New Ferrari paint is WAY WORSE than you think!
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#Ferrari #Detailing #PaintCorrection
You’re not getting an allocation now lol.
Lolll
I think he knew he wasn’t getting an allocation LOL
Never knew there was a “flood allocation?”
Ferrari acts like their shit doesn't stink. I'm really happy watching their F1 Paddock implode. It's all about perception and Enzo may be in the ground but his pompous attitude still runs the company.
I work at a super high end dealership in dubai and I thought it was the dealerships fault when I noticed a sf90's front bumper to hood sticker was peeling off from the edges, that was until I noticed even another sf90 had the same issue, glad you guys blew out my confusion
which one I'll come visit? :P
Ferrari stripes sit under the lacquer so it’s impossible for them to peel off. They must have been aftermarket stripes applied after delivery.
Did I just watch an 11 minute Gloss-It & Gloss-It University commercial?🤔
BINGO - this is a commercial for a detailing service, and he probably charges a fortune.
I just posted a similar comment before seeing yours 😂
before this, I have never thought about Ferrari paint, after it, I'm still not..lol
So the paint is being rolled back like the odometers?
The amount of money that they're saving on overly thin paint is nothing in the grand scheme of what the cars cost. That's just nuts.
If you’re buying a Ferrari you’re paying for status not quality.
They don't just get to save on materials, but on time. No car is special enough to hold back the production line.
@@micksanti2572 for starting at $520k, I'd hope they could afford to spend more than 1 day painting the car. I've seen $1k kias with better paint work lol
You cannot give Ferrari a paint finish “excuse” at their price point.
This is the correct answer. The cars are ludicrously expensive, at that price point, things like this is inexcuseable at all levels.
So the paint it’s basically like the paint has gone from “solid wood” to “wood veneer” floors.
I worked for the supplier that made raw pigment for Ferrari back in the 2000s. Our yellow pigment was just naturally hard because of the elements that went into it, Ferrari insisted that we make a red pigment with the same characteristics even though we told them it was specific to the process of making the yellow pigment.
Red and black are usually quite soft and you are right there's nothing you can really do about it except pile on more paint. Which they don't do, of course. It just seems off-putting that a Ford Mustang has better paint on it than a supercar. Oh, and a more reliable engine and transmission? You kind of wonder how they actually make a worse car for many times the money.
@@plektosgaming Ferrari knows that their buyers want that badge. They know that they're not cross-shopping with a Mustang, not even a GT350R. It's the same reason why Porsche and Mercedes-Benz and all the other Euro luxury carmakers nickel and dime for things that are standard on a Honda CR-V like adaptive cruise control. They make their cars however they want to because they know their buyers will buy them regardless.
@@bwofficial1776 For sure. Long gone are the days when they actually engineered to beat the competition. How else can you explain things like BMW making one of the best I6 engines ever and then a decade later everything they touch simply explodes or falls apart? Or how Mercedes used to be the pinnacle of quality and now it's impossible to get electrical systems that work half the time. Or electric vehicles from Tesla that are flat-out beat by Audi and VW in every measure except for drag-racing. $120K vs $65K and the consumer car just works and drives better.
that sounds super interesting to me
@@plektosgaminga ford mustang is built with reliability as a factor, a Ferrari isn’t. Why are you comparing the two? They are nothing alike
My wife had a 2004 Passat she bought new. It was painted Silver with Glasurit paint. At 12 years old it still looked brand new even though it was her daily driver. Paint had a lot of depth. Sad to hear that’s no longer the case.
I think silver is one of the best choices for longevity. It hides swirls, scratches, even dirt doesn't show that badly. It's not my first choice, but it definitely holds up well.
@@FreQ135 - To my eyes how good a color looks is model specific. I don’t think all Ferrari’s look good in red. It’s too bad everything on the road these days is white, black and silver/gray with a tiny smattering of blue and red. We’ve gone back to the gilded age where beautiful hues are only available on expensive cars. The rest of us get drab. Probably due in large part to most people leasing these days. When the cars come back the dealers want them to appeal to the widest audience. That said my wife’s old Passat’s silver paint was thick, durable and had a lot of depth. It buffed out spectacularly.
Glasurit is still what Bentley uses. You are required to have Glasurit paint to be Bentley Certified Repair Facility. You also must have your compressed air, chemical tested, sent back to England. As well as tracking on paint and how much you used per repair.
Ferrari can advertise this as added weight reduction and increas the price by 50k.
you joke, but that's been a race car thing for many decades. hell it's a thing for aircraft as well.
superleggera paint option -- $51,999. The titanium silver supperlegera paint option is $100,000
I drive used cars that I wash maybe twice a year and I still found this fascinating. A subject matter expert (SME) that knows and loves every small detail of his craft.
Saving on paint adds lightness to the car! 😂
To that point I am always blown away by the amount of orange peel I'll see on a brand new BMW or Mercedes. You're paying nearly (or over) 100K for a vehicle that needs a color sand and buff to look its best.
There's nothing wrong with orange peel. You don't know what finish the customer wants or how the car will be used.
Orange peel comes from fast drying process that does not give the paint long enough to flaten out. It plenty good enough for your normal buyer.
@@utbigpapa It's when you get paint to sample cars having obvious fuck ups, that things become a real issue.
@@utbigpapa Who actually wants rough paint? If I'm paying that much for a car, I expect it to have paint like a mirror.
@@krusher74 It also comes from fisheye eliminator. They have to use it because anything that has silicone in it will make your clear fisheye. Silicone is used in a lot of different parts of manufacturing.
While this is the case for your normal colors such as rosso corsa. Your special colors like triple layer and custom paints. Those cars get brought to an off site vendor named Zanasi. This is why colors like triple layer yellow will cost $30k extra than lets say giallo modena.
They're just keeping the memory of Enzo Ferrari alive, he had nothing but disdain for his road car customers. Quality was famously so bad that an angry customer ended up founding Lamborghini.
Honest confessions from pro guy just blew my mind, million dollar cars are one which needs paint protection, corrections and Lexus and Toyota's don't.. whaaat
Japanese quality.
@@eilhtitlaoh7275 Its crazy how true that still is.
This is the truth! I detailed for several years and now install paint protection film & see a lot of Ferrari’s. The paint on them is easily the worst. Ontop of massive buffer trails or scratches, I’ve even seen thumb prints and hairs in their clear coat.
Only honest thing this dude has said in entire career
The same robots that paint a Ferrari paint a Kia...
Just wash, decon, wrap it in paint protection film and call it a day. You don't need perfect paint to apply film. The film will hide all minor imperfections.
Why bother to protect shitty paint?
This is 100% TRUE. My detailer, who is very well known and only works on very high end cars, HATES Ferrari and calls the company "The Butcher of Maranello". He says people have no idea just how bad they are painted.
Ok Porsche boy
@@lucamaini4492 Right. That explains why you go and read people comments. Got it.
@@GTSCarLife i’m not interested in your opinion.
@@lucamaini4492 Doesn’t change the facts bud.
@@lucamaini4492 🤣🤣🤣
I believe the expression is tripping over dollars to pick up pennies. It doesn't make much sense otherwise.
It's absolutely crazy for a high end manufacturer to save cost by cutting the quantity of paint laid down. If they're really penny pinching like that, just charge customers more. I cannot imagine a single Ferrari customer who would be unwilling to pay the extra material and manufacturing time cost to lay down more paint.
...iam wondering how Ferrari is gonna sue this video 🤷🏻♀️🤔
For a company that gatekeep's their cars you would think they would keep a high standard of production in every step. Buying a Ferrari comes with a level of expectation, similar to a Rolls Royce.
If the quality isn't there then you're better off buying something else.
I worked for Saab back in the day and got a tour of FAPS at the Newark port. That was the first time I was told about how bad the factory paint jobs are on some of the Italian exotics. Some of these cars that folks believe are all original, actually have full re-sprays before they went to the dealership because the paint was so bad when the cars unloaded off the ship/container.
9:34 damn Yotas, even the paint is good..
lol now I wanna see Larry from AMMONYC here
I'm with you on that. Might as well put Matt about his podcast in.
These cars are made in Italy, which is why you will always find defects in the product. Same with boats, bikes and cars made in Italy. Beautiful machines, let down by finish quality.
Almost every factory paint job is trash... that's why you can always tell when something has been repainted... because it has a decent paint job usually
No dealership will ever have a good detail shop 🤣 they would have to pay someone for that. They don’t want to pay anything, they want as much money as possible. They do NOT want to provide good service.
Maby not where you live 😅
@@kafarske123 lol, dealerships are magically good where you are? Must be another dimension where money doesn’t drive dealers.
@@Prodriver33 no, the sales departement is as greedy as everyhvere else, but the rest of us actualy have some pride in our work.
@@kafarske123 that has almost nothing to do with dealerships. Some kid cleaning off stickers isn’t the problem at dealerships OBVIOUSLY! Stealerships are still shyt nice try. I hope your greedy boss gives you a raise for that nonsense lol
@@Prodriver33 😂😂😂 maby thats what its like in the shitty country you live In... 😂😂😂
ive had a few older VWs with the single stage, and they loved coating those cars thick. you could bring out ridiculous shine on those because you had lots of room to work out scuffs and imperfections. makes the car look a lot fancier than it actually is
I too had a VW Golf mk2 in single stage tornado red, can confirm.
Talk about polishing a turd...there you go.
No, it absolutely IS possible for Ferrari to scale, they just have to be less greedy. We all know that’s not happening though.
I've seen a few tiny craters on basically brand new black Ferraris.
I can tell by the title Ferrari will want to get this taken down 😂
My F430 spider had paint runs between the rear lights from the factory.
I never thought I’d say this, and I feel dirty saying it……..but the paint finishes on Ferrari were better under FCA than today as a public entity. I recently saw a customers car that came in covered in little marks, scuffs, nicks and nibs right from the factory. It’s not the first either, a depressing thought eh.
I found the biggest paint decline in Ferrari paint came between the good 360 and the fair 430. And the newer ones look like they were painted at Hyundai.
You must get a heart-attack if you ever drove your car, and got a stone-chip somewhere…
Post 360 was really a turning point for Ferrari
@@MichaelJames-lz7ni One of my SUV' s has 285000 km ; only 10-15 stone chips on it's original paint. 26 years old and looks almost new.
@@ETM-md7cu Your SUV isn't routinely breaking 100 mph - force = mass (x) acceleration.
@Jimmy Two Times Just-because a detailer says something doesn't make it "so" - the video you're watching is fear-porn for people with more money than sense. This video is a Commercial for someone who wants to overcharge Ferrari owners to 'fix' factory flaws that no-one-else can see.
Cease and Desist incoming
honestly doesn't surprise me one of the big auto makers would have better paint. they do such a higher volume that their equipment most likely is better to start with, and better maintained. if you're painting a couple hundred or a thousand cars a day, having ANY kind of fault is going to REALLY suck, versus painting 1 to 5 cars a day. Look at the (financial, logistical) nightmare that gets created when a single bolt isn't tightened to spec and tens to hundreds of thousands of cars need to be recalled to fix that.
Ferrari isn’t going to be happy about you 😂 you might get a letter in the mail soon
They're not gonna be too happy but I doubt they'll bother with a legal notice in this matter. It actually brings more scrutiny to their state of affairs. In fact, other detailin firms such as NVN and Topaz Detailing have shown how the paint is imperfect on La Ferraris, Monzas etc multiple times over the years n haven't been sued......yet
They probably don’t want to take experts to court who can actually defend themselves
Easier to just harass some memelord who had theirs repainted
He’s been doing this since the early 80’s??? No way! He’d have to be almost 60! No way he’s that old.
My thoughts too!
Used to work at a Posche dealer. The more exclusive and special the car. The worse the paint finish. Swirls and scratches etc. Even under the emblems. The paint correction guys liked their paint but yeah. Some were really rough.
Some of the newest paints off-gas nearly a year after being laid down. My painter let's show car finishes cure for one year before anything is done to the paint.
I think the rule is 60 - 90 days. Water based paints de-gass quicker than solvent based.
This is why I always get one of the special colors that is a tri-stage or pearl or similar paint. Simply because there's a ton more material and it's going to hold up better. And this is on a standard commuter car.
That's not the real vinwiki that replied
@@Mr-pn2eh Obviously :)
The tri-coats definitely look good but I'd be worried about being able to match panels later on if I had a fender-bender.
@@todthebod I had this exact same worry when someone keyed ( OK , more like did an art project on an entire side with their keys ) my car. After a lot of pointed questions, I found a place that dealt with classic cars and knew how to do multi-stage and candy type paint. So it is possible. The huge advantage, though, is that my car at 8 years old looks only about 2 years old. The paint is holding up many times better than the shoddy clear-only paints. The same can be said with pearl coats - that extra paint layer results in 2-3x the life over normal paint. This type of paint used to be standard on luxury cars and now it's spray and forget about it. You kind of expect that on a $25K car, but not on a $250K car.
What cars don’t have orange peel?
Applying paint via pressured atomization will leave peel. Basic physics. It can be knocked down so the peaks and valleys aren't so different. Peel also hides defects in the body.
You'd think that if you're paying six figures for a car you'd be able to shave with your reflection in the paint.
Yet when a body shop repairs one they want paid a ton of hours to wet sand & buff to "match factory refinish"
It’s the other way around. They need to buff and polish the factory paint to match the newly painted parts or areas. Factory paint is garbage.
@@idaholineman5788 Unless it is an NSX lol
@@TheG60528XiJinPing well ya found a very rare exception to the rule.
'Greens' are why we can't have nice things any more
they are using Waterbourne paint... it has barley any film build... that's why its lower compared to base /clear.
Advertisement but pretty interesting
Why would you need to prep a good paint in order to put the Ceramic, if it’s a bad scratch paint I get it, but why selling a service when a car might not even need.
They said some cars dont need it, did you not listen?
You want the coating to bond correctly on a clean surface. And whatever the paintwork looks like will get locked in when the coating/ppf is applied.
@@timkinley1779 thanks
My man looking for a Christmas card from Maranello
😂
Toyota has better quality paint than Ferrari. Just like the drivetrain.
Not always. Ever see the two whites on mid 2010s peeling off in sheets?
In downtown Sacramento Just the other day I finally saw my first LC 500 in red and I have to tell you something that paint that Lexus laid down on the cars incredible the depth of it was amazing no to Hardly any orange peel which I still think manufactured put into the paint to hide the defects on the panels but I bet you if you get a scratch on the car it popped out like a sore thumb, having very little orange peel like that but man I don’t know if anyone has corrected paint on an LC 500 yet!
I own an LC500 in red. You are right the paint is incredible quality. Properly done triple layer paint and guess what the colour is free, they don't charge 30k for triple layer paint the way ferrari does
I here I am, able to detail my Delorean with sandpaper and not really worry about paint
Ferrari build quality in general is worse than anyone thinks. I've seen better welds from a 10 year old Chinese kid who builds those cheap Chinese scooters. 😂 Then nothing lines up on them so they cut huge notches in shit so they can move it to get it set properly with 8 washers on the driver's side and 2 on the passengers side because the bumper didn't fit flush. 😂
I heard that Koenigg's Eggs have the best paint of all exotics. Does that (still) hold true?
I wish I could have a full paint correction and protection service done on my 2021 F-150 in Lead Foot Gray. It has a few scratches and overall it’s orange peeled like crazy.
Are you in the Denver area? If so I can help.
@@Prodriver33 south Texas. But thanks for offering!
@@lucasblanchard47 There are probably five or six shops in your area that do paint correction.
@Lucas Blanchard The entire truck would need to be wet sanded in order to remove orange peel. And after that you would be left with much less paint on your truck. I would highly advise not removing the orange peel in the factory paint job on your daily driver. The scratches are a different story, a shop can remove those for you.
@@timkinley1779 yeah I’ve found some places. I had no idea how expensive that type of service was ha!
I was under the impression that bass clear paint jobs were the older type and that single stage urethane were more common these days. Every time we ever painted an old Chevy or Cadillac 60s 70s 80s we would use base clear. Even on crash damage we would do the same. But we attempted one stage urethane on a rebuilt and it turned out terrible reacting with the factory primer bubbling up like a pizza crust. The only reason I picked single stage polyurethane paint was because I was told it is thicker harder more resilient of a shell than bass clear. I was wanting to paint the car just to make sure it doesn’t rust, I did not even care about the color it was more just to make sure it is completely covered where it could not start rusting and that all the rust spots were taken care of. Candy coating just for longevity.
Just because of this I don’t think I’m ever going to buy a Ferrari…😉
Very insightful & shocking both at the same time.
Maybe that's why I've never really been amazed with Ferrari paint jobs , it's so uninspiring.
Paint? What paint?? When you buy a @Ferrari , you pay for the engine. You get the rest of the car for free. You drive too slow if they see it anyway.
After seeing ford being unable to get lines to line up on a 130k truck, I don't doubt that exotics put little time into paint.
This guy doesn't understand Toyotas issues with white paint......
Call a Toyota dealership body shop and see what the backlog is. I had to wait seven months. Two others were eight months to a year. And they charged back Toyota $8400 to respray the roof on a RAV4.
@@timkinley1779 There is a known paint defect or problem with the painting process where the white paint Toyota/Lexus uses in the last several years will flake off in chunks as time goes by. Doesn't happen with other colors Toyota uses.
@@cesariojpn The fact I typed what I typed should already tell you I am well aware of the issue.
Watching this video before you get a cease and desists letter 😅
for me found very interesting will go watch more
Larry Kosilla has said something similar
Was hoping this was larry when I read the title!
@@phillipbrown582 My guess is he’s not likely anymore due to the GlossIt sponsorship but he’s great
@@theoneandonlybosable sadly, I would much rather see larry!
Porsche uses the same amount of paint... The differences is they know how to finish a car
I did a lot of research into why the 60gb PS3 seemed to be the only “fat” one that doesn’t break. In all others, they used an “environmentally friendly” solder or conductive silver paste. Over time, that evaporated because it wasn’t as good as the “toxic” solder. So what’s more sustainable, a gaming console that will work forever, or tossing out and buying multiple replacement machines?
The same with this. What’s more sustainable, thicker paint or thin paint that needs a whole additional company to re-detail it literally right out of the factory?
Half true. Modern red and silver paints (the most susceptible to UV damage in old solvent paint) last way longer without fading. True part is that Ferrari, as all European manufacturers, don’t give a shit about customers and product durability.
and this is why we bring our cars to the experts… can’t do it all
Goes to show you don’t always get what you pay for after a certain point
mk5 supra gets a better finish on a paint job than a La Ferrari lol. from hoovie and tavarish doing these Ferrari rebuilds, it seems like the welds and paint have issues on most cars they make
Ya shure they engineer great mechanicals but cant get paint right. Lol
My 458 had massive amounts of orange peel. I couldn’t believe the quality for a brand new vehicle.
A couple comments ago you said you bought a Ford GT for 420k cash. The next comment you say that your 3 car collection is worth 70k. Stick to one story if you're going to lie.
@@ImARealHumanPerson👈🏼 Damn son! Keep them honest now, why dont~cha❓ That ol'boy done been Nabbed❗
@@ImARealHumanPerson It's possible that the 458 and GT occupied his garage at different times and that currently neither does. We're in a recession, downsizing and turning that car into cash is a good idea.
Ferrari is the type of manufacturer to say the thinner coats are for weight reduction
Ferrari is the type of guy to justify every dumb decision with "we are Ferrari (in an offensive stereotypical Italian accent)"
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if corporate would acknowledge that imperfections are present from factory or occured during transport, itd be much easier. and maybe we could do something about it on the dealership level before a customer picks up. I know i hate having the conversation why a customers brand new car has imperfections. it reflects badly on dealers that we're calling customers to pick up their brand new car, in a less than pristine state.
even with just microswirls on piano black trim, not how i want ourselves presented to the public
It sounds like the first thing a new Ferrari owner should do before wrapping it or ceramic coating it is to have it given an extra layer of gloss finish sprayed on by a quality paintshop!
And THEN wrap and ceramic coat it (Or vice versa?)
I'm not a paint expert but I'm not sure that's how it works. For the clear to adhere without artifacts, the surface would have to be sanded most likely. Not to mention the hours of prep work in removing badges/emblems, trim, bumpers, mirrors, spoilers, etc to get every crevice. But yeah, aside from that, the clearcoat thickness might be too thin from the factory to properly prep it for more clear on top without damaging the basecoat.
That's what they basically do with ppf. It's a very thick clear coat, then you polish and coat that.
Might as well have the body disassembled and repainted with a eye toward quality and durability. It's extremely expensive and delays you the owner from enjoying your Ferrari but if the factory paint is going to be less than perfect then you might as well tack on the added cost and time anyway.
If you dont sand the surface and you add another clear coat then it would absolutely destroy the finished product. So thats just not possible
This video has convinced me, I think I’ll pass on this model 😂
My 1995 F355 is single stage
exciting news!
My grandmothers new ES has better fit an finish than a 500k+ car?
Either I heard wrong, or no car ever came with 8-12mm of paint
Mil not mm much like measure plastic sheeting
@@luke213gmail ah, learned something new today. Thank you
Let Audi paint the cars?
This is why I want a cyber truck. Screw worrying about my paint job all the time.
This
lol steel is a scratch magnet
It saves money, but it also saves weight.
About the same as skipping a big lunch :)
@5:57 We see Ed's *Missy Elliott Spyker*
Shout-out to Toyota for killing it in the paint department 😄
Ferrari started slipping as soon as Enzo passed away.
Idk the Enzo and the 458 are some of the greatest of all time, apart from that I agree
And the 360 tbf
Enzo is the reason Lamborghini exists. Ferrucio Lamborghini devised an improvement to his Ferrari's clutch because it kept breaking and brought it to Enzo. Enzo told him to stick to driving tractors if his Ferraris weren't good enough. Lamborghini was so insulted that he vowed to build a better car and he did.
One thing when I was a detailer back in the day was actually to try and see if they could be comfortable without a cut and polish because that removes material. Some things it can be very difficult like with thinner coats because only so much can do.
Even more if a metallic single stage. The metal flake will settle out when paint is applied. so when you polish, you thin the color, and leave the flake which will create a shift in color where it can thin out unevenly.
The manufacturers really need to be contracting with guys like this to bring the best of the best out of their product.
I understand they have already made their name but why cut corners. The guys buying these cars will pay for the difference.
Hell if I owned a dealer I’d make sure I could bring this level of perfection to my customers. It would be worth it in the long run.
Thats why you can pay 30k for special paint on your 500k car lmao. I'll stick to Lexus. Far less b.s. and an honest paint job.
So true man. It blows my mind to this day seeing brand new Lamborghini ferarri Rolls-Royce etc come into my shop with da sanding marks, swirls etc etc.
@Ed_Bolian Get lost, we all know you aren't Ed
@@The98deville they seem to be putting in some effort, they actually learned who to impersonate
I used to work for a dealership who sold them and can confirm the paint quality and quality checking in general from ferrari is an absolute joke.
Now, you should do an episode on Lamborghini paint. Talk about slightly problematic lol.
How is porsche paint?
Who owns Alfa, Lancia, Maserati, and Ferrari? Oh yeah, FIAT...a manufacturer never known for making a high-quality, durable, and reliable vehicle.
"It's the 'trickle-down' effect."
Anything over like 80-100k it’s absurd to have any fisheye, orange peel or artifacts in the finish. Absolute bullshit. But a brand new 3,4,500k car should have a close to flawless as it can be from the dealer. That would piss me off so much. Take care of it right now or I swear off your brand forever. And my 250k every other year goes somewhere else. I know Ferrari doesn’t care But some poor dealership owner wants that customer, needs that guys Ferrari money.
I worked at a high end restoration facility for about 10 years. We had everything from muscle cars to multi million dollar duesenbergs. I was never exactly blown away with the Ferraris. They had a lot of issues. Seemed cheaply built. Even the (one of my favorites from the 90s - 00s) Maranello 550 v12 was kinda mediocre.
Never ever heared of Ferraris having bad paintjobs. So this could be either one of two things:
1. Dude is talking up the job at which he probably is really good at.
2. They only ship those with imperfections to the US.
The large productionnumber is a straight up lie. Ferrari only produces 11.000 units per year in total. That's 30 cars per day from five productionlines! Each Ferrari takes three months to complete so the attention to detail is second to none.
I don’t know how much paint they use on cars but from experience the weight per gallon of water based coatings is anywhere from 5-10lbs. If they went from 12-15 mils to 5-6 mils they could drastically reduce the weight of coatings they are putting on the car. For a company that spends millions on alloys to reduce weight it could be a creative solution.
I'm confused. Paint thickness is measured in microns. What the fudge is a "mil". It's not a millimetre. Is it some ridiculous americanism, like a millionth of a foot or something? Interesting video though. It made me laugh when people got upset at Tesla paint quality considering how flawed so many other manufacturer paint jobs are. Some of the Audi and Porsche paint I've seen has had orange peel I couldn't believe.