Roland VQD106 First Impressions - Is It REALLY That Quiet?
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I live in a small condo, a 700 sq ft studio concept with an open loft bedroom. My e drums are on my second-floor loft. I tried to play these with disastrous results. The KT-10, so called "low noise" pedals shook the framing two floors down as they make excessive low range thumps. I tried the "tennis ball riser" idea and it did almost nothing. I was under threat of a lawsuit from the association, so I had to stop playing until I came up with a total solution. It had to work, and that means no sound transmission of any significance.
I began research on TH-cam and found many good ideas. In order to ever play again in my condo, the drums have to be absolutely silent. No clacking from pads and cymbals, no thumping to a level which would reverberate, thus amplify in the room, then transfer through the walls and floor. This required much more work than one would expect. Only a full drum booth would work. The key is the platform, which is required to kill all low range impulse through the floor. Starting with 5" high density upholstery foam, then 1" of plywood with 1"x2" perimeter framing, carpet on top. This works well, multiples better than the tennis ball thing, likely good enough with this new Roland quiet kit if one does not use those KT-10's. In my case, additional layers of plywood with cheap bed pillows, then mass loaded vinyl, 1" of terry cloth towels between each successive layer completely killed NEARY ALL sound transmission below. I just kept adding layers as required after testing. I dropped the KT-10's after I got a Simmons Titan 70 and use a tennis ball beater on the bass drum.
The total height of the platform is 10", which is absurd but required to do the job. That shows how hard it is to actually do it successfully. I then built a fully enclosed drum booth around that platform. 1x3 framing, door skin back, R13 insulation, moving blanket covering. Light enough so the panels can be moved. Each wall element is clamped together. Given that all I am mitigating is minor stick clicking, this was enough. The total leakage when playing is 10db, basically nothing significant over 40db ambient room noise levels. A bathroom fan pushes air into the booth, otherwise one would roast quite quickly.
It's imperative that none of the floor elements actually are attached to each other, not the drum booth or the platform. The platform plywood floor elements simply float, thus no transfer of impulse to the other layer below. My drum throne sits on bed risers on the floor. It takes a bit of getting used to, but it works.
Mine was an extreme example. One could start with the single lower foam and plywood level and see if that does it for their use, and if they have an outside wall in their unit, then a full booth may not be required.
You now have the real answer. This new quiet kit is a partial answer, but more work and money need to be spent if you want to really do the thing, and if you have a regular e kit, it can be done if one is willing to spend the money and hundred plus hours labor to do it. I think I have $1,500 dollars into it.
great information! thank you so much for taking the time to share it with us!
Might be easier to move no??
Why do I keep seeing drummers choose a place to live that is not cohesive to their hobby? They never seem to live in a 1st floor apt. or house, and keep playing until they get threatened by lawsuits. The fact that you needed to be threatened by a lawsuit to stop tells a lot.
@@fwiler I own the condo. I bought a basic Roland kit in 2016, thinking it would be quiet enough. Not so. These associations immediately threaten suits like this for all violations of CC&R's, nothing unusual about that. Within a day or two they gave me that notice. You really missed the point. These E kits are not quiet, just quieter than acoustic drums, which no one would try to use in any residential setting like a condo, regardless of which floor it's on. Building a drum booth does work for E kits, not likely for acoustic drums.
@@keystoneskiguy2718 No I didn't miss the point. I see these types of posts all the time. "I live on 2nd floor and people downstairs are pissed off" Well no sht. You should of though of that before moving in. And yes these kits are quiet, I have one. It's the place you picked to live that is the problem if other people can actually hear it. And I hate to break it to ya, but threatening lawsuits is unusual even for a hoa.
I'm considering buying this kit. Acoustic noise was the main reason I stopped playing a couple of years ago and sold all my drum gear
1 year ago I bought my very first drum set. An acoustic set. I played on that for a couple of months and then bought a ekit. I think I'll sell my acoustic set. The ekit just fits my lifestyle way better.
Unless you need to be really REALLY quiet then I would recommend any other mid-tier e-kit over this (a td-17 is cheaper and has more features). They are all far quieter than acoustic drums. This is really only useful for very specific cases. Maybe that's you, maybe it isn't. But I would at least go to a music shop and try a few kits to see if they are quiet enough for you before buying this one.
You might want to check out silent sticks and beaters first, the volume reduction might be the same or more, but you can use them both on electronic and acoustic drums, and they cost as much as sticks and beater cost, not 1600$ and up…. Save some 1560+ and simply switch the sticks and beater, not the drums!
Ditto
I absolutely can see the benefit of this, especially in a hybrid situation where there are mics on acoustic drums that might pick up the noise of the pads. It's why I use BT-1 a lot, cuz the noise is practically zero.
My thoughts exactly. I use a td 17 kvx and acoustic cymbals all around for recordings and I don’t have a problem
I have this kit hooked up to a TD-17 and agree about the kick feeling mushy but believe it's something I will get used to. One other thing not mentioned in your video is that it says in the manual if you want a lighter feel from the HH pedal to remove one of the springs. I did that and it feels better, but not perfect. With both springs on, it required way too much force on the pedal. Kit was worth every penny to me as I am an apartment dweller and it wasn't so much the neighbors as it was others in the apartment being put off by the noise. I can practice late at night now with no problems. If it fits your needs, it's well worth it.
wow! i havent seen 65 drums for years and this is such a glow up!!
keep up the good work!
Another great review. As always.
You do such great reviews. So fair, accurate and impartial! It does make sense to me to have mesh for the ride cymbals but wouldn’t like crashing a cymbal on the surface instead of the edge. Very expensive but like you said…if it means play vs no play…big reason to pay more!
This clever invention finally arrived…go Roland!
I had imagined that mesh cymbals would be the only way to fix this age old problem ….they telepathically snatched the idea and did it!
These are particularly great for Hi-Hat and Ride replacements, as those two pieces are typically struck double-time and no longer drive us up a wall with “thunking” sounds.
Having said this, they should get the next versions to cover more area with mesh(bell zone), use “black” mesh and use soft rubber everywhere.
Yes! If they release fully mesh cymbals w/ a bell zone on the ride & you can buy separately & add to a kit (like my TD17-KVS), then I'm in!
This is an interesting kit but I think they could have thought it out more. If they made the pads and cymbals larger, it would be more comfortable to play. Not having a bell on a ride cymbal seems an odd choice (unless I misunderstood your comment).
Personally, I'd suggest just getting a regular e kit. Look online for drum platform. I don't have the link but there is one online that uses inner tubes that provide the Roland air ball separation. You can make a sound blanket cage out of 2" pvc plumbing pipe and the overall sound would be quieter than this kit.
Nice review as always J!
the quietness of this combined with the look of the VAD line and shut up and take my money
Am I crazy for thinking this drumset should be half the price? I get its quieter, however, the part of an electronic kit that tends to annoy people is the kick drum... if you want a quiet, compact kit why not buy the Yamaha DTX6k2-x or DTX6k3-x and throw this kick drum on it? You'll get basically the same result while having a much better module, more drum zones, and higher quality pads/cymbals.
Roland's choice to not design this kit to be used with a Hi-Hat stand and refusing to include a three zone ride is really killing this kit, especially for the price...
love the attention to detail in your videos
I have purchased the quiet kick pad to replace the KT-10 I was using. The KT-10 was already quiet compared to kick towers and converted bass drums, but this new pad is insanely quiet!
Your playing is improving sounds good man.
I can't believe they didn't put a bell zone on the ride cymbal !!!
That stinks...and the single zones do too.
I utilize everything I could.
The lack there of, would stop me from considering buying it.
Although, I live in a house where my set is quite enough not to drive neighbors nuts.
They can't hear a peep unless I turn up the Amp, so I'm not really a candidate for this set anyways.
But to have it in a small bar is smart.
I have heard a few bands and did hear the acoustic clicking from the edrums they had, but it didn't kill anything being that it was on beat, but it was audible.
It was ever so slightly anyways, and I seemed to be the only one who noticed it too.
My friends had no idea until I pointed it out, and neither did the bar tenders.
The further you got from the area they were playing, the less you heard it too.
We were right up front though.
I didn't record it, but maybe I will next time just to hear if the mic favors the clicking or the sound from the speakers.
That would probably be the only real set back, is if it overpowered the guitar, bass, vocals or any other instruments along with the sound from the speaker with the drums going through it, and, you wanted a good live recording.
Although, you are in a bar with a lot of extra noise anyways....lol
Great review though Justin !!!!!
Always thorough and honest !!!
Love it !!!
😁👍
This is a good tool for practicing and help you with your accuracy because of the smaller pads and you could use this in a small coffee shop gig are a church setting
Would love a comparison with these and an acoustic hybrid with the blackhole system/dB one heads.
Finally a video that shows the actual difference in volume! Great review. How would you compare the noise of these pads to the TCS Silicon pads of Yamaha? As those are quieter already than normal mesh pads. Yamaha cymbals I feel are also a bit quieter than others, I wonder if the best solution would be to add this new Roland kick drum, the noise eaters and the rubber balls for the rack legs.
I wish it wasn't that expensive. The vibration noise is why I can't have a drum kit here and why I'm staying at a beginner level.
You can buy the noise eater platforms and drum rack feet separately, I hear they help with that
You know that many online merchants offer payment in several installments, personally I bought a Roland VAD 307 in 10 X, because I find that it is the closest to an acoustic (in "entry level" lol 2300 €🥵) otherwise there is the VAD 107 which is less than 2000 euros ..., the fact that there is no rack prevents the diffusion of a lot of vibration, there is still the problem of the bass, but I found an alternative, the KT10 pedal (second-hand 120 €) which still gives good sensations relatively close to an acoustic bass drum ... the electronic drum is unfortunately a very expensive instrument but possible if you have the passion 🙂, otherwise I would have advised you to turn to Alesis but for the moment they all have a rack, there is Millenium who also make drums in separate elements, but I cannot guarantee you the same manufacturing quality as at Roland's obviously..., good luck!
These prices for what it is are ....... well, Roland 😂
Yeah, they are the Apple of E Drums
@@ML-jk3sz yup both are worth it.
Don't understand why anyone buys electronic drums specially Roland all you really need to do is get a decent module buy a cheap acoustic kit and buy jobeky or drumtec triggers with lemon cymbals and you' already have better drum set than anything Roland has in there line at a fraction of the cost
@@Savethepandabears E-drums vary in price due to quality of the drums, the modules, the triggers and sustainability. Cheap E-drums tend to break easily, triggers wear out and need constant replacing and have a far less real feel. Also, acoustic drums are not always an option for home use since they are noisy regardless if mesh heads are used. The shells themselves are much louder (resonance) and even low volume cymbals are loud. This might be something that isn't ideal for the household OR if someone lives in a condo / townhouse complex where neighbors are a wall / floor away. E-Drums are far more versatile than acoustics and can easily be used in a recording studio via MIDI inputs and then ran through drum software like EZ Drummer for production. Using E-Drums in this environment saves precious and expensive studio time since the engineer doesn't have to spend hours setting up, micing, EQing and mixing acoustic drums especially when drum software samples are recorded using acoustic drums; and when used sound exactly like real acoustic drums. I personally have both types of kits, my E-Kit I use at home to practice and write and my acoustic set is used when I gig. Hope this helps answer your question of why people buy E-Drums.
your hihat work is REALLY nice dude ❤
It should be a standard that Edrums should be as quiet as they can be
not that simple. There are always tradeoffs.
I like that noise is again a focus. Somehow this was lost for a while (at least to my mind). But: what about that kick setup? Not for me. The noise floor pad? yes, but with the roland kt 10 and not that wobbly kick tower.
Played it, the kick and hihat are really good, the snare not so much, especially when playing off-centre. No bell on the ride sucks. It would be great to get the kick to replace the one I have now, but 600-euros is ludicrous. The sticks also tend to skid off the heads more than on regular meshes.
This is a great home practice kit (glorified practice pads) my family is always complaining about the loud TIC TIC TIC sound from my TD27 KIT and I agree it is very annoying so this is a great solution, as for the Bell missing on the ride cymbal that sucks but I guess you can just set the edge to a bell sound if really needed, this is definitely not a perfect e-drum kit I think Roland could have made them look a lot more like a high end e-drum kit with the new quite technology incorporated that would have been amazing who knows maybe version 2 HOWEVER it will be nice to practice anytime of the day or night on high end practice pads if your budget will allow you to own 2 e-kits lol
For this money, buy a decent sensitive kit and hit it softer. You can also put towels on the noisy pads to the same effect, I tried that with an old Yamaha kit with their rubber pads. Also, you can build a platform that floats on tennis balls, or buy a similar platform for some cheap money. This kit is just a very expensive toy, with no proper hi hat pedal, with no ride ring zone. Sorry, I don't like how much money Roland is asking for their drums (at any price range) that sound like a synth rather than a real acoustic kit.
If I'm not *too* concerned about noise (I live in a house, but would like to practice at night) - Would this be a good kit, or am I paying a premium for these 'noise-less' drums?
Wich one is quieter: KT10 or KDQ8?
Hi, nice video! When is the v71 module review comming?
Hi Justin. Are these pads quieter than Yamaha Textured cellular silicone pads? And are we supposed to hit the crash on the white section to get a regular crash sound or can it be hit in the edge? Thanks
Great review as ever Justin. I was nodding along until the "no bell zone on the ride". Hmmm. Then again, if it was a choice between not playing/practicing and playing without a bell zone, it's a bit of a no brainer. Suck up the no bell zone. :-)
Rumor has it Roland couldn't get a bell zone material that quiet enough so they just didn't include it on the kit
I think it's a work of genius. The price doesn't bother me if you consider the trouble it will save you if you have sensitive neighbors. Best option would be the 07 version with ez drummer 3.
Is ez drummer 3 really worth it like that? I use logic and the sounds aren’t to bad in there after tweaking, I just can’t get myself to drop $500 on software for just drums but that’s the world I guess
@@KhakiSteveHarvey It's not nearly that expensive. I think it's $120 or something? And yes, it is absolutely worth it. It sounds go good, it's making me question why I bother recording acoustic drums, haha.
@@demonicsweaters wow and if it’s 120 you got me on my cupter right now going to buy it. Thanks so much
Still not silent enough? Use adoro silent sticks and Beater to reduce the volume even 80% more!
another great vid.
Would be great if there was an actual link to THIS drum kit in the description, not just a general link to your online store…..
Ooff that’s pricey typical Roland then ! Playing wise it just looks like any kinda budget type kit to me ! I’m all for the quiet bit though I hate the tapping sound you get through the headphones I’ve always found that annoying. I don’t think I could live with those cymbals though the hitting zone is so small they suck . Great review Justin 👍
Hang on, is there any chance the first beat you played was of Dareh Meyod by O.A.R.? I know that song so well.
so than you buy this expensive thing and than the bassdrum pad is still shaking all over the place, I don't like the feel of shaking bass drum pads, that would be the reason for me to change it with the VAD18" BD, or is this pad really less loud than a VAD BD?
Honestly...
Absolute great Idea and really nice Job from Roland...
But ...
For that price i think this Kit is way to small....
But otherwise...
Maybe other, cheaper, Companys step on that train too...
The Idea is absolutely fantastic...
And your Review too, Justin..
as always 😉
I think the main attraction is the cymbal that have mesh material
Yeah the cymbal bow zone is incredibly quiet, but also the kick drum was really impressive. Much much quieter than a KD10
I’ve been having the td1-kv as my first *proper* entry level kit for.. 10 years, now (maybe more). Hitting the cymbals on that thing is like hitting a hard cover on a book, almost. As for the beater vibrations, i use those insulating floor things they use for gyms, it dampens the vibration quite well. If you throw in a thick rug as well, should be solid.
Aaanyway, my (creative) question is.. would it be possible to use that module with this? I know it’s a stretch, but worth asking 😅
Yamaha TVs pads are really quite, and have a better trigger response.
Waiting for the Strata Core video!
Alesis isn't sending over a review kit, so I won't be making a dedicated video on it any time soon
@65Drums :(
their loss
Hey, wanted to ask, can I connect the pads to Pearl Mimic pro?(even with adding 1/8" to 1/4" adapters)
Wouldn't it be fine for a specialty kit like this to just have more regular pads instead of faux-cymbals? Like if low volume is the only objective maybe don't add the fake plastic cymbal cover on those pads. When a design gets so niche and weird looking I don't think we need to hold on to the idea of making everything mimic the look of "real" drums and cymbals anymore. Make the quietest 2-zone pad of all time, add a center mount option and let the customer decide what configuration they want. These cymbals have no bell zone anyway. I wonder if people would just refuse to buy a kit that was all pads.
Super impressed with how quiet that kick is!
will you be doing a review video on the new simmons MC cymbals or alesis strata core?
If those companies send me a review unit to borrow sure, but unless they do I won't be able to cover them
I had to use an alesis kit live in a church, and we had several people complain that when I was smacking the cymbal pads (which you had to do on that kit to get an edge hit... Even with adjusting thresholds). This is due to the low volumes that church mixed at, but also the nature of the kit. This kind of kit would probably help in low volume live music environments.
I've experienced the same thing. Rubber cymbals aren't loud when practicing in a house, but in live environments rubber cymbal noise irritates the crap out of me. You really notice when you're not the one playing the kit and have to listen to it from the audience.
probably cheaper and more beneficial to soundproof your room for those prices lol
Thanks for the video. Are those tennis ball beaters ok for mesh heads? It's said not to use felt, since it could damage the mesh- and those balls are *sorta* felt-y right? Are they safe to use in general? (I was considering getting one)
You can use a patch on the head to protect it. I use an Evans.
@@johndef5075 Adding a patch to the mesh head will make it louder.
finally, i have always wanted mesh cymbals cause no matter what rubber the DONK will be loud enough to penetrate doors
Thinking again, given how expansive this is: buy silent sticks and beater and keep your current edrum, and save 1560$….
That is the quietest set Ive heard for sure.
I love my ALESIS NITRO MAX MESH KIT!! IM SO THANKFUL FOR ALESIS!!
Killer kit with some improved nicer BFD stock sounds in there for the money.
….the trick is to find the most convincing sounds in the library.
@jOHNNYDEM i need to plug it in to the computer and download the other sounds! I just don't know how
@@ULTRAVISTA.my understanding is you would need the computer to constantly access those. They have stock BFD sounds already on board.
…Just go with those.
For now, this wouldn’t be for me. What I do like is the bass drum; good thing most of these components are sold separately.
regardless of the drums. I think the sticks make more noise
That's why real drummers use the Aeroband PocketDrum 2 Max, only the most skilled can play them! 😎
@@camgeiger lol, with a VR headset no less!
I got a chance to play this kit at rhe Roland shop near me and was very impressed with how quiet it is. A lot of the store reps I spoke with felt that the bass drum will be the biggest selling item of this kit since it fan be purchased on it's own. In fact, I ordered the kick to pair with my td27 as I am one of those people who live on the third floor and who wants to eliminate impact and airborn noise as much as possible... The kd-10 is particularly nasty in that regard.
This looks like the usual Roland "1 step forward, 2 steps back" situation. Why 2 steps back? Because Roland is back to using proprietary mesh heads.
great, another great drum product that is not available in my country. not blaming anyone, it's just my situation
Me too. Though I found some guy who will import it for me (Chile).
cant wait to buy those leg absorbers for 25 bucks per piece : |
Roland reduced noise, reduced the sizes of their drum and cymbal pads...yet this kit is waaaay more money than a TD-17. Sorry, Roland, but the ridiculous price is highway robbery. Roland owns DW now. And those DWe kits are also obscenely expensive. Nope.
Just play air drums and save 2000$
So, you can’t use the bell on the ride cymbal? Hard pass.