I like both On one hand having sexist Goomba get curb stomped by mario is funny On the other "oh you get to see the sun and have clean air" is great to
Unless a hanging actually occurs there on screen, I don't expect any children to get traumatized by it. I don't think most children will even have any idea what it's for.
Things I know about but didn't include in the video. 1: Hooktail is exclusively referred to with female pronouns, in the original game she was referred to with masculine or none descriptive pronouns until the eventual reveal by Gloomtail that she was female and that seems to be entirely removed. 2: Speaking of Hooktail, one of their lines is slightly changed, not the one you think but still related but I just didn't want to end my video on such a note. Update: New Japanese footage has released, the Goomba scene is changed in Japan too. It doesn't outright change the scene like this new localized script does but it does alter it a fair bit.
I' curious now what Gloomtail will say. While it's nice to just make her female reveal from the start and not shine a light on it, it does risk Gloomtail's dialogue being more boring.
@@rookiewarrior6419 To be fair, the joke of "Oh you thought it was a boy but it was a girl" is really not that funny, especially now. Like I said though, hope they add something else instead so Gloomtail doesn't just say "You beat up my sister" and that's it.
Eh, it's only fair... With how sensitive people got over the years, people would most likely see that with bad judgement, even tho it made sense for the place where the story takes part at.
@@Dark_Mario_Bros. it doesn't really have anything to do with sensitivity I think this is what's said in the japanese version which seems to be what they are changing all of it to
@@professorpengu502 They were literally s*xually harassisng Gombella for laughs in the original, are you sure you don't know why lmfao. I'm don't agree with a lot of these dialogue changes (though a lot of them are quite unsubstantial), but that one was very much understandable.
For everyone who is wondering about the goomba dialogue, here is the original Japanese script translated to English: "Hey, I see you got a cutie with you." "How about playing with us cutie?" "Yeah, you can do better than those 2 fogies." Christinu's reply is, "Wow, you are really forthright. I HATE that type of man. Buzz off." The Goombas say, "Huh. You're really stuck up. You're gonna wish you hadn't said that." So, yeah this particular change was not made for accuracy to the original script.
Wtf but the gasli- I mean the wholesome chungus defense force taught me that woke bs doesn't exist and that changes are only made to match the jp dialogue! Ooaoaah I'm goin insaaane
@@twincherries6698 you are right the "woke bs" only exists in your mind since you seem to have no idea what that means and yes many changes were made to match the japanese ether frog badge for example
Dialogue changes aside, the new Banjo like sounds from the characters, the visual overhaul, the expressions, they are just so beautifully recreated that makes it feel more like a new paper mario rather a remake
@@GabrylMD The edginess isn't the reason people love the writing of TTYD. Sure some lines are a little different, some for better, some for worse, but that doesn't mean this version won't be entertaining
I really wish they just kept everything intact with the original. There's absolutely nothing "offensive" in the OG, and it still shines as a humorous, intelligent game to this day.
I agree! I miss when Nintendo had characters who said mean things. It's like in the old Animal Crossings there were neighbors who were RUTHLESS. But in the new one they're all so cuddly and sweet it makes me sick.
@@simontgamer Yeah, because being abused by creatures in virtual games - a place where some people TRY to escape from bullies and harsh enviroments in real life - is such a fun thing too, right? The original Animal Crossing is still one of my most disliked games of all time, mostly due to the horrible characters. Absolutely hated them and I can't believe people actually defend this too.. Yikes, nostalgia is one hell of a drug.
@@Maubari it all depends on what you're after when it comes to video games. I'm not looking for frictionless "safe spaces" where everything is rainbows and sparkles. But rather worlds that feel real with both lightness and darkness. To each their own. Also In Animal Crossing the whole point is that these mean people eventually become your friends after you get to know them and get over your differences.
A more helpful way of dealing with mean people is to realize who's words you should give power to and not. Instead of burying your head in the sand, demanding to not encounter any negativity in fictional media.. Doesn't sound healthy to me anyway. And if you honestly feel like mean comments from video game characters is "abuse" then I think therapy is what you need and not escapism.
I hpoe thats all, was a bit scared after i heard they changed the goombas but the rest seems inconsequential. Also Nintendo, let bad guys be... bad guys! The sketchy sewer goombas cat calling goombella acted like creeps and got put in there place. I don't see the problem there.
Man I hope they kept a good chunk of the snarky dialogue from the original. I think with this remake Nintendo might be aiming for this new generation of players and so some of the dialogue like the three goombas might be seen as offensive:/ it’s funny though
@@alfredogxr8891 several changes were clearly made to be like the japanese version like the frog badge and the 3 shadows personally I'm fine with either
Seems like they have a problem with the word airhead, because it's been replaced in two different instances now. I wonder why, it just seems like a typical generic insult to me.
Thanks for the comparison video! It’ll be interesting to see how much dialogue has changed across the entire remake vs the original once we get our hands on it, especially given just how much has changed as shown in just the the preview footage. While it isn’t dialogue, I’m actually really surprised they didn’t replace the noose with something else. Surprisingly, the rope of the noose is even animated, although it could’ve been like that in the original game too.
The Sewer Goombas change actually makes Gombella look less capable. They make their snarkey comments and she stands up to them and throws it right back at them. Now she just says "leave Mario alone!" like she's Chris Crocker. Way to empower women🤦
Ok I know the early 2000s was an edgy time for games...but changing dialogue that was from an older game is a problem. Especially since the dialogue is what makes the characters iconic in the original game. I get it, if I were to look at it now I wouldn't give the original game an E rating like it was before. At least an E10+ or even low T with the snarky edgy dialogue especially about the topic of emotional abuse later. I get it, make it E rated approval to nowadays, if you make anything remotely edgy now it can get hit with the rating, but this does take away from what the original game had. Charm.
Right? I really dislike how everything has to be super duper safe nowadays, can't have even the smallest bit of edge or it'll be scrubbed clean, think of the children!! I loved pulpy stuff as a kid, I don't get why people nowadays think kid's stuff needs to be so watered down, not everything needs to be Peppa pig I promise
If you need to increase the rating then do that instead. It's mostly people that played the original or missed out on it that are most interested in playing this anyway.
@@Superluigi881 The thing is Nintendo tried to show the newer generation about how amazing this was in 2004. I guess maybe they think the dialogue in that can be influenced badly in the newer generation. But honestly, I don't see the problem. It teaches kids about heavy topics such as death and abuse. Plus, Rogueport is full of people doing crazy things like mugging and freaking mafia stuff with Don Pianta To me, the game is a full on lesson. There are bad people and crazy shit happens in the world. As much as I hate to say it, it's probably one of the most realistic Mario games to exist. And Mario ain't realistic at all. Heck even the stuff from the OG game is still not even that bad.
I don't think anyone has pointed this out yet, but based on 4:52, it seems like they added an extra segment to the battle theme, making it longer. this is just like what the mario RPG and superstar saga remakes did. that's so cool! it's nice that the battle theme is no longer a 30 second loop anymore; that'll make it way less repetitive.
@@totalradlad yup, just like origami king! I already knew about that, and that's amazing, but finding out that the regular battle theme also has a longer loop is just the cherry on top.
I'm happy people are getting to play this game for the first time, but i just wish they didn't take away some of the dialogue from the original. The Goombas are a example. It shows Goombells sticking up for herself, vs just sticking up for Mario. I loved that aspect of her character because it shows she won't put up with creeps. Also, its ROGUEPORT. Why wouldn't there be creeps? Plus, Koops my boy. The original had him saying what he had to say even if Mario said no. Now its just him waiting there until Mario showed up. You can very easily change the meaning of dialogue if you change some words. A lot of people may not care, but you can change someone's characterization very easily, and not always for the better.
It makes me sad they seem to have renoved all harsh and sexist comments aimed at Gombella. Like "be a good girl" and so on. It felt so real, and so satisfying to beat the dickish characters. Theyre making it feel a bit childish. Hope they dont edit it too much Although I have to admit the new lines are funny as well.
I don't mind it but it was unnecessary, seeing how it was said by the bad guys. You don't have to have the villains be nice to them so I find the change unnecessary. Also , the encounter in the sewers is somehow MORE problematic than the cat-calling because now it comes off like Professor Frankly and Goombella are classist....
@@URFTBOUND4LIFE It's weird because Mario's primary antagonist kidnaps a Princess and keeps her hidden in his dungeon against her will, yet a little cat-calling is apparently where the devs draw the line. Personally I don't think it's a big deal and I'm not gonna whine about "nintendo being woke" or whatever, but it just seems unnecessary considering they're BAD GUYS and bad guys generally are....well, bad.
thanks for the comparison video! i assume the new dialogue is supposed to more accurately reflect the original JP script. I did like the localization though...ah, well. I wonder what else might've been changed. I know so far that vivian's deal has been changed to reflect the original script more accurately.
In some regards it is made to more closely resemble the Japanese script. As far as my knowledge goes everything presented in this video is either entire new scenes exclusive to the remake in general, or "censorship". The most notable scene is the Goomba Trio's dialogue, which in the original game was more or less a direct translation of the Japanese script and is now an original interaction.
So, they want from sexist goombas to... poor goombas ? I understand what they were trying to do, but their solutions seems quite worse. Beeting the shit up of cringy bad people seems more "tame" than beating poople where the subtext describe as poor and ostracized by society... All this seems kinda naive. Also, most dialogue seem shorter ? And more straight to the point ? It seems some flavor texts were lost. Is it to respect better the japanase script ? It just seems less natural.
Don't think so, the original Japanese still kept the creepy goombas for example. The American staff don't care to respect the original script based on that so I have no idea what they're doing. Not to turn this into a dumb "western Vs eastern thing" just saying it how I see it lol
It feels like most of the dialogue was changed to be more... accommodating? There was nothing wrong with letting the catcalling goombas catcall and be assholes when their punishment is that we kill them anyway. Now we're beating up on the homeless and it feels wrong. Hooktail being referred to as a female also caught my eye. In the original Gloomtail revealing she was a chick the whole time caught me off guard and was pretty funny. There's also a dialogue change with Luigi and his bomb-omb partner. Original has him stay with Luigi for the sole purpose of never letting Luigi wear a wedding dress ever again no matter how unlikely that'd happen because the sight of it was so horrifying to him. Now it's him making sure Luigi doesn't... stumble around and trip into people whilst wearing one. Idk man it just seems like most of the dialogue they changed ended up being stale in order to not offend anyone.
I think it says a lot about society where defending yourself against a gang of hooligans who jump you for no reason feels wrong unless they catcall you first in which case it's just desert. I'd also think the revision to the Luigi story makes more sense since every story involves him ultimately saving the day while still making a heap of mistakes along the way and in the original version of that scene it's literally just the Bob Omb not liking Luigi being in a dress and especially now that we live in a world where Luigi wearing dresses is a widespread joke among the entire series it doesn't really stand out at all. Now there's actually something Luigi did wrong and the picture of him in said dress bumbling around in heels is a much more striking visual then, something we just have now.
I’m not sure if they are altering the lines for the sake of matching the Japanese original? I liked the old script fine. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
Some aspects are to remove things added into the original translation that weren't in the Japanese script, but everything in this video does not fall into that category.
Weird that they went through the effort of changing these, and didn’t bother with the GBA Fire emblem toad, they could at least said that its Switch fire emblem or maybe even another game like Peach Showtime (Btw some of the ost is fine but why did they Yoshi New Islandified Frankly theme?)
@@Whispernyan Its in the game, it knows that are melodies of the past, not this world past exactly, but a past, and since it is part of the game it says that somehow we are in the future, the old music and events condensate into this badge, therefore toad has a switch and supports Edelgard
Wonder if ppl liking the banjo voices still will enjoy them after some hours of gameplay. Honestly I would mute it really fast. That's why I think they should have kept the smooth original text noise.
It's more like Undertale if anything, considering primarily only the standard Mario enemies are using actual voice clips, and even then it's only a single sample, and I don't think anyone had issues with Undertale's text noises.
"The Star Points you get will show up there." vs "Yeah, I bet you know, but you get these things called Star Points when you win battles." "Hey, HEY, it's that time again!" vs "Hey HEY, ladies and germs!" "See, the thing is, I've been waiting here in the hope of getting to speak with you." by itself vs the addition of "I have to ask you something, and you can say no, but I'm going to throw it out there." It's like they took a scalpel to the game's personality and sense of flair.
Lets Hope that is not the case. I have seen that the older one of the evil trio doesnt refer as sisters anymore but Shadows instead, so that doesnt point out that they gonna keep it.
@@professorpengu502 It was a very mind blowing concept you wouldnt expect to see to be touched on a Mario game (also Birdo blah blah blah is not the case anymore) I would want to keep, thats all.
All of this but they didn’t change Rawk Hawk’s name lol Although this makes me worried about peach’s questionable scenes since they aren’t afraid of axing cutscenes
@@johnmehlman5195 But what about her stripping naked when she turns invisible? Surely that scene must be gone (I don't want it to be because I like the dark humor butt...sigh...I get why...)
So many children including myself played this game when we were like 7 years old, and problems never arose with the dialogue. I hate how nintendo babys their player base now it is so annoying and seeing it affect my favorite game of all time is very frustrating. Hopefully in the near future, modders will bring back all the original dialogue for emulators, as well as 60 fps support.
@@ScrimmyBunglets they changed the shadow sirens to the three shadows like they are in Japanese and changed the cricket badge to a frog like in the Japanese so it seems like it
@@ScrimmyBungletsyes, it is. The text more closely matches the Japanese script, within reason of making sense to English speakers. You complain of babying, like seriously? You're a child.
@@ChaosLightspeedExcept for the catcalling Goomba trio, for which the original Gamecube English version was already faithful to the Japanese. So they're making it _less_ accurate in order to remove "sensitive" dialogue. Get off your high horse when you're talking about a subject you know nothing about. Your arrogant ignorance is what's childish here.
None of this is that big a deal to me, but I really don't understand the censorship of things like "airhead" "lunatic" etc. Are those words too edgy for a game with a fuckin' NOOSE in the middle of its hub area? Come on, man. I can understand the Goomba trio, I can understand some of the other stuff, but the little words is what really tips me off. At the end of the day it doesn't matter, but it just represents an odd attitude I'm hoping I see less of past the prologue.
"Airhead" might simply have been changed since it'd fit better directed at a dimwitted character, which Goombella isn't. I'd say the new version is an improvement in that regard (although "good girl" reads a little better than "good student" I think). Dunno about "lunatic" though. Maybe it's seen as ableist but if so that is pretty ridiculous.
@@adlaistevenson2623 It was changed in Bowser's dialogue to Kammy as well, which was weird to me as well. Lunkhead isn't really a different term IMO. And they also removed "Loons" so I guess they decided it was ableist.. but that moreso just implies that anyone is referring to mentally challenged people as lunatics offensively in the first place which is pretty airheaded if I do say so myself.
@adlaistevenson2623 I bet you never played the game or play games at all. You keep replying to everyone trying to defend the pointless changes. You're like the activists complaining about Stellar Blade but will never buy the game
@@Deku_1997 Dude, this is the first comment I've made on the remake, and if you had actually read my comment all the way through you would've seen I didn't defend the change of "lunatic". But it's easier being presumptuous and claim things without evidence, isn't it? Stop believing in conspiracies about non-gamers flooding comments sections to enforce some kind of agenda. You look like a lunatic.
What the fuck dude? This is gonna be ultimately pretty minor, but are "Lunatic" and "Crazy" ableist or something now? Peach calls Bowser a lunatic in the damn Mario movie. Between this and Pikmin 1 and 2, I'm really fearful of Nintendo's writing MO in the Switch 2 era...
Crazy? I was crazy once. They locked me in a room. A rubber room. A rubber room with rats. And I hate rats. Rats make me crazy. Crazy? I was crazy once. They locked me in a room. A rubber room. A rubber room with rats. And I hate rats. Rats make me crazy. Crazy? I was c-
I prefer the edgier humor of the original but I think they did their best, all things considered. Having new dialogue at all is kind of a plus when you think about it.
@@ZekeWatsonWe have new dialogue we can consider about their personalities and lore implications. That's always gonna be a benefit. Even if the dialogue is too childish.
I do not know Japanese and beyond the Goomba Trio scene, which I can tell you used to be a mostly direct translation of the Japanese script and is now an entirely original interaction, I don't think it would do much.
@@professorpengu502 It's always "its not a big deal" AFTER it gets changed, but why then change it in the first place? Clearly it was a big deal to them.
@@professorpengu502 That's irrelevant as it shouldn't have been altered to begin with. It's yet another case of pearl clutching wokalizers scrubbing away anything that they deem as problematic. That's all it is.
@@professorpengu502They are minor characters, yes, but they also served as good exposition for Goombella's character as well as the world itself. It shows that Goombella can stick up for herself while also showing the seedy nature of the town they're in. Minor changes like are small, yes, but they set a precedent that it's okay change more small things. And a lot of small changes eventually lead to one big change.
Must say I prefer the original ost, so I’m glad they have a budge to return it to the original one. The new one feels too grand if that makes sense Edit: that’s just my own personal opinion, I just personally prefer the original instrumentation. If you prefer the new soundtrack, that’s totally fine, please keep discussion civil
don't listen to those first two guys I getcha I like what I'm hearing from the new stuff but it can be a little on the "grand" & "overwhelming" side for lack of a better word best example is rougeport me thinks. for a dingy town it's really grand/epic sounding.
this has me worried about how the dialogue involving vivian may have changed. I liked how the original didn't really focus on it at all, because that wasn't what made her an amazing character. the hooktail gender not being a secret is a damn shame, that reveal from gloomtail made me pause and go "wait...hooktail's a girl? that likes feet? the hell?" like it legit stunned me. also the renaming of Shadow Sirens to The Three Shadows. like...why? it worked, they're all girls, pretty sure vivian counts as a siren, just saying. honestly it just feels like they're removing this stuff to be closer to what the japanese version said, however, the script for both english and japanese was written at the same time! It's the reason the english version is full of top tier snark, and says the things it says here there and everywhere. It's a shame that the script is being altered to the degree it is. wouldn't be surprised if mods for jailbroke switch systems came out to either fully replace the script with the original, or at least change back certain things. like hooktail's secret gender, the shadow sirens, the light sexism. i know i'm making a mountain out of a molehill and i'll still love and cherish this game with all my heart, considering its a remake of my favorite video game of all time, but it's just strange how we get amazing additions to the game, but something must be lost damn you edward elric. damn you
It's clear that they're renamed to the Three Shadows because they're bringing back Vivian being trans, like how it was in the Japanese version. Bedlam isn't accepting of it so doesn't refer to Vivian as a siren because Sirens are female. Idk about you, but switching Vivian to being trans like how it was supposed to be is 1000 times better than copy and pasting what was changed for the English version
@@gracklepolp0534 What would be 1000 times better is them just making her a girl like she is. None of that trans garbage, that should've never been in the game from the start. They renamed it the three shadows to not even touch that anymore which good, the last thing we need is stuff like that in a Mario game.
The Spanish version of original game also refers to three shadows. It has always been known that many English-speaking dialogues were censored in the original, so I think it is correct that they have changed it to be as faithful as possible.
Im looking the comments and I think people dont understand the importance of the dialogues compared to the gamecube version. I hope the story still be funny despite of the watered down versions of dialogues. Rogue port is suppose to be a town full of thieves and gangs. When you talked to the NPCs you can understand the kind of struggles they are going through because of the type of conditions they are living in. Enemies also acted acording to the enviroment they are surrounded which in the case of the goombas, makes you understand the dirt of the enviroment rogue port is. Water down the dialogue is like cleaning what is suppose to be feeling dirty. That is what made special the PMttyd on gamecube. I hope those little changes doesnt affect the overall experience with the game as the game itself is a masterpiece and would be a shame for the storytelling experience felt watered down because of those dialogues changes.
When (or if) you do make a chapter two and so forth version of this, I literally ANTICIPATE that first scene with Bowser being shown. Paper Mario TTYD was my literal childhood. I always looked forward to playing the emulation we had of it. And to me, one of the most memorable scenes was Bowser yelling at Kammy Koopa. From what I can remember/details aside, Kammy mentions Petalburg to Bowser (Either about the Crystal Stars or Peach-) and somehow she mentions about how it would be a great place for a picnic. Then I'm pretty sure Bowser gets one of those answer choices, one in which he considers the picnic. After he snaps out of his picnic daydreaming, he yells "AIRHEAD!!!" at Kammy. This always amused me. Bowser is already entertaining enough, but I just really liked that line. And of course I imagined Kammy Koopa as an Airhead candy piece ontop of a broom. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that line. But now, as shown in the trailer. They changed it to "LUNKHEAD!!!" Okay.. What does that even mean? I'm literally not familiar with that word. I know what Airhead means, as an expression. But Lunkhead? Where the heck did they find That-- It's much less amusing and entertaining in my opinion and I truly don't see why on Earth they would change the line. As far as I'm concerned, calling someone and Airhead makes much more sense than calling them a Lunkhead. I don't know if just basically nobody feels the same way as me, or if anyone even realized. But I haven't seen anyone mention it or highlight it in any discussions. I get it's not that big of a deal to most. But this is like one of the only lines I've ever memorized from TTYD, because I enjoyed seeing/reading it.
When the full game releases I do plan on making videos for each chapter complete with the intermissions. As for Airhead, vs Lunkhead they pretty much mean the exact same thing. Idk where you were either literally everyone was talking about the change to lunkhead when the trailer came out. I don't know how you can say calling someone an airhead makes much more sense if you don't even know what lunk head means in the first place. It's actually a far more adequate word in the scene, as Airhead is typically not a serious insult and I know Bowser is a kooky guy but he was definitely trying to insult her with the word.
@@Whispernyan I read a lot of random books, and I do know what airhead means. And then I haven't ever come across the word lunkhead--ever. And I just haven't seen anyone mention airhead to lunkhead yet, that's just me.
In this day and age, so many people get all butthurt over the most insignificant things. Stuff so unnoticeable that it wouldn't even be a problem if the very same people hadn't pointed it out otherwise. Us gamers aren't the ones making problems out of this stuff, we just want to play the game. This may sound exaggerated, but we're being robbed from playing a truly faithful remaster. To be fair, I guess we can only blame the times, and for better or worse, times change.
The dialogue changes aren't great but they were done for obvious reasons. What I don't understand is what was the purpose behind all the changes to the timing and composition of some cutscenes? The hooktail entrance was changed for what seems like no reason and is just not as impactful overall. Why not just keep that stuff the same?
They wanted it to be one more cinematic cutscene instead of small cutscene, pause characters talk, back into cutscene. I do prefer the original to an extent but the remake keeps the castle in shoot while the characters talk about it which is nice to set that up as the ultimate goal of the chapter since you spend so much of the chapter doing random nonsense not directly related to it.
Hopefully they don’t remove too much of the edgy humor. I mean, they kept the noose, so I doubt they are trying to make things too safe. In general though, the game looks awesome. Love the style and the lighting and camera work is very nice. Not sure how I feel about the dialogue sounds and the music yet. I wouldn’t mind an original option like in SMRPG.
No since you seem to have imagined a scenario to be mad about sounds super sensitive "they changed the dialogue of some very minor characters how dare they😭"
@@trunguss I said the characters were minor and I was more saying the reasoning was made up you know "afraid of uptight self righteous overly sensitive social justice warriors" you know as they get mad about a change in dialogue in a video game
@@professorpengu502 That makes more sense. I still don't think the problem is made up though. I think it's okay to be concerned. Some are just louder than others.
Can these pearl clutching wokalizers just do a faithful translation for once? It's a rhetorical question, of course they can't. At least they save me some money.
"Good heavens these wokalizers ruin everything by changing minor character dialogue(clutches pearls dramatically) what will they take from us next" yeah you really shouldn't be talking given how overdramatic you are being
@@Superluigi881 weird how you think it's dramatic to respond to people on a video but yeah I'd say the person unironically using the term "pearl clutching wokalizers" is pretty dramatic
@@professorpengu502 Nah, the original with HD looked objectively better. In this one everything looks wet, like wtf lol it’s so weird. The new one doesn’t have any features either
Well, if there going to change that flying Goomba's lines for just some flirty banter. I wonder what they are going to do when the grenade in chapter 4 gets involved. They'll probably change it to something magic related. I get it, but do they have to tone EVERYTHING down?
Crazy how people overanalyze this stuff and make it so political, modern nintendo just wants to keep everything family friendly bc its the mario brand and they want the game to be rated E. Its lame but it is what it is, not that big of a deal and its not that deep
Real. I don't like some of the dialogue changes, and some of the remixes of the music, but it's not too big of a deal. It's just the whiplash from it being different after playing the original so long. Being so hyped for it could also lead to disappointment. It is what it is. I still prefer the original, but this is still excellent
Unless all these changes are an attempt to make the script closer to the original Japanese (which I doubt) then why even make them? It won’t kill my enjoyment of the game but there’s 0 reason for it.
@@professorpengu502 Bad fictional scrotums with wings cat calls a fictional female scrotum. Oh, the horror. It wasn't a problem two decades ago but perpetually offended pearl clutchers like yourself had to infiltrate the medium.
Gotta say, I don’t care if I get hate, but I’m glad Nintendo took away some of the cringey dialogue it makes this game a lot better. And I don’t care if people say it was charming. It’s not the 2000s aren’t here anymore times have changed.
I'm gonna give the benefit of the doubt and say most of this is just sticking closer to the jp script, but I have a feeling things like replacing "lunatic" were done to minimize controversy lol. Not the end of the world, and it isn't as baffling as the Pikmin changes
The goomba dialogue when you first enter the sewers wouldn't have been a problem if the chang ehad been the original instance. Instead, we have some gung-ho idiots itching for a fight for no reason versus thugs who cat call a girl and get you ready to trounce them for the lady's honor. It's a complete DEI-enforced downgrade on the story. And if that's what they're doing in small parts, it makes me fearful of what else they've changed.
Man people just love to make stuff up to suit their needs and then wonder why stuff like this gets changed. Because apparently sexually assaulting a stranger is A-Ok perfectly normal thing I mean it is a dingy city of course but oh no the Goombas are itching for a fight for no reason how unrealistic and undignified these hooligans are now. Hell I would even argue the new dialogue gives a higher justification for a brawl, in the original Goombelle was completely unaffected by their comments and they only jump Mario because she was being sassy there was no "defending the lady's honor".
"Wah! Wah! They added a joke that's actually funny instead! Wah!" Also fun that you just throw in "I hate things that aren't racist" in there totally at random. You definitely sound very rational.
@@professorpengu502 The original commenter is hoping the dialogue changes aren't present in the JP remake too. If the JP dialogue is changed as well, the Goomba Trio would still be based on the Japanese remake's writing.
I hear a lot of people bashing Nintendo over this, and here I am being like "Didn't Spyro Reignited do the same thing?" Saddly, Nintendo is in a loose-loose situation here. With all the "sensitive" people of sh-"Twitter", they would conplain with the edginess, but changing it would anger purists. That and Nintendo Haters would bash it either way.
Quite a bit of "non-offensive to the everybody community" dialogue changes they made here. But not enough to ruin the spirit of the game at least, so far. Even though I wish they'd just kept everything intact and not change stuff that was never wrong to begin with. I don't really care if they decided to make Vivian the femboy that he is in the original Japanese dialogue for the remake. I'm more concerned about the "Games Journalists" who will somehow spin this change into some sort of a political statement from Nintendo or whatever for the alphabet community or "modern audiences" after the game eventually releases. When in reality, that's just how the character was originally meant to be even back in 2004...
I doubt Nintendo personally cares about any of this but ESRB ratings are far stricter then they used to be. I don't think Nintendo goes out of their way to keep their games E, plenty of their most notable titles are E10+ if not Teen, but keeping re-releases of games to the same rating does seem to be something they adhere to. I've never seen such attentive minute word replacing however, I wonder if they went overboard anywhere they saw fit just so they could keep all the truly weird stuff that really should push the game over the line.
all these ppl thinking nintendo gives af about "woke culture" and isn't just tryna sell a kid's game in a country scared of sex. can you ppl get off the internet for a bit???? 😭😭
I already wanted to emulate this when it was confirmed to be at 30FPS. Definitely going to now that I’ll need to install a mod pack to bring the original dialogue back 😢
No one's going to be modding in the original dialogue either. Firstly Switch modding is pretty limited, anyone with the capabilities to do as such have better projects to be putting their mind to. Secondly, this remake doesn't just edit dialogue it completely revamps scenes, anyone would want to make a dialogue patch would be instantly dishearten by how scuffed it would have to be. Thirdly, majority of the people who actually care about the game enough to mod it, wouldn't bother, not only do they not care about minor dialogue changes, but there are plenty of dialogue changes that were edited to be more in line with the original Japanese script something those types of people are vastly more invested in.
@@Whispernyan uh alright really loading me up with questions here I was going to play TTYD on Dolphin but this remake got announced so I was holding off for it, I like how it looks way more than the retexture I guarantee there’s going to be dialogue fix patches, that’s the first thing most fanbases work on. Every FE game has the same thing, including the Switch games. Yeah the people who work on it are more invested in authenticity to the Japanese text, but a lot of changes weren’t made with that in mind either. TTYD community is insane, they’ll get the original dialogue back and make this a definitive version. Lastly, I don’t know why you care so much what the fuck I do lol
@@dukeminty "I don’t know why you care so much what the f*ck I do lol" You came to a video to tell people your plans, I'm just as allowed to disagree your plans. Secondly, I don't think using FE as a defense is the best thing to be doing. Those games do have shoddy translations at times but those games feature content straight up not appropriate to, really any audience and yet those people seem very keen on keeping them. I'm not usually one to judge but that part of the fandom are just straight up freaks and I sure hope similar people don't exist in this community. But even then that was done as what was put in it's place made the game just completely worse off. The translation mod does make an entirely different product at the end of the day. That is simply not the case here, your experience is not forever tainted from sentences where one word got replaced with a slightly less effective word. And as I mentioned before, so many scenes are entirely reworked a retranslation patch would have to be so barebones it would defeat the point of the project in the first place.
We do know the Shadow Sirens have been renamed to the Shadow Trio akin to their Japanese name and the one snippet of dialogue we've seen from them seems to be addressing Vivian's trans nature.
We do know the Shadow Sirens have been renamed to the Shadow Trio akin to their Japanese name and the one snippet of dialogue we've seen from them seems to be addressing Vivian's trans nature.
Tbh I dont like the new graphics, it looks like one of those super shiny roblox games with a lot of bloom, and I get that its paper mario, but everything being made out of crappy cardboard is just kinda lame to me (btw I have 0 nostalgia for this game, I played it like 3 years ago)
I'm just waiting for someone like Shapiro or TheQuartering to pick up on the Goomba Trio script change and the other small changes and use it to decry Nintendo as "gone woke" (y'know, the usual schtick). Bonus points if Vivian being trans is actually in this version.
Clearly they changed the Goombas hitting on Goombella thing to appease "woke" sensitivities. For that alone, i wont support it by buying this game. You just HAD to make it an issue didnt you Nintendo? Couldnt leave it alone, but here we are
@Whispernyan As a long-time fan for over 20 years and this being one of my favorite games of all time, no. I just have standards, and you don't TOUCH that. I just don't want to support this insane trend of taking things down that are totally normal and okay for the sake of appeasing some whiny weirdos. If that's enough to upset you, my taking issue with that, then you are the one with the problem, my friend. I guarantee I love this game more than any of you. I'd bet my life on that in fact. But this is ridiculous censorship for what is an innocent piece of dialogue. If THAT warrants censorship, I can't help but shudder at what ELSE they felt the need to change. I don't give money to DEI crap and never will. I'll always have the original game on hand. 60 fps and all.
@@stormcutter59 I do doubt it actually. I can't imagine caring about something so artificially that a single un-notable scene being altered is enough to make me completely disown it. I mean really from where I'm standing it looks far more like you care about whatever DEI is more then you do Paper Mario the Thousand Year Door. Also what do you mean "totally normal and okay". That just sounds weird. The scene wasn't supposed to be "totally normal and okay" it was supposed to be off putting. I don't think the action in real life is totally normal or okay either. The new dialogue is totally normal and okay. You can't have it both ways either you like it when media does things that aren't totally normal and okay or you don't. This game has a foot fetish dragon, fully in-tact by the way, is that also totally normal and okay I just don't get the thought process there. What isn't totally normal and okay, if they add woke stuff in it? Lastly, do you not get any sense of hypocrisy of complaining over text in a game and not buying the game over it while getting mad at companies for changing text to appeal to the masses so people don't get mad and not buy the game. Like you're just proving them right.
@Whispernyan Why are you defending censorship and the sterilization of the script? This scene IS meaningless, yet it warranted a removal because of it being "problematic." That's the issue. It's me being told how to consume my media and how I should think about these things. That's the problem with woke stuff. It censors things that aren't actually a problem. This wasn't a problem in 2004 so what changed? Feminism and a DEI partnership with Nintendo. Evidence is pretty clear since this isn't a matter of being faithful to the original Japanese script. It was in there, too. The scene is normal, not because it's right, but because IT HAPPENS! What's the point of censoring a couple Goombas being SLIGHTLY too advancing on Goombella? It happens in real life. The whole point of the scene is to show off her sass and have Mario and her kick their butts for it. What is it about that that's wrong? Can the masses not appeal to that? You're making this a personal thing against me when I've said nothing wrong. It's more like YOU agree with their worldview and don't like me critiquing it. I doubt that's the only thing they've censored in this game. And so I don't much like the thought of playing a sterilized version of the script i fell in love with when I can always play the old one. And you assume too much. I LOVE this game way more than you ever could, and I bet I would beat you in any contest of knowledge with this game any day of the week. This game was particularly special to my growing up. I played it over at least two dozen times in my life, grabbing any and all collectible items I could find, challenge runs, several different builds, all without even using a guide for it. I lived and breathed this game for ages. So it MATTERS to me when they mess with it. I'm not gonna support messing with it for some PC pointers
@@WhispernyanImagine telling a long time fan of this game who poured their heart out explaining why, only for you to tell them that they’re wrong. The person is right on one thing. Why fix something that was never broken to begin with? It may be a small change, but that trickle can become a flood in very little time.
I don't like the new dialog they gave the goomba trio. Doesn't make any sense for why they rag on you for being "surface dwellers" when there's a warp pipe next to them.
Doesn't make any sense? They live in a run down sewer and here come these three well kept rich folk seemingly to them who get to live up on the surface. Ofc they're going to give them trouble, it makes perfect sense. The new dialogue is way better than someone hitting on Goombella for the fifth time.
The goomba dialogue change caught me off guard, didn't expect them to change it
Same here. Kinda miss the catcalling thing they did, but the new diolouge isn't bad either
I like both
On one hand having sexist Goomba get curb stomped by mario is funny
On the other "oh you get to see the sun and have clean air" is great to
@@professorpengu502It’s sexist to show interest in someone of the opposite gender?🫠
@@HeyoChris did you see the dialogue at all nothing would have happened if they "just showed interest"
@@professorpengu502the old one was funnier tbh
So glad they didn’t replace the noose in the port, that needs to traumatize children for years to come
Unless a hanging actually occurs there on screen, I don't expect any children to get traumatized by it. I don't think most children will even have any idea what it's for.
@@roland228 True, but if seeing it as a 9 year old child and figuring out what it was for scared me, it can do that to anyone! Yippeeeee
now how about that toad-shaped chalk outline with the puddle of blood tho
@@GalekC Omga we need that kinda stuff more.
As an Ace Attorney player, I need my crime scenes!
I get the blood stains, but why did they remove the chalk outline? A child isn’t gonna know what that is.
Apparently "lunatic" is a bad word now. Nintendo needs to respect the mentally challenged.
Things I know about but didn't include in the video.
1: Hooktail is exclusively referred to with female pronouns, in the original game she was referred to with masculine or none descriptive pronouns until the eventual reveal by Gloomtail that she was female and that seems to be entirely removed.
2: Speaking of Hooktail, one of their lines is slightly changed, not the one you think but still related but I just didn't want to end my video on such a note.
Update: New Japanese footage has released, the Goomba scene is changed in Japan too. It doesn't outright change the scene like this new localized script does but it does alter it a fair bit.
I' curious now what Gloomtail will say. While it's nice to just make her female reveal from the start and not shine a light on it, it does risk Gloomtail's dialogue being more boring.
The joke is completely ruined.
@@rookiewarrior6419 To be fair, the joke of "Oh you thought it was a boy but it was a girl" is really not that funny, especially now. Like I said though, hope they add something else instead so Gloomtail doesn't just say "You beat up my sister" and that's it.
@@ShyRanger It doesn't risk anything like that, Gloomtail's dialogue was never anything special even with the line about Hooktail
@@rookiewarrior6419 Jokes are funny, that isn't
NOOO they replaced the down bad goombas 😢
Not sure why unless this what they said originally?
Coombas
Eh, it's only fair... With how sensitive people got over the years, people would most likely see that with bad judgement, even tho it made sense for the place where the story takes part at.
@@Dark_Mario_Bros. it doesn't really have anything to do with sensitivity I think this is what's said in the japanese version which seems to be what they are changing all of it to
@@professorpengu502 They were literally s*xually harassisng Gombella for laughs in the original, are you sure you don't know why lmfao. I'm don't agree with a lot of these dialogue changes (though a lot of them are quite unsubstantial), but that one was very much understandable.
For everyone who is wondering about the goomba dialogue, here is the original Japanese script translated to English:
"Hey, I see you got a cutie with you."
"How about playing with us cutie?"
"Yeah, you can do better than those 2 fogies."
Christinu's reply is,
"Wow, you are really forthright. I HATE that type of man. Buzz off."
The Goombas say,
"Huh. You're really stuck up. You're gonna wish you hadn't said that."
So, yeah this particular change was not made for accuracy to the original script.
They sound a little bit creepier in teh japanese tbh
Wtf but the gasli- I mean the wholesome chungus defense force taught me that woke bs doesn't exist and that changes are only made to match the jp dialogue! Ooaoaah I'm goin insaaane
@@twincherries6698 you are right the "woke bs" only exists in your mind since you seem to have no idea what that means and yes many changes were made to match the japanese ether frog badge for example
@@twincherries6698 yes the "woke bs" only exists in your head and many of the changes were to match the japanese like the frog badge
@@twincherries6698 yes that problem only exists in your head and many of the changes were to match the japanese
Dialogue changes aside, the new Banjo like sounds from the characters, the visual overhaul, the expressions, they are just so beautifully recreated that makes it feel more like a new paper mario rather a remake
The original dialogue seems way more edgy and fun.
“Edgy” doesn’t sound like a good thing but you do you boo boo
@@catdatwat9743 At least being edgy is entertaining. Who finds being plain and accommodating entertaining in any aspect?
@@GabrylMD no, it’s not dude it really cringey in the game so womp womp
@@GabrylMD The edginess isn't the reason people love the writing of TTYD. Sure some lines are a little different, some for better, some for worse, but that doesn't mean this version won't be entertaining
leave it to Nintendo to sanitize EVERYTHING
Do you protect all games?
Rescued all life.
I was not expecting to see a Book of Mario reference here
"Regardless of what form you take, you will feel a slow and painful rectum" -Black Box: Book of Mario: Thousands of Doors
"I want to end my father. Him. All"
~Carbon
“Do not worry about the war. There will be cake!”
Have to check it out first time of hearing of it.
I really wish they just kept everything intact with the original. There's absolutely nothing "offensive" in the OG, and it still shines as a humorous, intelligent game to this day.
I agree! I miss when Nintendo had characters who said mean things. It's like in the old Animal Crossings there were neighbors who were RUTHLESS. But in the new one they're all so cuddly and sweet it makes me sick.
@@simontgamer Yeah, because being abused by creatures in virtual games - a place where some people TRY to escape from bullies and harsh enviroments in real life - is such a fun thing too, right? The original Animal Crossing is still one of my most disliked games of all time, mostly due to the horrible characters. Absolutely hated them and I can't believe people actually defend this too.. Yikes, nostalgia is one hell of a drug.
@@Maubari it all depends on what you're after when it comes to video games. I'm not looking for frictionless "safe spaces" where everything is rainbows and sparkles. But rather worlds that feel real with both lightness and darkness. To each their own.
Also In Animal Crossing the whole point is that these mean people eventually become your friends after you get to know them and get over your differences.
A more helpful way of dealing with mean people is to realize who's words you should give power to and not. Instead of burying your head in the sand, demanding to not encounter any negativity in fictional media.. Doesn't sound healthy to me anyway.
And if you honestly feel like mean comments from video game characters is "abuse" then I think therapy is what you need and not escapism.
@@Maubariyou can't get "abused" by fictional characters
Goombella calling Ms Mowz a floozy will probably be changed. The regular use of the word "scumbag" will DEFINITELY be changed.
Why would you think wither of those things would happen?
@@professorpengu502The first one is not language commonly used now.
Floozy i can see being changed because of a change in dialect after 20 years, scumbag however.. ....why?
@@CR1MSONACEcan’t wait for skibidi rizz brothers: toilet Pepe
@@CR1MSONACE updating language to be "modern" doesn't make things better.
Dude this visual upgrade is nuts. Likely the prettiest game ive ever seen. Pulled off on a switch no less
60FPS as well!
@@_DTAppl unfortunately not...
@@TicTacToeCraft Dang… It really did look it though…
You must not play many videogames.
It looks like a bad reshade filter. Why does the grass look like it’s covered in wax lol
I hpoe thats all, was a bit scared after i heard they changed the goombas but the rest seems inconsequential.
Also Nintendo, let bad guys be... bad guys! The sketchy sewer goombas cat calling goombella acted like creeps and got put in there place. I don't see the problem there.
I mean they still are evil they attack you because they think you being there is insulting
Yeah, what, we can't have bad guys in children's games now?
Most of us grew up with Pepe Le Pew. That dude was a perv. This dialog is juvenile especially in comparison.
That’s not going to be all. There’s still chapters 4-8 to have dialog changes.
@@TinyGuy97i mean, attacking you for being a serface dweller seems pretty bad
So they removed the sexiest goombas but they kept the fucking noose?!
No, the noose is actually for murder.
"Sexiest goombas" but gombella is still there?
*sexist
@@professorpengu502 remove the second e.
@@CR1MSONACE I know what he meant I was making a joke
Man I hope they kept a good chunk of the snarky dialogue from the original. I think with this remake Nintendo might be aiming for this new generation of players and so some of the dialogue like the three goombas might be seen as offensive:/ it’s funny though
Its not about appealing to a new generation I think the dialogue was just changed to be more like the japanese version
@@professorpengu502 oh gotcha I didn’t know the original English translation was different from the Japanese version.
@@professorpengu502thats not true. In the japanese version was like that previously. I prefered the previous dialogue
@@alfredogxr8891 several changes were clearly made to be like the japanese version like the frog badge and the 3 shadows personally I'm fine with either
@@professorpengu502not true. The goomba trio in the Japanese version hit on goombella as well.
Why do they need to change stuff? Its not like kids arent learning stuff on the internet now a days
they check the porn like prevoous generations
Seems like they have a problem with the word airhead, because it's been replaced in two different instances now. I wonder why, it just seems like a typical generic insult to me.
Goombella isn't an idiot, Bowser is a brawn over brain type of guy.
They had a problem with lame and crazy too.
I prefer the old dialogue.
Same
Thanks for the comparison video! It’ll be interesting to see how much dialogue has changed across the entire remake vs the original once we get our hands on it, especially given just how much has changed as shown in just the the preview footage.
While it isn’t dialogue, I’m actually really surprised they didn’t replace the noose with something else. Surprisingly, the rope of the noose is even animated, although it could’ve been like that in the original game too.
Also, I think it’s a pity they changed “ladies and germs”. That was rather amusing (and fairly unusual) in the original.
The Sewer Goombas change actually makes Gombella look less capable. They make their snarkey comments and she stands up to them and throws it right back at them. Now she just says "leave Mario alone!" like she's Chris Crocker. Way to empower women🤦
Tbh I don’t think women are begging for goombella to be proper representation of the female community
Or maybe they do idk
Ok I know the early 2000s was an edgy time for games...but changing dialogue that was from an older game is a problem. Especially since the dialogue is what makes the characters iconic in the original game. I get it, if I were to look at it now I wouldn't give the original game an E rating like it was before. At least an E10+ or even low T with the snarky edgy dialogue especially about the topic of emotional abuse later.
I get it, make it E rated approval to nowadays, if you make anything remotely edgy now it can get hit with the rating, but this does take away from what the original game had. Charm.
Right? I really dislike how everything has to be super duper safe nowadays, can't have even the smallest bit of edge or it'll be scrubbed clean, think of the children!! I loved pulpy stuff as a kid, I don't get why people nowadays think kid's stuff needs to be so watered down, not everything needs to be Peppa pig I promise
If you need to increase the rating then do that instead. It's mostly people that played the original or missed out on it that are most interested in playing this anyway.
@@Superluigi881 Thats... everyone.
@@Superluigi881 The thing is Nintendo tried to show the newer generation about how amazing this was in 2004. I guess maybe they think the dialogue in that can be influenced badly in the newer generation. But honestly, I don't see the problem. It teaches kids about heavy topics such as death and abuse. Plus, Rogueport is full of people doing crazy things like mugging and freaking mafia stuff with Don Pianta To me, the game is a full on lesson. There are bad people and crazy shit happens in the world.
As much as I hate to say it, it's probably one of the most realistic Mario games to exist. And Mario ain't realistic at all. Heck even the stuff from the OG game is still not even that bad.
@@Whispernyan I mean I don't think the TikTok or Fortnite kids will be playing it.
I don't think anyone has pointed this out yet, but based on 4:52, it seems like they added an extra segment to the battle theme, making it longer. this is just like what the mario RPG and superstar saga remakes did. that's so cool! it's nice that the battle theme is no longer a 30 second loop anymore; that'll make it way less repetitive.
Seems like there will be different versions of the battle theme depending on the area too, so that’s awesome
@@totalradlad yup, just like origami king! I already knew about that, and that's amazing, but finding out that the regular battle theme also has a longer loop is just the cherry on top.
I wonder how many pieces of dialogue they changed with Dupree's interactions with Goombella...
Little to nothing at all actually
he uses slightly less french that's about it
@@WhispernyanCommon TTYD W
I'm happy people are getting to play this game for the first time, but i just wish they didn't take away some of the dialogue from the original. The Goombas are a example. It shows Goombells sticking up for herself, vs just sticking up for Mario. I loved that aspect of her character because it shows she won't put up with creeps. Also, its ROGUEPORT. Why wouldn't there be creeps? Plus, Koops my boy. The original had him saying what he had to say even if Mario said no. Now its just him waiting there until Mario showed up. You can very easily change the meaning of dialogue if you change some words. A lot of people may not care, but you can change someone's characterization very easily, and not always for the better.
It makes me sad they seem to have renoved all harsh and sexist comments aimed at Gombella. Like "be a good girl" and so on. It felt so real, and so satisfying to beat the dickish characters. Theyre making it feel a bit childish. Hope they dont edit it too much
Although I have to admit the new lines are funny as well.
I don't mind it but it was unnecessary, seeing how it was said by the bad guys.
You don't have to have the villains be nice to them so I find the change unnecessary.
Also , the encounter in the sewers is somehow MORE problematic than the cat-calling because now it comes off like Professor Frankly and Goombella are classist....
@@URFTBOUND4LIFE That's so funny to think about! haha Good point 😂
that dialogue is still in the version in japan
kid named dupree:
@@URFTBOUND4LIFE It's weird because Mario's primary antagonist kidnaps a Princess and keeps her hidden in his dungeon against her will, yet a little cat-calling is apparently where the devs draw the line. Personally I don't think it's a big deal and I'm not gonna whine about "nintendo being woke" or whatever, but it just seems unnecessary considering they're BAD GUYS and bad guys generally are....well, bad.
So... Instead of Goombella shooting down that Goomba trying to riz her up , they decided to make her sounds classist.....
Make it make sense
They made the Goombas classist aswell. But they're poor so it's fine, eat the rich and that.
nah, eat the poor
I mean the other goombas are to
Cat calling nah, insulting the poor 👍
I don't understand why catcalling is removed, it's not even that sensitive
metoo made teasing enough reason to accuse somebody of harrasing
thanks for the comparison video! i assume the new dialogue is supposed to more accurately reflect the original JP script.
I did like the localization though...ah, well. I wonder what else might've been changed. I know so far that vivian's deal has been changed to reflect the original script more accurately.
In some regards it is made to more closely resemble the Japanese script. As far as my knowledge goes everything presented in this video is either entire new scenes exclusive to the remake in general, or "censorship". The most notable scene is the Goomba Trio's dialogue, which in the original game was more or less a direct translation of the Japanese script and is now an original interaction.
@@Whispernyan huh. too bad. i wonder why? it's not like the behavior was being encouraged...
@@corel7966they wanna avoid any and all bad PR, so they're covering all their bases
@@leomassafm160 sorta understandable, but alas! i'll miss it. (and whatever similar cases that may change accordingly)
@Whispernyan actually, now I wonder if the JP script for the remake is the same or if it changed too, like the new translation...
So, they want from sexist goombas to... poor goombas ? I understand what they were trying to do, but their solutions seems quite worse. Beeting the shit up of cringy bad people seems more "tame" than beating poople where the subtext describe as poor and ostracized by society... All this seems kinda naive.
Also, most dialogue seem shorter ? And more straight to the point ? It seems some flavor texts were lost. Is it to respect better the japanase script ? It just seems less natural.
Don't think so, the original Japanese still kept the creepy goombas for example. The American staff don't care to respect the original script based on that so I have no idea what they're doing. Not to turn this into a dumb "western Vs eastern thing" just saying it how I see it lol
What's a fine looking Goomba doing with a tubby mustache like that!?!
Bro, you dare call Mario tubby!? He's just thicc & short!
It feels like most of the dialogue was changed to be more... accommodating? There was nothing wrong with letting the catcalling goombas catcall and be assholes when their punishment is that we kill them anyway. Now we're beating up on the homeless and it feels wrong.
Hooktail being referred to as a female also caught my eye. In the original Gloomtail revealing she was a chick the whole time caught me off guard and was pretty funny.
There's also a dialogue change with Luigi and his bomb-omb partner. Original has him stay with Luigi for the sole purpose of never letting Luigi wear a wedding dress ever again no matter how unlikely that'd happen because the sight of it was so horrifying to him. Now it's him making sure Luigi doesn't... stumble around and trip into people whilst wearing one.
Idk man it just seems like most of the dialogue they changed ended up being stale in order to not offend anyone.
I think it says a lot about society where defending yourself against a gang of hooligans who jump you for no reason feels wrong unless they catcall you first in which case it's just desert.
I'd also think the revision to the Luigi story makes more sense since every story involves him ultimately saving the day while still making a heap of mistakes along the way and in the original version of that scene it's literally just the Bob Omb not liking Luigi being in a dress and especially now that we live in a world where Luigi wearing dresses is a widespread joke among the entire series it doesn't really stand out at all. Now there's actually something Luigi did wrong and the picture of him in said dress bumbling around in heels is a much more striking visual then, something we just have now.
I’m not sure if they are altering the lines for the sake of matching the Japanese original? I liked the old script fine. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
Some aspects are to remove things added into the original translation that weren't in the Japanese script, but everything in this video does not fall into that category.
Is it just me, or has there always been a slight yellow tint at the top of Mario’s hat in the GameCube version of this game?
Weird that they went through the effort of changing these, and didn’t bother with the GBA Fire emblem toad, they could at least said that its Switch fire emblem or maybe even another game like Peach Showtime (Btw some of the ost is fine but why did they Yoshi New Islandified Frankly theme?)
How would the Toad be able to play the Switch Fire Emblem the game isn't set in modern day
@@WhispernyanAdd in a big, complicated time travel plotline that does nothing interesting.
@@Whispernyan What?....ok you know what, ill play along, if its not set in modern time, why is the gamecube badge called ''nostalgic tunes''
@@prismaticseal2553 because it turns on the old soundtrack.
@@Whispernyan Its in the game, it knows that are melodies of the past, not this world past exactly, but a past, and since it is part of the game it says that somehow we are in the future, the old music and events condensate into this badge, therefore toad has a switch and supports Edelgard
Since Super Mario RPG had a classic music option, I bet this would have a classic music option
There is a badge for it
It does, there's a GameCube badge that costs one coin and uses no badge points to equip
@@professorpengu502 Oh?
@@chrange9714 I see
Seems the badge is at the badge shop upstairs outside the Inn at Rogueport. At least from what I could tell from a different video clip.
Wonder if ppl liking the banjo voices still will enjoy them after some hours of gameplay. Honestly I would mute it really fast. That's why I think they should have kept the smooth original text noise.
It's more like Undertale if anything, considering primarily only the standard Mario enemies are using actual voice clips, and even then it's only a single sample, and I don't think anyone had issues with Undertale's text noises.
"The Star Points you get will show up there." vs "Yeah, I bet you know, but you get these things called Star Points when you win battles."
"Hey, HEY, it's that time again!" vs "Hey HEY, ladies and germs!"
"See, the thing is, I've been waiting here in the hope of getting to speak with you." by itself vs the addition of "I have to ask you something, and you can say no, but I'm going to throw it out there."
It's like they took a scalpel to the game's personality and sense of flair.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who feels that way. This is so disappointing
The last 2 still have personality
She bets you know because it was a direct sequel and it works the same, so most players had recently played the other game. That's not true any more.
I just hope you can still break the game with danger mario
Aside toning down the Goombas' dialogue, none of the changes seem relevant. It's pretty much the same things said in a different way.
I lost it when Hooktail appeared at 6:40
Yeah, I know it's sped up, but still
I didn't expect them to change so much dialogue. I just hope they don't change anything relating to Vivian.
Looks like vivian might be written like how she was in the og japanese version
Lets Hope that is not the case. I have seen that the older one of the evil trio doesnt refer as sisters anymore but Shadows instead, so that doesnt point out that they gonna keep it.
@@JoseViktor4099why does it matter?
@@professorpengu502 It was a very mind blowing concept you wouldnt expect to see to be touched on a Mario game (also Birdo blah blah blah is not the case anymore) I would want to keep, thats all.
@@professorpengu502 because in the original JP version Vivian is a man (from Beldams perspective)
That is a lot more than I thought
All of this but they didn’t change Rawk Hawk’s name lol
Although this makes me worried about peach’s questionable scenes since they aren’t afraid of axing cutscenes
Peach still takes a shower on screen so I doubt anything else would be going too far.
Already confirmed, peaches shower scene is intact
@@johnmehlman5195 I saw today!!
@@johnmehlman5195 But what about her stripping naked when she turns invisible? Surely that scene must be gone (I don't want it to be because I like the dark humor butt...sigh...I get why...)
@@binxthebinx6575 we dont know yet
So many children including myself played this game when we were like 7 years old, and problems never arose with the dialogue. I hate how nintendo babys their player base now it is so annoying and seeing it affect my favorite game of all time is very frustrating. Hopefully in the near future, modders will bring back all the original dialogue for emulators, as well as 60 fps support.
Yes they baby people by changing dialogue? I'm pretty sure it's just meant to be the japanese dialogue
@@professorpengu502 has that been confirmed? I don't think that's correct
@@ScrimmyBunglets they changed the shadow sirens to the three shadows like they are in Japanese and changed the cricket badge to a frog like in the Japanese so it seems like it
@@ScrimmyBungletsyes, it is. The text more closely matches the Japanese script, within reason of making sense to English speakers.
You complain of babying, like seriously? You're a child.
@@ChaosLightspeedExcept for the catcalling Goomba trio, for which the original Gamecube English version was already faithful to the Japanese. So they're making it _less_ accurate in order to remove "sensitive" dialogue.
Get off your high horse when you're talking about a subject you know nothing about. Your arrogant ignorance is what's childish here.
None of this is that big a deal to me, but I really don't understand the censorship of things like "airhead" "lunatic" etc. Are those words too edgy for a game with a fuckin' NOOSE in the middle of its hub area? Come on, man. I can understand the Goomba trio, I can understand some of the other stuff, but the little words is what really tips me off. At the end of the day it doesn't matter, but it just represents an odd attitude I'm hoping I see less of past the prologue.
"Airhead" might simply have been changed since it'd fit better directed at a dimwitted character, which Goombella isn't. I'd say the new version is an improvement in that regard (although "good girl" reads a little better than "good student" I think).
Dunno about "lunatic" though. Maybe it's seen as ableist but if so that is pretty ridiculous.
@@adlaistevenson2623 It was changed in Bowser's dialogue to Kammy as well, which was weird to me as well. Lunkhead isn't really a different term IMO. And they also removed "Loons" so I guess they decided it was ableist.. but that moreso just implies that anyone is referring to mentally challenged people as lunatics offensively in the first place which is pretty airheaded if I do say so myself.
@adlaistevenson2623 I bet you never played the game or play games at all. You keep replying to everyone trying to defend the pointless changes. You're like the activists complaining about Stellar Blade but will never buy the game
@@Deku_1997 Dude, this is the first comment I've made on the remake, and if you had actually read my comment all the way through you would've seen I didn't defend the change of "lunatic".
But it's easier being presumptuous and claim things without evidence, isn't it?
Stop believing in conspiracies about non-gamers flooding comments sections to enforce some kind of agenda. You look like a lunatic.
@@Deku_1997 why are you so obsessed with stellar blade?
What the fuck dude?
This is gonna be ultimately pretty minor, but are "Lunatic" and "Crazy" ableist or something now? Peach calls Bowser a lunatic in the damn Mario movie. Between this and Pikmin 1 and 2, I'm really fearful of Nintendo's writing MO in the Switch 2 era...
Tree house are made up of legitimately insane people
My man, those terms have been removed from Mario games for over a decade now. In some regions they can raise the age ratinf
Crazy? I was crazy once. They locked me in a room. A rubber room. A rubber room with rats. And I hate rats. Rats make me crazy. Crazy? I was crazy once. They locked me in a room. A rubber room. A rubber room with rats. And I hate rats. Rats make me crazy. Crazy? I was c-
@@AlphaOblivion7 is there any other instances of that? This is the first time I'm noticing it.
Mario Party Superstars still has "crazy cutters"
eh, "airhead" is now "lunkhead"
Tbf "nobody doesn't start a fight with us" is pretty funny
I prefer the edgier humor of the original but I think they did their best, all things considered. Having new dialogue at all is kind of a plus when you think about it.
holy cope
"actually it's a good thing they made all these worse changes"
:/
@@ZekeWatson Not everyone shares your opinion my guy
@@AlphaOblivion7 Everyone besides consooming pro-censorship fanboys do
@@ZekeWatsonWe have new dialogue we can consider about their personalities and lore implications. That's always gonna be a benefit. Even if the dialogue is too childish.
Can we get one of these comparing original Japanese to the new translation? I feel that would make some changes compared even more interesting.
I do not know Japanese and beyond the Goomba Trio scene, which I can tell you used to be a mostly direct translation of the Japanese script and is now an entirely original interaction, I don't think it would do much.
The fact that they changed the sewer Goombas' dialogue pisses me off.
Why they are extremely minor characters and the new dialogue is still funny
@@professorpengu502 It's always "its not a big deal" AFTER it gets changed, but why then change it in the first place? Clearly it was a big deal to them.
@@AntiRiku okay? Its still really not a big deal the new dialogue is still funny and the characters have like 3 lines overall
@@professorpengu502 That's irrelevant as it shouldn't have been altered to begin with. It's yet another case of pearl clutching wokalizers scrubbing away anything that they deem as problematic. That's all it is.
@@professorpengu502They are minor characters, yes, but they also served as good exposition for Goombella's character as well as the world itself.
It shows that Goombella can stick up for herself while also showing the seedy nature of the town they're in.
Minor changes like are small, yes, but they set a precedent that it's okay change more small things. And a lot of small changes eventually lead to one big change.
All these dialogue changes are worse so far :/
Must say I prefer the original ost, so I’m glad they have a budge to return it to the original one. The new one feels too grand if that makes sense
Edit: that’s just my own personal opinion, I just personally prefer the original instrumentation. If you prefer the new soundtrack, that’s totally fine, please keep discussion civil
It doesn't make any sense.
It doesn't make sense, also this video is about the dialogue not about the music.
I honestly get it, it feels a lot louder than the original. I'm curious to hear more of the tracks but so far prefer the original.
don't listen to those first two guys I getcha
I like what I'm hearing from the new stuff but it can be a little on the "grand" & "overwhelming" side for lack of a better word
best example is rougeport me thinks. for a dingy town it's really grand/epic sounding.
It doesn't make sense lol
this has me worried about how the dialogue involving vivian may have changed. I liked how the original didn't really focus on it at all, because that wasn't what made her an amazing character.
the hooktail gender not being a secret is a damn shame, that reveal from gloomtail made me pause and go "wait...hooktail's a girl? that likes feet? the hell?" like it legit stunned me.
also the renaming of Shadow Sirens to The Three Shadows. like...why? it worked, they're all girls, pretty sure vivian counts as a siren, just saying.
honestly it just feels like they're removing this stuff to be closer to what the japanese version said, however, the script for both english and japanese was written at the same time! It's the reason the english version is full of top tier snark, and says the things it says here there and everywhere. It's a shame that the script is being altered to the degree it is.
wouldn't be surprised if mods for jailbroke switch systems came out to either fully replace the script with the original, or at least change back certain things. like hooktail's secret gender, the shadow sirens, the light sexism.
i know i'm making a mountain out of a molehill and i'll still love and cherish this game with all my heart, considering its a remake of my favorite video game of all time, but it's just strange how we get amazing additions to the game, but something must be lost
damn you edward elric. damn you
I think the three shadows is what they are called in the Japanese version
It's clear that they're renamed to the Three Shadows because they're bringing back Vivian being trans, like how it was in the Japanese version. Bedlam isn't accepting of it so doesn't refer to Vivian as a siren because Sirens are female. Idk about you, but switching Vivian to being trans like how it was supposed to be is 1000 times better than copy and pasting what was changed for the English version
@@gracklepolp0534 What would be 1000 times better is them just making her a girl like she is. None of that trans garbage, that should've never been in the game from the start. They renamed it the three shadows to not even touch that anymore which good, the last thing we need is stuff like that in a Mario game.
@@gracklepolp0534 fair point
The Spanish version of original game also refers to three shadows. It has always been known that many English-speaking dialogues were censored in the original, so I think it is correct that they have changed it to be as faithful as possible.
Even Mario ain't escaping the "remake for MODERN AUDIENCES" crap...
Im looking the comments and I think people dont understand the importance of the dialogues compared to the gamecube version. I hope the story still be funny despite of the watered down versions of dialogues. Rogue port is suppose to be a town full of thieves and gangs. When you talked to the NPCs you can understand the kind of struggles they are going through because of the type of conditions they are living in. Enemies also acted acording to the enviroment they are surrounded which in the case of the goombas, makes you understand the dirt of the enviroment rogue port is. Water down the dialogue is like cleaning what is suppose to be feeling dirty. That is what made special the PMttyd on gamecube. I hope those little changes doesnt affect the overall experience with the game as the game itself is a masterpiece and would be a shame for the storytelling experience felt watered down because of those dialogues changes.
Very well said.
When (or if) you do make a chapter two and so forth version of this, I literally ANTICIPATE that first scene with Bowser being shown. Paper Mario TTYD was my literal childhood. I always looked forward to playing the emulation we had of it. And to me, one of the most memorable scenes was Bowser yelling at Kammy Koopa. From what I can remember/details aside, Kammy mentions Petalburg to Bowser (Either about the Crystal Stars or Peach-) and somehow she mentions about how it would be a great place for a picnic. Then I'm pretty sure Bowser gets one of those answer choices, one in which he considers the picnic. After he snaps out of his picnic daydreaming, he yells "AIRHEAD!!!" at Kammy. This always amused me. Bowser is already entertaining enough, but I just really liked that line. And of course I imagined Kammy Koopa as an Airhead candy piece ontop of a broom. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that line.
But now, as shown in the trailer. They changed it to "LUNKHEAD!!!" Okay.. What does that even mean? I'm literally not familiar with that word. I know what Airhead means, as an expression. But Lunkhead? Where the heck did they find That-- It's much less amusing and entertaining in my opinion and I truly don't see why on Earth they would change the line. As far as I'm concerned, calling someone and Airhead makes much more sense than calling them a Lunkhead.
I don't know if just basically nobody feels the same way as me, or if anyone even realized. But I haven't seen anyone mention it or highlight it in any discussions. I get it's not that big of a deal to most. But this is like one of the only lines I've ever memorized from TTYD, because I enjoyed seeing/reading it.
When the full game releases I do plan on making videos for each chapter complete with the intermissions. As for Airhead, vs Lunkhead they pretty much mean the exact same thing. Idk where you were either literally everyone was talking about the change to lunkhead when the trailer came out. I don't know how you can say calling someone an airhead makes much more sense if you don't even know what lunk head means in the first place. It's actually a far more adequate word in the scene, as Airhead is typically not a serious insult and I know Bowser is a kooky guy but he was definitely trying to insult her with the word.
@@Whispernyan I read a lot of random books, and I do know what airhead means. And then I haven't ever come across the word lunkhead--ever. And I just haven't seen anyone mention airhead to lunkhead yet, that's just me.
In this day and age, so many people get all butthurt over the most insignificant things. Stuff so unnoticeable that it wouldn't even be a problem if the very same people hadn't pointed it out otherwise. Us gamers aren't the ones making problems out of this stuff, we just want to play the game. This may sound exaggerated, but we're being robbed from playing a truly faithful remaster.
To be fair, I guess we can only blame the times, and for better or worse, times change.
Unnoticeable and insignificant, and you're "get all butthurt over" it. Well, at least you're honest.
all changed when some women finally accused a producer and a black person was a victim of the police
The dialogue changes aren't great but they were done for obvious reasons. What I don't understand is what was the purpose behind all the changes to the timing and composition of some cutscenes? The hooktail entrance was changed for what seems like no reason and is just not as impactful overall. Why not just keep that stuff the same?
They wanted it to be one more cinematic cutscene instead of small cutscene, pause characters talk, back into cutscene. I do prefer the original to an extent but the remake keeps the castle in shoot while the characters talk about it which is nice to set that up as the ultimate goal of the chapter since you spend so much of the chapter doing random nonsense not directly related to it.
Vid would have been even better if it compared the changed dialogue to the original Japanese GCN script.
Eh nah
Kinda disappointing they toned down a lot of dialogs.
No it’s not. It’s honestly nice that they did some of the weird dialogue was really cringey and doesn’t age well
@@charlieasalgadosalgado1369 the society didn't age well, we should deal with catcalling and fatshaming
Hopefully they don’t remove too much of the edgy humor. I mean, they kept the noose, so I doubt they are trying to make things too safe. In general though, the game looks awesome. Love the style and the lighting and camera work is very nice. Not sure how I feel about the dialogue sounds and the music yet. I wouldn’t mind an original option like in SMRPG.
There's a badge for changing the ost back to the original games, no information on if that also includes sound effects
Bring back the dead body in that one guy's house!
@@CR1MSONACEAnd Peeka’s bunny ears!
NOA, between Fire Emblem, pikmin and animal crossing have axe so many weird, unneeded adjustments to scripts in the last few years.
Censorship? Again?? SERIOUSLY??? Is Nintendo really THAT afraid of uptight, self-righteous, overly sensitive social justice warriors?!
No since you seem to have imagined a scenario to be mad about sounds super sensitive "they changed the dialogue of some very minor characters how dare they😭"
@@professorpengu502You say they imagined a scenario to be upset about while admitting said scenario was only minor.
Pick one.
@@trunguss I said the characters were minor and I was more saying the reasoning was made up you know "afraid of uptight self righteous overly sensitive social justice warriors" you know as they get mad about a change in dialogue in a video game
@@professorpengu502 That makes more sense.
I still don't think the problem is made up though. I think it's okay to be concerned. Some are just louder than others.
@@professorpengu502You've seen firsthand how many there are.
Why does it look like they spilled water everywhere? The whole world looks wet and shiny for some reason.
Wrapping paper i guess
Wet? Where are you getting wet from?
its resin, added to paper to make it more structurally sound
You’re really mad because the remake looks good? Touch grass. 💀
@@Matt-eh2dy I TRIED. IT WAS ALL PAPER. HELP.
Bro the tutorial was not missing they just put it after
Yeah, I know this is pre release footage
Can these pearl clutching wokalizers just do a faithful translation for once? It's a rhetorical question, of course they can't. At least they save me some money.
"Good heavens these wokalizers ruin everything by changing minor character dialogue(clutches pearls dramatically) what will they take from us next" yeah you really shouldn't be talking given how overdramatic you are being
@@professorpengu502 you're replying to every thread about how it doesn't matter bud.
@@YARGGG_GGIronic that the guy calling others dramatic feels the need to pick a fight with everyone.
@@Superluigi881 weird how you think it's dramatic to respond to people on a video but yeah I'd say the person unironically using the term "pearl clutching wokalizers" is pretty dramatic
Looks like the GameCube version with an HD texture pack remains the best version.
Not really no? This game seems perfectly good
@@professorpengu502 The original with HD and widescreen is even better for sure.
@@115zombies935 no its really not this objectively looks nicer and has features that the original needed
@@professorpengu502 Nah, the original with HD looked objectively better. In this one everything looks wet, like wtf lol it’s so weird. The new one doesn’t have any features either
@@115zombies935 it really doesnt and yes it does have changes like the partner wheel? watch a trailer
I Hope We Can Switch Between The Classic And Modern Music.
*Gamecube badge*
@@CR1MSONACE Where Can I Find That?
@@NintendoGamer648HD It's the first thing in the badge store and costs 1 coin.
Well, if there going to change that flying Goomba's lines for just some flirty banter. I wonder what they are going to do when the grenade in chapter 4 gets involved. They'll probably change it to something magic related. I get it, but do they have to tone EVERYTHING down?
I don’t understand how it’s surprising people that there were dialogue changes, it seemed pretty obvious that this would happen throughout the game
Yeah but people found something to be mad about finally so they are gonna complain no matter how small the problem
@@professorpengu502 yeah unfortunately that’s pretty common these days
It's because of how soft and woke this world is becoming. Can't make a joke of any kind without hurting this new generation of softies 😂😂
@@nathanbyers3049 woke means changes in dialogue now? The fact that you are upset over something so minor makes you seem like the soft one
@professorpengu502 if anything it makes me less offended or soft growing up with this kind of humor. Go be woke somewhere else
Apparently they are making it more in line with the Japanese script
This isn't true.
Whoever told you that lied
False
Crazy how people overanalyze this stuff and make it so political, modern nintendo just wants to keep everything family friendly bc its the mario brand and they want the game to be rated E. Its lame but it is what it is, not that big of a deal and its not that deep
People just don't have anything else going on in their lives
Real. I don't like some of the dialogue changes, and some of the remixes of the music, but it's not too big of a deal. It's just the whiplash from it being different after playing the original so long. Being so hyped for it could also lead to disappointment. It is what it is. I still prefer the original, but this is still excellent
Unless all these changes are an attempt to make the script closer to the original Japanese (which I doubt) then why even make them? It won’t kill my enjoyment of the game but there’s 0 reason for it.
I think the Goomba was one of the more major changes I think they just did that because of how rapey the dialogue was
@@professorpengu502 Bad fictional scrotums with wings cat calls a fictional female scrotum. Oh, the horror. It wasn't a problem two decades ago but perpetually offended pearl clutchers like yourself had to infiltrate the medium.
@@AntiRiku okay so you seem mad chill it's a video game I never said anything should be changed
@@professorpengu502 You implied it was "rapey" which likely means you're in favor of the revision
@@AntiRiku I never said anything should be changed I shared why I think it was and then you got extremely mad it's a video game chill out
Gotta say, I don’t care if I get hate, but I’m glad Nintendo took away some of the cringey dialogue it makes this game a lot better. And I don’t care if people say it was charming. It’s not the 2000s aren’t here anymore times have changed.
for the worse
Did Sweet Baby localise this game? lol
Old vs new !! Old wins because i don't like moskito sounds😅
Gotta love when companies just can't leave things alone. -_-
Always fixing what isn't broken.
Pre Order Cancelled
SIKE
They always sap the personality out of the dialogue with these remakes.
They still have personality
My guy, you've seen a grand total of maybe 5 minutes of the game and it's diologue.
Have fun with your watered down version then, zoomers.
@@KrystalVixen surprised you were able to type that through the tears
@@KrystalVixen stop acting like these remakes killed your grandma, boi
At least the new dialogues is still funny
It still has that same charm the original had
@@Victini862Yep. That’s one of the major strengths of even modern paper Mario games; the dialogue is awesome
I'm gonna give the benefit of the doubt and say most of this is just sticking closer to the jp script, but I have a feeling things like replacing "lunatic" were done to minimize controversy lol. Not the end of the world, and it isn't as baffling as the Pikmin changes
Goomba trio isn't true to JP script.
These alterations are so stupid. Just play the original on Dolphin with an HD texture pack and widescreen patch.
Uh no thanks
The goomba dialogue when you first enter the sewers wouldn't have been a problem if the chang ehad been the original instance. Instead, we have some gung-ho idiots itching for a fight for no reason versus thugs who cat call a girl and get you ready to trounce them for the lady's honor. It's a complete DEI-enforced downgrade on the story. And if that's what they're doing in small parts, it makes me fearful of what else they've changed.
Man people just love to make stuff up to suit their needs and then wonder why stuff like this gets changed. Because apparently sexually assaulting a stranger is A-Ok perfectly normal thing I mean it is a dingy city of course but oh no the Goombas are itching for a fight for no reason how unrealistic and undignified these hooligans are now.
Hell I would even argue the new dialogue gives a higher justification for a brawl, in the original Goombelle was completely unaffected by their comments and they only jump Mario because she was being sassy there was no "defending the lady's honor".
"Wah! Wah! They added a joke that's actually funny instead! Wah!"
Also fun that you just throw in "I hate things that aren't racist" in there totally at random. You definitely sound very rational.
Let's hope that the changes are only for US/UK lmao
I mean why would they change the japanese dualogue? This is based on it
@@professorpengu502Except the Goomba trio.
@@trunguss yes but the 3 shadows and the frog badge are
@@professorpengu502 The original commenter is hoping the dialogue changes aren't present in the JP remake too. If the JP dialogue is changed as well, the Goomba Trio would still be based on the Japanese remake's writing.
I hear a lot of people bashing Nintendo over this, and here I am being like "Didn't Spyro Reignited do the same thing?"
Saddly, Nintendo is in a loose-loose situation here. With all the "sensitive" people of sh-"Twitter", they would conplain with the edginess, but changing it would anger purists. That and Nintendo Haters would bash it either way.
Quite a bit of "non-offensive to the everybody community" dialogue changes they made here. But not enough to ruin the spirit of the game at least, so far. Even though I wish they'd just kept everything intact and not change stuff that was never wrong to begin with.
I don't really care if they decided to make Vivian the femboy that he is in the original Japanese dialogue for the remake. I'm more concerned about the "Games Journalists" who will somehow spin this change into some sort of a political statement from Nintendo or whatever for the alphabet community or "modern audiences" after the game eventually releases.
When in reality, that's just how the character was originally meant to be even back in 2004...
I doubt Nintendo personally cares about any of this but ESRB ratings are far stricter then they used to be. I don't think Nintendo goes out of their way to keep their games E, plenty of their most notable titles are E10+ if not Teen, but keeping re-releases of games to the same rating does seem to be something they adhere to.
I've never seen such attentive minute word replacing however, I wonder if they went overboard anywhere they saw fit just so they could keep all the truly weird stuff that really should push the game over the line.
You are literally trying to make "some wording is slightly different" into "some sort of political statement" right now.
@@Enaronia nah
all these ppl thinking nintendo gives af about "woke culture" and isn't just tryna sell a kid's game in a country scared of sex. can you ppl get off the internet for a bit???? 😭😭
I already wanted to emulate this when it was confirmed to be at 30FPS. Definitely going to now that I’ll need to install a mod pack to bring the original dialogue back 😢
Then why not just play the original game
No one's going to be modding in the original dialogue either. Firstly Switch modding is pretty limited, anyone with the capabilities to do as such have better projects to be putting their mind to. Secondly, this remake doesn't just edit dialogue it completely revamps scenes, anyone would want to make a dialogue patch would be instantly dishearten by how scuffed it would have to be. Thirdly, majority of the people who actually care about the game enough to mod it, wouldn't bother, not only do they not care about minor dialogue changes, but there are plenty of dialogue changes that were edited to be more in line with the original Japanese script something those types of people are vastly more invested in.
@@Whispernyan uh alright really loading me up with questions here
I was going to play TTYD on Dolphin but this remake got announced so I was holding off for it, I like how it looks way more than the retexture
I guarantee there’s going to be dialogue fix patches, that’s the first thing most fanbases work on. Every FE game has the same thing, including the Switch games.
Yeah the people who work on it are more invested in authenticity to the Japanese text, but a lot of changes weren’t made with that in mind either. TTYD community is insane, they’ll get the original dialogue back and make this a definitive version.
Lastly, I don’t know why you care so much what the fuck I do lol
@@dukeminty "I don’t know why you care so much what the f*ck I do lol" You came to a video to tell people your plans, I'm just as allowed to disagree your plans.
Secondly, I don't think using FE as a defense is the best thing to be doing. Those games do have shoddy translations at times but those games feature content straight up not appropriate to, really any audience and yet those people seem very keen on keeping them. I'm not usually one to judge but that part of the fandom are just straight up freaks and I sure hope similar people don't exist in this community. But even then that was done as what was put in it's place made the game just completely worse off. The translation mod does make an entirely different product at the end of the day.
That is simply not the case here, your experience is not forever tainted from sentences where one word got replaced with a slightly less effective word. And as I mentioned before, so many scenes are entirely reworked a retranslation patch would have to be so barebones it would defeat the point of the project in the first place.
Are they going to make Vivian officially trans?! I need confirmation!!!
PLEASEEEEEEE 🥺
I wish but I'm not sure
We do know the Shadow Sirens have been renamed to the Shadow Trio akin to their Japanese name and the one snippet of dialogue we've seen from them seems to be addressing Vivian's trans nature.
PLEASE let's have trans Vivian for the remake I'm BEGGING 🥺
I hope
We do know the Shadow Sirens have been renamed to the Shadow Trio akin to their Japanese name and the one snippet of dialogue we've seen from them seems to be addressing Vivian's trans nature.
@@Whispernyan Oh man, I'd better get the fish and chips ready, cuz there's gonna be PLENTY of conservative salt to go around.
@@hwelse already people complaining about "woke social justice warrior snowflakes"
@@professorpengu502yeah like you. You’ve been on everybody’s case this entire comment section
Definitely not buying the remake!
Tbh I dont like the new graphics, it looks like one of those super shiny roblox games with a lot of bloom, and I get that its paper mario, but everything being made out of crappy cardboard is just kinda lame to me (btw I have 0 nostalgia for this game, I played it like 3 years ago)
It takes getting used to
This ost is kind of garbage. Heres to hoping we can toggle between the new and the old.
There is a badge that looks like a gamecube you can get that does that
@@professorpengu502 confirmed? You the goat
@@Mkj119 it was seen in the last trailer
You can; there is a gamecube badge you can put on that is only 1 coin and switches it back to the original music
@@professorpengu502 just saw it. Apparently the only new badge too!
Oh yay! What exciting changes could come! I wonder. But speaking of that!
ywnbaw
What a sad life you have
Alright, that confirms it. Does anyone else wanna send in the rat plague this time?
I'm just waiting for someone like Shapiro or TheQuartering to pick up on the Goomba Trio script change and the other small changes and use it to decry Nintendo as "gone woke" (y'know, the usual schtick). Bonus points if Vivian being trans is actually in this version.
They really just smoothed out all the edges from the dialogue and made it more plain and 'appropriate'.
Yikes.
Clearly they changed the Goombas hitting on Goombella thing to appease "woke" sensitivities. For that alone, i wont support it by buying this game. You just HAD to make it an issue didnt you Nintendo? Couldnt leave it alone, but here we are
I doubt you were going to buy the game regardless if this is what sets you off
@Whispernyan As a long-time fan for over 20 years and this being one of my favorite games of all time, no. I just have standards, and you don't TOUCH that. I just don't want to support this insane trend of taking things down that are totally normal and okay for the sake of appeasing some whiny weirdos.
If that's enough to upset you, my taking issue with that, then you are the one with the problem, my friend. I guarantee I love this game more than any of you. I'd bet my life on that in fact. But this is ridiculous censorship for what is an innocent piece of dialogue. If THAT warrants censorship, I can't help but shudder at what ELSE they felt the need to change. I don't give money to DEI crap and never will. I'll always have the original game on hand. 60 fps and all.
@@stormcutter59 I do doubt it actually. I can't imagine caring about something so artificially that a single un-notable scene being altered is enough to make me completely disown it.
I mean really from where I'm standing it looks far more like you care about whatever DEI is more then you do Paper Mario the Thousand Year Door.
Also what do you mean "totally normal and okay". That just sounds weird. The scene wasn't supposed to be "totally normal and okay" it was supposed to be off putting. I don't think the action in real life is totally normal or okay either. The new dialogue is totally normal and okay. You can't have it both ways either you like it when media does things that aren't totally normal and okay or you don't. This game has a foot fetish dragon, fully in-tact by the way, is that also totally normal and okay I just don't get the thought process there. What isn't totally normal and okay, if they add woke stuff in it?
Lastly, do you not get any sense of hypocrisy of complaining over text in a game and not buying the game over it while getting mad at companies for changing text to appeal to the masses so people don't get mad and not buy the game. Like you're just proving them right.
@Whispernyan Why are you defending censorship and the sterilization of the script? This scene IS meaningless, yet it warranted a removal because of it being "problematic." That's the issue. It's me being told how to consume my media and how I should think about these things. That's the problem with woke stuff. It censors things that aren't actually a problem. This wasn't a problem in 2004 so what changed? Feminism and a DEI partnership with Nintendo. Evidence is pretty clear since this isn't a matter of being faithful to the original Japanese script. It was in there, too.
The scene is normal, not because it's right, but because IT HAPPENS! What's the point of censoring a couple Goombas being SLIGHTLY too advancing on Goombella? It happens in real life. The whole point of the scene is to show off her sass and have Mario and her kick their butts for it. What is it about that that's wrong? Can the masses not appeal to that?
You're making this a personal thing against me when I've said nothing wrong. It's more like YOU agree with their worldview and don't like me critiquing it. I doubt that's the only thing they've censored in this game. And so I don't much like the thought of playing a sterilized version of the script i fell in love with when I can always play the old one.
And you assume too much. I LOVE this game way more than you ever could, and I bet I would beat you in any contest of knowledge with this game any day of the week. This game was particularly special to my growing up. I played it over at least two dozen times in my life, grabbing any and all collectible items I could find, challenge runs, several different builds, all without even using a guide for it. I lived and breathed this game for ages. So it MATTERS to me when they mess with it. I'm not gonna support messing with it for some PC pointers
@@WhispernyanImagine telling a long time fan of this game who poured their heart out explaining why, only for you to tell them that they’re wrong. The person is right on one thing. Why fix something that was never broken to begin with? It may be a small change, but that trickle can become a flood in very little time.
I don't like the new dialog they gave the goomba trio. Doesn't make any sense for why they rag on you for being "surface dwellers" when there's a warp pipe next to them.
I miss the down bad diolouge, but it's not anywhere close to a deal breaker for me.
i think they changed it to not be cancel by radical feminist
Because they still live underground and you don't? Plus the Goombas in question aren't shown to be super bright
@@le_minecraft_yt2747 or they changed it because that might be what was said in the Japanese version
Doesn't make any sense? They live in a run down sewer and here come these three well kept rich folk seemingly to them who get to live up on the surface. Ofc they're going to give them trouble, it makes perfect sense. The new dialogue is way better than someone hitting on Goombella for the fifth time.