fun fact: you can, in real life, call a parrot as a witness in court, and parrots have actually delivered testimonies that proved beyond reasonable doubt. one case was thought to be a break in and manslaughter, and an attempt on the victim's wife's life, and turned out to be a murder and attempted suicide committed by said wife, with the parrot testifying the last words of the victim, which revealed they were in a fight, and she shot him, before turning the gun on herself, and surviving the shot. this parrot proved not only who the one responsible was, but that the crime was an entirely different one. it wasnt a break in, manslaughter, and attempted manslaughter. it was a murder and attempted suicide.
Two interesting details: 1) When he is shown nervous in the trial, he grabs the shoulder where the bullet is located, as a form of foreshadowing. 2) In the next game, it is stated he died in prison, less than a year later. Most likely suicide, although it is funny to think he met some of the innocent people he send there in arranged trials.
I think in some of the later games he's implied to still be alive, albiet not directly stated. I think Capcom isn't entirely sure what's up with him either
Sorry not 'games'. It was the Ace Attorney anime adaptation, where it's implies that he is still alive and imprisoned at the end of the episode Reunion and Turnabout 1st Trial.
@@rawmaw It was a long time since I played it but I remember in the second game is mentioned he is dead, but the details are vague. Also, a Japan-only guide stated he was given the death penalty. So yeah, unless Capcom pulls a retcon we are not gonna see more of Manfred ever again. As for the hints of him being alive, I think you may be confusing him with his daughter Franziska von Karma, since they have the same surname.
I read a fantastic fan written piece about Gregory's spirit going to speak with him on the operating table (to remove the bullet from his shoulder), and how MVK died of fright upon seeing the man he killed. It's my headcanon since it would fit roughly in line with the "he died in prison" answer.
Fantastic analysis! von Karma is absolutely one those characters you just love to hate. 1-4 was such an incredible case and a lot of that hinged on his character and the lengths he went to to exact revenge on the Edgeworths. He’s such a horrible man, but a fascinating character and great villain.
Good video. As one of the few Manfred fans out there i'd like to add There are many scenes in the anime where new sides of his character get shown that contradict popular assumptions about him e.g. him wrapping a scarf around Miles when he fetched him, taking in the stray pomeranian, him taking Franziska and Miles out to the mall for pancakes and whatnot. It even illustrates that Miles' adoption was not fully out of revenge but that he saw potential and an actual lost son and a playmate for his daughter in him. In the Miles investigation games he mentions a wife while later in the timeline there is no evidence of her being around - scenes in the anime show the table being set for only the kids and him as well. The likeliness he eventually was a single father is high. The anime was the first to show some private workings and i would love if there is a game centered around Franziska to further illustrate it. I wonder and theorize about what caused him to become so obsessed with perfection and needing to live up to a families creed. Nothing excuses the suffering he put onto others still. A sadly very flat / clearly fully evil charactization he got that makes sense and is key to his role, effect and appeal but it'd be interesting to see behind the curtain.
Great analysis! I also found his fatherly side of him to be an interesting comparison to his perfectionist, ruthless prosecutor side. It really helps round his character, in my opinion.
I'm just going to point out that those episodes were filler and are never mentioned in the games, so I would take those scenes with a grain of salt. Plus the anime changes a lot, to the point of context getting cut or outright changing how certain events play out
The hitman from the second game? He did a fine job, was never caught and the only reason there was a happy ending was because the culprit tried to blackmail him too.
Prosecutor strategies of all known prosecutors: Winston: Tries to get the judge to follow his drift from the start, but has no other tactic otherwise Miles: Strong ability to connect the dots in ways people may not be able to and is often well informed about the case, relies on strong foundations in arguments, is well prepared in case things don't go as planned but may be vulnerable when his base is rebutted and backup plans countered Manfred: Extreme aggression and intimidation, not letting the defense learn enough information to properly defend the defendant Franziska: Combination of Miles' and Manfred's tactics of aggression and strong case foundations with backup plans if needed, much like Miles, combined with attempts to rush the case to the verdict as fast as possible like Manfred. Combined, it gives Franziska a sort of blitzkrieg strategy Diego (Godot): The best prosecutor in the trilogy. Relies on nothing but sheer improvisation and wit much like Phoenix does, albeit actually better than Phoenix is. Objections are actually intelligent and not just to deny the defense information
Great coverage. Manfred is one of my favorite villains of all time as well!!! I like him more than Dahlia honestly. Also keep up with this series - As I am a fellow villain lover. >:)
Fun Fact: Manfred von Karma died from unknown causes not too long after that trial. Since he committed murder after getting penalised... i think we might know how he died...
He's the most evil villain hands down- just think he killed gregory in front of his own son- took his son under his wing then raised him and trained him in his illegal prosecution ways building up his career just to destroy it by framing him for murder all to get back at his father for ruining his perfect track record- like he's fucking ruthless.
I could say Dahilia is more evil but honestly; both are very vile humans on an equally different ends of the spectrum While Manfred has worked up a winning streak for 40 years and uphold a perfect image... Making him grandiose. Dahlia has done diabolical stuff that I consider her rather like a demoness yet she always fails on her crimes, and even as she struggled beyond the grave she manage to fail at the end.
He murdered Gregory over just a stain on his track record, but he framed Miles over a bullet wound. There was a bit more to take revenge for than just the penalty, at least
I haven’t heard a single person talking about the fact von Karma simply accepted (maybe even planned) to lose the first case in case 4, the one blaming Edgeworth. Even though he had another plan to actually convict Edgeworth his win record would still be incomplete. Or am I missing something?
It probably was the fact that the murder in this case was no murder or any wrongdoing on the accused by any legal means so it probably be counted as void. (You can't legally charge him for any crime so it's not his fault) the 2nd crime on the other hand the accused already confessed so it could be a GUARANTEED slam dunk if it was for anyone other then Phoenix Wright.
If he shot Gregory Edgeworth over a penalty, imagine what might have happened to Phoenix, if he didn't take down von Karma in court right there and then
So von karma can be accused of obstruction of justice, murder, assault (As well as attempted assault), AND HAVING THE MOST FREAKY OBJECTION SOUND EVER LIKE SERIOUSLY DUDE CHILL
Objection: then his father would have had to been a prosecutor and would have wanted to be a prosecutor. Also then the school thing wouldnt have made sense.
probably one of the best villains in AA history maybe even one of the best villains in video games, he tries to control everything and in the Investigation games he had some great scenes with him being an ally in Turnabout Reminiscence and is a great rival in The Inherited turnabout.
*OBJECTION*! I am not just "gReAt" I am *P E R F E C T!* and a villain?! You are mistaken! I am just very serious with my work! And I take great offense to that statement!
If von karma was a late-game character it would be harder. Also von karma literally objections and overrules everything so hes better, pheonix was kinda lucky
YES there is more stuff to unpack in the light of the anime; his behaviour / actions and thoughts there don't fit with the picture or assumed image some people paint of him.
![[LIVE] : ONE ลุมพินี 88 | คู่เอก "ป้อมเพชร vs อัสลามจอน"](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/1ZqTVVbMgbo/mqdefault.jpg)
fun fact: you can, in real life, call a parrot as a witness in court, and parrots have actually delivered testimonies that proved beyond reasonable doubt. one case was thought to be a break in and manslaughter, and an attempt on the victim's wife's life, and turned out to be a murder and attempted suicide committed by said wife, with the parrot testifying the last words of the victim, which revealed they were in a fight, and she shot him, before turning the gun on herself, and surviving the shot. this parrot proved not only who the one responsible was, but that the crime was an entirely different one. it wasnt a break in, manslaughter, and attempted manslaughter. it was a murder and attempted suicide.
0o0
Holy shit
damn
that bird has seen some sh*t
I SWEAR I WILL NEVER USE THE PHRASE "BIRD BRAIN" AGAIN
Two interesting details:
1) When he is shown nervous in the trial, he grabs the shoulder where the bullet is located, as a form of foreshadowing.
2) In the next game, it is stated he died in prison, less than a year later. Most likely suicide, although it is funny to think he met some of the innocent people he send there in arranged trials.
I think in some of the later games he's implied to still be alive, albiet not directly stated. I think Capcom isn't entirely sure what's up with him either
Sorry not 'games'. It was the Ace Attorney anime adaptation, where it's implies that he is still alive and imprisoned at the end of the episode Reunion and Turnabout 1st Trial.
@@rawmaw
It was a long time since I played it but I remember in the second game is mentioned he is dead, but the details are vague. Also, a Japan-only guide stated he was given the death penalty.
So yeah, unless Capcom pulls a retcon we are not gonna see more of Manfred ever again.
As for the hints of him being alive, I think you may be confusing him with his daughter Franziska von Karma, since they have the same surname.
I read a fantastic fan written piece about Gregory's spirit going to speak with him on the operating table (to remove the bullet from his shoulder), and how MVK died of fright upon seeing the man he killed. It's my headcanon since it would fit roughly in line with the "he died in prison" answer.
@@Lotus-sp6cu can you link me to the piece???
Fantastic analysis! von Karma is absolutely one those characters you just love to hate. 1-4 was such an incredible case and a lot of that hinged on his character and the lengths he went to to exact revenge on the Edgeworths. He’s such a horrible man, but a fascinating character and great villain.
how did such a hated character produce someone as amazing as Franziska? We will never know
I would hate to hate Manfred Von Karma.
Good video. As one of the few Manfred fans out there i'd like to add
There are many scenes in the anime where new sides of his character get shown that contradict popular assumptions about him e.g. him wrapping a scarf around Miles when he fetched him, taking in the stray pomeranian, him taking Franziska and Miles out to the mall for pancakes and whatnot.
It even illustrates that Miles' adoption was not fully out of revenge but that he saw potential and an actual lost son and a playmate for his daughter in him.
In the Miles investigation games he mentions a wife while later in the timeline there is no evidence of her being around - scenes in the anime show the table being set for only the kids and him as well. The likeliness he eventually was a single father is high. The anime was the first to show some private workings and i would love if there is a game centered around Franziska to further illustrate it.
I wonder and theorize about what caused him to become so obsessed with perfection and needing to live up to a families creed.
Nothing excuses the suffering he put onto others still.
A sadly very flat / clearly fully evil charactization he got that makes sense and is key to his role, effect and appeal but it'd be interesting to see behind the curtain.
Great analysis! I also found his fatherly side of him to be an interesting comparison to his perfectionist, ruthless prosecutor side. It really helps round his character, in my opinion.
I'm just going to point out that those episodes were filler and are never mentioned in the games, so I would take those scenes with a grain of salt. Plus the anime changes a lot, to the point of context getting cut or outright changing how certain events play out
I assume he’s like that because of Japan standards and pressure
Manfred Von Karma is the most badass DS character of all time
Change my mind
No reason to
I could probably do that. After all, he isn't a DS character per se, he started as a GBA one.
@@smurfadoodlethewise4584 oh I never heard of a GBA.
EVEN THE JUDGE LISTENS TO HIM!!!!
HE EVEN CALLS THE JUDGE "FOOL"
The hitman from the second game? He did a fine job, was never caught and the only reason there was a happy ending was because the culprit tried to blackmail him too.
Prosecutor strategies of all known prosecutors:
Winston: Tries to get the judge to follow his drift from the start, but has no other tactic otherwise
Miles: Strong ability to connect the dots in ways people may not be able to and is often well informed about the case, relies on strong foundations in arguments, is well prepared in case things don't go as planned but may be vulnerable when his base is rebutted and backup plans countered
Manfred: Extreme aggression and intimidation, not letting the defense learn enough information to properly defend the defendant
Franziska: Combination of Miles' and Manfred's tactics of aggression and strong case foundations with backup plans if needed, much like Miles, combined with attempts to rush the case to the verdict as fast as possible like Manfred. Combined, it gives Franziska a sort of blitzkrieg strategy
Diego (Godot): The best prosecutor in the trilogy. Relies on nothing but sheer improvisation and wit much like Phoenix does, albeit actually better than Phoenix is. Objections are actually intelligent and not just to deny the defense information
Franziska: i Will do what my grandfather did in ww2
Great coverage. Manfred is one of my favorite villains of all time as well!!! I like him more than Dahlia honestly.
Also keep up with this series - As I am a fellow villain lover. >:)
Oh don't worry, I will have more on the way. I have considered making a video on Matt and Dahlia, both are great villains
@@cjmac4732 admittedly I never cared for Matt. But Shelly De Killer on the other hand. ♡
@@PelvicGaming you never cared for matt? But he was in a lot of trouble and if you didnt help him with all your power maya would be dead.
Fun Fact: Manfred von Karma died from unknown causes not too long after that trial. Since he committed murder after getting penalised... i think we might know how he died...
Maybe Manfred just wants some love because his parents never loved him.
The_Shy_Guy_101 Still doesn’t excuse what he did. If it is true.
Neg Leyk OBJECTION: you have no proof that his parents didn’t love him. If anything, his parents spoiled him into becoming a cocky bastard
jswp5 I said “If it is true” I didn’t say it was
*OBJECTION* where is this evidence to prove your proclaim?
@Manfred Von Karma OBJECTION! If anything, it is up to you to prove since your parents are part of your family!
He's the most evil villain hands down- just think he killed gregory in front of his own son- took his son under his wing then raised him and trained him in his illegal prosecution ways building up his career just to destroy it by framing him for murder all to get back at his father for ruining his perfect track record- like he's fucking ruthless.
Gregory* Miles' father is Gregory Edgeworth, not George
@@theshermantanker7043 spelling error bud
I could say Dahilia is more evil but honestly; both are very vile humans on an equally different ends of the spectrum
While Manfred has worked up a winning streak for 40 years and uphold a perfect image... Making him grandiose. Dahlia has done diabolical stuff that I consider her rather like a demoness yet she always fails on her crimes, and even as she struggled beyond the grave she manage to fail at the end.
He murdered Gregory over just a stain on his track record, but he framed Miles over a bullet wound. There was a bit more to take revenge for than just the penalty, at least
@@n-extrafries-surprise Yeah agreed, Von Karma at least kills to reach seperate goals. Dahlia just kills cause she feels like it.
He’s pretty scary for a man who can’t read
Hhahahahahhahahahaha good reference.
@@blightedadmiral7006 reference to what
For you see mr Wright It was I who has posted this video making this indepth description of myself
_VON KARMA NO_
I haven’t heard a single person talking about the fact von Karma simply accepted (maybe even planned) to lose the first case in case 4, the one blaming Edgeworth. Even though he had another plan to actually convict Edgeworth his win record would still be incomplete. Or am I missing something?
He realized he was screwed after he flipped out
It probably was the fact that the murder in this case was no murder or any wrongdoing on the accused by any legal means so it probably be counted as void. (You can't legally charge him for any crime so it's not his fault) the 2nd crime on the other hand the accused already confessed so it could be a GUARANTEED slam dunk if it was for anyone other then Phoenix Wright.
If he shot Gregory Edgeworth over a penalty, imagine what might have happened to Phoenix, if he didn't take down von Karma in court right there and then
For you se, Daniel, it was *IIIIIIIII* who sent Grossberg to the boat shack!
So von karma can be accused of obstruction of justice, murder, assault (As well as attempted assault), AND HAVING THE MOST FREAKY OBJECTION SOUND EVER LIKE SERIOUSLY DUDE CHILL
Tw for mention of Su1c1d3
In the second game, it is also implied that Manfred ended up killing himself because of his now-tarnished record.
When was that?
@@gamersinacontainer specifically near the end of the final game. He also could've been murdered or in an accident.
@@TheRealWalt Hmm I see
Huh, I always assumed he was executed. This setting gives the death penalty as punishment for murder, right?
@@ruerue244 He could have killed himself before his execution. Maybe he didn’t want anyone but himself to do it. Perfection and all.
I really wish he would also make a video about Damon Gant
It’s a shame they never used him again except for AAI2 which is basically the backstory of the case that would lead too the events of dl6
True, but at the same time, it IS implied he passed away either during or after the events of JFA, so it makes sense
Answer: a bullet
Excuse me sir, this is hilarious c:
Seeing him finally snap at the end was incredibly satisfying
I'm the God of prosecutors, not the king.
Von Karma, No!
You can’t just give yourself unreasonable titles.
@@bbqbunger2350 Who are you to tell me what I can and cannot do? Besides: it is not an unreasonable title.
if he was a defense attorney and Phoenix's mentor....
*oh no*
Objection: then his father would have had to been a prosecutor and would have wanted to be a prosecutor. Also then the school thing wouldnt have made sense.
@@someonehungarian9002 just swap more roles
probably one of the best villains in AA history
maybe even one of the best villains in video games, he tries to control everything and in the Investigation games he had some great scenes with him being an ally in Turnabout Reminiscence and is a great rival in The Inherited turnabout.
I can be almost certain that Von Karma's comment about his pin was sarcasm.
would've been nice if you delved into his daughter and his appearances in Ace Attorney Investigations 1 and 2.
Satan: I am powerful, I am your worst.
Karma: Hold my objection
All this over a penalty? Geez this man is petty!
If you think about it, Manfred von Karma is the main villain of the entire trilogy
This is to this day the best ace attorney culprit out of all of the cases
if a game has the hardest character ever in literally case *4* then you know its gonna be hard yet good
I have ptsd flashbacks every time I see this God forsaken man
Fear me
You know Danganronpa and Ace Attorney, you are the best person I have ever met
My favorites prosecutors in Ace Attorney are Edgeworth , Klavier and Blackquill
Thank You Mr. All Might
10:04 LOL
Ah yes, the ace attorney rabbit hole
I fell down this rabbit hole (again)
@@ManFreedFromKarma I don't blame you
*OBJECTION*! I am not just "gReAt" I am *P E R F E C T!* and a villain?! You are mistaken! I am just very serious with my work! And I take great offense to that statement!
Still a perfect villain for the end of the game.
I'm loving your analisis videos.
I have never seen a video with 0 dislikes before
Congratulations
There always has to be that one person
@@scriptedjava9265 Sucks
@@SuperBatSpider yeah
Unfortunately since posting this comment two people decided to prove you wrong.
Well I wasn’t wrong when I commented
Dang the Parrot joke really backfired
"Phoenix, and the player, have defeated the king of prosecutors"
Is that a reference to Rise From the Ashes?
You just earned a subscriber!
Villain? VILLAIN?
Okey who is franziska von karma from Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney Justice For All next video.
his daughter
@@milesedgeworth3048 and your sister.
@@someonehungarian9002 Yes
if git makes a MPCIGE episode about him, he's a villain and a half
This was an AMAZING video. I love this
smh his daughter is better than him
If von karma was a late-game character it would be harder. Also von karma literally objections and overrules everything so hes better, pheonix was kinda lucky
@@cryopex9976 nah man, franziska is wife
Will you do a video on Gant?
Bullet
Bullet
Bullet
Bullet
Bullet
in case your wondering what happened to von karma after he lost, suicide
I thought he was executed for murder
Manfred von karma Vs galactus
Ha-ha-ha..
Stop objecting me while I'm cross-examinating!
Holà Mr. Cross-Examinen't
OBJECTION! It’s “tsk tsk tsk...”
Fake. I have my papa's phone and every device he signed in to because he is in prison.
@@franziskavonkarma6783 whip
I Crushed him in like 20 minutes
Hey did know Manfred thinks it should be illegal for women to fart
Sorry, but von KIRMA??
accent check
I prefer the anime since he is given more depth though. Also must be lonely to be only likes for who you are not and you need to put up the act :\
@HQ Saw it. I enjoyed it. Wish there was more episodes on that and that he does not die. :(
YES there is more stuff to unpack in the light of the anime; his behaviour / actions and thoughts there don't fit with the picture or assumed image some people paint of him.
Huh, really? I never really watch through the anime because I already played the game. Maybe I'll specifically go check that episode out
Maybe blood
Weed.
Damon Gant is better
By a mile
Kork