Recording Drums with One Microphone on Cassette
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ค. 2024
- Only have one mic or one channel to record drums? No problem. This is classic mic shoot out set up, but we change positions too. You don't need a cassette to employ this technique, either.
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00:00 Intro
00:59 what you need
02:15 the experiment
03:01 mic comparison
04:14 first position
06:07 second position
07:53 third position
11:04 fourth position
13:41 placement shootout
15:20 thoughts
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M201 typically had a more balanced sound for the entire kit, but I really liked the high end clarity of the cymbals using the SM57
oooohhh i have not. how are your experiments going?
Great video bud, I don’t think enough people realize that you can use mics as an EQ, to get close to the final sound that you’re looking for. 👍🏻👍🏻
100% ! thanks for listening Mike!
You can also record the different parts of the drumkit on different tracks so you can position the microphone where you want for the different tracks/parts of the drums you are recording. That makes it even more of a way to equalise drums.
Well executed video ! Thats how to do comparisons, back to back, can hear the differences clearly, don't need to use memory.
So good to hear the comparions of different positions back to back, aswell as the different drum styles.
Nice. This just reinforces what I’ve been saying for years: if you can only have one mic, the M201 is the one to pick.
love it!
great video. i´ve seen many but the concept of this one is perfect, very rewarding. thank you!
thank you so much! I want to do a follow up soon where we compare them in a mix!
how wild. been watching your videos for a while now learning about recording with analog tape sounds, and now you’re doing stuff with sander bryce? i loved his band really from ever since i saw them long ago at broken world fest and was simply blown away. what a small world.
ahhh thanks for writing! Sander is the cousin of my good friend Jonah Levine and they have a duo/collab project called H A U N T E R
small world indeed!!!
Glad you did this video cause i never knew the 57 i have sitting in the bottom of my junk drawer could be such a good drum mic!
oooh yes it's the circle of our lives as musicians...start with the 57, put it away, then come back and realize how good it is. thanks for watching!
the 57 seems to have the "pointiest" transients while the 635a seems to have the softest, more mellow transients
yessssss!!! couldn’t have said it better myself
I love this channel. Makes me happy
thank you this means a very very lot much
I just discovered this channel, and without looking for it I solved many doubts that I had regarding drum miking.
I ULTRA SUBSCRIBE!💣🔥
many thanks! glad it’s helpful and welcome 🙏
The M201 is a beast of a mic. I love mine.
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This guy on TH-cam : Do YOU visit the internet?
Absolute genius
I'm that guy on the internet!
Dude,I got that same MK1 porta,funny thing is I was talking cassette recording with an old bud Upstate NY about recording old tascams thru DAW setups and got up studio early today to finish my audio tracks,tape recording etc,then I ran into this vid and wow the timing is friggin perfect.
thanks David! hope it helped out, and happy recording!
I pretty much exclusively use a one mic technique for drums. I produce mostly 50’s and early 60’s influenced bands and that’s the way they did it in that time period, so it gets results that just sound “right”. But another big part of the drum sound on those old records is the bleed through the vocal mic(often a U47). So if I’m not recording a band live and just recording a kit, or kit and guitar, etc I’ll put up a tube condenser mic where I would place a singer just to get that room bleed. For the kit I either use crotch or overhead technique, depending on the drummer… one’s definitely not always better than the other between players. And with overhead it helps to have the mic not facing straight down but at an angle, not too steep but say like 30 degrees.
And my favorite mics to use on the kit are a 1. A pencil condenser like an akg or a budget friendly oktava. 2. an electro-voice 665. There’s many EV mics that would get you this sound tho, such as the 666/RE20/Pl10 to name a few… they’re all in the line of development that became the modern day RE20. 3. another broadcast mic actually, the Shure SM7. It does that snare grabbing thing the 57 does, but without the harsh mid hump and with more detail. It actually sounds pretty close to how the beyerdynamic did.
Anyway… Cool video, I thought the 635a had some interesting results. I liked how it dulled the crap out of the cymbals. If there’s one thing I hate it’s loud harsh cymbals… oh, and rape. I don’t care much for that either. Well then, on that note… toodles
this is one of the most educational and helpful comments i’ve ever seen! that’s so cool and thank you for sharing your experience and wisdom 🙏🤘
i love the idea of getting bleed from another mic
Interesting stuff! I've made lots of great sounding drum tracks with 1 mic. I liked the SM57 the most, on pretty much everything, followed by the m201, then the EV635a. I have a bunch of 57's for my drums, etc.. They do good on just about everything. I prefer a hi-fi sound and clarity, but the 635a would be perfect for lo-fi type stuff, being darker and kind of muffled. That m201 was great though.. Kind of the best of both worlds. 🤘
love it! thanks for sharing! i do love the darkness in the world…. 😂
Great video, as always. Nice to see some off- kilter choices against the 57
thanks for watching and listening! i hope i wasn’t too harsh on the 57 cuz i still love it. Another video coming soon where i use these sounds in a mix 🤘
Instant sub. Thank you 🙏🏼
thank YOU
Very interesting, thanks for posting this
thanks for watching! Your porta one tutorial was very helpful for me in the beginning 🙏
Oh , this video brought back some fun memories . Before me and my ole bandmates knew better , we would record everything on one track and hope for the best LOL . This was back in 1998-99ish . No one showed us how to properly use the 4 track . We would take a Electro-Voice N/D267a Cardioid Dynamic Vocal Microphone and move it around the room until we found a spot LOL . I love Shure Sm57's but that EV mic sounded great . Another cardioid mic that is great is a Heil PR 20 . Thanks for the video , Chris !
hey you can get cool sounds like that! thanks for watching, Jesse!
you had me at exploring limitations
Nice one mate! Love this. I did the same thing in the first 4 track video I ever made on here minus the tuned kit or good drummer 😂 But still got excellent results! I used an Ev re10
love that mic! thanks for watching, and keep rocking over on your channel! 🤘
@@MadeOnTape thanks Chris! And will do for sure 👍
Love your videos❤
love this comment! thanks for watching 🙏
@@MadeOnTape tape rocks💪
Thank you very much for this video! I am literally trying to do the exact same thing haha
have fun exploring!
The paper one I use a lot and it sounds fantastic! Very subtle and quiet
📄 🎤🙌🏻
Naah, the paper one sounds pretty flat to me.
Basically,however you place the mics and play diferent styles you get an contrasting sound betwen styles.Depending on music and mic placement you should always choose the best variant for what sound are you searching. As a live guy,mics and placement depend from venue to venue but in the ears of studios,most guys choose the two technically ways in various patterns depending on the artist,album,feeling they try to give and so much more things that needs to be put down on paper.I also think that this representation is purely focused to give you a comparasion betwen the two techniques. Sorry for long post,great matterial my friend,subscribed and like the work.
no apology necessary! excellent points, you’re making. thanks for watching and listening 🙏
Nice comparison ✌️❤️
thanks David! much appreciated
Doing my part for the algorithm my friend and leaving a comment. I really like that 201
the 201 is 🔥 on anything but it’s a damn good snare mic 🎤
thanks Alan 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
I tried this for the first time after watching your video! It is the 2 feet away in front of the kick that worked for me playing hiphop! Oh, and I used a betasm57a microphone. I’ve put a video up on our channel
that's awesome! just checked it out and I dig the vibe. Thanks for watching and keep having fun!
Great video. I have done a lot with a single condenser mic about 3 ft over the snare. I believe a lot of early Rolling Stones albums mic’d it this way. If the tracks make it to the daw you can duplicate the track and filter the highs to create a separate kick if you need more punch.
this is an excellent tip and I fully endorse it!
Ah cool.. I’ve tried that too w a phone recording, duplicating and eq isolating. Found that doing something similar on a kick mic can be great from a fet 47 type mic: duplicate the track and add some distortion, take out some low frequency content (to simulate a dynamic type kick mic ish).
I mostly play jazz and so the M201 overhead was my favorite. I put a Tascam portable stereo recorder over my right shoulder. Sometimes simple is better!
i just recorded a live jazz band monday night, and i used the 635 in crotch position, the m201 as a snare mic, and an Aston Origin in front of the kick, along with an AKG room mic.
love simple drum miking!
Awesome. I love one mic on the kit.
do you have any favorites? even ones not in this video? cheers!
@@MadeOnTape sm58 in the “wurst” position is my fav.
Hello, I had not seen any video about this subject, but I did several recordings before with only 2 microphones and I got very good results.
two mics is great! what was your favorite placement?
Mac Demarco used a single mic on drums for the albums 2, Salad Days, and Another One, I think. There's even video of him doing this on a YT video or two. And they sound great, the drums. The mic looks like (and is often referred to as) an AT2020, but it's actually a Roland DR80c.
i had to look up that mic! love those Demarco vids with the Vaseline face 😂
Thank you for making a boring, complicated topic entertaining. Some videos make me fall asleep lol
thanks for watching 🙏🏻🤘🏻
Hey man, loved the vid and genuinely helpful since I have both a 57 and that same model of tascam, but I was wondering what you used to plug in an XLR into the 4 track?
I use the Whirlwind IMP! impedance transformer. Works like a charm
Thank you
thank you for listening! 👂
Oh my god. You’ve sold me on an m201. Why must it cost money though?? The only mic I own is a behringer one I got for free with my audio interface. I don’t care, I still have to get my hands on that mic somehow. Great video, great work, thanks so much!
you won’t regret it! i’ve spoken to many musicians and engineers who love it like i do
I just ordered a 635 N/D-B. I will run it into a Cloudlifter also. I cannot wait. :-)
But yeah 635 for the win...
thanks for listening!
Really great vid! Would be extra sickening to do this in context to a mix as well to see what differences stand out.
i must revisit! thank you for reminder
Very very good my Friend
thanks for watching and listening 🙏
I have two of those M201s (a TG model and an N. It's a great mic
ahh yes! do you know what the difference is?
@@MadeOnTape Between the TG and the N? I wish I could remember. Haven't used them in a while due to circumstances too complicated and boring to explain here (or anywhere).
I did some recordings with my 688 using the Ear Trumpet "Louise" as a single mic for drums. They're large diaphragm condenser mics great for acoustic strings and vocals.
i had to look it up! very cool mic!
@@MadeOnTape Yes it is!
Cool video, the 201 in front of the kit is my favourite here! PS when did you get the 424?
464! It's my studio partner's. Check this out if you haven't already! th-cam.com/video/Dmf1FeqyfCE/w-d-xo.html
Dude,I can't find one dependable person to help me monitor my drums,so I've been doing it myself which takes forever to go back and forth from the drums(stand up)with one old school AT3525 condenser to the DAW or Tascam DP,Porta or vise versa.The results using yes plugins(comp/reverb,etc)are.....balls 🤖⚡
one of the most underrated or discussed topics is finding dependable people to help you create! drummers have it the hardest for sure to record alone, but hopefully you're getting somewhere!
Second postion, 201 mic is so good!
heck yes! love it! thanks for watching and listening🙏
Most enjoyable! I too like the EV635a -How about the Neodymium version???
oooo i don’t think i’ve tried one! what’s the difference in theory? Thanks for watching!
The 635 a has a beautiful sound . I’m pretty sure it would sound great with other mics. I got to get my hands o one
love me an omni dynamic
Hmm… I thought I loved the 57 on drums. Turns out that I hate it when compared to any other mic! Who knew?!!! 🤷♂️ Seriously though, the hats and ride sound really harsh with the 57. Thanks for this!
i wanna give it its fair shot in a mix! another video with these sounds definitely coming. thanks for watching and listening 🙏
yeah it's mainly the cymbals for me to... far too shrill.
I actually prefer the 57 for the same reason. The 635 sounds like it's underwater to me and the m201 sounds in between.
Jack Richardson was my production teacher in college. He did a lot of jingle work before producing The Guess Who, Alice Cooper etc. He recommended the 57 on kick for jingles or music for played on low fi speakers. The mid punch made the kick present. Works well on laptop speakers and crummy 70’s televisions. I’m gonna experiment with the single mic thing for the kit at my next gig. I think the crotch position will work best for sound reinforcement but I won’t know untilI I try it. I wonder what a pzm mic would sound like. Hmmm.
I'd like to try that EV in my barn studio!
Great shootout
heck yes! barn reverb baby 😎
I think we have the same TH-cam algorithm these days 😂
@@JacobMcCaslin TH-cam cutting corners giving us the same algorithm!
Cool experiment. I vote try one additional position. Behind the throne pointing at the beater
oooohhhh that’s a great idea! will have to try it out 🙌🏻
201 in front of the kickdrum was the most "usable" mic/position.. you really need to start was some good low end if you want something that even approaches usable.
overhead EV645a sounded pretty good for jazz stuff though.
The 57 seems fatter without sounding too sloppy, just seems to record the right mids and lows really well.
Another great video...but then suddenly on the Jazz it's way too shrill and thin like Rick's Snake Jazz.
Full on video, far deeper than than most.
It's like the old HIFI adage "Rubbish in Rubbish out" buy a good stylus first kinda deal.
But really, really informative.
The 635 on hip hop reminds me of Greg Bissonette's Drum Loops in RMX drums in the "hip hop" section.
Amazing!
Whet's weirder is the rock beat room test.
It sounds as drastic as an electro beat where the DJ uses a HI Pass sweep... from the 57 to the 635
The 635 sounds like my old "vinylistics loop sample" CD, pretty much the same ..no eq no compressors,
Awesome again and food for thought when I may get my space set up in the future, I'm gonna make a drum riser on locking scaffolding wheels to move around the warehouse area for different reverbs, and have a small mic collection, knowing this is awesome.
Hey enjoy this I think it was two mics...not sure.
th-cam.com/video/_8yGGtVKrD8/w-d-xo.html
ooooh drums on a moveable riser is a good idea, methinks, as long as the riser isn’t noisy!
and love that Cab Calloway/Nicholas brothers vid 🙌
Can you talk about the mixer that’s sitting on top of the rack behind you.? It looks similar to a Yamaha that I used to have and thought very highly of. I’ve been looking to find something like it again.
201 second position is sweet. The 57 would sound much better in context, I believe. Overall, the m201 surprised me. Something I need to get.
i do regret not giving these in context, but there will be a follow up! yes, grab yourself an m201 you won't regret it!
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indeed
Nice comparison! My favourite would definitely be the M201 in the crotch position.
me too! 🤘
The 201 costing 4x the 57 sounds amazing as a dynamic
Mixed feelings here, that's why i like your videos, i usually agree with you, but this time i disagree 70% hahahahah, EV is not my choice in any situation, BM is more balanced and 57 has more punch to my ears on this particular test you've done. Obviously different positions give you different "mixes" of the kit and some are better than others according to the music genre. I totally see your point and obviously i respect that. And of course, the missing 30% is about 57 and snares, "they're good to each other" ;) Great video as ever!!! Thanks
love this comment! i’ll be doing a video mixing with these sounds, so there’s a high chance the 57 becomes my favorite in that context 😂 🙏🙌
@@MadeOnTape I do not claim to have the truth in any case, it is just a matter of taste or opinion, and perhaps the opposite will happen and I will end up changing my mind, an enriching option in any way. The test in a band context will be great, but I recognize that it will be a great effort on your part.
@@lu4enp no effort. it's all in the plan!
M201 for the win. 57 second. Didn't like the EV. Muffled! And my rock brain loved the front of kit sound. If I could have two mics, I'd have the 57 overhead and the M201 front of kit. That would have a great variety!
i should do a follow up video: 2 mics on drums! thanks for watching
Best place -behind/over drummer's head
that's an awesome spot!
I think the 635A mixed with another mic would be kinda sick. Get that dark full bodied sound with a more detailed high end.
Use it in a mix and you’ll love the 57
you’re 💯 correct
So can anyone tell me about the m201 in this video? is there a difference between the BD m201 and the BD m201tg ?? And which one were you using in tapeland??
i was using the newer one, so the TG. I’ve never had an original one in my hands but experienced engineers tell me there’s little to no difference. However, i personally can’t confirm
thanks for watching!
cool thanks.
yer welcome 🙏🏻
Front of the kit sounds perfect for recording breakbeats
💯 and compress the shit out of it 🙌🏻
Front of kit definitely is the most balanced for most the microphones.
definitely my thoughts as well! especially with these dynamics... I just did a session recently, and the tried and true method of sticking an omni tube LDC right over the bass drum was PERFECT for the full kit!
@@MadeOnTape Right over as in front of kit or crotch?
@@francismcfadden3305 for that set up, crotch. My Vanguard Audio Labs V13 was the mic... probably my favorite mic
@@MadeOnTape Nice I'll have to look into that. Definitely wanna experiment with this at some point
Shure sm 57 all the way
it's the GOAT mic, truly, for consistency and vibes and affordability
@@MadeOnTape For Shure 😉
The Beyerdynamic was a good all around mic in my opinion
me too! i’m going to put these in a mix for another test soon
@@MadeOnTape I mean each of the mics are usable in some way and I think that the 57 was a very close 2nd but it definitely shines as a snare mic in my opinion
I like the M201…… had a great balance in all positions
love that mic!!!
Mic placement is key
a thousand percent 🙌🏻
@@MadeOnTape thanks for your videos. Now I’m on the search for an M-201
635a definitely gives that vintage vibe, I love it!
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I think the EV was probably me least favorite of the bunch in all positions. It lacked high end clarity, and as such, it kind of make all of the drums/cymbals sound a bit cardboardy and dead.
I think for a price-to-sound ratio, the SM57 wins for me, hands down. The 201 probably sounds the best overall, but the 57 is also a quarter of the price, and I don't think the sound gains by the 201 were noticeable enough to make me want to go and spend 4x the amount on a mic.
Overall, I think the BDM201in the crotch position is probably the most usable of all of them, with the Shure SM57 an extremely close second in the same position.
sm57 is amazing and I don't know why i sound so biased in this vid hahaha. Listening back I'm always like "yeah the 57 is my preference now" lol
635a is cool but too dark.. can be useful in some situations... I dig it at front of the kit though
Mics as EQ! like the old timers back in the day
Dude I am sold on that EV 635a. Im gonna buy a bunch thanks for the vid man!
it's just great to have some different flavors of dynamic mics that don't break the bank, IMO. thanks for watching!
From what I’m seeing, I’d go EV in crotch position, M201 as overhead, and close mic the snare with the 57 and that SM7b on the kick 🤷🏼♂️😄
love me an all-dynamic set up 🙌🏻
I own two of those 635A mics and neither sound that dark. They were broadcasting mics so yours may have taken a beating over the years.
thanks for watching and listening! Curious if you ever got a chance to try them on drums? I find the 635A wonderful for its intended purpose, namely dialogue. cheers from NYC!
@@MadeOnTape The 635A lives in the crotch position; I usually smash it with a Valley People compressor/gate. I've used it on overhead at an outdoor show before, came out pretty good.
@@frbrty12 I love it there, too! It's been my go-to crotch mic in the studio, especially for louder drummers/styles.
I've never had a chance to mess with a Valley People comp/gate: i've only heard great things! cheers again!
I’d say my favorite overall was easily the BD. I didn’t like the EV sound even once though.
i think the EV shines on context with other mics. i will do a follow up as well demonstrating this stuff in a mix. thanks for watching!
For some vintage-y stuff, one mic works fine. That's what they did on the old jazz records, and that's what I did here. th-cam.com/video/IPEP0fKoWsg/w-d-xo.html
thank you for watching and listening!
Actually was toying with the idea of using pop filter mic overhead to see what happens with cymbal crashing.If no results oh what the heck🤖📡🪐😏
i love these kinds of practical experimentation!
Wow great minds think alike! So many parallels to my approach to drum recording! Very cool man. And do I spy a Yamaha EM series mixer behind ya??
yes! that thing is AMAZING
You seem amazed that this is even possible.
For decades entire bands were recorded with one mic.
I know, I was there.
So was Sam Phillips, Elvis, Roy, Jerry Lee, Chuck, Bo, Johnny , etc.
i’m amazed by our very existence every day! love to hear about your experience 🙏🙌
@@MadeOnTape I started recording with 1 mic, a 1/4v inch open reel mono machine (Wollensak), my parents' basement, and friends who could actually play music, in 1961.
That's how I learned.
Mic placement, instrument placement, acoustics, etc.
We couldn't afford outboard gear so I taught myself electronics and built my own.
Speakers ?
We built our own because we couldn't afford 'real' speakers.
And I kept going.
Early 1990s, I graduated to digital, sttaqe of the art (at that time).
64 track MIDI thanks to Voyetra MIDI interface, 3 Yamaha tone generators, Roland R8 drum machine, etc., etc.
I've worked in television, recording studios (studio bassist), etc.
Now I'm writing my own plugins. Old habits die hard, if at all.
Long story short, you start with 1 mic., 1 MONO tape machine, 1 basement, friends that can play music.
GO.
Keep learning !
May I sample that snare at 3:55?
hey Ian, thanks for asking: absolutely go for it!
@@MadeOnTape thanks so much!
57 in all situations to my ears
i’m definitely going to do a follow up using these examples in a mix! thanks for watching and listening.
I think putting other instruments in like bass and guitar would show that the 57 would fit in better in the mix.
I agree
m201 and sm57
Test the paper 57 please
for that pulpy sound
635a is such a great mic
i’m also a fan!
Ngl 635 feels unusable in all circumstances without a supplementary mic for high end. Maybe if you saturated it. Hmm maybe in the right scenario.
thanks for listening! There will definitely be a follow up where I use these examples in a mix. Cheers!
@@MadeOnTapehell yes! That sounds awesome.
Your 635A sounds broken, mine ain’t that dark 🤔
curious...do you also record to cassette with the 635? could be a factor...could also be broken...could also be context! thanks for listening!
@@MadeOnTape no though I run stuff through cassette sometimes. I just based my impression comparing the sound to the 57. I have two and the other one is actually darker and a little weirder sounding
@@biggsoft6910 I just used the 635 as the room/sax mic in a live jazz recording and it sounded amazing in that context. Curious if just the nature of this "shootout", given placement, affected the way it came across. Again, I love that mic and will add more. I LOVE good little dynamic mics!
Thanks again for sharing!
i love the 635
me tooooo
Drummer plays like he has no balls
this is a ball-less take
@@MadeOnTape I would have loved to hear the mics get driven hard 🙂
Oh yeah tooncing with the pitch control while recording I gotta try that!🤖📡🪐
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appreciate it!