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Well ... now i want a liquid cooled RX Vega :)! Hmm perhaps if i remove the rear 120mm system fan it would fit next to my 240mm Radiator for the CPU ;).
No, the fan is not a "copy" or a "clone" of a Gentle Typhoon. It IS a Gentle Typhoon just like the Fury X fan was and Radeon Pro Duo which reused the same radiator/reservoir/fan of the Fury X. Also, the Gentle Typhoon is made and manufactured by Nidec Servo. www.nidec-servo.com/en/digital/pdf/D1225C_hi.pdf www.nidec-servo.com/en/digital/pdf/D1225C.pdf www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/R9_Fury_X/5.html www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/R9_Fury_X/images/radiator3.jpg www.fudzilla.com/images/stories/2016/April/RadeonPro1.jpg
I like how Steve uses the type of tubing to infer that it is a Cooler Master cooling solution when the pump block has the Cooler Master logo right on it.
I don't agree that this is excessive. They're preparing it for faultless, 24/7 load for its lifetime. You need an overkill reservoir and over-designed piping for that level of redundancy and safety.
Yeah, it will last much longer then the Fury X AIO. One day the AIO on my fury x will break, and what do i do then? Most OEM's dont even make blocks for it and if i would go that way it would be expensive as fuck.
Yep. If anything, I can see where they cut corners that could be cut. For example, if anyone whose entire income is based around water cooling were to NOT design this as a monoblock, they'd never move the product. Would a monoblock improve anything over this design? Not really. But it's what watercooling people are used to, and it would cost a lot more. Another thing, he mentioned a LOT of aluminum. It sounds like it's a mostly aluminum solution, and the copper that is mentioned is probably aluminum plated, or we'd have corrosion. Someone whose entire income is from water cooling would use mostly copper and plastics that resist permeation. And this IS something that effects real-world performance, just not by much.
I wish companies would just add a simple threaded plug on the radiator tank for bleeding/refilling. If they're concerned about fools damaging their own equipment, then use a tamper-proof torx, and slap some warranty stickers on it etc. It doesn't need to be big or complicated, just a simple threaded plug to top off fluid.
@honey force, yeah but think about the planed obsolescence, that would get avoided a bit? nono we need those suicidal 5 year with luck aios, so that u kill your graphics card and aio and possibly sth. more so u go out and buy some more fast dying stuff, thanks industry!
within 5 years a GPU is well and truly superseded anyway, it's doubtful if you're an enthusiast with money to burn on AIO cooled models that you'll still be rocking it when its basically a mid/lower mid range card
@matt rowbottom aio are not only used for graphics cards and not only destroy graphics cards on leakage. also a 5 year old high end graphics card may very well be more than enough for gaming if not for the "rich" primary user then for 2nd hand. and for cpus well.... the i7 2600k is over 6 years old overclocked at a modest 4,4 ghz, this cpu is more than enough for gaming even today, since sandybridge nothing happened in regards to single core ipc, so u may have a cpu that either u or others can still use for ages with the slow down in shrinking processes especially. but wait u got an aio on it that dies after 5 years and takes fuck knows of your system with it. do you really want that? there are also other uses for the old graphics card even if not used or sold, like backup graphics card or testing graphics card.... think about this u got a 7 year old aio card or cpu vs a 7 year old high end air cooler part, which would u trust or worry about? i want my system to have as little failure points as possible, especially possibly catastrophic ones... consumer electronics die to early already anyways, don't try to speed that up with suicidal aios.....
those two circles on the end of the reservoir look like pins guide rails for a spring-loaded plunger so that you can insure that the loop is always completely filled
I'm pretty sure the reservoir works like a syringe where there is a sealed plate that can mover back and forth so that as water is lost the reservoir volume decreases with the fluid loss, as a result you probably cant put the pump on the reservoir since it's designed to be empty eventually (like a syringe with all the liquid squeezed out).
I think they added that expansion tank just to rather use up that extra space originally made for an SSD. This isn't a bad thing or ineffective though, because now the radiator has more mounting options and less interference with other components.
The Fury X's fan wasn't by Cooler Master. It was a Nidec SERVO D1225C12B7ZP-62 (I have it in front of me). This is an updated 3000 rpm Gentle Typhoon with PWM control which was not released to the general consumer market (who knows why). Vega FE water probably uses the same fan.
Literally the only person on youtube who's even come close to reviewing the water cooled version of this card. I'm wondering if the RX Vega XTX Liquid cooled version is going to be done the same way.
I kinda like the idea of a pressurized res that can fill in missing fluid from the loop. I feel like that could inexpensively be put on every aio with a little bike tire air inlet so you could top off the pressure manually.
Ben Willock how can such simple parts cost so much! Id just use a motorcycle oilcooler and some fans. You can find decent pumps that cost wayy less. The only hard part are the places where the heat needs to be transfered none of this expensive useless shit. If you can't stand a little noise just move the tower in another room
Hah! I had a bit of cognitive dissonance there at the very end. Silly, Steve... Thanks for the breakdown, much appreciated! It looks like a very elegant solution IMO, that price premium though is just absolutely silly.
Could the reservoir on the right be spring loaded? As in, there are two springs that push against a plate with the liquid in front of it. So that when the pressure on the other side lowers, the pressure of the springs push the water into the loop. This is just a theory of course :P
Are you sure it's a CM fan? Could be the same nidec servo fan that the Fury X used, which is literally a gentle typhoon since scythe just bought the from nidec servo.
The tank on the side it has 2 springs inside and 2 pistons that are presering the watersystem ,that seems to me that is used for elumination of airbubbles but also for fighting against expantion of the water , i have pictuers of mine that i open for service in case you want to see it :)
great video, just what I was looking for. I transformed a vega 64 into liquid and I wanted to make it perfect by adding the liquid sensor, can you tell me which of the 6 pins concern the water sensor?
I have a 64 LC, so I am assuming it's the same setup, what I'm wondering is whether or not the PCB is the same as the air cooled cards... in other words, can I rip all this stuff off and buy a block for it? Not that I need to or have plans to, I'd just like to know if the option is there.
You were talking about liquid cooler longetivity in this vid. I've had a Corsair H100 cooling my 3930k for around 5 years now. Should I be concerned of the cooler failing and maybe replace it with something else before the damage is done? If that is the case, I wonder if Thermalright HR-02 Macho rev b would be an okay substitute, since I don't want to invest too much in this old machine, but I still want a massive cooler so the temps won't skyrocket with my 4.4 oc. Or maybe there are better ones for under 50€?
What's the plug called that plugs to the graphic card to supply power to the radiator? I put this on my. Msi vega 64 reference board which is 99.9% identical but it doesn't have the socket to plug into the radiator and a capacitor to prob regular the plugs Power. wide 6-pin connector (named MJ200/J200) is all I found. Can I just buy a wire that could be plug into the computer power supply or solder the socket and capacitor from the old (not working) graphic card to the new one? Seems like it has the layout already since it's same as reference board minus that plug + capacitor chip. 4:14 is what I am referring to. Any help would be appreciated!
Propylene Glycol? Like car antifreeze? Hmm.. I wonder if testing for chemical electrolysis like one would normally do for motor vehicles is a viable method for determining when to flush out a loop
Jaime Almeida pure or distilled water is OK and pretty much safe for any electronics. impurities like minerals are actually dangerous in many different ways like busting conductive capabilities of liquid. that's the basics.
Distilled water will collect impurities from metals over time increasing it's effective conductivity. That said, AIOs are usually pretty fool proof. You're probably more likely to kill your PC with static or damage your motherboard with a giant heatsink than have an AIO leak. Custom loops you need bigger balls for. They are more work to sort out and how likely they are to leak is pretty well proportional to how well you put them together. Even then they are usually more complex and thus have more points of failure. It's good fun though and it's kinda liberating to get used to using water with computers.
The liquid shouldn't get that hot to require an expansion tank like a car would. No other PC radiators really do that -- they're not filled to the brim, either. There's tolerance in there for any expansion (which isn't much). Given that the Fury X had an additional reservoir tank specifically for longevity and staving off permeation, it seems likely that this is also the case here -- just in a new format. It's possible that it's an expansion tank, so we're not saying hard "no" to that suggestion, but we don't have enough reason to believe it is right now, and it's not a common thing to encounter (and AMD does like making a big deal about extra liquid volume for longevity, so those all add up). Unfortunately, without the card physically in hand, we can't dismantle it to find out definitively!
If an air gap is left in the system then an expansion tank is not needed, as the air will get pressurised and compress. If this card has no air in the system then the expansion tank might be needed.
Yes, and if the air gets into the pump (when being installed having the pump at the highest point) then the pump gets destroyed. If this system was designed without an air gap (which would protect the system from getting air in the pump) then it would need an expansion tank of some kind. Water is at its maximum density at 4 degrees C, below 4 degrees C it expands until at zero degrees it freezes and is about 10% larger in volume. And as water goes above 4 degrees C it also expands..... hence the air gap in all water-cooling systems. But in AIO systems it can be a bad thing, as the air gap often ends up in the pump and the pump dies. This might be a new design that has no air in the system, and has an expansion tank to cope with the water expansion..... or it might not be.
I prefer a more expensive, better engineered design. And i would never spend the effort on a diy gpu cooler mod. I disagree that this price difference is unwarranted, but i really liked the video, thanks.
I wouldn't call those Gentle Typhoon copies, as Scythe has discontinued that model and no other manufacturer has bought that fan from Nidec Servo (the OEM where Scythe bought that model from) since. These might actually be Nidec Servo Gentle Typhoon fans, so no copies.
Hey Gamers Nexus. o/ Would we be nice if you could get AMD to comment on why they went for such complicated design. I suppose you've asked them already, but if not,here is a reminder.^^
Can you please make a review video about asus prime deluxe I bought it but live dash not working am i missing something is it physical or software damage?
i really hope this isn't how RX Water Vega will be designed, in terms of expense. The Fury X wasn't really a 'cheap' design either, but it seems like that would be more reasonable than this. Though I suppose there are merits to having the reservoir on the card, number one being reduced radiator weight and size.
The Adversary I said the same thing. Even from a workstation perspective what were they trying to accomplish with the water version. Who would waste $600 like that.
Someone who use this for work? Some company dont like waterloop and just buy ths AIO water cooler so when its break all they have to do is to send it back to AMD to be replaced/repaired.
Hmm, why not get a full water block from EK and buy next-gen 120 Predator [called MLC], which will definitely go under 600$ and will definitely deliver much, much, much more performance, lifespan is gonna be immense [full copper/nickel parts] and will look much cooler.
Very interesting design for AMD. Sadly I doubt this will perform better than your hybrid mod. It is nice to not see a canadian crying to introduce this watercooled card.
You all do not understand physics. Please try to understand the basics of Thermodynamics when you talk about energy and workload. You seem to be on the right track, but fail in conveyance. I am a fan and do look forward, keep up the good job and improvement.
Jack Troost aluminium could just be a shroud, no guarantee it's the tank material. You saw how the aluminium shroud had 2 "Allen key" holes in the side in one of the pictures, liquid is obviously not stored in a container with holes, that is screwed together with normal screws. I bet there is a tank underneath of copper.
Adam Webb I was looking for this. You will need a radiator a pump and a reservoir, tubing and fittings, too but. I agree that it's not going to be 600 dollars to build a lil loop for it
Said Al Gifari if your spending £600-700 on a GPU I suspect watercooling may be on your list too. Hell I watercool a rx480 which people hate cos they are like well you could have spent that extra money and got a 1070. Well yeh but then I'd need to buy a waterblock for the 1070 too?!
Said, I'd rather have ONE OR TWO pumps (depending on requirements), and ONE BIG radiator, with quieter fans, and water blocks for all my components that need cooling as just blocks, over a hodge-podge of fans and AIO's.
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Well ... now i want a liquid cooled RX Vega :)! Hmm perhaps if i remove the rear 120mm system fan it would fit next to my 240mm Radiator for the CPU ;).
IT Gamer We have too much other stuff right now to do BOTW, but that is a very interesting test idea!
No, the fan is not a "copy" or a "clone" of a Gentle Typhoon. It IS a Gentle Typhoon just like the Fury X fan was and Radeon Pro Duo which reused the same radiator/reservoir/fan of the Fury X. Also, the Gentle Typhoon is made and manufactured by Nidec Servo.
www.nidec-servo.com/en/digital/pdf/D1225C_hi.pdf
www.nidec-servo.com/en/digital/pdf/D1225C.pdf
www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/R9_Fury_X/5.html
www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/R9_Fury_X/images/radiator3.jpg
www.fudzilla.com/images/stories/2016/April/RadeonPro1.jpg
I like how Steve uses the type of tubing to infer that it is a Cooler Master cooling solution when the pump block has the Cooler Master logo right on it.
Some things jump out more than others when you stare at coolers half the day. It's a very "CM design" from 10 feet away!
Well, I've noticed thank to your comment...
lol No-shit-Sherlock moments.
Don't the tubes look sort of like a Fractal Design Celsius CLC as well?
yes, but we know that this is cooler master because of the logo
I don't agree that this is excessive. They're preparing it for faultless, 24/7 load for its lifetime. You need an overkill reservoir and over-designed piping for that level of redundancy and safety.
Yeah, it will last much longer then the Fury X AIO.
One day the AIO on my fury x will break, and what do i do then? Most OEM's dont even make blocks for it and if i would go that way it would be expensive as fuck.
Yep. If anything, I can see where they cut corners that could be cut. For example, if anyone whose entire income is based around water cooling were to NOT design this as a monoblock, they'd never move the product. Would a monoblock improve anything over this design? Not really. But it's what watercooling people are used to, and it would cost a lot more. Another thing, he mentioned a LOT of aluminum. It sounds like it's a mostly aluminum solution, and the copper that is mentioned is probably aluminum plated, or we'd have corrosion. Someone whose entire income is from water cooling would use mostly copper and plastics that resist permeation. And this IS something that effects real-world performance, just not by much.
Henrik Johansson get a ekwb waterblock
jdr ok There is not one yet. Even if they make one, it'll be weeks till it's out.
Just for kicks I'd like to see this AiO compared to the R9 295X2's to see what changes they've made and how well that one's still holding up.
I wish companies would just add a simple threaded plug on the radiator tank for bleeding/refilling.
If they're concerned about fools damaging their own equipment, then use a tamper-proof torx, and slap some warranty stickers on it etc.
It doesn't need to be big or complicated, just a simple threaded plug to top off fluid.
@honey force, yeah but think about the planed obsolescence, that would get avoided a bit?
nono we need those suicidal 5 year with luck aios, so that u kill your graphics card and aio and possibly sth. more so u go out and buy some more fast dying stuff, thanks industry!
Lmao it's not hard to do it yourself either...
within 5 years a GPU is well and truly superseded anyway, it's doubtful if you're an enthusiast with money to burn on AIO cooled models that you'll still be rocking it when its basically a mid/lower mid range card
@matt rowbottom
aio are not only used for graphics cards and not only destroy graphics cards on leakage.
also a 5 year old high end graphics card may very well be more than enough for gaming if not for the "rich" primary user then for 2nd hand.
and for cpus well....
the i7 2600k is over 6 years old overclocked at a modest 4,4 ghz, this cpu is more than enough for gaming even today, since sandybridge nothing happened in regards to single core ipc, so u may have a cpu that either u or others can still use for ages with the slow down in shrinking processes especially.
but wait u got an aio on it that dies after 5 years and takes fuck knows of your system with it.
do you really want that?
there are also other uses for the old graphics card even if not used or sold, like backup graphics card or testing graphics card....
think about this u got a 7 year old aio card or cpu vs a 7 year old high end air cooler part, which would u trust or worry about?
i want my system to have as little failure points as possible, especially possibly catastrophic ones...
consumer electronics die to early already anyways, don't try to speed that up with suicidal aios.....
1:34 or by the somewhat obvious logo lol
those two circles on the end of the reservoir look like pins guide rails for a spring-loaded plunger so that you can insure that the loop is always completely filled
I'm pretty sure the reservoir works like a syringe where there is a sealed plate that can mover back and forth so that as water is lost the reservoir volume decreases with the fluid loss, as a result you probably cant put the pump on the reservoir since it's designed to be empty eventually (like a syringe with all the liquid squeezed out).
Pretty high quality, can't wait for water cooled RX vega.
That ending scene though XD
I think they added that expansion tank just to rather use up that extra space originally made for an SSD. This isn't a bad thing or ineffective though, because now the radiator has more mounting options and less interference with other components.
That back area is a pressure regulation clamber and reserve. Seen those in another of vehicle. Keep the pressure from overbuilding and popping lines.
The Fury X's fan wasn't by Cooler Master. It was a Nidec SERVO D1225C12B7ZP-62 (I have it in front of me). This is an updated 3000 rpm Gentle Typhoon with PWM control which was not released to the general consumer market (who knows why). Vega FE water probably uses the same fan.
Literally the only person on youtube who's even come close to reviewing the water cooled version of this card. I'm wondering if the RX Vega XTX Liquid cooled version is going to be done the same way.
They might as well have supplied a proper full cover block and custom loop for $500
I kinda like the idea of a pressurized res that can fill in missing fluid from the loop. I feel like that could inexpensively be put on every aio with a little bike tire air inlet so you could top off the pressure manually.
Lot of effort AMD is spending on cooling here. Also on theire board design as we learned. Thanks so far for the update.
Thanks for cool video
Once waterblocks come out you could probably build an entire custom loop for $600 and still have some change left over.
Ben Willock how can such simple parts cost so much! Id just use a motorcycle oilcooler and some fans. You can find decent pumps that cost wayy less. The only hard part are the places where the heat needs to be transfered none of this expensive useless shit. If you can't stand a little noise just move the tower in another room
Won't having mixed metals in the same loop risk galvanic corrosion? Or is the coldplate on the gpu actually also aluminium instead of copper?
12am just about to pass out and then bam...now I gotta watch 😳 god damnit lol
AMD made a well built and beautiful card, great job.
Hey Steve, can you break down an R9 295x2 just for kicks, to see how they've improved it?
i wonder if its possible that the tank serves a dual purpose, it'd make a rather nice heatsink for an array of flash on an ssg model.
Hah! I had a bit of cognitive dissonance there at the very end. Silly, Steve...
Thanks for the breakdown, much appreciated! It looks like a very elegant solution IMO, that price premium though is just absolutely silly.
I really like this design
The two words typed on the pump and inlet really improve the card appearance. Can we expect some benchmarks?
Could the reservoir on the right be spring loaded? As in, there are two springs that push against a plate with the liquid in front of it. So that when the pressure on the other side lowers, the pressure of the springs push the water into the loop. This is just a theory of course :P
yes spring loaded
I find it funny how Steve is doing a Buildzoid style video.
Are you sure it's a CM fan? Could be the same nidec servo fan that the Fury X used, which is literally a gentle typhoon since scythe just bought the from nidec servo.
The tank on the side it has 2 springs inside and 2 pistons that are presering the watersystem ,that seems to me that is used for elumination of airbubbles but also for fighting against expantion of the water , i have pictuers of mine that i open for service in case you want to see it :)
Hello. Idk if you will read my coment but any way... Did you try to refill liquid thru the tank? And if so, how did you do it? Thanks.
Are you sure about the fan ? Is it not Nidec Servo like on the R9 Fury X ?
I like the utilitarian look of it
Cooling excellence. They had a similar config on the FIJI pro duo. Just put it in your case and forget it.
Everytime amd releases a product with "excessive" stuff on it, they get semi criticized for it smh..
joris yauw It's not just AMD. Watch any video on our channel.
i bet the resivour is an accumilator pressurized gas and fuild seperated by a diaframe to maintain a good pressure to the pump
Nice easter egg.. :)
great video, just what I was looking for. I transformed a vega 64 into liquid and I wanted to make it perfect by adding the liquid sensor, can you tell me which of the 6 pins concern the water sensor?
i was looking for pinout too as i want to add water temp sensor too
From the title, I thought that you meant the water cooler broke. All in the read :)
im really questioning this design ... i would have "involved" the smaller reservoir in the loop. Or made a vaper chamber if possible??
Can you refill it thru the pressure tank? It will be cool idea to try it
I have a 64 LC, so I am assuming it's the same setup, what I'm wondering is whether or not the PCB is the same as the air cooled cards... in other words, can I rip all this stuff off and buy a block for it? Not that I need to or have plans to, I'd just like to know if the option is there.
You were talking about liquid cooler longetivity in this vid. I've had a Corsair H100 cooling my 3930k for around 5 years now. Should I be concerned of the cooler failing and maybe replace it with something else before the damage is done?
If that is the case, I wonder if Thermalright HR-02 Macho rev b would be an okay substitute, since I don't want to invest too much in this old machine, but I still want a massive cooler so the temps won't skyrocket with my 4.4 oc. Or maybe there are better ones for under 50€?
What's the plug called that plugs to the graphic card to supply power to the radiator? I put this on my. Msi vega 64 reference board which is 99.9% identical but it doesn't have the socket to plug into the radiator and a capacitor to prob regular the plugs Power. wide 6-pin connector (named MJ200/J200) is all I found. Can I just buy a wire that could be plug into the computer power supply or solder the socket and capacitor from the old (not working) graphic card to the new one? Seems like it has the layout already since it's same as reference board minus that plug + capacitor chip. 4:14 is what I am referring to. Any help would be appreciated!
and for this sophisticated cooling we are paying $500 up I rather fit a copper tube from my fridge to the gpu core lol
psssshhht wannna hear a joke?
we also use glue but only under the cpu IHS --- intel
paste and copy!!!
their CPUs are literally "glued together"
Akash7713 they already glued their cpus together a decade ago
their CPUs are as "glued together" as any other silicon die glued to a PCB so...
also.. MMC is the future . Big monolith dies are big mistake
He meant they use glue instead of thermal paste or soldering to attach the IHS to the die. They have horrible cooling.
Copper and aluminum? That's a recipe for disaster! I would be surprised if it was copper........
the holes are threaded it might be a inlet outlet?
ist the waterlbock made out of aluminium?
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Ziggy Wiggy that wouldn't work could only do multiples of 3 lel
Propylene Glycol? Like car antifreeze? Hmm.. I wonder if testing for chemical electrolysis like one would normally do for motor vehicles is a viable method for determining when to flush out a loop
Or this thing has a warranty, which the moded liquid cooled card doesn't, which is actually important for the target audience
Why is there a gap in the pump and the mini-reservoir that splits these into two?
what if theres a heat pipe in that line with the glycol residue that is water cooled to cool the plate?
Water and electronics, something I'll never mix.
Jaime Almeida you must be new to pcs. Watercooling when done right works wonders with electronics. There's water in your car....
Jaime Almeida pure or distilled water is OK and pretty much safe for any electronics. impurities like minerals are actually dangerous in many different ways like busting conductive capabilities of liquid. that's the basics.
Distilled water will collect impurities from metals over time increasing it's effective conductivity.
That said, AIOs are usually pretty fool proof. You're probably more likely to kill your PC with static or damage your motherboard with a giant heatsink than have an AIO leak.
Custom loops you need bigger balls for. They are more work to sort out and how likely they are to leak is pretty well proportional to how well you put them together. Even then they are usually more complex and thus have more points of failure.
It's good fun though and it's kinda liberating to get used to using water with computers.
it looks like the end of the aluminum Reservoir could actually be used as a filling port.
i just bought one, how do you add coolant to it lol
But, where is that USB port that Raja spoked about?
Where is the results for the cutom cooled one you guys did couple days ago? Im really curious of the performance results.
On the channel.
now the graphics cards comes with DLCs too...
is the cooler same on RX vega watercooled ?
I think the fan is Nidec Servo - Aka Gentle Typhoon :) not Coolermaster :)
It is called "expansion tank"
Yes, same as on my car radiator, as the water heats up it expands and it has to go somewhere...... otherwise it would break the radiator.
The liquid shouldn't get that hot to require an expansion tank like a car would. No other PC radiators really do that -- they're not filled to the brim, either. There's tolerance in there for any expansion (which isn't much). Given that the Fury X had an additional reservoir tank specifically for longevity and staving off permeation, it seems likely that this is also the case here -- just in a new format.
It's possible that it's an expansion tank, so we're not saying hard "no" to that suggestion, but we don't have enough reason to believe it is right now, and it's not a common thing to encounter (and AMD does like making a big deal about extra liquid volume for longevity, so those all add up). Unfortunately, without the card physically in hand, we can't dismantle it to find out definitively!
If an air gap is left in the system then an expansion tank is not needed, as the air will get pressurised and compress. If this card has no air in the system then the expansion tank might be needed.
There is always an air gap in these radiators.
Yes, and if the air gets into the pump (when being installed having the pump at the highest point) then the pump gets destroyed. If this system was designed without an air gap (which would protect the system from getting air in the pump) then it would need an expansion tank of some kind. Water is at its maximum density at 4 degrees C, below 4 degrees C it expands until at zero degrees it freezes and is about 10% larger in volume. And as water goes above 4 degrees C it also expands..... hence the air gap in all water-cooling systems. But in AIO systems it can be a bad thing, as the air gap often ends up in the pump and the pump dies. This might be a new design that has no air in the system, and has an expansion tank to cope with the water expansion..... or it might not be.
I prefer a more expensive, better engineered design. And i would never spend the effort on a diy gpu cooler mod. I disagree that this price difference is unwarranted, but i really liked the video, thanks.
Hmmm $1500 for a card that can't outperform a $700 card... looks like amd is trying to become the intel of gpu's
do they use the same method/cooler for RX Vega 64 liquid?
water wont return through a sleeved cable, i think the narrow tube is the return and the inlet is the same as the gpu block... yeah
I wouldn't call those Gentle Typhoon copies, as Scythe has discontinued that model and no other manufacturer has bought that fan from Nidec Servo (the OEM where Scythe bought that model from) since.
These might actually be Nidec Servo Gentle Typhoon fans, so no copies.
Hey Gamers Nexus. o/ Would we be nice if you could get AMD to comment on why they went for such complicated design. I suppose you've asked them already, but if not,here is a reminder.^^
"Hey guys, it's BuildZoid her.. Wait that's not right." XD
Can you please make a review video about asus prime deluxe
I bought it but live dash not working am i missing something is it physical or software damage?
Is it worth it for a server?, maybe yes. Would you do it on a Vega RX? no that would be silly.
i really hope this isn't how RX Water Vega will be designed, in terms of expense.
The Fury X wasn't really a 'cheap' design either, but it seems like that would be more reasonable than this.
Though I suppose there are merits to having the reservoir on the card, number one being reduced radiator weight and size.
smokeydops AMD always over design. It makes the card more expensive, but it also means it would break down for a good 3-5 years.
Juggernautdemon but constantly lagging behind in performance and only bringing a few gpu products super late
I have a Vega 64 Liquid Cooled and, unfortunately, the pump is INCREDIBLY LOUD.
This so BuildZoid stuff right here :DDD
for extra 600 dollars you could do a custom loop on it
That is money much better spent...
The Adversary I said the same thing. Even from a workstation perspective what were they trying to accomplish with the water version. Who would waste $600 like that.
Someone who use this for work? Some company dont like waterloop and just buy ths AIO water cooler so when its break all they have to do is to send it back to AMD to be replaced/repaired.
for 600$ you could cool your cpu and gpu both with a 360mm rad lol.
So copper and aluminum in the same loop?
Actually looks like an all aluminium setup. Won't know for sure until someone shows us shots of the coldplate.
Could you please do a review and breakdown for GIGABYTE AORUS Xtreme GeForce GTX 1080 Ti Waterforce 11GD? Thanks in advance!
Lol for $600 you could get an ek waterblock or something when it comes out and watercool the rest of ur system.
inlet inlet inlet inlet IT'S LIT!
pump on cold plate is no more patentable than pump on engine. Eff asutek
Pretty cool
Damn that's some nice if not over engineered cooler.
I personally prefer silent keyboards
Hmm, why not get a full water block from EK and buy next-gen 120 Predator [called MLC], which will definitely go under 600$ and will definitely deliver much, much, much more performance, lifespan is gonna be immense [full copper/nickel parts] and will look much cooler.
Bryan Fury same thing I said
didn't find Your reply.
Should have gone for a single-width design.
WOW
I figured it would be some crappy AIO but damn
Nicker950_HD that is what OP is saying to. To me it looks like he was surprised with how good it was
copper + aluminium in one loop ?
600$...omg..ek...would make you a complete custom loop for that amount of money.✌
Very interesting design for AMD. Sadly I doubt this will perform better than your hybrid mod.
It is nice to not see a canadian crying to introduce this watercooled card.
Maybe the secondary unit is the pump, and the one on the gpu is just a block
Gaming in HD The power feeds into the unit on the GPU.
Gamers Nexus Ah, yes, my mistake
You all do not understand physics. Please try to understand the basics of Thermodynamics when you talk about energy and workload. You seem to be on the right track, but fail in conveyance. I am a fan and do look forward, keep up the good job and improvement.
someone whould try swapping the tubing and replacing the fluid.
You got the inlet and outlet all wrong ...
EKWB is going to release a full waterblock soon why would some one buy this overpriced liquid cooling solution version ?
wait aluminum tank and copper coldplate?
Jack Troost aluminium could just be a shroud, no guarantee it's the tank material. You saw how the aluminium shroud had 2 "Allen key" holes in the side in one of the pictures, liquid is obviously not stored in a container with holes, that is screwed together with normal screws. I bet there is a tank underneath of copper.
yaseen reza o yeah that is right but than they need to have also done that with the vrm because he also said those were aluminium
It's a closed loop.
They could have filled all kinds of funny liquids in there.
With enough anti-corrosive it's a no brainer.
Then EKWB release a block for £120 and this card is pointless.
Adam Webb I was looking for this. You will need a radiator a pump and a reservoir, tubing and fittings, too but. I agree that it's not going to be 600 dollars to build a lil loop for it
yeah to a rep and they said they will have a block
Said Al Gifari if your spending £600-700 on a GPU I suspect watercooling may be on your list too. Hell I watercool a rx480 which people hate cos they are like well you could have spent that extra money and got a 1070. Well yeh but then I'd need to buy a waterblock for the 1070 too?!
Dante Alighieri I'm not jayztwocents. :)
Said, I'd rather have ONE OR TWO pumps (depending on requirements), and ONE BIG radiator, with quieter fans, and water blocks for all my components that need cooling as just blocks, over a hodge-podge of fans and AIO's.
600+ no sir. at least Ryzen was a success
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Doesn't "the reader" have a name?
My water cool systém @