"The Crimson Legend who seems to have passed through time and space" seems to be true, because Nine-Ball show up in another game "Another Century's Episode R" where many mecha universe characters get throw to another universe fighting each other.
@@AnatoliasAce3341 Annihilator, yes since it is pointed at him being the main character of armored core master or arena. Zorro-x and crimson will probably not.
Ah the infamous Nine-ball, the feared crimson legend that passed through time and space. The Char Aznable of Armored Core. This opponent is a nightmare to fight as it's attacks are brutal if you're not too careful and the fact it turned out to be a AI is a surprise which make sense as a second Nine-ball showed up after dealing with the first one and it's true intention is to guide humanity. This is a legend that will forever live on as the crimson legend that many feared to face unless you're fully ready to face it head on.
You know the funny thing is that in Another Century's Episode R Nine-Ball Seraph has to literally be jumped by three other mechs many of whom are armed to the teeth with specialty weapons to defeat it yet Seraph not only is the strongest unit in the entire game it is implied that the Hustler One A.I. was not inside of it at the time.
Took 3 super robots to take down one perfected and optimized AC. If it wasn't held back by that game's antagonist, imagine the destruction it would cause if it was Hustler One piloting it....
I've always justified 9ball popping up constantly as a sign the ai is still somewhere in the background. It seems almost like a benevolent skynet, and may well be distributed across the earth, even in places deep enough to survive humanity's repeated attempts to destroy the planet.
@@frezzypop4973 when you think about it, Nine-Ball would theoretically be opposed to All-Mind due to the difference in the way they go about their goals.
Also notable: Nineball Seraph appears as a boss and unlockable playable unit in Another Century's Episode: R, the only Armored Core unit to have appeared in any of Banpresto's mecha crossover properties. It really *has* transcended time and space.
Speaking of a world-governing AI, I cannot wait until you discuss about the Controller, or DOVE. I have a theory that it did not malfunction at all, and was in fact was trying to hinder the corporations: it had already determined that the surface was habitable, but did not want the corporations to spill to the outside world with their near complete influence over the average citizens of the Layered, and possibly start another Great Destruction. The Controller’s primary directive is to ensure the survival of humanity after all.
That theory falls apart when we consider that tons of citizens were dying due to pollution by it malfunctioning. My theory is it became obsolete and wanted it to be rebelled.
@@andrewrogers3067 okay, So when there were minor malfunctions in the Layered, the three corporations were more busy warring between themselves and brushed off the Union’s concerns. When the malfunctions caused the Controller to turn against the citizens of the Layered, the corporations prioritize saving their own asses and Mirage in particular actively tried to hinder any attempts to enter the Controller’s Core, believing that it can be salvaged somehow. It was only due to the Union’s and the Raven’s efforts that humanity survived; and it seemed that Controller’s core was still functional enough to open the exit to the surface. DOVE could have still withhold the information about the surface due to not trusting the corporations.
I may have a limited knowledge of the entire Armored Core Series, but I feel like Nine-Ball is pretty intimidating, not only because of its skills as an AC, but the idea that there’s a distinct possibility that the AI is still alive and operational despite the games’ eras and timelines. It’s kinda like an AI that never lost its purpose. It may no longer be in control of humanity, but it still has its mission.
Oh if one sits down and thinks about Nine-ball is a terrifying foe. As you say it can simple live on in other machines and it is set on a goal forever there is no stopping the ai really if it can escape it will. Who knows maybe we'll see a nine-ball type foe in AC6.
Without a shadow of doubt the best villain in the entire series. Genuinely a very understandable villain despite being an AI, humans are inherently self destructive, and we see that especially throughout the entirety of the series and in real life. It’s logical, yet cruel to limit humanities freedom for its safety, and it’s illogical but understandable why Leos destroyed it for revenge. Great villain. I wonder though if Hustler One gets Human Plus benefits automatically by being an AI. Every AI AC in the series with exception of a non-canon one in MoA has Human Plus/OP-I
Man I miss original universe AC. A quirk exclusive to the Nine-ball AC is that, though the pulse rifle he uses is available to the player, his version fires much faster and in bursts, making it a dps monster. This was carried over to Another Age as well. Speaking of which, during the loading screen of the Eliminate AC mission, the mission nickname is seen as "Hustler-One".
I like the theory that all the Armored Core games are in the same canon, it's just that the world keeps getting fucked so hard that everyone just keeps forgetting the previous game, so I like to think that Nine Ball keeps getting resurrected so it's basically the same one throughout the series.
Wait wait wait, if that's the Case, ¿Then where Armored Core 6 should Take Place? ¿After AC2 And Another Age? ¿Or the "Good ending" of Armored Core For Answer?
All these years of playing nearly AC games, I never dived into the lore on what was going on in these games story wise. All I was focusing on being a better pilot than the previous mission, and destroying everything that got in my way. I don't because I was too young or what, but man...you really make me want to fire up those classic titles to come up with my own theories if there is still room for newcomers in terms of philosophies. Thanks for providing us old ravens content that recharges my AP. Keep it up!
Its a pleasure and i can say there will always be room for new and old ravens to throw thier theories and ideas about because what one set of eyes may see, another may see differently.
Ac fans foes that will haunt with its "Target verified,commencing hostilities!!" and its theme,it even so well known in mech genre that it make its way to another game in Anoter century episode:R.
It makes me happy that there are still so many people showing their love for the armored core games. Thank you for helping to keep it alive with these lore videos.
I hope in the new AC game is added in again. If not as something for the main story, something as DLC at least. And if they add him in I hope they make him hard as hell to put the terror into newer players.
Nice! The AC name "Nineball" is to catchy to forget. Especially if he massacred the player many times. I fought him with multiple setups before beating him. Thank goodness Karasawa is a thing. Hahaha~
I know not all AC games have connected storylines (some even take place in their own separate universe) but I hope nine-ball makes some sort of a comeback in AC6. He is too iconic for the series to not be included. I'd be fine even if it was just a cameo. Maybe it managed to hack into an AC garage and build itself a NEXT. Or maybe it's trying to rebuild its AI mainframe somewhere and you'll have to fight off against legions of Gen 1 nine-balls guarding it.
I want Nine Ball to appear in Armored Core 6 so bad. Like as a secret boss or something. Just so the people who thought Malenia was hard would get floored at what a real boss has to offer. Plus, it would mean Nine Ball continues to do its work all the way out in Rubicon. That would just thicken the plot further.
Well actually, in Brave New World it's just the craft, a shell. The one piloting it is called "The Black Unknown", and it also created the Lahire and Alicia ACS as "Next Gen Prototype" ACs.
Some will say "you can't have your cake and eat it too" but this my cake I'm eating like a Ai attempting to protect Humanity by all means necessary. Loving first gen lore can't wait to see 3rd gen at some too 👀
Ahhh yes Nineball known as the the malenia of armored core, the nightmare of all pilots and mercenaries including ravens and even if he is left in the old past, it will always strike fear in all ravens core. I would be down for armored core master of arena anime or movie now I think about it like I would love to see people reaction on why many people who have play armored core fear nineball existence (especially nineball seraphs as well)
I think it's cool how this series has progressed over time. Even if they aren't strictly in the same timeline, the absolute terror of Nineball in the early games contrasted with Freud's dismissive "AI controlled ACs are all the same" implying not only is such a thing common this far in the future, but has become utterly banal and very skilled human pilots have probably developed a style of combat to exploit their quirks, akin to anti-computer chess. Edit: another cool series thematic/visual evolution related to Nineball I noticed a while back is the progression from Nineball Seraph to IBIS from silent line to CEL-240 Ibis. IBIS had wing shaped funnel container things evocative of Nineball Seraph's wings, and CEL-240 looks radically different, but keeps the wing shaped funnel containter thingies and the name basically solidifies the resemblance. Not to mention it has a distinctly six winged looking silhouette, and Seraphim are the angels with six wings.
True the idea that ai controlled ac are not longer these powerful foes is interesting when back then nineball and ai itself was seen as major threats and saviours. However i will be honest there is only so many times from can dip back to the ai well for ideas then again instead of nineball we now have allmind who manages to take out the vespers and many other skilled human pilots.
My favorite mecha of all time but there's a lot of units that really stand out as well like 03-AALIYAH, IBIS, White Glint, N-WGIX/v and many more to mention. I've beaten this Crimson Nightmare in AC MoA without the aid of Human Plus enhancement. That's the most satisfying moment for me as a kid at the time and gamer.
Ah shit to me this just means allmind was the voice in handler Walter's head in AC 6 as well as he piloted a crimson AC with features similar to NINE BREAKER 9 ball. Not to mention his AC was an old gen lostech AC as well. I love this callback ngl. Not to mention how allmind was actually Sus straight from the beginning with Carla already questioning what is the arena system is when we first fight her in the arena. Carla as well being a survivor of fire of ibis implying she has live nearly thousand years and never heard of such a system.
I would like to state that the original idea for 9 ball appearing in the unknown weapons facility that would later be come to known as the internecine is that it was revealed in an interview with one of the developers the old weapon facility was actually meant to be the original h1ai but you didn't hear that from me 🤔 It was so eerie encountering a random 9-ball unit in another age the loading screen kind of gives it away but still though shock Factor
the facility at the end of Nexus is mostl likely the Internecine, whihc makes the unit you fight there a prototype of what would become the 1st Pulverizer Units.
Exusia from ACV and Verdict Day reminds me of Nine Ball Seraph, and Chief’s role in ACV is eerily similar to that of the A.I. behind Hustler One. Do you think that’s what the devs of the last two games were referencing?
@@armoredcorelore a friend of mine let me play his copy of The Last Raven, and i found a copy of Silent Line on Amazon. I used to have For Answer, but I sold it when I got my Xbox one. I've only been able to beat Nexus and For Answer. I am not good at these games 😂
@@superdarklink Ah well we're in the same boat there, i am not what other ravens and lynx would call a skilled at ac piloting in fact it's fair to say i bumble my way through most missions. But hey thanks for sharing as i said its nice to hear how people came into armored core.
Just imagine if he Returns in an AC6 Expansion as an Alternative Allmind Route where he Showed up, something like he travels between Timelines to Fulfill his Duty of Preserve Humanity and it's Potential no matter the Version of his world we're talking about, after all, Both AI's are Quite the Opposite of each other in terms of Purpose and Goals. But unlike ACE: R, this time Hustler-1 is Piloting Nineball.
The funniest thing is. In the latest game the greatest pilot possible according to it v 1 freud made the claim that ai controlled Weapons platforms due to their programming made them predictable and boring. And he's not wrong. Well infuriating. Once you got down the pattern it has no chance. And when I heard those words from v one. I thought back to my fights against nine ball. And I realized he was absolutely correct.
The thing about Nine-Ball's identity is that it lends itself well to impersonation as well. Nine Ball COULD be multiples of the same ai mass produced, or it could just as easily be a completely different project by another entity who wanted to invoke the name from a story they heard, a defunct project, or a historical record they found somewhere. It could be scavenged remnants of the original ai, or something completely unrelated to H-1, because so little is known about it or the Raven who destroyed it.
Very true and maybe i think why Nine-ball is a character that sticks with people. It that air of unknown that surrounds this ai that makes it cool plus the fear it installs in all ac player with its soundtrack.
I assumed the AC series were all part of the same world and timeline, just separated by vast distances and times for the ones that don't seem that way. It could even be explained by timekeeping discrepancies. Maybe they reset their calendar or are on a different calendar for whatever system they are in. Like for AC6 there's nothing that says it isn't just thousands of years and thousands of lightyears away from the events of the other AC games. Speaking of AC6, I find it fitting that the Coral is red and there's an entire motif of the red glint specifically and red in general. Seems like another nod or throwback to the old games.
Well that is an interesting idea. And why not? Ha ha. As i have said many times I for one even as a lore guy will always say to people theories and the idea that all are armored cores are connected are always welcome. Its what makes the series fun for people, so why be all NO but the timeline in the books and this and that! Have fun with it =) But as for the throw backs on fromsoftware love them, the parts that look like older gens, the ai theme its all here.
the figure who built the nine breaker program is JACK-O. he believes that whoever completes the whole program is " THE DOMINANT" and that is also the reason why the training missions in the game were HARD AS F*CK. and another purpose for it is for jack-o to hire skilled pilots for his rebellion in armored core the last raven
Well it certainly would please a lot of the older fans. And i think we may get something like nine-ball in the new game after all ac does like AI in it story lines.
Small fact: Nine-Ball is in AC: Nexus Revolution as an easter egg, but only those who know the history will spot it. In the submarine mission, Lana Nielson is the operator for the Raven during that mission.
True as its a retelling of past events and to anyone reading this if you have watched this video you now know that Lana Neilson is a name and a voice that the ai controlling nineball used to control the events of MOA.
Some say that he appears in other mecha works as a masked figured sporting a red mecha under an alias of a genitalia. He would soon meet his match before sending a colony down unto Earth before fragmenting into pieces with his rival.
I had the assumption about the lost field, that the government in AC1 created Nineball, and in AC2AA they're still secretly developing weapons like Nineball. It makes me think they knew about the lone Nineball unit running around and chose to watch it fight other Ravens, instead of helping. Maybe for potent battle data to improve Nineball's performance. it also makes me wonder after that battle how long the government has been watching the cooperations and *YOU* the raven do things. When the government invites you to explore the lost field, maybe to them it's like a *field test.* They want to see what their new and improved Nineball can do, by defeating (killing) the strongest raven.
Sure although we never get confirmation about nine-balls creator only that the ai is the creator of AC's, you could say the AI was created by the corp union who formed after the great destruction. As for nine-ball in ACAA i would agree that the government let the last nine-ball roam around after all they did not really care for ravens since they granted them freedom in AC2 and where busy trying to keep an eye on the corporations who even admit at one point, they feel the government is limiting thier free trade. As for the lost field i can't prove what it was really for, so as you say either earth government were playing with old tech and wanted too see how it would do. Or its just there as something for the gameplay not the lore side of things.
Loved the video. With all the talk of a new AC game the last couple of years do you want it to be more like ACFA or more like ACVD? Personally I liked the speed of 4th gen more than the slower play of 5th gen
That's a tough one i admit i like For answer speed and the story, but i like VD as it made it feel more like you were controlling this bulky heavy mech. In truth if i was putting my dream hat on i would a mixture where we have maybe the game would have two stories, one which focuses on a group of Next users who do speed-based and air missions while another route would use a group of VD AC's who do missions like base holding and infiltration.
I really like that idea. Give the best of both for sure. Plus from soft definitely has the budget to bigger and better titles now too. One thing I’d like to suggest maybe this is to specific for the individual game but in acfa what makes certain next more suited for energy based combat vs ballistics?
Imagine if nine-ball appears in ac6… If not on fires of rubicon itself theres still a possibility for DLC like sequels like they did with previous generations
@@armoredcorelore considering our character uses the callsign "raven" i could see them potentially adding nineball. though they did say something about "raven" being someone else's call sign... my wishful thinking likes to assume maybe perhaps its a nine ball or hustler one perhaps? lol.
@@zefellowbud5970 Hey it could happen. For all we know we're going to have an alien ai behind the scene and its got it own force of special weapons and armored cores.
One thing to consider the name. Hustler One. A Hustler who makes money by fraud and swindling. Nine Ball. In pool/billiards, it is not of any particular importance. In hindsight, his generic-sounding tough guy name was really telling us "don't look at me I'm not what I seem!" Wonder if there are any interesting anagrams.
Nineball.... yes... its also to note that AC2 has a callback to AC1 if the EN script is to be believed Leos Klein asks the Raven "What is it that you seek" which is weird considering Leos Klein is the MC of MoA so shouldnt actually know what the protagonist of AC1 actually hears when they encounter the AI that controls Raven's Nest as MoA is a "soft" reboot of AC1 which inturn becomes callbacks probably in AC3 verse and Silent Line to fully destroy the system thats keeping the human race ignorant and underground there are 2 sets of AIs thats running the entire "show" DOVE and IBIS
I thought hustler one was a real person in the events before the first game. He then died and to continue using the fear of his prowess corporations brought him back by integrating his ac into the AI. Which is what you deal with in the game. A magazine in japan released a picture of what he looked like when he was human back in the 90s.
Was it this picture? Just curious. www.reddit.com/r/armoredcore/comments/xnpimd/nine_ball_from_the_armored_core_official_data_book/ Sadly it has always been shown that hustler one is just a cover name for the ai. Since in its data bank there is no information on anyone named hustler one but there is data on h1. It simple used this name as an act to be able to work as a raven who could make corporations grow or fall and be able to take out anyone who wasn't part of the program. After all ravens kill all the time for money.
@@armoredcorelore yes It was the art book not a magazine. It's been so long. I could be wrong, cause I was like 12 when I played ac 1 and was extremely limited on how I got my info back then.
@@adamcappella8088 Honestly i complete understand as teen me had no idea about any of the lore of ac. Its only as i got older that i got interested and i can even say now i still get stuff wrong.
I know I'm late to the party and not an AC player YET but what if the reason why Nine ball seems to survive in some shape and form it that it had sub AI or something just scattered about and while some who retain their 9 ball origins rebuild using what ever they had or finished their last commands while more advance one become their own personality, some in control of hidden factory's, while others whole bases, and maybe some hidden away in unknown space sora like Rasputin from Destiny would that explain it repeated appearance ? and other similar AI ? like it just had other AI manage things for him so he had more Processing Power for it goal and after he got destroy some continued his last order while other went autonomous and became something other than 9 Ball ?
Late or not always happy to talk AC. Its very possible the ac community has a lot of theories about Nine Ball's ability to come back from the dead again and again. We do know nine-balls Ai was able to spilt itself as you thanks to AC1 and master of area happening at the same time since it seems without both the raven in ac1 and Leos Klein in MOA taking down thier part of the AI, it would have go on. Saying that we see nine-ball return in AC2AA as this wandering AC who is killing armored cores without much effort. So this could have been the last Ai of nine-ball looking for to complete its goal. Again Nine-Ball Ai is very open to ideas to how it worked as there is some theories that it managed to get into the human plus enhancements of Leos Klein which is how he said the same words the original Ai said to its killer the raven of AC1.
I wonder if the earth in AC6 is like it was in these games. Would be intresting if theyw rre all connected and we just gradually get further from earth but still spreading our fucked up combat stuff.
What about that nineball with a Karasawa and two grenade cannons? (also isn't the Seraph-type in a brave new world color scheme black and controlled by a completely different AI.)
Apparently the "Nineball" from Nexus is not supposed to be called "Nineball" because the original Japanese version just has the name as "???" and the "Nineball" name that we see in Nexus is just possibly a mistranslation. According to sources it is supposed to be called the "Prototype Pulverizer" which makes much more sense.
@@Lighzy Oh sorry my head was in clouds, Nine-balls emblem can be unlocked after you have complete every mission if memory serves me. As for the colours honestly this was nearly a year ago so my memory is a bit fussy. However all i really did was get a picture of nine ball and play around in the paint for a couple of hours. Sorry i could not be more help.
"The Crimson Legend who seems to have passed through time and space" seems to be true, because Nine-Ball show up in another game "Another Century's Episode R" where many mecha universe characters get throw to another universe fighting each other.
I'm not going down that lore rabbit hole.
@@armoredcorelore What about Code: Crimson and Zorro-X/Annihilator? Will you do a video on those?
@@AnatoliasAce3341 Annihilator, yes since it is pointed at him being the main character of armored core master or arena.
Zorro-x and crimson will probably not.
@@armoredcorelore Aw. But hey thanks I really like Annihilator.
Ah the infamous Nine-ball, the feared crimson legend that passed through time and space. The Char Aznable of Armored Core. This opponent is a nightmare to fight as it's attacks are brutal if you're not too careful and the fact it turned out to be a AI is a surprise which make sense as a second Nine-ball showed up after dealing with the first one and it's true intention is to guide humanity. This is a legend that will forever live on as the crimson legend that many feared to face unless you're fully ready to face it head on.
True but less blonde hair and asking his rival to come stop him as he's about to do something very bad.
We need the Ribbons Almark of Armored Core
@@armoredcorelore and this one stay true to its goal and no betrayal 😆
well, AC is made by the guy that made Macross, Shoji Kawamori, who also worked on Zeta Gundam, amongst other things.
@@armoredcorelore and less overt homoerotiscim
You know the funny thing is that in Another Century's Episode R Nine-Ball Seraph has to literally be jumped by three other mechs many of whom are armed to the teeth with specialty weapons to defeat it yet Seraph not only is the strongest unit in the entire game it is implied that the Hustler One A.I. was not inside of it at the time.
Another century's R. Now that's a game with a very deep rabbit hole of lore.
@@armoredcorelore
One that involves Multiple Timelines as well many Crossover Titles Aside from Banpresto's Super Robot Wars Series, Right?
Took 3 super robots to take down one perfected and optimized AC. If it wasn't held back by that game's antagonist, imagine the destruction it would cause if it was Hustler One piloting it....
@@kaizer087And now Imagine if such Monster was Powered By Both Kojima Particles from AC4 And 4A, And Coral from AC6 ☠️☠️☠️
I've always justified 9ball popping up constantly as a sign the ai is still somewhere in the background. It seems almost like a benevolent skynet, and may well be distributed across the earth, even in places deep enough to survive humanity's repeated attempts to destroy the planet.
Oh god so it’s all mind
@@frezzypop4973 when you think about it, Nine-Ball would theoretically be opposed to All-Mind due to the difference in the way they go about their goals.
@@Nicknock-rw4go not only, but it would kick Allminds ASS
Also notable: Nineball Seraph appears as a boss and unlockable playable unit in Another Century's Episode: R, the only Armored Core unit to have appeared in any of Banpresto's mecha crossover properties. It really *has* transcended time and space.
And i refuse to go down that lore rabbit hole.
Why not? You should definitely do the OG series of SRW
me when another century is just shittier macross:
Call it coincidence.
This guy didn't just appear in Another Age.
This guy also appeared in Another Century.
that itself is terrifying in context.
And now the legend can go on.
Hahaha nice!
Just wait till Nineball makes a return in a game called Another Era
Speaking of a world-governing AI, I cannot wait until you discuss about the Controller, or DOVE.
I have a theory that it did not malfunction at all, and was in fact was trying to hinder the corporations: it had already determined that the surface was habitable, but did not want the corporations to spill to the outside world with their near complete influence over the average citizens of the Layered, and possibly start another Great Destruction.
The Controller’s primary directive is to ensure the survival of humanity after all.
That theory falls apart when we consider that tons of citizens were dying due to pollution by it malfunctioning. My theory is it became obsolete and wanted it to be rebelled.
@@andrewrogers3067 okay,
So when there were minor malfunctions in the Layered, the three corporations were more busy warring between themselves and brushed off the Union’s concerns.
When the malfunctions caused the Controller to turn against the citizens of the Layered, the corporations prioritize saving their own asses and Mirage in particular actively tried to hinder any attempts to enter the Controller’s Core, believing that it can be salvaged somehow.
It was only due to the Union’s and the Raven’s efforts that humanity survived; and it seemed that Controller’s core was still functional enough to open the exit to the surface. DOVE could have still withhold the information about the surface due to not trusting the corporations.
It will be quite the topic. But i still have some subjects to cover in ac1 to master of arena before i move on.
I've waited long for this day
I second this.
Oh hey Hustler 👋
Well i hope it meets the expectations.
I may have a limited knowledge of the entire Armored Core Series, but I feel like Nine-Ball is pretty intimidating, not only because of its skills as an AC, but the idea that there’s a distinct possibility that the AI is still alive and operational despite the games’ eras and timelines. It’s kinda like an AI that never lost its purpose. It may no longer be in control of humanity, but it still has its mission.
Oh if one sits down and thinks about Nine-ball is a terrifying foe. As you say it can simple live on in other machines and it is set on a goal forever there is no stopping the ai really if it can escape it will. Who knows maybe we'll see a nine-ball type foe in AC6.
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Oh god, it's fucking ALLMIND isn't it?
Without a shadow of doubt the best villain in the entire series. Genuinely a very understandable villain despite being an AI, humans are inherently self destructive, and we see that especially throughout the entirety of the series and in real life. It’s logical, yet cruel to limit humanities freedom for its safety, and it’s illogical but understandable why Leos destroyed it for revenge.
Great villain. I wonder though if Hustler One gets Human Plus benefits automatically by being an AI. Every AI AC in the series with exception of a non-canon one in MoA has Human Plus/OP-I
He was chaotic neutral
@@DavidAdamBishop I’d argue chaotic good.
Well its never stated, however i think the Ai would have used everything it had at it advantage to keep its plan going. So i would say yes.
Man I miss original universe AC.
A quirk exclusive to the Nine-ball AC is that, though the pulse rifle he uses is available to the player, his version fires much faster and in bursts, making it a dps monster. This was carried over to Another Age as well. Speaking of which, during the loading screen of the Eliminate AC mission, the mission nickname is seen as "Hustler-One".
All true for i still see pink balls of death in my ac dreams.
I like the theory that all the Armored Core games are in the same canon, it's just that the world keeps getting fucked so hard that everyone just keeps forgetting the previous game, so I like to think that Nine Ball keeps getting resurrected so it's basically the same one throughout the series.
Its a good theory.
Wait wait wait, if that's the Case, ¿Then where Armored Core 6 should Take Place? ¿After AC2 And Another Age? ¿Or the "Good ending" of Armored Core For Answer?
All these years of playing nearly AC games, I never dived into the lore on what was going on in these games story wise. All I was focusing on being a better pilot than the previous mission, and destroying everything that got in my way. I don't because I was too young or what, but man...you really make me want to fire up those classic titles to come up with my own theories if there is still room for newcomers in terms of philosophies. Thanks for providing us old ravens content that recharges my AP. Keep it up!
Its a pleasure and i can say there will always be room for new and old ravens to throw thier theories and ideas about because what one set of eyes may see, another may see differently.
Ac fans foes that will haunt with its "Target verified,commencing hostilities!!" and its theme,it even so well known in mech genre that it make its way to another game in Anoter century episode:R.
It did, but i refuse to go down that lore rabbit hole.
Oh my God it's finally here.
It makes me happy that there are still so many people showing their love for the armored core games. Thank you for helping to keep it alive with these lore videos.
An thank you. It is a pleasure as its a series close to my heart.
We're going to need Hustler One and ALLMIND to duke it out so we can find out who the best A.I. is
I know who i am putting my money on.
Considering ALLMIND lost control to Iguazu, after jumping Raven with 6 mechs and 2 C-weapons. I don't think it has a chance.
The face of armored core's antagonist.
Who's symbol still makes ravens twitch.
@@armoredcorelore Indeed to a tee, no matter what iteration. Lynx pvp's or otherwise.
I hope in the new AC game is added in again. If not as something for the main story, something as DLC at least. And if they add him in I hope they make him hard as hell to put the terror into newer players.
I think Nine-Ball just puts terror in any player new or old. But a return for the legend would be nice and i would have to edit this video.
Hope they have him back for dlc. I’d like a chance to tango with the seraph himself
Well......we got something similar in the form of the AI waifu, ALLMIND
Nice! The AC name "Nineball" is to catchy to forget. Especially if he massacred the player many times. I fought him with multiple setups before beating him. Thank goodness Karasawa is a thing. Hahaha~
Oh tell me about it. As you can see i had to result to a tank ac to deal with nine-ball in ACAA.
Nineball's emblem as an ultimate award for S-ranking all normal missions in ACFA shows how much bloody aura the name and emblem alone carries.
And heartache, on the heartache.
I know not all AC games have connected storylines (some even take place in their own separate universe) but I hope nine-ball makes some sort of a comeback in AC6. He is too iconic for the series to not be included. I'd be fine even if it was just a cameo. Maybe it managed to hack into an AC garage and build itself a NEXT. Or maybe it's trying to rebuild its AI mainframe somewhere and you'll have to fight off against legions of Gen 1 nine-balls guarding it.
Ah there is always a chance even if not named Nine-ball, we may have an AI trying to control the tide of events.
I want Nine Ball to appear in Armored Core 6 so bad. Like as a secret boss or something. Just so the people who thought Malenia was hard would get floored at what a real boss has to offer. Plus, it would mean Nine Ball continues to do its work all the way out in Rubicon. That would just thicken the plot further.
I admit having nineball back would be a nice call back, but oh the lore.
Well actually, in Brave New World it's just the craft, a shell. The one piloting it is called "The Black Unknown", and it also created the Lahire and Alicia ACS as "Next Gen Prototype" ACs.
Nine-Ball is the Goro Majima of Armored Core
Oh such great games the Yakzu series. Never had some much fun running a club.
Some will say "you can't have your cake and eat it too" but this my cake I'm eating like a Ai attempting to protect Humanity by all means necessary.
Loving first gen lore can't wait to see 3rd gen at some too 👀
Thank you and we'll get there.
You did this wonderfully! I never played master of arena so i learned so much about the mythical Nine Ball. Please keep it up. Love the content
Thank you for your kind words.
I love the final mision of master of arena, great work on the video, love it too.
Thank you for your kind words.
Ahhh yes Nineball known as the the malenia of armored core, the nightmare of all pilots and mercenaries including ravens and even if he is left in the old past, it will always strike fear in all ravens core. I would be down for armored core master of arena anime or movie now I think about it like I would love to see people reaction on why many people who have play armored core fear nineball existence (especially nineball seraphs as well)
This AC was legendary, extremely tough and brutal, needed to have the special part you get from a sequence of actions in the first game.
Legendary indeed.
another century can choose many mech as boss and they choose nineball
Well I'd say nine-balls got a good cv for it.
Imagined if From drops a DLC for AC6 that features a mysterious red AC.
I know a few ravens and lynxs who would be very happy.
I think it's cool how this series has progressed over time. Even if they aren't strictly in the same timeline, the absolute terror of Nineball in the early games contrasted with Freud's dismissive "AI controlled ACs are all the same" implying not only is such a thing common this far in the future, but has become utterly banal and very skilled human pilots have probably developed a style of combat to exploit their quirks, akin to anti-computer chess.
Edit: another cool series thematic/visual evolution related to Nineball I noticed a while back is the progression from Nineball Seraph to IBIS from silent line to CEL-240 Ibis. IBIS had wing shaped funnel container things evocative of Nineball Seraph's wings, and CEL-240 looks radically different, but keeps the wing shaped funnel containter thingies and the name basically solidifies the resemblance. Not to mention it has a distinctly six winged looking silhouette, and Seraphim are the angels with six wings.
True the idea that ai controlled ac are not longer these powerful foes is interesting when back then nineball and ai itself was seen as major threats and saviours. However i will be honest there is only so many times from can dip back to the ai well for ideas then again instead of nineball we now have allmind who manages to take out the vespers and many other skilled human pilots.
My favorite mecha of all time but there's a lot of units that really stand out as well like 03-AALIYAH, IBIS, White Glint, N-WGIX/v and many more to mention. I've beaten this Crimson Nightmare in AC MoA without the aid of Human Plus enhancement. That's the most satisfying moment for me as a kid at the time and gamer.
I know that feeling and the times i pulled my hair out with the loss. Keep up the great work raven.
Imagine playing Armored Core VI and you hear the voice line "Target verified. Commencing hostilities"
That's one way to test if a raven is a flight, flight or freeze person.
Ah shit to me this just means allmind was the voice in handler Walter's head in AC 6 as well as he piloted a crimson AC with features similar to NINE BREAKER 9 ball. Not to mention his AC was an old gen lostech AC as well. I love this callback ngl. Not to mention how allmind was actually Sus straight from the beginning with Carla already questioning what is the arena system is when we first fight her in the arena. Carla as well being a survivor of fire of ibis implying she has live nearly thousand years and never heard of such a system.
Nine ball seraph in another age is a bully, can't utilize air combat ac without getting multi vertical missile.
Yep found that out the hard way. Rip my only missiles AC, you tried your best.
I would like to state that the original idea for 9 ball appearing in the unknown weapons facility that would later be come to known as the internecine is that it was revealed in an interview with one of the developers the old weapon facility was actually meant to be the original h1ai but you didn't hear that from me 🤔
It was so eerie encountering a random 9-ball unit in another age the loading screen kind of gives it away but still though shock Factor
the facility at the end of Nexus is mostl likely the Internecine, whihc makes the unit you fight there a prototype of what would become the 1st Pulverizer Units.
Welp now i wait for my ps3 to arrive and Armored Core For Answer to finally get back into the groove of things and have fun with it
Here's to you having a good time Lynx.
@@armoredcorelore thank you
Best character ever!
Never played those games, but I had heard of Nine-Ball alright
Exusia from ACV and Verdict Day reminds me of Nine Ball Seraph, and Chief’s role in ACV is eerily similar to that of the A.I. behind Hustler One.
Do you think that’s what the devs of the last two games were referencing?
It possible, the issue with ACV is its story is a little all over the place and it deals with aliens according to the book.
Probably just a homage. Since V is its own world with 4/4A
Nexus was my first Armored Core game, so that iteration of 9Ball was my first.
Oh neat. It is always nice to hear when ravens joined in.
@@armoredcorelore a friend of mine let me play his copy of The Last Raven, and i found a copy of Silent Line on Amazon. I used to have For Answer, but I sold it when I got my Xbox one. I've only been able to beat Nexus and For Answer. I am not good at these games 😂
@@superdarklink Ah well we're in the same boat there, i am not what other ravens and lynx would call a skilled at ac piloting in fact it's fair to say i bumble my way through most missions. But hey thanks for sharing as i said its nice to hear how people came into armored core.
@@armoredcorelore hell yeah man. I'm hype for the next game.
Just imagine if he Returns in an AC6 Expansion as an Alternative Allmind Route where he Showed up, something like he travels between Timelines to Fulfill his Duty of Preserve Humanity and it's Potential no matter the Version of his world we're talking about, after all, Both AI's are Quite the Opposite of each other in terms of Purpose and Goals.
But unlike ACE: R, this time Hustler-1 is Piloting Nineball.
It be quite epic as a secret boss.
Master of the arena in 2022? Mad respect
Thank you.
The funniest thing is. In the latest game the greatest pilot possible according to it v 1 freud made the claim that ai controlled Weapons platforms due to their programming made them predictable and boring. And he's not wrong. Well infuriating. Once you got down the pattern it has no chance. And when I heard those words from v one. I thought back to my fights against nine ball. And I realized he was absolutely correct.
The Myth the Legend It Self Nine Ball
And now his time to shine is here again.
@@armoredcorelore yes
The thing about Nine-Ball's identity is that it lends itself well to impersonation as well. Nine Ball COULD be multiples of the same ai mass produced, or it could just as easily be a completely different project by another entity who wanted to invoke the name from a story they heard, a defunct project, or a historical record they found somewhere. It could be scavenged remnants of the original ai, or something completely unrelated to H-1, because so little is known about it or the Raven who destroyed it.
Very true and maybe i think why Nine-ball is a character that sticks with people. It that air of unknown that surrounds this ai that makes it cool plus the fear it installs in all ac player with its soundtrack.
I love giving ptsd
You certainly do.
I assumed the AC series were all part of the same world and timeline, just separated by vast distances and times for the ones that don't seem that way. It could even be explained by timekeeping discrepancies. Maybe they reset their calendar or are on a different calendar for whatever system they are in.
Like for AC6 there's nothing that says it isn't just thousands of years and thousands of lightyears away from the events of the other AC games.
Speaking of AC6, I find it fitting that the Coral is red and there's an entire motif of the red glint specifically and red in general. Seems like another nod or throwback to the old games.
Well that is an interesting idea. And why not? Ha ha. As i have said many times I for one even as a lore guy will always say to people theories and the idea that all are armored cores are connected are always welcome. Its what makes the series fun for people, so why be all NO but the timeline in the books and this and that! Have fun with it =) But as for the throw backs on fromsoftware love them, the parts that look like older gens, the ai theme its all here.
R.I.P Nine Ball, The original Ephemera, (F)
the figure who built the nine breaker program is JACK-O.
he believes that whoever completes the whole program is " THE DOMINANT" and that is also the reason why the training missions in the game were HARD AS F*CK.
and another purpose for it is for jack-o to hire skilled pilots for his rebellion in armored core the last raven
It possible as we never really got an answer who this person really is.
Armoredcorelore be like: Somehow, Nine-ball returned.
Well with so many Nine-balls roaming about its hard to keep up.
The goat
This would be interesting seeing it’s return in the new armored core game.
Well it certainly would please a lot of the older fans. And i think we may get something like nine-ball in the new game after all ac does like AI in it story lines.
Sick video. I love you.
Thank you =)
Small fact: Nine-Ball is in AC: Nexus Revolution as an easter egg, but only those who know the history will spot it. In the submarine mission, Lana Nielson is the operator for the Raven during that mission.
True as its a retelling of past events and to anyone reading this if you have watched this video you now know that Lana Neilson is a name and a voice that the ai controlling nineball used to control the events of MOA.
The controller, where we go it follows through Husler 1 the 9 ball
Some say that he appears in other mecha works as a masked figured sporting a red mecha under an alias of a genitalia. He would soon meet his match before sending a colony down unto Earth before fragmenting into pieces with his rival.
Don't forget his many lovers and blonde locks. Yes i have been catching up on gundam.
Amazing work! How did I just now discover this channel?
Thank you for the kind words and i hope you'll stick around.
Commence the hostilities...
Not again. Where is my tank ac?
@@armoredcorelore Lmao.
I had the assumption about the lost field, that the government in AC1 created Nineball, and in AC2AA they're still secretly developing weapons like Nineball.
It makes me think they knew about the lone Nineball unit running around and chose to watch it fight other Ravens, instead of helping. Maybe for potent battle data to improve Nineball's performance. it also makes me wonder after that battle how long the government has been watching the cooperations and *YOU* the raven do things.
When the government invites you to explore the lost field, maybe to them it's like a *field test.* They want to see what their new and improved Nineball can do, by defeating (killing) the strongest raven.
Sure although we never get confirmation about nine-balls creator only that the ai is the creator of AC's, you could say the AI was created by the corp union who formed after the great destruction. As for nine-ball in ACAA i would agree that the government let the last nine-ball roam around after all they did not really care for ravens since they granted them freedom in AC2 and where busy trying to keep an eye on the corporations who even admit at one point, they feel the government is limiting thier free trade.
As for the lost field i can't prove what it was really for, so as you say either earth government were playing with old tech and wanted too see how it would do. Or its just there as something for the gameplay not the lore side of things.
@@armoredcorelore Definitely true, the lost field could be fan service, I just hope we're getting another AC game, we desperately need one tbh.
It’s finally here!!
Great video!
Thank you.
I imagine nineball can talk. He could interact with other ravens
Indeed Nineball can and has been the voice of quite a few people.
this is hype
Loved the video. With all the talk of a new AC game the last couple of years do you want it to be more like ACFA or more like ACVD? Personally I liked the speed of 4th gen more than the slower play of 5th gen
That's a tough one i admit i like For answer speed and the story, but i like VD as it made it feel more like you were controlling this bulky heavy mech. In truth if i was putting my dream hat on i would a mixture where we have maybe the game would have two stories, one which focuses on a group of Next users who do speed-based and air missions while another route would use a group of VD AC's who do missions like base holding and infiltration.
I really like that idea. Give the best of both for sure. Plus from soft definitely has the budget to bigger and better titles now too.
One thing I’d like to suggest maybe this is to specific for the individual game but in acfa what makes certain next more suited for energy based combat vs ballistics?
Imagine if nine-ball appears in ac6…
If not on fires of rubicon itself theres still a possibility for DLC like sequels like they did with previous generations
It is possible and it would be a neat nod to the past.
@@armoredcorelore considering our character uses the callsign "raven" i could see them potentially adding nineball.
though they did say something about "raven" being someone else's call sign... my wishful thinking likes to assume maybe perhaps its a nine ball or hustler one perhaps? lol.
@@zefellowbud5970 Hey it could happen. For all we know we're going to have an alien ai behind the scene and its got it own force of special weapons and armored cores.
Nine Ball In Armored Core Fires Of Rubicon
Who knows? We'll see.
"heard you've been lookin for me"
Here's hoping Nineball is piloted by Patches in Fires of Rubicon. Perhaps Walter Patches.
If it is no wonder he likes dropping people from great heights.
Nine-Ball is a beast
In reality is Patches who controls 9-ball
Who else.
Hustler1 always looked like a terminator
Hmm yeah i can see it.
If this thing shows up in 6, I will shit my pants
...o n g o d.
If Nine-ball does, i think even our coral fuelled pilots will have trouble.
I hope he appears! Nineball is Iconic.
The legend of legends!
One thing to consider the name. Hustler One. A Hustler who makes money by fraud and swindling. Nine Ball. In pool/billiards, it is not of any particular importance. In hindsight, his generic-sounding tough guy name was really telling us "don't look at me I'm not what I seem!" Wonder if there are any interesting anagrams.
You didn't go over the weapons and abilities of its units. Still great video though. Thank you.
You make a good point. Maybe i'll follow up on that one day.
Nineball.... yes... its also to note that AC2 has a callback to AC1 if the EN script is to be believed Leos Klein asks the Raven "What is it that you seek" which is weird considering Leos Klein is the MC of MoA so shouldnt actually know what the protagonist of AC1 actually hears when they encounter the AI that controls Raven's Nest as MoA is a "soft" reboot of AC1
which inturn becomes callbacks probably in AC3 verse and Silent Line to fully destroy the system thats keeping the human race ignorant and underground there are 2 sets of AIs thats running the entire "show" DOVE and IBIS
I came by because of the new game and I wanted to remember the old days
Well i thank you for coming here and i hope i didn't do the old days any injustice with my coverage.
You took me through memory lane with this one. Fond memories of losing my shit trying to defeat 9 Ball on the ps1 lol. Thank You man.
I still do that now, really should practise. Thank you for sharing your ac memory with me.
I thought hustler one was a real person in the events before the first game. He then died and to continue using the fear of his prowess corporations brought him back by integrating his ac into the AI. Which is what you deal with in the game. A magazine in japan released a picture of what he looked like when he was human back in the 90s.
Was it this picture? Just curious. www.reddit.com/r/armoredcore/comments/xnpimd/nine_ball_from_the_armored_core_official_data_book/
Sadly it has always been shown that hustler one is just a cover name for the ai. Since in its data bank there is no information on anyone named hustler one but there is data on h1. It simple used this name as an act to be able to work as a raven who could make corporations grow or fall and be able to take out anyone who wasn't part of the program. After all ravens kill all the time for money.
@@armoredcorelore yes
It was the art book not a magazine.
It's been so long.
I could be wrong, cause I was like 12 when I played ac 1 and was extremely limited on how I got my info back then.
@@adamcappella8088 Honestly i complete understand as teen me had no idea about any of the lore of ac. Its only as i got older that i got interested and i can even say now i still get stuff wrong.
*IM STILL, IN ARMORED CORE: NEXUS*
The OG Invaded by dark spirit
Do you think we'll ever meet him again on the distant shores of Rubicon?
Well maybe as a secret boss. But who knows?
Nine-Ball puts the fear of God into me.
Me too.
Along with Zinaida from Last Raven.
Love the video just wish the mission breifing wasn't a whisper
Hmmm seems my audio tuning may have affected it. I will have to make a note.
I know I'm late to the party and not an AC player YET but what if the reason why Nine ball seems to survive in some shape and form it that it had sub AI or something just scattered about and while some who retain their 9 ball origins rebuild using what ever they had or finished their last commands while more advance one become their own personality, some in control of hidden factory's, while others whole bases, and maybe some hidden away in unknown space sora like Rasputin from Destiny would that explain it repeated appearance ? and other similar AI ? like it just had other AI manage things for him so he had more Processing Power for it goal and after he got destroy some continued his last order while other went autonomous and became something other than 9 Ball ?
Late or not always happy to talk AC. Its very possible the ac community has a lot of theories about Nine Ball's ability to come back from the dead again and again. We do know nine-balls Ai was able to spilt itself as you thanks to AC1 and master of area happening at the same time since it seems without both the raven in ac1 and Leos Klein in MOA taking down thier part of the AI, it would have go on.
Saying that we see nine-ball return in AC2AA as this wandering AC who is killing armored cores without much effort. So this could have been the last Ai of nine-ball looking for to complete its goal. Again Nine-Ball Ai is very open to ideas to how it worked as there is some theories that it managed to get into the human plus enhancements of Leos Klein which is how he said the same words the original Ai said to its killer the raven of AC1.
that feel when you Nine the Ball
I wonder if the earth in AC6 is like it was in these games. Would be intresting if theyw rre all connected and we just gradually get further from earth but still spreading our fucked up combat stuff.
Well we have theories they are connected, even if we got the official timelines for some the games. Nothing wrong with a bit of theory crafting.
@@armoredcorelore absolutely not I love it tbh
@@BigPanda096 Me too. Don't get me wrong i like facts. But for ac and video games, movies why not?
You forgot to mention nineball also have appearance in last raven known as Code crimson and the Ac named Baby's breath
More a cameo i would say.
I've watched this twice. And this is the third time. I freaking love this video.
Three times! Well at least i know who to come too for a review.
@@armoredcorelore I'll gladly give one. And the total as it stands if memory serves is now at five times.
This makes six, possibly seven.
Nice video! I didn’t know anybody cared about this legend.
Hmmm..I think the love and care for Nine-ball almost rivals that of any waifu.
What about that nineball with a Karasawa and two grenade cannons? (also isn't the Seraph-type in a brave new world color scheme black and controlled by a completely different AI.)
1:11 - 1:14 I started to realized you actually suddenly mumbled XD
Yes i should be better at this by now. However, i still slip up. But every new video is a learning experience i say.
If i dump $200 worth of mods into a 1998 honda civic with 250,000 miles will it turn into a nine ball?
Paint it red and add the nine ball theme and who knows.
Apparently the "Nineball" from Nexus is not supposed to be called "Nineball" because the original Japanese version just has the name as "???" and the "Nineball" name that we see in Nexus is just possibly a mistranslation.
According to sources it is supposed to be called the "Prototype Pulverizer" which makes much more sense.
The whole idea of "Prototype Pulverizer" just fans theory. Not anywhere in the source.
Great video. How did you get the Logo and whats the Color Setup?
Thank you and the video logo was just made from google imagines put into paint.net.
i meant the one on the AC ingame@@armoredcorelore
@@Lighzy Oh sorry my head was in clouds, Nine-balls emblem can be unlocked after you have complete every mission if memory serves me. As for the colours honestly this was nearly a year ago so my memory is a bit fussy. However all i really did was get a picture of nine ball and play around in the paint for a couple of hours.
Sorry i could not be more help.
Good enough boss, tysm!@@armoredcorelore
You a G bro
Thank you.
Ares is a ninebreaker in ac2
moonlight video?when?
Probably in November.