intel? I'm considering a new build and I'd be really happy to find an in depth comparison of these same issues for intel as well.
Bro, it was your faulty selection of DRAM, you can only use Apacer DRAM (Apacer combines all the best DRAM parts together) if you want real stability, or the higher end DRAM of others. This is not an AMD issue, this is a DDR5 and shitty DRAM issue. You can only use DRAMs that are rock-solid with AMD systems, the reason behind this is, that Intel has "designed" DDR5, and this will also change, when AMD EXPO and DDR6 - sticks will come, they will be all AMD "designed". You have to understand, that the faster the shit gets, the harder are the limits and the narrower is the stability bandwith.
@@woodworkerroyer8497I’m working on some Intel videos right now actually. Stay tuned.
@@alevilikvealeviler well yeah I know that NOW. Almost a year later lol. Look at the publish date. This video is old. We have way better knowledge of this stuff now.
@@ErockOnTechhave u ever used amd systems, if yes,have u encountered any USB related issues?
Thank you for the info. I would recommend asking other manufacturers about stability issues, just because Asus is trying to do damage control right now.
“Title is not click bait” lol 😂. I’m glad that ASUS contacted you bro! That’s amazing! Best video yet thank you for keeping informed on everything! Really happy for you 🔥
DRAM Voltage at 1.35 is completely different from the SOC Voltage you referring to. Do some research despite the fact that you was about going on vacation because you touched a really sensitive matter for many people. So just to clarify 1.35v DRAM Voltage is completely safe as long as the RAM manufacturer specifies it as safe, HYNiX A-DIE is rated without a heatsink up to 1.43v as a completely safe value. SOC Voltage settings is another story for another day and the value is given from the motherboard manufacturer once you enable EXPO ,they need a Voltage value that will work for the masses, but you need to adress your mistake because that's misinformation territory. And Asus gave you all the bullshit excuses/explanations and let you think that those was actually useful informations. You missed the point that AMD and Asus both advertise higher speed DDR5 stuff and they are both responsible for what it's happening with the AM5 platform,each on their own wrong doing. Saying that anything above 5200mts consider it extra when they are advertising 6400mts in their qvl proved the point even further that Asus isn't serious or credible company these days.
Was gonna point out that but you already did it. Completely agree with you! I was gonna buy Asus B650E-F and build a system around it, but this whole thing made me reconsider and decided to wait for Ryzen 8000 (if they address the issues properly) and Intel 14th Gen.
Yeah I had the same rant. He's missed the actual issue. Dram volt is not the SOC which is the cpu melting issue. Under clock it. If you're really worried. I've seen some stable while OCd at 1.2V on the SOC.
@@ahmetdag1340 yeah. Just don't buy ASUS. Get something else!
Y even deal with all this? Power consumption? Idk man I'm on intel I'm no fanboy by far. I was gonna get a x3d chip. But after all this this I713700k and 7000mhz ram looking real good right now. No issues no bugs. Idk maybe next gen. I was lookin forward to it as well the x3d
@@KinGDGaminG63 I have 7800x3d, 6000CL30 memory and zero issues with it. This is all just small issue after new launch that thanks to massive PR Fail on Asus side got overblown. MSI x670E ACE or Carbon wifi if you dont min best but more costy board or B650 Tomahawk. Asrock is good alternative, but I would avoid Gigabyte, they seems to have even more technical issues with bios than Asus. I personaly wanted to go with ACE, but got x670E hero instead because of 4 slot space between PCI-E (have 3+ slot 7900xtx and need to use 2nd PCI-e slot time from time). As long as you get good memory kit with Hynix A-die you should be fine. AX5U6000C3032G-DCLARBK is one of good but cheap options.
Thank you for the clarification. Yes, I too fell into the AM4 delirium that AM5 should operate at Ram advertized speed. It's been driving me nutz! I used the G.Skill DDR5 RGB 4 sticks at 16 gb and was floored when I didn't get the usual "expected" speeds the boxes advertized. Removing 2 stick from Bank 1 and living with the new reality check. Thanks for the explaination. It all makes sense now!
Nice video and it's nice to see a dedicated knowledgeable person that's willing to help others. This is an old video but I must comment on the misinformation provided by the Asus tech. That happens from time to time. I upgraded to the AM5 platform in October of 2022 which is the month it debuted. It was indeed a pain, constant memory config/training issues and the performance was awful. Once I went from BIOS ver. 0512 to 0705 the performance drastically changed. I was always able to run 4 16gb sticks of GSkill Trident Z DDR5 6400mhz at full speed. BIOS ver. 0705 for the Asus X670E-A was installed on 10-24-2022. Whoever stated AM5 could not run more than 2 sticks of RAM at that time was misinformed. My only gripe with my AM5 system today in 2024 is that it boots slower than my Intel system due to the constant memory training.
We are now able to run faster memory at full speed which is a good thing. D.O.C.P or EXPO I'm witnessing AM5 run DDR5 @7800mhz.
Yes AMD has issued Agesa updates that allows for higher ram speeds in Gear 2. Thank you for the kind words and support.
1.3V is AMD supported SOC voltage, however voltages on QVL list are RAM voltages, those two are two different things.
Memory speed you can get depend heavily on memory chip and bios, motherboard quality, silicon lottery is true but its not biggest factor.
If you get good 6000MT/s kit with Hynix A-die you can run it on 6000 almost in every case out of box on EXPO1, With Hynix M-die maybe with further bios updates, but not right now.
It was same with 1st generation Ryzen, it worked well with Sansung B-die but hynix based memory kits had a lot of problems initialy.
Less stable over 32GB. Asus probably talking about Dual Rank modules which lower maximum stable frequency compared to single rank. (With DDR5 2x16GB should be considered single rank, though every DDR5 module is in reality dual rank, 2x32GB is Dual rank and runs little slower)
In my case I have 7800x3d on x670E Hero and using 2x32GB 6000CL30 Adata Lancer kit, its stable 6000MT/s at EXPO1 profile SOC on auto (1.243V on Hero MB) tried 1.2V manualy before bios updates and though i did not run stress test, only benchmarks, I had zero issues.
As for QVL, its realy only list of tested ram kits that were found stable by MB or Memory vendors, but it does not meen its 100% guarantee. Any Bios update can change it and also same memory kit made later or in different Fab can have different memory chip, its revison changed which can result in different results. (This was most annoing on DDR4 where you could get 3-5 different chips within same model of memory)
I'm looking at building on AM5. So your Asus board before the new BIOS update was stable and fine? No issues?
Do you know if it matters whether you go normal 7000 series or X3D? Is X3D less stable?
A SK Hynix made G Skill CL30 6000 ram kit would be perfectly fine?
You seem to know a bit so I thought id ask, especially as you have an Asus board and I'd like to go Asus.
@@danemyburgh 7800x3d is perfectly stable for me. As for mrmory kit, make sure its Hynix A-die for best results. I am not sure what chips Gskill using, but CL30 should be probably A-die. For myself I used Adata Lancer AX5U6000C3032G-DCLARBK As it was a lot cheaper than same from GSKIL or Corsair.
@Pavel Gajdik Thanks man! So your X670 Hero board has been fine? I know Asus has put out an updated bios. No signs of burnt motherboard socket or burnt CPU? I have bought the X670 Strix e-e motherboard so I'd like to know everything before I put it together. Cheers
@@danemyburgh No issues, with new bios SOC voltage stays around 1.247 and CPU is around 53 degrees when playing D4 right now (custom loop).
This is great info and will help people in the future about AM5. I will still plan on making my first build with AM4 so I'll be watching and seeing how this whole AM5 stuff unfolds and hopefully keeps improving. Good stuff, Erock, keep at it.
I'd completely skip this generation of MBs and CPUs. Too many problems and limitations.
It MIGHT be a bit better for Zen 5 but AMD has a lot of work to do especially with their interconnect because that's part of the problem. It was fine for Zen 2/3 because it was running a bit slower but now the current config is a liability. I mean the mem controller is on the IOD, so that's latency added to get data from memory to the cores. But NOW with the move to DDR5 and the mem clock has to run a lot faster, which is another problem because it means more power consumption which is what the limiting factor is for AMD and 4 memory sticks (13900K with Z790 has been pushed to 7200 mt/s with 4 sticks but it sucks power), it also means the infinity fabric has to run a lot faster to move data from the IOD to the CCDs and THAT takes more power.
So what was once good for Zen 2/3 using 500 series MBs and DDR4 memory and PCIe gen4 is no longer good for Zen 4 using 600 series MBs and DDR5 memory and PCIe gen5. AMD needs a different interconnect.
you are working extremely hard, make sure people know what's up or else they will take this info for granted
Cool they reached out to you! Good info and thanks for sharing.
Thank you!
You're mixing the voltages :) DRAM voltage and SOC voltage is two different things. The voltage listed in QVL is the voltage for the DRAM,
We just can’t ask too much from the general users. I didn’t even know what is VSOC before I bought the AM5 platform. We should stop the trend blaming that it is just user errors.
Yes that is right blaming users for a manufacturer mistake is unreasonable. Most people run their systems on default settings.
@@kelvinjinxd I know, as a regular consumer this stuff should be plug and play. Tech gets more and more complicated and we're all beta testers sadly.
@@markgutierez9922 There's a general rule to follow, don't be an early adopter. It applies to alot of games these days and cars for that matter. If you're not comfortable messing around in BIOS etc wait 6 months, maybe a year. Do research. It shouldn't be like this but it is and it has been for a long time.
@@tmkongen Yep. I believe this was also the case with AM4. There's something to be said for buying discounted end of life platforms like AM4 with a 5800X3D. No hassle, great performance for the money. Rinse and repeat.
Thanks, answers both my issues and some questions I've had with my AM5 platform 😀
Awesome! I’m happy this helped!
Another great informative video my guy. I greatly appreciate it! I'm just waiting for MSI to post an updated (non beta version) bios for the B650 Tomahawk Wifi so I can flash it and start my build. I've got the G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo 32GB 6000MHZ CL30 kit. If I run into any issues and instabilities while stress testing my build then I'll go with a 5200MHZ kit instead. Your killing it with the content man, keep it up!
Thank you! I really appreciate it! Yeah MSI is dragging their feet. But I’m on the latest non beta bios for my motherboard. The Soc voltage is as expected. But I have a b650 edge wifi motherboard.
Very helpful video , I got crazy trying to get higher than 4800mhz with 4 sticks . Waiting next gen am5 to update
I ain't mad at ASUS just disappointed. At least we still got AM4.
I agree.
Great video. I really want to see updated benchmarks to represent the recommended settings. I feel like amd bamboozled people with the fps numbers in the marketing and after all this I bet they are pretty different.
Yup, agreed!
I've been pretty lucky on the lottery with my system so far, had no problem getting my memory to sit at 6000, my SOC has been at 1.27 for as long as I can remember though I did update the bios to be on the safe side. It's been running 24-7 for up to a week at a time, and the only reason I shut it down then is for the weekly cleaning/dusting. Had some minor issues early on with the rgb lighting, but it seems like that's all been sorted out as well.
Ryzen Master has an easy to use Curve Optimizer, it does per core optimization, and when it's stable it copies the values to your motherboard bios if you have PBO enabled. It's really easy, Curve Optimizer is great, lower temps and higher boost clocks.
My 7600X could not run 6000 CL30 on my Z5 Neo EXPO kit without errors. Same kit, 7800X3D upgrade, works like a charm. 😕
Sad to hear all of these AM5 insights. Thanks for sharing.
Looks like I will be keeping my AM4 platform... just bought a second pair of ddr4 Viper b-die, no issue with that😂
AM4 is rock solid!
@@ErockOnTech By now, AM4 is fit for gaming as the ryzen 5000 cpus are excellent. With older generations you always had to take care not over buying on the gpu, as the cpus couldn't keep up. The cpu upgrade game was disappointing most of the times.
You can get 6000 mhz stable with additional dram voltage. DDR5 can easily handle additional voltage without degradation. You just have to watch memory temperatures when testing. XMP or EXPO is an overclock in itself.
@@techluvin7691 You are correct. For the average user, tinkering with voltages may be a bit much for them. But technically, you’re correct.
My amazement was when you said "sorry for this video not being polished" and then delivered a very polished video lol Great content!
Lol 😂 thank you!
Great work here! thank you for providing a opportunity for us to know things industry insider would want to clarify.
Duuude excellent video I'm so glad I found your channel I appreciate your honesty and professionalism in your content. Your an asset to pc hardware users gamers enthusiasts like us I really enjoy and look forward to more content on this issue much respect ErockOnDeck!!!💯💯
Thank you so much! I really appreciate the kind words! Very kind of you!
The MSI QVL has 6000mhz kits on it. So the MB vendors are rating/tested it to run that way. It's not just the AMD understating the speeds.
AMD is just putting limits that should work stable for any CPU and memory module combination, if they put it higher and someone get cPU that does not work on such speeds, there would be another massive outcry.
I'd hazard a guess that the footnote about ram stability above 32GB (2x16GB) might additionally be related to single rank vs. dual rank 64GB (ie 2x32GB) ram putting more load on the memory controller.
Surely this will be patched out with a BIOS update eventually, right?
You are correct. I met with the Asus rep again. He verified this exact statement you made.
Thank you, very well done. Finally, a genuinely usable information video on this essential item.
Great video. The - SABRENT Rocket DDR5 128GB U-DIMM 4800MHz Memory Kit (4x32GB) for Desktops and PCs (SB-DR5U-32GX4) & A-Tech 128GB (4x32GB) DDR5 4800 MHz UDIMM PC5-38400 CL40 DIMM 288-Pin 2Rx8 1.1V Desktop RAM Memory Modules. As far as I know - right now these are the only 2 : 4 x 32 gb ( 128 gb ) memory kits for DDR5. Both have very similar specifications. The SABRENT kit is currently selling for $ 1,499.99 at Amazon and the A-Tech kit is selling for $509.19 at Amazon. As for if the SABRENT kit at almost 3x the cost of the A-Tech kit is worth the cost vs the A-Tech kit. Neither kit is an AMD EXPO certified kit - but I would assume if ran at the default speed the memory kits should work on an AMD AM5 system.
I’ve accidentally came across your channel and I love it! Thank you for the detailed info on pretty much everything! One question, I am aware of all the issues with Asus and Am5 platforms, but I really want to build a new pc including the 7800x3d, would you consider that foolish?
not at all. but not checking qvl, bios update, ram support, mb support, not knowing the difference between ram voltage and cpu voltage, and then on top of that start playing with overclocking, even if you don't know anything about it - that would be foolish.
Foolish if you dont put this motherboards:
A620
X670E
X670
B650E
B650
And this ram DDR5-5200
. I put an a620m . issue. Put an x670e no issue.
Put 6000mhz ram issue. Put an 5200 mhz no issue
Thanks for these videos on AM5, I subbed earlier today! They've been so useful as its kinda hard to find any reliable info on AM5, keep it up!
I’m running 4 sticks of 16 of DDR5. When I had 2 sticks and I was able to get to the 6000 mhz as advertised. The moment I added 4 sticks, it would just give me a POST error. I was only able to get it to run at 5600mhz with 4 sticks, but still that’s pretty darn good.
A big mistake was not to address the DDR 5 RAM as a single stick option which unlike DDR 4 is a very viable option. Ran a few tests myself with 2 x 16 vs 1 x 32 and the results were equal except for the 1% low, in most cases I did not notice a difference when gaming. A single stick of DDR 5 works in dual channel by itself and is extremely stable at manufacturer specified ram speeds, running 2 sticks of 16 gb gave me a few instability issues with EXPO on ... but that could be due to other factors I didn´t have time to test.
I only had 3 systems to test, so my results are in no way able to conform a baseline apart from the single stick ram option.
The other mistake is to think that boards run the RAM and SOC voltage in sync, they don´t.
Good point, all ddr5 is dual channel, and 1 x 32gb should be dual rank with ddr5, so yeah it should be pretty darn close to 2x16.
2 sticks of ddr5 dual rank memory is where a lot of instabilities have been found. Just get an extra 1 or 3 dummy sticks if you're worried about aesthetics
Thank you. I got my system is responsible. Looking forward to the next adventure.
Fantastic video. Especially the part about only 2 memory sticks supported not 4 memory sticks.
Duuuudde, thaank you so much for this eye-opener video. I was excited for AM5 but I guess I will wait a little more.
okay, what about mini ITX AM5 only have 2 slot RAM basically can run 5200mhz right? on my r7 7800x3d that I wan't to build?
thx for explanation I'm alone also miss this information from AMD... well for my self should aware what AMD 7000 series capable of
instead blame motherboard anyway.
Yes that’s correct.
I bought my 7950x and TUF gaming X670-E board at launch, with 2 seperate kits of Kingston Fury Beast 6000mhz DDR5 to run quad channel Ram, without realising it worked a bit differently to DDR4 and AM4.
Had a few stability issues and couldn't get a POST with EXPO enabled at 6000mhz, then eventually out of the blue I amazingly managed to get the system stable with 4 sticks running at 6000mhz, no blue screens or crashes etc and stable in memory tests.
Was stable for at least 3 months.
Then all of a sudden after a power cut the machine would no longer boot at that speed at all with 4 sticks, 2 sticks works perfectly fine at 6000mhz, all day, power off and on etc.
I wanted 4 mainly for aesthetic reasons but I now plan on selling my 4x 16gb sticks and switching to a 2 x 32gb kit.
My own fault really for not doing the research before purchasing you are so right that not enough people are talking about this, and AMD and all the M/B manufacturers should make it a lot clearer to potential buyers as this has never been a thing on DDR3/4 in the past.
Great video, subbed and thank you for shedding more light on this subject
Asus contacted you? Channel is growing my dude.
Thank you very much for the video. I recently built a new PC with a Ryzen 7 7800x3D and RTX 4070 Ti. I bought a 32GB memory kit with a frequency of 6000 MHz and I tried for a long time to understand why it did not work for me at this frequency. It's just that the computer did not boot into Windows and it gave me the text "The system has posted in safe mode". Thanks to your video, I just realized that the matter is in the speed declared by AMD for my processor, just 5200 MHz. I set this speed manually, but through the XMP profile and the system started working right away, booting into Windows without any problems. Thanks again
Mine says 1.25 on the CPU soc . With 6000 DDR 5 cl 30.
But here is the thing .. I heard running soc even if it's a small overclock degrades the controller over time .
Now here is the funny thing ... For all CPUs ram speed tends to matter ..
But when you have an x3d cpu .. I have tested and tested and tested multiple times ( other outlets as well ) that running your memory higher than stock is pointless for gaming on a 7800x3d.. I have not noticed any frame difference .
Maybe in the next video you can see for yourself if this is true...
And if u see what I am seeing ... There is no point to even running overclocked memory ... Just run it at default and forget about it until proven otherwise.
( I have a 7800x3d ) as well
Hey, new here but I’d like to talk about my experience.
I know I am late to this video but I didn’t have the necessity to be looking for it since I had an all in one pc, but since my new am5 build I had a few problems because I was not careful enough.
When I first finished the build it was working fine but in the span of 3 weeks or so it started showing the first problems, and all because I was not being careful enough with the ram sticks as you said in this video.
First thing I began checking after the build was complete were the temps, but they were fine, going up to 60-62 degrees on the latest games, problems began when I decided it was time to overclock the ram not knowing it would cause me some problems…
So, just because I read on the ram packaging that it was a 6000Mt/s I thought it needed to work at its full potential but I was so wrong, all because I didn’t read the section about the 2 ddr5 ram sticks working at the intended speed such as 5200Mt/s.
So after activating the amd expo setting for the rams and overclocking them, my setup worked fine until one day the blue screen of death showed up displaying the error code “MEMORY-MANAGEMENT” and that’s when the panic began.
After a couple of restarts and some researches later I had found that the culprit could have been the amd adrenaline software not being up to date, so after it’s update the setup began working normally again, but not all panic had settled,
In fact, after 2 weeks or less I started having problems again, such as having to wait a lot more for the pc to boot into windows, and sometimes restarting during the boot, but those problems seem to have been related to the ram being too high in frequency apparently (ryzen 7800x3d with 2 sticks of viper venom ddr5 ram overclocked from the basic 4200Mt to the 6000Mt).
This problem was settled once and for all when , after a gaming session I decided to turn off the pc and after trying to reboot it, it wouldn’t turn on and on the mobo (MSI B650 GAMING PLUS WI-FI) the ez debug lights turned on(more specifically the dram light and consequently the cpu led).
After carrying my setup to a local help center and trying to boot it with new 4200 Mt ram sticks it magically booted up.
I’m sorry if whoever is reading this didn’t understand something but as an Italian I’m trying my best lol
Thanks for the video even tho I’m late :)
you're becoming famous! , i'm glad your channel is growing.
I bought MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI with 2x16GB 6000Mhz RAM and I wanted to uprade it to 4x16GB but I was worrying that it wouldn't work but it did, no issue running 4x16GB with same 6000 Mhz speed. MSI is pretty stable with memory, I had previously Gigabite Z390 elite I had constant issue with RAM when I was always booting pc.
Built 3 AM5 Gigabyte x670 and no issues.
Bought a used 7600x/Asus b650e-e ROG for $240. Stock bios had 7600x idle at 1.440v in bios and temps creeping up to 63c with stealth cooler. Even after latest bios I still had to use CO negative 30 and manual 1.25v on VDDIO/MC. It seems stable but I don’t trust this board for my 7800x3D and will likely keep it in a very light use media pc role with the 7600x. Sad it’s a premium $350 b650 but until I can prove it’s stable and safe voltage wise I don’t plan to use it in primary role.
This video series is a year old now. A lot has changed. A lot of improvements have been made. I’m working on a follow up video to this.
@@ErockOnTech A summary section or chapter for exactly which specs were overvolting and what is now fixed in the latest BIOS would be very helpful to be able to check my own board against.
I have an extra case and power supply so I plan to just temporarily put that combo together and can double check voltages and temps.
Just FYI, I think the "6000 mhz" is supposed to be "6000 MT/s." I've been out of the game awhile, but it looks like memory is moving away from mhz / ghz nomenclature to show transfer rates (MegaTransfers per second) instead of frequency.
Yeah they are moving away from the mhz nomenclature, it wasn't ever really accurate to begin with lol.
There's a reason Mindfactory, the biggest computer retailer in Germany, does not stock any Asus products. You should ask your Asus contact about this....
I thought the video was a little confusing for people to understand. It is ok to run the RAM at the stated voltage for example, VDD = 1.35v, VDDQ = 1.35v. This is the voltage going to the RAM and is not the SOC voltage. It looks like AMD are now wanting people to not run the SOC voltage past 1.3v. This means the memory controller on the CPU may not work with the 6000Mhz RAM at 1.3v for the SOC. Also the motherboard SOC voltage on my x670e master runs about 0.05v higher than the actual CPU_VDDR_SOC. You need to be careful which values you are using or you may not be getting the most out of the system. For me I will not be updating the BIOS as I want to be able to adjust all the settings if required. When people purchsed their £300 Gskill 6000Mhz CL30 32gb RAM in my case this was because AMD said this was the sweet spot for the new system. For AMD now to limit the SOC voltage which your RAM now my not work with is not on. Why do people push high SOC voltage in the first place, because the system is not stable otherwise. I suspect the motherboard manufacturers know this including ASUS. My x670e at 1.25v SOC loads into windows but the 4090 GPU defaults to pcie3 mode. The GPU core is set to a low speed and the RAM speed also doesnt change, almost like the gpu is in a safe mode. Just because you get to windows the system performs poorly. These were my early issues with this new system. The only worse system I have had at the start was the NVIDIA 680i SLI chipset on the motherboard. The issue 1 of this board was the pitts. Even though this is a new system people have paid alot of money for it. Do we expect a few issues with a new system, Yes, but not for the system to catch fire or not run at the stated sweet spot speed that AMD tested and gave you performance figures for. Just my 2 pence worth.
Even the newest Intel processors are only rated at running DDR5 at 4000Mhz when using 4 RAM sticks.
Good to know!
Saw your "Before you buy AM5" and "AM5 has problems" then this video. Was considering buying a 5700x then thought heck why not a 7600x which was my initial choice but hesitant due to the temp and price complaints. Upgrading from an X79 system, I guess I am heavily leaning onto AM4 now since I don't want to pay an early adopter's tax, plus being a beta tester as this video has mentioned. The 200+ dollars more price of the AM5 versus the AM4 system probably isn't worth it for me. Thank you for guiding me to make the right decision. But I'll watch more videos before I pull the trigger.
What did you buy?
@@AmirAl-Haque oh wow totally forgot this comment, but I ended up with a 5700x and it has been awesome. A few months after that from an RX470 I upgraded to a 7800XT a friend sold to me for 89usd after giving me a free 1000w asus rog gold psu. He's a friend I build PC's for. No regrets with the Ryzen 7, 4.8ghz single core and all cores hitting between 4.5 to 4.65, what's there to not like?
I werent clear on the big difference when using 4 sticks vs 2 sticks. One can only hope that AMD will make a better memory controller for the next generation of AM5 CPU's.I did know that there is a difference when comparing to Intel 13 gen which can surpass the 7000mhz, but also that the extra price for Ram that can go this high really don't benefit Intel that much, as you should believe Intel would have a big advantage being able to run the memory at 20-25% higher speed which isn't the overall case, especially not with gaming where 3D Vcache in many cases just is a better solution especially for those 1%low numbers which means overall smoother fps even the 13900K has some clear wins in max fps.
This is why I laugh when people say Intel is on a dead platform. Intel 12, 13 and 14 Gen CPU’s are modern and relevant processors. When Zen 5 launches it will benefit greatly from new motherboards that have superior memory controls and better ram speed and stability. This will make all the people that use the dead platform argument look like goofy clowns. Because it will be incredibly beneficial to buy a new motherboard for Zen 5.
I'm done with XMP, sometimes the computers I built will run XMP well for a while, but eventually it will not boot properly until I disable it.
I understand it completely.
There are a few ways to avoid the soc voltage going up. some people manual tweak it in bios which is a hassle to be honest. For me when all this issue started I just downgraded to a 5600 ram and it ran at 1.24v and has been really stable. I know they already release a stable bios but I’ll wait it out a few more weeks to a month or so before updating it and going back up to 6000. Good video overall and very informative for those who are still not sure what to do or what’s really happening.
It's the same with the FX series people who bought into it got screwed it was badly managed but you kept rolling with it.
AMD's 5000 Series is most likely their greatest achievement.
I’m sure all the kinks will be ironed out in the coming year or two. But yeah, early adopters have it rough.
@@ErockOnTech By the end of the Life-Cycle that is when you see them perform ,It's almost a mirror as to what Ryzen started out to be it took them 3 refreshes to get anywhere near intel in the gaming segment.
I'm a long time AMD supporter but i use Intel as well, I just see Intel as the for sure buy these days.
AMD fx series like FX 8350 cpu. then you also had more memory speed limitation with 4 memory chips than you had with 2 pcs. if I remember correctly. correct me if i'm wrong. 4 memory chips stress the memory controller more. I experienced broken memory controller on fx8350. don't know how this is with AM5?
@@tommypearson9260 I may be going Intel on my next upgrade.
I'd be curious to see how those different RAM speeds affect performance.
I have a video on it. It’s video number 4 in this video series. It’s called best optimized settings for AM5.
Very informative video. I have a gskill memory DDR5-6000 32GB that is listed on the QVL list for my Asus Motherboard and it's not stable when I have EXPO enabled.
My 7900X / Asus Strix X670E Gaming is running 4 sticks of 16GB G.Skill ddr5, total 64GB. Running EXPO 2 @6000Mhz. Odd thing is Infinity Fabric is @ 2100 though
I knew none of this, lol. Ignorance is bliss sometimes. Thank you for the info.
thanks. I was looking on others channels and I was confused which voltage should be under 1.3V... You show clearly that CPU Core can be 1.4V and the CPU SoC is the one to be under 1.3V... I had run a 7700X with an ASUS TUF B650M with out dated bios for some weeks.. I hope everything did ok. Now I updated BIOS and with your video I can relax.
I'm so behind the curve lmao. I just built a 7800x3d system and have been trying to get 4 sticks of ram @6000m/ts to work for like 3 days. I think it can work now, it's just a pain in the ass and I don't know enough about manual timings.
What a nice channel. I just came across this video. Thank you
Thank you 🙏
Great video.I put 2x16 kingstone cl 32 6000mhz ram in b650m pg riptide i put xmp and pc works.But there is problem with boot speed my am4 platform boot in 10 seconds but am5 somwhere 45seconds becuse of ram treining.I downwolted becuse there is problem woth power cpnsaption i tested temperatures are great for testing i used cinabench 2024 and 3dmark advance (cpu temps where 75) my cooler is ak650.Sorry for bad english.Tnx and big hello from Serbia
Thats because you need to overclock the memory controller by increasing the clock speed to allow higher speed in 4 channel. By default setting is limited by cpu original setting.
Thanks you saved me two days of headache
It's hard to believe that the failure to be able to use 4 sticks of dram, in a mb with 4 dram sockets, is now considered a "feature". I'm really glad I stuck with a 1700 socket build a couple of weeks ago.
We understand that all new platforms will have problems but the way Asus went with customers. They tried to blame the part of the fault to someone else and screwed customers by not providing warranty for their own MB's but it backfired on them. After they got caught or everything blew up on the internet, Now they are sorry....
Yeah I called out Asus in my last video. So did Gamers Nexus. Asus has reverted their previous position and will now honor all RMA requests regardless of beta bios or not. This is an official statement they released.
Amazing video. Thanks for explaining this in more detail for us.
Thank you! Happy to help!
9:14 isn't this column the RAM voltage and not the CPU SOC voltage? Motherboard vendors only capped the SOC voltage, not the RAM voltage. I picked a random kit from that list - FF4D532G6200HC38ADC01 and the voltage of 1.25V in that list matches the rated voltage that this kit runs at with XMP enabled - 1.25V.
You may be correct. But when I was looking into it last night, I saw something that suggested it was soc. But if I’m wrong, then I apologize.
Thanks for the info. I'm running ram at 6000 stable
Wow that info was very informative, explains why i can run 6000MHz on my 7950X.
So you are getting 6000 mhz?
@@ErockOnTech Yeah on 32gb of ram. Mind you its actually Xmp ram for Intel....😅 Silicon lottory???
@@streetssss yes I guess so.
I had read that there are QVLs for motherboards and that ASUS has zero 4 stick configs supported, and MSI does have a 4 stick QVL. No one uses the rated CPU spec limit for RAM, most use XMP.
I told you if you stayed the course it'd blow up lol... now look at major AIBs calling you. Congrats bro!
Haha thanks man!!
I know all the information you provided but it was still a good video. For me and many others the new ASUS 1616 BIOS blue screens our PC's. I did a fresh windows install and I could not even go into my bios without my PC freezing. For over a day I tried default bios settings and I could boot into the PC than it would blue screen and it even green screened a couple times when i did get into bios to adjust my soc to 1.25 and adjust my fan curve. So I reverted back to 1413 and my PC runs great with all my previous BIOS settings. Many people on REDDIT have issues like me with the latest bios 1616 and you cant even enter bios settings that worked previously for you on previous bios. ASUS STRIX B650E-I.
EXCELLENT! Very informative. Concise. Good reference material. A+.
Starting 11:17, 32gb per stick or 32gb total?
32 gb total is fine. Anything less is fine. When you exceed 32 gb total, that is when the system can start to become less stable. This was my understanding from talking with the rep.
Yes, but most of the youtubers do not explain that the RAM is not working when using an x4 stick nor that 6000Mhz is OC and some CPU will no to work because of the silicon lottery. They all are guilty of misinforming the users. A lot of users don´t know that physical limitations is greater that BIOS optimizations or hardware design.
Thank you!! Excellent comment. You are completely correct!.
4 sticks or ram work, but usually on much lower frequency, 4800MT/s if you are lucky, it depend on capacity (32GB dualrank sticks are harder to drive) and ofcourse memory chips, if its Hynix A, Hynix M, Aamsung or Micron (Hynix-A have best results). And btw same problem is on Intel as well.
And this not something new, same was with DDR2,3 and 4. If you check QVL there are not many 4stick modules listed and they top on 4800.
@@pavelgajdik7486 Totally agree. But the problem is nobody reads today.
The number on the box for "gamer" RAM has never been an official spec. It's just what they managed to clock it up to in their test systems during the binning process (while keeping the voltage reasonable). They are all OC numbers.
My AM5 system randomly restarts and I can't find an obvious thing that triggers it. I could be web browsing / Gaming, or just leaving the machine alone. Replacing RAM tomorrow, but beyond that I can't work out what is happening, even with default bios setting i have the same problem
Great content. Well informed and no bullshit. Keep going.
Actually, it appears to be BS supplied by Asus.
Thank you!
This problem really isn't on ASUS, it's on AMD. The fact that an AMD CPU burned up (watch the GN videos) isn't ON ASUS! That's a failure of the AMD circuit protection which in part DOES rely on voltage controls on the MB, but STILL, when heat hit a certain point the AGESA on the firmware in the CPU should have throttled ALL the different buses down to drop temps across the entire SoC and that failed to happen. I'm not saying ASUS has no blame here, but I think after all this is sorted out, and why ASUS was so quick to put out an updated BIOS is AMD's fault because THEY pushed out an AGESA that APPARENTLY FAILED!
Protection for the MB is the responsibility of the board maker. Protection for the CPU is the responsibility of the CPU maker. BOTH are supposed to have protection so components don't fry. But since the CPU can keep asking for more power, and it's the LOAD, the the LOAD pulls power from the SOURCE, AMD failed to protect the CPU in a high power situation. And it really doesn't matter that the MB was pumping voltage that was a little higher than what it was supposed to be. The CPU should have dealt with that because heat would have been higher.
Bro, it was your faulty selection of DRAM, you can only use Apacer DRAM (Apacer combines all the best DRAM parts together) if you want real stability, or the higher end DRAM of others. This is not an AMD issue, this is a DDR5 and shitty DRAM issue. You can only use DRAMs that are rock-solid with AMD systems, the reason behind this is, that Intel has "designed" DDR5, and this will also change, when AMD EXPO and DDR6 - sticks will come, they will be all AMD "designed". You have to understand, that the faster the shit gets, the harder are the limits and the narrower is the stability bandwith.
Please, would you get me a link which Apacer DDR5, I'm planning to switch to AM5 7800x3d very soon, for gaming only?
Waaaaay back in the old days, Asus had an automated overclock & stress test. The system would tweak voltages and frequencies and reboot and test several times. Sure would be nice if they brought that back.
Pay developers for useful features? Heresy! How dare you suggest such a thing! lol
I wish, I had seen this video earlier. I just bought 4 sticks of DDR5 - 6000 and guess what? I simply could not get it to post with Expo. 😅😅
I guess my question is is it SAFE to run a DDR5 kit rated for 6000 mhz? Ignoring overclocking and getting the rated speed, but is it SAFE? (Ryzen 7000)
I'm running 4 sticks of Corsair DDR5 at 6000MHZ on my ASUS X670E Hero 7950X with ZERO issues. EXPO enabled.
That is fantastic! You truly have some excellent silicon.
I built my nephews AM5 system and put 4 x 8gb Trident z neo @6000mhz. It runs perfectly..
That’s fantastic. I don’t have 4 sticks to test myself. I know Jay confirmed he couldn’t run 4 sticks at full speed and neither could his editor. Again, as stated in the video, this is why we have so many conflicting reports. He reported no. You report yes. What’s the difference? Silicon lottery and memory controllers.
I think I’ll just wait for am6
yes Or Intel arrow lake 15900K if they reduce a bit the power usage.
Ima gonna stay on the Bios I’m on, I wanna wait a little longer before updating bc I still feel like Asus did a Blanket fix on this
Hey if your bios is working fine, then yeah just leave it.
Which bios are you using? I have issues with the last
WOW ,dude you are the man. Thanks for putting this vieo out. I too assumed that I could run the corsair vql ram at 6000, no can do. Got it to run and 5600 with memtest86 ok so I though I was good, but no. Still very intermittend crashes. Lowered it to 4800 and it's stable I figured it's not worth the hassle and left it. I missed the 5200 max spec on AMD's web site.I'll crank it up to 5200 to see what happens. Why does it take youtube to get the right info? You think Asus, corsair and others would release an FAQ stating this but no, let everyone think that 6000 mem can run at 6000 but platofrm max is 5200. Waste of time and money and mfg are still sticking it to most user with their marketing crap. Again THANK YOU ! ! ! am so relieved that I now understand why my expensive new PC was acting as it was. YOU ARE DAMAN!
Anything over JEDEC standard is overclocking. The memory manufacturers and makers really should make it clearer to the average consumer.
I just returned 7800x3d asrock x670e and gskil neo trident 6000mhz because no matter what I couldnt make it run. Back to trusty never failed me intel 9900k old ddr4 tech. Oh well but I gave amd a chance for once in a 15 years of my last amd build at least
Sadly, if the limitations about supported memory configurations is true, It can make it very hard to have 128GB RAM. If you want to use a platform with future CPU generation, stability and decent speed with 4 RAM sticks (it would hard to buy the same kind later, makes sense to buy them now) and that seems to be a problem now. When how maximum RAM is advertised for a platform is different then the one mentioned "in the fine print" (outside of most ads) and the customer can run into problems, that can be a reason to lose any trust in the platform, and the manufacturer responsible for the issue. With the issues around replacing some X3D chips with each other, with how they want a full reinstall after some fixes, etc. I wouldn't consider AM5 as an acceptable choice.
Bro are you suggesting to skip AM5 and wait for AM6?? coz Golly!!! I would be pissed off coz this AM5 platform would still be supported until 2025
@@yajnalgibno6536 I suggest to consider all other options, including Intel platforms, including Threadripper, etc. if you want reliability, good upgrade path, as with AM5 AMD lost its edge in that market...
Thank you for these videos. I was really close to buying an AM5 system, but this is really discouraging. I'll get a huge upgrade by going to AM4 from what I have now, so I'll stay away from the headache and go to AM5 later
I’m happy you found these videos helpful!
Bought 2 x 2*16gb 6000mhz 30cl
Learned the hard way
4 sticks 3600mhz
2 sticks was able to overclock to 6400mhz, later it didn't hold and went to 4800mhz. Now running few days at 6000mhz , feels stable
Returned 2x16
After listening these things, i better wait for next gen ryzen cpu, maybe better motherboard and chipsets will release
WELL GLAD TO SEE DDR4 16X4GB SET BY CORSAIR IS EQUAL TO 4 STICK OF DDR5 IN TERMS OF 3600 SPEED. My freind said to upgrade my pc but their parents work in tech so they get most for free. In my case i have ryzen 5600x 64gb of corsair rgb sl and rtx 4060. Is this ok for some high setting in modern games? cyberpunk and such?
This lottery component should not be forced on the customer. These things should be tested before they ever leave the production facility. Asking the customer to spend their money on an item that may-or-may-not preform as advertised, should be illegal. Most home PC builds don't have a the budget to just keep rolling the dice. PC component manufacturers need to get their shit together. They all want us to pay a premium for what may end up being defective.
I've been running a set of g.skill trident z5 rgb 32x2GB 6400 at full speed in my 7950x build that has an asus x670e crosshair extreme lol
This just makes it look like AMD launched a beta version of AM5.
When will AM5 support four sticks at the full rated speed?
Will it support the full speed through bios updates or will it require a new motherboard?
These are the important questions.
Sooo... can I pull the trigger on AM5 now?
I have the same question. I'm building a new rig. After all I have seen I'm probably going with a stable 13th gen intel cpu.
@@nosupes929 Just built my rig and I gotta say it's been super easy and smooth
What about 4 slot 2 channel boards with on stick in each channel?
This is a very good video. Thank you!
Thank you! I appreciate it!
AM5 is a mess. another win handed over by AMD to Intel. Intel 13th gen never had these issues. Intel just makes reliable products that may be arguably slower (by an insignificant difference) but the peace of mind of having a system that has no issues just trumps the risk of going AM5.
BTW enjoy your vacation and time with fam!