I’m ex JW been orthodox for almost 3 years now..Orthodoxy has objective historical evidence that supports its historical claims..Keep looking into it I’m sure the evidence will speak for itself
Glory to God! I will pray for you tonight. I hope that you decide to visit an Orthodox Church at some point. As a recent convert I found that the people at the Orthodox Churches are very welcoming and I’m sure they’ll be glad to see you there.
I’ve left Pentecostalism for Eastern Orthodoxy, waiting to become a catechumen at an Antiochian parish in my area. I’ve heard way too much dispensationalism and Christian Zionism in the Pentecostal church, totally over it.
You post this right when Israel is under attack. The Bible speaks about Israel versus the nations like Persia and Russia and around them. You aren't a Christian at all. You're a antisemite false sheep.
Funny about a year ago things changed for me. The Lord told me to stop! and go back and study the early Church, The ancient teachings and I am ever so thankful I did. I prayed that the Lord would reveal the Truth in His Holy Word and led me back to Orthodoxy. I have learned so much and everything is much more clear. Thank You
JW: "Jesus isn't God. A man can't be God." Me: "So nothing on Earth can be God?" JW: "Nothing on Earth can be God." Me: "What about a burning bush? Can a burning bush be God?" JW: "...you have a nice day sir."
Zionism is supported by the deviations of every tradition: Christian Zionists/Fundamentalists, Jewish Zionists, Wahhabi/Salafi Muslims, together with atheists. They share a common spirit just as the sincere versions of those traditions also share a common spirit and cause, the efforts of literalists and exclusivists to sow conflict and division between them notwithstanding.
Yes, and Hagee takes it so far as to suggest that Jews do not need Christ for salvation and still have a separate covenant, which amounts to a denial of Christ. I don't really even see how Hagee can be called a Christian since his theology is so far off the mark. He's definitely making lots of money off of his teachings, though.
@@ianmackenzie686 Yes, and he's not doing his followers any favors and he's leading Jews away from Christ, worst of all. While some people take exception to the mention of a Zionist connection to dispensationalism, it is literally true in the sense that at least some of the funding of the Scofield Reference Bible came from Samuel Untermyer, a self-proclaimed Zionist attorney. So far as I know, that is not really disputed and is a widely acknowledged fact. It was the Scofield Reference Bible that really popularized the dispensationalist heresy.
@@lindamorgan2678Can't really disagree with that. He also cheated on his first wife and ditched her for another woman, all while the poor lady was suffering from cancer. The Church is the Israel of God as Paul makes very clear in his letters. Hagee and his ilk are deceivers cashing in on the ignorance of their followers.
"FIRST gather the bundles and cast them into the fire, then gather the wheat into my barn." Since tares necessarily must look like wheat, then the bundles can be likened to denominations that look like Christ's, but are not.
This is pre-millenialism, not post-mil. Pre-mil: literal thousand years (chiliasm), post-mil: not literal 1000 years but the Church will eventually conquer the world and Christ will come down to His kingdom made ready for His arrival, amil: also not literal 1000 years but things will become bad rather than good and Christ will come set it all straight. Someone correct me if I’m wrong.
Pre-Millennialism - Christ Second Coming happens first, then He establishes literal 1000 years on Earth. Post-Millenialism - Christ returns AFTER the 1000 years of the Church peace and prosperity, where 1000 may be a symbolic amount. Christ consumes the Church at its height basically. Pre- and post- here is not for when 1000 years happens but for when Christ returns in regards to the millenium. The Father talks about Post-Millennialism and how it doesn’t take into account that the devil will be released after 1000 years and the Great Tribulation will occur. Here is where probably the confusion arises with Post-Millennialism. The Church does believe in 1000 years as a period of prosperity of the Church and that it has already occurred after Christ’s first coming. Now we are living in a post-Christian civilization, and we’re nearing the end. The mistake of the protestants to read the Revelation chronologically, so they believe that 1000 years occurs either after Christ Second Coming (pre-mill) OR RIGHT BEFORE the Second Coming (post-mill). This latter view completely disregards the devil being released, the Great Tribulation and the Antichrist rule.
The main differences between Orthodox Christianity and Roman Catholicism. the main things which keep our religions separate are: Papal Supremacy, Papal Infallibility, The Filioque, Absolute Divine Simplicity, Created Grace Doctrine, natural theology, scholasticism, Original sin, sacred heart doctrine, Immaculate conception, Purgatory, Merits/Indulgences, evolution of Dogma,imaginative prayer, "beatific vision" etc Then the Forced Celibacy of Priests, The use of Unleavened Bread in the Eucharist, The Adoption and change of the Christian calendar, The use of Renaissance statues, Pews, Child Communion, improper non immersion baptism, Cardinals, and differences in liturgical practices (Alter tables, Iconostasis, priest positioning etc) all of those things, we say the Western Church adopted and innovated and became heretical when they adopted these things. And we say that in the early church NONE of these things existed, there is no evidence of these things. No examples of Papal Infallibility, No examples of merits/indulgences, and no examples of unleavened wafer bread, and such. In fact in the west, In Rome. It looked a lot similar to how we Orthodox exist today. Our priests can get married, we use Icons and not statues, we use the old calendar etc Orthodoxy Vs Roman Catholicism: Energy Essence Distinction vs Absolute Divine Simplicity Ancestral Sin vs Original Sin Non Filioque Trinity vs Filioque Trinity Patriarchy vs Papacy Revealed Theology vs Natural Theology Hesychasm Vs Scholasticism Theosis vs Sanctification Married Priest vs Celibate Priests Infant Communion Vs Non Infant Communion Iconography vs Statues Full Immersion Baptism vs Sprinkle Baptism One Baptism vs Confirmation Baptism Leavened Communion Bread vs Unleavened Communion bread Julian Calendar vs Pope Gregory's Calendar We are not the same Religion, we do not have the same faith, and anyone who looks into either religions genuinely will see how different we are.
I think Fr. Heers may be unintentionally confusing Postmillennialism with Premillennialism. They are vastly different in that the things described in the video, whether it be Dispensationalism, Zionism, Premillennialism etc. they all have their roots in Chiliasm. Whereas Postmillennialism is more in line with Amillennialism
Thank you father! This is so useful! Many of our priests don’t teach us anything and I, along with some of our parishoners have started believing these protestant things, out of ignorance. Or at least we thought they were a possibility. The more orthodox priests teaching the truth faith on TH-cam and other social media that reaches us all the better.
Many priests may not teach or preach as they should, but we are also responsible for knowing the faith. We need to pray for our priests and do all that we can to know our faith and share it with those around us.
What St. Andrew is describing is post-millennialism. What you're critiquing is premillennialism. Postmillenial is that we are currently in the "millenium" and Satan is currently bound in the abyss, and Christ returns at the end of this era and then the eternal age begins. Premillennial is thinking that Satan is not currently chained in the abyss, that Christ returns for a great battle on the Day of the LORD, the saints resurrect, Jesus is King of the Earth for a long time period while there are still some rebellious people (Zech 14) while most nations will bring Him gifts (Isa 60, Isa 66:18-24) and then there will be an unchaining of Satan and final rebellion which will be crushed and then the eternal age begins. There are many texts in the Bible which indicate 2 separate resurrections (1 Cor 15, Rev 20) which and that the New Heavens and New Earth will not begin as soon as Jesus returns (Joel 3:19), this is hy many people are Premillennial. Other verses seem like there will be one resurrection (Daniel 12:2) and only one final battle (Zeph 1:18) which would fit with the Postmillennial and Amilliennial views. All views have solid arguments for and against. Either way this video is critiquing the wrong thing, using the opposite word of what the father means.
Premilleannism is the belief that 1000 years happens after the Second Coming and will be the reign of Christ on earth. The Second Coming happens after the Great Tribulation and Antichrist. He explains why 1000 years is not possible after Antichrist and before the return of Jesus, which is the belief of Post-millenialism. Both ideas are not possible and heretical.
I give Fr Peter a 10/10 which might be inappropriate but when he speaks it is very refreshing. Maybe it is cause he is a humble person or something? Or maybe cause a lot of Clergy and Monastics have been stressing me out lately, but maybe I am the problem…. Lots of love Fr Peter, asking for your blessing, Deacon’s-wife Marija from Australia.
Did you mean PRE-MILLENIALISM? It seems you confused it with postmillennialism. Premillennialism is the one which has Dispensantionalism as one if its version. Please, correct your video title, it is misleading and confusing for those who are not familiar with eschatological positions.
Actually, in protestantism, those that teach a millenium after Christ's coming are called pre-millenialists; post-millenialists and amillennialists teach we are in the millenium now.
Acts 3:21 says, "Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began." (KJV)
Having been raised JW, I can 100% confirm there is little to zero actual absorption of the Bible's teaching. You are taught how to read and interpret it, in the way that the governing body says you should. JW portrays itself as deep faith and wisdom but it's actually quite surface level. So glad I never got baptized, I am free to pursue the actual truth... Not the "truth" they claim to teach.
When Artifical Intelligence first appeared with image generation, one of the very first things circulating social media was imitations of Christ's image. Just something strange I observed
This title is incorrect. What is being described is not post-millenialism but rather premillennialism. Dispensationalism (a type of premillennialism) has nothing in common with post-millenialism. The Church initially had all three views present in it - pre, post, and amillenialism. Then the Church condemned chiliasm (premillennialism) as a heresy and since then only amillenialism and post-millenialism are views that can be held.
@@OliveMule The Eastern orthodox have their own lexicon, and probably dont know or understand the debates ithin Protestantism, which mostly uses english terminology. The EO Father's spend more time reading their saints than reading the Bible, so idk if they're aware of the scriptural arguments for or against premillennialism.
@@tuckerchisholm1005 Lmao. They know the Bible, far better than any protestant really actually. You know, they are the ones that put it together, right? It's just that the Bible falls within the "tradition" just as the saints writings are, and you use them also a guidance for reading and interpreting scripture. it's kinda why protestantism is such a mess.
It is pretty clear when you read Revelations that Jesus will rule for a thousand years and then the devil will be released and swiftly defeated and THAT'S IT end of the story. I am a protestant, but I agree with you.
Yes, it is clear if you think the 1,000 year reign of Christ refers to a literal reign of Christ on earth rather than it being a symbolic number referring to the period where Christ reigns through the Church from Pentecost until the Second Coming. Some people in the early Church believed in the literal 1,000 year reign of Christ on earth after the Second Coming and the Church universally rejected this as a heresy.
@@OrthodoxEthos But the emphasis isnt on if its metaphorical or literal 1000 years, the emphasis is on when it occurs, does Revelation not depict this " state " " millenium " as being AFTER the Second Coming? Im confused on how the Church puts it as before the Second Coming?
Postmil is not dispensationalist, Wilson's view is more consistent with the fathers and says the millennium is not literal, however he says that there will be a golden age of Christianity.
@@traceyedson9652 that is also Wilson's view, that the great falling away will occur after the great commission is accomplished and then the end will come.
Fr. what is the Orthodox response to the early Fathers like Justin Martyr and Irenaeus teaching a literal thousand years? How did they get this so wrong?
I'm confused. If the 1000 years is the time between the first and second coming of Christ as stated by St. Andrew, how can that be true since it's been over 2000 years since those two comings?
The position is that the thousand years are not literally one thousand years but rather symbolic. Same way that the Psalms say that God reigns over a thousand hills (I think that’s the verse), but that doesn’t mean that God ONLY rules over a thousand hills, but that the number is symbolic for something grand and enduring. God will be praised for a “thousand generations” but that doesn’t mean that God will only be worshipped by a thousand generations and that this will stop afterwards.
@@paulmelonas7263 The prophets tended to round up or down to the nearest sacred number, and the biggest is 1,000, so anything over that is going default to a “millennium”.
Jehovah´s witnesses and others fail to realise that we have already had over 7,000 years since creation. It is the year 7533 from Adam and the creation of the world.
@@genautelevishn5999these numbers aren’t meant to be taken (1) in the modernist-fundamentalist-literalist manner, like the 1,000 years; and (2) they aren’t meant to be all-inclusive. Biblical numbers are instructive not factual. Big difference. One is illuminating, the other is distracting.
According to the Septuagint, it is more than a 6,000 years since Adam and Eve. The Jewish and Protestant Bibles erase 750 years of history from Genesis 11, making it only 5, 785 years since Adam and Eve.
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I dont understand how ST Andrew can say that the " millenium " is between the First and Second Coming of Jesus when Revelation depicts it as following the Second Coming..??
unfortunate that these people reject church fathers, teacherd of the ersly church, councils and dogmas as simply put man-made things. they fail or wilfully reject the understandong thst the bible and the creeds, etc were put together by these very people, yet they say thst the biblr is the only source of truth and inspirstion for living godly lives. again when they approached regarding who put (being the early church and the councils represented bybthese church fathers) they cast it aside as being man-made and for thie reason they reject the truth. how obviously inssne or hypocritical can wuch things be.
Up to 13:00 Comment: I feel really sorry for Protestants sometimes. Why? I will attempt to answer with the following story: I ran into a school-friend at the ED recently, where we caught up after 6 years since finishing school since the ED/Medical System is arguably inefficient in Australia. She was basically on board with the idea of Icons by the end of our conversation( she is/was-at-the-time a ‘Pentecostal’, and at the beginning of the conversation she thought venerating Icons and/or having them was idolatry cause of the OT and *insert arguments against Icons* ).I wrote her number in my phone (since I did not have it), but now I cannot find it :( I wonder how she might ever make her way to an Orthodox Church :( It seems to my very-inexperienced eyes that the Orthodox Priests here are only interested in the people of their own race. One Priest said something-along-the-lines-of “…I am only here to Shepard the *****-ians…”. Any words of consolation / advice would be appreciated. Only from Fr Peter though / not-randoms. Why does the Orthodox Church (Priests in it) seem to not be applying “…Therefore go and make disciples of all nations…”. (Of course I might be missing something, but please enlighten me if you think I am.)
scripture is clear that there is a distinction between Hell/hades/where the lost will go after death, and the final state of the lost - the second death/Lake of fire. hell itself is cast into the lake at the final judgement so there is no mistaking the two.
also just very confused what this was about, as the title suggests post millenialism, but the content was about dispensationalism..and those 2 views are nearly on opposite sides of a protestant eschatology. they have almost nothing in common
God help Fr Peter and all Orthodox Priests. And Bishops. (Same thing? Except the latter can make(ordain) Priests? I find the Orthodox Hierarchical System really confusing….)
I can understand not wanted to usher in the end times, but siding with terrorists who have been enemies of the gospel for 1400 years doesnt like the right thing either.
@@KickenItOldSchool Arianism is one of the oldest heresies. Arius taught that Jesus was not of the same essence of the Father but only “like” Him, that Jesus is the first being God created and that He [Jesus] is higher than us but lower than God. Basically kinda similar to JW Christology (except they didn’t think He’s Michael like the JWs do)
Unpopular opinion: The Ortho-bro community is fractured deeply over the reception of converts / ecumenism topic, and will not be able to defend the faith when the time comes to announce an official "common baptism" among "brother churches". It is apparently appropriate to talk about theology and history but not this issue, its something which has to be covered up because it scandalizes, demonstrates division among a supposedly "Orthodox" group, might equate to a total disobedience of God via disobeying clergy, etc. This will be a fatal issue in given time for all who are apart of the one true Church, though for now it seems like a matter only for those in the seminaries and for the clergy to determine. When the one who restrains is taken away then shall come the son of lawlessness, the messiah of all those who love unrighteousness. The pharisees accused Christ of being of an impure spirit. They blasphemed the Holy Spirit, according to scripture, because they loved the works of unrighteosness, they did not know God. Energetically they sought out the passions not the grace of God, and so this determined their perception of the law. Many in the Church especially clergy today have this same condition, they are in terms of experience strangers to the reality of Christian life, they do not have spiritual heirarchy, and so what is instructed as necessary to them is just "customs" which may vary from place to place, time to time. Participation in the sacraments entails what? ORTHODOX repentance, not just the watered down modern idea of repenting which means to say some prayer at school or to be nicer to people or something vague like that. That inner life scares people, they do not have wisdom, fear of God, instead they fear discomfort, dispassion, they fall into the carnal traps / vices, that fear dictates what is true and good. People subconsciously want to get rid of Orthodox tradition because participation requires you to be actually trying hard to live according to the commandments, without that the ritual aspect does not confer the divine energy of God, instead it confers condemnation, it fosters spiritual complication and tragedy not healing. That is the pandemic of today... The wisdom of the world is foolishness, and Christ is a foolishness unto the Greeks and stumbling block to the jews (including todays jews, the pharisaic orthodox christians). Yes its just some water, but get in it, God is in the water, His death and resurrection is in that water for us to partake in for the remission of our sins and proper initiation into the holy spiritual life. Its a trick of the devil to use any reason (excuse) at all to subtract this sacrament from the tradition, it is a mass apostasy for millions to enter into the Church without the right presuppositions being met. Never mind how good is your philosophy or theology, did you get the orthopraxis right??? If not, then that theology and stuff is demonic according to st. Silouan the athonite. Sorry to rant but how can people not see all over the world how critical this is? Its potentially the end of world history, Christ warned it will be the problems in the Church not in the world which shall shut closed the gates of mercy forever, its always the apocalyptic era since 33 AD but the arc of this age will be breif and surprising, it will be caused by issues many are unaware of due to their degrees of separation from Orthodoxy and Orthopraxis.
the earth was created as an ''adult'' thats why its ''much older'' and because the earth existed but it was not visible and unconstructed (aka under the waters) way before the man was created
@@CoryW-h3q false dichotomy, and you should be very careful with taking God's name - fundamentalist interpretation of scripture isn't equivalent to "God is true".
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I grew up Jehovah's Witness, I'm very grateful that you addressed their beliefs! I'm very interested in Orthodoxy and glad to be learning more
I’m ex JW been orthodox for almost 3 years now..Orthodoxy has objective historical evidence that supports its historical claims..Keep looking into it I’m sure the evidence will speak for itself
Glory to God! I will pray for you tonight. I hope that you decide to visit an Orthodox Church at some point. As a recent convert I found that the people at the Orthodox Churches are very welcoming and I’m sure they’ll be glad to see you there.
Same, ex JW from Brasil!
The true church of christ welcomes you.
@@anathamon thank you 🙏💕☦️
I’ve left Pentecostalism for Eastern Orthodoxy, waiting to become a catechumen at an Antiochian parish in my area. I’ve heard way too much dispensationalism and Christian Zionism in the Pentecostal church, totally over it.
Same. Grew up Pentacostal and converted to Holy Orthodoxy
Welcome home brothers !
You post this right when Israel is under attack. The Bible speaks about Israel versus the nations like Persia and Russia and around them. You aren't a Christian at all. You're a antisemite false sheep.
Amen brother I’m on the same journey, may God bless you.
Glory to God brother!
Thank Jesus Christ for the wisdom and understanding we have all received to this point
Funny about a year ago things changed for me. The Lord told me to stop! and go back and study the early Church, The ancient teachings and I am ever so thankful I did. I prayed that the Lord would reveal the Truth in His Holy Word and led me back to Orthodoxy. I have learned so much and everything is much more clear. Thank You
you did not study early Churn (primative) do you? if so, you would not turn to orthodoxy
Thank you and God bless you Fr Peter.
JW: "Jesus isn't God. A man can't be God."
Me: "So nothing on Earth can be God?"
JW: "Nothing on Earth can be God."
Me: "What about a burning bush? Can a burning bush be God?"
JW: "...you have a nice day sir."
Lol, you can have this same conversation with a Muslim and it will go the same way.
@@wyrxr Facts.
They also believe that God is a spiritual figure that resides in a space, a throne, meaning that god's throne exists co-eternally with him, lol
Big brain chair @@Madokaexe
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Zionism is supported by the deviations of every tradition: Christian Zionists/Fundamentalists, Jewish Zionists, Wahhabi/Salafi Muslims, together with atheists. They share a common spirit just as the sincere versions of those traditions also share a common spirit and cause, the efforts of literalists and exclusivists to sow conflict and division between them notwithstanding.
This spirit is liberalism
Post Vatican 2 Catholics as well.
@@eldermillennial8330 The WJC insisted much to the chagrin of the Muslim leaders who apposed the change
Just normal Satan things, really.
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Don't forget Hagee in that list of dispensationalists.
Yes, and Hagee takes it so far as to suggest that Jews do not need Christ for salvation and still have a separate covenant, which amounts to a denial of Christ. I don't really even see how Hagee can be called a Christian since his theology is so far off the mark. He's definitely making lots of money off of his teachings, though.
@@emil3709
Yes, very cult like. And he's quite wealthy.
@@ianmackenzie686 Yes, and he's not doing his followers any favors and he's leading Jews away from Christ, worst of all. While some people take exception to the mention of a Zionist connection to dispensationalism, it is literally true in the sense that at least some of the funding of the Scofield Reference Bible came from Samuel Untermyer, a self-proclaimed Zionist attorney. So far as I know, that is not really disputed and is a widely acknowledged fact. It was the Scofield Reference Bible that really popularized the dispensationalist heresy.
@@emil3709 He is not a Christian he is of the devil's spawn
@@lindamorgan2678Can't really disagree with that. He also cheated on his first wife and ditched her for another woman, all while the poor lady was suffering from cancer. The Church is the Israel of God as Paul makes very clear in his letters. Hagee and his ilk are deceivers cashing in on the ignorance of their followers.
Please do more on this if you can. Everybody I know (in America) who is any kind of a Christian is obsessed with this.
"FIRST gather the bundles and cast them into the fire, then gather the wheat into my barn."
Since tares necessarily must look like wheat, then the bundles can be likened to denominations that look like Christ's, but are not.
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I’d love to see a talk on this with you and Fr John Whiteford. He’s very knowledgeable about Protestant history!
This is pre-millenialism, not post-mil. Pre-mil: literal thousand years (chiliasm), post-mil: not literal 1000 years but the Church will eventually conquer the world and Christ will come down to His kingdom made ready for His arrival, amil: also not literal 1000 years but things will become bad rather than good and Christ will come set it all straight.
Someone correct me if I’m wrong.
Postmil Here you are right
@@Yela927 I think you dont understand.
The comment author is 100% correct
You are correct.
Right. Historical church is Amillenialist or Premillenialist
Pre-Millennialism - Christ Second Coming happens first, then He establishes literal 1000 years on Earth.
Post-Millenialism - Christ returns AFTER the 1000 years of the Church peace and prosperity, where 1000 may be a symbolic amount. Christ consumes the Church at its height basically.
Pre- and post- here is not for when 1000 years happens but for when Christ returns in regards to the millenium.
The Father talks about Post-Millennialism and how it doesn’t take into account that the devil will be released after 1000 years and the Great Tribulation will occur. Here is where probably the confusion arises with Post-Millennialism. The Church does believe in 1000 years as a period of prosperity of the Church and that it has already occurred after Christ’s first coming. Now we are living in a post-Christian civilization, and we’re nearing the end. The mistake of the protestants to read the Revelation chronologically, so they believe that 1000 years occurs either after Christ Second Coming (pre-mill) OR RIGHT BEFORE the Second Coming (post-mill). This latter view completely disregards the devil being released, the Great Tribulation and the Antichrist rule.
The main differences between Orthodox Christianity and Roman Catholicism. the main things which keep our religions separate are:
Papal Supremacy, Papal Infallibility, The Filioque, Absolute Divine Simplicity, Created Grace Doctrine, natural theology, scholasticism, Original sin, sacred heart doctrine, Immaculate conception, Purgatory, Merits/Indulgences, evolution of Dogma,imaginative prayer, "beatific vision" etc
Then the Forced Celibacy of Priests, The use of Unleavened Bread in the Eucharist, The Adoption and change of the Christian calendar, The use of Renaissance statues, Pews, Child Communion, improper non immersion baptism, Cardinals, and differences in liturgical practices (Alter tables, Iconostasis, priest positioning etc)
all of those things, we say the Western Church adopted and innovated and became heretical when they adopted these things.
And we say that in the early church NONE of these things existed, there is no evidence of these things.
No examples of Papal Infallibility, No examples of merits/indulgences, and no examples of unleavened wafer bread, and such.
In fact in the west, In Rome. It looked a lot similar to how we Orthodox exist today. Our priests can get married, we use Icons and not statues, we use the old calendar etc
Orthodoxy Vs Roman Catholicism:
Energy Essence Distinction vs Absolute Divine Simplicity
Ancestral Sin vs Original Sin
Non Filioque Trinity vs Filioque Trinity
Patriarchy vs Papacy
Revealed Theology vs Natural Theology
Hesychasm Vs Scholasticism
Theosis vs Sanctification
Married Priest vs Celibate Priests
Infant Communion Vs Non Infant Communion
Iconography vs Statues
Full Immersion Baptism vs Sprinkle Baptism
One Baptism vs Confirmation Baptism
Leavened Communion Bread vs Unleavened Communion bread
Julian Calendar vs Pope Gregory's Calendar
We are not the same Religion, we do not have the same faith, and anyone who looks into either religions genuinely will see how different we are.
Im a Lutheran, we believe in the amillennial view of the end times.
Thank you Fr. Peter for this video
Thank you for the consistent and thoughtful content. Great work.
I think Fr. Heers may be unintentionally confusing Postmillennialism with Premillennialism.
They are vastly different in that the things described in the video, whether it be Dispensationalism, Zionism, Premillennialism etc. they all have their roots in Chiliasm.
Whereas Postmillennialism is more in line with Amillennialism
Thank you father! This is so useful! Many of our priests don’t teach us anything and I, along with some of our parishoners have started believing these protestant things, out of ignorance. Or at least we thought they were a possibility. The more orthodox priests teaching the truth faith on TH-cam and other social media that reaches us all the better.
Many priests may not teach or preach as they should, but we are also responsible for knowing the faith. We need to pray for our priests and do all that we can to know our faith and share it with those around us.
@@OrthodoxEthos Thank you for the helpful reply!
What St. Andrew is describing is post-millennialism. What you're critiquing is premillennialism. Postmillenial is that we are currently in the "millenium" and Satan is currently bound in the abyss, and Christ returns at the end of this era and then the eternal age begins. Premillennial is thinking that Satan is not currently chained in the abyss, that Christ returns for a great battle on the Day of the LORD, the saints resurrect, Jesus is King of the Earth for a long time period while there are still some rebellious people (Zech 14) while most nations will bring Him gifts (Isa 60, Isa 66:18-24) and then there will be an unchaining of Satan and final rebellion which will be crushed and then the eternal age begins. There are many texts in the Bible which indicate 2 separate resurrections (1 Cor 15, Rev 20) which and that the New Heavens and New Earth will not begin as soon as Jesus returns (Joel 3:19), this is hy many people are Premillennial. Other verses seem like there will be one resurrection (Daniel 12:2) and only one final battle (Zeph 1:18) which would fit with the Postmillennial and Amilliennial views. All views have solid arguments for and against. Either way this video is critiquing the wrong thing, using the opposite word of what the father means.
You're rejecting the idea of Premillennialism, this video is incorrectly titled
Orthodox have different lexicon. Language be like
Yup lol
Yeah this video doesnt make any sense
Premilleannism is the belief that 1000 years happens after the Second Coming and will be the reign of Christ on earth. The Second Coming happens after the Great Tribulation and Antichrist. He explains why 1000 years is not possible after Antichrist and before the return of Jesus, which is the belief of Post-millenialism. Both ideas are not possible and heretical.
@@pamphilus3652it doesn’t make any sense to you because you didn’t take time to listen to what he was saying.
Well said as per usual Father. Thank you.
I give Fr Peter a 10/10 which might be inappropriate but when he speaks it is very refreshing. Maybe it is cause he is a humble person or something? Or maybe cause a lot of Clergy and Monastics have been stressing me out lately, but maybe I am the problem…. Lots of love Fr Peter, asking for your blessing, Deacon’s-wife Marija from Australia.
Did you mean PRE-MILLENIALISM? It seems you confused it with postmillennialism. Premillennialism is the one which has Dispensantionalism as one if its version. Please, correct your video title, it is misleading and confusing for those who are not familiar with eschatological positions.
Thank you for this video
Actually, in protestantism, those that teach a millenium after Christ's coming are called pre-millenialists; post-millenialists and amillennialists teach we are in the millenium now.
Acts 3:21 says, "Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began." (KJV)
Having been raised JW, I can 100% confirm there is little to zero actual absorption of the Bible's teaching. You are taught how to read and interpret it, in the way that the governing body says you should. JW portrays itself as deep faith and wisdom but it's actually quite surface level. So glad I never got baptized, I am free to pursue the actual truth... Not the "truth" they claim to teach.
Father peter, please respond to old calender comments from fr. Joseph
When Artifical Intelligence first appeared with image generation, one of the very first things circulating social media was imitations of Christ's image. Just something strange I observed
This title is incorrect. What is being described is not post-millenialism but rather premillennialism. Dispensationalism (a type of premillennialism) has nothing in common with post-millenialism.
The Church initially had all three views present in it - pre, post, and amillenialism. Then the Church condemned chiliasm (premillennialism) as a heresy and since then only amillenialism and post-millenialism are views that can be held.
You’re speaking about pre-millennialism
Yeah I'm confused
@@OliveMule The Eastern orthodox have their own lexicon, and probably dont know or understand the debates ithin Protestantism, which mostly uses english terminology. The EO Father's spend more time reading their saints than reading the Bible, so idk if they're aware of the scriptural arguments for or against premillennialism.
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Protties don't even understand their bibles
@@tuckerchisholm1005 Lmao. They know the Bible, far better than any protestant really actually. You know, they are the ones that put it together, right? It's just that the Bible falls within the "tradition" just as the saints writings are, and you use them also a guidance for reading and interpreting scripture. it's kinda why protestantism is such a mess.
It is pretty clear when you read Revelations that Jesus will rule for a thousand years and then the devil will be released and swiftly defeated and THAT'S IT end of the story. I am a protestant, but I agree with you.
Yes, it is clear if you think the 1,000 year reign of Christ refers to a literal reign of Christ on earth rather than it being a symbolic number referring to the period where Christ reigns through the Church from Pentecost until the Second Coming. Some people in the early Church believed in the literal 1,000 year reign of Christ on earth after the Second Coming and the Church universally rejected this as a heresy.
@@OrthodoxEthos But the emphasis isnt on if its metaphorical or literal 1000 years, the emphasis is on when it occurs, does Revelation not depict this " state " " millenium " as being AFTER the Second Coming? Im confused on how the Church puts it as before the Second Coming?
Postmil is not dispensationalist, Wilson's view is more consistent with the fathers and says the millennium is not literal, however he says that there will be a golden age of Christianity.
Some Orthodox elders suggest this but before the End there is apostasy & tribulation.
@@traceyedson9652 that is also Wilson's view, that the great falling away will occur after the great commission is accomplished and then the end will come.
@@SuperOverlord999 who’s Wilson and why does he matter?
@@traceyedson9652 Doug Wilson lol
@@SuperOverlord999 why “lol”? I don’t follow him
what book is he reading through here? in particular the slides about dispensationalism starting at 8:45
Fr. what is the Orthodox response to the early Fathers like Justin Martyr and Irenaeus teaching a literal thousand years? How did they get this so wrong?
Fr. Peter hasn't responded to fr. Joseph sauiden, this important.
It was before the council ruling so it's not seen as against the church.
@@LoftOfTheUniverse My question is geared more towards how the Fathers arrived at the position.
@@halleluyah-v5h I think he should
So It's not literal?
We are in the little season. They are wrapping up the destruction of the remenants of Jesus 1000 year reign on behalf of satan.
I'm confused. If the 1000 years is the time between the first and second coming of Christ as stated by St. Andrew, how can that be true since it's been over 2000 years since those two comings?
The position is that the thousand years are not literally one thousand years but rather symbolic. Same way that the Psalms say that God reigns over a thousand hills (I think that’s the verse), but that doesn’t mean that God ONLY rules over a thousand hills, but that the number is symbolic for something grand and enduring. God will be praised for a “thousand generations” but that doesn’t mean that God will only be worshipped by a thousand generations and that this will stop afterwards.
@@samueljennings4809 Ahha, OK that makes sense and thank you. I am trying to recover from too many years of reformed evangelical indoctrination.
@@paulmelonas7263 The prophets tended to round up or down to the nearest sacred number, and the biggest is 1,000, so anything over that is going default to a “millennium”.
@@paulmelonas7263 You should focuse on seeking the truth from your Bible, not just "recover" by imbibing another theology without question
Biblical numbers are instructive or descriptive, not modernistically literal & informative.
What's the name of the outro chant?
Jehovah´s witnesses and others fail to realise that we have already had over 7,000 years since creation. It is the year 7533 from Adam and the creation of the world.
so creation of the world happened after thracians drank wine 7000 BC
@@genautelevishn5999these numbers aren’t meant to be taken (1) in the modernist-fundamentalist-literalist manner, like the 1,000 years; and (2) they aren’t meant to be all-inclusive. Biblical numbers are instructive not factual. Big difference. One is illuminating, the other is distracting.
According to the Septuagint, it is more than a 6,000 years since Adam and Eve. The Jewish and Protestant Bibles erase 750 years of history from Genesis 11, making it only 5, 785 years since Adam and Eve.
I hate to ask this again but who is chanting the Αξιον έστιν at the end? Sorry to be such a bother, but it’s exceptional.
by the way do you know how the Αξιον Εστι chanting was created ?
If the wicked are not destroyed and do not perish like the scriptures say then that means you believe they have eternal life.
This is pre millennial
no its after the ''1000 years'' its in the scripture
@@Razamaniac dude , I'm correcting his title. You're being confusing stop that
@@OliveMule may the Lord Correct you
@@Razamaniac strange that you think the Lord is t working thru me. You must be an American heretic
Followers of sola scriptura (you) need to convert to the ONE TRUE FAITH immediately
Go to your nearest church and sign up for RCIA classes
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@@Razamaniac i am already correct, youre obviously apart of the counter church.
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I dont understand how ST Andrew can say that the " millenium " is between the First and Second Coming of Jesus when Revelation depicts it as following the Second Coming..??
unfortunate that these people reject church fathers, teacherd of the ersly church, councils and dogmas as simply put man-made things.
they fail or wilfully reject the understandong thst the bible and the creeds, etc were put together by these very people, yet they say thst the biblr is the only source of truth and inspirstion for living godly lives.
again when they approached regarding who put (being the early church and the councils represented bybthese church fathers) they cast it aside as being man-made and for thie reason they reject the truth.
how obviously inssne or hypocritical can wuch things be.
Are you coming again to Australia Fr Peter soon??
If you are, please come to South Australia too.
Up to 13:00 Comment: I feel really sorry for Protestants sometimes. Why? I will attempt to answer with the following story: I ran into a school-friend at the ED recently, where we caught up after 6 years since finishing school since the ED/Medical System is arguably inefficient in Australia. She was basically on board with the idea of Icons by the end of our conversation( she is/was-at-the-time a ‘Pentecostal’, and at the beginning of the conversation she thought venerating Icons and/or having them was idolatry cause of the OT and *insert arguments against Icons* ).I wrote her number in my phone (since I did not have it), but now I cannot find it :( I wonder how she might ever make her way to an Orthodox Church :( It seems to my very-inexperienced eyes that the Orthodox Priests here are only interested in the people of their own race. One Priest said something-along-the-lines-of “…I am only here to Shepard the *****-ians…”. Any words of consolation / advice would be appreciated. Only from Fr Peter though / not-randoms. Why does the Orthodox Church (Priests in it) seem to not be applying “…Therefore go and make disciples of all nations…”. (Of course I might be missing something, but please enlighten me if you think I am.)
scripture is clear that there is a distinction between Hell/hades/where the lost will go after death, and the final state of the lost - the second death/Lake of fire. hell itself is cast into the lake at the final judgement so there is no mistaking the two.
also just very confused what this was about, as the title suggests post millenialism, but the content was about dispensationalism..and those 2 views are nearly on opposite sides of a protestant eschatology. they have almost nothing in common
Forgive me Orthodox Ethos, but the title is misleading. It should be corrected if possible. POSTmil and PREmil sre not the same.
God help Fr Peter and all Orthodox Priests. And Bishops. (Same thing? Except the latter can make(ordain) Priests? I find the Orthodox Hierarchical System really confusing….)
I can understand not wanted to usher in the end times, but siding with terrorists who have been enemies of the gospel for 1400 years doesnt like the right thing either.
The position that you are referring to is Dispensational premillenium no post millennial. Please amend the title of the video.
He mislabeled this. He is talking about dispensationalism and millenial futureism
Title is entirely wrong. That's pre-millenialism
I didn't know Charles Taze Russel was jewish. Though I did know he was a Freemason. Just look at his gravestone.
But you guys also have a wrong understanding of eschatology. Jesus already returned in 70ad. All of revelation was already fulfilled.
what should the people in Muslim countries do in terms of conversion and having a spiritual father, as you know conversion in such places are a no no
What do you mean when you're saying Aryan?
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Arianism is one of the oldest heresies. Arius taught that Jesus was not of the same essence of the Father but only “like” Him, that Jesus is the first being God created and that He [Jesus] is higher than us but lower than God. Basically kinda similar to JW Christology (except they didn’t think He’s Michael like the JWs do)
I don’t think this is post-millenialism….
Can you address Messianic Judaism?
the pharisee didnt go anywhere, they just changed the names and put on different uniforms
Actually, there are more of them than ever.
Thought the ortho church was preterist? All of the bible has been completed. Since the fall of jerusalem.
Per the Nicene Creed, we still await the second coming of Jesus
Partial preterism. The second coming hasn't happened. Dual fulfillment is another thing to consider.
Who told you that a lying person who every Sunday goes to church and speaks in tongues ?
@@MultiSpeedMetalyes, mattress have multiple fulfillments.
Millennial kingdom is happening right now at the North Pole. It’s almost over
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Replacement nonsense
Not nonsense. One of the best supported doctrines
Unpopular opinion: The Ortho-bro community is fractured deeply over the reception of converts / ecumenism topic, and will not be able to defend the faith when the time comes to announce an official "common baptism" among "brother churches". It is apparently appropriate to talk about theology and history but not this issue, its something which has to be covered up because it scandalizes, demonstrates division among a supposedly "Orthodox" group, might equate to a total disobedience of God via disobeying clergy, etc. This will be a fatal issue in given time for all who are apart of the one true Church, though for now it seems like a matter only for those in the seminaries and for the clergy to determine. When the one who restrains is taken away then shall come the son of lawlessness, the messiah of all those who love unrighteousness. The pharisees accused Christ of being of an impure spirit. They blasphemed the Holy Spirit, according to scripture, because they loved the works of unrighteosness, they did not know God. Energetically they sought out the passions not the grace of God, and so this determined their perception of the law. Many in the Church especially clergy today have this same condition, they are in terms of experience strangers to the reality of Christian life, they do not have spiritual heirarchy, and so what is instructed as necessary to them is just "customs" which may vary from place to place, time to time. Participation in the sacraments entails what? ORTHODOX repentance, not just the watered down modern idea of repenting which means to say some prayer at school or to be nicer to people or something vague like that. That inner life scares people, they do not have wisdom, fear of God, instead they fear discomfort, dispassion, they fall into the carnal traps / vices, that fear dictates what is true and good. People subconsciously want to get rid of Orthodox tradition because participation requires you to be actually trying hard to live according to the commandments, without that the ritual aspect does not confer the divine energy of God, instead it confers condemnation, it fosters spiritual complication and tragedy not healing. That is the pandemic of today... The wisdom of the world is foolishness, and Christ is a foolishness unto the Greeks and stumbling block to the jews (including todays jews, the pharisaic orthodox christians). Yes its just some water, but get in it, God is in the water, His death and resurrection is in that water for us to partake in for the remission of our sins and proper initiation into the holy spiritual life. Its a trick of the devil to use any reason (excuse) at all to subtract this sacrament from the tradition, it is a mass apostasy for millions to enter into the Church without the right presuppositions being met. Never mind how good is your philosophy or theology, did you get the orthopraxis right??? If not, then that theology and stuff is demonic according to st. Silouan the athonite. Sorry to rant but how can people not see all over the world how critical this is? Its potentially the end of world history, Christ warned it will be the problems in the Church not in the world which shall shut closed the gates of mercy forever, its always the apocalyptic era since 33 AD but the arc of this age will be breif and surprising, it will be caused by issues many are unaware of due to their degrees of separation from Orthodoxy and Orthopraxis.
Adam and Eve were created souls and bodies 6,000 years ago, but the earth is much older than that.
the earth was created as an ''adult'' thats why its ''much older''
and because the earth existed but it was not visible and unconstructed (aka under the waters) way before the man was created
And biblical numbers are instructive, descriptive, not scientifically informative & exact in the modernist sense.
@@traceyedson9652science is wrong GOD is truen
@@CoryW-h3q false dichotomy, and you should be very careful with taking God's name - fundamentalist interpretation of scripture isn't equivalent to "God is true".
@@drooskie9525 no it isn't. Science so called these days is not truth and a deliberate lie
Ahh yes eternal hell the first lie ever told “eat from the tree you will Surely not die” 😂