Most people looking to get into mountain biking would be well suited for a Trail bike or all-mountain if your local trails are a bit more gnarly.. so around 130-150mm front and rear. Will let you do the most types of riding. Most people are 'over-biked' with too much suspension, which can make riding less 'extreme' trails not nearly as fun, even laborious and sluggy.
I recently bought a 'Cube Stereo Hybrid 140', buying a bike in this time is a damn achievement on its self but the 140mm is proven to be more then capable in my opinion.
So most of the conclusions were about difference in front wheel size and geometry rather than about the travel question. I know this is all interesting stuff but this missed the key point in my view. Bigger travel is obviously better in hefty downhill situations, especially when you come across a surprise big feature. But is there a compromise going up hill?? There is a massive trade off on manual bikes, but does the bigger travel bike lose out on a range of climbs...?
@@pags1981 nonsense.. the size difference is miniscule. You're talking about 1.5 inches difference... how much more bigger do you think its the contact area with the ground. ?? Its all in your skill...
You kept going on about the 3 main differences of the bikes. Geometry, 150 vs 180 and the 27.5 vs mullet what about that 4th difference? What is RRP for each??.
Should have added the 200mm DH bike in to the test as well. I would personally want an ebike to get me to the top of downhill tracks and it would be good to see how much of a difference there is with the DH version compared to these.
Maybe you guys could refer to auto racing for an analogy. What's the difference in performance capability between an F1 car, which has almost zero suspension travel, and a Baja racer, which might have more than a foot of travel? Put either of those racers on the other track and they will be humiliated. More travel is not an "upgrade", but it seems that many guys on the forums think it is.
Recently bought a bike, it was not normal how hard it was to find a bike, all the brands were sold out and managed to find a Cube Stereo Hybrid 140. the last one available this year in size M.
Its quite simple. If you don't ride a lot of bikepark a mullet 150mm bike is for you. If you do ride a lot of bikepark then 27.5 front and back is ideal. And when I say bikepark here I mean bikepark downhill 😀 making this clarification as me and my friend ride the bikepark DH tracks uphill during off hours when the lifts are not running 😀
You had to order them in December 2020. And still Husqvarna was one of the rarest that was available… Treck, Merida, scott in price range 4-5K€ were impossible to get in 2021…
please tell me how is the quality of the bike , im about to purchase husqvarna mc5 , is it good so far , had any problems with parts or something similar ? thanks in advance!
Hi Please could you tell me if there's any dealers set up for 2022 ? I'm in Burnley Lancashire. They will be a FANTASTIC bike with next year's 726wh battery especially the Enduro model. Is that sump guard as strong as it looks ? Could you PLEASE do a review of each bike ? Thank you for a great show🙏
Hey I'm looking to get a second bike to use while my bike is getting worked on...can you please check out Ghost Kato FS ,,,it looks ok on pictures but has many cheap part's etc,,, please i need a honest review of that bike
@@rolux4853 i mean chris is riding the kanevo more than other bikes , he has at least two kanevos i know of . Yes It appears the kanevo is an epic ride , i rode a 2020 kanevo last wed and it left a very positive impression
I like the 160/170 of the altitude powerplay I had a 2019 A70 and loved it. The 2022-23 A50 will probably be my next ebike. That Husqvarna 150/160 for what I do would be enough travel. But, I'm a big guy...220. What you guys think?
Exactly! I think maybe there is no bike manufacturer that can top the value for money ( component wise) of Husqvarna. Would be interesting putting Husky against a big brand of the same cost and intended use🤔🤔🤔🤔
Mine has 10.75" travel and g510. I can sit on the seat and go over everything basicly. I wouldn't trade for anything. I suggest trying it :) buy one! :) Youll be seeing it. I cant watch any more. Been doing it forever. Only the alutech compares, but it doesn't :)
For me it's the head angle, as a trail rider NON slack is better for intricate control the bike feels and flows better. If I had to buy just one of these I would buy the 180 27.5 both back and front. 29 front is too slow for me as I like playful feel.
It feels like all these bikes don't factor rider weight. They compare using assumption of 170lb rider. IME, heavier riders need a beefier bike all else being equal.
What about the weight of the rider? Fair enough a good suspenion tune can help you get a better feel from the bike but somethings you just need to step it up to the larger travel bikes to get that better small bump senstivity. Would love to see you guys take some larger 100kg+ guys out on these test as these bike could feel completely different for them.
Yes they are at your local Husqvarna motor bike shop. unfortunately we only got limited #'s, and only few of the model line up. basically MC5, MC7, HC7, HC9, EC9, and EC10, which is basically the rock shock package for the lower # in the series, and a Fox shock package in the higher # in the series. with the exception of the SR sun tour on the EC9, as I suspect Rock Shocks could not provide their Boxxer shock that was originally speed out for that bike.
Yes WTF is "down country". Just ride what you have got and adapt your style to suit the bike. Everyone thinks they have the best dog and bike and none of them are wrong. But E=Mtb²
I would like to mix those bike's together to one bike, taking the slackest short chain stay bike and put on the 27,5 wheel's and the thicker fork , but I would like the fork for 29 even with 27,5 wheel's so it gets longer and has option to go mullet,, that would make it even slacker then it is now and put on the best Brakes,,i have levo fsr 29 but it wasn't the bike i wanted i began saving for the previous model that LEVO 6fattie that had 27,5 plus sized Tyres and when it wasn't in the online catalog i pointed to the kenevo with 2,8 tyres it was the cheapest emtb from specialized in 2018/2019 and told the store that I would be happy with any of the bike's just not the one with the ugly green color....a week later I stopped by the store to check if the Bike had come and they Said it's here but you shouldn't be so excited about it,,i started to wonder if it had broken or something in the shipment but no it was the only bike i said i wouldnt be so happy about the one in a very ugly neony kinda yellowish Green color.. they said i could have it six thousand Norwegian thousand cheaper (alot of money) to make me happy..so I got it for 4000 Dollars approximately .now I wanna mullet it and get a dropper on the Brakes is good sram 203mm ! But I want the magura 220mm in the front and move the four piston front caliper to the back where The two Piston caliper is now ,,i dont Think it's really needed but I still want to..and I really want a fat fork..and a dropper I'm tired of riding with too low seat it's so difficult to move up and down so I just left it slammed! The thing is all the upgrades i want is enough to buy a decent emtb here like the ghost Kato (3300 euro approximately or 34000nok) Ohh thanks for reading my book of a comment....
Husqvarna has been making bikes since before they made motorcycles, they have just been keeping them to themselves up there in Sweden. These new e-bikes are actually just slightly different R-Raymon bikes, and the Gas Gas e-bikes are just rebadged R Raymon bikes.
Well if they would have had the HC9 rather than the HC8 as it would have been more comparable that way. From a spec point of view the MC7 is the highest end Mountain cross, and the HC8 is the upper middle, HC9 is the high end Hard Cross.
I can barely afford one bike, let alone 6 different bikes for different conditions... Enduro, XC, DH etc... What I want to know is what is the best all-round bike for a tall guy whose skill is less than either of these presenters... I don't want to always have to ride the same places because my bike is 'wrong'... don't box me in...
I have a 2019 mountain cross 6 and find great for climbing and technical down hill. My year was factory 27.5 x 2.6 wheels. I've been thinking about swapping to an extreme cross, but do I really need too. I don't do big drops or jumps. Thinking now just upgrading the battery to a 630w
@@grantallan8495 Go for a trail bike with travel around 130 to 160 mm front and back. Trail bikes are THE do-it-all bikes you are looking for. You can do XC with them, go enduro and even some DH is not a problem for them. Basically only DH bikes are truly hyper specialized and only good for DH and nothing else. There is only very little difference between a trail and an enduro bike up to the point where even Pros struggle to actually explain the difference. Enduros have a little more travel these days (170 to 180) 27.5 or 29 inch wheel size is pretty much your choice and a sole matter of preference, frame sizing will take care of your body height.
I just bought a 2021 Trek Rail, which according to many reviewers is the perfect do-it-all enduro / all mountain Emtb. Rode it yesterday for the first time, very happy with it.
Find the geometry that fits you best, with the motor/battery combo that works for you. Then you can tune the suspension to however and wherever you ride. Spec overload is real. I’m 6’7” (201cm) and picked based on geometry and battery alone. Searched the online stores daily and found a SC Bullit.
Chris: "and the gearing on this bike, I got a 10-52 cassette with a shimano mech"......🤔 Steve: as Chris mentioned I have a slightly more bougie cassette as I have the XT version, but never the less it is the same geat ratio at 10-51... 👍 STEVE FOR THE WIN!! STEVE: "haha chris, were running shimano today not sram lol!!!! 😂🤣😂🤣😂
I’m so disappointed by the choice to go from a real mountainbike company like Specialized to a shell company who has no knowledge at all about mtb like Husqvarna and just wants a piece of the big fat money cake. That’s the definition of sellout. Call me an elitist all you want, but I just can’t enjoy these videos the same way as before. I even miss complaining about Specialized‘s prices!
The fuck are you talking about? Husqvarna has been making pedal bikes for like 80 years before Specialized was ever a thing, just because you are not aware of something does not make a thing not there. Specialized make great products for sure, but these Husky's are well made, reasonably priced, and there are lots of different options for builds for consumers to chose from.
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E-Enduro before 2020 became E-AllMountain of 2021. My "old" 2019 TRANCE E+ SX 1 PRO is 160/140. Love uphill and downhill with him.
180 with a mullet all the way for me. just seems to give you more options.
I love the motor protection, all manufacturers should give their motors rock hit protection.
Most people looking to get into mountain biking would be well suited for a Trail bike or all-mountain if your local trails are a bit more gnarly.. so around 130-150mm front and rear. Will let you do the most types of riding. Most people are 'over-biked' with too much suspension, which can make riding less 'extreme' trails not nearly as fun, even laborious and sluggy.
I have a 200mm downhill ebike and it is a blast to ride everywhere
Very confusing and similar outcome to the Levo/Kenevo comparisons. All I can take away, is buy what appeals and adapt your riding style to suit.
I recently bought a 'Cube Stereo Hybrid 140', buying a bike in this time is a damn achievement on its self but the 140mm is proven to be more then capable in my opinion.
The new cubes are really good value for their money!
They caught up with somewhat modern geometry in their latest models and are good rideable bikes!
@@rolux4853 yeah i enjoy the bike very much, feels really good
same here, i agree
Nice bike mate, and good job getting it, you are so right about how hard it is to get a bike, any bike at all. Enjoy : )
I have a 140 race hpc and ive put fox e36 factory float forks on and it's feckin awesome 👍
Does everything i throw at it superbly.
So most of the conclusions were about difference in front wheel size and geometry rather than about the travel question. I know this is all interesting stuff but this missed the key point in my view. Bigger travel is obviously better in hefty downhill situations, especially when you come across a surprise big feature. But is there a compromise going up hill?? There is a massive trade off on manual bikes, but does the bigger travel bike lose out on a range of climbs...?
it doesnt
Finally someone is prepared to admit the limitations of 29ers. A good honest review 👍
no. limitations? differences. one wheel size will be more suitable to one riders needs the other size to another.
@@garymartin557 limitations...pain to manual, donesnt corner as well, flex more, look like penny farthing wagon wheels
@@pags1981 nonsense.. the size difference is miniscule. You're talking about 1.5 inches difference... how much more bigger do you think its the contact area with the ground. ?? Its all in your skill...
You kept going on about the 3 main differences of the bikes. Geometry, 150 vs 180 and the 27.5 vs mullet what about that 4th difference? What is RRP for each??.
@ 6:41. Steve doing his best Bubbles impression. 😂
I have been running a X-1 Luna enduro Cycle with 160m front 200m rear. Seems to be the sweet spot for my weight and riding style.
We’re did you get those bash-Guards under the ebike motors?
They come stock on the bikes
Should have added the 200mm DH bike in to the test as well. I would personally want an ebike to get me to the top of downhill tracks and it would be good to see how much of a difference there is with the DH version compared to these.
There is, the extreme cross
Nice to see you two together :) Damn... thx for making it easier to choose & decide what is the right new eBike for me.
Travel does not really matter it is Just about having fun with you're mate's
How can you visit your mates if you can't travel?
@@xtrailz 😂
@@xtrailz hahaha
@@robinvandercruijsen7089 /r/whoosh
Yes, it is about having fun with you are mates
Not really a comparison if your using different riders. Good ad for husky though.
Outstanding job on this TH-cam channel 💯❤️🇺🇸💪
Maybe you guys could refer to auto racing for an analogy. What's the difference in performance capability between an F1 car, which has almost zero suspension travel, and a Baja racer, which might have more than a foot of travel? Put either of those racers on the other track and they will be humiliated. More travel is not an "upgrade", but it seems that many guys on the forums think it is.
Exactly
I m with you Steve, mountain cross all day long.
Used to ride husqvarnas in mx years back.
Where can we get these husqvarnas in the uk?
We are talking about models 2021 that are impossible to buy ahahaha
They are available if you google them.
Recently bought a bike, it was not normal how hard it was to find a bike, all the brands were sold out and managed to find a Cube Stereo Hybrid 140. the last one available this year in size M.
Its quite simple. If you don't ride a lot of bikepark a mullet 150mm bike is for you. If you do ride a lot of bikepark then 27.5 front and back is ideal. And when I say bikepark here I mean bikepark downhill 😀 making this clarification as me and my friend ride the bikepark DH tracks uphill during off hours when the lifts are not running 😀
@@markusilomaki8922 i would like a 26 27,5 plus sized tyres 160mm travel fork as a all-round funbike (got a LEVO fsr 29)
You had to order them in December 2020. And still Husqvarna was one of the rarest that was available… Treck, Merida, scott in price range 4-5K€ were impossible to get in 2021…
got the husqvarna hc8 this week. in sam pilgrims words: this bike is THE actual dream ;-)
I got the Mountain Cross since about 2 months and i really love it. Good video!
please tell me how is the quality of the bike , im about to purchase husqvarna mc5 , is it good so far , had any problems with parts or something similar ? thanks in advance!
@@borcepecale216 Hi! im so happy with the MC5, no problemas at all! its a great ebike with a very good price and quality components ;)
If the extra travel offers you a bit more of a safety net, then I'll be looking at the 380mm travel front and back when it comes out.....
Need? No. Want? YES!
Hi
Please could you tell me if there's any dealers set up for 2022 ? I'm in Burnley Lancashire.
They will be a FANTASTIC bike with next year's 726wh battery especially the Enduro model.
Is that sump guard as strong as it looks ?
Could you PLEASE do a review of each bike ?
Thank you for a great show🙏
Hey I'm looking to get a second bike to use while my bike is getting worked on...can you please check out Ghost Kato FS ,,,it looks ok on pictures but has many cheap part's etc,,, please i need a honest review of that bike
Chris looked a bit uncomfortable on the big husky during the big jumps, it must be quite a bit different to his fairly regular Kanevo.
What do you mean with „fairly regular Kenevo“?
The Kenevo is much more capable than that Husqvarna.
@@rolux4853 i mean chris is riding the kanevo more than other bikes , he has at least two kanevos i know of . Yes It appears the kanevo is an epic ride , i rode a 2020 kanevo last wed and it left a very positive impression
Hi,, WHat part of Tintern were you riding? Any chance of letting us know the coordinates or trail maps locations for us to follow and explore
I like the 160/170 of the altitude powerplay I had a 2019 A70 and loved it. The 2022-23 A50 will probably be my next ebike. That Husqvarna 150/160 for what I do would be enough travel. But, I'm a big guy...220. What you guys think?
Give me 180 All Mountain 💯
Have cube bike with 140 mm fork. When I go to single, even the difficulties, I pass all over. It’s question on feeling with 29’
Crazy that the MC is slacker then the HC. Husqvarna's eEWS team is using the MC over the HC, I wonder if this is (one of) the reason why?
Hi I’ve looked everywhere for a husky and having no joy where are the dealerships
I'll take a good handling 150 mm all day !
Production value - ace.
Exactly! I think maybe there is no bike manufacturer that can top the value for money ( component wise) of Husqvarna.
Would be interesting putting Husky against a big brand of the same cost and intended use🤔🤔🤔🤔
Btw, I'm looking in to a base model hard cross to modify to my needs..
Mine has 10.75" travel and g510. I can sit on the seat and go over everything basicly. I wouldn't trade for anything. I suggest trying it :) buy one! :) Youll be seeing it. I cant watch any more. Been doing it forever. Only the alutech compares, but it doesn't :)
The lower bottom bracket means more peddle strikes on technical climbs.
What are the heat tube angles ? ?
@6:38 "STILL IN THE BALANCE" the HAND knows
So, choose the bike that suits your riding focus…..got it…thanks fellas for clearing that up….
For me it's the head angle, as a trail rider NON slack is better for intricate control the bike feels and flows better. If I had to buy just one of these I would buy the 180 27.5 both back and front. 29 front is too slow for me as I like playful feel.
Any experience on the Hardcross 9? Does the 46t low gear hinder the climbing ability?
i got 150mm rear and front my brother got 140mm rear and 160mm front... is their any difference?
needed to use the same sizewheel size on both bikes for easier comparison.
yo how do you de restrict these mine is slow
When are you guy’s going to get a forestal?
WHERE CAN YOU BUY A HUSKY EBIKE IN THE UK ?
Why are you saying 500watt motors are the most powerful in the Ebike world, maybe in Europe,
In a video about travel, the landing of a jump should be in slow motion, not the flight.
Other than that, great quality video as usual.
It feels like all these bikes don't factor rider weight.
They compare using assumption of 170lb rider. IME, heavier riders need a beefier bike all else being equal.
Need stiffer suspension is all.... Bike makes no difference at a certain level
Loved it!
What about the weight of the rider? Fair enough a good suspenion tune can help you get a better feel from the bike but somethings you just need to step it up to the larger travel bikes to get that better small bump senstivity. Would love to see you guys take some larger 100kg+ guys out on these test as these bike could feel completely different for them.
Depends on where and how you ride!
Great Videos mate
Great bike, fun to ride
Can you but these in the USA yet?
Yes they are at your local Husqvarna motor bike shop. unfortunately we only got limited #'s, and only few of the model line up. basically MC5, MC7, HC7, HC9, EC9, and EC10, which is basically the rock shock package for the lower # in the series, and a Fox shock package in the higher # in the series. with the exception of the SR sun tour on the EC9, as I suspect Rock Shocks could not provide their Boxxer shock that was originally speed out for that bike.
Yes WTF is "down country". Just ride what you have got and adapt your style to suit the bike. Everyone thinks they have the best dog and bike and none of them are wrong.
But E=Mtb²
Great video - That husqvarna pronunciation though...
please as well frame size HC8 /size MC7/size
Have whatever bike you want it’s your choice,
I would like to mix those bike's together to one bike, taking the slackest short chain stay bike and put on the 27,5 wheel's and the thicker fork , but I would like the fork for 29 even with 27,5 wheel's so it gets longer and has option to go mullet,, that would make it even slacker then it is now and put on the best Brakes,,i have levo fsr 29 but it wasn't the bike i wanted i began saving for the previous model that LEVO 6fattie that had 27,5 plus sized Tyres and when it wasn't in the online catalog i pointed to the kenevo with 2,8 tyres it was the cheapest emtb from specialized in 2018/2019 and told the store that I would be happy with any of the bike's just not the one with the ugly green color....a week later I stopped by the store to check if the Bike had come and they Said it's here but you shouldn't be so excited about it,,i started to wonder if it had broken or something in the shipment but no it was the only bike i said i wouldnt be so happy about the one in a very ugly neony kinda yellowish Green color.. they said i could have it six thousand Norwegian thousand cheaper (alot of money) to make me happy..so I got it for 4000 Dollars approximately .now I wanna mullet it and get a dropper on the Brakes is good sram 203mm ! But I want the magura 220mm in the front and move the four piston front caliper to the back where The two Piston caliper is now ,,i dont Think it's really needed but I still want to..and I really want a fat fork..and a dropper I'm tired of riding with too low seat it's so difficult to move up and down so I just left it slammed!
The thing is all the upgrades i want is enough to buy a decent emtb here like the ghost Kato (3300 euro approximately or 34000nok)
Ohh thanks for reading my book of a comment....
Both 👍
The more, 'travel' the merrier!
Debatable
Not much really sadly the e bike that is very heavy adding 30mm of travel won't change much the weight alone renders it irrelevant
I didn't know Husqvarna made a mountain bike!! Seems like they'd be more popular being related to the motocross industry and name brand and all?!
Husqvarna has been making bikes since before they made motorcycles, they have just been keeping them to themselves up there in Sweden. These new e-bikes are actually just slightly different R-Raymon bikes, and the Gas Gas e-bikes are just rebadged R Raymon bikes.
This isn’t a review. It’s a commercial for Husqvarna bikes.
those bikes don't make much sense, IMO the 180mm should have the better brakes, slacker head angle and grippier tires.
Well if they would have had the HC9 rather than the HC8 as it would have been more comparable that way. From a spec point of view the MC7 is the highest end Mountain cross, and the HC8 is the upper middle, HC9 is the high end Hard Cross.
I can barely afford one bike, let alone 6 different bikes for different conditions... Enduro, XC, DH etc... What I want to know is what is the best all-round bike for a tall guy whose skill is less than either of these presenters... I don't want to always have to ride the same places because my bike is 'wrong'... don't box me in...
I have a 2019 mountain cross 6 and find great for climbing and technical down hill. My year was factory 27.5 x 2.6 wheels.
I've been thinking about swapping to an extreme cross, but do I really need too. I don't do big drops or jumps. Thinking now just upgrading the battery to a 630w
@@grantallan8495 Go for a trail bike with travel around 130 to 160 mm front and back. Trail bikes are THE do-it-all bikes you are looking for. You can do XC with them, go enduro and even some DH is not a problem for them. Basically only DH bikes are truly hyper specialized and only good for DH and nothing else. There is only very little difference between a trail and an enduro bike up to the point where even Pros struggle to actually explain the difference. Enduros have a little more travel these days (170 to 180)
27.5 or 29 inch wheel size is pretty much your choice and a sole matter of preference, frame sizing will take care of your body height.
I just bought a 2021 Trek Rail, which according to many reviewers is the perfect do-it-all enduro / all mountain Emtb. Rode it yesterday for the first time, very happy with it.
@@delbarcelona76 Got mine on order, can't wait. Which Rail did you get?
Find the geometry that fits you best, with the motor/battery combo that works for you. Then you can tune the suspension to however and wherever you ride. Spec overload is real. I’m 6’7” (201cm) and picked based on geometry and battery alone. Searched the online stores daily and found a SC Bullit.
Chris: "and the gearing on this bike, I got a 10-52 cassette with a shimano mech"......🤔
Steve: as Chris mentioned I have a slightly more bougie cassette as I have the XT version, but never the less it is the same geat ratio at 10-51... 👍
STEVE FOR THE WIN!!
STEVE: "haha chris, were running shimano today not sram lol!!!! 😂🤣😂🤣😂
So, what you are saying is.. they are the same, but different.
Anything below 750 Watts not worth considering
U don't need, I have a 120 x 120 and do bike parks
can we take a brief moment for the homeless, carelessly resting bike in the corner at 3:15
oops
sliding in dms like: 7:29
Hi
Nice motos
sorry but i have to say this. its not hus-q-varna its husqvarna.
3CM....🤦
TLDR - It depends on where you ride. Long way to go to state the obvious tbh.
I’m so disappointed by the choice to go from a real mountainbike company like Specialized to a shell company who has no knowledge at all about mtb like Husqvarna and just wants a piece of the big fat money cake.
That’s the definition of sellout.
Call me an elitist all you want, but I just can’t enjoy these videos the same way as before.
I even miss complaining about Specialized‘s prices!
The fuck are you talking about? Husqvarna has been making pedal bikes for like 80 years before Specialized was ever a thing, just because you are not aware of something does not make a thing not there. Specialized make great products for sure, but these Husky's are well made, reasonably priced, and there are lots of different options for builds for consumers to chose from.
First