Radeon Vega: Frontier Edition Review | AMD's Enigma
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- We review the new AMD Vega: Frontier Edition (FE) video card in thermals, power, noise, Blender, Maya, 3DS Max, and gaming.
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Thumbs up for saying "FE" for every other video card described. Full article is here, with a couple extra charts: www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/2973-amd-vega-frontier-edition-reviewed-too-soon-to-call
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So, how high were you able to clock the core?
Said that in the video.
Gamers Nexus This was a very balanced review, good job guys
5.48min. 1682 highest but unstable
around 1680ish with some hiccusps, around 1660ish stable but hbm clocked down.
you almost did a linus @ 22:34
linus /ˈlaɪ nəs/
*verb (used with object) , noun*
1.
_dropping things_
That Titan X almost got linus'd by him.
2.
_an action as dropping things_
He almost did a linus to that laptop.
I was able to achieve 1696 / 1100 on my Vega FE. I noticed that other programs such as Afterburner would interfere with Wattman, but once those were disabled I didn't have any issues. As with the Fury X, overclocking the HBM seemed to increase performance a decent amount.
Good to know. We'll look into that and see if it was some sort of overlay causing the issue. Thanks for the info!
COLDM010 i wish amd would allow for crimson software without wattman, wattman as far as ive seen is very buggy
when you first started OCing the card did you encounter the same bug as steve did? that HBM speed drop looked worring.
i just had a thought, how about rerun a few of the tests and watch the HBM speed and see if it's throttling. with the HBM being right next to the die this may be a good idea of inquiry.
you are 100% correct, shits the bed on my 290x
I wish they went back to what they had previously
pretty good for it not being optimized we can squeeze some more performance with a diff cooler and some drivers.
*optimism*
That mini heart attack I had at 22:35
Tech Showdown I hope that you're OK.
Once again, nothing but a respectful and educational review. Thanks GN.
Being first, let me go ahead and lay down some ground rules for this comments section. I wanna see a good clean discussion. No flame wars, no name calling, no fanboyism, and especially no use of the word "shill".
Jeremy Clayton Shill
Sounds like something a shill would say.
I ain't taking no advice from no stinky Batman shill. Superman was way better.
Crap, they're on to me boys, gotta run off in the shillmobile.
AMD SUXXXXXX
Titan Xp isnt a prosumer card. Kepler TItans were, those things were really prosumer. TXp is basically a gaming card. Nvidia nerfed the Titan line :P
Awesome, balanced review, thank you for the time effort and for going out and purchasing the card itself.
Steve please don't be worry about the shit you're getting just because you say something bad about AMD.
You are very good reviewer and I just want you to keep doing what you're doing, and provide us with fair reviews :)
Are we getting shit? We didn't even call it "bad."
Thank you, though!
Here's one *shrug*
www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6krmtu/gamersnexus_vega_fe_review/djobi5q/
Facts are facts. Its shit, confirmed.
Alvin1020 just a little long winded. 10 minutes to explain where the card fit.
What shit? Look at the like to dislike ratio. 100% aren't going to like the video but that is true of everything.
your coverage is always so crazy in depth, great work!
my hand unconsciously tried to hold the gpu when it looks about to fall lol
Thanks for putting so much time and effort into what you do. I turn to GN exclusively when I want meticulous testing and in depth explanations of the details. You're a real pro!
Everyone please watch the entire video before commenting...
This is the most comprehensive video for a GPU, I have ever seen. WoW, no wonder people refer to your channel often.
Thank you, this was a lot of work.
Seriously, I'm just beginning my research into building a rig, and this taught me more than the big name yt persons.
@@darthanddedeu2580 Right!
Are you planning to build a PC?
Last time I was this early AMD made graphics cards that made sense.
Why doesn't this make sense? Considering it's not a gaming card that outperforms more expensive Nvidia alternatives like the Titan XPp.
You read the article? The card performs worse in rendering times and has worse temperatures than a Titan Xp
Just a reality check: It is not accurate to say "Vega: FE outperforms Titan Xp" as a blanket statement. It outperformed, of our tests, in Creo, Catia, and medical. It was beaten by Titan Xp in gaming, power consumption, Blender rendering, 3DS Max, and Maya.
It would make sense if I was part of some fledgling indie game company with only a few dozen employees.
So it beat the Tiatn XP half the time for $200 less. Got it THX
I like the two cards stacked on top of each other on the rotating platform, you should do that more often it looks really cool.
So a slightly "cut down" RX version of this card (Same shader count, less HBM etc) would perform basically the same especially if they increase the clock speeds at all. Seeing as how this performed slightly below the GTX 1080 and the fact that AMD always prices their consumer cards aggressively i'd say we have something to look forward to with RX Vega. AMD not competing with Nvidia on the highest of high end doesn't mean they've failed, It just means your only option there is Nvidia which is fine considering the majority of gamers buy mid-range cards anyway.
Also if they do make an actual cut-down version with less shaders (Like with the 7950/7970, R9 290/290X, 480 vs 470 etc) we could end up with a card outperforming a GTX 1070 at a lower price or equal price. This is just my assessment of info here i'm not making any assumptions but i am interested to see how it plays out. I'm currently rocking a GTX 970 with a Freesync monitor so upgrading to an AMD card that competes with a GTX 1070 for less money would be nice and seems plausible at this point.
Joe Dirt Lower price? Vega has a huge die, slow vram that can't clock very high at all and on top of that is incredibly expensive to make ... this has fail written all over it and by the time the RX Vega comes out Volta will crush it.
My use of yt subs as a gamer then builder started with Linus, then migrated to Jay, and has now ended here. This has become my go to sub for info and reviews. I dig Jay and Linus for helping me get here. Apparently now I'm less a chooser of a sub as entertainment (Linus), or a sub as hard info and entertainment (Jay), and now just needing a sub for the hard and quick info that also teaches me, which is this sub. While I'll always revisit Jay and Linus, as a 48 year old gamer and builder, this is now my home. I want the info detailed, and all viewpoints, and direct and to the point, and I want to learn more than I know. J and L (and Tek Syndicate somewhat) helped to educate me to the point that brought me here.
I still think RX Vega will surprise us. This card was usually a few percent ahead of the Fury X throughout the game benchmarks, but it has the same number of cores, and a ~60% higher clockspeed. There is no way that an extra 600 MHz over a Fury X would only amount to like 10% higher performance. And that's if Vega was an identical architecture to Fiji. Which it isn't. There's just no way Vega could actually be that slow in games, but I'm guessing that the RX variant with regular RX drivers is going to be a much more compelling card. I don't want to speculate how fast it will be, but it should be faster than this. I hope. But if it isn't, AMD can still stick Nvidia with the price and have a compelling card.
GERMANATOR444 Same. Math just doesn't add up. a whole new arch, with so many named improvements ,clockspeed increase. Also they took a dig at Volta with "Poor Volta" stuff which means they were confideny about being able to defeat 1080 easily but here we are
Agreed.
The bug was only happening while they were overclocking though, just to point that out. Running stock, the HBM2 was running as intended. Sorry if that's what you actually meant!
what bug on HBM2? I hope you aren't just making assumptions. there are many more possible reasons in the GPU for how it manages clock speeds and power consumption and temperature that could be causing issues with older drivers. why the jump to HBM2 bug?
GERMANATOR444 IPC regression
22:30 ....... almost fall ........ @.@
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\* lay them flat in the next shot \*
I got a small heart attack from that aswell :S
Good review, i would also add that AMD normally optimize their cards as time goes to hit like 10-15% better performance
Why can't anyone just live in reality? Vega doesn't "suck" and it doesn't "blow Nvidia out of the water." AMD is doing what they ALWAYS do, which is offer similar performance, at a reasonable price. That's all. Not sure how people haven't caught on by now. They are never blowing Intel or Nvidia away, they are always nipping at their heels at a better price. Which HAS it's place in the market.
gamer taboo a much cheaper certified Quadro p4000 is better than this piece of garbage. this is not a real workstation card. this is a slightly cheaper alternative for hobby or small indie dev people than the Titan XP that performs worse in the tasks that it should have been doing. don't you get it?
That card is 1000$ though
Considering this is, >500mm² die with hbm2, amd won't be able to seriously undercut nvidia, if at all.
gamer taboo Absolutely agree taboo but why try to explain logic to youtubers.. we really don't know where the "RX" vega will end up until it's actually available and at what specific price. Personally I'm okay with a 1080 competitor if the price is right. This being said, I'm actually still good with my RX480 at the moment though and will not be in the market for a new gpu until later in 2018. By that time RX vega should be well out with driver updates and I'll consider it along with Nvidia's offerings at that time. For those in the market right now, I feel for them as gpu prices and availability are terrible due to this cryptomining situation.
I know it competes with a Titan XP on the workstation side, and WAY underperforms on the gaming side, so THIS specific card, the FE, really doesn't have a place really anywhere in my opinion. They say it's for workstation with some gaming, but it doesn't do all that great on the gaming side just beating out a 1070 most of the time. It scored quite well in a few things but I'm not sure how many people will blow a grand just for those programs. I'm sure there will be some. My main point was that, like they say in the video, and like we saw in a really early sneak peek (I wanna say CES back in January maybe? can't remember), when RX Vega releases I think it will directly compete with a GTX 1080. Around the same performance for slightly cheaper, maybe? THAT has it's place in the market. Though Hydrochloric Acid made a good point, makes you wonder what the price will be for RX Vega.... They might only have one stack of HBM2 at 8GB. Though they did HBM in the Fury/x and kept the price reasonable at a time when nobody did HBM.... Who knows I suppose. But either way, even though this specific card doesn't make a ton of sense, I believe RX Vega will fit in. Maybe they released this to sort of temper expectations or something.
Thank you so much for a thorough review of Vega FE air and for your conclusion statement that we need to stay patient and wait for the RX Vega before determining where it ultimately places in the gaming card market. Well done video and analysis as always!
You guys deserve way more than 140k subs, this is just outrageous, what kind of professional work you do and amount of dedication for tests and videos.
Man, that was some good video editing. This channel is really taking off, hope to continue seeing it grow. Great review guys, I would love to see how this card stacks up to everything else in a few months (say late October or so) after drivers can be refined.
Steve, what hair products do you use? I know it's not related to the video but I need to know. This is really important.
Jack DeWitt PRAISE BE HE, Gaming Jesus'
EdgeOfSanity funny as hell dog but so wrong so wrong
Shampoo and water. You should try it out ;)
Steve is www.reddit.com/r/fierceflow material!
I wouldn't normally comment, but because Vega is such a flame bait right now... you did a very professionnal review on the basics. With your tear down video showing everything you did carefully, you gave much more useful information that the wild rumours and panics we have seen. Also you actually included most of the game that AMD showed us before, giving perspective on those demo. For that thank you and good job.
I'm looking forward for your RX Vega benches.
Does it support 10-bit open-GL like a Firepro?
yes, it does support openGl 10 bit
it support 10bit output
Thanks for working tirelessly to get this out so quick.
22:34 that made me cringe
TheSinisterEyes1 same xD
i clenched
That almost gave me a heart attack
gave me an anal cramp
I've been getting used to GPU's falling...
ShotsFiredTechTips
That cooler looks so beautiful…I hope rx Vega has something similar…I know it might be a leafblower but still.
Hello Gamers Nexus !!
Can you please test Rx Vega vs R9 Fury X both at around 800MHz to see if AMD has somehow regressed in IPC ??!!
Thank You !!
he doesn't have a rx vega.;-)
yeah, fury x have more icp. if i don't remeber wrong is the memory bandwith the advantage of fury x
Another top unbiased test as always for Gamers Nexus, thankyou.
I'm not panicking... I'm mortified! It's looking like RX Vega will perform on par with a 1070, maybe coming close to the 1080 in AMD favorable scenario (like Vulcan games), yet it looks like it's going to be a 250-300W card. So, I'm not panicking, I'm just going to amazon to order a 1080Ti, all the while wishing AMD had delivered the goods the same way they did on the CPU side.
To be fair, glad Gamers Nexus rose in popularity, I never knew about it and really appreciate the way you test Steve.
steve i love you but you never respond anymore
Hello!
That's escalated quickly
I guess MrKZdemos was too busy being hypocritical to respond back...
The Titan XP FE also has these holes on the back... I never noticed. I'd love to see boardpartners including these so that we can make our own anti sag solutions.
RX Vega won't be able to compete with 1080ti confirmed by steve, from written review conclusion:
"Keep expectations checked for RX Vega, as it will be at least in the orbit of these results, but there's not yet reason to try and pretend we can guess at its performance, either. There will likely be improvement -- but don't expect 30-40%. Keep it realistic."
It's not "confirmed" -- we haven't tested it. The point is not to get hopes too high. If it can do that much, great. Even better. But going into a GPU launch with such high expectations is only going to drive unrealistic expectations even higher.
Gamers Nexus I'm glad someone else gets it
Years later and I’m so glad I invested in both a decent GPU and space heater in one
Poor Volta, it'll have absolutely no competition.
When Navi comes out Edison/Ohm/Galileo would be already on its way.
Cpt. Panop where tf did you got that names from?
names of scientists like volta
Damin Ahmad you don't say.. But they're not like official names for architectures or anything
nope nothing like that ,he just tried to be funny.
Great Review (and that's coming from an AMD fanboy)! You've learned a lot from your Ryzen review backlash :) Thanks for taking the time to actually understand the target market and intent for the card and using an *appropriate* benchmark suite (ex. maya, blender, etc.) before just jumping to the typical game bench runs. I still maintain this card is ideal for the 3D developers due to the compute power and scalability across the entire workflow, from creation to testing (IE Vega FE has both Pro and game drivers, I've only seen game drivers for Titan). Anyway, keep up the measured and objective reviews!
A lot of people are underestimating the difference drivers can make. It is true that drivers can only make 10 to 20 percent of difference most of the time but that is because gaming cards are ready for games right out of the box. This is a brand new architecture using an old driver, therefore games cant take advantage of all the new features. I expect the final gaming
performance to be at least 2X as powerful than the R9 Fury X since its using a much more advanced architecture and is a jump from 14nm to FinFet.
Wow. You have put a lot of hardwork into these videos as this is a Pro Card I couldn't expect anything more than those designing stuff it gave a pretty tough competition with a XP but by seeing gaminng no one shouldnt judge it's potential but we must wait for a gaming version which is rumoured to release in September or October.
OMG AMD Frontier uses 1.21 gigawatts!
Thanks for the clarification, you guys are good at breaking things down, even for people like me who are just getting into the PC building space.
Glad to hear!
Bring back 3dfx Voodoo cards ;)
Lebel toot toot Talk to Nvidia about that.
I love the design of the card. I know its not very important factor, but i just love the styling.
Basically a 2+ year old Titan X Maxwell. That is definitely not competitive in the tech industry..
I hope this channel is supported completely to the end. They bought a 1k card for us? *tear rolls down the cheek*
Gaming aside, I'm pretty underwhelmed with this. I would have gotten one for solidworks/occasional gaming, but seems like AMD just dropped the ball. Xp seems like a much better bet.
You are so well spoken. I could never do as well. I'd have to 100% read off of paper. It comes natural to you. I appreciate your work. Thumbed up.
Some very strange benchmarks here, looks like a lot of driver tweaks and efficiencies are on the way. Beating a Titan Xp in some tests and outperformed by a 1080 in others. The consumer versions should be excellent value for money cards though.
discostoo have they announced prices yet ?
Nothing yet, but the consumer versions will be *substantially* cheaper than this, with the HBM.
Im glad someone finally made a product to fill that gap, we've been craving to be filled, between the 1070 and 1080.....1 year to late.
I'm quite underwhelmed with Vega's performance, although I might push my boss to upgrade our computers with some Vega FE's as we use Creo and the extra performance would be nice.
Best coverage and contextualization I've seen so far. fingers crossed RX SKUs offer improvements (not expecting much though tbh).
Enigma is fitting, schedule wise they usually don't prioritize niche markets before core consumers, especially bizarre when compared to the midrange exclusive decision "putting gamers first" last year.
I can see the target audience clearly as I've been in the midst of a few circumstances it'll benefit _(game art/animation in academia in particular, along side smaller boutique studios/trend towards "AAA indie" developers(aka using UE4?) I've even set up a couple consumer part render rigs in coordination with receptive faculty on campus, that vastly out performed the Quadros in the other workstations in most every use case, I think most sales of workstation cards are to academic institutions, and seems like a bit of a racket tbh, most people outside of the likes of Pixar, GM or academia go with mainstream cards because its just bad value proposition, so doubt they'd cannibalize their workstation market. And holy shit are quadros for game development excruciatingly poor especially the SKUs on campus are generally the lowest tier units)_
The PRO duo attempted to appeal to the same audience but I was more cynical about it as a legit developer/workstation oriented product. Because sure it helps via bruteforce while working in engine on pre-optimized assets but nothing much more, directly analogous to the Titan SKUs I suppose, but throw in flakier support in gaming due to its dual card nature. However the PRO driver mode and impressive productivity performance of FE makes it a different picture entirely imo. I'd genuinely recommend it to peers. although in game dev it would have been *far* more compelling if it consistently hit 1080 performance.
On another note really curious how the whole tile based rasterizer being seemingly absent on the FE pans out, whether it is absent or it's just a flawed methodology to determinate it's presence. If it's absent there's a potentially decent performance delta just there?
Also any remote chance to test if HBM is just inherently better suited for error free use-cases? bet there would be some memory thrashing and analysis tools and methodologies that could determine that? starting to genuinely wonder if it's just inherently less volatile when it comes to arbitrary or erroneous bit flipping or whatnot
Water cool that baby!
Thanks Jesus, I was a little uncertain of how to feel on RX Vega. You cleared a lot of for me. :)
I really don't like the power consumption of this card
rurutu M Meh, still using two R9 290Xs i really dont mind xD
Wow dude your subs like doubled!!! Good for you brother I hope it triples!
99% of those who are commenting have no money to buy this video card (including me )
:( kkkkkkk kkkk
Phenomenal and realistic review, Steve. I am curious to see the pricing on the RX Vega, although I am not optimistic due to HBM not being cheap. If they have a card in between the performance of a 1070 and 1080 for 399, I see that model selling like hot cakes. But you don't start a price war with nvidia who is in a position to drop the 1070 to 350 or even maybe 300 and the 1080 to 450 or 400$.
RX Vega will be DOA since die size is MASSIVE, you yourself measure it at ~520mm^2, and the highest end rx vega will use the same silicon as the vega fe, so if it only perform between gtx 1070 and 1080 (the crappy founders edition at that), it will be hard to be priced competitively since nvidia can easily counter with price cut with their considerably smaller die and cheaper gddr5/x.
A S NVidia already lowered price of gtx 1080 once so it's very unlikely that it will happen again. also as you've mentioned Pascal is already 1.5 years old so we shohld see Volta pretty soon.
Heyyo, Steve Burke, the voice of reason. Definitely a good review on Vega FE
Thank god I didn't wait and bought a card before summer began. Now there are no gpu's anywhere and Vega launches at 1070 aib speeds lol this is a nightmare hopefully I wake up soon
Are there at least boobs... I mean if there are it ain't so bad
You think its a nightmare? At least you have a good card. I'm stuck with a last generation entry level gpu, and was planning to upgrade before destiny beta. Now there is no hope for me unless I can somehow find enough cash for a 1080ti.
Jared Holcomb 1080s are still reasonable priced at around 530-600 at least they were when I checked yesterday.
Boda I had the cash ready for a 1080 that was in evga's b-stock that was $379... now it's 599.
MSI still has one of their dukes on newegg for 499, so I might go for that, but I don't have that much money right now. It looks like I'm going to have to eat the op's words and wait for this nightmare to end.
Jared Holcomb damn, I don't understand why miners are buying 1080s because the 1060 and 1070 are better at mining because they use GDDR5 and not the X version. I was looking to buy a hybrid frim EVGA or a Sea Hawk but the hybrid is at $580 now so I might wait for the official RX Vega release or just buy the sea hawk. I only game at 1080p 144hz so a 1080 will be more than enough regardless of Volta performance
the blue brushed aluminum looks really nice
Extreme 4k Gaming I know but the pattern looks good
$1,000 for a card only slightly faster than a GTX 1070. Yeah, um no.
Shawn M . Maybe you should watch this video again.
hello walkman Did you not watch the video? The only highlights where the cards CAD capabilities, and some 3D rendering. The target market for this card is exactly what again? It's neither a gaming card, HPC, nor does it support DGA/vGPU for virtualization in ESX.
Shawn M "... only slightly faster than Gtx 1070..."
when you said that you only considered gaming performance and nothing else.
If you're going to compare gaming, perhaps wait for the Radeon Rx Vega
Hello Walkman - Not what he said, is it a professional card or a gaming card? To me it seems to be a little of both or neither. This card should have been called "Purgatory". In all seriousness based on price and function, it's a competitor to the Titan X and if that's the case it's a professional card that can game. Just like the Titan X, although it seems this card can't game as well as the Titan X.
great initial review as always! it will be interesting to see how the FE card will improve with more mature drivers and wattman oc fix.
not looking good, because max what Vega can do is compete with gtx 1080 a card that soon will be 1.5 years old, that would be fine if price would be sub 400$, but that is not realistic - judging by nvidias titan vs ti price history - ti never was -50% titans price... more like -30%... that will give us amd Vega gtx 1080 performance for gtx 1080 ti price 1.5 years after gtx 1080. and now this minig craze (topugh prices are crushing - still profitable) all rx 570 and 580's are sold out for 500$+, this means any Vega that is like +30% of rx 580 performance will be out of stock even at 800$.
that is true - it is 2nd year in a row, when amd has nothing for gamers.
the RX 480 was for gamers.
Or what? Are the 970, 290/390(x), and 1060 cards not for gamers? Is my 390 inadequate for gaming?
(has been ages since there was a Radeon that competed at the absolute high end, though, yeah)
Thanks for a nice coverage again, Steve. For now I'm disappointed with the all the result. Still hoping for more on the gaming side, but in truth .... I don't expect too much anymore
This is kind of disappointing.
Homsi Rre its not a gaming card
+JayY1Thousand I know. Same thing when R7 launched, tons of people were complaining that it was being compared to a 7700K and saying "it's not a gaming CPU," like R3/R5 were somehow going to be better.
+Maluis1531 It did get better, did you not se the most recent benches????
Excellent coverage as usual. I hope more mature drivers can bring it and rx vega ahead of the 1080, since until nvidia enables freesync on desktop GPUs, amd is my only option.
Amd hasn't made "the fastest gpu" since like 2012 with the 290x. Since then they have been nothing but lazy on the gpu front.
Don't be that guy! If they stack 4 of theses GPU onto one card, maybe they'll reach titan XP performances for your gaming :-)
They simply dont have the money to compete with Nvidia high end
*late 2013
Sic Semper Beats R9 390X?
4k/60 Looks great on my 4k/60 Monitor:). Liking the new video format.
porn hub can wait
original comment^
Great in depth review as always!
"This is not a gaming card", "This is not a pro card" are only excuses from amd marketing and from amd bloodknights. Amd made a different category so you cant really compare this card to anything, so thats a perfect excuse. A regular Quadro can do the same gaming performance like its geforce counterpart, only the price is different because certifications.The RX Vega wont be any faster. After relase and 3-6 more month beta testing by the consumer for amd maybe it will reach the GTX 1080 performance level with 300W power consumption. Of course you can still "wait and see" as you do always with amd, but its pointless. Wait for Volta maybe.
"Amd made a different category"
I'd say they didn't - Not sure if Nvidia did with the Titan XP though.
^IKR
Have you ever tried playing someone thing on a Quadro at an equivalent price?
Spoiler: it's not fun.
I'm just so happy to see some Zotac references throughout this review.
Holy shit... $1000 and a performance of a 1080
HOLY SHIT another person who cannot comprehend this competes with the similar price Titan XP and the gaming cards are coming later. FFS Steve explained this 4 times.
Kevin Have you ever heard of fucking Quadro?
There has to be something said of a card whose rendering times and temperatures are worse than that of a Titan XP. Coupled with it performing as well as a 1080... What excuse do you have now? Wait for Navi?
Sure. But this card eats up power, has gaming performance of a 1080, renders worse than a Titan XP while being hotter - all whilst costing $1000. It's a 10-15% improvement over the previous flagship of AMD. Funny how you people are repeatedly saying the same things - "Have you heard of the Titan XP???" "Have you heard of the Quadro???" Sure. But this guy performs worse than both and has a price point that doesn't justify professionals to flock to.
Its NOT a gaming card, its meant for 3d development, its not optimized for games at all.
Thank you for this superb review. Interesting for the results to be all over the place. Maybe due to the difference in the FP16 and FP32 performance.
I'm quite confident that Vega, which might not outperform Nvidia top of the line cards, will be able to stand the time for 5+ years in games, thanks to its features like the new cache controller and high bandwidth HBM.
I only hope the card will be affordable ($300-$500) and have a good price/performance ratio. That is what matters in my books when I purchase new hardware.
GTX 1080 wipes the floor with VEGA. RX card won't be any different. maybe 10% more performance with drivers optimization after 2 years.
Can't say i don't like your name + avatar choices lol. Very nice.
yeah it will most likely be cheaper as well
cheaper then Vega FE, sure, cheaper then a 1080, not sure on that given the HIGH cost of HBM2
Realistically Look like vega will perform better than 1080 with more mature driver but it won't touch 1080 ti
maybe you guys should stop speculating and wait for RX Vega to come out
the Vega FE is aimed at the same market as the Titan XP is, its semi-pro work loads but it isnt made for professional work loads(no 10bit support in adobe like the Titan XP) nor is it really made for gaming
this is a card devs would use in game development in a medium sized studio(small studios would use lower end cards and bigger studios would use quadro cards) thats making a AA game, im waiting to see what Vega RX has to offer, sure i could speculate what performance is gonna be but i wont, i already have a GTX 1060 6GB and if Vega RX can bring me a $250-300 priced card that can out perform what i have now, ill buy it, if it cant, than ill stick with what i have
This was really informative and unbiased . Professionally made
first and im disappointed, i hope its just needs some driver tweaks
well its $1000 and beats quadros 2x in price.
He's talking about gaming though, not professional work.
"Just needs some driver tweaks"
in gaming STRICTLY, it's about 35% behind Nvidia's flagship. Drivers won't make that big of a difference.
I dunno, after Crimson Drivers my R9 290 got a sweet and delicious jump in speed. Maybe not 30% but definitely not a unnoticeable amount.
Well if you expected this to beat the 1080 or 1080ti you just disappointed your self.
thank you for including prices in most situations
Butthurt amd fanboy disliketrain incoming.
Very nice unbiased review. But I have to say something about the Blender benchmark (Blender user here): the Cycles OpenCL kernel is completely broken. That's why it was crashing and stuff. But the main point is that the performance is nowhere near what the CUDA Cycles is able to get (and, BTW, the OpenCL kernel doesn't even render volumes at the moment, and it misses other features, so the comparison isn't fair). Just try to render the same scene with both CUDA and both OpenCL on the same Nvidia card and you'll get my point :)
I'm not saying that the review is broken - no way. The review is great. It's just a "don't care about the Blender benchmark"
Overhyped failure again pretty much
AMD Faildozer did you not change your profile picture in 5 years?
Overhyped failure? This is a fuckin professional based card for blender and etc, not gaming you scrub.
Wut?
Thank you for a great review as always :-)
I was so hyped for Vega for months, finally had to build my PC a month ago, and went with ASUS Rog Strix 1080ti. I have never owned a Nvidia card until now, and I am super happy. After seeing some stuff on Vega - reviews, price, and heat/noise - I am super happy with my decision. I am no fanboy, but AMD really seems to be far behind Nvidia. They have, however, really brought the heat to Intel finally.
About what I expected. Oki.
Good review!
The memory clock is doubled so that 945MHz effective speed is actually 472.5Mhz, so it may be that the 500Mhz was just the non-doubled reading. You'd have to check the data rate or the memory bandwidth to be sure.
Good thought. Someone else mentioned that overlay software may cause WattMan to bug-out.
From what AMD has been saying the gaming drivers (DX etc) are not optimized for the architecture and thus I think they mean they are not making use of the packed math.
Older AMD gaming cards have never had the ability to use packed math so the drivers will not have been written with that in mind.
For example, if you have 2 image buffers that need to be combined (added together in this example) each image buffer is a vector of 8b R G B A components. [r1, g1, b1, a1, r2, b2, g2, a2.....]
Consider these buffers to be 256 (64 RGBa pixels) and you have a GPU with 64 parallel processing cores. If you do not use packed math you will need 4 full clock cycles to add these 2 buffers together. if you are using packed math you only need 1 clock cycle.
Not all data in games can be represented in as few as 8bits but a large amount of the work of a GPU involves the combination of image buffers after they have been projected into the plane that makes up the user's screen. Also, even the computation of this projection will benefit a lot from using packed math operations.
So if it is true that AMD has not yet re-written the driver stack to use packed math fully then i would expect a large boost in performance when they do. @GamersNexus are you able to ask AMD if they current DX drivers are using any of the packed math or if they are currently just re-using the older Fiji drivers?
Steve you're good man. As much as I love AMD and what they do I came into this hoping for something on par with the 1070. I think this will be a lot like Ryzen where it doesn't outperform but it may well undercut NVIDIA like they did to Intel in the price/performance section. Hopefully it is the case so we see some price drops now or when Volta is released.
So Thermaltake managed to make a double sided tempered glass case that seems to have adequate cooling and they are selling it for $70. I'd love to see a review about that!
The only One TH-cam Channel who actually bought the AMD Frontier to make a review . ALL the other channels don't give a shit if their audience want a review , they're not going to pay no one card , they want only to make videos on stuff they got for free!!!
Maratuer pc perspective
Steve big fan in here, if possible when vega gaming launches do a comparasion between FE and gaming version in games and also professional workloads to see the loss and gains in both sides.
Thanks for the great review as always!
Outstanding work
Thanks for your great content, Steve.
The 3D application Catia is pronounced Ka-T-Uh. Great work folks!