The Magnificent 45-70 gov in the impressive 1886
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- With the introduction of the Winchester Model 1886 the world of lever actions was changed forever. No previous lever action ever handled as well. No previous lever was as strong. No other lever action ever offered chamberings in such powerful cartridges.45-70 to 50-110 WCF
The new standard. A new standard is set, and it would be years before another lever action would even come close to the perfection of a Winchester 1886. The 1886 Winchester accompanied settlers all across America. It soon became the premier big game hunting rifle for North America and beyond, It was the rifle that became one of Theodore Roosevelt favorite
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I have a high grade 1886 Miroku takedown Winchester 45-70 just bought it 5 years ago, and it is a beautiful rifle with a heavy octagonal barrel. When I hold it, I feel more joy than any other rifle EVER in my hands !!
The reason why I checked this videos out is the High grade picture. I have the Buffalo version of that gun. The 100th year anniversary 1 of 3000. You are correct about the feel of the octagonal barrel.
I loved my first Springfield Trapdoor. It was a life changing moment. It was my first non WW2 old firearm. Before that I was carrying my dad's Phelps 45-70 revolver that he bought new in 1977 or so. It had a 300' barrel and weighed more than my truck. I told my dad that I was going to put a caster on the bottom of the holster to help it from dragging on the ground. Just kidding I didn't want to do any damage to it. You know it's a rare revolver and carrying it in the mountains was just a crime. My dad had to wear a cast on his arm from the first time he shot it. I think he was loading them for a rifle. We ended up at our local gun show in Denver. They were twice a month in the main room of the holiday inn. I got a bit of a stiffy everytime we went there. I went to this old mountain man that had 5 tables of good old fashioned wood and steel fun. Nothing but new and original big bored. I found a really nice trapdoor that was solid as a 60's Cadillac. The guy turned out to be a wonderful gunsmithing also. Well I ended up buying that Trapdoor for $350 this was in 1995. I took it to the mountains a few times but I didn't want to do any damage to it so I bought a Marlin and that rifle spent every trip to the mountains with me. Now I am looking for another Marlin. They are cheap to buy and launch some lead. It's time to get another 45-70 in the collection. I even still have 49 rounds loaded for my Trapdoor that I loaded 20+ years ago. They are in great shape and I'm sure they will shoot. I'm glad I hoard firearms stuff. I loved the video. Happy Shooting
That is an amazing story, thank you for taking time to share it with us and also thank you for watching
Great video. Awesome levers and chambered in .45/70 Legend.
Buffalo's Outdoors Thank you
Slowing it down allows less distortion and more penetration. Faster equates to mushrooming and energy transfer to the target. 😊
45-70 is an iconic round! Beautiful rifles and great information my friend! Thanks for sharing this! I’m always learning something from you!
Thank you very much
I'm glad you put out a 45/70 video this weekend. I got to shoot a very neat one. I wish that I could have featured it in a full video.
Pat Realmanofgenius thanks for watching, how did it go with Eric 88? I seen a lot of the guys from the Georgia shooting connection were there too
Very nice. I enjoy your leverguns.
I've got some old Winchester 1894 30-30's, an 1895, a few 1886's, and a 348 win and 348 a Ackley improved. Recently found a 94 model in 38-55 and am going to get that. It's fun to shoot this old stuff.
Aaron Wilcox Wow that’s an awesome collection you got going on there, I should have a 348 Ackley improved video coming out today, featuring those 35 speer bullets size down to 348
Great cartridge and rifle. I load the Lee 405 with 37 grains of 3031. Recoil isn’t bad and it penetrates good.👍🏻
Georgiaboy44 I used 38 gr for the low velocity loads of 3031 powder
Beautiful rifles Man.. ! Thanks for sharing
Thank you for sharing
Thanks, good video contrasting the different bullet weights and velocities.
Glad you liked it, I hope to make a lot more videos like that compare and different bullet weights velocity, like some sonic and stuff
I've got to start doing some vids outdoors, that walnut looks amazing in the sunlight.
That would be awesome, thank you
All very impressive rounds! Those expanding bullets really dump the energy. Beautiful rifles!
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I appreciate you sharing with us GOD BLESS.
Thank you for sharing
45-70 Govt. is a great cartridge. I've never owned a 1886, but I've had quite a few 45-70's over the years. An 1881 Marlin (one of the only top ejects Marlin made) a Ruger #3 carbine, two Sharps rifles and a trapdoor spring field. I still have one Sharps (My most favorite rifle) and the trapdoor. I wish I hadn't sold that old Marlin! My Sharps hunting load is a 520 grain soft cast bullet over FFF Goex black powder. (Same 500 grain Lyman bullet mould as yours, but soft, near pure lead, weighs out at 520) The bullet lube is homemade 50/50 mix of beeswax and buffalo tallow from a buffalo a friend shot years ago. They are only going about 1,200 fps, but it has passed through everything I've shot with it, including several bears and elk. Pure lead, they mushroom open the size of a quarter.
Funny, the lighter "express bullets" start out faster, but don't carry as far, or shoot as flat. If you can call a 45-70 flat! Those slow heavy bullets have much more power than folks realize. Pure, or soft lead, and they really do some damage on an elk!
I've wanted an '86 for thirty years or more, and still don't own one....
Well hopefully that one day you’ll get an 1886 they sure are a lot of fun to shoot, and I think I would’ve done better on damage if I would’ve use pure lead in the lighter loads, they sure did have a lot of penetration though, I actually think the lighter loads would be good on bigger animals our little deer don’t even slow them down good
@@Leverguns50 That can be a problem too. Not enough time to expand in a smaller animal. Believe it or not, I hunted cottontail rabbits with a 50-70 Remington rolling block. The first one I shot, I thought "why did I do that? There won't be anything left". But all it did was poke a finger sized hole through it. Really not much more damage than most 22LR will do. Plenty to eat. The bullet isn't going that fast. but zipped through a rabbit without time to flatten out. Definitely overkill and a waste of lead and powder, but it was fun and good practice! Rabbits are good eating too!
Great video, thank you
You’re welcome and thanks for watching
Great video and demo.
Thank you
Awesome experiment ! And very practical example , thanks ! 👍☺👍🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌎👌🌠
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Impressive results.45-70 is one of my favorites.🐓
Yes it is, Thank you for watching
great pieces right there !!!!!
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Amazing power! All of them cartridges!
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Very nice rifles brother very nice 👍
i have a old one in 40-60. and two Browning made ones from the 80's in 45-70, long octagonal barreled one and a carbine,no extra safetys on them.And a Browning made 80's 71 in 348win, a 92 in 44mag, a 1895 in 30-06,Winchester 1894-1994 Centennial in 30-30 with the long ocagonal to round barrel,she is a slim and gracefull girl. A jm stamped Marlin 336cs in 35Rem , 1860 Henry made by Hege in 44/40win and my wife has a Marlin in 32/20,i hava a old Winchester 94 in 32/20 and a Marlin in 32-40(old one) and a couple of very old 73's
That’s a really awesome collection, that’s enough awesome guns to make any man proud, i’ve never shot a 32-40, is the 32-40 pretty accurate?
@@Leverguns50 Thank you for that.And yes i am👍🏻yes it is a accurate round.
Oh man those are some sweeeet rifles right there.
Dang lot of power and energy
Wooow this tow Gun are so beautiful the are Looking like a peace of Art spaichely the Silver one its amazing bute
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God I love that nickel reciver one, and ya know the 45-70 gov is my favorite big bore. I got all giggly watching this. 🖤💜🖤💜
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Impressive , I enjoyed watching this just the raw power is something to see. Big like 82 my friend thanks for making this for us have a Great week. 👍😀
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sweet rifles... love the 45-70 ammo.
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@@Leverguns50 great videos my friend.
Thats really cool its like watching action movie.
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Impressive, 50,000 # ! Yeah that Barns looked darn good, knock down #'s. That first round, unstoppable! If Teddy Roosevelt liked it...well 👍👍 A Beauty
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Nice video and good info for my bear hunt next life time.
Great video as always brother very impressive. Oh yeah it would knock a animal flatter than a board the hollow points for sure. Be safe and GOD BLESS.
Thank you so much for coming by, it’s always good to hear from you, God bless you and yours
Leverguns 50 thank you for sharing your videos with us brother. I enjoy watching them a lot. Good night and GOD BLESS.
Probably the best lever gun :)
I think so, but then again I like all of them, thank you for watching
Love my 45/90 1886 quality is way better than marlin
That’s very interesting
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That 250 grains Barnes bullet looks like perfection! I'm a bit surprised the hot loads didn't penetrate further and the light powder loads penetrated far! Like you said though, perhaps it turned sideways. I'm surmising that the bullets that didn't penetrate as far release all their energy into the deer while there's much wasted energy with the heavy, light powder loads.
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Dang that 300 sure mushroomed big time
im still wanting that rifle some day *Green with envy*
Thank you for watching, and I hope you get one
i really want one, there is one for sale, browning short made around 92 but 1350e which is pretty much same a new miroku and 100e more than a chiappa, but god i want one
In my opinion, they’re worth the extra money
Where do you find the chamber pressure information for the 45-90? Is it the same as the 45-70 (50,000 psi)?
There is no SAAMI published pressure for smokeless 45-90. This is why the modern 45-90 often says "Black Powder Only" on the barrel. Stay under 40k to play safe. Still PLENTY of power!
Based on what you have seen in your testing what 300gr bullet would u choose the Sierra or Speer 300gr hp. Thanks for your input. Brent
It depends on what you’re shooting and how much penetration need
So far the biggest game and a mob shot with any of them as Whitetail deer and I use the 300 grain Remington hollow points for that and they work really good complete penetration every time
Deer and black bears mostly but maybe an elk if I get lucky
I like to see full penetration on all animals for tracking/blood trail purposes
Any plans for Lehigh bullet testing in the future? Thanks Brent
The Barnes bullet mushroomed big time to. Wow 😳 hog thumper for sure. No damage to the lower velocity bullet to slow it down much.
It sure did didn’t it, I need to make some pure lead bullets for the slower ones
Someone should make an 1886 that shoots 375 H&H
As too shooting low, your comment. Did you ever consider that your shoulder and the rifle are 18 inches to 2 feet above the table? Maybe if you were to kneel your shots would be in line with the table?
You think this rifle would be good for pig or dear out to around 150 yrds?
I think with the right sights it would be good out to 200
Just a reminder for other watchers 4570 500 grain bullet and Marlin came out 4585 by 500 just an update for the new listeners
I once fired a contender in 45-70... once :)
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Brother from another mother like I always say you got some awesome rifles there you have they are beautiful I am jealous😀😂👍👍👍💣💣💣❤️❤️❤️🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸✝️✝️✝️
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Is the 1886 winchester in this video the "short rifle" model? Beautiful gun!
One is a short rifle the other is a carbine
I figured that 500gr 1700fps would’ve plowed through all that and kept goin. Surprised 😮 me.
Most of the time my experience, has been that faster moving bullets penetrate Steel better but not other materials, which is one of the reasons Elmer Keith talked Winchester into slowing down there 458 Winchester Magnum, because he said it wasn’t penetrateing enough at the higher velocity, so now they come out with the 458 a lot to speed it back up, people never learn, faster makes a better mushrooming bullet, if you don’t need much penetration but you want a lot of expansion faster bullets do that
As a .45/70 1886 owner without the 'testing facility' you have, I'd love to see more of your back yard ballistics with this round. My favourite shoot all day on a budget paper punching round is the Lee 340 grain cast from range scrap doing 1200 fps. Can you duplicate this to test ?
I can duplicate that with the 400 grain bullet
@@Leverguns50 Go for it :). I have a 405 grain Lee mold as well. The reason I use 340s is to save on lead and they cool off faster in the mold. Drop the 405s too quickly and they come out banana shaped, great for shooting around corners :D.
85waspnest so which would you prefer me to shoot the 405 at 1200 feet a second or the 500 grain at 1200fps?
@@Leverguns50 405 would be good please.
Where did u get the ladder sight on the browning
That’s the one that come on it
Wilma McDermott Dixie Gun works has them for the best price I’ve found.
@@georgiaboy4410 can order from brownells but cost about 260.00 by time i get it
Wilma McDermott Dixie gun works has a nice reproduction ladder sight for the 1886 for $80. Just checked and they are sold out right now but they will have them in stock again.
love your style, love your content. an idea though mate? put a fresh bit of paper between say every fifth layer of clothes each shot.
that’s a good idea I can put a piece of cardboard every so often, to help keep track of the slower velocity bullets, thanks for watching
I seen another video, dude using 600gr hard cast at 1600fps. Out of a 1895. Its a noe-htc 459-600-fn.
I bet that thing will penetrate good, if he can keep it from going sideways, I think most rifles in 45-70 have to slow the rate of twist for a 600 grain bullet, thanks for watching
@@Leverguns50 sbl runs a 1and 20
Wonder how the 250 Barnes would do in a stout load 45 colt ?
If you got it sized down to 452 it would probably expand OK at close range it might not leave much powder room in the cartridge though they’re pretty long, but I’m sure they make some specially for the 45 colt
1886 in 45-70 is as american as apple pie! i don’t think it gets much better
I agree, but you know the 1886 come in a whole lot more calibers The biggest bee in the mighty 50-110 wcf
What kind of game would a 45-70 be used for?
Any large game animal in North America can be taken with a 45-70, just need to use the right load, I think some people have taken all the big5 game animals in Africa with it too,
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Everything on the planet
I.m in love 🥰
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That 5 or 6 inches of dirt after All that other stuff makes me feel as if it will penetrate all the way through the earth and head to the moon say maybe that’s why the moon has so many craters
😂 thank you
Don't really care for the sights going change mine out with skinnersights I think.
Great rifle especially if your not a buffalo.
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Hey brother I’m a little late watching as usual lolllllllll
Sorry I’m late with the reply
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That’s a big bullet it would turn a hog inside out.
9550 whichever first fn a lol
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I wonder what they would do to a ground hog ?
I don’t know but I bet it would be spectacular
Instead of all that wet cloth , maybe you can get Joe Biden's diaper. Yeah it's that full of $#!+. Good channel , I've been enjoying it
Thanks for watching, don’t think I could stand the smell lol
Like I said rub it in rub it in😅
Well I know there was a 4560 and a 4575
Yeah