You Should Buy 12V Instead of 20V… HERE’S WHY!
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- Battery voltage can be a tricky subject. What's the real difference between 12V, 18V, and 20V Max tools? What about when the voltage goes even HIGHER? Reaching power levels of 36V, 60V, 80V, and even higher have become common practice in the power tool industry, in this episode of PTR Punchlist we discuss the differences between these battery platforms, which is best for who, and important topics like... He-Man.
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It’s refreshing to see a transition in the conversation around tools from “I need the biggest, baddest, most powerful tools possible” to “Maybe we just use the tools that make the most sense for the specific application.”
The problem is, "more power" is ALWAYS better than "not enough power". I've never been in a situation where I couldn't finish a job or task because my cordless tools had too much power, but I have been in situations where they didn't have enough power to finish a job. For instance I keep my old Porter Cable drill and impact driver (with the NiCd Batteries) in my van for backup. Well, I forgot to put my 18V Ridgid impact driver back in the van after using it at my house and had to grab the Porter Cable while at work, but it just wasn't up to the task, it would not drive the lag bolts deep enough. So, it's not about "I need the biggest, baddest, most powerful tools possible", it's about making sure you have the power you need to finish the job. 12v tools have their place, but 18v/20v/etc will almost never let you down when you need that extra oomph.
That’s right I love my 12v for my automotive use. Haven’t had the need to upgrade to bigger power yet as I also don’t do suspension or anything really mainly interior work and basic maintenance
@@fartpooboxohyeah8611 you obviously have never tried to use an impact on screws in metal. Bolt heads shear off with a sneeze if you aren't paranoid in how you drive them. Most Bolt heads also not rated for impact shock so you damage them on first drive in.
But most people with your mindset never actually pay attention to who is going to have to pull out those fasteners or take off that hose clamp or in general to any work on any of the stuff you touch after you personally leave.
More power is always better. It’s the capability in a smaller, lighter package that is changing the convo.
@@actualperson9628 yeah no because when I'm taking off 5mm bolts I always say damn why can't I have more than 300ft/lbs of torque.
M12 systems for the sheer fact the 3/8 and 1/2 stubby impacts can fit just about anywhere without the battery smacking everything
Just broke down and bought the 3/8 stubby and it knocked lugnuts off easily
have you used or have the right angle impact? I'm stuck between the m12 and the kobold because the Kobalt does 300 lbs in the reviews.
@@bobthompson4319 I personally have not but I've pulled 350ft lb torqued mast nuts off forklifts with zero issues out of m12 1/2 stubby. I think it's like 1-5/16 socket and it handles it good
@@throughmylens5127 that makes me happy. I just got the stubby 3/8 on sale for 129, waiting for it to ship still, its on backorder. I already have the m18 1/2 impact wrench, I was scared the stubby wouldn't have enough power.
@@bobthompson4319 kobalt is junk that will fall apart
I have Dewalt 20v and Milwaukee M12. I generally reach for the M12 fuel. In fact , like this morning, I only reached for my 20v impact because I could not remember where I left my m12 impact.
I have a couple m18 drills, a bunch of m12 stuff, and a ryobi set I bought because I needed a bunch of power tools and it was cheap. I've used the ryobi stuff a handful of times, im always using my milwaukee tools
I actually like the M12 Fuel circular saw for it's light weight and ease of use. Sure it's not as powerful as the M18 Fuel, but as long as your not cutting stacks of lumber, M12 will get the job done just fine.
Emphasis on the "light weight" that's the best part for repeated small jobs
I have the m12 saw been using it for 4 years I do remodeling and handyman work this saw is my go to. I have makita 36v rear handle and standard but the m12 is a beast
I want to get that. I love my m12 tools
I use the m12 saw with the 6amp battery. Even then it's basically a sheet good breakdown saw to kick around the truck just in case. Honestly dont like cutting 2x4s or anything larger with it as it sounds like I'm asking to much of it when it runs.
If I'm onsite no power il use the m18 saw with the 12amp it came with. Rapid charger plugs into the truck.
I know this is sacrilege but still prefer a corded wormdrive for alot of things. I like the torque and that the saw doesnt bog down under load. Some sidewinders rev so high at freespinning they sound like they're going to rattle-fly apart [skilsaw sidewinder] dewalt makes a good sidewinder we've had good with with.
@@martylucas8557 So you just go to the return counter with the item you don't want and ask for a refund? They don't care about the free tool?
The higher voltage means you’re drawing less amps, meaning the wiring and electronics can be sized smaller. So double the voltage instead of using 8 gauge wire you can use 16 gauge (half the size) and have the same amount of resistance. The resistance is what causes the heat.
Hi, new homeowner/DIY'er here. Do higher amps actually FEEL more powerful like with RPM's and longer projects? Thanks.
@@bennygerow if anything it would be the opposite, higher amps mean shorter battery cycles (as well as shorter battery life, the lower the current load the better) and voltage is what determines the speed of a motor (under no load, a motor will spin at a speed which is directly related to the voltage supplied, so a lot of motors come with a kv rating - velocity constant - which is how many RPMs you get per volt.)
However, motor torque is dependent on amps. A motor setup for higher current will have more power and torque overall. Generally, higher voltage is better because of what MondoTV described as well as the above points I mentioned. A 12v (3 cells in series/3S) battery supplying 180w (15A) with the same cells as an 18V (5S) battery supplying 180w (10A) will last 2/3rds as long and generate more heat in the process, degrading the batteries and the rest of the components faster.
8 gauge to 16 gauge is not 'halving the current'. 8 gauge to 12 gauge is the half point (40 amps to 20 amps typical). But I get what you're saying.
Double the voltage, half the amps. Sounds good. But then how many batteries in series-parallel is needed to make the higher voltage. Then it gets heavier.
@@imperialsecuritybureau6037 Higher amperage is beneficial for more power . If you don't need the power go with 12v. If you need more power, go with a higher voltage. Higher amps does not equate to shorter battery cycles. You're confusing amperage with power (Watts)
When i started my building apprenticeship in the late 70s , the first cordless drill came out, it was the Makita 7.2 cordless drill, it took me 1 mth to pay it off , i still have that drill with 1 battery & charger that came with it, but has now been in retirement over the last 40yrs & have kept it for sentimental reasons only ,it's been my little baby
I buy m18 because I see my coworkers spending 3 minutes to cut one peice of conduit with there m12 while talking about how it gets the job done the same. The Sawzall kinda depends on the blade but fresh blade to fresh blade it feels like I'm cutting atleast twice as fast vs. The m12. The bandsaw seems like 3 or 4 times faster. Don't even get me started on holesaws on those tiny m12 drills.
The higher voltage bandsaws also have larger openings which makes them MUCH more flexible.
For a small engine mechanic like me, 12V is ideal because you can run many (but not all) screws, bolts, & nuts down without accidentally stripping them from over tightening. Plus, most fasteners can be removed easily with 12V.
There is a thing called clutch on drills, you know
To be honest most good 12v impacts will carry you pretty well through MOST automotive applications. I've used a m12 stubby to remove rusty old motor mount bolts on a f150. And the m18 high torque carries me all the way through kingpins and lug nuts on class 7/8 trucks
I'm also a small engine technician and that DeWalt 12v 1/4" screwdriver is my go to for 90% of the stuff I do as I handle most of the handheld ope. The adjustable chuck works like a fast and dirty torque wrench, the lack of impact is safer on plastic/delicate components and it's so compact when you're working in tight spots like snowblowers and lawnmowers.
if you work on ANY engines, the M12 Stubby impact wrench is KING
@@shadeshiest22 DCF850 3/8" converted with a 1.7ah powerstack is king.
I love that I can watch this channel and not be afraid my family might walk in and hear or see something inappropriate. Thanks PTR! Great info today also.
I love that I can watch whatever I want and not worry about what my family thinks about a little bit of drill or hammer humor. Wild.
…and over hearing guys comparing the size of their tools is absolutely not going to be misconstrued….of course😂
Right on I hate the senseless vulgarity in today's creatures
i love that i am not in debt cos my wife is constantly trying to keep up with the jones's, or divorcing me and taking half my shit and the kids when she meets someone who earns $2 an hour more.
have fun with that blue-pill bullshit.
freedom>family
I buy what I need when it’s on special haha. 20V and 12V whatever I see works best! I have no preference, if I could I’d have ever tool lol!
Yeah but having multiple battery packs to worry about kinda sucks. Right now I have Dewalt 20v, Hitachi 18v, Milwaukee 12v, Ryobi 18v, ego 56v and snapper, can't remember what the snapper runs at but I think it's 52v or around there.
I wish someone made a battery adapter that actually worked.
@@thebigdoghimself Dude yes - I got M12, Dewalt, Ryobi 18v, Ryobi 40v, Craftsman, Rigid. Geez... it's getting out of hand.
Same, I got dewalt 12v max, 20v max, 18v. Milwaukee 12v. And snap-on 18v. Kinda irritating at times with the different batteries and chargers
Ha, Ha, Ha, Y’all’s story is similarly to mine ! What ever was on sale! And a good deal! Started with Milwaukee m-12 all ready had DeWalt drill, then Kobalt came in to the pitcher have about 12 tools from them ! Bosh freak went on sale had to have that ! Now I’m thinking 🤔 about Makita, from watching TH-cam videos , i think 🤔 maybe collecting tools has become a hobby, rather than actually using the dam tools!
so, you're a disorganised money waster. got it
I think for most DIY projects you really only need a cordless drill and/or driver. Corded cutting tools are more than sufficient for most homeowners, since they are by definition working around the house they will generally have access to a plug
DIYers that want to go the premium brand option when it comes to drills and impact drivers, go for the Milwaukee M12 Fuel.
I have been installing cabinets for 3 years now and my M12 is my go-to. The 12v Max was my first impact driver and still love it, but now I have a few M12 tools I use.
If you can afford/justify the luxury, having both 12v and 18v platforms is phenomenal. Certain tools are well suited to either voltage. M12 and Makita LXT are my go to, and I break out each set equally as often and can tailor to the task I'm about to go perform
I have Makita LXT, love it, but jumping into m12 for the rotary tool. Thinking about splurging for the installation drill/driver. Any other standout m12 tools that you feel fills in gaps in the Makita lineup?
Hydraulic impact driver is a real pleasure to use, if you have the option. The new 3d laser is also a must if you are in the market for one.
For my work, being a electrician, the compact bandsaw, right angle impact/impact wrench/ drill are really doing the trick
You should check out the newer m18 fuel impact guns. It has 4 settings. It's basically a multi impact of some sort.
@@mischavanengelen5343 I don't like the m18 fuel hydraulic impact. It has half the rpms, and half the max torque compared to the non hydraulic. I don't know if the hydraulic one has the multiple power settings that the non hydraulic has either. Mine can ram it home or be beautifully delicate.
"Like a leaf on the wind" - serenity
Excellent discussion 👍 I'm on the DeWalt platform and have tools on all 3 lines. 12v, 20v, & 60v...love them all. 12v is definitely the go to nowadays. Only pull out the bigger tools when they are actually needed.
I’m using M12 for automotive work, M18 for most construction. I have a few M12 to use around the house, and I carry M12 in our RV for on-the-go tools. Both are great whatever way you slice it.
We run a farm. We use power tools a lot and are hard on them. I used Dewalt for a long time and then began to invest in the Milwaukee platform. Started with the intention of doing all M18, somehow I ended up with M12 impact and drill. I was sold after a few uses. The M12 does most of the stuff we need. A few exceptions are we have M18 impact and 18 grinder. The M12 platform is unbelievable powerful and reliable.
Thank you for titling this video this way. I was having a really tough time trying to find out this information, and when I saw the title of this video, I was like “YES! Finally! That’s what I want to know!” Thanks for making this information easily findable and searchable!
Great conversation! I particularly liked the latter part as you started talking about the 60V stuff.
18V for new construction/heavy duty use. 12V got finish/service work. They're for different things
That's right much agree 👍
Well said
I've been using the m12 circular saw for about 6 months now and love the little thing but sometimes it would be nice for it to be a little bigger so it could do 45s in inch and a half material. Pretty much the only reason for the 18 volt saw in the truck
I love my m12 propress tool. Residential plumbing rarely goes above 1 1/4' and the 3" m12 cutoff tool is perfect for cutting old rotten cast iron.
Loved the discussion guys.
As a commercial electrician I use both. M12 for running Tek screws and fasteners all day plus the subcompact bandsaw for pipe. I use the M18 for task lighting, circular saw, full size bandsaw, hammer drill, drill and impact for driving into wood, concrete or things like 1/2" concrete anchors.
I couldn't do without my M18's but my M12's really save on my body and space for the low demand repetitious tasks.
I think DIY was meant to describe anyone who does a project over hiring a professional. With that in mind I'd think 18v for DIY. For anyone looking for the ability to drill holes and hang pictures, TV's, ECT, things that don't constitute DIY, then they can get a cheap drill from Walmart.
As a electrician that always had 18v Milwaukee and DeWalt, recently I switched to Milwaukee 12v and to a guy climbing a ladder or in a crawl space 12v is a game changer. My opinion is that the right tool for the job is based on the job at hand and it's location.
I started out at 16 with m12 and now am 19 and still use m12 and love it I work as a tech on forklifts but work on my home all time on remodeling my house and I have m12 tools out the Wazzu now for everything and does everything I need
Guys really enjoying your tool talks. Very informative and interesting.
I really like my Makita 18V subcompact set. I would like a few of the 12v cxt line to get a few of the nice light tools such as the ones named: drill, impact, one hand recip, and multitool. The 12v tools are usually a little cheaper too.
This was very informative and well explained, took a lot of my battery size confusion and made it easier to understand from the user side of the equation. Thank You
I started with Makita 9.6 volt a long time ago.
My father who just turned 71 had his makita 9.6v die. I replaced it with the dewalt xtreme 12v because of it's size and weight. For what he does now, it was a logical choice. Price and power made perfect sense for a reolacement.
Great video. Cleared up a lot of confusion about battery choices and tool power.
I got 18v Ryobi tools and for the drill and impact driver, I went with the Milwaukee M12. I love those 12v Milwaukee's and how compact and really powerful for how small they are.
As a DIYer/hobbyist, I currently only have Dewalt 20v max tools right now such as an impact driver, drill, and reciprocating saw. I even have the leaf blower which is great. I’m actually going to switch over to a 12v drill and impact driver largely because of the size and the fact that they can do all the tasks that I have while being smaller and lightweight. I’m sure a 12v reciprocating saw would work for me, but I like the idea of having longer runtime and plan on sticking with the 20v max at this time.
Also, don’t be afraid of corded tools. I was given a Dewalt oscillating tool and a circular saw and they work great for me because I don’t use them all the time and when I do I can plug them in and get the job done and know that I will have consistent power throughout. I know that was long winded, but I hope that this helps someone!
Here’s my view, I’m a landscape contractor and I use The Dewalt hammer drill with an auger for planting, and I own the equivalent Milwaukee and it won’t drive the auger in the ground.
I started out with m18 tools slowly then bought like 2 m12 tools and I realized what an amazing difference it was and I now own more 12v tools but still need the power from a few m18 tools
I've found my M12 circular saw great in certain situations. When framing up structures it's not the greatest for constant cuts of 2x lumber, but if your working overhead or on a roof and need to make a quick cut it's incredibly convenient.
Needs a gen 2 with a rafter hook . Because it's so small and convenient I usually carry it up a ladder in a roof situation
I found my m18 non fuel 6.5" skill saw to be a piece of trash with a bent baseplate.
I stand by m18 fuel products. I haven't looked @ the skill saw but I bet it's good. I've seen 2 in the wild just never give it a run down. It's a full size 7 1/4" though.
My m18 fuel impact is frigging crazy! It has 4 settings, can be super delicate and stop itself, or like a mama bear, or papa bear mode! And a self tapping setting that stops it from impacting until it drills through.
The my key version you can go on your phone and set the torque value, and it has anti theft, but it's an extra 100 bucks...
I am fully fledged DIYer (fixes neighbours appliances and builds decks) and the M12 Fuel range has been my favourites set of tools for many years. They are light and powerful enough to tackle all of my projects. That said my circ. and jig saws are Dewalt 20v. I think its very different if you are a professional who is using cordless tools for more than a few hours a week. For those folks the 12v range in certain tools (drill/driver mostly) with high output batteries may make sense.
BTW thanks for putting out a great video. always informative and very honest. Thanks again.
This video was very educational and fun to watch. Thanks to you guys. it’s Sunday and I’m just getting home from church. I am going to subscribe to your channel. Keep up the great work.
I'm not a huge Milwaukee guy. But I really like my M12 drill and impact. They are nice little drills that work great for cabinet and finish work stuff. I don't have the fuels. I bought them 10years ago in black Friday for $99 for the combo kit. And they are still going strong
I use m12 stuff for the tool box in my truck. M12 hatchet, fuel drill, fuel impact, 3/8's stubby, 3/8s fuel ratchet, 5 1/2 circular saw, jig saw, recip and multi tool. All fit in 2 ridgid brand small tool boxes and still take up no room in my truck bed. The m12 circular saw works pretty good. I use it all the time.
I'm new to this, I have 18v drill and impact driver but have a corded saw at 240v (but it's 230v) so I like watching and learning all this
I'm in Home Theater and I love my Milwaukee M12 tools. The one power tool I keep in my bag is the M12 driver/drill with the hammer function and it serves me well, BUT...
There is definitely a place the 18 V stuff. Like retro fit wire runs where I have to go through 2x lumber all day. I will say that now that I have Fuel tools, I do think they're a bit too much sometimes. I used to do just fine with the non brushless stuff.
I'm a plumbing apprentice. I'm currently running 18 v impact and drill. Still getting the rest of the power tools but I think I'm also gonna pick up a 12 v impact. Just for the light weight for driving screws for brackets nail plates ect. But that's really the only 12 v tool I'm interested in. Next buy is the 18 v hackzall
In most cases, the majority of what a cordless drill or impact is used for is driving screws and drilling fairly small holes. Today's 12 volt tools are far more than enough for these tasks. 18/20 volt drills and impacts are only needed for hole saws or large drill bits. Even the 12 volt jig saws and recip saws work well. But as mentioned, the 12 volt circular saws can be a bit wimpy. Need power for those.
I bought a 12 volt Milwaukee screw gun (not a drill) yrs ago when I was installing vinyl siding on my house to drive in truss head screws. Works great plenty of torque and slow enough to control it. I’ve got a whole outfit of makita 18 volt tools but at work I use the 18 volt subcompact kit. Use the impact to clean out threads and to change t-nuts on a 3 jaw chuck. The drill has a 1/2 inch chuck and works on anything I need to do. Absolutely love the kit but I use my little Milwaukee screw gun for small jobs around the house. It’s a great little tool.
I'm a milawakee guy and my take is 12 volt for small stuff like ratchet and, impact driver, and M18 for hammer drill and Grinders and impact wrench and bigger stuff and yes the m12 impact driver is perfect, maby not for big lag bolts and stuff but right tool for the right job
I bought Milwaukee 28volt system in 2002. I still have some of them and use them daily. I also have 12v and 18v. There is a MASSIVE difference in their capabilities. If you want to do 80% of the work with no issues, get 18v. If you need lightweight and convenience get 12v. If you’re a professional and need the tool to easily get the big jobs done then get the 28v.
As a luxury apartment maintenance technician in a building with over 200 units, I’ve learned a 12v, especially the 12v fuel lineup is super useful. Light and almost as powerful as 18v. My 12vs do everything I need, literally from concrete to cabinets. Takes a bit longer but speed isn’t important in our field. Accuracy and precision is. And working hvac as well, it feels great to no longer carry 18v. The bag is heavy enough, 2 pounds makes a difference over time. Only 18v I have is my leaf blower. Even my vacuum is 12v from Milwaukee.
The DeWalt 12v Extreme screwdriver is the handiest tool I own. I love it.
I run a yacht restoration and rigging business. I almost exclusively use the M12 line of tools for all of my rigging and most of my yacht restoration work with a couple of exceptions. The compact design make these tools perfect for hauling up the mast. If you look at the M12 fuel line you will find that the power of the gen 2 and 3 tools are nearly the same as the older style of M18 or 20 volt max. The 12 volt tools will meet the needs of more than 95 percent of people and even most contractors
I run 18v makita primarily. But I have been getting more and more 12v milwaukee. It started with the 12v installation drill drive (absolutely love this tool). Now I have several 12v lights, stapler, engraver and the 12v fuel pex expansion tool (another great tool).
10:20 he nails it! Thank you! I've been saying this forever when I hear the 18v/20v debate come up.......why doesn't 12v bother people the same way?
I have the Dewalt 60v circular saw and the Dewalt 12v circular saw. I use the 12v 9 times out of 10 for punch list. It is incredible.
As a sparky, the m12 fuel bandsaw all day over the m18!
Fellow sparky I had the m18 fuel band saw and it was so freaking large and heavy it was a massive pain to carry around. Switched it with the smaller fuel metal cutting circ saw.
I can agree somewhat with augmenting with 12v tools in certain instances of very tight spacing in specialty trades such as hvac/service techs/plumbing. Personally, after 38 years as a master carpenter/builder by trade, and a "can fix almost anything" guy in my off time, I have never found anything that i couldn't use my 18v Milwaukee tools for through judicious use of adapters/extensions/swivels that I couldn't accomplish using hand tools. To me the lack of power and versatility in a 12v tool doesn't justify the added cost and headache of having to buy, carry, and maintain them.
Yea, same here. plus I have to have a second type of battery...
@@marcburns508 Yeah, this idea of going 12v seems to be for people who dont mind taking up extra space and cost having 2 versions of each tool, just because one is 2 pounds lighter and a tiny bit smaller.
I sympathize, but everybody is admitting 12v is only good for most things, not all.
So its nice to have if you dont mind using the extra space or cost, but this discussion would be less edgy if they changed the title to something more suggestive instead of demanding.
Yeah, 12v isnt bad at all, but I mainly need these when traveling for work, and I prefer a tool that does it all, instead of that only does most. But thats just me. If you have a shop, I get it. Space and cost dont matter as much.
As someone who maintains 16 properties and does everything from plumbing, moderate carpentry, hvac, and electrical I love my 12v tools for the light weight, compact size in my bag and general ergonomics. Also helps I got an insane deal on a 4 tool m12 fuel tool set but I’m not complaining
As a plumber for 30+ years ,I have reverted back to corded for remodeling and sewer repairs no worries about charging and change outs ,and M12 for day to day
I personally have the Ridgid 18v system as my battery platform of choice, the selling point to me was I wanted 1 battery system and the tools I need (rack refrigeration mechanic) and I wanted the highest torque 1/2" impact because sometimes I need to break loose some pretty rusty fasteners and Ridgid delivers that. I worked for a company that have M12 stocked on the truck and it was mostly fine other than my 1/2" impact needs.
Once a installed 4 rows of seats on a big van (involving drilling and tapping the hardened steel legs of the seats) with only a Bosh 12v drill that are even more compact than those mentioned, and they were brushed the nowadays brushless are even more efficient and powerful.
I have had a 12V cheap mini SDS hammer for a couple of years, maybe not as powerful but powerful enough, light, and comfy, router and multi-tool pretty much the same...best description for 12V is "it'll do, little piggy, it'll do" xD
Rigid,it’s a no brainer. Free repair and batteries for life. I have them in both voltage platforms and reach for the 12v the most. Love the multi tool and like he said it fits in my main bag along with a drill and is always within reach. Fits in my pouch and going up a ladder and is easier to carry. 18 v if I’m driving 3” screws ,sawing and demos. 12v for cabinet and furniture building. Oh and I’m old enough that I started with the 7.2 Makita and Ryobi platforms in the 80s. Cheers
Great video guys. I do have say though the DeWalt 12v circular saw is awesome. Thing is a beast for it's size and if you're up on a ladder on the side of a house making a cut it's so much easier holding this saw up making that cut ...super light and does the job.
I guess you haven't tried milwaukee and dewalt 12v circular saws.
I am a big fan of the M12 Fuel system. I have a few of them including the new Fuel multi tool. I had my Milwaukee 18v Fuel hammer drill and impact driver stolen. I had just started a handicap ramp job when some low life broke into the truck and got the 18v system. My HD store did not have the same kit in stock so I grabbed the M12 fuel kit. I built that entire project with the M12 fuel kit. Including using the hammer drill quite a few times
Driving a large box of 3" deck screws. Drilling through the 4×4s and joists for the carriage bolts. Driving a bunch of 3.5" lag bolts.
The list goes on.
I was highly impressed with the power and ability of the M12 Fuel system. This was a large job complete with a landing for a 90° turn to follow ADA guidelines.
While the Milwaukee M12 Fuel system is probably not designed for this extreme use I can attest to its ability to carry it out. I highly recommend it. For a home owner that dosen't really need the 18-20 volt systems but wants something that could do anything they wanted, including building a deck. This system is more than capable
I think the optimal level/word you used here is FUEL, or pretty much any tool brand that has a pro grade level. Had you simply bought the Milwaukee brushed, or even their brushless M12 line, I'm wondering if you would have seen the same results? Or if you would have had similar results, but at a little slower pace?
I am only starting to DIY but after watching this video I think I will be making better choices in the future. Thank you for demystifying the difference (none) between 24v and 18v. Absolutely legendary
Theres is a difference between 24 and 18. But not between 20 and 18. Also some 18v run 18650 cells and some run 21700 cells. The 21700 cells are much more powerful and more run time eventhough they are both 18v.
As an apartment maintenance technician, I'm pretty happy with my M12 Surge driver and oscillating tool. I occasionally use my M18 circ saw and M18 drill, but for the most part, the M12 is perfect for my situation.
I agree except that if you have the FUEL oscillating M12 tool, the battery lasts for literally two minutes. Every time I grab that tool I have to look around for batteries. The surge impact that I almost didn't buy because of the cost is great,
I'm an apartment maintenance tech too, and I completely agree. The size and weight are perfect for keeping in my tool bag. The M12 tools will do 90 precent of what the 18v tools will do, but for much less size and weight.
@@mytuberforyou I have the fuel oscillating tool too, and I haven't had any issues with the battery not lasting.
@@mytuberforyou I used the oscillating saw with the 2ah batteries and they seemed to draw down quickly. Now I use a 4+ah battery and like it better. I mostly use it for grout removal.
This was a great video. Learned a lot. Thanks!
We use dewalt and Milwaukee 18v tools on our farm. Lots of repetitive cuts/ grinding. We spent 6 10 hour days grinding and welding pipes together. Went through dozens of batteries a day.
I love m12 drill/ drivers, they are my go to faves over my m18 every time so handy compact and a pleasure to use
I’m a pro user and have Milwaukee 18 volt system as well as m12 and I have to say I love the size of m12 for most applications and performs very well .
As a home owner and an RV'er handy man. I am perfectly happy with the M12 platform. If I need more power I go electric.
I have a dozen M12 powered devices & it is so nice to know if one of the batteries run out you can always steel one from another tool. Gold Son GOLD
Thanks for the video. A lot of great info.
This Is Really Bizarre. I had to double and triple check the date of this video. I just bought the m12 hammer drill, driver and stubby impact three days ago. As an engineer, working around 12v on the regular, I just feel stupid I didnt realize these tools were up to the task sooner. I am a burly guy but I have been lugging around all this extra weight and bulk for no reason. LOL
@@Protoolreviews The logic is undeniable!!!
I agree about 12v. I have a lot of 18v tools, but I always grab my 12v drill unless I know it can't handle the job, because it's so small and light.
As a auto technician I bought into the Milwaukee M12 series and slowly added the M18 tools I felt I needed.
He man is already back on Netflix
12v Bosch stuff I have. Screwdriver, impact drill, impact driver, jigsaw, router.
It all depends on the Job/Task at hand, no necessarily the tool itself. I wouldn't use a framing hammer for finishing nails. Some jobs require a heavier output of the 18V, and others don't. It's not always a cut and dry situation though. I believe it also depends on the Quality of the 12 volt tool/battery that you are using as well. We are mentioning brand names, but we all know the within these various brands, there are different levels of performance. For instance, Milwaukee has three levels, from their entry level brushed to brushless to FUEL and then you have DeWalt, with all sorts of stickers on their tools as well and many other brands that do similar things.
On top of that, we also have the home owner/DIY, then the Pro-sumer levels of tools that, depending on how much you pay and how old they or the batteries are, may or may not alter the performance of the tool on any given day..
As a new homeowner I had to start getting into DIY projects and landed on M12 Fuel drill/driver kit with free multitool and they have been great...been able to use a 1/2" bit on the hammer drill to drill into concrete for a gate drop rod. So far I'm really digging the M12 Fuel line so I may go for a few of the other tools in the line (have my eye on the hackzawl) but for anything I need more power for I'm going corded i.e. circular saw. For home use I don't see the benefit of going all in to a battery line when corded works just fine if not better.
I've been looking at the m12 and m18 hakzall im stuck idk what to get
The m18 fuel hackzall is nice and smooth compared to the m18 non fuel one. Also more powerful.
I suggest m18 fuel products. My impact is next level with 4 modes from delicate to wild and a self tapping screw setting. The hammer drill is a hammer drill when needed and has a nice optional handle if things are critical. The multi tool is variable speed with great power, I'm normally running on #4. And they all work with my compressor, skill saw, blower, sucker, hackzall.
I do think for home use though. The m12 fuel is probably great.
I will say though. Only buy fuel. I bought a non fuel skill saw I don't like (baseplate warped) cheap flat metal with no structure. And a non fuel m12 drill. Rotates so slow I want to throw it in the drink. Wouldn't use it on my bicycle (it's intended use!) Gave it to my aunt for her home kit as it slightly beats using a screw driver, slightly.
Extra: Yeah in the US DeWalt (especially) like to make the tool look to be more powerful by quoting the full charge voltage. However, DeWalt in UK label their tools at the nominal 18v, but they are exactly the same. Why?…Lithium cells are individually nominally 3.7v, but read 4.2v fully charged. So a five cell pack is nominally 18.5v but 21v straight off the charger! When your 18 or 20v labeled drill runs low it is more like 15v. Solid state batteries are gonna change the game again…..
Normal day to day at work I run 18volt need the run time and the extra power. My personal automotive impacts and ratchets are 12 volt due to the nature of cars being tight spaces. So it really depends on your situation
The 12v cordless ratchets are a must have in industrial maintenance and auto mechanic work
I Owen a wide variety of m12 tools that I use in my remodeling business for wood working they're my tool of choice. Makita is the 18, 36v tools if I need more power
I have this m18 impact driver that gives 1600 inlbs but I recently got a used impact driver that only gives 600inlbs but uses hydraulic tech so there's far less vibration. I noticed I used the quieter tool because it gave more control for the application. BUT having more than enough power and not needing it is better than not having enough power and need it
I have a Milwaukee 12 v drill and 12 v sawzaw and this conversation is helpfull
18v for anyone starting out, this way you have more flexibility in tools without needing to move over to a new platform. Then lower/higher voltages as needed. Need more power; then 40/60v. Tools too heavy to carry all day; lower voltage.
This makes the most sense to me
I have a Milwaukee M12 circular saw with a metal cutting blade for Metal cable tray containment and it’s awesome
Back a few years ago doing a fence, we would get way down the line with a drill. We would run out and have to have a battery with us but always having on in the charger. I decided to go cordless when I had to run 200 foot of power cord and still ran out on the side of a building attaching a line set 3 floors up.
Everyone wants the biggest and baddest until they can’t get into tight spots. I just bought into the M12 bc of this reason.
You guys missed something--the motor on my M12 impact driver is actually BIGGER than my M18. For a long time I stayed away from 12v tools, because there used to be a huge power difference between 12v and 18v. But with new lithium batteries and brushless motors, the gap between the two is much smaller than it used to be.
@Craig Dendy I actually would like you hear what you are getting at here.
But I have seen reviews of all the brushless, and the power difference is still large between the less and more powerful tools. The motor isnt everything. Being able to push more power into them is everything.
And a bigger motor can mean less efficient. Its all dependent on the architecture.
but yeah, the power source means so much, which is the whole point of needing more volts or amps.
I stand by my m18 fuel impact gun (non hydraulic)
2,000 rpm, 2,000in/lb max torque.
Yet it has 4 settings, so it can do perfect little baby taps and stops itself.
If you splurge the extra money for the my key version. You can go on your smartphone and dial in it's torque value making it like an auto torque wrench... plus it has anti theft features.
The next model will probably have a human attatched!
As a counter play on the Olympics Motto I expect power cordless hand tools to evolve “Smaller, Lighter, Stronger”. The latest M12 Fuel brushless line is a good case in point. Sure, if you’re an iron worker 80 volts and magnetic capture is spot on. For many of us, as so clearly stated in a majority of the comments throughout, nimble, precise, manageable are the watchwords. Bigger is better for pure Miller Time boasting is a fading tradition.
I have to say, the Milwaukee 12v Sawzall should only be used in desperate situations, it just doesn't cut fast enough.
I have the new Dewalt 12v extreme 5-1/2” circ saw. Love it . Need bigger amp hour battery.
I buy both m12 milwaukee tools and 60v dewalt tools. The m12 is intuitive and easy to use and the flexvolt line can handle anything. Especially the 120v dual battery chopsaw.
1:29 perfectly said. Most people I know own 18v or 20v. It takes time or maturity to realize that the 12v is perfect for many installs. It’s the ideal handyman size. You can wear it all day and not notice it. Always there when you need it.
Wrong. Most people but the m12 it's cheaper. These clowns don't know what they're talking about
Why have two battery types and two equal tools when you can have one. If you need 12 it’s easier to just grab a corded one
@@inteallsviktigt that’s just silly. Corded is a pita.
I bought into the 12v Milwaukee stuff because I do a lot of automotive work and general home repair, usually in confined spaces. 12v is TONS of power for a drill or ratchet, the impact wrench is a LITTLE lacking for heavier work but still plenty for wheel lugs or most automotive suspension.... truck stuff where you're dealing with 125 ft/lbs or higher the M12 impact can be lacking.
As a Canadian the best part is the M12 heated jackets sharing the same batteries, outdoor work in the winter doesn't suck when you're toasty warm.
I use m12 circ saw all the time for lefthand blade and all my trim work, plus on a ladder, 12v is a huge time saver
I’ll use my 12 volts Dewalt first given the choice, if it lacks power then the 20v comes out. Love the small and light 12v lineups.
I have Makita 18v and milwaukee 12v. I use them all nearly every day.
Same here. I’m off today, and have no home projects so I’ll think I’ll walk around with the m12 hackzall and cut branches that really don’t have to be cut so I can get my tool high in for the day.
Damn nice bucket right there! Merry Christmas!
On the OPE issue y’all are spot on with the 40-60v tools. I started on the Ryobi 40v line of tools and love them. They have plenty of power for my size yard and they make a plethora of different tools as well. This was a great episode guys!! 👍
Yeah, I have all M12 cordless tools with the exception of an M18 circular saw. The other tools that I would consider for 18V is an angle grinder, jigsaw, and sander. But I have corded versions of those which are fine for me (I don't use them very often), so I'm not inclined to upgrade any time soon.
Love both of my m12 3/8 impacts
The small skill saw is great for cutting above your head and up in air stuff
Love this video and very detailed info
Really interesting discussion.
The m12 line has a ton of tools, I hang my drill and impact from my pocket and can move around freely without pulling my shit down. Plenty of power in a small package. Hard to beat it. Other brands try but my 12v dewalt died, my Bosch 12v was too weak. The m18 sit in the box and still look brand new lol