Arbok / Weezing has been my favourite deck to play, for sure. Good enough to compete with top decks, but only if you actually play it well and don't miss things (ie forgetting to Poison a new Active from the opponent before using a Koga) and you're still weak to a fast setup from the top lists. Blaine is probably my second favourite of the decks I have put together, with Venusaur EX solidly third.
@@ItsLuke2357 hahah literally, I got tricked. My first time ever using it I got 9 heads in a row and I was like oh this is gonna be dope. Never have gone past two since
@@hectorrivera5416 oh my god dude I fought someone who flipped heads 6 and still lost I was lowkey holding onto everything after that misty pull since it was like move 12
@@upbeyond671 it’s because the game is new and most folks don’t have a huge card pool so everyone is attracted to the same decks. It another month people will have access to more cards so the meta will evolve
I've been running Charizard EX Moltres EX and I honestly think it is A tier at worst. It has a very solid match up into Mewtwo EX and can beat Pika EX with decent enough draw. I run 2 Old Ambers for Sabrina bait and one Aerodactyl which comes in clutch to stall a few turns when trying to get Zard up. I think the deck is a little underrated.
@TheCognitiveDissident I literally just won a mirror match my using Aerodactyl to shuffle the opponent's Charizard into his deck. I also flipped heads 4 times and won without doing damage lol, but just that first flip was enough to basically kill all that deck's momentum. It works well when they only have 1 Mewtwo EX or Articuno EX or something beefy on the field.
@@RedeemedSteve The new meme is adding 1 growlithe and 2 Arcanine. Charizard continues to be super strong against Mewtwo, but Arcanine is a quicker option that eats Pikachu, or helps out when you're having trouble getting Charizard going. Had some very good results in a couple big tournaments over the weekend.
Personally hoping the mini set adds the Elite 4 as Supporters. Lorelei would probably buff Lapras, Bruno Machamp, Agatha Gengar, and finally Lance Dragonite.
@@Katlgraczyk he would be stronger, but he still needs that gimmick of having protection, and even then as soon as you bring in a pokemon on that hits the bench the deck is thrown out the window, it still take at least 4 turns to set up if you have the full line. You then still have to get lucky with hoping the attack hits everything you need. He’s strong, very strong, but he has a lot of counter play that can’t really be countered back. I’m a dragonite main btw, so I might just be glazing a bit. lol.
@@chavaspada Cant you shuffle it in to your Mewtu-EX Deck?Aslong you play against a non Mewtu deck, you still are in a fortunate position (meta) and when you play against a Mewtu deck, you could get an advantage.
@@Leon玲央 you probably can but it's really not ideal, you would need to add all the energy manually since it's not a psychic card I think it can't get energy from gardevoir
Only thing I run now. Only time it's bad for me is if I'm stuck not evolving my abra early or if the game gives me 6 darkness energys in a row so my Alakazam can't attack. The other 80% of the time the deck is so fun
@UhDewSea yes indeed , I have found great fun in defensive decks that can sleep , paralyze and poison , frosmoth + Dragonite it's another evil deck to run
Only fun deck to run in the game tbh, you can do so many good comebacks. It also depends on how dumb your opponent is, if they are smart they won't start over committing to putting energy to their ace
Nice tier list but in my opinion Charirzard ex deck is A. im running it incomplete (without 1 moltres ex) and im winning more than using a complete Venusaur/Exeguttor ex deck.
You also have to factor in how much fire is out there (Charizard, blaine, and now arcanine ex) that grass decks cant survive. But when Venusaur/Exeggutor actually has great matchup against Pikachu and Water decks, and it can pressure Mewtwo decks as well.
Nice to see a tier list acknowledging how good Weezing Arbok is. It's really well positioned to take out Mew decks and Arbok deals with Pikachu really well.
Favorite deck right now is Rapidash/Nintails. Fast and hits hard and either wins early or lose on the spot. Enjoying it right now for it gets through games rather quick and might be my choice for a rank deck if rank is ever to come.
@@prestigeicathius4660 dude I've been running it for 2 days, definitely my favorite right now. Getting Ninetails round 2 or even just Rapidash Baline round 2 can really set you up for the win.
I really like starmie with 2 farfetch'd and 1 articuno. Farfetch'd puts consistent early damage, especially if you go 2nd, and can let you get starmie or articuno set up. And you can also pivot between starmie and farfetchd super easily. You can attack with farfetch'd, tank a hit on 2 energy mewtwo, pivot to starmie and get 90 off to preserve farfetch'd, and then pivot back to farfetch'd to get another attack off and save yourself 1 point. Thats 170 damage without much risk. It can be a little inconsistent in getting ko's having mons pivot out with 10-20 hp left is very common. Thats where articuno comes in. I've been running it a lot to really good success
I'd argue that Pika/Raichu should also be S, and is arguably better than Pika/Zap, on the account of the Raichu variant having a more favorable matchup vs. Mewtwo and a more balanced machup spread overall. One thing to note is that Raichu variants still play Zapdos ex; they just have 2x of the Raichu line, 1-2x Surge, and an optional 7th basic lighting mon in the form of Pincurchin or baby Zapdos. You build Pika and Zap first like normal while keeping a Raichu in the back line, then switch into it for a big swing if 100 power isn't enough for a 1-shot, with Surge guaranteeing that Raichu is topped off for 1-2 swings.
@@draco4450I use magneton to fix that and they act as bench for pikachu ex too. The decks can have low retreat costs that allow you to play around too so it’s not always a last resort.
Love my 2 line Arcanine ex deck, with 2 Moltres and a Zard line. When you include 2 X speed & 2 Gio's, there's a lot of maneuvering that can be done to get the right pokemon set up! Favorite/ most consistent deck for me atm! Plus Arcanine is my favorite Pokemon!
ive been playing a metal deck recently and love it, using mawile to just keep removing energy, using sabrina to force them into pokemon they wanna power up on their bench, all the while my meltan is powering up for melmetal.
I use dragonite with dodrio and a farfetch'd, the early damage dealers with one energy are so good at softening up the opponent's bench for a draco meteor finish, and the offense is a good defense, my opponents often spend energy switching definitely giving dragonite time to power up.
I tried this, but I kept having problems because of all the Basic cards reducing my chances of getting a Dratini. I ended up taking them out and putting in 2 non-EX Articunos and 2 Misty's. It doesn't solve the Dratini problem but at least this way I can either get lucky and power up Articuno (with Misty) for quick wins, power up Dragonite for late wins, or if I get unlucky I can use 1 Dragonite to stall while building the other Dragonite or a Articuno. That is, if I can actually get the Energy Gods on my side so I get the energy I need xD
Hello! Loving the tier list so far, although I would argue that Dragonite Weezing is a solid deck. I’ve been running it for about a week now and it’s pretty strong once Dragonite is set. weezing does a decent amount of pressure especially when set with an energy. Also against the Metew S tier it’s a solid counter.
@@renehartmann1116 where is this tournament everyone speaks off I wanna join. Is it the event where we get the crown emblems. If not then where is this tournament section in the game thank you
ive rly been enjoying this Gengar/Wheezing control deck: having wheezing stall out the game for me to build up my gengar and hopfully making all enemies low enough for gengar to one shot them when he eventurally comes online, also his ability is rly nice with making enemies unable to use support cards
Lilligant+ Venosaur is my main deck, I’ve finished all the battle tasks and event missions with it. Still need to get my hands on the eggxecutor ex cards to make that unbreakable egg deck.
I have no tournament data to back this up, but the best off-meta deck I've piloted is Victreebell. I play with regular Exeggutor and one Scyther. It doesn't have any big OKOs, but the lines of play feel really smooth and the aggression of exeggutor helps any grass deck.
I play with a victreebel pidgeot sabrina deck that has garnered some decent results. I also have lilligant as a starter in there too to supply energy for grass types
I've had a a great time using 2 Articuno non-ex in my Dragonite deck. With two Misty they come online fairly often, but the 100hp off the rip and 1 retreat cost makes it feel smoother than Weezing.
My go to deck has been articuno greninja. Terrible into pikachu most of the time (unless misty pulls through) but its great at stopping gardevoir early on
I run a Starmie EX/Gyarados/Farfetch'd deck and it has been doing tons of work. Getting lucky with Misty flips on Gyarados early on can really hinder Mewtwo and other energy hungry decks while Starmie and Farfetch'd put a timer on the other setup heavy decks. The only issues I really run into are Pikachu EX decks that are drawing well and the occasional poor start against Arbok decks but otherwise it can really run over a big chunk of the meta.
I'd love they add a "Pokemon breeder" supporter card (to be able to play directly a stage 2 on a basic). Idk if that would make a new tier 0, it's even very scary with Gardevoir but it would make all the stage 2 feel much more playable.
@@marcocrespo8698 Yeah, I'm kind of showing my age. It was base set. I was like 6 when Pokemon tcg became a thing. Still remember pulling that Charizard out of my first 5 packs. Those were some good times.
A easy, cheap, and effective deck I found was bruxish greninja deck. Only difficulty you will face is not drawing the greninja line up. Sure the damage still caps in 90, and 110 if you smh got 2 greninja set up, but if you are new, and poor, and don’t have some bs water card with 130 hp that whips 90 for 2 energy and smh don’t require energy to retreat, it’s a good alternative.
Bro, thus is insane. Weezing arbok is what im using. I just started 2 days ago and this is what I built making my deck from packs. Cool game tbh. Love that everyone is running this too.
I personally have had a lot of fun with Alakazam/Greninja (with Kangaskhan as a low cost wall), and I might argue it warrants a bump up to B Tier. It's one of the few dual energy decks that actually seems to work since both the Abra line and the Froakie line are very agnostic when it comes to energy requirements. In the meta that is so heavily dominated by EX decks, having a deck that is single-point Pokemon is underrated IMO because you're essentially having a 3 vs 2 in your favor. Alakazam is an excellent revenge killer and Greninja's chip damage with Water Shuriken can score some cheeky bench to bench KOs, or be just enough for Alakazam to KO. Yes, it does depend on a good draw because Alakazam needs time to get set up, but once it's ready, it can be pretty scary (Also, it's better than one would think against Charizard EX, because I've seen a number of Charizard players try to load Charizard up with 5+ energy instead of 4 so that they can use Crimson Storm twice in a row, meaning that Alakazam will more reliably KO Charizard in its revenge killer role).
Lilligant and Vileplume is also a really good deck, but similar with Bulbasaur and Lilligant if you don’t get your Lilligant set up fast then it will be hard for you to power up your Vileplumes
I've been labbing Arbok/Pidgeot because I think it's really fun to play and I want to optomize it, and I've found that Aerodactyl is a great partner for it. The lockdown/switching is a nightmare for opponets to deal with when it sets up, and Aero is really good at putting pressure on opponents when the setup pieces aren't coming together just right.
How the game treats my opponents: Here! Every card you need will be given on every turn! It'll be so perfect you won't even have cards in hand! How the game treats me: hey watch me give you your pokemon's stages in reverse
I wouldn't play Alakazam with Gardevoir because it's way too much setup with two stage two evolutions. Hypno needs way too much energy to attack, as you need to build up Alakazam on the bench. 50% chance on Sleep is cool, but it's important to have an early damage output to prepare everything for the Alakazam sweep. The best Alakazam decks in my opinion run either Clefable, Weezing or Kangaskhan. They don't need much energy to attack, are relatively easy to get on the field and are bulky enough to stall a few turns. Weezing needs a slot for Koga of course and dual energy is risky, but the payoff can be great. Clefable doing 40 damage for 1 energy chips a lot of bulky mons into range for Alakazam, my preferred choice right now for sure. Clefable can easily retreat, no need to have a Koga on your hand at the right time. Another small benefit is the fact that Clefable doesn't share a type weakness with Alakazam. Kangaskhan has got the benefit of being a basic card, but its damage output is luck dependent.
I run a Melmetal and Pidgeot deck with Mawile and I can consistently beat both Mewtwo and Pikachu. Mawile can stall by getting lucky with energy removals and chip damage while setting up and Pidgeot can make them waste even more energy with swaps as well as hit decently hard if needed to finish out a game. It's nice because there's no EX so using Mawile or an extra basic as sacrifices to buy 1 more turn to bring Melmetal online can win the game. Plus having Pidgeotto be a stage 1 that only requires 1 energy makes it an okay pick for going first and helps balance the deck for either going first or second, which I think is a huge part of the strategy of this game. Most decks just want to go second, but having those early stage 1's that can do their attacks on 1 energy, like Exeggutor EX, really mitigates the weakness of going first.
lol I’ve been running cruel with frostmoth. It devastates everything besides pikachu and if I come online fast enough with frostmoth I can win that too.
Dragonite + Blastoise EX is so much fun. Run it with 2 Misty’s, for stack up on water energy for Blastoise, while the rest goes to dragonite. Snorlax as the buffer, and also Tentacriel as buffer/taking out 1 pokemon. After that usually either dragonite or Blastoise is good to go
Try Marowak Wiggly! I started experimenting with it and it's way better than it should be. I think what works so well is that you can play it as it lies. You're not hunting for specific cards, you're more like "oh, the RNG Gods gave me Marowak this game so that's what I'm doing" or "oh, this will be a Wiggly game." In a meta where we don't have much power over our remaining cards, a deck that just goes one way or the other feels really good.
I run machamp ex/primeape. It can consistently hit 100 by turn 2 or 120 by turn 3 with zero gimmicks. To me its a solid high A tier. It beats pikachu ex and wheezing/arbok due to their fighting weakness. It can outpace mewtwo despite its psychic weakness. It only loses to charizard ex/moltres ex only if moltres gets lucky. If moltres flips tails then machamp ex/primeape will outpace it. And it beats any non-bird normal types that take up space in decks due to how common fighting weakness is.
Today I played somebody using an arbok Pidgeot deck. Pidgeot blows a certain pokémon into the active role and then arbok locks them in. It was really cool and I don't see Pidgeot getting talked about at all!
Damn the gengar slander is crazy. I beat almost any deck with my gengar/gardeviour except for the crazy fast decks like EX starmie! Wouldn’t call this combo a slow deck, I’d say mid range in speed if that makes any sense lol
Honestly the Weezing Arbok has been amazing to run. The only time I feel miserable is when I can't stop a Venu deck for the life of me. Poison + Arbok isn't enough most of the time to stop the Venu from building up. And even when I force the Venu with Sabrina, I can't take it out before it gets the energy it needs to start nuking my poison team. Everyone else though, they all feel manageable, even the Fighting decks. Forcing the opponent to take poison chip damage and Arbok's consistent dmg is insane, even more insane is that I can even force the KO by sacrificing one of my Arboks for the sake of inflicting the "Can't retreat" debuff to make sure the opponent does go down to Weezing's poison and hit since he only takes 1 energy to attack. It specifically deals well against Pika (Arbok can easily ko the bench fodder early with Sabrina or ensure the Pika goes down with raw dmg + lockdown or Poison + lockdown) and Mewtwo (bc weakness and Arbok's lockdown) which is the major reason I liked it so much on this event. The moment I see a Leaf icon on the opponent's Energy generator, I already become mighty tempted to Concede Turn 1 lol I just can't deal with those thicc dmg sponges that outheal my poison and my Arbok dmg.
@@nova1153 100% agree. I love my Arbok and wheezing deck. And if I get board I will run Arbok/ Pigeotto which is really good against grass but it's tough against the Pikachu decks. I love Arbok I just hope we can get a full art soon.
Running into a Venasaur convinced me to run a single Grimer and Muk. Weezing Koga into Muk allows for a burst damage of 130 and you still have a mon with 130 hp and a 70 damage attack. You do lose a little bit of consistency in setting up your game but having a way to deal damage to high health high attack ex pokemon really makes the deck feel a lot safer going against a lot of strong unexpected picks.
I got lucky enough to pull the golden Mewtwo Ex almost right away when installing the game. My now almost complete Mewtwo deck is pretty unstoppable. I didn't even think about baby mewtwo as a shield. I will have to pick that one up! I have to say the deck that usually beats me is the quick draw articuno ex. It's really hard to ramp up my damage in time to counter this build.
I definitely think Weezing-Muk does not deserve to be that much lower than Weezing-Arbok, let alone lower than Weezing-Wigglytuff. Especially considering the best way to play Weezing is with both Arbok and Muk. If you look at the tops or first place finishes with the Koga Weezing deck, most of them are playing Muk because it is surprisingly good. Charizard Ex should also 100% be higher and in the A tier. It is definitely the best deck after Mewtwo and Pikachu. Great list overall!
Personally running x2 Venusaur EX line, x2 Lilligent line, and x1 Exeggutor EX line. 12 total poke cards but it gives you two routes for steam rolling, with Venu as the late game anchor.
I use a Marowak Ex - Marowak normal - Sandslash - Hitmonlee deck. Sandslash, Hitmonlee and Marowak normal offers heavy initial damage while I use Marowak Ex to clean up.
Since I still did not hit guardevoir, charizard or Pikachu after drawing 700cards, I still have to play some alternatives. My favourite so far is Blaine aggro or a alakazam with chansey. Especially the second one feels super strong since Alakazam counters almost every EX Pokémon. Knogga seems to be the biggest counter.
Im so sad that I missed the Lapras event and missed out on promo mankey… I really want to make a primeape deck. I hope we will be able to get older promo cards in the future
Funnily Enough even though the Mextwo EX and Gardevoir deck is rather nasty and maybe the best deck as implied in this tier list, I think is a rather honest deck, because it doesn't even involve RNG, Pikachu EX has Zapdos coin based attack, is not exactly the point of the strategy but it can work as a back up plan and a desperate move if you're trying to hit 150 or 200 damage, Venusaur EX has Exeggutor EX coin flips, Charizard EX has Moltres EX con flips and all water decks use Misty
I just have to wonder: Is Grapploct viable? Being able to repeatedly force the opponent to switch out as a stage 1 seems like a really useful ability for a good amount of these decks.
I feel everyone is sleeping on centiskorch. He comes online faster than charizard, being just a stage 1 and needing way less energy to start the sweep; he kills pikachu, starmie and zapdos w no effort, and paired with Giovanni can get surprise kills also on the other 2 legendary birds. Just because is cheaper than charizard that doesn't mean he is necessary worse, i'd say he is at least on par with zard due to his faster setup and i can see arguments for him being even better than the starter.
I hear you about Dragonite -- if you use two lines dragonite cards, and two BASIC Articunos, you can play 2 misty cards -- i know it doesn't solve the energy problem, but it creates many more opportunities to get the energy you need
*Dragonite is my favorite deck currently with my only problem is its slow to get started and the inconsistency of cards in your hand & Dragonite's damage.*
My Marowak/Golbat meta killer deck has been popping off pretty consistently. Been beating a lot of other decks fairly easily as well.. Never underestimate a team full of 1 cost retreats
Nice video! I think one of the best deck right now is arcanine ex, charizard ex and moltres ex. Charizard is good against mewtwo and arcanine is good against pikachu which offers flexibility in the deck and i saw this deck doing great in tournament
Regarding non EX decks a strong benefit is needing to faint 3 pokemon. You get a lot more room to play to win when you can stall for a couple turns longer that EX decks don't often get.
Melmetal is heavily underrated here, i used mel-wiggly deck to climb half of the event, while it isnt as good as mew-gard or pika-zap it can still folded several char-mol or pika-rai, great offense and also great defense with -20 dmg, it should be at least lower A or upper B
I went with the Kangaskhan/Jynx mewtwo deck over the baby mewtwo. Kinda enjoyed it more. Felt more adaptable to aggro decks and more punishing early on.
My charizard/moltres/arcanine deck has been doing very well. You can consistently get either charizard or arcanine online and both do well against pikachu/mewtwo. Charizard in particular destroys mewtwo after a few good coin flips with moltres
I think the energy system should be changed. Start the odds at an even split between the energy types you have (50/50, 33/33/33) and then based on what energy you get, the next energy will be altered odds, at a rate of -10% for the energy you already received, with that percentage then split among the other energy evenly. So, the second pull will be 60-40, in favor of the energy you didn't get, then 70-30, 80-20, 90-10, too eventually be a guarantee for the other type you need. By the 6th energy, you will be guaranteed to get the other type and then the odds start swinging back the other way in increments of ten.
That and just being able to choose percentages on how much of each energy you want. Maybe I want 75% of 1 energy and 25% of the other and not a 50/50 split. Or maybe I want 60/20/20. Right now it's impossible to mix more than 2 and mixing 2 is already a huge handicap by itself.
@@jokerthefool_1120C*. It's a bit gimmicky and very prone to Sabrina. Especially since it tries to go for early aggression but can't really do so since its too reliant on small, early chip damage, which can be countered by potion.
I would argue that its easier to find 2 mana and 3 benched pokemon + 2 turns for the pikachu deck (180 dmg), than it is to find ralts, evolve into kirlia (2 cards out of 19), then gardevoir (2 cards out of 18), i think by the time you get to a early gardivoir you end up with about 10 cards left in your deck (turn 4), this is factoring cards like poke ball for mewtwo, oak, early potion, maybe an x speed being used, so basically what im saying is that if you dont hit ralts/kirlia/gardevoir within your first 10 cards out of 20, you are in a losing position to the pikachu deck, but its pretty close imo
No the difference is that Pika with 100% perfect draws the whole game still has lots of counterplay potential. Whereas Mewtwo with a Gardevoir curve in hand is a straight up 100% guaranteed auto-win, except mayyybe against Articuno EX turn 1 triple head misty (but even THAT'S somehow an auto-loss for the Articuno EX player if you lead with a non-EX Mewtwo as a wall). Statistically, every deck has an equal chance to draw their perfect ideal starting hand, but Mewtwo is the only deck where it's a guaranteed auto-win.
I would move arbok/pidgeot up at least a tier. It has a good matchup against the mewtwo and pikachu decks ive been running into on ladder. Being able to kill gardevoir and pikachu's bench are so useful in those matchups, and not alot of decks are great at doing that
I actually use Nido deck with 2 Arboks and surprisingly it shuts down Mewtwo Ex really often. Numerous times I've stopped it going far after pretty much trading 1 loss of an Arbok to take down a Mewtwo Ex even when they get Gardevoir up and running. And if I get Nidoking or Nidoqueen going they are done for. Nidoking can already one-shot a non-ex Mewtwo and Gardevoir. Nidorino can survive 1 Psychic Sphere, then Nidorino Horn Attack into Nidoking Poison Jab can wipe out Mewtwo Ex as well. I think I would rather double up on Nidokings instead of using Queen but I don't have the cards for it.
Unfortunately, the energy distribution system atm favours single energy decks. If they changed it to alternate energy system (turn 1- energy A, turn 2- energy B and it repeats) then itll be a gamechanger in the meta
Not sure about Mewtwo being a whole tier above Pikachu and Starmie (with no disrespect intended, love Mewtwo and def using it more than the two I mentioned, maybe it's bias because I get to see less of the downsides of these decks), absolutely LOVE the Arbok/Weezing respect though, an absolutely monstruous deck with few genuinely bad matchups (mostly just Venusaur), it's my main deck used! Good tier list honestly.
Starmie has zero retreat and needs just two energy and that can make it an insta game killer early on. I feel like it gets worse later in game while mewtwo is the opposite. They should at least be in same tier imo
All there really needs to be added to make the Meta Healthy as hell are good Steel and Dark Ex. THe dark puts mewtwo in its place early and Metal would just be interesting with something to play.
Umbreon EX with PokePower disabling all other PokePowers would be amazing. And maybe Steelix EX with PokePower that caps damage done to it to 60 or something. It'd be two good ways IMO to cleanly balance Mewtwo without having to resort to nerfs.
Dragonite with tentacrule and arcticuno (non ex) and misty is a fun deck, but still in consistent. Ive seen some people use dragonite with eeevee vapreon jolteon combo so your energy never goes to waste.
@@shammersanonymous no need for tentacruel -- Articuno alone is enough (can also run a fossil for Sabrina protection). I've played A LOT of Dragonite and Dragonite + Reg Articuno has had the best results. Dragonite + Weezing has been next best.
My of meda decks I've been having a lot of fun with are executor ex Beedrill deck really aggressive with 1 energy attacks, wheezing Alakazam, primate marowak ex, and adding Pidgeot to the arbok wheezing deck.
You gotta have the Mawile's in there too. Only thing that helps you stall and chip them early so you can get you Pidgeot and Melmetal online. Sucks having to drop 2 trainers, but it's much more consistent imo.
i'm glad you put Primeape at A. ive been running Onix/Primeape and the ability to get online quick with promo Mankey and Brocks for Onix has given me multiple long winning streaks. Primeape can KO Pika EX in one shot and it hits anything weak to fighting hard. you can run various other mons to type coverage, like a single Heliolisk or Mienshao, or two Farfetch'd or Kanga for fast neutral damage
I am running Charizard EX with Rapidash. It is cool because on a quick match you can just use Charuzard slash and Rapidsh 1 energy move. In a slow game. Use Rapidash to tank and pump up energy to Charizard. The logoc behind In a fast game. Setting for charizard takes a lot of time. Moltres EX flipping for energy allowed your oppient to damage your mons. In a slow game. Rapidash aggression is nit enough. But because both of you play the long game, you have time to build your charizard naturally without energy acceration.
Honestly just play Moltres in that deck too, at least as a 1 of, it gives you more options. I really like the Rapidash in the Charizard deck because it's a good turn 1 when you're going first and want to go fast, but you can't beat the Moltres setup when you don't need to go fast.
I would switch Charizard Moltres with Veno Exec. I would say Exec and Lilligant version are much closer to each other in effectiveness, probably Exec edges out Lilligant a little bit but it's not far off.
You could put starmie and exeggutor cards on s! It would be cool to understand better the meta. I mean, Ithink it would be true and it felt like you were saying it in some ways.
my favorite deck is dragonite weezing because dragonite is my favorite pokemon! the deck takes its time with matches though, a pretty scummy deck I've found that makes for very quick games is articuno ex/greninja. It sort of parallels with Mewtwo since it consists of a basic ex DPS and a stage 2 support but with misty for energy acceleration instead. of course, the articuno and starmie combo is hard to beat but the game has not given me any starmie exs.
Very fun Caterpie Venu deck: 2 Caterpie 1 Metapod 1 Butterfree 1 Bulbasaur 1 Ivysaur 1 Venu Ex 2 Erika 2 Sabrina 2 Oak 2 Pokéball 2 XSpeed 2 Potion 1 Fossil Prioritize Find a Friend, try getting maximum healing with heals, go for defensive Sabrinas to buy time!
@@JelloTricks I am your biggest nightmare. I got 6 heads 9energy garados. Enemy was flabbergasted. He got the mew tew deck but his gardevoir wasn’t going.
Never lost to misty enjoyers so far. Theyre funny to play against esp when they play two misty in a row and drew 0 on each cards 😂 They just concede automatically 😂
What about Alakazam / Weezing? I've been running it for the whole PvP even if pretty good success. It has a good matchup against Mewtwo, Dragonite, Charizard, Venusaur (most versions), Blastoise (basically all decks that rely on a Pokemon with a lot of energy). You have a disadvantage against Pikachu (especially the Raichu version), but the matchup is still winnable. It absolutely dies to Exeggutor and Starmie, but they are a bit less common from my experience.
What is your favorite deck right now?
@@spragelsPocket 2 ex exeggcutor only. Idk. Kinda funny, got the idea after 18 trainers ex arctos
Arbok / Weezing has been my favourite deck to play, for sure. Good enough to compete with top decks, but only if you actually play it well and don't miss things (ie forgetting to Poison a new Active from the opponent before using a Koga) and you're still weak to a fast setup from the top lists. Blaine is probably my second favourite of the decks I have put together, with Venusaur EX solidly third.
Rapidash Ninetails for sure, it's so fun to play
Swoobat + Jynx
@spragelsPocket Melmetal, for sure
Opponents Articuno Misty: GOD TIER
My Articuno Misty: T Tier, T for tails
@@ItsLuke2357 hahah literally, I got tricked. My first time ever using it I got 9 heads in a row and I was like oh this is gonna be dope. Never have gone past two since
@@hectorrivera5416 oh my god dude I fought someone who flipped heads 6 and still lost I was lowkey holding onto everything after that misty pull since it was like move 12
@@starryradiofm worst actual deck I have ever made was based around Articuno ex . Pure luck.
I have never one a match using Articuno ex
@@vincentebanks3464 oh yeah definitely luck based especially with the pikachu meta around rn
hhhhhaahhhhha😂😂😂😂
Its either mewtwo gets going and wins or pikachu gets going earlier and wins.
Just get 2 Giovanni and exeggcutor.
R1 Attack for 30 with eggs r2 attack for 90 with exeggcutor and W
Sure
Story of tcg pocket right now 😂😂😂
Am I the only one who finds pikachu to not be opressive? 90 damage isnt a lot, even ninetails can do it
@@upbeyond671 it’s because the game is new and most folks don’t have a huge card pool so everyone is attracted to the same decks. It another month people will have access to more cards so the meta will evolve
I've been running Charizard EX Moltres EX and I honestly think it is A tier at worst. It has a very solid match up into Mewtwo EX and can beat Pika EX with decent enough draw. I run 2 Old Ambers for Sabrina bait and one Aerodactyl which comes in clutch to stall a few turns when trying to get Zard up. I think the deck is a little underrated.
@@RedeemedSteve I’ve been running that deck too, and I agree that it’s underrated. I haven’t tried using aerodactyl though, that’s a good idea
@@RedeemedSteve char,molt,arcanine is doing very well in tournaments matches up well against both pika and mewtwo decks
@TheCognitiveDissident I literally just won a mirror match my using Aerodactyl to shuffle the opponent's Charizard into his deck. I also flipped heads 4 times and won without doing damage lol, but just that first flip was enough to basically kill all that deck's momentum. It works well when they only have 1 Mewtwo EX or Articuno EX or something beefy on the field.
@@RedeemedSteve The new meme is adding 1 growlithe and 2 Arcanine. Charizard continues to be super strong against Mewtwo, but Arcanine is a quicker option that eats Pikachu, or helps out when you're having trouble getting Charizard going. Had some very good results in a couple big tournaments over the weekend.
@@RedeemedSteve Dang, sounds pretty rad! Now I guess I just need to pull an Aerodactyl lol
Personally hoping the mini set adds the Elite 4 as Supporters. Lorelei would probably buff Lapras, Bruno Machamp, Agatha Gengar, and finally Lance Dragonite.
@@GaNSiNaTeR ooooh. This
Dragonite doesn't need a buff
@@addy5572 Dragonite needs a consistency buff. Whether adding more energy or making sure you have the correct energy, it needs help
@@davidpearce4353 but thats the gimmick of the card. If it where to get energy more consistently then that would be crazy op I feel
@@Katlgraczyk he would be stronger, but he still needs that gimmick of having protection, and even then as soon as you bring in a pokemon on that hits the bench the deck is thrown out the window, it still take at least 4 turns to set up if you have the full line. You then still have to get lucky with hoping the attack hits everything you need. He’s strong, very strong, but he has a lot of counter play that can’t really be countered back. I’m a dragonite main btw, so I might just be glazing a bit. lol.
D tier is reserved for Ditto
ooooooo good point
The ditto memorial tier
ditto would be cool if you only needed the amount of energy, not the same type. Needing same type makes it pretty uselesd
@@chavaspada Cant you shuffle it in to your Mewtu-EX Deck?Aslong you play against a non Mewtu deck, you still are in a fortunate position (meta) and when you play against a Mewtu deck, you could get an advantage.
@@Leon玲央 you probably can but it's really not ideal, you would need to add all the energy manually since it's not a psychic card I think it can't get energy from gardevoir
mewtwo+ gardevoir pops up, meanwhile me and my weezing + alakazam deck, i smirk
Only thing I run now. Only time it's bad for me is if I'm stuck not evolving my abra early or if the game gives me 6 darkness energys in a row so my Alakazam can't attack. The other 80% of the time the deck is so fun
@UhDewSea yes indeed , I have found great fun in defensive decks that can sleep , paralyze and poison , frosmoth + Dragonite it's another evil deck to run
Only fun deck to run in the game tbh, you can do so many good comebacks. It also depends on how dumb your opponent is, if they are smart they won't start over committing to putting energy to their ace
What other cards do you run? Just standard 2x sabrina or do you have like a giovanni in there or something?
@chiimchauu 1 Sabrina , no Giovannis , red card , 2 oaks , 2 potions 2 pokeballs, 2 koga
Nice tier list but in my opinion Charirzard ex deck is A. im running it incomplete (without 1 moltres ex) and im winning more than using a complete Venusaur/Exeguttor ex deck.
You also have to factor in how much fire is out there (Charizard, blaine, and now arcanine ex) that grass decks cant survive. But when Venusaur/Exeggutor actually has great matchup against Pikachu and Water decks, and it can pressure Mewtwo decks as well.
Charizard/arcanine/moltres is S tier, counters everything
@@taylorjames14But with bad start it's insta surrender.....you can't make a comeback like other decks
It definetly is high A or even low S. Now there's a new deck combination of charizard + Arcanine that can counter mewtwo and pikachu it's really good
Missing only one moltres ex too, can you share your deck maybe?:)
Nice to see a tier list acknowledging how good Weezing Arbok is. It's really well positioned to take out Mew decks and Arbok deals with Pikachu really well.
Favorite deck right now is Rapidash/Nintails. Fast and hits hard and either wins early or lose on the spot. Enjoying it right now for it gets through games rather quick and might be my choice for a rank deck if rank is ever to come.
Rank is not coming
@@prestigeicathius4660 dude I've been running it for 2 days, definitely my favorite right now. Getting Ninetails round 2 or even just Rapidash Baline round 2 can really set you up for the win.
I’d pay attention to the point system. That will probably replace rank/decide tournament invites if they ever happen is my guess.
I really like starmie with 2 farfetch'd and 1 articuno. Farfetch'd puts consistent early damage, especially if you go 2nd, and can let you get starmie or articuno set up.
And you can also pivot between starmie and farfetchd super easily. You can attack with farfetch'd, tank a hit on 2 energy mewtwo, pivot to starmie and get 90 off to preserve farfetch'd, and then pivot back to farfetch'd to get another attack off and save yourself 1 point. Thats 170 damage without much risk.
It can be a little inconsistent in getting ko's having mons pivot out with 10-20 hp left is very common. Thats where articuno comes in.
I've been running it a lot to really good success
I'd argue that Pika/Raichu should also be S, and is arguably better than Pika/Zap, on the account of the Raichu variant having a more favorable matchup vs. Mewtwo and a more balanced machup spread overall.
One thing to note is that Raichu variants still play Zapdos ex; they just have 2x of the Raichu line, 1-2x Surge, and an optional 7th basic lighting mon in the form of Pincurchin or baby Zapdos. You build Pika and Zap first like normal while keeping a Raichu in the back line, then switch into it for a big swing if 100 power isn't enough for a 1-shot, with Surge guaranteeing that Raichu is topped off for 1-2 swings.
I was searching for somebody saying that
doesnt raichu discard all attached energy, how can you be topped off for 2 swings?
@@draco4450 yes but you can re-use energy from near-ko pokemon with surge and raichi is here for ohko only or switch place immediatly after
What's a baby zapdos or baby mewtwo?
@@draco4450I use magneton to fix that and they act as bench for pikachu ex too. The decks can have low retreat costs that allow you to play around too so it’s not always a last resort.
Love my 2 line Arcanine ex deck, with 2 Moltres and a Zard line. When you include 2 X speed & 2 Gio's, there's a lot of maneuvering that can be done to get the right pokemon set up! Favorite/ most consistent deck for me atm! Plus Arcanine is my favorite Pokemon!
ive been playing a metal deck recently and love it, using mawile to just keep removing energy, using sabrina to force them into pokemon they wanna power up on their bench, all the while my meltan is powering up for melmetal.
tbh i really really hope the mini set balances out the meta. if we get a decent ex for dark and steel the meta would be healthy as all hell.
I use dragonite with dodrio and a farfetch'd, the early damage dealers with one energy are so good at softening up the opponent's bench for a draco meteor finish, and the offense is a good defense, my opponents often spend energy switching definitely giving dragonite time to power up.
I tried this, but I kept having problems because of all the Basic cards reducing my chances of getting a Dratini. I ended up taking them out and putting in 2 non-EX Articunos and 2 Misty's. It doesn't solve the Dratini problem but at least this way I can either get lucky and power up Articuno (with Misty) for quick wins, power up Dragonite for late wins, or if I get unlucky I can use 1 Dragonite to stall while building the other Dragonite or a Articuno. That is, if I can actually get the Energy Gods on my side so I get the energy I need xD
@@Pyrogecko08 Just play dragonite with meowth guys
Hello! Loving the tier list so far, although I would argue that Dragonite Weezing is a solid deck. I’ve been running it for about a week now and it’s pretty strong once Dragonite is set. weezing does a decent amount of pressure especially when set with an energy. Also against the Metew S tier it’s a solid counter.
Alakazam + Weezing is really solid, definitely the best Alakazam Deck imo. Also scored pretty high in a tournament 👌🏼
Agreed. It's A Tier at worst. I win 7 or 8 times out of 10.
@@renehartmann1116 where is this tournament everyone speaks off I wanna join. Is it the event where we get the crown emblems. If not then where is this tournament section in the game thank you
@@LunaKuartiX There is no in game function right now. But you can check out Ursiiday's Pocket Weekly
With or without dark energy? Because when i dont run it weezing is literally a stool. When i use it i get energy screwed
@@AzoiatheCobra With Dark energy because Alakazam only needs one Psychic energy. This way Weezing often can get an early knockout 👍🏼
I want to see a MukEX, so Weezing can get like, a “real poison deck” going
ive rly been enjoying this Gengar/Wheezing control deck:
having wheezing stall out the game for me to build up my gengar and hopfully making all enemies low enough for gengar to one shot them when he eventurally comes online, also his ability is rly nice with making enemies unable to use support cards
Lilligant+ Venosaur is my main deck, I’ve finished all the battle tasks and event missions with it. Still need to get my hands on the eggxecutor ex cards to make that unbreakable egg deck.
I have no tournament data to back this up, but the best off-meta deck I've piloted is Victreebell. I play with regular Exeggutor and one Scyther.
It doesn't have any big OKOs, but the lines of play feel really smooth and the aggression of exeggutor helps any grass deck.
I play with a victreebel pidgeot sabrina deck that has garnered some decent results. I also have lilligant as a starter in there too to supply energy for grass types
came to pocket from marvel snap and HOLY do I have more fun here. thx for the tier list. really helps me decide which packs/decks to go for
I've had a a great time using 2 Articuno non-ex in my Dragonite deck. With two Misty they come online fairly often, but the 100hp off the rip and 1 retreat cost makes it feel smoother than Weezing.
My go to deck has been articuno greninja. Terrible into pikachu most of the time (unless misty pulls through) but its great at stopping gardevoir early on
I run a Starmie EX/Gyarados/Farfetch'd deck and it has been doing tons of work. Getting lucky with Misty flips on Gyarados early on can really hinder Mewtwo and other energy hungry decks while Starmie and Farfetch'd put a timer on the other setup heavy decks. The only issues I really run into are Pikachu EX decks that are drawing well and the occasional poor start against Arbok decks but otherwise it can really run over a big chunk of the meta.
I'd love they add a "Pokemon breeder" supporter card (to be able to play directly a stage 2 on a basic). Idk if that would make a new tier 0, it's even very scary with Gardevoir but it would make all the stage 2 feel much more playable.
@@ulamgexe7442 that should be rare candy like in the regular tcg and I guess it will come soon
@@marcocrespo8698 The original version of rare candy was Pokemon breeder.
@@crazysquriel oh I didn’t play that edition but it sounds about right rather than rare candy
@@marcocrespo8698 Yeah, I'm kind of showing my age. It was base set. I was like 6 when Pokemon tcg became a thing. Still remember pulling that Charizard out of my first 5 packs. Those were some good times.
I play jolteon and flareon decks. Super underrated.
A easy, cheap, and effective deck I found was bruxish greninja deck.
Only difficulty you will face is not drawing the greninja line up.
Sure the damage still caps in 90, and 110 if you smh got 2 greninja set up, but if you are new, and poor, and don’t have some bs water card with 130 hp that whips 90 for 2 energy and smh don’t require energy to retreat, it’s a good alternative.
Bro, thus is insane. Weezing arbok is what im using. I just started 2 days ago and this is what I built making my deck from packs. Cool game tbh. Love that everyone is running this too.
I personally have had a lot of fun with Alakazam/Greninja (with Kangaskhan as a low cost wall), and I might argue it warrants a bump up to B Tier. It's one of the few dual energy decks that actually seems to work since both the Abra line and the Froakie line are very agnostic when it comes to energy requirements. In the meta that is so heavily dominated by EX decks, having a deck that is single-point Pokemon is underrated IMO because you're essentially having a 3 vs 2 in your favor. Alakazam is an excellent revenge killer and Greninja's chip damage with Water Shuriken can score some cheeky bench to bench KOs, or be just enough for Alakazam to KO. Yes, it does depend on a good draw because Alakazam needs time to get set up, but once it's ready, it can be pretty scary (Also, it's better than one would think against Charizard EX, because I've seen a number of Charizard players try to load Charizard up with 5+ energy instead of 4 so that they can use Crimson Storm twice in a row, meaning that Alakazam will more reliably KO Charizard in its revenge killer role).
Lilligant and Vileplume is also a really good deck, but similar with Bulbasaur and Lilligant if you don’t get your Lilligant set up fast then it will be hard for you to power up your Vileplumes
I've been labbing Arbok/Pidgeot because I think it's really fun to play and I want to optomize it, and I've found that Aerodactyl is a great partner for it. The lockdown/switching is a nightmare for opponets to deal with when it sets up, and Aero is really good at putting pressure on opponents when the setup pieces aren't coming together just right.
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I love my dragonite in noex mode. Btw would love to see a noex tier list 😊
How the game treats my opponents: Here! Every card you need will be given on every turn! It'll be so perfect you won't even have cards in hand!
How the game treats me: hey watch me give you your pokemon's stages in reverse
I wouldn't play Alakazam with Gardevoir because it's way too much setup with two stage two evolutions. Hypno needs way too much energy to attack, as you need to build up Alakazam on the bench. 50% chance on Sleep is cool, but it's important to have an early damage output to prepare everything for the Alakazam sweep.
The best Alakazam decks in my opinion run either Clefable, Weezing or Kangaskhan. They don't need much energy to attack, are relatively easy to get on the field and are bulky enough to stall a few turns. Weezing needs a slot for Koga of course and dual energy is risky, but the payoff can be great. Clefable doing 40 damage for 1 energy chips a lot of bulky mons into range for Alakazam, my preferred choice right now for sure. Clefable can easily retreat, no need to have a Koga on your hand at the right time. Another small benefit is the fact that Clefable doesn't share a type weakness with Alakazam. Kangaskhan has got the benefit of being a basic card, but its damage output is luck dependent.
I run a Melmetal and Pidgeot deck with Mawile and I can consistently beat both Mewtwo and Pikachu. Mawile can stall by getting lucky with energy removals and chip damage while setting up and Pidgeot can make them waste even more energy with swaps as well as hit decently hard if needed to finish out a game. It's nice because there's no EX so using Mawile or an extra basic as sacrifices to buy 1 more turn to bring Melmetal online can win the game. Plus having Pidgeotto be a stage 1 that only requires 1 energy makes it an okay pick for going first and helps balance the deck for either going first or second, which I think is a huge part of the strategy of this game. Most decks just want to go second, but having those early stage 1's that can do their attacks on 1 energy, like Exeggutor EX, really mitigates the weakness of going first.
What about the charizard, moltres arcanine deck, it got a 12 win streak in a tournament
I've been smashing with Tentacruel + Articuno (non-EX). Surprised not to see the salty squid on this list...
lol I’ve been running cruel with frostmoth. It devastates everything besides pikachu and if I come online fast enough with frostmoth I can win that too.
Dragonite + Blastoise EX is so much fun. Run it with 2 Misty’s, for stack up on water energy for Blastoise, while the rest goes to dragonite. Snorlax as the buffer, and also Tentacriel as buffer/taking out 1 pokemon. After that usually either dragonite or Blastoise is good to go
Try Marowak Wiggly! I started experimenting with it and it's way better than it should be.
I think what works so well is that you can play it as it lies. You're not hunting for specific cards, you're more like "oh, the RNG Gods gave me Marowak this game so that's what I'm doing" or "oh, this will be a Wiggly game."
In a meta where we don't have much power over our remaining cards, a deck that just goes one way or the other feels really good.
I run machamp ex/primeape. It can consistently hit 100 by turn 2 or 120 by turn 3 with zero gimmicks. To me its a solid high A tier. It beats pikachu ex and wheezing/arbok due to their fighting weakness. It can outpace mewtwo despite its psychic weakness. It only loses to charizard ex/moltres ex only if moltres gets lucky. If moltres flips tails then machamp ex/primeape will outpace it. And it beats any non-bird normal types that take up space in decks due to how common fighting weakness is.
Machamp/Onyx has been wracking up Ws for me as well. Super slept on
Today I played somebody using an arbok Pidgeot deck. Pidgeot blows a certain pokémon into the active role and then arbok locks them in. It was really cool and I don't see Pidgeot getting talked about at all!
It's a 2nd stage with I believe 70x2 it's great support. But the build up is usually difficult and pidgi is super weak 10x1.
Damn the gengar slander is crazy. I beat almost any deck with my gengar/gardeviour except for the crazy fast decks like EX starmie!
Wouldn’t call this combo a slow deck, I’d say mid range in speed if that makes any sense lol
I’ve been having a lot of success with Blastoise Ex and Frostmoth. A Misty with only one energy is already great on that deck.
Honestly the Weezing Arbok has been amazing to run. The only time I feel miserable is when I can't stop a Venu deck for the life of me. Poison + Arbok isn't enough most of the time to stop the Venu from building up. And even when I force the Venu with Sabrina, I can't take it out before it gets the energy it needs to start nuking my poison team. Everyone else though, they all feel manageable, even the Fighting decks. Forcing the opponent to take poison chip damage and Arbok's consistent dmg is insane, even more insane is that I can even force the KO by sacrificing one of my Arboks for the sake of inflicting the "Can't retreat" debuff to make sure the opponent does go down to Weezing's poison and hit since he only takes 1 energy to attack. It specifically deals well against Pika (Arbok can easily ko the bench fodder early with Sabrina or ensure the Pika goes down with raw dmg + lockdown or Poison + lockdown) and Mewtwo (bc weakness and Arbok's lockdown) which is the major reason I liked it so much on this event.
The moment I see a Leaf icon on the opponent's Energy generator, I already become mighty tempted to Concede Turn 1 lol
I just can't deal with those thicc dmg sponges that outheal my poison and my Arbok dmg.
@@nova1153 100% agree. I love my Arbok and wheezing deck. And if I get board I will run Arbok/ Pigeotto which is really good against grass but it's tough against the Pikachu decks. I love Arbok I just hope we can get a full art soon.
Running into a Venasaur convinced me to run a single Grimer and Muk. Weezing Koga into Muk allows for a burst damage of 130 and you still have a mon with 130 hp and a 70 damage attack. You do lose a little bit of consistency in setting up your game but having a way to deal damage to high health high attack ex pokemon really makes the deck feel a lot safer going against a lot of strong unexpected picks.
I got lucky enough to pull the golden Mewtwo Ex almost right away when installing the game. My now almost complete Mewtwo deck is pretty unstoppable. I didn't even think about baby mewtwo as a shield. I will have to pick that one up!
I have to say the deck that usually beats me is the quick draw articuno ex. It's really hard to ramp up my damage in time to counter this build.
I definitely think Weezing-Muk does not deserve to be that much lower than Weezing-Arbok, let alone lower than Weezing-Wigglytuff. Especially considering the best way to play Weezing is with both Arbok and Muk. If you look at the tops or first place finishes with the Koga Weezing deck, most of them are playing Muk because it is surprisingly good.
Charizard Ex should also 100% be higher and in the A tier. It is definitely the best deck after Mewtwo and Pikachu.
Great list overall!
Personally running x2 Venusaur EX line, x2 Lilligent line, and x1 Exeggutor EX line. 12 total poke cards but it gives you two routes for steam rolling, with Venu as the late game anchor.
I use a Marowak Ex - Marowak normal - Sandslash - Hitmonlee deck. Sandslash, Hitmonlee and Marowak normal offers heavy initial damage while I use Marowak Ex to clean up.
Since I still did not hit guardevoir, charizard or Pikachu after drawing 700cards, I still have to play some alternatives. My favourite so far is Blaine aggro or a alakazam with chansey. Especially the second one feels super strong since Alakazam counters almost every EX Pokémon. Knogga seems to be the biggest counter.
I've been having fun playing Machamp/Onyx. I only have 1 machamp ex but regular champ does enough work as a sub.
Im so sad that I missed the Lapras event and missed out on promo mankey… I really want to make a primeape deck. I hope we will be able to get older promo cards in the future
Funnily Enough even though the Mextwo EX and Gardevoir deck is rather nasty and maybe the best deck as implied in this tier list, I think is a rather honest deck, because it doesn't even involve RNG, Pikachu EX has Zapdos coin based attack, is not exactly the point of the strategy but it can work as a back up plan and a desperate move if you're trying to hit 150 or 200 damage, Venusaur EX has Exeggutor EX coin flips, Charizard EX has Moltres EX con flips and all water decks use Misty
I did the 45 wins with chatixard and Moltres. Also got several wins with eggsecutor.
I just have to wonder: Is Grapploct viable? Being able to repeatedly force the opponent to switch out as a stage 1 seems like a really useful ability for a good amount of these decks.
I feel everyone is sleeping on centiskorch. He comes online faster than charizard, being just a stage 1 and needing way less energy to start the sweep; he kills pikachu, starmie and zapdos w no effort, and paired with Giovanni can get surprise kills also on the other 2 legendary birds. Just because is cheaper than charizard that doesn't mean he is necessary worse, i'd say he is at least on par with zard due to his faster setup and i can see arguments for him being even better than the starter.
Moltres + centiskorch + arcanine is a good deck to run
I hear you about Dragonite -- if you use two lines dragonite cards, and two BASIC Articunos, you can play 2 misty cards -- i know it doesn't solve the energy problem, but it creates many more opportunities to get the energy you need
*Dragonite is my favorite deck currently with my only problem is its slow to get started and the inconsistency of cards in your hand & Dragonite's damage.*
My Marowak/Golbat meta killer deck has been popping off pretty consistently. Been beating a lot of other decks fairly easily as well.. Never underestimate a team full of 1 cost retreats
Nice video!
I think one of the best deck right now is arcanine ex, charizard ex and moltres ex. Charizard is good against mewtwo and arcanine is good against pikachu which offers flexibility in the deck and i saw this deck doing great in tournament
With Charizardex I consistently beat Mewtwo ex but have a hard time against Pika ex cuz of Moltres getting taken out too quickly
Regarding non EX decks a strong benefit is needing to faint 3 pokemon. You get a lot more room to play to win when you can stall for a couple turns longer that EX decks don't often get.
Melmetal is heavily underrated here, i used mel-wiggly deck to climb half of the event, while it isnt as good as mew-gard or pika-zap it can still folded several char-mol or pika-rai, great offense and also great defense with -20 dmg, it should be at least lower A or upper B
I went with the Kangaskhan/Jynx mewtwo deck over the baby mewtwo. Kinda enjoyed it more. Felt more adaptable to aggro decks and more punishing early on.
what is baby mewtwo?😅
@ lol he uses that term in the video. Its the non ex mewtwo
You have to use melmetal strategically in a water deck. Use it to meat shield while you build blastoise with Misty’s
My charizard/moltres/arcanine deck has been doing very well. You can consistently get either charizard or arcanine online and both do well against pikachu/mewtwo.
Charizard in particular destroys mewtwo after a few good coin flips with moltres
I think the energy system should be changed. Start the odds at an even split between the energy types you have (50/50, 33/33/33) and then based on what energy you get, the next energy will be altered odds, at a rate of -10% for the energy you already received, with that percentage then split among the other energy evenly. So, the second pull will be 60-40, in favor of the energy you didn't get, then 70-30, 80-20, 90-10, too eventually be a guarantee for the other type you need. By the 6th energy, you will be guaranteed to get the other type and then the odds start swinging back the other way in increments of ten.
That and just being able to choose percentages on how much of each energy you want. Maybe I want 75% of 1 energy and 25% of the other and not a 50/50 split. Or maybe I want 60/20/20. Right now it's impossible to mix more than 2 and mixing 2 is already a huge handicap by itself.
Try Greninja, Weezing and Bruxish, it’s super powerful, challenging and really fun playing!
At least B tier
Bruxish is slept on
@@jokerthefool_1120C*. It's a bit gimmicky and very prone to Sabrina. Especially since it tries to go for early aggression but can't really do so since its too reliant on small, early chip damage, which can be countered by potion.
I would argue that its easier to find 2 mana and 3 benched pokemon + 2 turns for the pikachu deck (180 dmg), than it is to find ralts, evolve into kirlia (2 cards out of 19), then gardevoir (2 cards out of 18), i think by the time you get to a early gardivoir you end up with about 10 cards left in your deck (turn 4), this is factoring cards like poke ball for mewtwo, oak, early potion, maybe an x speed being used, so basically what im saying is that if you dont hit ralts/kirlia/gardevoir within your first 10 cards out of 20, you are in a losing position to the pikachu deck, but its pretty close imo
No the difference is that Pika with 100% perfect draws the whole game still has lots of counterplay potential. Whereas Mewtwo with a Gardevoir curve in hand is a straight up 100% guaranteed auto-win, except mayyybe against Articuno EX turn 1 triple head misty (but even THAT'S somehow an auto-loss for the Articuno EX player if you lead with a non-EX Mewtwo as a wall). Statistically, every deck has an equal chance to draw their perfect ideal starting hand, but Mewtwo is the only deck where it's a guaranteed auto-win.
Saw a Greninja/Bruxish/Weezing deck earlier. Whooped me. So cool though
Charizard + moltres + arca9 is now a tier S with the last 1700 people tournament. Finishing first and beating pika and mew2 matchups
Big Venasaur Beedrill deck, underrated af
I would move arbok/pidgeot up at least a tier. It has a good matchup against the mewtwo and pikachu decks ive been running into on ladder. Being able to kill gardevoir and pikachu's bench are so useful in those matchups, and not alot of decks are great at doing that
I've been playing Blastoise double Starmie since day 3 and it's awesome.
I actually use Nido deck with 2 Arboks and surprisingly it shuts down Mewtwo Ex really often. Numerous times I've stopped it going far after pretty much trading 1 loss of an Arbok to take down a Mewtwo Ex even when they get Gardevoir up and running.
And if I get Nidoking or Nidoqueen going they are done for. Nidoking can already one-shot a non-ex Mewtwo and Gardevoir. Nidorino can survive 1 Psychic Sphere, then Nidorino Horn Attack into Nidoking Poison Jab can wipe out Mewtwo Ex as well.
I think I would rather double up on Nidokings instead of using Queen but I don't have the cards for it.
A Nido specific Rare Candy supporter would be perfect
Exeggutor ex and butterfree has been my favorite to play at the moment
Unfortunately, the energy distribution system atm favours single energy decks. If they changed it to alternate energy system (turn 1- energy A, turn 2- energy B and it repeats) then itll be a gamechanger in the meta
Blastoise butterfree is slept on, single articuno ex like the mewtwo tank but with dmg capabilities
Not sure about Mewtwo being a whole tier above Pikachu and Starmie (with no disrespect intended, love Mewtwo and def using it more than the two I mentioned, maybe it's bias because I get to see less of the downsides of these decks), absolutely LOVE the Arbok/Weezing respect though, an absolutely monstruous deck with few genuinely bad matchups (mostly just Venusaur), it's my main deck used!
Good tier list honestly.
Starmie has zero retreat and needs just two energy and that can make it an insta game killer early on. I feel like it gets worse later in game while mewtwo is the opposite. They should at least be in same tier imo
I really enjoy my Dragonite/Articuno Ex/Zapdos Ex deck. Challenging but very fun and rewarding
All there really needs to be added to make the Meta Healthy as hell are good Steel and Dark Ex. THe dark puts mewtwo in its place early and Metal would just be interesting with something to play.
Umbreon EX with PokePower disabling all other PokePowers would be amazing. And maybe Steelix EX with PokePower that caps damage done to it to 60 or something. It'd be two good ways IMO to cleanly balance Mewtwo without having to resort to nerfs.
Dragonite with tentacrule and arcticuno (non ex) and misty is a fun deck, but still in consistent. Ive seen some people use dragonite with eeevee vapreon jolteon combo so your energy never goes to waste.
@@shammersanonymous no need for tentacruel -- Articuno alone is enough (can also run a fossil for Sabrina protection). I've played A LOT of Dragonite and Dragonite + Reg Articuno has had the best results. Dragonite + Weezing has been next best.
@Frozendude19 I just like poisoning EX cards lol
My of meda decks I've been having a lot of fun with are executor ex Beedrill deck really aggressive with 1 energy attacks, wheezing Alakazam, primate marowak ex, and adding Pidgeot to the arbok wheezing deck.
I’ve been vibing with pidgeot+melmetal, 10 Pokémon deck feels solid and only gives single points. The drive off gives you the win every time haha
You gotta have the Mawile's in there too. Only thing that helps you stall and chip them early so you can get you Pidgeot and Melmetal online. Sucks having to drop 2 trainers, but it's much more consistent imo.
i'm glad you put Primeape at A. ive been running Onix/Primeape and the ability to get online quick with promo Mankey and Brocks for Onix has given me multiple long winning streaks. Primeape can KO Pika EX in one shot and it hits anything weak to fighting hard. you can run various other mons to type coverage, like a single Heliolisk or Mienshao, or two Farfetch'd or Kanga for fast neutral damage
@spragelsPocket, reconnaissance is what a scout in a military unit does. the word you're looking for is Renaissance which is a revival
I am running Charizard EX with Rapidash.
It is cool because on a quick match you can just use Charuzard slash and Rapidsh 1 energy move.
In a slow game. Use Rapidash to tank and pump up energy to Charizard.
The logoc behind
In a fast game. Setting for charizard takes a lot of time. Moltres EX flipping for energy allowed your oppient to damage your mons.
In a slow game. Rapidash aggression is nit enough. But because both of you play the long game, you have time to build your charizard naturally without energy acceration.
Honestly just play Moltres in that deck too, at least as a 1 of, it gives you more options. I really like the Rapidash in the Charizard deck because it's a good turn 1 when you're going first and want to go fast, but you can't beat the Moltres setup when you don't need to go fast.
Would love to see a No-EX Meta Tier list 😊
Pikachu ex with Zapdos ex is just fun and easy to use. I've wanted to try out a Wigglytuff ex deck but the game refuses to give it to me lol
i guess i was just lucky to beat the god tier deck today with a liligant/Venusaur (non-EX) deck. the win felt great :')
I would switch Charizard Moltres with Veno Exec. I would say Exec and Lilligant version are much closer to each other in effectiveness, probably Exec edges out Lilligant a little bit but it's not far off.
You could put starmie and exeggutor cards on s! It would be cool to understand better the meta. I mean, Ithink it would be true and it felt like you were saying it in some ways.
I’m surprised graninja/Dragonite combo didn’t make the list. I’ve been running it and I’d put it A tier
my favorite deck is dragonite weezing because dragonite is my favorite pokemon! the deck takes its time with matches though, a pretty scummy deck I've found that makes for very quick games is articuno ex/greninja. It sort of parallels with Mewtwo since it consists of a basic ex DPS and a stage 2 support but with misty for energy acceleration instead. of course, the articuno and starmie combo is hard to beat but the game has not given me any starmie exs.
Very fun Caterpie Venu deck:
2 Caterpie
1 Metapod
1 Butterfree
1 Bulbasaur
1 Ivysaur
1 Venu Ex
2 Erika
2 Sabrina
2 Oak
2 Pokéball
2 XSpeed
2 Potion
1 Fossil
Prioritize Find a Friend, try getting maximum healing with heals, go for defensive Sabrinas to buy time!
I have been using Primeape/Onix and have had a lot of success
Regardless of whatever deck you play we can agree misty players are bad people.
@@oldguardiron5946 nothing brings me more joy than seeing a misty hit Tails first
@@JelloTricks I am your biggest nightmare. I got 6 heads 9energy garados.
Enemy was flabbergasted.
He got the mew tew deck but his gardevoir wasn’t going.
“People”
Mewtwo gardivoir players are bad people. Atleast misty is luck and chance.
Gard Mewtwo should be illegal lol. 3 energy each round is insane.
Never lost to misty enjoyers so far. Theyre funny to play against esp when they play two misty in a row and drew 0 on each cards 😂 They just concede automatically 😂
What about Alakazam / Weezing? I've been running it for the whole PvP even if pretty good success. It has a good matchup against Mewtwo, Dragonite, Charizard, Venusaur (most versions), Blastoise (basically all decks that rely on a Pokemon with a lot of energy). You have a disadvantage against Pikachu (especially the Raichu version), but the matchup is still winnable. It absolutely dies to Exeggutor and Starmie, but they are a bit less common from my experience.