Still living your content Mark and very happy to see some new 1886 content. It's my favorite of all of them. My modest little collection of lever rifles mostly comprises of newer reproductions but this makes me want to start looking at some of the vintage iron. Thanks for the video!
Man I love those 86s ! That 40-82 with set triggers is nothing but amazing. You mentioned that King sight not being noted on the letter , I really feel that some things just didn't get written down. Maybe it was coffee break time , and they forgot , lol. I have a 1889 86 in 40-82 octagon 20 inch bbl std sights crescent butt that by the letter was a std rifle , but it also shows were it went from production to the warehouse, then it went back to production for a couple days , then back to the warehouse to be shipped. Everyone I've shown it to thinks it looks right to be a short rifle but there's no way to really know I guess . Regardless, its a great rifle and shoots accurately to about 75 yards. She's taken hogs and deer ... not bad for a 134 year old. Thanks for the videos and information. Always looking to the next !
It's fairly common that sights weren't mentioned in the factory records. In this case, it's unusual enough that I tend to think it would have been noted. It's also not a sight I've seen on other Winchesters of the era. It's a great sight, though.
Mark you have finally made the GREATEST VIDEO EVER! 86’s are my favorites and takedowns to boot. Oh my! Then you actually shoot them and in an area that shows some of GOD’s most beautiful handiwork My hat 🧢 s off to you. How would you ever top this one.
I love watching you shoot those old guns. Makes me wish I had one. I had a Winchester 22lr gallery gun one time but was dumb enough to sell it. Now I have a Brazilian made copy.
What do you think about doing a video on a model 71. Talking about the improvements done to it, like new proof steel receiver, angled locking lugs, bolt ejector, removal of the hook, etc. Showing the differences side by side, talking about the .348 wcf and it grain offerings and comparing to its predecessor .33 wcf. 348 being a necked down 50-110 at higher pressure, and .33 being a necked down 45-70 at higher pressures designed for smokeless. Then whatever you want to talk about, I just enjoy listening to people talk about history. Though, you could wait until you go to Cody to talk about it.
Glad to help get your week started out right. I should have showed that sight. It's an interesting one. I'll try to work it into another episode before that rifle goes to its new home.
@@thecinnabar8442 thanks, I would really appreciate that. An old gunsmith friend used to have a '92 that had a two-position flip-over foresight, but I've never seen a three-position foresight.
Great video sent some lead down range in my 1894 pistol grip this weekend love popping soda cans at 300 yards with open sights the guy next to me was really impressed it was so accurate compared to his ar with scope he like the fact that it was open sights
Those are real beauties, as you probably know the 1886 is my favorite lever action design, that 40-82 is a real special gun with a double set trigger and nickel steel barrel
Your absolutely right, the 33wcf is a very underrated cartridge, it is actually my fav 86. I had a 95% Lightweight T/D in 33 I probably should have kept😏, I now hunt with a 33 in a rifle configuration, full mag, crescent butt, I really like that combination.
It's even more expensive to produce. :) I've finally had to bite the bullet and monetize the channel just to offset some of the cost of the ammo. Sorry about the commercials that show up now.
@@thecinnabar8442 Watching commercials is a small price to pay for some of the best video available dealing with old Winchesters. Keep up the good work.
I think when your going to shoot obsolete calibers and set triggers of different configurations, you should give us close-up shots so we can see what your talking about. Show the cartridges next to a 30-30 or something we can relate to. Thanks for an interesting video.
Oh man look at that! Those are beautiful 86 take downs there! You've got one chambered in the sweet 40-82, Ive got 86 envy! Im hoping to be able to pick up a decent 86 in 40-82 this year.
@@thecinnabar8442 Thank you! Ive come up with a little more than 30 cases of 40-82 so far. The rifle acquisition will have to be delayed until well on into this new year. Im excited about the search and the eventual discovery though!
You’re right those 86’s are heavy. Decades ago Chet Fulmer had one for sale and it took me a couple of months to pay it off. In the meantime I found a guy that formed 38-56 rounds and ordered a couple of boxes from him. Well that 86 was sold by the weekend and luckily Chet had another one in the same caliber so I ordered it as well. That one sold in less than a week. Then about 2 months later the ammo showed up and I’ve never owned another 38-56
Great videos Mark, fellow Oregonian here, Sherman County. Didn't sell that one rifle? Would it be too much to ask the selling price? Keep those videos coming.
No kidding when you say the 1886s are a heavy gun, but they sure are fun! For me it’s a toss up on whether the model 1873 or 86 is my favourite. Guess I will keep shooting both until I figure it out. 😃
great video as always. I was wondering your feelings about the 1876 and 1886 from cimarron. I'm planning to purchase one for hunting deer and bear or I just came across a original 1894 in 32 win special
I really like the 1886 design, my one i 50/110 unfortunately has a round barrel and full length magazine , but the action is really smooth, I can see that people found it a little heavy, but in the larger calibres the extra weight is a big advantage , and compared to my 1874 Sharps it is lightweight. Many thanks for posting this one! Chris B.
Yea, I don't think I'd want to shoot 50-110 through a light rifle. That's probably why the extra lightweights could be special ordered from Winchester in any of the 86 calibers except the 50's. Thanks for watching.
@@thecinnabar8442 Yes the recoil on a light rifle can be a problem, I have an 8 lb Westly Richards falling block rifle in 577 Nitro Express and that lifts my left foot right off the ground, no one will take up my offer of a shot with it at the range, but I suppose I would not notice it so much if there was a charging Elephant coming at me! Stay safe! Chris B.
Wonderful video. Wonderful old rifles. Wonderful setting. How was the Vegas show? Just watched a video from Snapper. He showed some amazing old Colt pistols from the show. Did you acquire anything to add to the collection? Thanks for another good one.
Now To Show The Model 71 Winchester in .348 Winchester Some Love ❤❤❤❤ Mark😀😊😊 The Refined 1886 Winchester One of the Finest and Smoothest Lever-Actions Ever Made 😀😊😇😇😇😇❤️ 😊
He must be an 86 fan. I watched him buy an 86 at the Las Vegas show a couple of years ago. I saw him at the show last week, so I wonder if he picked up another one. I'll check it out. I do like those 33's, too
Has to be pretty difficult finding .40 caliber brass for the 1886. Really wish there was an option between the modern .38-55 and .45-70, but the closest thing that I know of would be the .444 Marlin. Resizing .45-70 to .40-65 is an option I guess. Perhaps a .45-90 can be resized for cases longer than .40-65.
Yes, finding brass for many of the older calibers is a challenge since Jamison Cartridge Co. folded. I certainly hope company will step up to fill that void soon.
Good question. The set trigger is adjustable. Typically, it would be adjusted to a light pull so the shooter could choose between a standard or light pull.
What were those calibers other than the 45-70 and does one have to be a reloader to ( hunt with/just pleasure shoot) these rifles,iam new to this channel and being curious.
The 33 is the most accurate of any of my winchesters, I don’t think it’s available unless you hand load , the 45_70 can be bought in this area at the wal-mart store
Ergonomically, it makes more sense to set the trigger with your right hand, but a highly skilled old-time Winchester smith once told me that the Winchester close coupled set triggers should be set from the left. Because of the geometry of the parts, they're more likely to be damaged with pressure from the right side. I should have mentioned that, but it slipped my mind. Good catch.
Is the 33 caliber more pleasant to shoot I’ve got a Browning 86 and it kicks like a mule so I have got a cast mold for it and wants to load it down to black powder speed to see if it more pleasant to shoot
I'm not a fan of relining barrels in more powerful cartridges than the pistol calibers. If it were my rifle, I'd try to find a good used replacement barrel or replace it with a new barrel that's had the finish aged.
Still living your content Mark and very happy to see some new 1886 content. It's my favorite of all of them. My modest little collection of lever rifles mostly comprises of newer reproductions but this makes me want to start looking at some of the vintage iron. Thanks for the video!
I am a fan of an 86! Thank you again sir for the fun video as always
Man I love those 86s ! That 40-82 with set triggers is nothing but amazing. You mentioned that King sight not being noted on the letter , I really feel that some things just didn't get written down. Maybe it was coffee break time , and they forgot , lol. I have a 1889 86 in 40-82 octagon 20 inch bbl std sights crescent butt that by the letter was a std rifle , but it also shows were it went from production to the warehouse, then it went back to production for a couple days , then back to the warehouse to be shipped. Everyone I've shown it to thinks it looks right to be a short rifle but there's no way to really know I guess . Regardless, its a great rifle and shoots accurately to about 75 yards. She's taken hogs and deer ... not bad for a 134 year old. Thanks for the videos and information. Always looking to the next !
It's fairly common that sights weren't mentioned in the factory records. In this case, it's unusual enough that I tend to think it would have been noted. It's also not a sight I've seen on other Winchesters of the era. It's a great sight, though.
Mark you have finally made the GREATEST VIDEO EVER! 86’s are my favorites and takedowns to boot. Oh my! Then you actually shoot them and in an area that shows some of GOD’s most beautiful handiwork My hat 🧢 s off to you. How would you ever top this one.
Thanks a bunch! So glad you enjoyed it.
Always a pleasure to start the day with a video from the Cinnabar. Thanks!
Glad to help start your day off right!🙂
I love watching you shoot those old guns. Makes me wish I had one. I had a Winchester 22lr gallery gun one time but was dumb enough to sell it. Now I have a Brazilian made copy.
Keep an eye out. The right old treasure will come along.
What do you think about doing a video on a model 71. Talking about the improvements done to it, like new proof steel receiver, angled locking lugs, bolt ejector, removal of the hook, etc. Showing the differences side by side, talking about the .348 wcf and it grain offerings and comparing to its predecessor .33 wcf.
348 being a necked down 50-110 at higher pressure, and .33 being a necked down 45-70 at higher pressures designed for smokeless. Then whatever you want to talk about, I just enjoy listening to people talk about history.
Though, you could wait until you go to Cody to talk about it.
I like that octagonal barrel / crescent butt plate model a lot. Good episode, Mark. Thank you!
Me too! I sure wish I could keep them all.
I have a current production winchester/miroku 1886 in 45-70. I love it. Got 2 iowa whitetails with it back in December.
Great video
Have a miroku 4590 1886 and an original jm marlin in 4570
Great looking rifles and well made.
What a wonderful way to start the week! Please show us more detail on that last rifle's foresight?
Glad to help get your week started out right. I should have showed that sight. It's an interesting one. I'll try to work it into another episode before that rifle goes to its new home.
@@thecinnabar8442 thanks, I would really appreciate that. An old gunsmith friend used to have a '92 that had a two-position flip-over foresight, but I've never seen a three-position foresight.
Fun video to watch, thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
6:02 Ok you own a 1970 ARR Cuda! 305 block? I knew there was something I like about you! Great taste in firearm and a Mopar man to boot!
Cool guns, great review. Looks like the lake is filling up.
Thanks! Thankfully, we're getting a little moisture this winter. We need lots more to break the drought though.
Best videos on TH-cam! Makes me want to get my 86's out and go shooting !!! Hope to see you at our Gun Show
We'll see you there.
Fantastic videos as always.
Thanks a bunch!
Thank you, another great episode.
Our pleasure!
Thank you for the awesome content! - Semper Fi
You just made my day! Love those 86's.
Glad to hear it!
Thanks, I like your new HAT!
Another great video- I have a half magazine takedown in 45/90- considering sending it to turnbull restoration- just need to save up some fun money!
Nice collection of 1886's, thanks for sharing!
You're very welcome!
Love an 1886 rifle, thanks for sharing
Great video sent some lead down range in my 1894 pistol grip this weekend love popping soda cans at 300 yards with open sights the guy next to me was really impressed it was so accurate compared to his ar with scope he like the fact that it was open sights
Those are real beauties, as you probably know the 1886 is my favorite lever action design, that 40-82 is a real special gun with a double set trigger and nickel steel barrel
My husband loves the guns and shooting, and I love the beautiful scenery. 🙂
I love to hear that you both watch our channel. Thanks a bunch!
Your absolutely right, the 33wcf is a very underrated cartridge, it is actually my fav 86. I had a 95% Lightweight T/D in 33 I probably should have kept😏, I now hunt with a 33 in a rifle configuration, full mag, crescent butt, I really like that combination.
This is an expensive channel to watch.....😉
LOL, I could be a little pricey if you were to try and recreate a few episodes. Thanks for the chuckle.
It's even more expensive to produce. :) I've finally had to bite the bullet and monetize the channel just to offset some of the cost of the ammo. Sorry about the commercials that show up now.
@@thecinnabar8442 Watching commercials is a small price to pay for some of the best video available dealing with old Winchesters. Keep up the good work.
@@thecinnabar8442 I bet! I don't think any of your viewers mind what you have to do to keep great content going, thank for all that you do!
@@thecinnabar8442 I also agree, the commercials are a minor inconvenience to be able to see some of these historic pieces.
I think when your going to shoot obsolete calibers and set triggers of different configurations, you should give us close-up shots so we can see what your talking about. Show the cartridges next to a 30-30 or something we can relate to. Thanks for an interesting video.
Oh man look at that! Those are beautiful 86 take downs there! You've got one chambered in the sweet 40-82, Ive got 86 envy! Im hoping to be able to pick up a decent 86 in 40-82 this year.
Best of luck on your search! Ammo and brass are a little tough to find right now.
@@thecinnabar8442 Thank you! Ive come up with a little more than 30 cases of 40-82 so far. The rifle acquisition will have to be delayed until well on into this new year. Im excited about the search and the eventual discovery though!
Another great video Mark! That .33 flung a craving on me.😀
Besides the 33's being a great caliber, because most collectors prefer the larger calibers, they can usually be found at reasonable prices.
You’re right those 86’s are heavy. Decades ago Chet Fulmer had one for sale and it took me a couple of months to pay it off. In the meantime I found a guy that formed 38-56 rounds and ordered a couple of boxes from him. Well that 86 was sold by the weekend and luckily Chet had another one in the same caliber so I ordered it as well. That one sold in less than a week. Then about 2 months later the ammo showed up and I’ve never owned another 38-56
Great videos Mark, fellow Oregonian here, Sherman County. Didn't sell that one rifle? Would it be too much to ask the selling price? Keep those videos coming.
I had it priced at $5,500 at the Las Vegas show. It sold out of the shop just before I posted this video.
No kidding when you say the 1886s are a heavy gun, but they sure are fun! For me it’s a toss up on whether the model 1873 or 86 is my favourite. Guess I will keep shooting both until I figure it out. 😃
Hey, enjoy all that shooting while you decide. 😉
Another good one from the Cinnabar Mark I like that 33 caliber
An excellent caliber, for sure!
great video as always. I was wondering your feelings about the 1876 and 1886 from cimarron. I'm planning to purchase one for hunting deer and bear or I just came across a original 1894 in 32 win special
Those are some beautiful model 86s I have one in my collection that I’m very partial to it’s a 4570 solid frame.
That's a dandy combination!
Thank you for the fascinating information. I love the Hat. Who made?
Resistol. Trying to channel Elmer Keith for some help with my shooting, although he wore a Stetson.
I really like the 1886 design, my one i 50/110 unfortunately has a round barrel and full length magazine , but the action is really smooth, I can see that people found it a little heavy, but in the larger calibres the extra weight is a big advantage , and compared to my 1874 Sharps it is lightweight. Many thanks for posting this one! Chris B.
Yea, I don't think I'd want to shoot 50-110 through a light rifle. That's probably why the extra lightweights could be special ordered from Winchester in any of the 86 calibers except the 50's. Thanks for watching.
@@thecinnabar8442 Yes the recoil on a light rifle can be a problem, I have an 8 lb Westly Richards falling block rifle in 577 Nitro Express and that lifts my left foot right off the ground, no one will take up my offer of a shot with it at the range, but I suppose I would not notice it so much if there was a charging Elephant coming at me! Stay safe! Chris B.
Wonderful video. Wonderful old rifles. Wonderful setting. How was the Vegas show? Just watched a video from Snapper. He showed some amazing old Colt pistols from the show. Did you acquire anything to add to the collection? Thanks for another good one.
There were some amazing guns there. I sold a few and picked up a couple of projects for future episodes.
Now To Show The Model 71 Winchester in .348 Winchester Some Love ❤❤❤❤ Mark😀😊😊 The Refined 1886 Winchester One of the Finest and Smoothest Lever-Actions Ever Made 😀😊😇😇😇😇❤️ 😊
I love the 71's, but I only have one. May have to throw it in on another 86 episode.
@@thecinnabar8442 I’ll Be Looking Forward Too It Mark 😀😊
What a coincidence, Hickok45 features an 86 in today's video. My standard 1886 is in .33WCF, we don't hear much about those.
He must be an 86 fan. I watched him buy an 86 at the Las Vegas show a couple of years ago. I saw him at the show last week, so I wonder if he picked up another one. I'll check it out. I do like those 33's, too
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Thanks Antonino!
wow where is this video filmed? beautiful........
Southeastern Oregon
Has to be pretty difficult finding .40 caliber brass for the 1886. Really wish there was an option between the modern .38-55 and .45-70, but the closest thing that I know of would be the .444 Marlin. Resizing .45-70 to .40-65 is an option I guess. Perhaps a .45-90 can be resized for cases longer than .40-65.
Yes, finding brass for many of the older calibers is a challenge since Jamison Cartridge Co. folded. I certainly hope company will step up to fill that void soon.
What does a double-set trigger do for the shooter in a rifle configuration like this?
Good question. The set trigger is adjustable. Typically, it would be adjusted to a light pull so the shooter could choose between a standard or light pull.
@@thecinnabar8442 Thank You
What were those calibers other than the 45-70 and does one have to be a reloader to ( hunt with/just pleasure shoot) these rifles,iam new to this channel and being curious.
The 33 is the most accurate of any of my winchesters, I don’t think it’s available unless you hand load , the 45_70 can be bought in this area at the wal-mart store
@@MegaRiffraff thankyou.
And what was the 3rd caliber, I've never heard of it ?
@@jameshicks4944 4590 was the express round
The octagon barreled rifle is a 40-82 WCF. It was very common in the early 1886's, but not common by the time these rifles were made.
Enlighten me. Why did you set the trigger with your forestock hand? I (a self taught idioat) have always used my trigger finger to set and then fire.
Ergonomically, it makes more sense to set the trigger with your right hand, but a highly skilled old-time Winchester smith once told me that the Winchester close coupled set triggers should be set from the left. Because of the geometry of the parts, they're more likely to be damaged with pressure from the right side. I should have mentioned that, but it slipped my mind. Good catch.
Is the 33 caliber more pleasant to shoot I’ve got a Browning 86 and it kicks like a mule so I have got a cast mold for it and wants to load it down to black powder speed to see if it more pleasant to shoot
The 45-70 had noticeably more recoil that the 33 caliber when I shot them back-to-back.
Would you rebarrel or reline a 40-82 barrel ? There is some rifling let in the barrel, but its scetchy
I'm not a fan of relining barrels in more powerful cartridges than the pistol calibers. If it were my rifle, I'd try to find a good used replacement barrel or replace it with a new barrel that's had the finish aged.
how about shoot'n some savage 99's- I have one in 303 that is over 100 yrs old and going to take it hunting this fall
What does a 33 WCF look like? I've never seen one. Is it like a necked up 30-30?
33 wcf is a 45-70 necked down to 338
@@Tom-ki3lq thanks!
@@jeffreygraf3358 Here's a page... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.33_Winchester
CORRECTION- Who made it?
Have u checked out miroku 1886
Yes, they're very nice rifles.
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I have a last year production 33wcf , but its not a takedown,
As I mentioned in the video, those are just great all-around deer hunting cartridges.