I own all m12 tools but ended up buying the Bosch brushless installation tool. I want the smallest, lightest weight too for work around the house. I grab the bosch 80% of the time to do most jobs. My m12 hammer drill and impact driver get used 20% of the time. Hopefully the 2nd gen m12 installation driver will be like this European design except smaller, no hammer, and lighter.
The FPDX is a great home owner all-in-one solution. I like the form factor of the US variant better, plus the magnetic D-handle is very handy. But having a hammer function for mounting anchors in brick and concrete makes the FPDX the only drill most people would ever need. Plus the speed of drilling a pilot hole and having a drill bit in the hex underneath is faster than having another drill on hand.
What the heck Milwaukee??? Why??? Why is this not in the USA? It’s like a German who works for Milwaukee saw the USA version and was like NOPE! And built arguably a better driver overall. Personally I’d love for Milwaukee to take the best parts from new M12 fuel drill, the USA driver, and the German driver, and combine them into one awesome installation driver. I’m sure it can be done.
I think that Milwaukee decided that the hammer drill function was better suited for use in brick buildings more common in Europe, and so they launched it first there. Later, they developed the smaller Festool style drill and saw no need to launch this bulkier one in North America.
I did know this until today, but the Bosch has an SDS plus rotary hammer attachment. I wonder how good the performance could be at 12V, but perhaps better than a hammer drill function due to rotary hammer design.
So In Russia they have one like this but on the old brushed drill set up M12 BDDX 202C and have a different attachment style so they have try 3 different styles
Thanks again for both installation driver tests. I took a look at the import milwaukee back when shopping for an installation driver, but for me, the higher price, lack of US warranty, higher weight and lack of a dedicated locking hex chuck turned me off of it. I've been very happy with the dewalt.
Can you also try to test the bosch profactor drill the GSB 18V 1330c which supposed to have most torque than other brand plus the motor is a powerhouse. Thanks
FPDX looks like a 2504 drill (prev. gen) with an attachment interface/head on it. Actual performance is not far off either, so I'm guessing that's more or less what it is.
Thanks! The EU version tempted me. It looks great. Until you actually compare its size. Then you realize that a large installation driver is kinda pointless.
Interesting look at an uncommon tool for us here in the US. I don't think I saw your Install Driver comparison video?? But I've been looking at them since TTC's Formula 1 pit tool video the other day. I'd been wanting a drill as an install driver for garage work, just for sake of having the torque-limiting clutch, but these seem like a really nice, lightweight alternative to a classic drill. And yeah, I think I agree that I'd pick the Dewalt kit, though I do really admire how tiny the Bosch tools are. On another note, I really wish the attachment mechanisms were standardized between brands. I'd really prefer to mix and match to get the best of each, whether for the more compact design, or more robust. Same for batteries using maybe two standard connections and electronic standards. Ah well, wishful thinking.
Yeah I wish the attachments were standardized. Lol don’t feel bad, I have done the same thing. Watched a video the other day YT says I watched but I don’t remember doing so.
Thing looks like a little beast. Glad the attachment housings are plastic on US version, with the exception of the jacobs. I don't like risking a scratch on other trade's finished work. The US zipper bag is already useless to me, so this case would be the same and probably take up too much storage space.
I’ll stick with both Bosch install drivers! But if I get the need to start putting on lug nuts with a install driver, then I’ll possibly pick up the Euro M12 or Default 12v.
I almost bought this a few weeks ago. But what stopped me was how old it is and as soon as I got it in my hands, good chance Milwaukee would introduce a gen 3 variant.
Europe got cooler packout boxes, toughsystem 3 drawer around for a long time only recently came here, this tool, if im not mistaken theres an improved m12 raptor copper tube cutter, powerstack was there first and im sure there is more. They jus better then us i guess lol o yea then there is Japanese hikoki and makita stuff although that may not be available to Europe either but jus mentioning not north America
Interesting, seems like Europe gets better grade power tools. Makita also does this with their made in Japan impact drivers. Their internals are different that the HD china ones that we get here.
I personally like the U.S version or the festool/Milwaukee. I own so many drills and impacts that I just don’t need to use my installation driver in a situation that require a lot of power. And honestly that’s not what they’re intended for.
Seems to have just as many "what were they thinking" design decisions. At least it doesn't have the uncomfortable and fat bulbous grip the more common one has. Only Milwaukee tool I ever returned. I know in theory you are supposed to hold it differently but regardless, an installation driver should be like a scalpel , not a sledge.
Makes little sense to have a long installation driver like that. That 1/2 inch chuck and hammer drill function adds limited utility for the type of tool, at a significant cost of length. These are meant to get into tight spaces and for light duty task. Perhaps this could make sense for a homeowner who doesn't want to own any other drill.
That being said, I also don't like the current m12 installation driver either, but mostly due to ergonomics (direction switch, knuckle guard, grip). Maybe the next gen will combine the two features
They still screwed up the offset attachment.. No locking collar But they got the forward and reverse right I like the USA version better They just gotta fix the F~R switch (move it to the normal position by the trigger) and the offset attachment needs a locking collar. I had the USA version for about a week and returned it , hated bring it back but it was just too annoying to use. The German (EU) version, meh who cares.
You, probably mast know that Metabo attachment has worst quality and european Milwaukee attachment sistem from another TTI brand -AEG, what sale in America as Ridgid.
@@Tools-Tested this is it: th-cam.com/video/zmubg6s1XHA/w-d-xo.html&feature=share You can see why this attachment bigger than others - because it from 18 volt platform.
@@Tools-Tested mostly identical, but have different naming. In European market there is no some breand like Kobalt, but it has something like Narex and Maffel. Asian market has some in introducing tool like Panasonic Exult and Tajima.
Digital clutch is wonky, drill body is too big for an effective installation drill - not good for tight spaces, does not come with a bit holding chuck. Only thing this has over the newer Installation drill/driver is the compact plastic drill chuck. Much better than the huge metal chuck they are giving you with the new one - plastic is less likely to damage finish surfaces, and smaller size is an advantage for tight places.
I own all m12 tools but ended up buying the Bosch brushless installation tool. I want the smallest, lightest weight too for work around the house. I grab the bosch 80% of the time to do most jobs. My m12 hammer drill and impact driver get used 20% of the time.
Hopefully the 2nd gen m12 installation driver will be like this European design except smaller, no hammer, and lighter.
Is that model Hal impact on the 90 degree attachments??(is the worst part of a installation in tight spacess)
Well look @ the bright side:- you don't need to pay such high taxes in us if imported!🤔)
The FPDX is a great home owner all-in-one solution. I like the form factor of the US variant better, plus the magnetic D-handle is very handy. But having a hammer function for mounting anchors in brick and concrete makes the FPDX the only drill most people would ever need. Plus the speed of drilling a pilot hole and having a drill bit in the hex underneath is faster than having another drill on hand.
the foward/reverse switch on the american is just stupid
They don’t bring to USA because then sales would drop for other things because this tool is very versatile for different jobs
What the heck Milwaukee??? Why??? Why is this not in the USA? It’s like a German who works for Milwaukee saw the USA version and was like NOPE! And built arguably a better driver overall. Personally I’d love for Milwaukee to take the best parts from new M12 fuel drill, the USA driver, and the German driver, and combine them into one awesome installation driver. I’m sure it can be done.
That installation driver was released before the US version.
Yep idk kinda crazy it isn’t offered here!
Racism
@@jsplashashut up you fool
Did you mentioned you can have a short bit in the driver of the PBDX (Edit: FPDX) and on top, without removing, you can put on the drill chuck?
Nope I definitely didn’t, thanks for the info!
I think that Milwaukee decided that the hammer drill function was better suited for use in brick buildings more common in Europe, and so they launched it first there.
Later, they developed the smaller Festool style drill and saw no need to launch this bulkier one in North America.
I did know this until today, but the Bosch has an SDS plus rotary hammer attachment. I wonder how good the performance could be at 12V, but perhaps better than a hammer drill function due to rotary hammer design.
Yeah I hope to test that at some point, it's a interesting concept.
I believe the plastic chuck was a decision to be as non-marring as possible since presumably you are working on some delicate finished product.
Good point, makes sense!
Check out the AEG/Ridgid 12v installation driver looks to have the same connection set up
Also the Milwaukee M12 Bddx KIT-202C
a noise comparison would be nice
Yeah sadly I didn't start comparing sound until later videos.
Good mic, could hear your stomach gurgling at 6:36
Lol
So In Russia they have one like this but on the old brushed drill set up
M12 BDDX 202C and have a different attachment style so they have try 3 different styles
Yep I seen that older brushed drill style was available also, its interesting they make 3 different ones but not all markets get all 3.
Thanks again for both installation driver tests. I took a look at the import milwaukee back when shopping for an installation driver, but for me, the higher price, lack of US warranty, higher weight and lack of a dedicated locking hex chuck turned me off of it. I've been very happy with the dewalt.
No problem, yep definitely $$$ after shipping and import cost.
I do really think the Dewalt is the best overall.
Want it. Need it.
How about the Bosch GSR18V-535FCB15?
Plan on testing it at some point, just compared 12v versions right now.
Interesting... do they have something similar in Japan??
Can you also try to test the bosch profactor drill the GSB 18V 1330c which supposed to have most torque than other brand plus the motor is a powerhouse. Thanks
There is some alternative with similar specs to M12 FPDX always with percussion function?
FPDX looks like a 2504 drill (prev. gen) with an attachment interface/head on it. Actual performance is not far off either, so I'm guessing that's more or less what it is.
Yep probably the same motor.
Thanks! The EU version tempted me. It looks great. Until you actually compare its size. Then you realize that a large installation driver is kinda pointless.
No problem! Yep I was not expecting the drill to be that big...
Interesting look at an uncommon tool for us here in the US. I don't think I saw your Install Driver comparison video?? But I've been looking at them since TTC's Formula 1 pit tool video the other day. I'd been wanting a drill as an install driver for garage work, just for sake of having the torque-limiting clutch, but these seem like a really nice, lightweight alternative to a classic drill. And yeah, I think I agree that I'd pick the Dewalt kit, though I do really admire how tiny the Bosch tools are.
On another note, I really wish the attachment mechanisms were standardized between brands. I'd really prefer to mix and match to get the best of each, whether for the more compact design, or more robust. Same for batteries using maybe two standard connections and electronic standards. Ah well, wishful thinking.
Lol, TH-cam shows I /did/ watch your previous install driver video! I guess I forgot.
Yeah I wish the attachments were standardized.
Lol don’t feel bad, I have done the same thing. Watched a video the other day YT says I watched but I don’t remember doing so.
Thing looks like a little beast. Glad the attachment housings are plastic on US version, with the exception of the jacobs. I don't like risking a scratch on other trade's finished work. The US zipper bag is already useless to me, so this case would be the same and probably take up too much storage space.
I would buy. I hate the front part with the magnet on the front
I’ll stick with both Bosch install drivers! But if I get the need to start putting on lug nuts with a install driver, then I’ll possibly pick up the Euro M12 or Default 12v.
The question on everyone's mind: will this driver's 1/2" Jacobs chuck fit on the American installation driver?
Nope he showed the different way it drives the attachments on the 2 different versions
@@towboatjeff yes, I saw. But that doesn't necessarily mean they're incompatible. I was hoping to get a definitive yes or no on compatibility.
Sadly no they are not compatible.
I almost bought this a few weeks ago. But what stopped me was how old it is and as soon as I got it in my hands, good chance Milwaukee would introduce a gen 3 variant.
Yep it's getting up in age, Milwaukee has a few tools they need to upgrade.
Europe got cooler packout boxes, toughsystem 3 drawer around for a long time only recently came here, this tool, if im not mistaken theres an improved m12 raptor copper tube cutter, powerstack was there first and im sure there is more. They jus better then us i guess lol o yea then there is Japanese hikoki and makita stuff although that may not be available to Europe either but jus mentioning not north America
What is the model number?
in europe it's M12 FPDX
The full metal offset attachment is a desirable feature, but more of that unrestrained Milwaukee power isn’t all that great in an installation driver.
Interesting, seems like Europe gets better grade power tools. Makita also does this with their made in Japan impact drivers. Their internals are different that the HD china ones that we get here.
Yep kinda weird, we seem to get the older Makita tools.
I personally like the U.S version or the festool/Milwaukee. I own so many drills and impacts that I just don’t need to use my installation driver in a situation that require a lot of power. And honestly that’s not what they’re intended for.
Seems to have just as many "what were they thinking" design decisions. At least it doesn't have the uncomfortable and fat bulbous grip the more common one has. Only Milwaukee tool I ever returned. I know in theory you are supposed to hold it differently but regardless, an installation driver should be like a scalpel , not a sledge.
Yep you would think they could make one really good one lol.
Why couldn’t they sell it here, the one we got sucks
Yeah idk kinda crazy.
agreed
Makes little sense to have a long installation driver like that. That 1/2 inch chuck and hammer drill function adds limited utility for the type of tool, at a significant cost of length. These are meant to get into tight spaces and for light duty task. Perhaps this could make sense for a homeowner who doesn't want to own any other drill.
That being said, I also don't like the current m12 installation driver either, but mostly due to ergonomics (direction switch, knuckle guard, grip). Maybe the next gen will combine the two features
They still screwed up the offset attachment.. No locking collar
But they got the forward and reverse right
I like the USA version better
They just gotta fix the F~R switch (move it to the normal position by the trigger) and the offset attachment needs a locking collar.
I had the USA version for about a week and returned it , hated bring it back but it was just too annoying to use.
The German (EU) version, meh who cares.
You, probably mast know that Metabo attachment has worst quality and european Milwaukee attachment sistem from another TTI brand -AEG, what sale in America as Ridgid.
I didn't know that, I don't think we ever got the AEG rebranded Ridgid installation driver.
Thanks for the info!
@@Tools-Tested this is it: th-cam.com/video/zmubg6s1XHA/w-d-xo.html&feature=share
You can see why this attachment bigger than others - because it from 18 volt platform.
@@yesicandoit Oh wow they also have a 18v version, interesting. Crazy how different the tool availability is between countries.
@@Tools-Tested mostly identical, but have different naming. In European market there is no some breand like Kobalt, but it has something like Narex and Maffel. Asian market has some in introducing tool like Panasonic Exult and Tajima.
Digital clutch is wonky, drill body is too big for an effective installation drill - not good for tight spaces, does not come with a bit holding chuck. Only thing this has over the newer Installation drill/driver is the compact plastic drill chuck. Much better than the huge metal chuck they are giving you with the new one - plastic is less likely to damage finish surfaces, and smaller size is an advantage for tight places.
wtf milwaukee
Exactly
Going on like the batteries because it’s a eu version are Chinese mate all your batteries are probs Chinese 😂 uk always better 💪