The first card of professional wrestling I ever went to was in Baltimore, main evented by Harley Race and Ric Flair inside a steel cage for the NWA Title, but me, my brother and my grandfather went to the matches primarily to see the ROAD WARRIORS that October 1984 night!!!!
Rock and Roll, Midnight Express, Road Warriors, Tully and Arn, the Russians, Mulkey Boys....best time in wrestling for me. Loved 6:05 on Saturday night. It was our pre-game before a night out. Thanks to Jim for keeping those days alive
In 1986 I started watching NWA on what is now called TBS and they hooked me with those story lines so much so that since WCW I have not gotten into any other wrestling
The Road Warriors never needed the belts, But I Loved it when they had the NWA National Tag Team belts and then the AWA World Tag Team Belts on them. Those Title belts made them even more Bad Ass!
I love Him for the history of wrestling. Especially anything pre 96. I hope we get all his history either written or verbally before he passes on. I have understood more on the past of wrestling, and gained respect after learning it all from people like Jimmy... Especially Jimmy.
Yes. I especially liked the stories in his book. I have a better understanding of why kayfabe meant so much to him. People made sacrifices to preserve it for the sake of other wrestlers. He wants that to be honored. I can respect that.
Jim nails it here. This was the best era for Tag Team Wrestling. Watching a match between the Midnight and the Rock and Roll was pure gold! As for the Road Warriors? Again Jim nails it. You wanted to the warriors to destroy whoever they were fighting, belts didn’t matter.
This booking he's describing was brilliant master work. I was witnessing it all from '85 with The Russians all the way to '88 with Midnights turning face. Every step of this process was awesome to watch, particularly the Midnight v Horsemen build up which seemed out of nowhere but made total sense at the time. Always great build up with angles back then! On a side note that Rude and Bull tag team was special, loved that team.
Soul of a NERD That period was when tag team wrestling was equal with singles. I can remember being more excited for the tag matches on the card. Even in the WWF you had great tag teams like the Bulldogs, Hart Foundation, Rougeaus, Islanders (loved them!) and Demolition.
Debatable but definitely highly up there. The late 90s were amazing, as well as the mid-late 70s with Iron Sheik, Superstar, Bruno, Hansen, Harley and many others.
@@thomasanthony5306 I guess it depends on what you're looking to find in wrestling. I grew up watching in the late 90s, and definitely think the attitude era produced some incredibly entertaining TV, and the fact that the whole industry was so white hot and able to generate so much hype for itself really helped make it exciting. It feels like a sort of perfect storm of late 90s culture, in a way. But as I grow older I really find myself preferring the air of legitimacy the stuff that came before (70s, 80s). It doesn't even have all that much to do with Vince stating wrestling was fixed, or anyone admitting anything of the sort. For me it's mostly the athletic presentation taking precedence over this combination of reality-tv style of entertainment mixed with spotfests that it's grown into.
Remember the Rock n Roll beating the Russians it was my first NWA TV show after we finally got the show here. Was hooked instantly after years of the WWF
Good point early by Jimmy. Sure, the years of the Andersons and then Steamboat and Youngblood were great drawing teams with their versions of the NWA world tag titles but back then, they were just one set of NWA world tag champs. By 85, it was just the Crockett version so their NWA World tag champs were THE NWA tag champs.
I live in Baltimore , 1st nwa show on tv was rock n roll express vs road warrior's for one hour . Never seen anything like it , incredible !!! LONG LIVE MIDNIGHT EXPRESS , JIM YOU ARE , " THE MAN " !
When the Russians, R&R, and Midnights were fighting over the World Tag titles, the Horsemen were still carrying the National Tag champions. Then they combined them with the US titles.
Jim needs to write a multivolume encyclopedia of the history of wrestling. “When wrestlers were men” can be the title of one volume. Obviously the last 15 years can be omitted
I wish the Midnight Express, Tully and Arn tag team championship match was televised at the 3rd Clash of the Champions. I don't see why it wasn't since they were building it on Tbs
I will always remember the interviews with NWA and US Tag Champs - Midnight Express. Also - Rude / Manny were great. They were the only team that could match up with LOD in terms of power. Both America's Team and The Super Powers were out due to also being fan favorites, except for the Crockett Cups. Rude and Manny shoulda taken that act everywhere.
The ONLY time on TV that Road Warriors were defeated with a clean pin (well PPV that is) was losing to the Steiners the during the Starrcade 89 Iron (4) team tournament.
Sgt Slaughter and Don Kernodle had an awesome feud with Ricky Steamboat and Jay Youngblood. That was followed the Steamboat Youngblood feud with the Briscos. It was so much fun to watch those masters of disaster Sgt Slaughter and Don Kernodle and the Briscos beat the snot out of Steamboat and Youngblood. Now that's wrestling.
Here are Slaughter and Kernodle executing the Team Corbra hold one of the most beautiful pieces of team work ever. th-cam.com/video/fIfvWNpIsyQ/w-d-xo.html
Here is Jack Brisco leaping to the aid of his brother Jerry Brisco because he was double teamed by those cheaters Ricky Steamboat and Jay Youngblood. th-cam.com/video/j8wrnS6HMxM/w-d-xo.html
After hearing all these old names from the NWA it makes me all the more happy that I have my NWA tabletop wrestling game. I have ALL the NWA stars mentioned here. Come to think of it, I have EVERYBODY in wrestling including Bobo Brazil. lol
Corny says the Midnights were the only team in the NWA to get a pinfall win on the Road Warriors, but Mike Rotunda and Steve Williams did at Clash of the Champions VI, when Teddy Long refused to count for the Road Warriors, the fast counted when Williams pinned Hawk.
I wish Cornette would answer this question on the air. Why was Philadelphia chosen, 8/16/1986 a house show, rather than the tv a taping for the rock n roll express to regain the nwa world tag titles. From a business point of view; face wins/then heel wins. Rock n Rolls win titles in Philadelphia followed by Nikita wins best of 7 over Magnum to win US title in Charlotte 8/17. Why couldnt both be taped for tv broadcast. I know the rock n roll title win over midnights was shown but only 3rd fall of 2/3 that included a commentary by a complaining cornette on TBS. BTW 8/16/86 was my first live show, living only some blocks away from the old Philadelphia Civic Center.
@@smyersfishingadventures True. I remember a lot of times when wrestling would come on, they'd say something like, "We've got a new World Heavyweight champion." Or, "We've got new World Tag Team champions."
One of my favorite promos of all time was The Road Warriors talking about the Russians, and Hawk said, "You've got a big yellow stripe, down your stinkin' Russian backs."
They had a good foundation of tag teams with the Rock and Roll Express, the Midnight Express, the Russians, The Andersons (Old and Arn) and the Road Warrior. But I prefer proper tag teams with tag team gimmicks, so was I not a fan of giving the tag titles to Fernandez and Rude. And while Blanchard and Anderson were a good team, I think Tully was awesome as a singles wrestler and was better on his own.
They actually lost the belts to Koloff and Murdoch but Murdoch got suspended so the Midnights beat them in a tourney for the belts. Also, the Road Warriors did lose even if by a fast count to The Varsity Club.
@@TerrickTerran close. Windham and Garvin beat Ivan Koloff and Krusher Kruschev, lost them to Murdoch and Ivan. Then the Murdoch suspension happened. Midnights beat Ron and Barry in the tournament final which I was off base on.
@@TheSupervillain316 ahhhhh yeah okay you got it right. It's a little confusing with the Russians & Dick Murdoch and Garvin & Windham in the mix. I had just posted a "correction" but even I was still off on what actually happened 😄😄😄
Yes Im glad you brought up the Road Warriors vs Jimmy Valiant/Pez Whatley vs the Road Warriors during Last Battle of Atlanta show. Damn did the road warriors over sell getting beat up and bumbs by Jimmy. It was embarrassing.
AEW ought to listen to Jim’s criticism because he is right it won’t fly to a national audience especially my dog pockets and masked announcer on television.
Honestly, after All Out, I think they do understand that alot of the fake wrestling wont fly. No Joey Ryan despite him being on BTE, Orange Cassidy not doing the "Brutal Shots" at All Out and actually doing a decent spot that worked to his advantage (the truest Suicide Dive), and bringing in Arn and Tully. He's got his dad's brains, his brother's advice, a cavalcade of old school guys acting as advisors, and enough commanding presence that he was able to secure the deal with Tony so he could strike while the iron is hot. It's not perfect but I trust Cody enough to make smart decisions considering he has WCW and TNA as perfect examples of what NOT to do.
Having Corny come in w/a old school Revival style team with Jim as the mouthpiece in a long program w/the Bucks would be ABSOLUTE GOLD But they can’t do “what’s best for business” They’ve made it pretty clear that if a talent publicly promotes a certain worldview they won’t be used. It’s stupid, and it’s what will ultimately separate AEW from WWE. Vince has a history of being willing to bury the hatchet with talent if it’s good for the bottom line. Vince has brought back people who sued him, held him up, walked out on him, testified against ( I think Hogan did all of em ) From multiple guys. I don’t see the Jackson’s bringing back someone who sued them, or testified against them in a criminal trial. What would happen if A drunk Joey Janella tweeted saying Nia Jax isn’t a real woman or something. Would they fire the bad boy? Would they hire someone who has a history of tweeting offensive stuff, like the Brisco Bros? Say HHH gets divorced from Steph and leaves the company. Would Cody bring him in?
Quite a few matches, though i doubt there is footage of it. 1 Match was in Florida on August, 26, 1987 They had several matches during the Great American Bash Tour 1988 (and in 1987 a common match was Road Warriors & Dusty Rhodes & Nikita Koloffs vs. The Four Horsemen) and some more House Show encounters in 1987 and 1988
Realest thing Corny has said... you're a real super star when you dont need the belts . Also, when superstars who have the belts cant have them taken off them because of the story line. This is why wrestling today is failing.
Glad Cornette mentioned Philadelphia and the two title changes there. He did an incredible job of creating heat with the Horsemen at that time. Loved the Midnight Express turning babyface, and holding both titles at the same time. I remember going to the Civic Center every month for several years back then. Amazing matches, amazing crowds, amazing times. Best wrestling I’d ever seen up until that time, nothing like that again until the ECW Arena in South Philadelphia a decade later, and never since
I listened to Arn verbatim say him and Tully met with Vince the day they dropped the tag team belts and Arn went straight from commiting to Vince in Stamford at his house to Philadelphia and told Dusty him and Tully were leaving to go to WWE and asked Dusty if he personally could drop the belts to his friend Bobby Eaton so SOME of this sounds accurate but someone Arn or Cornette is getting forgetful..Also if this was a "fresh money" match why was it not televised nor on a pay per view?
They had only been feuding 6 weeks. They would've had the Blow off at the Bash or Starcade. With what they were drawing at the House shows no reason to give it away free on TV. It was Hot angle at its time. www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DBxaGPadJmco&ved=2ahUKEwjvlqGy-ubmAhWLLc0KHTIoCMgQwqsBMAB6BAgGEAQ&usg=AOvVaw2cm49hroX9gleCFicRyxXp
@@Wadzillia at this time the tv tapings were filmed at live shows and not in that wcw studio so youd still draw house and money from commercials or even at the very next ppv. Whatever was coming before they left filming it at a live show even then showing it a a ppv taped would have made more sense even. Not showing it AT ALL makes zero sense and even less money. How many fans would have known arn and Tully were even gone from wcw if they would have filmed and aired and made money doing so both ways via the house and on tv or ppv unless the brain busters had debuted on wwe by that time? Not many as the dirt sheets were hard to find without the existence of internet.
@@wrestlingsrealnews7000 I went to Greenville every Monday night in the 80s to the House show. Greenville usually averaged between 6 and 7 thousand fans. Every 6 weeks we went to Spartanburg TV tapings it held 2 thousand fans. Wrestlers did get paid for Commercials. Cornette said only he got 100 dollars for a Spartanburg TV taping. At Greenville he got payed between 700 to thousand. In those days you got payed what you drawed. That's why they didn't like giving away stuff for free.
@@Wadzillia hence why I said this match SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN given away to just the house..if they had filmed it AT ALL it's still be getting views to this day. From my knowledge of it not one taping exists.
I read about that match in one of the wrestling magazines not too long after it happened. Apparently Jim Cornette nailed Animal in the back with his tennis rack and the Midnights got the pin. So yeah, that was the fix...
Cornette said something Ive only vaguely heard about. Ricky & Robert dropped the titles to Rude & Bull because RRX were having problems with the office....What about money?
I can think of at least twice, when it happened. Both in 1989, Clash of the Champions 6 in New Orleans by Mike Rotundo and Dr Death when Teddy Long turned heel. And at Starrcade during the Iron Team Tournament they won the tournament but were pinned by The Steiners.
The titles were finally deactivated and retired in July 1992. The last title holders were The Barbarian and Dick Slater. The belts did set vacant for a period of nine months from May 1989 to Feb 1990, which at the time seemed like they were retired.
road warriors always made top $$ that was their championship belt. you couldn't debate when their legitimacy based on the famous 'Road Warrior Pop' and $$
Congrats. Even though it's a grim reminder of the passage of time. Not bull shiting just because it's Jim show. Him and the midnight were in competition with Flair for my most despised heels. In fact I might go so far as to say Jim was the best heel manager. HOLD ON! Stop throwing shit at me like I had just leg dropped Savage. Heenan at least in the years I started watching.(83 or 84) Was definitely a heel. But more often than not you end up laughing at something he did or at something that was done to him. Personally I can't hate a guy that makes me laugh on a regular basis. Jim on the other hand......buddy you just wanted to see someone get that sum bitch. lol Didn't matter who. "We know he's going to screw over Ricky and Robert! Why is this stuff allowed damn it"
As far as credibility with the audience is concerned, it makes absolutely no sense for the most badass, invincible team to not be champions for years at a time. If they can't be beat, then they should be the ones holding the belts most of the time logically. This is a case where WWF did a far better job with Demolition's three reigns.
I always felt the Road Warriors should of won the Titles in 86 against the Midnight. It would have sent them to the moon. To be the first team to be AWA and NWA World tag belts. I know it might have been done before but not to this level. You could of got them to drop it. You could of had the Midnight get them to do something to get the titles strip from them the win the title match with a DQ are count out. I always felt them winning it in 88 took away from that. I felt it was cheep
Christian Boddie I disagree. It was before we were all “smart.” People hated Bull for what he did to Boogie Woogie. And Rude knew how to upset the people. And when they beat the Rock & Roll on TV, it was a total shock and they really had a lot of steam for the year 1987.
Michael Hunziker I completely agree with that. I think that Paul got that run as payback for his loyalty to the Crockett’s. I mean before that he had Teijo Khan, a young Barbarian and Shaska Whatley. Not exactly the second coming of the Horsemen.
erictoniaschwab1009 Dusty was a great booker when he was hot but I thought putting the titles on those two made no sense. The tag titles were hot in 1986. The MX-RNR had a hellacious feud over them. Then the RNR had a great program with the Andersons, culminating in that great match at Starrcade 86. The RNR came out of that match “beat up” and then drop the belts to a team that just formed. I mean it made Rude & Bull look weak and to be blunt after a year where Cornette dominates the scene you put your tag titles on a secondary team with a blah manager like Paul Jones? Dumb.
I remember ALL this. Watched ALL this. An era and decade I sorely miss.
GOOD for YOU.
Lucky bastard!! Before my time in a land far away.... thank fuck for video!
You and me both
@@PeteUnsigned Yup, I'm a New Yorker and as a kid I only ever knew about the wwf. I only wish I could say it was before my time.
Tag teams were good in all 3 major federations at the time '83-'88
An era in wrestling that will never again be replicated!
So true ✌✌
Sadly no.
Sucks now
Jim and Dusty.... Both pathetic !!
Because wrestling is gone. What is running now is something else. Territories are gone so all newcomers are groomed in a studio.
The first card of professional wrestling I ever went to was in Baltimore, main evented by Harley Race and Ric Flair inside a steel cage for the NWA Title, but me, my brother and my grandfather went to the matches primarily to see the ROAD WARRIORS that October 1984 night!!!!
Jims' Dusty impressions are the best!
Don't do shit you don't know how to do.
Cactus Jack I use that at work now lol miss the good o days
I jutht got thuper kicked bah the Great Kabuki
Rock and Roll, Midnight Express, Road Warriors, Tully and Arn, the Russians, Mulkey Boys....best time in wrestling for me. Loved 6:05 on Saturday night. It was our pre-game before a night out. Thanks to Jim for keeping those days alive
Michael Hunziker Absolutely it was. A heck of a way to start a Saturday evening.
Mulkey boys??? 😄😄😄🤷🏽♂️
Soul of a NERD Mulkey-Mania, dawg! I still remember when they defeated the West Coast tag team champions, The Gladiators!
@@erictoniaschwab1009 that was insane 😆😆😆. Everyone in that studio lost their minds! Classic moment
I just know you didn't just add The Mulkey Brothers. 🤣😂
I remember seeing Bull and Rude vs. Rock N' Roll at the Bunkhouse Stampede finals in Pittsburgh. Great time for wrestling.
In 1986 I started watching NWA on what is now called TBS and they hooked me with those story lines so much so that since WCW I have not gotten into any other wrestling
Yes it was tbs in 86
The Road Warriors never needed the belts, But I Loved it when they had the NWA National Tag Team belts and then the AWA World Tag Team Belts on them. Those Title belts made them even more Bad Ass!
I love Him for the history of wrestling. Especially anything pre 96. I hope we get all his history either written or verbally before he passes on. I have understood more on the past of wrestling, and gained respect after learning it all from people like Jimmy... Especially Jimmy.
Yes. I especially liked the stories in his book. I have a better understanding of why kayfabe meant so much to him. People made sacrifices to preserve it for the sake of other wrestlers. He wants that to be honored. I can respect that.
Jim nails it here. This was the best era for Tag Team Wrestling. Watching a match between the Midnight and the Rock and Roll was pure gold! As for the Road Warriors? Again Jim nails it. You wanted to the warriors to destroy whoever they were fighting, belts didn’t matter.
Dusty Rhodes was a pure genius at booking! Old School NWA was killing wwf
until WCW came!
Loved those US Tag Team belts. Such a great time to watch wrestling.
Cornette talking about anything territory days are better than the crap put on today.
What we're going through is more reality TV than wrestling. And reality TV was staged drama, vehicles for hack actors.
I agree with you on this.
This booking he's describing was brilliant master work. I was witnessing it all from '85 with The Russians all the way to '88 with Midnights turning face. Every step of this process was awesome to watch, particularly the Midnight v Horsemen build up which seemed out of nowhere but made total sense at the time. Always great build up with angles back then! On a side note that Rude and Bull tag team was special, loved that team.
Soul of a NERD That period was when tag team wrestling was equal with singles. I can remember being more excited for the tag matches on the card. Even in the WWF you had great tag teams like the Bulldogs, Hart Foundation, Rougeaus, Islanders (loved them!) and Demolition.
@@erictoniaschwab1009 agreed!
I miss the days of thoughtful booking and storytelling
80s! Greatest Era of Professional Wrestling of all Time !!
Debatable but definitely highly up there. The late 90s were amazing, as well as the mid-late 70s with Iron Sheik, Superstar, Bruno, Hansen, Harley and many others.
@@thomasanthony5306 I guess it depends on what you're looking to find in wrestling. I grew up watching in the late 90s, and definitely think the attitude era produced some incredibly entertaining TV, and the fact that the whole industry was so white hot and able to generate so much hype for itself really helped make it exciting. It feels like a sort of perfect storm of late 90s culture, in a way. But as I grow older I really find myself preferring the air of legitimacy the stuff that came before (70s, 80s). It doesn't even have all that much to do with Vince stating wrestling was fixed, or anyone admitting anything of the sort. For me it's mostly the athletic presentation taking precedence over this combination of reality-tv style of entertainment mixed with spotfests that it's grown into.
Sensational Sherri was the one invincible thing in wrestling in the 80s
God i loved that woman
The nwa match I saw was the midnight express vs garvin and windham for the us tag team titles and I was hooked ever since
4:59 It’s hilarious how people automatically bust out a Dusty impersonation, when speaking about him, baby
There's a few select wrestling voices you just gotta do when you talk about them. Dusty is one, Macho Man is definitely another one
JJ we’ve beat everybody else but you, but’s it hard to beat somebody when you’ve never had a match with them. That was an amazing promo.
"You just remember that..FRIEND!!!!"
The look JJ had on his face was priceless. He was like " No this fool didn't just diss ME like that?"
Remember the Rock n Roll beating the Russians it was my first NWA TV show after we finally got the show here. Was hooked instantly after years of the WWF
Me too , great times
Unforgettable
Yes I remember seeing that match
Good point early by Jimmy. Sure, the years of the Andersons and then Steamboat and Youngblood were great drawing teams with their versions of the NWA world tag titles but back then, they were just one set of NWA world tag champs. By 85, it was just the Crockett version so their NWA World tag champs were THE NWA tag champs.
I could listen to jim all day! Lol He's definitely one of my top 5 in wrestling.
I live in Baltimore , 1st nwa show on tv was rock n roll express vs road warrior's for one hour . Never seen anything like it , incredible !!! LONG LIVE MIDNIGHT EXPRESS , JIM YOU ARE , " THE MAN " !
Pretty sure rock and roll never faced the Road Warriors in the NWA
I loved the old NWA wrestling days!!!
First NWA match I ever saw was the Road Warriors vs rude and bull
When the Russians, R&R, and Midnights were fighting over the World Tag titles, the Horsemen were still carrying the National Tag champions. Then they combined them with the US titles.
Jim needs to write a multivolume encyclopedia of the history of wrestling.
“When wrestlers were men” can be the title of one volume.
Obviously the last 15 years can be omitted
I grew up on this era of wrestling and miss it!
Jim and brian, keep up the great work!!!👍
Jim is a living Encyclopedia of Professional Wrestling.
He's also an encyclopedia of misinformation at times.
I wish the Midnight Express, Tully and Arn tag team championship match was televised at the 3rd Clash of the Champions. I don't see why it wasn't since they were building it on Tbs
I will always remember the interviews with NWA and US Tag Champs - Midnight Express. Also - Rude / Manny were great. They were the only team that could match up with LOD in terms of power. Both America's Team and The Super Powers were out due to also being fan favorites, except for the Crockett Cups. Rude and Manny shoulda taken that act everywhere.
The ONLY time on TV that Road Warriors were defeated with a clean pin (well PPV that is) was losing to the Steiners the during the Starrcade 89 Iron (4) team tournament.
Yeah, the lost via pin to the Varsity Club but that was due to Teddy Long’s fast count
Horsemen vs Midnights feud would've help the NWA greatly
On paper that looks great but how would it really look and work in practice??
@@FaceTheFactsNews you serious the promos alone would've been money
Where's the Midnight Express theme music? ❤️ old NWA ( World class, Mid-Atlantic, Georgia, etc....etc....)
Awesome artist!👍
The Chase
Sgt Slaughter and Don Kernodle had an awesome feud with Ricky Steamboat and Jay Youngblood. That was followed the Steamboat Youngblood feud with the Briscos. It was so much fun to watch those masters of disaster Sgt Slaughter and Don Kernodle and the Briscos beat the snot out of Steamboat and Youngblood. Now that's wrestling.
Here are Slaughter and Kernodle executing the Team Corbra hold one of the most beautiful pieces of team work ever. th-cam.com/video/fIfvWNpIsyQ/w-d-xo.html
Here is Jack Brisco leaping to the aid of his brother Jerry Brisco because he was double teamed by those cheaters Ricky Steamboat and Jay Youngblood. th-cam.com/video/j8wrnS6HMxM/w-d-xo.html
Rude and Bull were badass team idc !
Yes they were
The angle of Andre n Road Warriors never thought of it like that never needed the belts but how would u lose to them u learn something new everyday
Tag teams were good in all 3 major federations back then '83-'88.
After hearing all these old names from the NWA it makes me all the more happy that I have my NWA tabletop wrestling game. I have ALL the NWA stars mentioned here. Come to think of it, I have EVERYBODY in wrestling including Bobo Brazil. lol
@Smith Hart What's with you being a pile of bullshit, ya bigger punk.
Corny says the Midnights were the only team in the NWA to get a pinfall win on the Road Warriors, but Mike Rotunda and Steve Williams did at Clash of the Champions VI, when Teddy Long refused to count for the Road Warriors, the fast counted when Williams pinned Hawk.
You had to be mega stars to be put over by the LOD back then. Midnight Express are my all time favorites.
I wish Cornette would answer this question on the air. Why was Philadelphia chosen, 8/16/1986 a house show, rather than the tv a taping for the rock n roll express to regain the nwa world tag titles. From a business point of view; face wins/then heel wins. Rock n Rolls win titles in Philadelphia followed by Nikita wins best of 7 over Magnum to win US title in Charlotte 8/17. Why couldnt both be taped for tv broadcast. I know the rock n roll title win over midnights was shown but only 3rd fall of 2/3 that included a commentary by a complaining cornette on TBS. BTW 8/16/86 was my first live show, living only some blocks away from the old Philadelphia Civic Center.
That was common back then at that time . TV taping title changes were actually not that typical.
@@smyersfishingadventures True. I remember a lot of times when wrestling would come on, they'd say something like, "We've got a new World Heavyweight champion." Or, "We've got new World Tag Team champions."
Some great booking
Corny does a really good Dusty imitation 😆
Cornette is brilliant when it comes to proper wrestling booking.
road warriors were the tag team equivalent of andre the giant.
Absolutely 100% correct!
One of my favorite promos of all time was The Road Warriors talking about the Russians, and Hawk said, "You've got a big yellow stripe, down your stinkin' Russian backs."
They had a good foundation of tag teams with the Rock and Roll Express, the Midnight Express, the Russians, The Andersons (Old and Arn) and the Road Warrior. But I prefer proper tag teams with tag team gimmicks, so was I not a fan of giving the tag titles to Fernandez and Rude. And while Blanchard and Anderson were a good team, I think Tully was awesome as a singles wrestler and was better on his own.
I was happy - My Four Horsemen and Midnight Express dominated ...and when they lost, it was always to credibile talent
Great Shoot Today Jim!!😎🐐🐐
I always felt the WWF should have created an IC tag title because there were a lot of teams deserving of a belt
Larry Masullo Particularly in that era. It would been great!
Interesting idea
Pro Wrestling Illustrated actually did a story about that in late 87 or early 88
NWA tag titles were crazy over back then,. No other tag title has come close.
As a booker, I always thought of Dusty as being like Babe Ruth. He had a lot of great home runs but when he struck out…damn. 😆
10:39 Cornette just put Jericho over! 😁😁😁
Wonder if Corny was enjoying the 🍾.
haha. The memes of that is still going strong.
September 10, 1988 was my 29th birthday.
Jericho is going to get every sentence in the English language over by the time he retired in 3030. He'll still be doing moonsaults.
Chris Jericho truly is the single most greatest professional wrestler in the world.if you don't believe it just ask me I'll tell ya.
Don't talk about the challenger kid
LMAO
Loved to have been a fly on the wall for that one.!
Correct, Garvin and Windham won the US tag tournament and lost them to the Midnights
They actually lost the belts to Koloff and Murdoch but Murdoch got suspended so the Midnights beat them in a tourney for the belts. Also, the Road Warriors did lose even if by a fast count to The Varsity Club.
@@TerrickTerran close. Windham and Garvin beat Ivan Koloff and Krusher Kruschev, lost them to Murdoch and Ivan. Then the Murdoch suspension happened. Midnights beat Ron and Barry in the tournament final which I was off base on.
TheSupervillain316 That was a great tournament. The MX really made the US Tag belts very important
@@TheSupervillain316 ahhhhh yeah okay you got it right. It's a little confusing with the Russians & Dick Murdoch and Garvin & Windham in the mix. I had just posted a "correction" but even I was still off on what actually happened 😄😄😄
Garvin and Windham beat Krusher and Ivan after they had won the US tag title tourney over the Kansas Jayhawks
Yes Im glad you brought up the Road Warriors vs Jimmy Valiant/Pez Whatley vs the Road Warriors during Last Battle of Atlanta show. Damn did the road warriors over sell getting beat up and bumbs by Jimmy. It was embarrassing.
AEW ought to listen to Jim’s criticism because he is right it won’t fly to a national audience especially my dog pockets and masked announcer on television.
arn anderson signed, tony signed. If they can do some stuff from the past there is a chance.
Honestly, after All Out, I think they do understand that alot of the fake wrestling wont fly. No Joey Ryan despite him being on BTE, Orange Cassidy not doing the "Brutal Shots" at All Out and actually doing a decent spot that worked to his advantage (the truest Suicide Dive), and bringing in Arn and Tully. He's got his dad's brains, his brother's advice, a cavalcade of old school guys acting as advisors, and enough commanding presence that he was able to secure the deal with Tony so he could strike while the iron is hot. It's not perfect but I trust Cody enough to make smart decisions considering he has WCW and TNA as perfect examples of what NOT to do.
Having Corny come in w/a old school Revival style team with Jim as the mouthpiece in a long program w/the Bucks would be ABSOLUTE GOLD
But they can’t do
“what’s best for business”
They’ve made it pretty clear that if a talent publicly promotes a certain worldview they won’t be used.
It’s stupid, and it’s what will ultimately separate AEW from WWE. Vince has a history of being willing to bury the hatchet with talent if it’s good for the bottom line.
Vince has brought back people who sued him, held him up, walked out on him, testified against
( I think Hogan did all of em )
From multiple guys.
I don’t see the Jackson’s bringing back someone who sued them, or testified against them in a criminal trial.
What would happen if A drunk Joey Janella tweeted saying Nia Jax isn’t a real woman or something. Would they fire the bad boy?
Would they hire someone who has a history of tweeting offensive stuff, like the Brisco Bros?
Say HHH gets divorced from Steph and leaves the company. Would Cody bring him in?
With Arn being there should Help.
how do i send jim a question? can anyone ask him his thoughts on some less remembered wrestlers like Damien Domento, Adam Bomb, Crush
CornyDriveThru@gmail.com
Love the fuck'n art work !
Ivan and Krusher were the first US tag team champions the Midnight were the 4 champions not the second or first
Did the Road Warriors ever wrestle Arn & Tully in a tag match other than at Starrcade 87? Is their footage of it? Was there any house show matches?
Quite a few matches, though i doubt there is footage of it.
1 Match was in Florida on August, 26, 1987
They had several matches during the Great American Bash Tour 1988 (and in 1987 a common match was Road Warriors & Dusty Rhodes & Nikita Koloffs vs. The Four Horsemen) and some more House Show encounters in 1987 and 1988
I was at that event and still have the program from it! It happened on Thanksgiving night. Still remember it.
This is what makes the tag teams interesting this is good booking.
Realest thing Corny has said... you're a real super star when you dont need the belts . Also, when superstars who have the belts cant have them taken off them because of the story line. This is why wrestling today is failing.
The 80s was the best decade for wrestling in NWA
Manny Fernandez is a straight up bull sitter
I'm looking for my dog his name is Pockets 😂 sorry
teach that dog to roll over and play dead.
Don't be surprised if Tony Khan books a similar angle very soon
Glad Cornette mentioned Philadelphia and the two title changes there. He did an incredible job of creating heat with the Horsemen at that time. Loved the Midnight Express turning babyface, and holding both titles at the same time. I remember going to the Civic Center every month for several years back then. Amazing matches, amazing crowds, amazing times. Best wrestling I’d ever seen up until that time, nothing like that again until the ECW Arena in South Philadelphia a decade later, and never since
DUSTY'S brilliance ended with his stubbornness to give fans their PAYOFF..
I listened to Arn verbatim say him and Tully met with Vince the day they dropped the tag team belts and Arn went straight from commiting to Vince in Stamford at his house to Philadelphia and told Dusty him and Tully were leaving to go to WWE and asked Dusty if he personally could drop the belts to his friend Bobby Eaton so SOME of this sounds accurate but someone Arn or Cornette is getting forgetful..Also if this was a "fresh money" match why was it not televised nor on a pay per view?
They had only been feuding 6 weeks. They would've had the Blow off at the Bash or Starcade. With what they were drawing at the House shows no reason to give it away free on TV. It was Hot angle at its time. www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DBxaGPadJmco&ved=2ahUKEwjvlqGy-ubmAhWLLc0KHTIoCMgQwqsBMAB6BAgGEAQ&usg=AOvVaw2cm49hroX9gleCFicRyxXp
@@Wadzillia at this time the tv tapings were filmed at live shows and not in that wcw studio so youd still draw house and money from commercials or even at the very next ppv. Whatever was coming before they left filming it at a live show even then showing it a a ppv taped would have made more sense even. Not showing it AT ALL makes zero sense and even less money. How many fans would have known arn and Tully were even gone from wcw if they would have filmed and aired and made money doing so both ways via the house and on tv or ppv unless the brain busters had debuted on wwe by that time? Not many as the dirt sheets were hard to find without the existence of internet.
@@wrestlingsrealnews7000 I went to Greenville every Monday night in the 80s to the House show. Greenville usually averaged between 6 and 7 thousand fans. Every 6 weeks we went to Spartanburg TV tapings it held 2 thousand fans. Wrestlers did get paid for Commercials. Cornette said only he got 100 dollars for a Spartanburg TV taping. At Greenville he got payed between 700 to thousand. In those days you got payed what you drawed. That's why they didn't like giving away stuff for free.
@@Wadzillia hence why I said this match SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN given away to just the house..if they had filmed it AT ALL it's still be getting views to this day. From my knowledge of it not one taping exists.
@@wrestlingsrealnews7000 They wouldn't gonna send the Production team to Philly for a house show.
Midnight Express beat the Road Warriors? The match had to be fixed
Gold.
@Metropcs Metropcs I think I am going to cry
I read about that match in one of the wrestling magazines not too long after it happened. Apparently Jim Cornette nailed Animal in the back with his tennis rack and the Midnights got the pin. So yeah, that was the fix...
one word genius
Norfolk scope VA April or May 1990 the road warriors were pinned by doom
Why does Tully look like Bill Dundee?
Great times on tv
I watched it on Saturday night. Dark times in a little boys life.
The Warriors got pinned by Williams & Rotunda to lose the titles when Teddy Long turned heel and started managing…
Cornette said something Ive only vaguely heard about. Ricky & Robert dropped the titles to Rude & Bull because RRX were having problems with the office....What about money?
Look up sawyer and wahoo vs the road warriors. The rw certainly bumped then.
I can't recall the Road Warriors getting pinned in NWA. It's uncanny.
I can think of at least twice, when it happened. Both in 1989, Clash of the Champions 6 in New Orleans by Mike Rotundo and Dr Death when Teddy Long turned heel. And at Starrcade during the Iron Team Tournament they won the tournament but were pinned by The Steiners.
Wish I was born too see it
Who retired the US belts ?
The titles were finally deactivated and retired in July 1992. The last title holders were The Barbarian and Dick Slater. The belts did set vacant for a period of nine months from May 1989 to Feb 1990, which at the time seemed like they were retired.
JCP from 1980 to 1988 was the best wrestling promotion in the business. Much better than WWE cartoon stuff
If only the Arn/Tully-Midnight Express feud went longer…
road warriors always made top $$ that was their championship belt. you couldn't debate when their legitimacy based on the famous 'Road Warrior Pop' and $$
Congrats. Even though it's a grim reminder of the passage of time.
Not bull shiting just because it's Jim show. Him and the midnight were in competition with Flair for my most despised heels.
In fact I might go so far as to say Jim was the best heel manager. HOLD ON! Stop throwing shit at me like I had just leg dropped Savage. Heenan at least in the years I started watching.(83 or 84) Was definitely a heel. But more often than not you end up laughing at something he did or at something that was done to him. Personally I can't hate a guy that makes me laugh on a regular basis. Jim on the other hand......buddy you just wanted to see someone get that sum bitch. lol Didn't matter who. "We know he's going to screw over Ricky and Robert! Why is this stuff allowed damn it"
Wish I could win the jackpot lottery. I’d create 4-5 old fashioned NWA territories and have inter- territorial events. More crowd interaction.
As far as credibility with the audience is concerned, it makes absolutely no sense for the most badass, invincible team to not be champions for years at a time. If they can't be beat, then they should be the ones holding the belts most of the time logically. This is a case where WWF did a far better job with Demolition's three reigns.
I always felt the Road Warriors should of won the Titles in 86 against the Midnight. It would have sent them to the moon. To be the first team to be AWA and NWA World tag belts. I know it might have been done before but not to this level. You could of got them to drop it. You could of had the Midnight get them to do something to get the titles strip from them the win the title match with a DQ are count out. I always felt them winning it in 88 took away from that. I felt it was cheep
If anyone thinks Jericho shouldn't be AEW champion out of the gate... Look at everyone in the industry constantly repeating his bubbly schtick
Midnight were the greatest tag team dusty new thar
910 lol
Rude & Bull was a lame team. I have no idea why Dusty gave them the titles.
Christian Boddie I disagree. It was before we were all “smart.” People hated Bull for what he did to Boogie Woogie. And Rude knew how to upset the people. And when they beat the Rock & Roll on TV, it was a total shock and they really had a lot of steam for the year 1987.
They did good work. Someone had to do it. They didn't really need Paul Jones, in my opinion.
Michael Hunziker I completely agree with that. I think that Paul got that run as payback for his loyalty to the Crockett’s. I mean before that he had Teijo Khan, a young Barbarian and Shaska Whatley. Not exactly the second coming of the Horsemen.
erictoniaschwab1009 Dusty was a great booker when he was hot but I thought putting the titles on those two made no sense. The tag titles were hot in 1986. The MX-RNR had a hellacious feud over them. Then the RNR had a great program with the Andersons, culminating in that great match at Starrcade 86. The RNR came out of that match “beat up” and then drop the belts to a team that just formed. I mean it made Rude & Bull look weak and to be blunt after a year where Cornette dominates the scene you put your tag titles on a secondary team with a blah manager like Paul Jones? Dumb.
@@cbod14 It made no sense.
None of these geriatric teams can lace the Young Bucs boots 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
H OC Hi, Mark. I’m Eric. Pleased to meet you.
The 80s was the best decade for wrestling in NWA