All-Season Vs. All-Weather: Here's The Difference Between Tires On The Tesla Model Y!
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- GIVE THE GIFT OF A TFL T-SHIRT! You know the truck and car lovers on your list want one. (www.duckco.com/tfl-store). The Tesla Model Y got new tires for winter! These are "all-weather" tires, designed for better wet and cold pavement traction than dedicated winter tires. Here's how they compare to the stock all-seasons and how we plan to test them!
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We made those tires in my plant! Hello from South Carolina
Large rims with no sidewall tires is the worst thing ever put on a car. These new wheels and tires looks so much better.
I actually like bigger side walls on tires nowadays. Is that a sign of getting older? 🤔
Not at all. It's a sign of being practical. 21" wheel with skinny tire is just begging for a pot hole blow out and lot's of wasted money, lol
@@jasonhatfield4747 rides so much nicer
Lol. I was just telling my wife how I’m old school and love chrome on my truck. Hell I’m not even 50 years old yet.
same here! xD even fitted my Fiat 500 with fatter tires. Ride is quieter and smoother. Back in the days a would have preferred skinny tires over ride comfort xD
I like low profiles up until I hit a pothole with my alloys wrapped in 225/45-R18s. Cracked the wheel and insurance deductible was a grand. Thankfully, they were oem wheels and it came with a full sized spare, but it was a cheaper finish and so I had to replace the wheel and tire. Firestone Firehawk GT2s were not cheap when they were new. And a wheel from a salvage yard that had a couple scuffs was still $200. I would've bought aftermarket wheels, but it would have killed the resell value.
Wheres the Defender update, we all want to know.
Having summer and winter tires will always be the best option though.
Last winter I switched to the crossclimate suv (prior gen) tires and they are great. Saves me the hassle from needing to do the 2x/yr tires switch.
These tires perform much better in the snow than regular all season tires - at least I was able to drive up my local snow covered hill last winter in my fwd minivan while a awd Audi was stuck. But these are no comparison to the prior blizzaks I had in the snow.
However, we only get snows 3-4x a yr, so 95% of the time the roads are either dry or wet, not covered w snow, which these tires perform better than typical winter tires. Overall, I’m happy w them, except for tire noise.
100 % correct. No compromise. 👍
I completely agree but some people don't want to deal with changing tires and just get all season
@@Alex.AL_26 I completely understand this too.
@@Alex.AL_26 I totally agree - it was just too much of a hassle to change out the tires 2x/yr, have a separate dedicated winter tire/wheel setup and find limited storage space in my garage to store the off season tires/wheels. I still think winter tires are best in the snow, but now I'm getting older, i've succumbed to the philosophy that's it's safest not to drive when the roads are bad.
I can't find an update on this story. Did I miss it or haven't you done a summary of the tire switch?
Looking forward to these tests!!!
Good information for those that don't know all these facts. I am looking forward to see how these new tires work out in the snow. Thanks for this.
I'm excited to see how the all weather tires work out!
Thank you for the video. I just put Continental VikingContact 7 tires on my Long-Range Model Y (& posted a quick test drive video). They handle well and have good traction. I choose these tires as they were a good balance between comfort/noise and snow performance. I've been pleased with them so far. My thought was to have two tire sets - with a different set for each season. Bring on the deep snow!
I’m looking forward to these videos...I curbed my 21 inch uberturbines on my model y....I was so bummed. So I am looking at possibly replacing to 19’s...I’ll wait to see the data you’ve gathered. Wonderful vids as always gents.
I hope you will do a dry pavement acceleration test for all those performance owner fans out there.
What was the size of tire you put on the front and rear?
I’ve read a lot about these cross climate tires it will be good to see some real world testing .
Real world test in TeslaForums show a loss of 9% on efficiency
Interesting Roman, 3PMSF rated passenger tires, have never seen that before. I'd be curious to see how they compare not just to real snow tires, but also 3PMSF rated AT tires like the BFG KO2 and Hankook Dynapro AT2.
very valuable video for those in the Northern USA
I size down on my winters to the 17s on the base model over 18s on my mid range SUV. Definitely more compliance in the cold. It seems silly to have low profile tires and over 7"of ground clearance IMO.
Can't wait for your results. Please use the same road you did the winter tires test last year for comparison.
It would be nice if these were good enough for occasional snow use. I can't wait to see the results, because there are lots of places where it almost doesn't snow enough to justify snow tires, but it snows enough that typical all-weather tires aren't good enough.
I was using Finnish Nokian all weather tires back in the early 2000s, Canada we(s)t coast and they were excellent especially in the wet.
I prefer dedicated winter rims/tires as I do now on both my car and my wife's.
Martian tires 👍🏻. Can't help but think of 'Space Modulator'
I had the Nokian all weathers on my awd equinox for two years here in Manitoba and they were excellent even on packed snow/ice on hills in the valley. Only issue was that they became really loud at highway speeds as they wore.
@@rod22lt Yeah, I just put new set of Nokian winter tires on my wife’s X1 and they are noisy on dry asphalt.
Be safe in MB!!
the crossclimate is a low rolling resistance tire... i just bought a set two months ago and so far so good
In an effort to reduce expense (I have 3 vehicles to keep on the road), I ran the Nokian WR G3 (All Weather) for 2 winters and one summer (11/2016-6/2018) in Northern Ohio on a Nissan Versa. I was not impressed. It was marginally better than good all season tires and only lasted about 18,000 miles. Maybe on a heavier vehicle they would perform better but I doubt they'll last longer. Went back to Blizzak for winter and Hankook Optimo H724 (affordable All Season) for summer. Last year, I left the Hakooks on until December and in the first couple of snow falls they felt almost as predictable as the Nokian (AllWeather). I'm sure with time All Weather technology will get better, but for the time being I'll continue to run all seasons in the summer and winter tires for winter.
Please note, Nokian makes some great winter tires. It was the "All Weather" tires that I think missed the mark.
Yup, I tried out Vredestein Quatrac 5 all weather tires and the Nokian WR G3 and neither were perceptibly better than good all seasons. I'm convinced it's just marketing hype.
I think the stopping performance is improved mainly. The Nokian's were tested in Consumer reports as Having better performance than cheaper winter tires.
@RobBilton personally, I believe in my personal experience, especially after paying premium dollars out of my own pocket, over any review. The winter performance gains were negligible at best in all metrics, including acceleration, braking, and lateral grip. Add to that a very quick wearing tread and it's easy to see that although initially more expensive, having a winter set and summer/all season set off tires is the better solution. With that being said for someone that rarely drives, maybe putting 5k miles per year on their car, it might make a little more sense. Please note that I've been using winter tires since 1994 when I was first introduced to them in Alaska. At that time I was running studded Good Year Ultra Grips and the (at the time) manager of the local Firestone was running a prototype of the Blizzak WS50 which we rallied/tested thru isolated backroads to compare the 2 (the Blizzak was vastly superior). I've tried many different winter tires since then, including some more affordable options and can say with confidence that the best combo for colder climates is a decent all season tire with good wet performance for summer and a dedicated winter tire for winter. The tread compound needed for good winter traction melts in hot summer asphalt, and the harder compounds good for even wear patterns are way too stiff as the temps drop below 45°F. The addition of silica to the compound has helped with increasing traction in wet and cold, but realistically it's not enough to bridge the gap. Based on my personal experience, the cost/ benefit ratio is not there when a good, well siped, all season provides nearly identical performance with much longer life. Or for just a little bit more money (depending on tire size) you can have a dedicated winter tire and an affordable all season tire for summer. Currently, the Nokian All-Weather WR-G3 were not the Jack-of-all-trades I was expecting. Will the WR-G4 be that much better? I doubt it, but time will tell.
I had the same experience with my WRG3’s. Good on fresh snow, but packed snow and ice were mediocre and far from a good winter tire!
You guys didn’t mention what tire size you have on your winter set up. My stealth performance (a third model?) came with the same 255/45 19s on Gemini wheels as the “regular” LR. The rated range is the same as the regular LR, so Jason’s math and Tesla’s would appear to be about the same. I went full winter tire with Nokian Hakkepeliitta R3s. I have not run them long enough to notice a difference in range, but I do think I’ve lost a bit. I also run my tires at a slightly reduced pressure, which improves the ride (and grip, I suspect) at the expense of a little range. I’m really curious to see how these “all weather” tires work. One thing to note, modern winter tires are actually made with a hydrophilic rubber that actually sticks to the snow, creating a band of snow around the tire which actually sticks better to the snow on the ground. Hydrophobic rubber pushes water and snow away, which works better in the rain, but not in the snow (that what M+S tires use). As I understand it, running narrower winter tires with the modern hydrophobic compound does not actually improve winter performance as a result. I’d be curious what your tire guys are saying to you about that as I always see that comment, but thinks it’s no longer applicable.
This is a little late, but I agree- What is the tire setup for the CrossClimate2? I'm assuming 235/50R19 for the Martian 19" wheels, 8.5" wide, but it would be good to confirm.
what size are those rims ? n tires im curious since I just purchased my model y performance
I like the smaller wheels for sure, not a fan of 21's at all. However, how do you get those lug nut caps off?
At VW where I work, it follows with a tool in the car .
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The CrossClimate are probably the best 'allweather' tires at this time from a traction/durability standpoint. You'll hear them a little bit, but they're still quieter than most snow tires.
That's not what I've read in the all weather tire tests I've found. Michelin just launched the cross climate II to compete.
Great information. One issue, what size rim and tire did you use? It’s great it has all those benefits but can take advantage of it and purchase without knowing the sizes.
Also looking for the follow up video with some differences in the range given the weight savings with those wheels.
What about speedometer accuracy with the all weather tires ?
I just want to know if the OEM tires are on season 4 do I need to buy wheels and tires for winter
What is RIMs width size for that 19"?
Wait lol I was waiting for you to actually do you test and then you ended your video lol.
Maybe I missed it, but is there any follow-up to this?? I feel like I see so many videos where someone tells us what they’re “going” to do, but I never catch the actual content.
Be nice to see how the Michelin work I was told they are great, but out of my budget.
How do you change the speedometer difference resulting from smaller tire on Tesla? Matter of software parameter change in setting? Also why didnt you choose a taller profile tire to make up the difference in smaller overall diameter due to switching to 19" rim from 21" Tesla factory rim on this experiment?
I’m curious what tire size they used - the new tires seem smaller.
@@Wasabi9111 to me looks about inch smaller in diameter. Hopefully TFL will chime in.
they are comparing the front tire on the car with the rear tire on the 21. Model Y are staggered fitment.
@@kellyheath8547 not in diameter... They're staggered in width
@@edsgarage001 I'm not a scientist, but a 275/35r21 is larger in diameter than a 255/35r21
Unless I misunderstood Jason’s video, the key in increasing the milage is increasing the tire profile which I didn’t catch you explicitly say. The overall diameter and width are not as important as the profile.
@@Urgento22 Fair
Did you specify the full tire spec? I had the cross climate on my pathfinder which I sold for the Model Y. I’m getting toyo Celsius for the Y as that was the only all weather I could get for the Gemini rim.
Did the celsius fit on your tesla gemini wheels? Am in the sane boat. I called a shop and they told me the celsius don't come with an XL option.
So with the 18 tires, the ground clearance of the M3P is even lower? How low is it then?
... and then they said they'd do "another 0-60" test ... I can already tell you that this won't make a whole lot of difference: 2" inches off the circumference, a little less width, a little less weight but the difference will be negligible. What would be a better test is a/the "range test" and or "mpg loop test". ... there you have more time for the the numbers to diverge.
Will be interesting to see how they do, only downside is you lost a little ground clearance for deep snow with a shorter height tire
@@shitloveaduck OH Thanks for the clarification, didn't realize they were they were that close.
Not only are the Cross Cimate tires going to be much better in winter but I prefer the design of the new wheels as well so it's a win-win.
It was well known (at least to some) that low mileage pizza cutter tires (narrow, tall) performed better in normal driving speeds in snow and ice because bite into snow and ice is more important in these conditions than grip to pavement provided by wide performance tires. This was in the 60’s to early 90’s when winter and all season tires started showing up. Mostly 4 wheelers and truckers proved it to themselves.
How’s the tire noise? I have the prior gen (crossclimate suv) on 2 of my cars and they’re noisy. Otherwise, they’re great tires.
What tire size did you use for the MY? I couldn’t find the right size to match the 28” diameter on the 19” rim.
@@Urgento22 how quiet are the Vredestein Quatrac? They’re cheaper than the crossclimate and have the correct 19” sizing.
What is tyre size used, cant see it.. Might be useful in description
I watched Jasons video. He did only confirm old information about smaller wheels with math. People have been talking about smaller wheels and better range in EVs for atleast 6-7 years now. I would never drive anything else then winter tires in winter.(and summer tires in summer) I live in middle of Sweden with different weather to Colorado. This will be interesting to follow.
Jason only changed the rim diameter and not the tire diameter. A smaller diameter tire on an electric vehicle at highway speed will require more rpm to go the same speed if I'm correct.
What brand wheel was put on the car? Link to supplier? What size tire? The Michelin Crossclimate2 is VERY highly rated in snow. Excellent tire.
Shouldn't you have studded Tires on ? For winter?
Lug nut caps? How does ur mechanic take em off? And do they not fall off when driving?
My niece wanted to buy a set of winter tires for her new car, and I convinced her that buying a set of Nokian 'All-Weather' tires was the best option for her since she does not drive all that much, she lives in the city, and has nowhere to store a second set of tires/rims for the seasonal change-over. I myself and getting tired of having to switch tires from all-season to winter, and back each fall and spring, so when my tires wear out I'm also going to get a set of Nokian All-Weather tires to replace my Michelin Defender tires.
Any idea if the 255/45r20 Cross Climate 2 will fit on the 20" induction wheels? Would the speedometer need to be recalibrated? Trying to get these tires without having to shell out an additional $2k+ for new wheels.
Also, what are the specs of the rims and tires? Maybe I missed it?
did you every find out. thinking about doing the same. was just looking at the steering knuckle / upper control arm knuckle and theres only about 5/8" room from the top of the tire, the cc2 tires at 255/45/20 are a inch taller from the rim...... thats pretty damn close
Unhappy with the current automotive trend of large wheel with low profile tires. I actually traded my 2020 Accord touring 19 inch wheels for the EX-L 17 inch wheels. As far as all weather tires, I also loved the idea of them until I put a set of Nokian WRG3s on my daughters civic in Utah and they disintegrated over the course of about 20k miles.
What kinda rims r these and where can i buy them?
Where is the 0-60 test? Was it faster?
I use these tires for 2 years now and they are good. You can drive in/on snow and summer without major degradation. And they are quiet enough. They are not as good as proper winter tires but good enough. The only downside is that they are quite expensive.
Thing I learned about tires ,if possible put summer tires in summer instead of all season and winter tires in winter.
All season get out of balance after 8-10k miles. That’s experience with continental dsw and conti contact on Mercedes c and e class.
And one thing I put 235/50/17 on 8x8 et 45 on w204 c 300 sport brakes love it. Instead of 225/45/17 ,245/40/17.
which tire set fits the martian wheels? I was looking on Michelin and am having trouble identifying which ones to buy.
would it be the 255/40/19?
How are they putting different diameter sized wheels/ tires on this wont messing up the suspension or speedometer, etc.
That is my same question. As much of a computer operated car / self driving car I would think that would mess up a lot of things. TFL team can you verify the actual speed vs the speedometer reading so we can see how far it is off? Thanks
The Martian wheels logo looks a lot like the MSW wheels logo
The wheel design plays a big role in aerodynamics of these EV vehicles..
The tire's contact patch and compound play a big part in roll resistance.
Going with a smaller Tire in overall height will cause the motor to run at a little faster RPM to maintain the same speeds as before and that can actually cause EV vehicles to be more efficient going down the road unlike gas or diesel powered cars and trucks.
How long have you guys been sponsored by Carhartt?
Roman less wide is relative because I think that pretty much every tyre on earth is less wide than the tyres you had on that Tesla. 😂😂
My question is can't you find tires that are gonna fit 21'' Model Y P wheels ?
Michelin doesn't make crossclimate 2 tires for the model Y (neither long range nor performance). The closet size Michelin makes for the 20" crossclimate 2 is 255/45R20 However, the factory specs for model y with 20" wheels is 255/40R20. The aspect ratio is off by 5 which is a about 1/2" difference in tire height. This can throw off the speedometer by a few miles. This doesn't mean you can't get them but many tire shops configuration sites, tirerack for example, wont list crossclimate 2 as an option since it doesn't match the factory aspect ratio requirement.
How do you remove those nut covers they look hard to remove once they go on
I think there's a little tool that lets you remove them
@@prerunnerwannabe its called a small flat head screw driver
@@philtripe Only if you want to destroy the finish on both the covers and the wheels.
The removal tool looks like a U-shaped pair of tweezers with really wide jaws.
I run all climates on mines
Hi guys, how is your Defender?
Lol. Probably already in a junkyard.
@@Jaml321 It's so sad. I like this car.
Still broken.
Did you re-calibrate the vehicle so that the speedometer is accurate?
In this video he is comparing the OEM rear wheel/tire to the new front wheel/tire they have mounted. They are different sizes by design.
@@kellyheath8547 yes but if they do range testing to compare the tire sizes then the miles driven might not be accurate because the vehicle has not been calibrated to the new tire size
@@rmelvin1662 I am not yet convinced that the tire sizes are different. But if they are then
range testing will need to factor that in.
Some good questions! The answers will be informative. That being said, I'm a huge proponent of dedicated good quality winter tires. The difference they make is night and day in terms of stopping in ice or snow. When the unexpected happens, there is simply no replacement for all the stopping power you can muster.
Yes! ... finally a review that's not ... well ... "unusable". My father and I have always run Michelin tires, and we've had very good experience with them. I am of course very curious about this new type, the All-Weather tire, and, I'm hoping that in the future you might get around to reviewing Michelin's "Green" tires that claim better rolling resistance, better gas mileage and a few other things. I wish you success in advance on these reviews & tests, and, thank you! ;-)
My crossover has Continental ContiProContacts and they are garbage. Terrible in the rain and the winter and way too loud otherwise.
I'm going to order some Cooper Enduromax winter meats for it to fit the stock tires (205/70R16) then buy some 18" wheels for it that are slightly wider and put Falken Wildpeaks on for the summer since I want to take it offroading alongside the truck.
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Good morning ☀️ Roman...nice new tires!!!☺
Too bad they did not mention the tire size, load and speed rating.
From the video, I read the Michelin tire size to be 255/50R19 103V tires. Michelin does not make a CrossClimate 2 in 255/45R19 size but does make 255/50R19 103V and 255/40R19 100V (note lower load ratings).
I dont get the smaller tire claim. Except for the MYP rear tires, the width is the same 255 mm. I calculate the 255/50R19 tire diameter is larger at 29" vs 28" for standard 19 and 21" rim front tires.
For reference - My MYLR with 19" gemini wheels came with 255/45R19 104W tires.
MYP with 21" wheels comes with 255/32R21 Front and 275/35R21 Rear tires.
The Tesla Model Y 19" Gemini Wheel and Pirelli Winter Tire Package (not compatible with MY performance) uses 255/45R19 104V Pirelli WINTER SOTTOZERO 3 Tires.
1st comment
Keep doing a good job guys
The model 3 actually comes in 3 distinct models
Please get the correct size tyres for your car.
245/50/19? 255/45/19? Or…?
Thanks 👍🏼
I'm curious if the overall diameter is not the same? And it didn't seem to be isn't the speed going to be registered incorrectly? It's going to show you going faster than you actually are it'll also change the effective gear ratio . The car should be significantly quicker accelerating if it has enough grip but have a lower top speed. I wonder why you didn't pick a tire that was tall enough to equal the total diameter of the original tires?
Or maybe you did and I missed something.
I really do not understand why Tesla insists on putting these enormous unbelievably heavy wheels and tire combinations on what is supposed to be an efficient vehicle. There's nothing wrong with 18s and a taller Tire. It'll ride better it'll be quieter and you won't spend three grand on new rims when you hit a pothole.
Where's the 2020 Defender got too?????? Can't STILL be at the dealership?? LEMON LAW TIME
Seriously TFL, what is going on with the defender?
Still at the dealership. We’re working on replacing it.
TFLnow Lol with what?!?!?!
As a long term Landy owner,
I'd recommend a Toyota lol
Always buy Land Rovers used, that way, the first owner usually takes it to the dealer and gets the build finished under warranty for you, so it's finaly finished, the niggles hopefully fixed,its fully run in, nicely stamped book, and a wee bit cheaper!
The overall diameter should be the same. Someone screwed up the calculations.
wonder if the newest tesla batteries will last 20 years, because my Corolla has with no sign of slowing down.
The 3PMSF, as the industry calls this pictogram guarantees these winter tires’ traction is at least 10-per-cent superior compared to all-season tires when put through the ASTM F1805 test. that's right: 10 per cent better traction.The symbol says nothing about superior performance in low temperatures. This test is conducted on medium-packed-snow surfaces, and only while accelerating in a straight line. Nothing, again, is said or tested or established or measured about accelerating on ice - more common in cities - or on 8 inches of fluffy snow. Many winter tires in the market today achieve levels approaching 130 per cent [better than all-season]. I have an all-weather set on my F-150 for summer only. I switch to REAL winter tire because we have real winter here in Canada.
This is the only channel that says "all weather" tires.
There's no way a 21 inch wheel and tire on that way 70 pounds. Over estimation when offroad tires and wheels weigh that and higher
You guys are the only Tesla owners I've seen that I would have over for a BBQ. Why is it that Tesla attracts so many wankers I wouldn't want in my house?
Two of the most odd size wheel and tire combos. Also the most expensive....
If you spend 60+ on a car they are going to charge you for wear items accordingly.
@@kellyheath8547 I understand that but what I'm saying is that a 19-in and a 21-in are the two most oddball size wheels you can have. There's no reason why they could have did a 20 and used 20-in size wheels to offset some of that cost. plus you have a lot easier time finding a 20-in wheel or hell even a 18 if it would fit
@@MullinPerformance this may have come down to available sizes of this tire. I think Jason Fesnke went to an 18, my vote would be an 18. They aren't very clear on which Michelin they are using.
@@kellyheath8547 I agree a 18 would have been a better choice. More side wall would be a benefit in winter conditions. I see a bit of a over all size difference in tires and I wonder if the Tesla will care. It seems like you fart wrong in these cars and it sets a sensor off.
@@MullinPerformance that size difference is because the 275 he has in his hands is a rear tire. He is comparing the factory rear to the aftermarket front.
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There's eight minutes I'll never get back. TFL content is so diluted now, it's like drinking lite beer.
Whatever🛀
235/50R19
is what they used here. as per: th-cam.com/video/ZApg1ZCBrcg/w-d-xo.html
-No thanks to these yahoos
wider not fatter.
Well... Jason hasn't really discovered America... the less weight you have to rotate - the better the fuel economy... it isn't rocket science and doesn't require complex calculations... IMHO.
Someone please stop Roman from speaking in videos. JFC
Would have been great to know what wheel and tire size the new wheels were. I swear it's amateur hour... let the kid talk instead in all future videos.
235/50R19
is what they used here. as per: th-cam.com/video/ZApg1ZCBrcg/w-d-xo.html
-No thanks to these yahoos
The tread pattern on those now tires is very ugly. I would not buy them just for that reason.
you guys just watched engineering explained's latest on this... good for you. Tesla dumb and cocky AF for putting those giant rims and tiny sidewalls stock.
21’s also ride like shit. So do 18’s for that matter
First quoting an actual eng-in-ear then supporting those Colorado snowflakes! Next thing ya' know you'll have a white board and spend half the vid-jayo writin' math and stuff. "Keep up the good work" and "keep your T-car on the ice!"
How come I never see anyone doing slalom testing in a Tesla? Always just dumbass straight line drag racing.
Show me this thing in a brake and avoid test in the snow with these tyres.
Come on guys ?🤔 a lot of forplay in this video and not a lot of action
Foreplay's important. You should listen to your wife.
@@nicholassmith7048 agreed but at some point you have to F🤔K which is what I was saying about this video ....
Stocks are way better
Lol Capitalism tryna rebrand shit.
Not all All seasons are created equal