The way Shigaraki’s mom tried to comfort him even though her body was falling apart always gets me. She might have made mistakes, but she loved her son
well nana shimura got assasinated as a hero, so she doesnt step in for a grander reason , the dad is just stupid. Kid abusing for watching a picture? he deserved dying
@@afonmetin2938 its obviously far deeper than a "kid looking at a picture. Dad clearly had his own issues with his mother and heroes in general. In his own twisted way, preventing his children from becoming heroes would maintain them to be a family. His actions and the way he went out about doing things didn't help tho, but its not surprising. "Hurt people hurt people".
@@RikXtreme4 im not judging the ideology, im judging the manners. He could just convince the kid in a logical way instead of just fucking him up every single time. U dont teach your children to not be a hero by slapping him god damn it
@@afonmetin2938 Again, the dad is damaged. And everytime he conducts his "parenting" its rooted in unresolved emotions and dysfunction. The rest of the family were too passive too.
An interesting bit someone pointed to me about this episode is that all the family members died the same way they treated Shigaraki. His dog died just being a loyal pet; His sister died trying to save herself, abandoning him; His mother died trying to comfort him; His grandparents died doing nothing but watching from the sidelines; and his dad died trying to solve the problem with violence.
Norm MacDonald RIP said a perfect joke is one where the build up is similar in structure to the punchline. Shimura Tenko's origin story is his Joker origin story. It's a tragedy to us, but it's his "Hero's Journey".
16:15 “ this can’t be the first time this kind of stuff happens in this kind of universe” Chris is right in season four Eri’s backstory is that her quirk manifested by erasing her father from existence from a single touch
@@joelsasmad yeah that isn't really true at all. Eri was taken care of by Overhaul who cut her up so bad she even died only to be resurrected by Overhaul's quirk. While Shigaraki was groomed to give in to his urges and do anything he wants.
Probably totally forgot. I've noticed that about MHA reactors. Like how 3 of them in this one had forgotten that Nana was Shigaraki's grandmother. What is it about this show in particular that causes so many to forget or ignore these details? I feel like you don't see it to the same extent with other anime or live action reactions. Its just weird
And Deku broke his arm and legs. Imagine if it manifested naturally one day when he punches back against Bakugo. Arm and Bakugo chunks across the wall. Ashido's quirk is also dangerous. Acid. Overhall. Kaminari. Tokoyami. Lots of deadly quirks.
@@LamirLakantry A lot of quirks are weaker when they first appear so it's usually not TOO bad when they manifest. Bakugo was just making sparks when he first got it after all.
The crumbling we have been seeing from Tenko’s quirk is actually censoring. Its supposed to look that bloody from the first season. They didn’t turn grey or people thought it was dust, it actually had color and blood oozing out from the cracks. So Yes, his quirk was supposed to be that bloody from the beginning but the studio had to censor it.
You see this when Shiguraki fights fights Aizawa way back in Season 1, when he puts his hand on Aizawa's elbow and he doesn't start turning to dust, but his skin cracks and you see the blood.
Horikoshi does actually foreshadow Shigaraki's backstory a few times in earlier seasons. He frequently refers to the hand on his face as "father" for instance. Which as we now know, is literally the hand of his father. Also, annoyed that they censored Shiggy getting three of his fingers ripped off.
@@dejisauce6025 Oh my God, now it makes fucking sense. I always thought it was dumb why Redestro would literally touch his whole hand during that scene and not get decayed. The anime better not do this dumb censoring again next season.
His mother died rushing to hug him that's really feels bad man. A Mother's love is unconditional stuff and how she tried to be there for him despite what he did.
From another point of view the whole issue Shiguraki had with her and his grandparents was that they would try to comfort him and say everything is alright when his abusive dbag of a father mistreated him instead of actually doing anything about it.
@@kingsosshootaiwillslapcash6300 I think your mischaracterizing him a little here. He was a perfectly normal kid who's dad had been abusing him before this specific incident and pushed him to an edge here the stress of just being at home caused him to develop a psychosomatic itch. Unfortunately like Eri he developed a ridiculously dangerous quirk and people where dying before he was even fully conscious of what was going on. When his father beats him with the pipe he lashes out at him but that is honestly not that abnormal a response all things considered.
The dog died comforting him, sister died with her back turned in fear, mother died trying to comfort him and grand parents died helplessly as bystanders while the father died by rage
13:32 It wasn't an artistic choice, that's how it's visualize Shigaraki's quirk in the manga, while in the anime, when used on people, is always censored by having him basically turned the person into a white stone-like statues, then they either crumble or turn to dust.
I genuinely didn’t think that people needed to be told this, because I thought it was super obvious. But after watching a bunch of reaction videos, there are so many people who didn’t put that together.
I wonder what shigaraki would think if he knew that it would come in full circle(like if it weren't for AFO they might've had a somewhat ok family i guess), how he just became one of the chess pieces of AFO. tho imma not sure since I'm not caught up with the manga.
Mikey is on the right track - the "crumbling" is just the anime censoring what really happened - in the manga it was very explicit and gory - they decayed,flesh,blood and all - so thats why there is a pile of blood and bones as the end-result - its weird that they felt like they could let that in,but had to censor the actual process of decay lmao
Its because of the timeslot MHA currently airs at. Japan weird af. Big tiddy animes are fine but god forbid we show blood and gore for more than a split second. Anime with more mature content tend to be aired later in the day to have more freedom with what they're able to show.
@@AF-kh1ki To be fair is WAY more mild to see big tiddy anime girl than a dog crumbling to damn bloody pieces, i mean, japan is indeed weird, but this isnt an unreasonable censorship tbh
Yeah, I would actually argue western (or at least American) standards of censoring tend to be weirder. Generally violence (such as shooting, stabbing, beating the shit out of people, etc) is seen as more acceptable than a little bit of titty.
@@nahuelcolombo1672 yeah but decay has always been portrait like that since season 1, they can’t just change it, actually decay on the fist chapters of the manga were showed exactly like that, someone turning into a stone like being and being desintegrated, it wasn’t until MVA that they actually show it like the body just turning into a million pieces while the blood leaves it’s base
yeah don't be surprised only Rana Navi and Chris reactions are real, they forgat bigger stuff like the hand on Shigaraki's face he called that hand Father since season 1 and they said it in season 2 and 3 as well and they think it his mom, they forgot Eri erased her dad from existence, they forgot Nomu are human.
Remember how Aizawa's arm looked in season 1 when shigaraki got him? All bloody and fucked? THAT'S what his quirk does to people. The dust is censorship. Imagine what it looks like between Aizawa's arm and the pool of blood and guts....
@@catherinelee1206 That's exactly right. It's because in this episode he's still a kid and doesn't have control over his QUIRK powers. As the AFO later explains, he's subconsciously suppressing his powers.
@@catherinelee1206 There was in the manga for that scene. Likewise, the goon Shiggy kills when they encounter Overhaul also turns into a bunch of bloody chunks in the manga. See Chapter 125.
His quirk awakened worst possible time, like his sister was gonna apologize that's why she searched for him, doggo was just sitting there in silence, mother had enough of her husband and was finally standing up for shigi and herself, grandparents guess weren't gonna stand by but rather stood firmly behind the wife, dad semi on the verge of change and repentance since the rereading of the letter, and the talk with the wife, he asked if the kids were okay.
Nah the blood has always been a thing. Shigaraki's quirk breaks people down, but that was too visceral for the anime at times so they added the dust and crumbling effects. In the manga u just see blood squirting out as the dog is cracking.
I mean, Deku got training to fight Shiggy with Overhaul last season. Re-Destro, with his percentage based strength quirk, is just Deku training for Shiggy. the backstory just showed that the villain known as Tomura Shigaraki could have been better if there was any intervention.
@@gamingdemigodxiii5630 almost exactly like Joaquin Phoenix's Joker. And if you look, you'll see all of the different people Deku has helped over the series in Shiggy's situation, like how Eri had a spontaneous quirk that hurt a family member, Dad being like Kota resenting heroes, etc.
@@KristofWakoli the biggest difference I perceive between eri and shigi is that shigi’s quirk has a VERY high likelihood of being implemented by AFO 🤷♂️
No, era el estrés diario saliendo en formas somáticas. Muchas personas tienen diferentes maneras de sacarlas y aunque no se noten al inicio pueden mandarte al hospital muy grave. (Morder el cabello es de los más peligrosos
A certain manga page was removed from the adaption. In that scene shigaraki got lost as a child and a man in black suit returned him back to his family just before the manifestation of shigaraki quirk.
I had the same reaction as Chris when I read the manga panels. You just see the dog…and you know it’s gonna happen…and then lil Shigaraki is crying, and you’re like, “No, no, no,” and then it happens, and it’s such a visceral moment that if you really do laugh like, “Wtf???” Like someone say down and drew and wrote this. It’s fucked up. Sometimes the emotion just comes out that way.
So yeah, fun fact. In the manga they don't turn to dust, they turn to blood and gore, in this scene in the manga, the dog cracked apart and blood started spraying out as it fell apart, the anime censors it by having them turn to dust, then be bloody after in some scene
17:00 Bad man refers to All for One who All Mights mentor was fighting, the isolation is ironic cause this only lead him to becoming used by All for One.
Toga lost a LOT of blood. It was somewhat censored in the anime, but remember, she was exploded from the inside, along with a bunch of explosions to her body including point-blank in her face.
You want to know something funny? This arc was cencored a LOT unlike it was in the manga, one of the bigget complains the anime had was that they always cencored a lot of scenes in all the seasons, it doesn't reach invincible levels of violence and gore but if the anime was adapted 100% like in the manga then kids would not be able to watch it.
If I lived in this world, I would be terrified of toddlers and kindergarteners just in case their quirk randomly manifested and it’s something horrifying.
Even though the adaptation of MVA as a whole was a bit underwhelming and rushed, I'm so happy they knocked everything with Shigaraki out of the park at least
@@patricktorres1292 If you're open to it, I would highly recommend reading the manga for this arc. It is exceptional and expands on so many things that were unfortunately cut this season.
@@MasterPoppers I did check it out because so many manga readers were bitching and moaning. Boy do they exaggerate, there was barely anything cut out and even then the only important thing IMO is the spinner stuff.
I'm guessing "The Bad Man" is All for One, which adds a new level to the complicated relationship with Tenko/Tomara, AFO, and Nana. I really enjoy this arc as it adds layers to the villains and points out the flaws of hero society. We see in so many superhero stories like Spider-Man and Batman that their secret identity is to protect their loved ones, but this shows the flips side and how dangerous things can be if the hero full abandons their family and focuses on being a hero full time. Had Nana focused more on her son and maybe stepped back from being a hero, so many lives may not have been lost with her not being in his life.
AFO was hunting and killing OFA successors though. Her husband's death was probably connected to this as well (he's certainly not above going after families). It's pretty unlikely she would've been able to just step back so long as she had that power.
Twice has been confirmed to be the most OP character in the mha world because he has no physical limit unlike everyone else. his only restriction is his mental state.
@@raec5426 yeah but he can reproduce them infinitely eventually who ever he is fighting is going to get tired and by that point he could just over power them with even more clones like imagine an infinite wave of shigirakis
One of the best backstories ever for a villian, the blood is canon and is because he doesn’t knew what was happening, he thought it was a villian. He could controll his quirck, that’s why he didn’t turn the dog into dust completely.
"Learned helplessness" look that up. I know it, because that's how it was in my family. I wouldn't give the grandparents, mother, and sister so much accountability for this. Tenko brought this upon his entire household, but we also acknowledge that Nana Shimura had to make a choice between saving the world or her family, and in some cases, that's a not a choice for real-life heroes we have. Later on in the manga this concept will explored further.
Spinner is great. His life sucks. He never gets a power up. But he still stands up. He voices his opinions. The anime cut out the bits where his relationship with Shigaraki developed but I'm glad they kept in his moment of calling out Trumpet and the rest.
The Anger, Hatred, and Resentment he felt exploded out of him through his quirk. Like he said himself, deep down that was what he wanted… the eradication of his “uncaring” family…
Shigaraki's story is so sad. He wanted his family to tell him that he could do it. That he could be a hero. Just like Deku wanted his mom to tell him. But they never did, they just accepted what his dad said and did. Just told him to endure the pain and suffering. Until it all burst out.
@Cosmic Lionheart Yeah, but Shigaraki’s dad had a bit of a hatred towards heroes, & that was the fault of his mother Nana Shimura, who didn’t even let All Might or Gran Torino watch over him from afar.
THEY CENSORED IT TV in the manga everyone shigaraki’s decays falls apart into bloody chunks of decayed flesh the only thing that turns into dust are inanimate objects
Also you gotta remember Tenko was five, so this no heroes rule realistically couldn’t have been in affect for too long; especially with the grownups reaction as if this was the first time the father hit him. This to me feels like this was a new problem that was escalating quickly in the household, and not a long on going problem.
It probably started after he read the letter from Nana Shimura. He may have left it unopened for many years, due to the resentment he felt over his mother "abandoning" him. If he had read those words earlier, things might have been different.
The bad man she was referring to was All for one. She sent sent her son away before her final battle with him (where she died) because she knew All for One would come after her son if possible.
Shigaraki's story is a tragedy, but is also a lesson to anyone who takes advantages of others because they can't resist them, who ignores the suffering of others because it doesn't affect them. Not villains, but simply individuals who take from those around them because they can and watch it happen without remorse. This is what can happen when you ignore the pain you cause and sweep it under the rug; Tenko suffered for his ENTIRE LIFE at the hands of his father's violence and his family's indifference. It built up slowly over time until that suffering overflowed and destroyed his family and his future. Tenko became a monster, Tomura, but his father was a monster from the start. And I feel no sympathy for him, not much more for his family aside from his sister. Tenko was a beaten child, the adults were cowards. And they deserved everything they got.
I don't think I have ever seen any of the Normies speechless, at least not all at once. This episode and the next got me fucked up. His backstory is so sad, and even thought he is a villain you kind of root for him on his fight with Re-Destro and this whole arc. I've never read the manga, but apparently this scenes where he disintegrates his whole family are way more gruesome and the arc itself is longer.
OMG I dunno why but I just cant stop laughing seeing how traumatized they are right when the end credit starts 🤣 I kinda knew they were gonna get it hard but wow lol funny AF
I knew they were uploading it today so I looked up their channel to see if it was up yet and got disappointed only to go to another video and then get the notification 🤣 FUCK YEAH NOTIFICATION SQUAD!!!!
This whole incident as already been mentioned earlier in the season. They say that the villains attacked and the average citizens fought them off, we’re just seeing what actually happened
In Kotaro's mind, heroes are people who prioritize strangers over their own families. Nana probably wasn't there for him all that much, and that made him grow to hate heroes. I think he wanted to hate her mother but couldn't do that because his mother loved him. I think he preferred it if his mother didn't love him because that way, he could hate her without feeling bad about it. It's much easier to hate someone who doesn't care about you than of someone who does. He then took out his hatred on his son Tenko, who didn't deserve it one bit. If Kotaro had realized his mistake sooner, and apologized to his son, maybe things could have been different.
Ooo, when they starting talking about there having to be plenty of devastating accidents happening due to kids that manifest strong quirks at such young ages, I thought back to season four when backugo and company had the Hero licensing training and had to handle unruly children with powerful quirks. Then thought back to when the Quirk Singularity issue was first mentioned.
RIP doggo, that cute dog did nothing wrong and it died such horrible death. Of all deaths caused by Shigaraki that might be the worst one because dogs are so kind and precious and they never do anything wrong(unless trained by their masters to be evil)
I’m grateful to you guys for breaking down the realism of why the grandparents and mother didn’t help Tenko or stand up to his dad immediately even though they should have.
Mon was a good boy. He knew Tenko wasn't hurting him on purpose, knew Tenko was in pain and stood by his side as he crumbled. That dog was more loyal and caring to that poor kid than his whole family. This is so messed up and sad. Not that his mother was bad, but still, she should have stopped the dad before things got out of control.
What I don't hear anyone talking about is how it can actually be incredibly hard or even impossible to stand up to an abuser in the household. You may want to step in and say something but when someone controls their house through fear it makes it hard to find the nerve to stop them. I grew up in a house like this so I have firsthand experience in this kind of situation.
the family wasnt scared of him tho also he showed no violence's against the family or yelling and when he said he took it too far and the family said they dont agree with him and wont live with him if he hits the kids and he didnt lash out or shout he understood he took it to far it was just horrible timing becuase im pretty sure he was gonna say sorry to the boy
You have no evidence he was going to apologize, and the rest of the family was scared of him thatsy why they never said anything until it became physical. I grew up in a shit household so I fucking know what that shit looks like
Dog: **Turns grey and falls apart** Manga reader: Understandable it was pretty graphic in the manga so Bones definitely wouldn't- Bones: Just kidding! Dog:**A puddle of blood with chunks of flesh in the mix** Manga reader: O_O
Not really. The point of leaving her son was making sure he didnt get targeted by all for one. His quirk (decay) was a mutation that no one knew it would happen. The normal quirk in his bloodline would have been float.
"from afar" lol. AFO would've discovered them much, much sooner probably when Kotaro was even young and probably murdered him in front of All Might or have All Might give up to him or some sort of manipulation like that. Putting his son up for adoption was one of the better choices she had. It could've totally ended out perfectly. More often that not, it would've but Kotaro just couldn't get past feeling abandoned. Blaming Nana is quite absurd. Not everyone has the luxury of hindsight. The story could have easily gone the way of her telling a young All Might then which eventually leads to AFO still finding about the Kotaro.
even if it is a censor the correct head-canon is that his power was weaker at the time and didn't disintegrate deep enough to destroy all the blood and guts, allowing it to show in that flashback.
It's no wonder shigaraki is so mentally fucked up. His quirk being a mutation that no one could have seen coming when he was a kid. He had no warning about what his quirk would be.
You know a lot of people say that his father is not the only one to blame here and while they’re not 100% wrong they’re not 100% right either yes his grandmother was the one who abandoned his father but it was to protect him sometimes we do the wrong things for the right reasons offer one was the one who found that darkness inside him and let it overtake him nurtured him to give into the darkness and the desire to destroy his father on the other hand was the main cause instead of saying son you can be a hero but don’t forget about your familyOr trying to understand why his mother did that in the first place he just took out all his frustration and anger on his youngest son and his son was not the only victim of this is entire family suffered because of his actions there are multiple routes to this problem
13:33 Nope, its the reverse actually. The crumbling to dust effect is an anime censorship. Shigaraki's quirk is decay (not calcify), meaning he rots people he touches them. In the manga, when a person decays to his quirk, their body literally breaks apart and falls into chunks. The cracks that form on their bodies is their bodies rapidly rotting on the outside before the inside, and due to that, blood spurts out from the openings formed until its completely falls apart into a puddle of gore. 14:47 Mickeys got it.
No. His QUIRK is not decay. His QUIRK is collapse. This is the official setting. As a child, he doesn't know how to use his powers, so he unconsciously suppresses them. His family's body fell apart (and later the delinquents) as he broke down halfway through.
If you noticed the ones who love Shiggy the most died first. Dogs love their owners no matter what and we see him always playing with Shiggy even when he gets abused by his dad. Then goes his sister who always “protected him”. His mother who loved him. Then the grandparents and lastly the dad
Btw for anime onlys, half of shigaraki’s hand is gone (his first two fingers) also the worst thing about this is that I truly believe the dad was going to change before ya know….this happened
just realized how he got his scars, the one on his top and bottom lip was from his father hitting him with the pole and the one above his eye he caused himself after he accidentally killed his sister
Remember that Eri had the unfortunate experience of un-existing her own father. They've mentioned tragic cases at least once before, through her, to give us an idea. Still, though, Shigaraki's is definitely one of the harshest there is.
The way Shigaraki’s mom tried to comfort him even though her body was falling apart always gets me. She might have made mistakes, but she loved her son
well nana shimura got assasinated as a hero, so she doesnt step in for a grander reason , the dad is just stupid. Kid abusing for watching a picture? he deserved dying
@@afonmetin2938 lel what. are u serious?
@@afonmetin2938 its obviously far deeper than a "kid looking at a picture. Dad clearly had his own issues with his mother and heroes in general. In his own twisted way, preventing his children from becoming heroes would maintain them to be a family. His actions and the way he went out about doing things didn't help tho, but its not surprising. "Hurt people hurt people".
@@RikXtreme4 im not judging the ideology, im judging the manners. He could just convince the kid in a logical way instead of just fucking him up every single time. U dont teach your children to not be a hero by slapping him god damn it
@@afonmetin2938 Again, the dad is damaged. And everytime he conducts his "parenting" its rooted in unresolved emotions and dysfunction. The rest of the family were too passive too.
An interesting bit someone pointed to me about this episode is that all the family members died the same way they treated Shigaraki.
His dog died just being a loyal pet; His sister died trying to save herself, abandoning him; His mother died trying to comfort him; His grandparents died doing nothing but watching from the sidelines; and his dad died trying to solve the problem with violence.
Wow.
Damn
Even the impressive house died in a spectacular way.
Poetic
Norm MacDonald RIP said a perfect joke is one where the build up is similar in structure to the punchline. Shimura Tenko's origin story is his Joker origin story. It's a tragedy to us, but it's his "Hero's Journey".
16:15 “ this can’t be the first time this kind of stuff happens in this kind of universe”
Chris is right in season four Eri’s backstory is that her quirk manifested by erasing her father from existence from a single touch
Literally Shiguraki is Eri with more anger and being found by the worst possible person.
@@joelsasmad overhaul was a pretty terrible person as well, his way of stopping her quirk was to just disassemble and rebuild her.
@@joelsasmad yeah that isn't really true at all. Eri was taken care of by Overhaul who cut her up so bad she even died only to be resurrected by Overhaul's quirk. While Shigaraki was groomed to give in to his urges and do anything he wants.
Probably totally forgot. I've noticed that about MHA reactors. Like how 3 of them in this one had forgotten that Nana was Shigaraki's grandmother. What is it about this show in particular that causes so many to forget or ignore these details? I feel like you don't see it to the same extent with other anime or live action reactions. Its just weird
@@RikuHarada6996 Yeah. Being tortured like that is bad, but explicitly being groomed to be a worse person would make you a worse person than that.
Chris laughing in surprise from how effed up it is, I feel that.
I want them to call it a "dead corgi" each time they laugh at the wrong moment, now!
That was an Eren laugh
Right, like this shit is THAT messed up
@@silversrayliegh5924 "Meat.."
@@silversrayliegh5924 damn 'Eren laugh' is super accurate
16:30 Technically that happened with Kirishima in his Flashback, he mentioned how he accidentally cut his eye when his quirk first started appearing.
Eri.
And Deku broke his arm and legs. Imagine if it manifested naturally one day when he punches back against Bakugo. Arm and Bakugo chunks across the wall. Ashido's quirk is also dangerous. Acid. Overhall. Kaminari. Tokoyami. Lots of deadly quirks.
Eri literally rewinded her father out of existence
@@LamirLakantry A lot of quirks are weaker when they first appear so it's usually not TOO bad when they manifest. Bakugo was just making sparks when he first got it after all.
@@VegaSlides good point.
that near full 10 seconds of speechless shock after the episode ended at what they just witnessed. That's why I couldn't wait for this reaction.
Right?! Definitely the darkest episode of the season and one of the darkest of the series!
“We knew this for awhile”
I was shocked at how many reactors forgot this, thanks for saving the rest of the group 😂
The crumbling we have been seeing from Tenko’s quirk is actually censoring. Its supposed to look that bloody from the first season. They didn’t turn grey or people thought it was dust, it actually had color and blood oozing out from the cracks. So Yes, his quirk was supposed to be that bloody from the beginning but the studio had to censor it.
In the flashbacks, for sure. But I’m pretty sure in the present his decay is so fast it literally decays everything including blood
Nah it worked like that in present day too in the manga
You see this when Shiguraki fights fights Aizawa way back in Season 1, when he puts his hand on Aizawa's elbow and he doesn't start turning to dust, but his skin cracks and you see the blood.
@@necroxisz no. Actualy, in the manga your quirk decay everithyng like shigaraki's decay in war scene
@@AntonioSilva-bn5ym no
Horikoshi does actually foreshadow Shigaraki's backstory a few times in earlier seasons. He frequently refers to the hand on his face as "father" for instance. Which as we now know, is literally the hand of his father.
Also, annoyed that they censored Shiggy getting three of his fingers ripped off.
That’s true! And yeah they went the Deku in the tournament route for those fingers 😭😂
Why'd his fingers get removed?
@@sentrazyven762 Re-destro removed them so all his five fingers won’t decay him in the manga and the anime chose to censor that
@@dejisauce6025 riiiiiight....I thought I recalled that but the anime didn't include it
@@dejisauce6025 Oh my God, now it makes fucking sense. I always thought it was dumb why Redestro would literally touch his whole hand during that scene and not get decayed. The anime better not do this dumb censoring again next season.
His mother died rushing to hug him that's really feels bad man. A Mother's love is unconditional stuff and how she tried to be there for him despite what he did.
From another point of view the whole issue Shiguraki had with her and his grandparents was that they would try to comfort him and say everything is alright when his abusive dbag of a father mistreated him instead of actually doing anything about it.
His father should have never stopped him from liking hero’s, he was a little psychotic kid who was waiting to be pushed over the edge.
@@justghosteveryone897 I mean no love is unconditional
@@kingsosshootaiwillslapcash6300 I think your mischaracterizing him a little here. He was a perfectly normal kid who's dad had been abusing him before this specific incident and pushed him to an edge here the stress of just being at home caused him to develop a psychosomatic itch. Unfortunately like Eri he developed a ridiculously dangerous quirk and people where dying before he was even fully conscious of what was going on. When his father beats him with the pipe he lashes out at him but that is honestly not that abnormal a response all things considered.
talking about the ''unconditionally'' love of a mother... when all this began because Nana wanted to be a hero more than a mother.
Suraj I’m so proud of your for saving that nana shimura scene 😂😂
FR!!
He commandered those 2 braincells shared amongst the group
In all honesty the censoring is the ash effect/crumbling. In the manga it’s actually bloody bits and pieces
@@Kaiser_MHA yeah, I did a re-read and saw that yeah, I forgot that he was holding his quirk back for a bit
@@Kaiser_MHA gonna keep reminding that the bloody chunks happened to Overhaul's body shield too
The dog died comforting him, sister died with her back turned in fear, mother died trying to comfort him and grand parents died helplessly as bystanders while the father died by rage
They died as they lived...
@@joelsasmad that was so raw, i love it
@@danielrosa9502 it’s was also so copied
13:32 It wasn't an artistic choice, that's how it's visualize Shigaraki's quirk in the manga, while in the anime, when used on people, is always censored by having him basically turned the person into a white stone-like statues, then they either crumble or turn to dust.
war arc scene decay disagree with you
@@AntonioSilva-bn5ym That was full powered Decay.
Baby shigaraki: chunk
Chadgaraki: dust
Suraj: we knew this for a while
Oh thank God!
Chris: well i forgot
Thank God, i thought they all will forgot
I was about to leave their channel and never come back.
Their memory is so weak.
The Bad man Allmight's predecessor was referring too was All for one
I genuinely didn’t think that people needed to be told this, because I thought it was super obvious. But after watching a bunch of reaction videos, there are so many people who didn’t put that together.
I wonder what shigaraki would think if he knew that it would come in full circle(like if it weren't for AFO they might've had a somewhat ok family i guess), how he just became one of the chess pieces of AFO. tho imma not sure since I'm not caught up with the manga.
Mikey is on the right track - the "crumbling" is just the anime censoring what really happened - in the manga it was very explicit and gory - they decayed,flesh,blood and all - so thats why there is a pile of blood and bones as the end-result - its weird that they felt like they could let that in,but had to censor the actual process of decay lmao
Its because of the timeslot MHA currently airs at. Japan weird af. Big tiddy animes are fine but god forbid we show blood and gore for more than a split second. Anime with more mature content tend to be aired later in the day to have more freedom with what they're able to show.
@@AF-kh1ki To be fair is WAY more mild to see big tiddy anime girl than a dog crumbling to damn bloody pieces, i mean, japan is indeed weird, but this isnt an unreasonable censorship tbh
Yeah, I would actually argue western (or at least American) standards of censoring tend to be weirder. Generally violence (such as shooting, stabbing, beating the shit out of people, etc) is seen as more acceptable than a little bit of titty.
@@nahuelcolombo1672 yeah but decay has always been portrait like that since season 1, they can’t just change it, actually decay on the fist chapters of the manga were showed exactly like that, someone turning into a stone like being and being desintegrated, it wasn’t until MVA that they actually show it like the body just turning into a million pieces while the blood leaves it’s base
They really forgot Nana was Shigaraki’s grandmother
They forgot Nomu's are people within the same episode, lol.
Yeah, this channel is one of the worst reaction channels on youtube. They literally can’t remember anything.
yeah don't be surprised only Rana Navi and Chris reactions are real,
they forgat bigger stuff like the hand on Shigaraki's face he called that hand Father since season 1 and they said it in season 2 and 3 as well and they think it his mom,
they forgot Eri erased her dad from existence,
they forgot Nomu are human.
The Normies forget everything, look at naruto, my hero, code geass, AOT, cowboy bebop etc..
they dont?
Remember how Aizawa's arm looked in season 1 when shigaraki got him? All bloody and fucked?
THAT'S what his quirk does to people. The dust is censorship. Imagine what it looks like between Aizawa's arm and the pool of blood and guts....
Shigaraki's quirk decayed Aizawa's elbow till it reached his muscles. There wasn't any blood.
@@catherinelee1206
That's exactly right.
It's because in this episode he's still a kid and doesn't have control over his QUIRK powers.
As the AFO later explains, he's subconsciously suppressing his powers.
@@catherinelee1206
There was in the manga for that scene. Likewise, the goon Shiggy kills when they encounter Overhaul also turns into a bunch of bloody chunks in the manga. See Chapter 125.
@@trinova9581 finally someone remembers
I love their reactions at the end. After watching it, they literally have no words. I can relate
His quirk awakened worst possible time, like his sister was gonna apologize that's why she searched for him, doggo was just sitting there in silence, mother had enough of her husband and was finally standing up for shigi and herself, grandparents guess weren't gonna stand by but rather stood firmly behind the wife, dad semi on the verge of change and repentance since the rereading of the letter, and the talk with the wife, he asked if the kids were okay.
Nah the blood has always been a thing. Shigaraki's quirk breaks people down, but that was too visceral for the anime at times so they added the dust and crumbling effects. In the manga u just see blood squirting out as the dog is cracking.
It was always dust in the manga. It became blood and stuff after this
In the letter, "the bad man" is referring to All for One and that fight is where she died. She really had no other choice but to fight All for One.
5:10
"Bruh you look like a Cuphead boss"
Almost spit out my drink LOL
I can't believe they acted like Nana Shimura being Tenko's grandmother was new information lmao
The remembered after one of the people with a horrible memory reminded them
I mean, Deku got training to fight Shiggy with Overhaul last season. Re-Destro, with his percentage based strength quirk, is just Deku training for Shiggy.
the backstory just showed that the villain known as Tomura Shigaraki could have been better if there was any intervention.
Like the Joaquin Phoenix Joker?
@@gamingdemigodxiii5630 almost exactly like Joaquin Phoenix's Joker. And if you look, you'll see all of the different people Deku has helped over the series in Shiggy's situation, like how Eri had a spontaneous quirk that hurt a family member, Dad being like Kota resenting heroes, etc.
@@KristofWakoli the biggest difference I perceive between eri and shigi is that shigi’s quirk has a VERY high likelihood of being implemented by AFO 🤷♂️
I feel someone in the group is always missing for the best episodes, I really wish rana was here for this one lol
"and just like that, i didnt itch anymore." always makes me wonder if the itch he had as a kid was him wanting to kill his family for abandoning him.
No, era el estrés diario saliendo en formas somáticas. Muchas personas tienen diferentes maneras de sacarlas y aunque no se noten al inicio pueden mandarte al hospital muy grave. (Morder el cabello es de los más peligrosos
A certain manga page was removed from the adaption. In that scene shigaraki got lost as a child and a man in black suit returned him back to his family just before the manifestation of shigaraki quirk.
I had the same reaction as Chris when I read the manga panels. You just see the dog…and you know it’s gonna happen…and then lil Shigaraki is crying, and you’re like, “No, no, no,” and then it happens, and it’s such a visceral moment that if you really do laugh like, “Wtf???” Like someone say down and drew and wrote this. It’s fucked up. Sometimes the emotion just comes out that way.
So yeah, fun fact. In the manga they don't turn to dust, they turn to blood and gore, in this scene in the manga, the dog cracked apart and blood started spraying out as it fell apart, the anime censors it by having them turn to dust, then be bloody after in some scene
17:00 Bad man refers to All for One who All Mights mentor was fighting, the isolation is ironic cause this only lead him to becoming used by All for One.
Shigaraki's family: tenko, I don't feel so good
Suraj came in clutch af with that Nana Shimura scene or else the whole episode would be them discussing it.
Toga lost a LOT of blood. It was somewhat censored in the anime, but remember, she was exploded from the inside, along with a bunch of explosions to her body including point-blank in her face.
You want to know something funny? This arc was cencored a LOT unlike it was in the manga, one of the bigget complains the anime had was that they always cencored a lot of scenes in all the seasons, it doesn't reach invincible levels of violence and gore but if the anime was adapted 100% like in the manga then kids would not be able to watch it.
Yeah.... especially this arc. This arc was far bloodier in the manga LOL
If I lived in this world, I would be terrified of toddlers and kindergarteners just in case their quirk randomly manifested and it’s something horrifying.
Tenko murders his family pet, leaving a pile of blood and flesh on the floor.
Chris: *Kawhi Leonard Laugh*
I was scared they might censor and ruin the hell out of shigaraki's backstory but I'm glad they managed to do it justice🙏
Even though the adaptation of MVA as a whole was a bit underwhelming and rushed, I'm so happy they knocked everything with Shigaraki out of the park at least
@@MrEdit-ic7th As an anime only watcher, I've absolutely been loving this arc and it's easily one of the best in the show imo.
@@patricktorres1292 If you're open to it, I would highly recommend reading the manga for this arc. It is exceptional and expands on so many things that were unfortunately cut this season.
@@MasterPoppers I did check it out because so many manga readers were bitching and moaning. Boy do they exaggerate, there was barely anything cut out and even then the only important thing IMO is the spinner stuff.
Yeah! There’s some censorship but honestly it’s tasteful and still dark enough to see he had a very troublesome past
I'm guessing "The Bad Man" is All for One, which adds a new level to the complicated relationship with Tenko/Tomara, AFO, and Nana.
I really enjoy this arc as it adds layers to the villains and points out the flaws of hero society. We see in so many superhero stories like Spider-Man and Batman that their secret identity is to protect their loved ones, but this shows the flips side and how dangerous things can be if the hero full abandons their family and focuses on being a hero full time. Had Nana focused more on her son and maybe stepped back from being a hero, so many lives may not have been lost with her not being in his life.
AFO was hunting and killing OFA successors though. Her husband's death was probably connected to this as well (he's certainly not above going after families). It's pretty unlikely she would've been able to just step back so long as she had that power.
Thanos: wipes out half of humanity with a snap of his infinity gauntlet.
Shigaraki: wipes anything with his fingertips.
Twice has been confirmed to be the most OP character in the mha world because he has no physical limit unlike everyone else. his only restriction is his mental state.
His clones do get weaker the more he makes of them, more easily prone to be damaged.
@@raec5426 yes but the the thing about him is he makes two perfect clones then those clones each make two perfect clones. That's why he's limitless
@@sitarsenshi8512 I mean the next clone is still weaker than the first.
He is definitely broken
@@raec5426 yeah but he can reproduce them infinitely eventually who ever he is fighting is going to get tired and by that point he could just over power them with even more clones like imagine an infinite wave of shigirakis
Chris's inappropriate reaction when dog died really surprised me😢
One of the best backstories ever for a villian, the blood is canon and is because he doesn’t knew what was happening, he thought it was a villian. He could controll his quirck, that’s why he didn’t turn the dog into dust completely.
"Learned helplessness" look that up. I know it, because that's how it was in my family. I wouldn't give the grandparents, mother, and sister so much accountability for this. Tenko brought this upon his entire household, but we also acknowledge that Nana Shimura had to make a choice between saving the world or her family, and in some cases, that's a not a choice for real-life heroes we have. Later on in the manga this concept will explored further.
I'm impressed they remembered Shigaraki's quirk. Good job at remembering at least that.
Spinner is great. His life sucks. He never gets a power up. But he still stands up. He voices his opinions.
The anime cut out the bits where his relationship with Shigaraki developed but I'm glad they kept in his moment of calling out Trumpet and the rest.
Yeah this episode was definitely on another level for MHA 🤣
This was brutal honestly the darkest episode so far
BRUTAL! Especially compared to the rest of the anime!
@@GeeklyGoods Totally caught me off guard
How long before they realise "The Bad Man" is All For One.
XDDDD “Whaaaaaaaat?!” ‘Ya’ll we knew this for a while.’
We were supposed to learn more about Spinner, as the beginning of this Arc, but it was cut.
The Anger, Hatred, and Resentment he felt exploded out of him through his quirk. Like he said himself, deep down that was what he wanted… the eradication of his “uncaring” family…
Shigaraki's story is so sad. He wanted his family to tell him that he could do it. That he could be a hero. Just like Deku wanted his mom to tell him. But they never did, they just accepted what his dad said and did. Just told him to endure the pain and suffering. Until it all burst out.
Ikr so sad
Tomura tried to smile through the pain until pain made him smile.
& then when his sister blamed him for the picture 😩😩 sucks
@Cosmic Lionheart well clearly that didn’t turn out so well for them😅
@Cosmic Lionheart Yeah, but Shigaraki’s dad had a bit of a hatred towards heroes, & that was the fault of his mother Nana Shimura, who didn’t even let All Might or Gran Torino watch over him from afar.
THEY CENSORED IT TV
in the manga everyone shigaraki’s decays falls apart into bloody chunks of decayed flesh the only thing that turns into dust are inanimate objects
Also you gotta remember Tenko was five, so this no heroes rule realistically couldn’t have been in affect for too long; especially with the grownups reaction as if this was the first time the father hit him. This to me feels like this was a new problem that was escalating quickly in the household, and not a long on going problem.
It probably started after he read the letter from Nana Shimura. He may have left it unopened for many years, due to the resentment he felt over his mother "abandoning" him. If he had read those words earlier, things might have been different.
I didn't notice while watching the episode by I realized they accidentally put Shigaraki's shoes back on then made him barefoot a second later.
Lol whoopsie!
The bad man she was referring to was All for one. She sent sent her son away before her final battle with him (where she died) because she knew All for One would come after her son if possible.
The grandparents probably didn't step in because they were scared of being kicked out.
Shigarakis face at the end was just horrifying. That’s the moment when Tomura became a monster.
Not really it was thanks to OFA
@@jarvisfowlkes3200 yeah I know and I think AFO gave Shigaraki his quirk.
@@jarvisfowlkes3200 so it was thanks to AFO that Tomuras family fell apart and his father abused him thus causing Shigaraki to go mad.
Yeah? That's why three hours later he was walking down the street feeling guilty and wanting to be saved? Because he was such a monster?
It was never confirmed that AFO gave shigaraki decay, so for all we know it's simply a mutation that he develops
Shigaraki's story is a tragedy, but is also a lesson to anyone who takes advantages of others because they can't resist them, who ignores the suffering of others because it doesn't affect them.
Not villains, but simply individuals who take from those around them because they can and watch it happen without remorse.
This is what can happen when you ignore the pain you cause and sweep it under the rug; Tenko suffered for his ENTIRE LIFE at the hands of his father's violence and his family's indifference. It built up slowly over time until that suffering overflowed and destroyed his family and his future.
Tenko became a monster, Tomura, but his father was a monster from the start. And I feel no sympathy for him, not much more for his family aside from his sister. Tenko was a beaten child, the adults were cowards. And they deserved everything they got.
I don't think I have ever seen any of the Normies speechless, at least not all at once. This episode and the next got me fucked up. His backstory is so sad, and even thought he is a villain you kind of root for him on his fight with Re-Destro and this whole arc. I've never read the manga, but apparently this scenes where he disintegrates his whole family are way more gruesome and the arc itself is longer.
WTF? IT'S BEEN 3 WEEKS I'M WATCHING NORMIES, AND I JUST SUBBED 🤣🤣🤣
Someone compared re-destro to Dr. Doofenshmirtz and I can’t unsee it.
OMG I dunno why but I just cant stop laughing seeing how traumatized they are right when the end credit starts 🤣 I kinda knew they were gonna get it hard but wow lol funny AF
when we were young we admire hero but when we get older we understand villain
I knew they were uploading it today so I looked up their channel to see if it was up yet and got disappointed only to go to another video and then get the notification 🤣 FUCK YEAH NOTIFICATION SQUAD!!!!
This whole incident as already been mentioned earlier in the season. They say that the villains attacked and the average citizens fought them off, we’re just seeing what actually happened
I love how horrified they all are XD
Chris was so shocked he laughed as response- I'm so sorry.
In Kotaro's mind, heroes are people who prioritize strangers over their own families. Nana probably wasn't there for him all that much, and that made him grow to hate heroes. I think he wanted to hate her mother but couldn't do that because his mother loved him. I think he preferred it if his mother didn't love him because that way, he could hate her without feeling bad about it. It's much easier to hate someone who doesn't care about you than of someone who does. He then took out his hatred on his son Tenko, who didn't deserve it one bit. If Kotaro had realized his mistake sooner, and apologized to his son, maybe things could have been different.
Ooo, when they starting talking about there having to be plenty of devastating accidents happening due to kids that manifest strong quirks at such young ages, I thought back to season four when backugo and company had the Hero licensing training and had to handle unruly children with powerful quirks. Then thought back to when the Quirk Singularity issue was first mentioned.
RIP doggo, that cute dog did nothing wrong and it died such horrible death. Of all deaths caused by Shigaraki that might be the worst one because dogs are so kind and precious and they never do anything wrong(unless trained by their masters to be evil)
I’m grateful to you guys for breaking down the realism of why the grandparents and mother didn’t help Tenko or stand up to his dad immediately even though they should have.
Mon was a good boy. He knew Tenko wasn't hurting him on purpose, knew Tenko was in pain and stood by his side as he crumbled. That dog was more loyal and caring to that poor kid than his whole family. This is so messed up and sad.
Not that his mother was bad, but still, she should have stopped the dad before things got out of control.
What I don't hear anyone talking about is how it can actually be incredibly hard or even impossible to stand up to an abuser in the household. You may want to step in and say something but when someone controls their house through fear it makes it hard to find the nerve to stop them. I grew up in a house like this so I have firsthand experience in this kind of situation.
the family wasnt scared of him tho also he showed no violence's against the family or yelling and when he said he took it too far and the family said they dont agree with him and wont live with him if he hits the kids and he didnt lash out or shout he understood he took it to far it was just horrible timing becuase im pretty sure he was gonna say sorry to the boy
You have no evidence he was going to apologize, and the rest of the family was scared of him thatsy why they never said anything until it became physical. I grew up in a shit household so I fucking know what that shit looks like
@@ImpeccableZentertainment he literally said he took it to far so what do you think he was gonna do after that genuine question?
16:15 you forgot Eri rewind her dad in to nothing? that shit isnt uncommon
to sum it up : if you are a super hero dont start a family !
Dog: **Turns grey and falls apart**
Manga reader: Understandable it was pretty graphic in the manga so Bones definitely wouldn't-
Bones: Just kidding!
Dog:**A puddle of blood with chunks of flesh in the mix**
Manga reader: O_O
Such a liberating episode
Get ready to be liberated in the next season of mha
👌
Just so you know, none of this would’ve happened if Nana Shimura just let All Might & Gran Torino watch over her son from afar.
its hard to blame her, how could anyone possibly see this coming?
Not really. The point of leaving her son was making sure he didnt get targeted by all for one. His quirk (decay) was a mutation that no one knew it would happen. The normal quirk in his bloodline would have been float.
"from afar" lol. AFO would've discovered them much, much sooner probably when Kotaro was even young and probably murdered him in front of All Might or have All Might give up to him or some sort of manipulation like that. Putting his son up for adoption was one of the better choices she had. It could've totally ended out perfectly. More often that not, it would've but Kotaro just couldn't get past feeling abandoned. Blaming Nana is quite absurd. Not everyone has the luxury of hindsight. The story could have easily gone the way of her telling a young All Might then which eventually leads to AFO still finding about the Kotaro.
even if it is a censor the correct head-canon is that his power was weaker at the time and didn't disintegrate deep enough to destroy all the blood and guts, allowing it to show in that flashback.
It's no wonder shigaraki is so mentally fucked up. His quirk being a mutation that no one could have seen coming when he was a kid. He had no warning about what his quirk would be.
*Dog turns into dog puddle*
*Chris* "😂😂😂!!"
16:46 Every 30 minutes a Doggo is Quirk'd 🤣
You know a lot of people say that his father is not the only one to blame here and while they’re not 100% wrong they’re not 100% right either yes his grandmother was the one who abandoned his father but it was to protect him sometimes we do the wrong things for the right reasons offer one was the one who found that darkness inside him and let it overtake him nurtured him to give into the darkness and the desire to destroy his father on the other hand was the main cause instead of saying son you can be a hero but don’t forget about your familyOr trying to understand why his mother did that in the first place he just took out all his frustration and anger on his youngest son and his son was not the only victim of this is entire family suffered because of his actions there are multiple routes to this problem
12:22 Again, i lov how random that moment was
I’ve been waiting for you guys to see this backstory
Always that sad moment when your favourite of the Normies isn't there for such a crazy episode 😅
13:33 Nope, its the reverse actually. The crumbling to dust effect is an anime censorship. Shigaraki's quirk is decay (not calcify), meaning he rots people he touches them. In the manga, when a person decays to his quirk, their body literally breaks apart and falls into chunks. The cracks that form on their bodies is their bodies rapidly rotting on the outside before the inside, and due to that, blood spurts out from the openings formed until its completely falls apart into a puddle of gore.
14:47 Mickeys got it.
No.
His QUIRK is not decay.
His QUIRK is collapse.
This is the official setting.
As a child, he doesn't know how to use his powers, so he unconsciously suppresses them.
His family's body fell apart (and later the delinquents) as he broke down halfway through.
Chris had that Eren Yeager response.
I still don't get how he had to cut off chisakis arm bc his quirk wouldn't stop otherwise but aizawa got to keep his arm.
If you noticed the ones who love Shiggy the most died first. Dogs love their owners no matter what and we see him always playing with Shiggy even when he gets abused by his dad. Then goes his sister who always “protected him”. His mother who loved him. Then the grandparents and lastly the dad
Btw for anime onlys, half of shigaraki’s hand is gone (his first two fingers) also the worst thing about this is that I truly believe the dad was going to change before ya know….this happened
The dog scene was more gruesome in the manga, with the dog's blood spewing out of the cracks and more.
just realized how he got his scars, the one on his top and bottom lip was from his father hitting him with the pole and the one above his eye he caused himself after he accidentally killed his sister
In the manga they crumble into bloody chunks but the anime censored it with the initial decay
Remember that Eri had the unfortunate experience of un-existing her own father. They've mentioned tragic cases at least once before, through her, to give us an idea. Still, though, Shigaraki's is definitely one of the harshest there is.
Yeah while she was saved by heroes, Tenko wasn't and went on the path of villainy
MHA is nothing more than Horikoshi's absentee father issue therapy.
Remember Eri erased her father from existence, so yeah these things happen.
Y’all forgot Nana Shimura was Shigaraki’s grandma!? I know it was a minor detail but they mentioned it when AllMight fought AFO! ahhhh
Oh yea Mickey! The crumbling in the manga was super gory! they toned it way down in the anime!!