Yamaha’s been making power assist bike longer than anyone. They launched the worlds first and have been at retail since 1993. Last year, Yamaha launch it’s first full suspension bicycle since the full suspension BMX of 1973. I think the YDX-Moro Pro model is awesome
The answer is yes. Just pop down to your local Chinese bike factory and rebadge what they have on offer with a massive mark up. Then do some PR nonsense involving the word “kinematics” many times and graphs no one understands. Easy!
@@Pienimusta absolutely most of the industry is based on marketing and bullshit , you can buy all the components and assemble yourself , anybody with passion and some basic engineering skills can build anything , I know because I have been on both sides of the fence and worked in many factories at the sharp end . What is gas gas or HUSQVARNA about them bikes - the decals !!
Easy cash flow, probably not much cheaper than there trails motor bikes with much larger margins. Its quite a average looking frame imo...good luck to them!
Shame you didn't comment on how they both ride. We watch these video's to see if they're worth spending our money on. Please!!! Less about Bigging up the brand name and more about the bikes themselves. How they ride? Handling characteristics? Weight distribution? Suspension? Fun factor? Etc.etc Thank you.
Just bought a G Trail 2.0 it was a super deal. So far so good. It's better than my 2018 Haibike fat six which I broke the frame twice at the same spot. Although I I rode very hard. Same Yamaha motor on both bikes its great. Always good information keep up the good work 😊
I'm sorry but the bikes just look a little janky, when you look at the big brands in comparison, Just look at the chain/seat stays and how they connect ,not pretty
2 wheels carry our soul! It's a very nice video, I'm an electric mountain bike rider, I live in the Netherlands, I'm still waiting for my new channel. Good luck with my love.
Sorry I dont really like the design of the frame... specs might be ok... but the frame design just really looks like something off a china webshop.. Nope... not liking it at all.
Very cool, Steve, your GasGas cred. And with all these new players in the game, hopefully, it won't be long before we see e-bike motocross of some sort and why not, Yamaha took BMX to another level in '74 with its Yamaha Gold Cup in a stadium in Los Angeles.
Seems to me the profit margin on Ebikes must be massive. They use similar technology as off road motorbikes, with a fraction of the number of components, often with a larger price tag. Also seems to me that you can barely get a cigarette paper between current designs, so I don't think they are selling them to innovate new ideas.
The GasGas Trail and Enduro cross eMTBs both look great! It's interesting that Pierer Mobility AG has decided to offer eMTB brands (KTM, Husky, GasGas) with the 3 different motor manufactures. I heard they are bring the GasGas to the USA, so the pricing will be interesting as it will be competing with the Huskies they just started selling in the USA.
@@stehgrad Wow! you are right KTM eMTB are own by Fahrrad GmbH. So I guess that is why my local KTM dealer said they will not be sell the KTM eMTB, only Husky & GasGas.
There pricing seems alot more in check where some other companies charge as much as a full on motocross bike. Thats what made me steered me away a few years ago.
I think Yamaha PX2 is not as good as Bosch gen4 and Shimano EP8. I ve tested them all....Yamaha was not good on Haibike, way better on Giant bikes with Giant software. Bosch is better, Shimano small and very good too. Curently I ride Brose, very good, best natural feeling - and I hope motor problems are solved - mine still works :)
@@almostclement4975 It was a rhetorical question. Do you clearly understand what rhetorical means? (As I already know the answer to this question then this, too, is really rhetorical.) And, while I’m at it, I spent seven years in network TV, so your ‘proof’ is nothing of the sort. But you carry on if it makes you happy, treacle.
I was in a motorbike store last month and they had a Tazer MX (which was actually lovely) and a Ducati E-MTB. The Ducati was very disappointing up close
I've got a Gas Gas trail 3.0, it rolls like a Cadillac on rough stuff. it's almost perfect, but for the Yamaha motor. That motor feels laggy and has a lot of resistance not allowing you to coast as soon as you let off the pedal. Could it be just mine? Anyone else notice that I the Yammy motors?
Actually not at all. Only time I feel lag if pedalling over limited speed. Once not pedal even over limit speed it just coast nice. I like the yamaha motor and power delivery. But i am no expert.
KTM ebikes have no connetion to KTM motorbikes. Totally different company. Totally different people. GasGas and Husqvarna ebikes are owned by Pierer/KTM motorbikes. :-) ... I hope now everything is clear.
You and i had the same gasa trials bike i think mine was a 2001 300 txt i thought it was great . I think the moto industry could teach the bicycle industry alot a real lot . Dissapointed that neither of these bikes comes with a 27 x 2.8 rear wheel and what about wide rims. I like the look of the husky but think the gasa looks a bit shitty. Be cool to see your moto trials skilll steve .
KTM builds and races all kinds of things, Moto-Gp, bicycles before motorcycles, now they have won a c-ship with a GT2 car, the oxbow, of course they build electric motorcycles, an e bike is par for the course. KTM is Husqvarna and Gas Gas.
The answer is, its another brand of pierer Mobility gmbh to earn some more money. Its the same Bike like Raymon e Bikes. No Innovations from GasGas, only Name to sell more… pour Bikemarket
Love this, I'm the same age as Steve and spent a lot of years riding trial, just got into e mtb, and very nearly bought a fanric e bike, but ended up going for e sommet, to be fair it's not like riding a moto, hopefully I'll get used to it😅
So Gasgas, and Husqvarna are owned by KTM. KTM mostly dominates Motox and the smaller motogo classes with even the top tier KTM winning races. Im sure they will be right up there very soon.
Since all the components of a bike (major and minor) are ALL make by a small number of specialty manufacturers, anyone (including you and me) can launch line of bikes. Making a go of it and having a sustainable business is a different story. Will Gasgas throw in the towel in 3 yrs along with a bunch of other manufacturers when they figure out there is no money to be made??? We shall see.
What can motorcycle brands can bring to mountain biking? Nothing... They just design the frame. Suspension is either from Fox or Rockshox, motor is from either from Bosch, Shimano or Yamaha, drivetrain is either from Shimano or SRAM. Only change is the price tag! I would be much more exited about brands that changed cycling world.
@@bumbalaridesmtb4910 frame is not by definition “nothing” and expertise in moto and trials could yield design breakthroughs. That said, “nothing” could apply to every “frame” manufacturer reliant on other vendors to deliver an complete bike.
Nice bike but the same same slightly different frame different stickers but all the hardware on frame as many other bikes , lot people starting to see how Public getting milked ,but what do you do happy riding haha
Thats absolutely up to you 😁 We go above and beyond to declare when we're paid to make content. Frankly without it we wouldn't be able to release any content here that's free to watch! We're never told what to say and it's always our opinion, but totally up to you if you where you want to get your e-bike info 👍
You’re absolutely right but one advert break on a 10 minute video is reasonable but they are too frequent for me on your videos. You won’t miss me as an audience and I won’t miss you as a producer so its win win 👍
7 mins in and you haven’t started talking about the actual bikes and if they are any good or not? What a strange format for a video? Is this just one big Ad?…
Legal Emtbs have a social licence because they are quiet and don't spin the wheel causing massive erosion. Motorcycles are universally hated by the general public because of noise and rider attitudes. I Hope moto riders leave their attitude of "looking for peace to disturb" in the shed when they discover the magic of Emtbs and are smart enough to not derestrict bikes and ruin benifits of No licence, rego and insurance. E=Mtb²
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Yamaha’s been making power assist bike longer than anyone. They launched the worlds first and have been at retail since 1993. Last year, Yamaha launch it’s first full suspension bicycle since the full suspension BMX of 1973. I think the YDX-Moro Pro model is awesome
The answer is yes.
Just pop down to your local Chinese bike factory and rebadge what they have on offer with a massive mark up. Then do some PR nonsense involving the word “kinematics” many times and graphs no one understands.
Easy!
Do not give away the business secret of 80%-90% of whole bike industry.
@@Pienimusta absolutely most of the industry is based on marketing and bullshit , you can buy all the components and assemble yourself , anybody with passion and some basic engineering skills can build anything , I know because I have been on both sides of the fence and worked in many factories at the sharp end . What is gas gas or HUSQVARNA about them bikes - the decals !!
Easy cash flow, probably not much cheaper than there trails motor bikes with much larger margins.
Its quite a average looking frame imo...good luck to them!
All bikes are made in Asia so what are you going on about?
@@holdencaulfied7492 read what I wrote again and read the comments.
shouldn't the bike be called, Battery Battery?
Shame you didn't comment on how they both ride. We watch these video's to see if they're worth spending our money on.
Please!!! Less about Bigging up the brand name and more about the bikes themselves.
How they ride? Handling characteristics? Weight distribution? Suspension? Fun factor? Etc.etc
Thank you.
They get paid to make these videos by the company. These aren’t reviews.
Finally Yamaha motor, probably the best one, most reliable :-)
Unfortunately the Yamaha motor isn't very nice. It's the most artificial feeling of all the motors in
Just bought a G Trail 2.0 it was a super deal. So far so good. It's better than my 2018 Haibike fat six which I broke the frame twice at the same spot. Although I
I rode very hard. Same Yamaha motor on both bikes its great. Always good information keep up the good work 😊
Impressive bikes/video! Thanks Steve!
I'm sorry but the bikes just look a little janky, when you look at the big brands in comparison,
Just look at the chain/seat stays and how they connect ,not pretty
but if they were 30% less they may be compelling , if not 100% agree
Great video... great review as always...
Great video. Amazing bike. Actually really want one of these.
I have a gasgas ec 250 2 stroke supermoto and I love it. Gasgas is the best🎉
Bring it on competition is good and will hopefully bring down the ludicrous price of emtbs.
Not kidding I priced out one that was really cool but $14,000USD!
Gasgas looks like r raymon TrailRay :)
it is more or less the same company ;-)
KTM, Husky, GasGas, Raymon - all are part of PIERER Mobility Group
@@ssse3123 KTM looks the best, plus it's Carbon and has a Bosch system
Yes, i have a raymon and it is the Same frame, motor. Gasgas looks better 😅👍
@@ssse3123 KTM bikes are not part of Pierer.
2 wheels carry our soul! It's a very nice video, I'm an electric mountain bike rider, I live in the Netherlands, I'm still waiting for my new channel. Good luck with my love.
Sorry I dont really like the design of the frame...
specs might be ok... but the frame design just really looks like something off a china webshop..
Nope... not liking it at all.
Very cool, Steve, your GasGas cred. And with all these new players in the game, hopefully, it won't be long before we see e-bike motocross of some sort and why not, Yamaha took BMX to another level in '74 with its Yamaha Gold Cup in a stadium in Los Angeles.
We hope so! That sounds very cool, we tried a 'supercross' race on a loop we created a while back, fun day!
Nice presentation, you're great Steve!
I wonder if they can make them cheaper. They're ridiculously expensive.
3:31 GAS GAS O VAMOS, GAS A FONDO! 🤣 BIEN DICHO STEVE!
Looks like a Raymon Trailray
it is more or less the same company ;-)
@@kersi7491 pexco --> pierer
@@Mari-hb6po i know 🙈.....
Seems to me the profit margin on Ebikes must be massive. They use similar technology as off road motorbikes, with a fraction of the number of components, often with a larger price tag. Also seems to me that you can barely get a cigarette paper between current designs, so I don't think they are selling them to innovate new ideas.
The GasGas Trail and Enduro cross eMTBs both look great! It's interesting that Pierer Mobility AG has decided to offer eMTB brands (KTM, Husky, GasGas) with the 3 different motor manufactures. I heard they are bring the GasGas to the USA, so the pricing will be interesting as it will be competing with the Huskies they just started selling in the USA.
KTM ebikes has no connetion to Pierer.
@@stehgrad Wow! you are right KTM eMTB are own by Fahrrad GmbH. So I guess that is why my local KTM dealer said they will not be sell the KTM eMTB, only Husky & GasGas.
There pricing seems alot more in check where some other companies charge as much as a full on motocross bike. Thats what made me steered me away a few years ago.
Looks fantastic and great value for money
Are you going to do a film on the hybrid going to town with options on going off road ld be very interested in how it works
I think Yamaha PX2 is not as good as Bosch gen4 and Shimano EP8. I ve tested them all....Yamaha was not good on Haibike, way better on Giant bikes with Giant software. Bosch is better, Shimano small and very good too. Curently I ride Brose, very good, best natural feeling - and I hope motor problems are solved - mine still works :)
My brose Levo (2019)has 8k miles on it now. No problems yet.
Do you have any videos of the advantages and disadvantages of horizontal and vertical rear suspension systems?
there arent any. they work just the same
I get the economics of a YT channel, but does every feature absolutely need to be a lush veneration of the sponsor’s wares?
The fact that you’re even asking proves that you clearly don’t understand how advertising/sponsorship works.
@@almostclement4975 It was a rhetorical question. Do you clearly understand what rhetorical means?
(As I already know the answer to this question then this, too, is really rhetorical.)
And, while I’m at it, I spent seven years in network TV, so your ‘proof’ is nothing of the sort. But you carry on if it makes you happy, treacle.
I agree, this type of their videos are basically infomercials. They are well produced and entertaining, but I don't expect any critical analysis.
I was in a motorbike store last month and they had a Tazer MX (which was actually lovely) and a Ducati E-MTB. The Ducati was very disappointing up close
"they might not be so obsessed with weight" translation they are heavy af
I've got a Gas Gas trail 3.0, it rolls like a Cadillac on rough stuff. it's almost perfect, but for the Yamaha motor. That motor feels laggy and has a lot of resistance not allowing you to coast as soon as you let off the pedal. Could it be just mine? Anyone else notice that I the Yammy motors?
Actually not at all. Only time I feel lag if pedalling over limited speed. Once not pedal even over limit speed it just coast nice. I like the yamaha motor and power delivery. But i am no expert.
i got one and yes i cant go very fast the motor wont allow it
@@jyoung6708 You guys are hitting speed limiter. Need to get rid of it.
Love it... "1 Euro short of 4000 Dollars"
Do GasGas E MTBs have the infamous "Turbo Button" 😂
Or put there name on an Raymon Bike! And call it theres 🥴
My first motorbike was a gasgas... still missing it
I already feel bad for the future KTM ebike owner haha
KTM ebikes have no connetion to KTM motorbikes. Totally different company. Totally different people. GasGas and Husqvarna ebikes are owned by Pierer/KTM motorbikes. :-) ... I hope now everything is clear.
more E-CAR reviews, please!
Are they allowed at mtn bike parks?
Anyone can make a frame.
They all pretty much come out of Taiwan
Why not when they can sell a emtb for the price if a gas one!
You and i had the same gasa trials bike i think mine was a 2001 300 txt i thought it was great . I think the moto industry could teach the bicycle industry alot a real lot . Dissapointed that neither of these bikes comes with a 27 x 2.8 rear wheel and what about wide rims. I like the look of the husky but think the gasa looks a bit shitty. Be cool to see your moto trials skilll steve .
KTM builds and races all kinds of things, Moto-Gp, bicycles before motorcycles, now they have won a c-ship with a GT2 car, the oxbow, of course they build electric motorcycles, an e bike is par for the course. KTM is Husqvarna and Gas Gas.
I’m in Fort Wayne Indiana USA
How did the bike ride?
The answer is, its another brand of pierer Mobility gmbh to earn some more money. Its the same Bike like Raymon e Bikes.
No Innovations from GasGas, only Name to sell more… pour Bikemarket
Honda made some MTBs, almost always they don't even design them let alone manufacture them themselves
Love this, I'm the same age as Steve and spent a lot of years riding trial, just got into e mtb, and very nearly bought a fanric e bike, but ended up going for e sommet, to be fair it's not like riding a moto, hopefully I'll get used to it😅
So Gasgas, and Husqvarna are owned by KTM. KTM mostly dominates Motox and the smaller motogo classes with even the top tier KTM winning races. Im sure they will be right up there very soon.
Raymon make these bikes. This is actually a raymon full ray painted in gas gas colours.
Not a pleasing design, the Husgavana looks better
Yet another ebike video and no one mentions bafang...
I'm a big gas gas fan so I got disappointed with this Bike,, but I'm sure many will buy it because it's gasgas
Maybe Honda might make some more bikes now they are packing in F1... but this time not melt them all down... ! (supposedly)
Since all the components of a bike (major and minor) are ALL make by a small number of specialty manufacturers, anyone (including you and me) can launch line of bikes. Making a go of it and having a sustainable business is a different story. Will Gasgas throw in the towel in 3 yrs along with a bunch of other manufacturers when they figure out there is no money to be made??? We shall see.
I do not like the design of these GasGas bikes...Great show
Raymon-gasgas?
I saw the same thing as I own a Raymon myself. to me they are the same bike.
Yes, Gasgas didnt create anything here. It's Raymon frames with worse parts for the same price as the Raymons
Ktm, husqvarna and gas gas are all the same company. There Motocross bikes are literally the same bikes
Their.
Another bike using the gasgas name and made under license, shame emtb can not tell the actual truth about the brand.
Seems to work from Chainsaws to E-bikes at least for Husqvarna
They are different companies.
Do you forget yamaha and ktm ebikes
What? 4 grand and I still have to pedal myself or it won't move?
What did he say…? 😆👍🏻
The one and only reason they are selling ebikes, is to meet EU emissions regulations.
Ironic that KTM is buying motors from Yamaha...
Never buy a Gasgas at MSRP. My dealer gave me 1000€ discount on the mid range model.
can they price them lower than a motorbike ?
Chainstays are horribly long…..🤢
This bike is selling for so cheap where I live. So cheap it seems like maybe it's not real.
Anybody know anything about that?
What can motorcycle brands can bring to mountain biking? Nothing... They just design the frame. Suspension is either from Fox or Rockshox, motor is from either from Bosch, Shimano or Yamaha, drivetrain is either from Shimano or SRAM. Only change is the price tag! I would be much more exited about brands that changed cycling world.
@@bumbalaridesmtb4910 frame is not by definition “nothing” and expertise in moto and trials could yield design breakthroughs. That said, “nothing” could apply to every “frame” manufacturer reliant on other vendors to deliver an complete bike.
GasGas means Scratches in the Philippines 😁😁
Yamaha motor on KTM group products. Haha
KTM eMTB uses Bosch and it looks way better
Full on advertisement, there is nothing of value other than that
Strange geo numbers.
Nice bike but the same same slightly different frame different stickers but all the hardware on frame as many other bikes , lot people starting to see how Public getting milked ,but what do you do happy riding haha
I need to buy a E-Bike HELP ME !!!!!
Can a bike manufacturer make ebike yes ktm can
KTM !!!!
Everyone going on about the price of EBikes. Yes they are expensive but look at the price of a normal bike. They are an even bigger rip off.
Gasgas once made a ATV ..it was absolutely Shit .
Far too many adverts through your videos pushes me towards other video makers. Its too much in a 10 minute video
Thats absolutely up to you 😁 We go above and beyond to declare when we're paid to make content. Frankly without it we wouldn't be able to release any content here that's free to watch! We're never told what to say and it's always our opinion, but totally up to you if you where you want to get your e-bike info 👍
You’re absolutely right but one advert break on a 10 minute video is reasonable but they are too frequent for me on your videos. You won’t miss me as an audience and I won’t miss you as a producer so its win win 👍
7 mins in and you haven’t started talking about the actual bikes and if they are any good or not? What a strange format for a video? Is this just one big Ad?…
sadly, yes it is.
Flashy vid with little-no real info.
Its a little smelly even with deoderant.
Legal Emtbs have a social licence because they are quiet and don't spin the wheel causing massive erosion. Motorcycles are universally hated by the general public because of noise and rider attitudes. I Hope moto riders leave their attitude of "looking for peace to disturb" in the shed when they discover the magic of Emtbs and are smart enough to not derestrict bikes and ruin benifits of No licence, rego and insurance. E=Mtb²