Ontario Rat 1 & 2 D2 Steel - Still Worth It in 2019?
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Rat1&2 are the gateway drug for all future knife addicts !
Yep!!!
First knife I bought. Still like it a lot. The civivi pintail is pretty awesome too
Yep. Or Rough Ryder for the traditional knife guys. Unfortunately I am both a traditional knife guy as well as fixed blade and folders and every accessory / steel possible. 🤦🏻♂️💸
1st time I cleaned my Rat 1 I was so frustrated, cause I didn't know the washer had to be perfectly centered to be able to tighten down the pivot screw properly 😅
It’s the ak47 of the knife world
Wouldn't the Boker Kalashnikov be the AK-47 of the knife world? It comes in an AK-47 magazine shaped box for goodness sake.
yes 😂
Heck, the AUS 8 versions are still worth it IMO. Still use mine as a work carry and perfectly happy with it. 🤷♂️
Me too I beat the living hell out of my pink rat 1 it’s my work knife but I find myself carrying it daily. My bugout has some tough competition
Hey..just curious what you do at work? I'm just asking cuz I work underground and a gd knife is priceless. Does your rat take a beating? I need one that can handle terrible conditions, get full of mud, dropped, caked in explosives etc.. then get hosed off and be gd to go. My Buck lasted 10 yrs but the blade is a toothpick from quick sharpenings with whatever I can find and I need one handed opening. Sorry for the essay...lol
@@garpikemike1 i dont know much about knives but it sounds like a fixed blade knife would fit u better
@@garpikemike1 If you want a pocket knife I would get the rat 2 in the AUS 8 Steel. It is not as “great” as D2, but it’s more durable in wet conditions that D2. I love my AUS 8 Rat 2.
I just got one
I was waiting for you to say Civivi and I knew it would be the praxis after you saw it. When I first got my praxis upon the release, you were talking a lot about Ontario rat I should have sent in my praxis or bought you one - I knew it would change a few things as it did for me. The price for that level of fit and finish, and upgraded steels over 8cr (coming from the kitchen industry previously, I have a profound respect for vG10) and I love 9cr. I have dropped that knife out of a car and it has a slight nick in the blade and that’s it. It slid across the pavement and I couldn’t find any scratches in the g10. They make quality stuff and I have been singing it from the rooftops. Everyone has been saying how great it is for an Ontario rat at that price and I fell into collecting more than just gerbers and kershaws I was seeing on amazon, after buying my first praxis and Aquila, alongside a crkt Avant. The avant is well ahead of the curve and has the best action on vinyl washers... and for 20 bucks less I get an upgraded steel, and a better fit and finish 😬😬😬 you can’t compete right Civivi. They are far more than just a good company. They are really shaking up the entire market by pushing what used to be budget brands out of the budget category, and into the blister pack / bundle knives category where you get one for free. For $40-$70 you can buy something that would have cost over 150 or so only two years ago. They are one of the biggest reasons why companies will step their game up and why we will all get better knives in the future. I firmly believe that Civivi will continue to push the boundaries and will keep making the knife companies that have been slow to change, rapidly evolve. The Japanese did it with the blade steel upgrades in the kitchen world and we got better steels in our pocket knives as an auxiliary thing. When the Japanese contended with the Germans with Henckels and Wusthoff, we got a nice mix of healthy competition and the knife world exploded in the kitchen. We are about to get the push that we needed to get us out of “cheap knives selling for a higher price” realm when the same material and quality is being offered in a sexier package. Who is going to take the uglier more expensive knife in a couple years - I think we will all opt for the banging value. The amount of value you get with Civivi is remarkable and makes you question whether or not you need some of those other budget knives that may even be more expensive (looking at you Ontario). Until there’s anything better I will continue to scream Civivi from the rooftops.
I bought a rat 1 from Walmart and eventually gave it to a friend. Then I bought an assisted opening one mainly for my wife(who loves assisted openers) and because I thought the lock would work when it's open also. It doesn't but I still like it(the rat1 platform) and it's one of my go to users.
I really like the way black coated blades look after they start wearing after use. I just ordered a Super Freek that I’m planning to use as a beater and I hope I can get a nice wear pattern on my blade.
I have used a Walther BTT since 2014 as an EDC almost every day. I totally love the fonish of the blade now, as there are no real scratches, but the blavk coating just worn off in the edges through the middle of the blade. I'm thinking about getting RAT 1 in coyote/black pattern.
The crisp spine is great for getting sparks off of a ferro rod, scraping fatwood, bark etc.
I gifted this knife to my brother who is in the army about 5 years ago and he loves it. The AUS 8 Steel can be sharpened with practically anything..
I've been a D2 fan since it was relatively expensive. Seeing it come out as a common carry steel is fantastic.
I'm new to the knife world, how expensive was d2 back then? Just curious haha
Agreed, Still a great knife. While I usually have multiple blades on me at any given time for different uses, the R2D2 always lands in the mix.
RAT 1 and 2 are and will always be worth having
Agreed. There may be...and certainly will be...more competitive knives, particularly value for price. But the Rats will always have their place.
Name one that’s competitive in the price range,The closest one I came up with is the cold steel voyager large at $48 it’s also a workhorse but I twice the price
where can you buy rat 2 for 24????
My favorite knife still going into 2021, although that spyderco astute is looking pretty good
The spine of the blade is sharp for striking a ferro rod to spark a fire. Its a survival knife by design from Randalls Adventure Training, thus its name RAT.
And that sharp spine is a great thing on a work knife. Smoothed edges on a few peices of 4 inch PVC yesterday with just the sharpened spine. Thats why my RAT's and Cold Steels are my hard use work knives.... the Sebenza goes out to dinner, but not always.
Watching this with my RAT-1 in 2020. If not the best budget all-user, one of the best by far.
Great run down on some hot spots in the budget knives. I do have a few Civivis, but haven’t really shopped the TwoSun line up. Might have to check them out.
just bout 1 in 2021 and more impressed in the fit and feel vs my spiderco kershaw S&W black ops and sog folders. Feels great in the hand and strong. Im kinda surprised I didnt get one sooner.
Just ordered the rat 2 this vid helped thank you
The RAT 2 (D2) is my small favourite EDC, cheap but greate quality and ergo. I carry that bastard all the time, if i need a bigger knife I use the TwoSun TS89 (S90V/Titanium) thats my favourite cheap (78 dollars on ebay) EDC. I got the RAT 2 in AUS8 also, but its now in my tackle box. Gotta love the cheap greate EDC knifes. Nice vid MC :)
Great video , thanks for sharing !
This thing was built like a tank, still my favourite edc knife.
Yes, it cannot be moved from its position:) if you ask me the praxis is not even close to the reputation of the rat.
Rat knives definitely still have a place. Maybe not for edc, but for a hard use workhorse that wont break the bank if lost, they are hard to beat.
Why not edc?
Definitely the best review I seen , in-depth
Thank you!
I got a m390 blade and copper scales on mine absolutely love it
Rat 1 the big boy! I feel the pocket clip hangs out for a functional grabbing ability. Tool oriented
Good video! I really want a nice little edc that i dont have to worry about beating up. Rat 2 should scratch the itch.
Rat 2 still a great edc in 2022 with the civivi elementum as a fine competitor.
Hell yeah Ganzo Knives Rock 👊🤘✌ their 440c use to be the top steel years ago.an their D2 with bearings so yeah a good built knife at a great price.
I’ve had the R2D2 for Edc / work and it’s great. Can’t beat how light it is. Thinking about getting a rat 1 but I’m weary because of how heavy it is.
I've carried a rat 1 everyday for almost the last year and honestly it's not bad at all, I often times find myself checking my pocket to make sure it's there, I love it, it's my main EDC knife
I would guess it depends on what you’re wearing. I wear work clothes with a belt all the time and I pocket carry a buck 110 at about 8 oz. It doesn’t bother me. If you’re wearing slacks or gym shorts all the time or are really sensitive about weight maybe be careful, but honestly I don’t think 5 oz is much to worry about.
The Praxis and the other "$42.00" Civivi line are truly great budget knives , but then Civivi jumps to around $68.00 and up and I have no idea why, and that kills it , for me anyway. But to truly knock off the Rat's , imo , they would have to tighten the tolerances and use Bronze washers that are as smooth as or smoother than the Rat's , because that's what makes a harder use , edc , work , budget knife so great and be able to stand the test of time , and until that happens the Rat's are still King , imo. And don't hold your breath , because no one wants to use Bronze washers any more, it's just cheaper and easier to throw a set of Bearings in there and crank'em down and forget about it .
Knife of the decade?
Yes.
I really liked the video. I believe that the R1 and R2 are great knives. Yes I believe
Carrying a budget knife is probably the smartest thing to do, but once you move past them carrying one again is like trying to unlearn for me. I'm at the point to where the 0562 is my beater, hard to go back now.
Really liked the model one. Have 2 of them. Carried it for a while till the lock failed on me on the one. Just too scared to carry them anymore. Good for a budget blade though
It can be scary when that happens. But honestly, given how many of them are out there given the value of the Rats, the incident rate is really low. Just wondering, what type of use did it fail under? Was it your crazy daily beater?
They are still the kings in my opinion in that it's the first knife I'd recommend to anyone asking. My Aus 8 R2 has been a better performer than my Benchmades. Spydercos, and a slew other knives in my modest collection. And the only other knife that comes close is my Kizer Vanguard Dukes (I shaved the flipper tab to about half). But, oddly enough, I edc my 940-2 the most and after I get it reground, it'll be just about perfect for me. Until...
Fun fact about titanium
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That's actually very interesting lol
As someone who has a titanium plate in my head, I find this comment super cool.
Saw today on the sale-feed at Blade HQ some of the top Steel Wills - Cutjack, Modus, and Intrigue - all in D2 from $32 - $35. I carry my Modus more than my R2.
Big fan of steel will. Cut Jack is great , so is the mini Gekko, the Gekko is not really in the budget realm ,but a great outdoor user.
@@tankcrowe5417 I have both the Rat-1 and the Cutjack. Both are very good. As a straight up work knife, I'd say the Rat is the winner just because of the thicker, heavier handle which works much better in a gloved hand. Very thin and slicey blade with decent ergos.
I love the Cutjack as well, it has a better fidget factor as a flipper, and is also no slouch in the cutting and slicing category. The knife really locks into the hand, especially with that forward finger choil for finer tasks. I will give the Cutjack a ding for the scale texture being almost too grippy against the pocket clip, but after wedging 2 quarters under the clip for the first two nights I had it, that wasn't nearly as much of an issue.
Both knives are great, but I'd still recommend the Rat first to a knife noob or someone looking for an upgrade to their gas station special as a great all-around cutting tool.
Currently deciding between rat 2 and cutJack. I know it's a different length but Rat 1 is no longer available in my country.
Suggestion? Go for rat 2 or cutJack?
Spiritual successor of those old workhorse Bucks
How does the Spyderco Efficient compare to the Rat II?
Are you planning to get the s35vn version? Thanks, for the video.
Great video Brotha! I don't get the point of an assisted RAT, mine rockets out everytime anyway, I think the assisted model is just gonna be harder to close, and create legality issues for people in certian areas, like me in PA where the lines between assisted, and automatic are very blurred.
Sharp spine = striking a ferro rod.
Also scraping leather strops.
2023 and I recently purchased my first Rat 1 in D2. I should be hanging my head in shame.
I only bought it because I had bought a SP53 and Kukri machete to do some work around the place and found out that Ontario was closing its doors.
I should have been supporting them more than having a few of their butchering knives.
Can't find a Rat 1 black/orange. Are they still being made? Ordered off Ontario Knives Rat 1 black/od green A
For me these are the great knives rather than those overpriced knives that even never used saying best everyday carry but not everyday use. Shout out to my Rat 2 AUS 8.
What about Eafengrow brand knives? Know anything about them? I see them all over Amazon and they claim to be D2 steel and actually look kind of nice but they are most in the $25-$30 price range.... Thought about getting one or two just to try out but didn't know if you knew anything about them
The RATs look like your most used knives.
They have certainly seen a ton of use
Great budget option.
Any experience I've had with ganzo QC has been poor personally. Things I've had to fix etc. I agree with most the other options you showed as good competition though.
For most general users I think going over $50 is past "budget" though.
I have 3 Ganzos and none of them had any issues. I think you just got unlucky.
If you are looking at a Rat 1 for a harder use outdoor knife. Not extreme hard use but it will take some dirt. In 2023 what are you recommending? Still the Rat or something else? I love the Praxis but the bearings give me pause
I bought a rat2 on your recommendation, though I'm thinking of getting the 1, I kinda wish they would upgrade the steel to something more modern.
www.google.com/amp/s/www.wayofknife.com/amp/reblade 😉
2021 still awesome
In bulgaria they sold these for 115 leva (65 dollars) and this is the only place where I can get'em from...
Rat 1 in Aus 8 dramatically out cuts Ontatios D2. Folks that cut test like Outpost 76 and SSSteve confirm this, and that's been my experience as well. Buy the Aus 8 Rat. The baseline Rat is a classic workingman's knife and will never let you down. And for the price you will actually use it !!!
Jay Strongbow This. I have a lot of way more expensive knives that I like to play with and carry on my days off but when I go out the door for work my RAT 1 is what’s always in my pocket.
I’m gonna end up buying another Rat 2 it’s great for the price point and holds a great edge
Links in the description 😉
Actually picked it and a izula 2 up today
I’ll have one in my console as a backup
Hell yes! Both are BOSS
I can tell you I own an Osborne 940 a mini griptillian a Spyderco delica a bug out a ka bar dozier and a R2d2 and it gets all the pocket time unbelievable knife like nick shabazz says this knife is far better than it has any right to be. #justbuyit
Watched this and ordered a rat 1 immediatley for 47 bucks (Australian Dollars) i think i have a problem haha seems like its great value for the price tho, what do you guys think of it?
Is there a recurve on the Bareknuckle near the tip, or is it just an optical illusion? I've almost bought one a few times but that potential recurve puts me off.
Definitely not a recurve in terms of the cutting edge. The only curvature is in the shape of the "nose" at the tip. The cutting edge is one consistent curvature 👍
@@metal_complex awesome, thanks for the the info! I could never get a straight answer from others.
Is that paint on the rat II
Just picked up a Rat 1 and wow it’s sharp! Aus8 blade! Goodbye Spyderco made in China!
Should I get d2 or aus8, i live about as north as you can get in America, where it isnt that humid, and it would be used every day. Everything from opening a package, to bushcraft tasks.
Either steel is fine 👍
@@metal_complex one other question, is aus8 really as bad as people make it out to be? Thanks.
The r2d2 is by far the best bang for your buck knife out there I've had 2 the first one finally broke the tip after years of hard abuse when I threw it into the ground and it hit a rock my second ones going on 2 years now I'm not as hard on this one and besides a few blade scratched it looks brand new.
Was yours black coated? It looks like it's paint on the blade
@@billm7166 no I always get the non coated one feel like it cuts much better.
@@jakehansen3418 I live in the Philippines where 420HC rusts in 2 weeks
@@billm7166 dang that stinks I live in the Midwest so not really an issue.
@@jakehansen3418 it also makes it very limited as to what knife I can have shipped here. Since it is definitely paint after getting an email from bladehq I will be getting a qsp hawk with 14c28n steel
I recently purchased the Rat 1 and was disappointed with the liner lock. It was very stiff and difficult to push down to close the knife. I tried to open and close it a bunch to break it in, but it became too painful after a while and I returned it. Do you think it was just that one particular knife or is that normal? I'm tempted to order another one, but not if that's a common problem.
That is definitely not normal. I've handled 6 in total between the 1 & 2. Never had that experience
@@metal_complex That's what I thought based on my experience with the Rat 2 which I love. I'll likely give its bigger brother another try.
@@metal_complex Thanks for the quick reply.
These knives in Canada are like 100 bucks after tax. Is it still worth buying it? I priced out a spyderco PM2 and it’s going to cost me $260 after tax. Is it still worth spending that kind of money?
Sounds like no matter what you buy, you're gonna spend a little more there. Hard for me to make that call.
Walmart had rat 1 on sale for $13.. talk about a deal.. ..i bought the only 2 my local Walmart had..
Omg it's 70 bucks here in Singapore for Rat 2. Damn.
Yea I guess there still useful I do the same I throw it in my car center console I forget it’s there I’ve used it for so long that it boars me I can live with or either out I basically put mine rat 1 out to he Pasteur it’s done its job for many years. I now use nicer and have daily to weekly choices.for carry again I work in an office as an executive so I am into Gents if I use it it’s going to be not that hard if on weekends and I’m doing harder work I still use other knives I no longer gave a use for the Rat 1 anymore . Ganzo is great especially for value who ever doesn’t like it don’t buy it and don’t put a negative comment cuz they use Ganzo as size comparison that’s just stupid. Sorry Rat thanks for always being there when I needed you but you will always be in my car just incase but I’m done with the Rats. Yea they can be useful but I choose not to use anymore but I won’t get rid of them
Little did we know the pyrite was coming. In Canada in 2023, the Rat 1 and 2 are $60 and $50. It makes no sense to recommend the rat anymore when there are so many other examples with better ergonomics and materials.
I have owned my rat 1 for the past few years. Im on number 3 atm because i keep losing them. Best knife ive ever owned
There is a deep carry pocket clip for the Rat 1
They are good knives but there are better choices now in the same price range. Civivi Honeybafger and Bestech
c k better design blade shape scales and action
Lol after owning so many knives that cost 5-6x more than the rat, I finally just ordered a D2 coyote brown Rat 2. Cant wait to see what all the hype is about
Gasosphere good but heavy
I just did the same. Brown rat 2 in d2. I already have a rat 1 in aus 8 and i like it but it's a little big in the pocket.
Same i just ordered the coyote d2 rat 1 cant wait
So what are the thoughts on the Brown Rat in D2. Leaving me hanging here about to order!
@@hammy517 just get it and thank me later
I just ordered a R2D2 today. Came very close to getting the Civivi elemental, but in comparisons it just looks fat, and imo profile is everything.
Does anyone have both, and/or feel the same way about profile and have good recommendations?
I have both, they are couple of my favorites.
Yes but the Rat has the little oiling holes. Rat for the win
The rat models are just super tough justbcant beat them buggers
Still worth it in 22? I just got into knives.
Rat 1 and 2 3 years of fairly daily abuse. Can't beat it. Simple, comfortable design.
This teamed up with a sak the best combo ever and so budget friendly wasted hundreds on knives as well and somehow a 60 pound combo works best 🤣
best edc knife is a box cutter.. gerber exchange a blade is 2.2 oz with a stupid sharp razor blade which is $25 cnd, a modern frame lock same as the eab from gerber is best. liner locks are ok but it is a 8th the thickness of the tang, so a liner lock sucks as bad as 304 stainless. as for steel ppl will hate but 8cr is harder, more stain and wear resistant compared to some expensive steels. 8cr is alway lower mid tear on hardness, toughness wear resistance, sharpen-ability so on but "better" steels are at the bottom of some at top of few
Funny because I also prefer to carry an EAB lite from Gerber over a traditional pocket knife. Literally 0 worry about using it as a beater, and never have to worry about the blade lol. I have a supplemental keychain multitool and then some other blades in a bag nearby, but really a utility blade satisfies most of my needs
@@TheTuneAce i wrote that horribly lol.. the eab was my edc of choice but the pilar is my new fav knife
i find ppl baby their 200$ knives. cheap knives you can abuse and they usually last awhile
@@devonmacdonald7807 the Pilar large has caught my eye for it's sheepsfoot blade. For some reason, I prefer that blade shape (probably because of utility blades lol). Recently I picked up an Ontario rat 2 in D2 to see how I liked D2 steel and to practice sharpening it. After that, I might get a Pilar or a bestech texel
@@TheTuneAce im waiting for the d2 flatiron. i got the aluminum scale one, they have been releasing alot of nice sheepsfoot blades in the last 4 years. its rare i carry anything that looks pointy lately
Always be popular I think
In terms of a budget folder, I have never met anything that meets the standard of my RAT-1. Period. She's tough af. Jus' sayin'.
"Fidget factor" - I collect traditionals, so I talk of "fondle factor"!
He’s absolutely wrong on the 5 body screws that why I like the rats it gives it integrity of the build it’s a hard use knife I’m no fan of liner locks this is the only one in me fold and the most carried that said if you are a couch flipper and box cutter it doesn’t matter what knife you by as long as it’s pretty go to any gas station and enjoy.
RAT 1 SUPER knife!!!
Nice video. Regret buying D2 RATs - slick carbon fiber, sharp liner lock, etc. If you believe you HAVE to own a RAT, go for it. But there is no comparison to the Twosun TS-49 or my Civivis. I mean, it's not even close! So many better choices...
For 3 times the price. I hope it doesnt compare to a $25 knife such as the rat.
@@countryfriedent Not so. Check out the price of a D2 RAT 1.
Is it still worth it in 2023?
Gonzo knives?
I looked them up. The correct spelling is "Ganzo." Prior to watching this review I had never heard of them.
👎 Ganzo 👎
Twosun looked like a cheap chinese knife to me...like one of those 10 dollar amazon jobs.
I have heard so much good about civivi but i just really dont like how they look, thet dont look rugged or hard, they just look too vanilla and wierd
That's how I felt about Spyderco... until I bought one.
@@metal_complex i love spydercos but i cant see myself paying 100+ for a knife that i wont even use that much im a stingy guy
Maybe do a cut test? Sorry dude ive watched several of your videos, but not a single one shows the performance of the knife. All you do is show how pretty they are... do you even use a knife? Or just collectect them.
lol @ getting arrested over a knife .01 mm too long. Hopefully they'd give you 5 mph, like the traffic cops
Tip up
38? They’re like $25 on Amazon!
For D2? Sounds like Aus8 prices. I could be wrong. Check the steel 👍
Whatever CRMOV, hell nah
Still worth it in 2023!
Made in Taiwan.
Come on let's support our brothers and sisters.
I don't hate anyone or wish bad will on anyone or group. But if it costs me a few dollars more to support our economy I'm all in.
Steve Novack problem is it isn’t a few extra it’s like double or triple.
@@denzelsnyder3425 th-cam.com/video/44f4Ehjkdwk/w-d-xo.html
@@denzelsnyder3425 it isnt all about cost.
@@denzelsnyder3425 have you ever heard of "Made in China 2025". If not look into it.
@@denzelsnyder3425 you look at it the wrong way. The reason things seam expensive to us. Is because the American blue collar worker doesn't make enough. Because we're to willing to spend our money overseas. If you got a raise of triple what your making now. Would that American made knife seem so expensive.
I don’t get why people even like these knives. For the price there are so many other knives that blow this crap away. It’s just a cheaply made and overall sucky. Just my opinion, rather buy a free tiger or ganzo all day long.