I dunno. It looks like the outcome of all of this is the game continues to bleed those players who believed in deflationary assets and bought in at the start of CL. There are too many assets for them to ever be deflationary. There becomes less and less reason to own assets which leave the modern format. Which means holding CL packs to hopefully see a price increase (maybe to what they were purchased for at least...) will likely never happen. This also means cards in the wild format will see a downward trend in their combining rate and purchasing rate preventing them from ever gaining any real value again. When I decided to buy into Splinterlands I thought it was a card game played against other people. It really isn't, I was naive and didn't do my due diligence. That was definitely my fault. That being said, the survival of this project depends on small dollar investors, every "positive change" we make to curtail bots has some kind of negative effect on small dollar investors. The fact that economy design requires causing harm to the players you need to hopefully help them means that the core design is flawed. Why are accounts which simply extract and add nothing of value to the game allowed to exist? Simple, someone is making money, and those people have sway. I will have to see a huge change in Splinterlands before I will ever give it another dollar of liquid capital and this change doesn't do enough for me. Less bots just means more CL cards in the wind being rented for pennies. The only thing of (potential) value I can do with my cards is "play" against battle helpers and bots. Quite the game, eh?
Then Mancio is a wolf in sheeps clothing preying on all those who want Splinterlands to succeed. Of course they have an advantage, they work at Splinterlands! He knew he had to save his glint, and knew when to hit it all. Normal players have no clue about this. Until next time everyone, keep stacking those losses.
Matt needs to answer a LOT more questions on this! How many other members of the team are running bots? Do those bots have an advantage since developers have access to API info normal players don't? Are the developers the ones picking up all the leaderboard rewards?
I was thinking about getting some more summoner cards - currently with this news and the fact the Wild is going to be pay to play I'm probably not going to waste my money, looks like buying cards was a bad move as all my wild cards are going to be worthless in the next couple of weeks! RIP Splinterlands.
Matt's response is garbage. the team botted the Runi launch as well. This is one of the reasons i left the game. i still rent my deck out...kuz it's CL and i'm about 98% down on that. but i'm over the garbage.
Congratulations to you, best move you can make regarding this project and its team. Actually only second, best would have been to be able to tell what a grossly incompetent sham the team is and not touch their garbage in the first place.
While this might be allowed, it is really, really slimy not to mention the huge irony given the fact that the team have supposedly been trying to fight the botfarms for years now, while also obviously owning some of the biggest farms, lol. And I don’t agree with Matt - what sort of “just playing the game” is that? That’s not playing the game at all. That’s pure unhinged exploitation…. It’s a matter of integrity. A team member should know better.
Exactly what I thought with the misappropriation of funds on a criminal level and misleading of investors, and that was YEARS back already lol, not even considering anything since then... I'm extremely surprised that there has only been ONE civil suit that I'm aware of and ZERO criminal ones. The only way I can explain it is that lawyer fees in the USA are so expensive that it's not going to be worth it.
Great video, Tales! I was shocked learning that a team member could run a bot farm. Matt is right that there is nothing inherently wrong to do so. BUT abusing an infinite loop and not telling the team likely is. Or he did warn the team and got ignored. I don’t know which is worse. Vettev even mentioned about the “exploit” while playing in the mavs server BEFORE the update went live. So my guess is the team knew but didn’t think it was a problem… In fact, the “exploit” is still live, it has only been reduced by 10x. People are focusing on the jackpot, but that is not it. What “fixed” it was reducing the tranches. The issue is that chests are essentially free depending on where you play. Meaning that you will get more value than it costs, making it a no-brainer until a certain tranche. Mostly because of the energy in them. Anyway, something else to think about is that by being a team dev, he likely has access to the battle-engine code and can run perfect simulations that no other bot can, and certainly not players…
Since the developer in question is botting most games systems on Hive it's more likely he knew and exploited then because he got so much got caught with his hand in the cookie jar and had to put some back.
'I was shocked learning that a team member could run a bot farm.' Then you seemingly haven't been with the project for long, it's been like that for many years and the team doesn't even deny it, they are proud of their misdeeds lol.
team members that operated bot farms not punished. Players who "donated" 50 bucks a month to Sylar to bot modern, not punished. (granted "amnesty") A barebones roadmap due to limited resources and wasteful past spending. Yeah, SPL is cooked.
I wouldn't actually call it 'wasteful past spending'. What they did was willful misappropriation of funds on such a massive and continuous scale that it's on a criminal level. People have been thrown in prison in the US for decades for less, wonder why the professional scammers that is the SPL team haven't fared the same yet.
They said he programmed the front end stuff meaning he saw everything the player would see way before it ever released. The fact that the devs preach bot farms are why Spl is devaluing and a team member runs a bot farm? Matt says no issue? Guarantee you if a regular player got caught with hands in the cookie jar exploiting there would be ban hammer real fast.
Dude the team has NO advantage.. just ability to see the code, talk with the qa teams, get lead info about any dates or drop chances or potential exploits in the pipeline..
you sure about that? do we have visibility of all API's available to the team? Previously there was a "bug" where the API would return the team your opponent was facing......
Negative. The team member knew there was a exploit and unloaded then intended to sell and did sell some. Regardless If he gave back, which he did because he got caught and called out. A legit honest dev would have seen the error and reported it and had it shut down immediately, not taken advantage of it.
Nice investigation Tales - it's all very suspicious, they need to be clear how many members of the development team are running farms, what bots they are using etc. Developers have access to a lot of inside information so are they getting an advantage in battles? The API used to have your opponents submitted team and this would be something a developer would have access to as well which raises the question does their bot farm have an advantage? Are they finishing in the leaderboard rewards? Basically this completely stinks, when you couple it with the proposal from Matt to charge people to play in wild (which will only really hurt people who play - not bot - in wild, these farms will continue to rake in their rewards and be able to pay because of how they operate) there are a lot of questions as to if the team are playing with loaded dice!
From my opinion a lot of this comes down to how much control "mancio" had in the glint shop, the reward chances etc ... Being able to put themselves and their accounts in much more favourable positions than others are able to due to knowledge they have about things coming out is very scummy and overall looks terrible
Interesting video and you likely picked out the team member in question. You did say they are botting basically all the games on hive and you also said dcrops specifically, but I'll say that part isn't accurate. I don't see any activity from any of those hive names on dcrops. Also, there's really no way to bot dcrops to extract that gives botters any real advantage over human play. You could increase efficiency a bit with cooking and crafting and how you plant but not any way to earn and extract from almost nothing.
Really bad look for the team. "No advantage"...yeah right a member of the team definitely has an advantage. All these changes to "combat botting" which nerfed earnings for players to find out team members were extracting in this way is super disheartening. Reminds me of the frickin plandemic...we have found the enemy and it's our leaders...
It's always been the leaders. Aggy is the one that stopped sps run by selling millions of dollars worth at its peak. He hyped it up just to dump on everyone. That's one of the reasons I left the game. Every change resulted in extraction from people at the benefit of the original players and team members.
@punkinfcnn during the first sps run up. I'd imagine it played a part but aggy had a history of hyping things just to profit off them. Back then he kept pushing the message of hold sps hold sps while he had sell orders at 1$ or close to it for sps and made millions off it. Telling people to buy and hold sps while unloading on them to the tune of millions of usd is a horrible look for a ceo. That's when I started losing faith in him and the team. He stiffled the first sps run almost single handedly. Just check his hive history on all of his accounts. Smalp and aggroed and I think there was 2 or 3 more aswell.
why does he say like everyone else? Thats crap not everyone has access to run bot farms, if everyone did this game would have been dead along time ago.
Mat aka AggroedV2 probably meant that everyone who still plays SPL today is an immoral piece of 💩. They never had more regard for their player base than to milk them dry with their scam.
You just explained why governments don't like blockchain, its too easy to connect the dots.
I dunno. It looks like the outcome of all of this is the game continues to bleed those players who believed in deflationary assets and bought in at the start of CL. There are too many assets for them to ever be deflationary.
There becomes less and less reason to own assets which leave the modern format. Which means holding CL packs to hopefully see a price increase (maybe to what they were purchased for at least...) will likely never happen. This also means cards in the wild format will see a downward trend in their combining rate and purchasing rate preventing them from ever gaining any real value again.
When I decided to buy into Splinterlands I thought it was a card game played against other people. It really isn't, I was naive and didn't do my due diligence. That was definitely my fault. That being said, the survival of this project depends on small dollar investors, every "positive change" we make to curtail bots has some kind of negative effect on small dollar investors. The fact that economy design requires causing harm to the players you need to hopefully help them means that the core design is flawed. Why are accounts which simply extract and add nothing of value to the game allowed to exist? Simple, someone is making money, and those people have sway.
I will have to see a huge change in Splinterlands before I will ever give it another dollar of liquid capital and this change doesn't do enough for me. Less bots just means more CL cards in the wind being rented for pennies. The only thing of (potential) value I can do with my cards is "play" against battle helpers and bots. Quite the game, eh?
Then Mancio is a wolf in sheeps clothing preying on all those who want Splinterlands to succeed. Of course they have an advantage, they work at Splinterlands! He knew he had to save his glint, and knew when to hit it all. Normal players have no clue about this. Until next time everyone, keep stacking those losses.
Couple in the fact he's a developer on the team - has his farm been audited to see if the software is getting any unfair advantages?
You give mat to much credit! This is explosive! Great video! Thank you for the hard work tales!
Matt needs to answer a LOT more questions on this! How many other members of the team are running bots? Do those bots have an advantage since developers have access to API info normal players don't? Are the developers the ones picking up all the leaderboard rewards?
Matt is just an AggroedV2, both are professional scammers.
Great detective work!
I was thinking about getting some more summoner cards - currently with this news and the fact the Wild is going to be pay to play I'm probably not going to waste my money, looks like buying cards was a bad move as all my wild cards are going to be worthless in the next couple of weeks! RIP Splinterlands.
"no one did anything wrong" we encourage team members to run bot farms and extract ,extract , extract Go Team !
Ol McMancio had a farm Aj E Je and on his farm he had some glint Aj Eje
Matt's response is garbage. the team botted the Runi launch as well. This is one of the reasons i left the game. i still rent my deck out...kuz it's CL and i'm about 98% down on that. but i'm over the garbage.
Congratulations to you, best move you can make regarding this project and its team.
Actually only second, best would have been to be able to tell what a grossly incompetent sham the team is and not touch their garbage in the first place.
While this might be allowed, it is really, really slimy not to mention the huge irony given the fact that the team have supposedly been trying to fight the botfarms for years now, while also obviously owning some of the biggest farms, lol. And I don’t agree with Matt - what sort of “just playing the game” is that? That’s not playing the game at all. That’s pure unhinged exploitation…. It’s a matter of integrity. A team member should know better.
That's just how the team has been playing the game, being able to extra the wealth of the innocent players.
The Splinterlands team doesn't have more integrity than the bitconnect team, has been that way for many many years and will never change.
I don't have much stake in the game to be mad about this but in other companies incidents like this lead to lawsuits.
Exactly what I thought with the misappropriation of funds on a criminal level and misleading of investors, and that was YEARS back already lol, not even considering anything since then... I'm extremely surprised that there has only been ONE civil suit that I'm aware of and ZERO criminal ones. The only way I can explain it is that lawyer fees in the USA are so expensive that it's not going to be worth it.
Thankfully, there are people paying more attention than me.
Great video, Tales!
I was shocked learning that a team member could run a bot farm. Matt is right that there is nothing inherently wrong to do so. BUT abusing an infinite loop and not telling the team likely is. Or he did warn the team and got ignored. I don’t know which is worse.
Vettev even mentioned about the “exploit” while playing in the mavs server BEFORE the update went live. So my guess is the team knew but didn’t think it was a problem…
In fact, the “exploit” is still live, it has only been reduced by 10x. People are focusing on the jackpot, but that is not it. What “fixed” it was reducing the tranches. The issue is that chests are essentially free depending on where you play. Meaning that you will get more value than it costs, making it a no-brainer until a certain tranche. Mostly because of the energy in them.
Anyway, something else to think about is that by being a team dev, he likely has access to the battle-engine code and can run perfect simulations that no other bot can, and certainly not players…
Since the developer in question is botting most games systems on Hive it's more likely he knew and exploited then because he got so much got caught with his hand in the cookie jar and had to put some back.
'I was shocked learning that a team member could run a bot farm.'
Then you seemingly haven't been with the project for long, it's been like that for many years and the team doesn't even deny it, they are proud of their misdeeds lol.
team members that operated bot farms not punished.
Players who "donated" 50 bucks a month to Sylar to bot modern, not punished. (granted "amnesty")
A barebones roadmap due to limited resources and wasteful past spending.
Yeah, SPL is cooked.
I wouldn't actually call it 'wasteful past spending'. What they did was willful misappropriation of funds on such a massive and continuous scale that it's on a criminal level.
People have been thrown in prison in the US for decades for less, wonder why the professional scammers that is the SPL team haven't fared the same yet.
Now the question becomes.. did Mancio have any part of planning, building or testing of the project that was just exploited?
Very good question. Also did he know to save his glint because he had inside information?
They said he programmed the front end stuff meaning he saw everything the player would see way before it ever released. The fact that the devs preach bot farms are why Spl is devaluing and a team member runs a bot farm? Matt says no issue? Guarantee you if a regular player got caught with hands in the cookie jar exploiting there would be ban hammer real fast.
GOOOOOOOOOO TALES!!!!! SAY IT WITH YOUR CHEST BRO
Dude the team has NO advantage.. just ability to see the code, talk with the qa teams, get lead info about any dates or drop chances or potential exploits in the pipeline..
you sure about that? do we have visibility of all API's available to the team? Previously there was a "bug" where the API would return the team your opponent was facing......
@@scottthomson6221 nah I was being sarcastic, every member of the team definitely has many advantages over normal players.
@@supernewuser sometimes difficult to hear the sarcasm on here without tags! 😉
Great video -- many great points raised. And I agree with matt's statement, majority of the fault falls with him as the game designer.
Negative. The team member knew there was a exploit and unloaded then intended to sell and did sell some. Regardless If he gave back, which he did because he got caught and called out. A legit honest dev would have seen the error and reported it and had it shut down immediately, not taken advantage of it.
Nice investigation Tales - it's all very suspicious, they need to be clear how many members of the development team are running farms, what bots they are using etc. Developers have access to a lot of inside information so are they getting an advantage in battles? The API used to have your opponents submitted team and this would be something a developer would have access to as well which raises the question does their bot farm have an advantage? Are they finishing in the leaderboard rewards? Basically this completely stinks, when you couple it with the proposal from Matt to charge people to play in wild (which will only really hurt people who play - not bot - in wild, these farms will continue to rake in their rewards and be able to pay because of how they operate) there are a lot of questions as to if the team are playing with loaded dice!
its the bot robinhood!
From my opinion a lot of this comes down to how much control "mancio" had in the glint shop, the reward chances etc ... Being able to put themselves and their accounts in much more favourable positions than others are able to due to knowledge they have about things coming out is very scummy and overall looks terrible
Interesting video and you likely picked out the team member in question. You did say they are botting basically all the games on hive and you also said dcrops specifically, but I'll say that part isn't accurate. I don't see any activity from any of those hive names on dcrops. Also, there's really no way to bot dcrops to extract that gives botters any real advantage over human play. You could increase efficiency a bit with cooking and crafting and how you plant but not any way to earn and extract from almost nothing.
WE GOTTEM BOIEES
LETS REMOVE BOTS. COMPLETELY, LETS SEE WHERE IT TAKES US.
Really bad look for the team. "No advantage"...yeah right a member of the team definitely has an advantage. All these changes to "combat botting" which nerfed earnings for players to find out team members were extracting in this way is super disheartening. Reminds me of the frickin plandemic...we have found the enemy and it's our leaders...
It's always been the leaders. Aggy is the one that stopped sps run by selling millions of dollars worth at its peak. He hyped it up just to dump on everyone. That's one of the reasons I left the game. Every change resulted in extraction from people at the benefit of the original players and team members.
@@smokelord2002 When did this take place with Aggie? Did this have anything to do with the CEO change?
@punkinfcnn during the first sps run up. I'd imagine it played a part but aggy had a history of hyping things just to profit off them. Back then he kept pushing the message of hold sps hold sps while he had sell orders at 1$ or close to it for sps and made millions off it. Telling people to buy and hold sps while unloading on them to the tune of millions of usd is a horrible look for a ceo. That's when I started losing faith in him and the team. He stiffled the first sps run almost single handedly. Just check his hive history on all of his accounts. Smalp and aggroed and I think there was 2 or 3 more aswell.
why does he say like everyone else? Thats crap not everyone has access to run bot farms, if everyone did this game would have been dead along time ago.
He meant he played like everyone else on the team. 😄
Mat aka AggroedV2 probably meant that everyone who still plays SPL today is an immoral piece of 💩.
They never had more regard for their player base than to milk them dry with their scam.
Amazing content.
Okay I watched it good video