Who cares. Never understood people getting upset because a tv show or movie doesn’t do it exactly 100%, beat for beat the way it was written in the books. Books should be seen as a template, a starting point, not something that needs to be copied word for word. That’s ridiculous.
@@jodythomas4324 who cares? Not you but lot of other do. I understand your point but imagine someone who already read the book and sees the character getting butchered and other people calling it evil for something he didn’t even do in original source, hurts a bit. Daemon is a limitless ambitious mad man but not a wife killer.
@@jodythomas4324Then why bother? Just make Rhaenyra a Pacific Islanders who ride Honda Civic into battle and Daemon a Brazillian Samurai and set the whole thing in 1912 Malayan Strait Settlement then.
This murder felt so unbelievable. I get he can get places faster and easier because he’s on a dragon but I don’t believe he could fly to her land, figure out her exact location out in the wilderness, kill her and fly back on a giant, loud, recognizable dragon and not be detected. It all seemed waaay too easy to me.
Like at that point why doesn’t anyone kill anyone they want if it were that easy. Like daemon can go kill aemond or aegon himself if he really wanted to
For the location, Dragons have better smell than dogs so it’s easy to locate anything if he had one of her belongings. For the rest yes that’s kind of stupid from the writers unless he fled somewhere else and go there at horse, boat feet, but even so it’s not easy to hide a big red dragon
that scene was very awkward in general, I didn't know he didn't kill her in books, but the way it happened in the show felt very out of character and I guess that's why
He knew his wife so he would probably know her routine and where she would be He also left Caraxes hidden away So he clearly knew the terrain of the place so he wouldn't be seen
@@shippendales8543 You’re giving last seaon GOT explanations. He knew the routine of a wife he didn’t care about and hadn’t seen for many years? I don’t buy it. It doesn’t matter if he hid away his dragon, it’s still very unlikely he could have flown in and out with some local seeing him in the sky.
They basically made what I'd describe as "the Hermione" casting mistake. They cast someone actually fairly attractive in the role of a character meant to be awkward or plain. Hard to understand why show Daemon doesn't like his wife, unless it's just a personality clash issue.
Daemon was chilling in the steps stones while Rhanerya was already married. Had given birth to jace and was about or did give birth to Luke that same year. Showed up months after she was dead and was kicked out by lady Jeyne cause he showed up months after. He flew to Driffmark and duel Laena’s bethoted that neither Corlys or laena wanted. And won her hand and left to pentos with her and didn’t come back to Driffmark for 3 years and came back with Laena and their 2 years old twins so he could present his wife and girls in court. He then lived in Driffmark with his girls until laena died 3 days after giving birth to a stillborn son the first month of 120 AC Leanor was killed in daylight in spice town two months later by his former. During this funeral Aemond lost his eye and the fight was Aemond vs Luke and Jace because Aemond beat up Joffrey who was 3 before he left to go claim Vhagar. Daemon moved with his twins with Rhaenrya and 6 months later they married and welcome their first son Aegon III at the end of the year 120 AC. The show made it like daemon kill rhae to marry Rhaenrya. Daemon was chilling on his second exile while Rhaenrya was marrying in KL.
Daemon was not "chillin'" in the step stones. He was fighting a war. Lord Corlys and his family live on DRIFTMARK, not "Driffmark." "The show made it look like..." SIGH. If you have read Fire and Blood, then you should be aware that it was written as an in-universe history book, of sorts. The book itself states, multiple times, that it was written by multiple UNRELIABLE SOURCES who had much reason to skew events to make themselves, or their side (in the dance), look better. GRRM himself has stated that if anything is canon, it's the show, as it represents us watching the events "actually" unfold, so to speak. Take Lady RHEA's death, for instance; the only people present were Daemon and Rhea. We see it in the show because we're watching things happen. It doesn't happen that way in the book because no one writing the book was THERE when it occurred, so they wouldn't know.
@@carastone3473 if you think the show did not even stick to canon timeline or characters ages when they were provide in the book. Those things can not be modified. Also this three version they have done their own spin to most events. Starting with the so call main core friendship/queerbait teenage petty party that they turn Rhaenrya and Alicent’s relationship into
@carastone3473 I really cannot stress to you enough there is a gulf of a difference between: Her horse tripped while she was hawking, she was awake for 9 days and died shortly after rising while Daemon was literally hundreds of miles away ruling a barren kingdom. And Daemon returned to Westeros, flew Caraxes to the Vale, his pyromanaic dragon (yes this is a character trait of Caraxes) did not eat sheep nor burn anything indicating he was present. He found Rhea alone and caved her head in with a rock. And somehow people don't know 100% if it was Daemon. Only one of these can be true.
The books are a 3rd party account by 3 different sources that were nowhere near The Vale to know what actually happened. Most of their accounts is speculation.
For the exact reason, whatever you think happened could be true or something else could be true because it’s speculation so we just don’t know. So if this comment is meant to refute this video, I don’t think it does.
@@aouyiu ther are two canons show canon and book canon and in book canon this clearly wasn´t the case - in book canon we also have Lady stone heart aka Demon Catlyn
To be fair the books are a HISTORY, there are no omniscient narrators and no one who was actually there. It says she fell off her horse and her head was crushed in the fall. That’s an interesting little detail just hanging there. The show took the liberty of filling in those details.
@@Vikstorm George RR Martin even said that the books were history books in the way we have books depicting history. Which could have many different viewpoints on history all valid but none 100% accurate. That's how the show which has George RR Martin as a writer and producer is more accurate than the books. I believe he has even talk about it. But hey i guess you would know more than the author. 😂😂
@@thearchangelmichae01 He said nothing of the sort which is why you don't get a say. You're too dumb. Please just stop talking. Your 50 IQ posts lower the collective IQ of everyone reading these replies.
@@thearchangelmichae01 Let me put you in your place categorically... Books as History Books: George R.R. Martin has described his books as having elements of historical fiction and mentioned that they contain various viewpoints. This is to enhance the narrative complexity and realism. However, this doesn't mean he equates his books to history books in terms of accuracy or suggests they should be seen as less accurate than the show adaptations. Show Being More Accurate: The claim that Martin has stated the show is more accurate than the books is unfounded. George R.R. Martin has not made any public statement that the show is more accurate than his books. In fact, he has been quite clear that while he respects the showrunners' work, the books and the show are distinct narratives with significant differences Martin's Role in the Show: While it is true that George R.R. Martin was involved as a writer and producer in the early seasons of the show, his involvement decreased significantly in later seasons. The showrunners, David Benioff and D.B. Weiss, made many decisions independently, especially in the final seasons, leading to plot developments that diverged from Martin's planned narrative in the books. Different Viewpoints on History: The idea that different viewpoints on history can all be valid but not 100% accurate is a nuanced one. Martin's books are written from multiple perspectives, which can lead to different interpretations of events within the narrative. However, this literary technique is not a commentary on the accuracy of the books versus the show. It’s a narrative style to enhance depth and complexity, not a statement that the show holds more truth. Author’s Authority: As the creator of the series, Martin's books are the original source material. While he respects adaptations, his books remain the definitive version of the story as he envisioned it. Suggesting that the show is more accurate than the books contradicts the nature of adaptations and undermines Martin's role as the primary storyteller. In conclusion, the statement in the post misinterprets Martin’s views and the nature of adaptations. The books remain the most accurate representation of Martin’s story, while the show, despite Martin’s involvement, made many changes and took creative liberties, especially in its later seasons. You're too dumb to form an opinion. You're dismissed.
You have to remember that the book was written as an in-universe history book of sorts…written decades after the dance of the dragons by MULTIPLE UNRELIABLE sources who have plenty of reason to skew events to make themselves or their side look better. GRRM himself has said if anything is canon, it’s the show because it represents us watching the events “actually unfold.” I do wish they’d left in some of the cut scenes…like Daemon comforting his daughters after Laena’s death though.
Exactly. Fire and Blood is the book and even though GRRM wrote it in real life, the way that he wrote it is being told from the perspectives of maesters in Westeros who are documenting their own historic figures many years after these events took place. The maesters themselves weren’t even around these important people or alive when the events took place. They will often get their info according to rumors, propagated records, biased individuals, and their own conjectures from the incomplete sources. They are ultimately unreliable narrators and no one knows for sure how events actually went down.
Because, if we learned anything from the books, it's that a first hand account is always written by an unbiased, omnipotent charcter. It's not like a third of the book is written by a drunk dwarf named "Mushroom" or anything.
The in-universe history books were primarily written by people who were very much pro-Green. They have no reason to depict Daemon in a better light, yet he was. Why is that, I wonder? Especially since they'd be so biased about it?
Not even written by mushroom, his accounts were dictated to another in the latter years of this life many decades after. Though he is a first hand account, which is very very valuable, he was not omniscient.
Often, the writers change something to quickly establish an opinion toward a character. By saying he killed his wife so early in the show, we instantly have a deep dislike & untrusting opinion of Daemon. It saves time in the story telling! It worked.
Same people are complaining but im happy if i read the book i literally wouldnt be watching the show. My imagination is enough. Give us something with a twist.
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 they changed game of thrones ending. So saying its GoT history is pure utter nonsense. George said it himself that the books may be un reliable because “they were written by maesters who werent even there to see what happened”.
@@gat4835In the end Aegon II kills Rhaeneyra but technically still Blacks win, because Aegon II dies too and Aegon III (heir of Blacks) becomes new king. This history is already stated in GoT, so it cannot be changed. All the Targaryens shown in GoT are from Rhaeneyra+Daemon lineage, they cannot change it to Aegon II lineage.
It’s made clear that Fire & Blood is written by scribes (most of whom had no witnesses to events but only rumors and what they BELIEVED happened). The books don’t say that Daemon did or didn’t kill his wife. Some of the gossip is that Daemon was in the Stepstones when Lady Rhae died, and some of the gossip is that he killed her. To be fair, Dragons are the quickest way to travel in this world, so it’s not like Daemon couldn’t get back to the Stepstones quick. And threatening a bunch of people with a dragon to say “Yeah, he was definitely here in the Stepstones when she died” would be pretty easy for any Targaryen. The books don’t outright say “HEY, DAEMON DIDNT KILL HIS WIFE!”. It’s like real history, maybe it’s completely false and only gossip or maybe it was true but it made the wealthiest and most powerful people look bad (The Targaryens) so the scribes (who risk being murdered by a dragon) decided not to paint Daemon in that light. Seriously, the book Fire & Blood leaves A LOT up to your own interpretation, unlike TSOI&F.
Daemon was one of the best Targaryens in the whole song of ice and fire, his adventures and battles are to be remember. Idk why they made Daemon so different in the tv show.
@@MrNinjakid2 it's not all from mushrooms perspective, unless you're saying that maybe this would have been something that mushroom said in his account, in which case that's a maybe, but the book also does make a point of saying that when she died he came back feigning love and care for h er only to attempt to take runestone, so it is entirely possible that he murdered her or had her murdered
Honestly I've been noticing the difference in representation for the male characters vs female. It's like the producers want to show every woman in the best light while showing every man in the worst light. Some of the women in this series had darker sides too but none of that is shown besides some lust I guess
I don't think it's so much that is character was ruined, the fact that the book points out that he only came back to try to inherit runestone does lend some Credence to the fact that he may have had her killed, the fact that she was cognizant for a little bit doesn't mean she would be able to speak about what happened to her (I don't know if this is true but I feel like she was comatose for 9 days, woke up and went to take a walk, and then died, even if she couldn't speak it's possible that she couldn't remember, what happened to her because she had to have suffered major brain damage, which might at least impact her memories of why this thing happened to her) so I wouldn't say the books don't give the theory that Damon killed her and he creedence, they imply it in passing, and you can see where the writers would get their interpretation from, because nothing in this book is really concrete it's a historical document where we don't even know everything that happened
Regardless Daemon is.my fav character and actor in this show. That's for the screenwriter etc to blame . But there won't be a twist if the books and show are the same as it's already known theory wise so it's all good to me as Runestone means nothing against what he is Up to
In the show NO SCENE shown he killed her, we see him with a rock in hand, MABY he just hit her skull with the rock like she hit her head by a rock when she fell from the horse. So... maby in the show, Daemon just "helped" the story from the book. Use your imaginations boyz and girls, don t be so simple when you see a thing
I don’t remember who said this theory but the book is from the perspective of the maesters(how the wrote the history from the perspective of the “ winner”) and the show is what actually happened .
He was definitely cruel enough to kill his wife even though he didnt in the books. He wasnt presented an opportunity to do so but if it came to it he definitely would. If you think otherwise than your just wrong.
Not really, the show REALLY and I mean REALLY, makes daemon more evil and cruel than he is in the books. Yes he despised her, simply because he didn't want to be married to her, she had no love for him not he for her. It was a formality marriage and daemon saw it as a way his brother used to push him away from kings landing. This amongst many things divides the brothers Daemon was in love with a prostitute, who was pregnant with his child. She is forced to leave at sea this pissed off daemon and he leaves to fight at the Trident to let off steam and embarrass his brother by defeating the crab king Then the ship carrying his pregnant love is destroyed by a storm. This pain brings the brothers back together Daemon also doesn't necessarily struggle against the crab king in the books as he's a master of warfare. There's just so many enemies to kill and he tires of killing men who are just desperate. So he calls out the crab king to a 1v1 to end the bloodshed, kills the crab king. And immediately helps the crab kings wounded and shares his armies supplies with them. He wins the people of the Trident over with his compassion not cruelty.
@brentarellano46 what are you smoking bro, half of the things you wrote didn't even happen the way you think it did. For one there is no "Crab King" there was no fighting at the "Trident" Daemon didn't "lose his prostitute lover when her ship was destroyed" there was no " Daemon sharing his supplies with the "Crab Kings" men. Read the books again. Daemon is portrayed about the same as in the books. He's an extremely grey character, and they definitely do not make him more evil and cruelly than he actually was. "REALLY AND I MEAN REALLY." What a joke. CRAGAS CRABFEEDER was a Prince Admiral, and he took over STEPSTONES in the Narrow Sea. The TRIDENT is a river in the Riverlands. Myssaria had a miscarriage and lost the baby, but she survived and became Mistress of Whispers for Rhaenyra. Your last point about Daemon sharing and helping the wounded men of Cragas Drahar is just a fictional fact that you pulled from your ass. Never happened in the books. Also even if they didn't technically struggle as much it still took Daemom and Corlys more than two whole years to defeat Drahar.
@@MR.ZAYI1991 ok, I double checked for my sake, and the only things I got wrong, 1.) only daemons child died in the storm, and it divided daemon and the king 2.) Yes there is no crab king, I used the name for others who don't know the source material and only seen the show 3.) it's called the step stones not the Trident, I confused it with another sea based story, my bad 4.) yes they fought the war of the step stones for 2 years but didn't struggle nor were they desperate as portrayed in the show But I wasn't wrong with saying, Daemon still isn't someone who would murder his wife. Yes he's ambitious but not a monster to those he doesn't need to be to. The only real slimy bad thing he did was groom his niece but even then that's from our modern perspective, in his world it's a smart move to secure future marriage. And possibly he had her husband killed or paid him off to flee/disappear. I don't agree with it but it is what it is.
@brentarellano46 you forgot about your assumption that Daemon won the hearts of the people of Stepstones and shared supplies with them. Also Blood and Cheese where he had one of his grandnephew beheaded in front of the their mother and sibilings. But yeah sure he wasn't cruel nor bad he was an angel.
I think the show plot twist was okay, everyone might disagree but the book version sort of unecesaarry for daemon’s character, like he showed up in Runestone and what? Nothing happened.
Fire & Blood were written from the interpretive POV of an Archmaester who wasn't there. He couldn't know exactly what happened. His telling of her death was also ambiguous. The books are basically Wet nurse stories. The shows are representative of the actual events.
What is most ridiculous is that they don’t even call it simply free creative adaptation. No, they claim that it is very subliminally implied in the books that daemon did it… “if you connect the dots”. Lol. Half asinine and arrogant logic and belief, half convenient excuse to distort and butcher a character for the sake of cheap shock value and views.
It also really comes down to the fact that that woman on the writing team is the biggest incel. For some reason she is projecting all her man hate on Deamon and writing him to be cruel to all the women around him, when that wasnt the case in the books.
Okay let me tamp down on this right now, the murder itself in the show may have been illogically planned, but I can see where the writers got the idea that Damon did it, because even this video calls out the fact that he went back to runestone to try and gain inheritance of the land, which can be interpreted in two ways (either of which could be true depending on your preferences) either he's just a prick who didn't care about his wife and just wants land, or he's a prick who murdered his wife to try and gain her land, and again it is all down to interpretation, this book is not a novel, it's written as a history book with unreliable sources, so as I've said before, depending on your specific interpretation of the text anything said could or could not be Canon, the things we are told are true in the book could not be true, and the things we are told not to pay attention to because they're stupid, could be true, so I mean maybe try to actually understand the source material, before you call someone else arrogant for having a different interpretation of it, you can't really butcher a character if we don't definitively know that character (keep in mind George wrote this book from the perspective of Maesters who are alive hundreds of years after the events they depict, so they just kind of try to cobble together characterizations to fit their agenda) you definitely lose points for insulting someone, I could be wrong in my assessment though, and I would genuinely like to have a conversation with you as to how you came to these conclusions
@@dragansnyder2786then what’s the point of even having the book, your argument works against literally every word written. It was all written way after the fact so none of it could really be true, it could all be lies, but that’s clearly not what Martin was going for. At some point we have to accept what’s written and not cherry pick. The show is an adaption of the books that clearly doesn’t follow it to a T so why argue what’s more right when at this point they are basically two different “timelines”. The “history” books are written that way for immersion not so everyone can make up what happened themselves and say the books are just inaccurate.
@@MarbleIV my point in writing this was not to say that all history should be taken as lies, but the two main sources we have to draw upon in this tale of the dance of dragons, include a horny insane dwarf, and a maester who wants to do everything he can to rehabilitate his image after he sided with the losing party in the war, all of which are written years after the actual events so it is also stated that anyone writing these things may also not remember the events exactly as they happened, I'm not just making up a perspective ,George RR Martin writes in the book himself several reasons why you should take these accounts with grains of salt, so it clearly was what he was going for, he gives us every reason not to trust the people that these Maesters are getting their sources from, this is the reason I'm not so eager to crucify the showrunners for not following the gospel of the book, because I truly believe that the showrunners are trying to make people out of the characterizations we got from the book, and I get being loyal to the book, but when the author tells you that the book was intentionally written as a historical document that has unreliable sources that gives the showrunners a freedom to operate that I actually feel like they're doing good things with (for the most part, I see where they were going with the way Damon murdered his first wife, I just think that could have been done a bit more logically, and I don't know if people crap on the battle scene Matt Damon is a part of in the first season, but I actually feel like this is one of the few times where immense thought armor helps to develop someone's character, because it allows us to see that Damon is a reckless man who wants the gods to strike him down but it never quite works that way,and with that kind of mindset you can understand why he does the things he does, it's the euron greyjoy mentality, "if the gods won't kill me for what I'm doing with my life, they can go suck an egg while l decide to do the worst things I possibly can, and one day maybe someone will be able to call me on it"
@@MarbleIVyou expecting to be told what to think and believe from a book explicitly written as an fanboy trying to piece together the history of something based on the written works of other who were also not their. The book is full of instances where thing boils down to down to “this is what the stories are but we have no evidence that any of them are true but we at least know the outcome”. It’s on you for going in expecting to be told what to think and believe.
The show depicts that he pretended to be fighting against the triarchy while he staged Rhea's death. They didn't show Rhea's 9 days because it drags on the show like other character's long deaths. Remember that the book is written from a historian's perspective over 100 years after the events of the dance of the dragons, meaning that details are lost or warped, while the show is 'objective' (but still has some differences)
@@GuapoJack agreed he’s the man for taming that dragon so young and definitely the most capable in that family. Also I like him a bit more after he showed some remorse for what he did in the S1 finale. Shows he isn’t a complete psycho
He didn’t kill her in the book. Viserys didn’t die of a disease. Rhaenyra and Christin Cole did NOT hook up. Alicent was never Rhaenyra’s friend. Aemond wanted and purposely killed Luke. Read the short story… way better than the trash that’s on HBO!
You guys realize that History of Westeros and Fire and blood are not accurate? GRRM stated many times that history books from ASOIAF universe are written by maesters who did not always have the best source as maestars before them were often writting in favor of the house that ruled at the time. So this might be the truth after all. Given that GRRM is involved in HOTD (more than he was in GOT) and that Daemon is his favorite character, I doubt that he would just let them mess him up! Matt is charming and makes Daemon look less cruel than he actually is. But let’s not forget that after all, he is a Rogue Prince (Rogue by the definition is behavior that is not expected or not normal, often in a way that causes damage), so…
@@Char...... "muh history' cope. Instead of just saying the book and show are separate canons, fans go out of their way to insist Fire and Blood is actually worthless as a source of canon.
@@blinkusfishus2052 it's not worthless as a source it's just something that was written in such a way that it is not completely reliable for the backstabbing political bits, because our main two sources for this civil war include a horny dwarf who is largely considered to be insane, and a maester that the books acknowledge was probably trying to revamp his image after he chose the wrong side, it's not a worthless text for the lower, because we know the larger bits for certain, but we don't know at all for certain and a lot of it is left up for interpretation, and on occasion they do have to find a middle ground between two accounts (because of course multiple writers means that we were given multiple interpretations of certain scenes) as such the book cannot be 100% relied upon because if you were to write everything at the book tells you happens you would have to do certain scenes multiple times with multiple different endings and you would have to try to keep multiple accounts in your head (for example in one account we are told that Helena gets forcibly impregnated in a brothel, another account says that this didn't happen, we are told that she died by falling down on some spikes, and we are given two main answers for why this happened, either she flung herself off the tower onto the spikes because she found out she was pregnant from the brothel incident, or Rhainerya had her murdered/do you begin to see what I mean because they cannot follow this book 100% because to follow this book 100% and write down everything that the book wrote would involve way too many different interpretations of one scene for a casual audience to get ahold of, I will again say it's not a worthless book for the big picture, and it's not even worthless for the smaller stuff, it just requires a lot of interpretation and a lot of finding the middle ground between two dispute accounts, which I think the showrunners have done decently well at for the most part
The book never feels exaggerated or unrealistic. Yes, there are dragons and magic but that's not what i mean. Random shit just happens. People fall off of horses and die, people die of sickness, people die drunkenly riding horses around kings landing. In the show, Daemon quietly goes ALL THE WAY to the Vale and kills her? That's nonsense. That would take months by horse, and people would see and remember the dragon if he flew. Daemon trying to get land and lordship that he didn't earn? That i can believe lol.
I don’t know why it’s so hard for ppl to understand that the books are an INACCURATE written history taken from 3 different sources 2 of which never witnessed any of the events. The book, fire and blood, is supposed to be wrong about a lot of things. The show is giving us the real story of what happened. B
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I hate that when they do a black dirty everyone complains and says otherwise but as soon as a green is mentioned doing something bad he didn’t do on the books it’s cannon
Rhea's death scene in the show is so ridiculous. She just lets Daemon walk up to her and he somehow knocks her horse onto her. They do a lot of cutting to make it hard to see, but Daemon literally just knocks her horse over.
He didn't have sh*t to do with her death, ya'll really shouldn't be pinning evil acts on characters when they aren't even written to BE that bad in the 1st place. 😒 The showrunners & producers are just supposed to ADAPT the source material... not come up with their own damn fan fiction, completely changing the nature of characters wtf.
@@BruceWayne-bg5ej Jorge R R martin literally said that he involved a lot in the tv show producing process so he definitely was fine with the adding so stop acting like it's out of daemon character
@@KabbalahSherry they aren't lol you guys really out of your minds daemon did ton of things in the books way worse than that have you guys forget what he did to helena?
I always thought that what happened in the show was what GRRM intended to happen. The events in the books was from a perspective of mushroom while the show was in pov of the actual characters. Much like Rhaenarya’s sons was obviously not laenor’s sons wherein it is just a rumour in the books.
They’re trying to do to him what they tried to do with Jamie Lannister doing and saying horrible things to make the audience hate them but they just end up making them more beloved somehow.
Idk how many times this needs to be said, but “this wasn’t in the books” is completely irrelevant when discussing HOTD. The books are a retelling/recounting of events from the perspective of a Maester who got his information from several, BIASED, individuals. We don’t know what actually happened and the show is telling us.
The change for the show is fine, they don’t have time to delve into his marriage and to kill her off-screen without a scene with Daemon would have been awkward and confusing.
I think they're going for the anti-hero type of character for Daemon in the show... it seems to be the trend nowadays. In fairness, I think they're doing a good job so far for the "anti" part but we've yet to see the hero part besides him defeating the triarchy.
What makes this series so much better to adapt to the screen than Thrones was that the source material is patchy at best, and was written as a historical text rather than a novel. It’s easily altered and changed with the simple explanation of; “History is Written by the Victor” or “the truth is often in the middle” or some other BS cliche statement 😂
The book is ambiguous about a lot of things. As I recall, yes it makes it seem impossible that he killed her himself but absolutely plausible (and assumed by some) that he hired someone to kill her and make it look like an accident. And he certainly wasn't upset about her death. Even if he did not kill her I would say he was definitely cruel enough to do so.
They're doing a great job of making him more disliked than he was in the book. The book I was a supporter of the Black's through everything, the TV show pretty much has me just cheering for everyone to die
The vibe of the show is what really happened with Martin consulting. The books are apparently unreliable third and fourth hand accounts of what happened from Martin himself
Yeah, I have book and need read it. I believe also he wouldn't do that and I think there is real historical figure a young queen died by accident horseback riding the same away while was with child.
I love how the Blacks love to quote the books when it suits them but when its at odds with their propaganda its _"all biased misinformation by the maesters"_
@@peteperkins3859why would you say that? It's the truth. People love Matt Smith so much they reference the books for his accolades but anything that puts him in a bad light they cite the untrustworthy biases it was written with
@@peteperkins3859 I mean... That's what you should do . Show tries to give all the characters more depth (especially the greens) and make the viewer seriously have a moral dilemma when choosing side.
I think daemon was a lucky man. Like he had luck as his power. He could of even became king. he got into power as a gold cloak and turned them into his personal army. Got glory from a war in step stones. Wife died . Got into marriage w laena and raenyra at the best times. Lol he could of even became king by being heir if he had the ambition to get rid of viserys. He landed all these by litterally doing nothing but taking advantage of his luck.
Sounds like the writers hate Daemon which is moronic since the rogue prince is one the most interesting character and not a one dimensional psychopathic murderer. Didn’t these people learn from their mistakes when they came up with their own interpretation and made such a bad job that everyone now hates Game of Thrones due to the horrible ending.
GRR Martin stated that the books are written from the perspective of a 3rd party who were not there. Meanwhile the show is real source of truth of the story. You're suppose to not believe what is in the book is the true source.
A book and it's motion picture adaption are two different things. I don't understand why people are upset about a series or movie bc it's not the exact same as the book. Bc if it was it would be bering ash
The writing of the murder scene was a total disappointment. I understand that they have a little leeway with the show due to the nature of the source material intentionally giving us conflicting views but this was unbelievable outside of that as people notice when dragons are flying around and this would be even more true in an area like Runestone where dragons are not often seen.
GRRM is heavily involved in the show. Fire and Blood isn't meant to be an accurate story, and the readers are forced to puzzle everything out for themselves. Other than some age related changes, the show is supposed to be the unambiguous story.
@@LordHoth_09 - sure, but the way people talk about it is as if he sought her out and murdered her. He showed compassion. But I get your point...he did strike the final blow
Yes i absolutely agree i blame Sarah Hess executive producer has been cutting his comforting scenes
Who cares. Never understood people getting upset because a tv show or movie doesn’t do it exactly 100%, beat for beat the way it was written in the books.
Books should be seen as a template, a starting point, not something that needs to be copied word for word. That’s ridiculous.
@@jodythomas4324Then come up with your own stories. Oh that’s right, script writers are fucking incompetent writers
@@jodythomas4324 who cares? Not you but lot of other do. I understand your point but imagine someone who already read the book and sees the character getting butchered and other people calling it evil for something he didn’t even do in original source, hurts a bit.
Daemon is a limitless ambitious mad man but not a wife killer.
She openly admitted she hates daemon and likes Aegon and Aegon shouldn’t be judge just by 1 action
@@jodythomas4324Then why bother? Just make Rhaenyra a Pacific Islanders who ride Honda Civic into battle and Daemon a Brazillian Samurai and set the whole thing in 1912 Malayan Strait Settlement then.
This murder felt so unbelievable. I get he can get places faster and easier because he’s on a dragon but I don’t believe he could fly to her land, figure out her exact location out in the wilderness, kill her and fly back on a giant, loud, recognizable dragon and not be detected. It all seemed waaay too easy to me.
Like at that point why doesn’t anyone kill anyone they want if it were that easy. Like daemon can go kill aemond or aegon himself if he really wanted to
For the location, Dragons have better smell than dogs so it’s easy to locate anything if he had one of her belongings. For the rest yes that’s kind of stupid from the writers unless he fled somewhere else and go there at horse, boat feet, but even so it’s not easy to hide a big red dragon
that scene was very awkward in general, I didn't know he didn't kill her in books, but the way it happened in the show felt very out of character and I guess that's why
He knew his wife so he would probably know her routine and where she would be
He also left Caraxes hidden away
So he clearly knew the terrain of the place so he wouldn't be seen
@@shippendales8543 You’re giving last seaon GOT explanations. He knew the routine of a wife he didn’t care about and hadn’t seen for many years? I don’t buy it. It doesn’t matter if he hid away his dragon, it’s still very unlikely he could have flown in and out with some local seeing him in the sky.
Lady Rhea was cute!
Yep, I as well think it's extremely unfair of show Daemon to go about saying his "sheep are prettier" things. They've cast a pretty lovely lady Royce.
No
@leth5540 you need help
They basically made what I'd describe as "the Hermione" casting mistake. They cast someone actually fairly attractive in the role of a character meant to be awkward or plain.
Hard to understand why show Daemon doesn't like his wife, unless it's just a personality clash issue.
@@Michael-uc2pnI think in the book she’s much older and was very cold to him after they marry
They could have gotten along at least even if they weren't happy with their marriage
@@SteveKleinheider how about you stay out on your lane, buddy. That comment wasn't for you, so you could have stayed quiet
@@SteveKleinheider such an immature response. Who hurt you?
@@troyburnex seems like they deleted the comment, what did they say?
@@joelsamuel9771 bro was attacking me for just commenting on what I observed in the video. Like how petty do you have to be for that kind of shit
Daemon was chilling in the steps stones while Rhanerya was already married. Had given birth to jace and was about or did give birth to Luke that same year.
Showed up months after she was dead and was kicked out by lady Jeyne cause he showed up months after. He flew to Driffmark and duel Laena’s bethoted that neither Corlys or laena wanted. And won her hand and left to pentos with her and didn’t come back to Driffmark for 3 years and came back with Laena and their 2 years old twins so he could present his wife and girls in court.
He then lived in Driffmark with his girls until laena died 3 days after giving birth to a stillborn son the first month of 120 AC
Leanor was killed in daylight in spice town two months later by his former. During this funeral Aemond lost his eye and the fight was Aemond vs Luke and Jace because Aemond beat up Joffrey who was 3 before he left to go claim Vhagar.
Daemon moved with his twins with Rhaenrya and 6 months later they married and welcome their first son Aegon III at the end of the year 120 AC.
The show made it like daemon kill rhae to marry Rhaenrya. Daemon was chilling on his second exile while Rhaenrya was marrying in KL.
Daemon was not "chillin'" in the step stones. He was fighting a war.
Lord Corlys and his family live on DRIFTMARK, not "Driffmark."
"The show made it look like..." SIGH. If you have read Fire and Blood, then you should be aware that it was written as an in-universe history book, of sorts. The book itself states, multiple times, that it was written by multiple UNRELIABLE SOURCES who had much reason to skew events to make themselves, or their side (in the dance), look better.
GRRM himself has stated that if anything is canon, it's the show, as it represents us watching the events "actually" unfold, so to speak. Take Lady RHEA's death, for instance; the only people present were Daemon and Rhea. We see it in the show because we're watching things happen. It doesn't happen that way in the book because no one writing the book was THERE when it occurred, so they wouldn't know.
@@carastone3473 if you think the show did not even stick to canon timeline or characters ages when they were provide in the book. Those things can not be modified. Also this three version they have done their own spin to most events. Starting with the so call main core friendship/queerbait teenage petty party that they turn Rhaenrya and Alicent’s relationship into
@@paulabarra5431queen bait? Oh stop. They aren't queen baiting. That's so stupid, but pretty telling that is what your mind interpreted it as.
@carastone3473 I really cannot stress to you enough there is a gulf of a difference between:
Her horse tripped while she was hawking, she was awake for 9 days and died shortly after rising while Daemon was literally hundreds of miles away ruling a barren kingdom.
And Daemon returned to Westeros, flew Caraxes to the Vale, his pyromanaic dragon (yes this is a character trait of Caraxes) did not eat sheep nor burn anything indicating he was present. He found Rhea alone and caved her head in with a rock. And somehow people don't know 100% if it was Daemon.
Only one of these can be true.
@@mattjack3983 "That's the secret, I'm always queerbating." - Bruce Banner turning into Rainbow Hulk circa 2012.
The books are a 3rd party account by 3 different sources that were nowhere near The Vale to know what actually happened. Most of their accounts is speculation.
True, but the show is simply in an alternate reality. Black valeryons...
For the exact reason, whatever you think happened could be true or something else could be true because it’s speculation so we just don’t know. So if this comment is meant to refute this video, I don’t think it does.
Still dumb. Along w the black velaryons which is a sick joke
Also "the books" is actually like a 3rd of a book
@@Commendatoriwhy?
Daemon was trippin. That's one hell of a woman!
He might have. They are history books, we don't know for sure.
people would have noticed if he would have travled hundreds of miles on a fucking dragon
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also she lived for 9 days
@@baronbrummbar8691 yet that's exactly what he did in this show, the same show Martin himself said was canon
@@aouyiu ther are two canons show canon and book canon
and in book canon this clearly wasn´t the case
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in book canon we also have Lady stone heart aka Demon Catlyn
To be fair the books are a HISTORY, there are no omniscient narrators and no one who was actually there. It says she fell off her horse and her head was crushed in the fall. That’s an interesting little detail just hanging there. The show took the liberty of filling in those details.
That is not what the book says. You never read it, or your reading comprehension is below par.
@@VikstormNo need to resort to personal insults.
@@Vikstorm George RR Martin even said that the books were history books in the way we have books depicting history. Which could have many different viewpoints on history all valid but none 100% accurate. That's how the show which has George RR Martin as a writer and producer is more accurate than the books. I believe he has even talk about it. But hey i guess you would know more than the author. 😂😂
@@thearchangelmichae01 He said nothing of the sort which is why you don't get a say. You're too dumb. Please just stop talking. Your 50 IQ posts lower the collective IQ of everyone reading these replies.
@@thearchangelmichae01 Let me put you in your place categorically...
Books as History Books:
George R.R. Martin has described his books as having elements of historical fiction and mentioned that they contain various viewpoints. This is to enhance the narrative complexity and realism. However, this doesn't mean he equates his books to history books in terms of accuracy or suggests they should be seen as less accurate than the show adaptations.
Show Being More Accurate:
The claim that Martin has stated the show is more accurate than the books is unfounded. George R.R. Martin has not made any public statement that the show is more accurate than his books. In fact, he has been quite clear that while he respects the showrunners' work, the books and the show are distinct narratives with significant differences
Martin's Role in the Show:
While it is true that George R.R. Martin was involved as a writer and producer in the early seasons of the show, his involvement decreased significantly in later seasons. The showrunners, David Benioff and D.B. Weiss, made many decisions independently, especially in the final seasons, leading to plot developments that diverged from Martin's planned narrative in the books.
Different Viewpoints on History:
The idea that different viewpoints on history can all be valid but not 100% accurate is a nuanced one. Martin's books are written from multiple perspectives, which can lead to different interpretations of events within the narrative. However, this literary technique is not a commentary on the accuracy of the books versus the show. It’s a narrative style to enhance depth and complexity, not a statement that the show holds more truth.
Author’s Authority:
As the creator of the series, Martin's books are the original source material. While he respects adaptations, his books remain the definitive version of the story as he envisioned it. Suggesting that the show is more accurate than the books contradicts the nature of adaptations and undermines Martin's role as the primary storyteller.
In conclusion, the statement in the post misinterprets Martin’s views and the nature of adaptations. The books remain the most accurate representation of Martin’s story, while the show, despite Martin’s involvement, made many changes and took creative liberties, especially in its later seasons.
You're too dumb to form an opinion. You're dismissed.
You have to remember that the book was written as an in-universe history book of sorts…written decades after the dance of the dragons by MULTIPLE UNRELIABLE sources who have plenty of reason to skew events to make themselves or their side look better. GRRM himself has said if anything is canon, it’s the show because it represents us watching the events “actually unfold.”
I do wish they’d left in some of the cut scenes…like Daemon comforting his daughters after Laena’s death though.
Even ASOIAF is technically skewed because it's based on character POVs, not an omniscient narrator.
Yeah, lots of stuff like this happens in ASOIF threads where people take comments from characters as facts and not their perspective.
People struggle to deal with unreliable narrators.
Exactly. Fire and Blood is the book and even though GRRM wrote it in real life, the way that he wrote it is being told from the perspectives of maesters in Westeros who are documenting their own historic figures many years after these events took place. The maesters themselves weren’t even around these important people or alive when the events took place. They will often get their info according to rumors, propagated records, biased individuals, and their own conjectures from the incomplete sources. They are ultimately unreliable narrators and no one knows for sure how events actually went down.
@@bryanfoster326like renlys army size, which varies depending on what POV u read. Ive noticed these mistakes as well
I think Lady Rhae is really attractive!
Because, if we learned anything from the books, it's that a first hand account is always written by an unbiased, omnipotent charcter. It's not like a third of the book is written by a drunk dwarf named "Mushroom" or anything.
The in-universe history books were primarily written by people who were very much pro-Green. They have no reason to depict Daemon in a better light, yet he was. Why is that, I wonder? Especially since they'd be so biased about it?
Not even written by mushroom, his accounts were dictated to another in the latter years of this life many decades after. Though he is a first hand account, which is very very valuable, he was not omniscient.
Often, the writers change something to quickly establish an opinion toward a character. By saying he killed his wife so early in the show, we instantly have a deep dislike & untrusting opinion of Daemon. It saves time in the story telling! It worked.
I like how they are changing major scenes from books. Hoping that the end will different too
Same people are complaining but im happy if i read the book i literally wouldnt be watching the show. My imagination is enough. Give us something with a twist.
Honestly, that's why I'm not watching the show. I know the ending, and it pisses me off.
They can't change the ending because it's already an established history in GoT.
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 they changed game of thrones ending. So saying its GoT history is pure utter nonsense. George said it himself that the books may be un reliable because “they were written by maesters who werent even there to see what happened”.
@@gat4835In the end Aegon II kills Rhaeneyra but technically still Blacks win, because Aegon II dies too and Aegon III (heir of Blacks) becomes new king. This history is already stated in GoT, so it cannot be changed. All the Targaryens shown in GoT are from Rhaeneyra+Daemon lineage, they cannot change it to Aegon II lineage.
The the show did a very stupid thing. There’s cleverly deviating from the book vs an outright lying!
adaptation
The show was MUCH better
@@TheV8Pumpkinstop the cap
George is indeed a producer and writer so I guess he could do as he likes with his creations 😂😂😂😂
It’s made clear that Fire & Blood is written by scribes (most of whom had no witnesses to events but only rumors and what they BELIEVED happened). The books don’t say that Daemon did or didn’t kill his wife. Some of the gossip is that Daemon was in the Stepstones when Lady Rhae died, and some of the gossip is that he killed her. To be fair, Dragons are the quickest way to travel in this world, so it’s not like Daemon couldn’t get back to the Stepstones quick. And threatening a bunch of people with a dragon to say “Yeah, he was definitely here in the Stepstones when she died” would be pretty easy for any Targaryen. The books don’t outright say “HEY, DAEMON DIDNT KILL HIS WIFE!”. It’s like real history, maybe it’s completely false and only gossip or maybe it was true but it made the wealthiest and most powerful people look bad (The Targaryens) so the scribes (who risk being murdered by a dragon) decided not to paint Daemon in that light. Seriously, the book Fire & Blood leaves A LOT up to your own interpretation, unlike TSOI&F.
Daemon was one of the best Targaryens in the whole song of ice and fire, his adventures and battles are to be remember. Idk why they made Daemon so different in the tv show.
The story is told through "gossip" that this jester is narrating history.
@@MrNinjakid2 it's not all from mushrooms perspective, unless you're saying that maybe this would have been something that mushroom said in his account, in which case that's a maybe, but the book also does make a point of saying that when she died he came back feigning love and care for h er only to attempt to take runestone, so it is entirely possible that he murdered her or had her murdered
So what,
It was gossip that she lingered for 9 days?
It was gossip that Daemon was on the Stepstones as his wife died?
Honestly I've been noticing the difference in representation for the male characters vs female. It's like the producers want to show every woman in the best light while showing every man in the worst light. Some of the women in this series had darker sides too but none of that is shown besides some lust I guess
Foolish writers ruined the characters in House of the Dragon like they ruined the characters in Game of Thrones
Tissue for your tears?
Viseryes is so much better in the show
Do you mfs ever shut up loo
Didn't even watch House of the Dragon when i saw how they butchered the Velaryons.
What they did to Aegon was even worse.
I don't think it's so much that is character was ruined, the fact that the book points out that he only came back to try to inherit runestone does lend some Credence to the fact that he may have had her killed, the fact that she was cognizant for a little bit doesn't mean she would be able to speak about what happened to her (I don't know if this is true but I feel like she was comatose for 9 days, woke up and went to take a walk, and then died, even if she couldn't speak it's possible that she couldn't remember, what happened to her because she had to have suffered major brain damage, which might at least impact her memories of why this thing happened to her) so I wouldn't say the books don't give the theory that Damon killed her and he creedence, they imply it in passing, and you can see where the writers would get their interpretation from, because nothing in this book is really concrete it's a historical document where we don't even know everything that happened
Regardless Daemon is.my fav character and actor in this show.
That's for the screenwriter etc to blame .
But there won't be a twist if the books and show are the same as it's already known theory wise so it's all good to me as Runestone means nothing against what he is Up to
I really just want to see a video of writers discussing how they go about these changes and the logic behind them
In the show NO SCENE shown he killed her, we see him with a rock in hand, MABY he just hit her skull with the rock like she hit her head by a rock when she fell from the horse. So... maby in the show, Daemon just "helped" the story from the book. Use your imaginations boyz and girls, don t be so simple when you see a thing
I don’t remember who said this theory but the book is from the perspective of the maesters(how the wrote the history from the perspective of the “ winner”) and the show is what actually happened .
He was definitely cruel enough to kill his wife even though he didnt in the books. He wasnt presented an opportunity to do so but if it came to it he definitely would. If you think otherwise than your just wrong.
Not really, the show REALLY and I mean REALLY, makes daemon more evil and cruel than he is in the books.
Yes he despised her, simply because he didn't want to be married to her, she had no love for him not he for her.
It was a formality marriage and daemon saw it as a way his brother used to push him away from kings landing.
This amongst many things divides the brothers
Daemon was in love with a prostitute, who was pregnant with his child. She is forced to leave at sea this pissed off daemon and he leaves to fight at the Trident to let off steam and embarrass his brother by defeating the crab king
Then the ship carrying his pregnant love is destroyed by a storm.
This pain brings the brothers back together
Daemon also doesn't necessarily struggle against the crab king in the books as he's a master of warfare. There's just so many enemies to kill and he tires of killing men who are just desperate.
So he calls out the crab king to a 1v1 to end the bloodshed, kills the crab king. And immediately helps the crab kings wounded and shares his armies supplies with them.
He wins the people of the Trident over with his compassion not cruelty.
Do you really think that if Daemon wanted to kill Rhea (in the books), he wouldn’t have an opportunity to do it ? 😭
@brentarellano46 what are you smoking bro, half of the things you wrote didn't even happen the way you think it did. For one there is no "Crab King" there was no fighting at the "Trident" Daemon didn't "lose his prostitute lover when her ship was destroyed" there was no " Daemon sharing his supplies with the "Crab Kings" men. Read the books again.
Daemon is portrayed about the same as in the books. He's an extremely grey character, and they definitely do not make him more evil and cruelly than he actually was. "REALLY AND I MEAN REALLY." What a joke.
CRAGAS CRABFEEDER was a Prince Admiral, and he took over STEPSTONES in the Narrow Sea. The TRIDENT is a river in the Riverlands. Myssaria had a miscarriage and lost the baby, but she survived and became Mistress of Whispers for Rhaenyra. Your last point about Daemon sharing and helping the wounded men of Cragas Drahar is just a fictional fact that you pulled from your ass. Never happened in the books. Also even if they didn't technically struggle as much it still took Daemom and Corlys more than two whole years to defeat Drahar.
@@MR.ZAYI1991 ok, I double checked for my sake, and the only things I got wrong,
1.) only daemons child died in the storm, and it divided daemon and the king
2.) Yes there is no crab king, I used the name for others who don't know the source material and only seen the show
3.) it's called the step stones not the Trident, I confused it with another sea based story, my bad
4.) yes they fought the war of the step stones for 2 years but didn't struggle nor were they desperate as portrayed in the show
But I wasn't wrong with saying, Daemon still isn't someone who would murder his wife.
Yes he's ambitious but not a monster to those he doesn't need to be to.
The only real slimy bad thing he did was groom his niece but even then that's from our modern perspective, in his world it's a smart move to secure future marriage.
And possibly he had her husband killed or paid him off to flee/disappear.
I don't agree with it but it is what it is.
@brentarellano46 you forgot about your assumption that Daemon won the hearts of the people of Stepstones and shared supplies with them. Also Blood and Cheese where he had one of his grandnephew beheaded in front of the their mother and sibilings. But yeah sure he wasn't cruel nor bad he was an angel.
If daemon is like able the audience will want him on the throne. But that’s not allowed. The crowd MUST only like Rhaynera.
Daemon calls her ugly and then the producers puts the most beautiful actress to portray her
I think the show plot twist was okay, everyone might disagree but the book version sort of unecesaarry for daemon’s character, like he showed up in Runestone and what? Nothing happened.
Book Daemon: Harbinger of War
Show Daemon: Scourge of Humanity
Fire & Blood were written from the interpretive POV of an Archmaester who wasn't there. He couldn't know exactly what happened. His telling of her death was also ambiguous. The books are basically Wet nurse stories. The shows are representative of the actual events.
In the show it was implied hard that that Daemon killed her smh why they doing my boy like that idk? We need to speak to the writers
What is most ridiculous is that they don’t even call it simply free creative adaptation. No, they claim that it is very subliminally implied in the books that daemon did it… “if you connect the dots”. Lol. Half asinine and arrogant logic and belief, half convenient excuse to distort and butcher a character for the sake of cheap shock value and views.
It also really comes down to the fact that that woman on the writing team is the biggest incel.
For some reason she is projecting all her man hate on Deamon and writing him to be cruel to all the women around him, when that wasnt the case in the books.
Okay let me tamp down on this right now, the murder itself in the show may have been illogically planned, but I can see where the writers got the idea that Damon did it, because even this video calls out the fact that he went back to runestone to try and gain inheritance of the land, which can be interpreted in two ways (either of which could be true depending on your preferences) either he's just a prick who didn't care about his wife and just wants land, or he's a prick who murdered his wife to try and gain her land, and again it is all down to interpretation, this book is not a novel, it's written as a history book with unreliable sources, so as I've said before, depending on your specific interpretation of the text anything said could or could not be Canon, the things we are told are true in the book could not be true, and the things we are told not to pay attention to because they're stupid, could be true, so I mean maybe try to actually understand the source material, before you call someone else arrogant for having a different interpretation of it, you can't really butcher a character if we don't definitively know that character (keep in mind George wrote this book from the perspective of Maesters who are alive hundreds of years after the events they depict, so they just kind of try to cobble together characterizations to fit their agenda) you definitely lose points for insulting someone, I could be wrong in my assessment though, and I would genuinely like to have a conversation with you as to how you came to these conclusions
@@dragansnyder2786then what’s the point of even having the book, your argument works against literally every word written. It was all written way after the fact so none of it could really be true, it could all be lies, but that’s clearly not what Martin was going for. At some point we have to accept what’s written and not cherry pick. The show is an adaption of the books that clearly doesn’t follow it to a T so why argue what’s more right when at this point they are basically two different “timelines”. The “history” books are written that way for immersion not so everyone can make up what happened themselves and say the books are just inaccurate.
@@MarbleIV my point in writing this was not to say that all history should be taken as lies, but the two main sources we have to draw upon in this tale of the dance of dragons, include a horny insane dwarf, and a maester who wants to do everything he can to rehabilitate his image after he sided with the losing party in the war, all of which are written years after the actual events so it is also stated that anyone writing these things may also not remember the events exactly as they happened, I'm not just making up a perspective ,George RR Martin writes in the book himself several reasons why you should take these accounts with grains of salt, so it clearly was what he was going for, he gives us every reason not to trust the people that these Maesters are getting their sources from, this is the reason I'm not so eager to crucify the showrunners for not following the gospel of the book, because I truly believe that the showrunners are trying to make people out of the characterizations we got from the book, and I get being loyal to the book, but when the author tells you that the book was intentionally written as a historical document that has unreliable sources that gives the showrunners a freedom to operate that I actually feel like they're doing good things with (for the most part, I see where they were going with the way Damon murdered his first wife, I just think that could have been done a bit more logically, and I don't know if people crap on the battle scene Matt Damon is a part of in the first season, but I actually feel like this is one of the few times where immense thought armor helps to develop someone's character, because it allows us to see that Damon is a reckless man who wants the gods to strike him down but it never quite works that way,and with that kind of mindset you can understand why he does the things he does, it's the euron greyjoy mentality, "if the gods won't kill me for what I'm doing with my life, they can go suck an egg while l decide to do the worst things I possibly can, and one day maybe someone will be able to call me on it"
@@MarbleIVyou expecting to be told what to think and believe from a book explicitly written as an fanboy trying to piece together the history of something based on the written works of other who were also not their. The book is full of instances where thing boils down to down to “this is what the stories are but we have no evidence that any of them are true but we at least know the outcome”. It’s on you for going in expecting to be told what to think and believe.
Technically, her arrogance and sheer hate for Daemon is what killed her. Fell off her horse and busted her head, he just sped things up a bit.
The show depicts that he pretended to be fighting against the triarchy while he staged Rhea's death. They didn't show Rhea's 9 days because it drags on the show like other character's long deaths. Remember that the book is written from a historian's perspective over 100 years after the events of the dance of the dragons, meaning that details are lost or warped, while the show is 'objective' (but still has some differences)
My problem with the show is no one is likable. Everyone is either selfish, incompetent, or psychotic
aemond is that mf boy tho
@@GuapoJack agreed he’s the man for taming that dragon so young and definitely the most capable in that family. Also I like him a bit more after he showed some remorse for what he did in the S1 finale. Shows he isn’t a complete psycho
The true queen is great.
@@reidcacaro2919 so basically like game of thrones?
And there is good character like Ranera and her son.
That’s a beauty of it. The characters are grey and sophisticated. That’s a recurring theme with GRRM stories if you haven’t noticed
I think daemon didn’t do it the book but the writers made him do it in the show
He didn’t kill her in the book.
Viserys didn’t die of a disease.
Rhaenyra and Christin Cole did NOT hook up.
Alicent was never Rhaenyra’s friend.
Aemond wanted and purposely killed Luke.
Read the short story… way better than the trash that’s on HBO!
@@pebblesramirez9290 I had no idea! 👍
@@pebblesramirez9290hey buddy George said the books are not 100% accurate bc it’s like a history book
@@pebblesramirez9290for what it’s worth I think the book and the show will have to be different for the sake of television.
You guys realize that History of Westeros and Fire and blood are not accurate? GRRM stated many times that history books from ASOIAF universe are written by maesters who did not always have the best source as maestars before them were often writting in favor of the house that ruled at the time. So this might be the truth after all. Given that GRRM is involved in HOTD (more than he was in GOT) and that Daemon is his favorite character, I doubt that he would just let them mess him up! Matt is charming and makes Daemon look less cruel than he actually is. But let’s not forget that after all, he is a Rogue Prince (Rogue by the definition is behavior that is not expected or not normal, often in a way that causes damage), so…
That sounds like coping my dude...
@@frosty848 no more cope than the “they’re ruining muh fiction for the woke agenda” narrative somehow being tied to these changes 🤷🏽♂️
What part? @@frosty848
@@Char...... "muh history' cope. Instead of just saying the book and show are separate canons, fans go out of their way to insist Fire and Blood is actually worthless as a source of canon.
@@blinkusfishus2052 it's not worthless as a source it's just something that was written in such a way that it is not completely reliable for the backstabbing political bits, because our main two sources for this civil war include a horny dwarf who is largely considered to be insane, and a maester that the books acknowledge was probably trying to revamp his image after he chose the wrong side, it's not a worthless text for the lower, because we know the larger bits for certain, but we don't know at all for certain and a lot of it is left up for interpretation, and on occasion they do have to find a middle ground between two accounts (because of course multiple writers means that we were given multiple interpretations of certain scenes) as such the book cannot be 100% relied upon because if you were to write everything at the book tells you happens you would have to do certain scenes multiple times with multiple different endings and you would have to try to keep multiple accounts in your head (for example in one account we are told that Helena gets forcibly impregnated in a brothel, another account says that this didn't happen, we are told that she died by falling down on some spikes, and we are given two main answers for why this happened, either she flung herself off the tower onto the spikes because she found out she was pregnant from the brothel incident, or Rhainerya had her murdered/do you begin to see what I mean because they cannot follow this book 100% because to follow this book 100% and write down everything that the book wrote would involve way too many different interpretations of one scene for a casual audience to get ahold of, I will again say it's not a worthless book for the big picture, and it's not even worthless for the smaller stuff, it just requires a lot of interpretation and a lot of finding the middle ground between two dispute accounts, which I think the showrunners have done decently well at for the most part
Even in the show....she did it to herself
The book never feels exaggerated or unrealistic. Yes, there are dragons and magic but that's not what i mean. Random shit just happens. People fall off of horses and die, people die of sickness, people die drunkenly riding horses around kings landing.
In the show, Daemon quietly goes ALL THE WAY to the Vale and kills her? That's nonsense. That would take months by horse, and people would see and remember the dragon if he flew.
Daemon trying to get land and lordship that he didn't earn? That i can believe lol.
He was that cruel and evil. But murdering his wife might have had made her inheritance even harder to get.
Who is surprised? they added scenes just to "point out" domestic violences, like the abortion scnes in season 1
Story in the book
Story in the show
But the important is, good telling story must be told
The book is from the pov of a measter, meaning we have no clue if the show tells it true or if she just happened to fall
I don’t know why it’s so hard for ppl to understand that the books are an INACCURATE written history taken from 3 different sources 2 of which never witnessed any of the events. The book, fire and blood, is supposed to be wrong about a lot of things. The show is giving us the real story of what happened. B
I hate the fact that they are changing the plot completely just so they make it easier on themselves.
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I hate that when they do a black dirty everyone complains and says otherwise but as soon as a green is mentioned doing something bad he didn’t do on the books it’s cannon
Its weird in that in a vast cast of morally grey characters, Daemon is almost always shown to be villianous in the show.
Rhea's death scene in the show is so ridiculous. She just lets Daemon walk up to her and he somehow knocks her horse onto her. They do a lot of cutting to make it hard to see, but Daemon literally just knocks her horse over.
stop acting like he wouldn't do it if he could that little change wasn't out of his character
Stop adding things that the character didn’t do in the books and it’s clear fact
He didn't have sh*t to do with her death, ya'll really shouldn't be pinning evil acts on characters when they aren't even written to BE that bad in the 1st place. 😒 The showrunners & producers are just supposed to ADAPT the source material... not come up with their own damn fan fiction, completely changing the nature of characters wtf.
@@BruceWayne-bg5ej
Jorge R R martin literally said that he involved a lot in the tv show producing process so he definitely was fine with the adding so stop acting like it's out of daemon character
@@KabbalahSherry
they aren't lol you guys really out of your minds daemon did ton of things in the books way worse than that have you guys forget what he did to helena?
@@KabbalahSherry
everything was added had been approved by the author
Hes a savage in the show
People with deadly head injuries usually don't say much
I always thought that what happened in the show was what GRRM intended to happen. The events in the books was from a perspective of mushroom while the show was in pov of the actual characters. Much like Rhaenarya’s sons was obviously not laenor’s sons wherein it is just a rumour in the books.
In fact, they have said the show is facts, and the book is information from a maester after the facts and a another guy named mushroom
Eso es cierto se alejan de los libros, como toda adaptación cinematográfica.
The Murder Cloak has become iconic, though… 😂
But, I agree with the everyone here. I don’t like many of the changes made to the storyline.
They needed a new Jamie Lannister, so they made one.
So far Tv show Daemon has been far more focused on somehow getting to the throne. Will In the book his behavior has been left more to speculation.
They’re trying to do to him what they tried to do with Jamie Lannister doing and saying horrible things to make the audience hate them but they just end up making them more beloved somehow.
I cannot forgive Daemon for this sin, but I am still with Team Black because of him. 🤧
If he had been nice and making babies with her she wouldn’t have died so you can still blame him like I do 😅
Idk how many times this needs to be said, but “this wasn’t in the books” is completely irrelevant when discussing HOTD. The books are a retelling/recounting of events from the perspective of a Maester who got his information from several, BIASED, individuals. We don’t know what actually happened and the show is telling us.
The change for the show is fine, they don’t have time to delve into his marriage and to kill her off-screen without a scene with Daemon would have been awkward and confusing.
I think they're going for the anti-hero type of character for Daemon in the show... it seems to be the trend nowadays. In fairness, I think they're doing a good job so far for the "anti" part but we've yet to see the hero part besides him defeating the triarchy.
This is based on the historical success of the inherit of Burgundy
What makes this series so much better to adapt to the screen than Thrones was that the source material is patchy at best, and was written as a historical text rather than a novel. It’s easily altered and changed with the simple explanation of; “History is Written by the Victor” or “the truth is often in the middle” or some other BS cliche statement 😂
George said that the show is of what actually happened
The book is ambiguous about a lot of things. As I recall, yes it makes it seem impossible that he killed her himself but absolutely plausible (and assumed by some) that he hired someone to kill her and make it look like an accident. And he certainly wasn't upset about her death. Even if he did not kill her I would say he was definitely cruel enough to do so.
Daemon is a very grey character..he’s not that evil. No props to execs for not following the book
They're doing a great job of making him more disliked than he was in the book. The book I was a supporter of the Black's through everything, the TV show pretty much has me just cheering for everyone to die
He also didn’t win the war of the step stones lol
Velaryons are not black either
@@svenshrempfit’s all fantasy. Nobody cares
@@DSTRAZ98 you cared enough to reply 🤔
@@svenshrempf to point out how goofy you look crying about the race FICTIONAL characters
@@DSTRAZ98 nobody cares he said, but came to cry over it
The vibe of the show is what really happened with Martin consulting. The books are apparently unreliable third and fourth hand accounts of what happened from Martin himself
If he wasn’t such a narcissist, he could’ve had a kid by her
She sucked so hard in the show, literally paralyzed herself, total unforced error and Daemon was just putting her out of her misery
She was poisoned by her enemies..
Yeah, I have book and need read it. I believe also he wouldn't do that and I think there is real historical figure a young queen died by accident horseback riding the same away while was with child.
I love how the Blacks love to quote the books when it suits them but when its at odds with their propaganda its _"all biased misinformation by the maesters"_
GRRM is too complicated for you. Maybe you should stick with Tolkien.
Sounds like cope bro @@peteperkins3859
@@peteperkins3859why would you say that? It's the truth. People love Matt Smith so much they reference the books for his accolades but anything that puts him in a bad light they cite the untrustworthy biases it was written with
@@peteperkins3859 I mean... That's what you should do . Show tries to give all the characters more depth (especially the greens) and make the viewer seriously have a moral dilemma when choosing side.
Whatcha mean blacks? 🤔
Stepstone
No one can ride harder than a horse woman.
I think daemon was a lucky man. Like he had luck as his power. He could of even became king. he got into power as a gold cloak and turned them into his personal army. Got glory from a war in step stones. Wife died . Got into marriage w laena and raenyra at the best times. Lol he could of even became king by being heir if he had the ambition to get rid of viserys. He landed all these by litterally doing nothing but taking advantage of his luck.
„Daemon was not that cruel“ mmmm yeah, ask Helaena about that.
No matter what Aemond did, it did not justify Blood and Cheese.
Sounds like the writers hate Daemon which is moronic since the rogue prince is one the most interesting character and not a one dimensional psychopathic murderer. Didn’t these people learn from their mistakes when they came up with their own interpretation and made such a bad job that everyone now hates Game of Thrones due to the horrible ending.
Didn’t George literally say the show is what actually happened the books are just a account of what happened. So daemon really did kill his wife
GRR Martin stated that the books are written from the perspective of a 3rd party who were not there. Meanwhile the show is real source of truth of the story. You're suppose to not believe what is in the book is the true source.
Meh he traded up, she was very manly looking, so who could blame him?
The shows suppose to be the accurate version of the story btw💀
I like how the show did it deamon is a straight savage lol
A book and it's motion picture adaption are two different things. I don't understand why people are upset about a series or movie bc it's not the exact same as the book. Bc if it was it would be bering ash
Damion hired the faceless men?
The writing of the murder scene was a total disappointment. I understand that they have a little leeway with the show due to the nature of the source material intentionally giving us conflicting views but this was unbelievable outside of that as people notice when dragons are flying around and this would be even more true in an area like Runestone where dragons are not often seen.
Agreed. That was an odd scene.
Daemon will soon be dead as the lady whisper
Why can’t I marry a lady Rhea in real life? Those who have the bread, don’t have teeth
I’m pretty sure there is speculations that he killed her
GRRM is heavily involved in the show. Fire and Blood isn't meant to be an accurate story, and the readers are forced to puzzle everything out for themselves. Other than some age related changes, the show is supposed to be the unambiguous story.
That was a very wrong decision, that murder makes no sense.
Daemon realized that his wife was a non binary! 😮
So I don't think he killed her in the show either. She fell off her horse. She is paralyzed. Daemon simply put her out of her misery.
So… killed her
@@LordHoth_09 - sure, but the way people talk about it is as if he sought her out and murdered her. He showed compassion. But I get your point...he did strike the final blow
Hmm this seems like a misunderstanding of that series of books. Its an anthology of perspective, its hard to tell what exactly happened
Daemon didn't kill her the divorce rock killed her