How to listen to high resolution Lossless Audio on your iPhone with the HELM BOLT
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- Apple's announcement that Lossless Audio would be included in Apple Music has generated a lot of interest in USB DACs, because you'll need one to render audio to wired headphones. This video shows you how to use the HELM BOLT USB DAC/AMP with Apple Music to listen to Lossless Audio.
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The intro is a killer
Great video
Thanks.
Great video, thanks. To connect an iPhone to a home hi-fi amplifier would I just use spare L/R phono inputs on the amp?
It would be cool if Apple put the DAC that can play 24-bit by 192khz (studio quality) audio inside their products so we can listen to studio-quality audio anywhere we go even inside our cars too.
@Scuffed Poseidon it's called iPhone 12 s. And no, they won't bring back the headphone jack.
@Scuffed Poseidon Apple is going to put a 24-bit by 192khz DAC inside the iPhone 13? Where did you hear that?
@@dkodko11 it will be a perfect marketing thing to do. lol
Their lighting to 3mm dongle is a dac for up to 24bit, so you can at least get lossless (not high res) if you have one laying around.
Will it work with IPad Pro without the other adapters
I don't understand why Helm and others cant just make a version of their dongle dac with a lightning connector. Surely having to daisy chain multiple connectors together will have a negative effect on sound quality.
maybe the closest thing you can get to not having daisy chaining is the s9 pro (but thats beyond my preferred price range)
@@ghajik. had the s9 Pro for a year now..fantastic dac with a balanced 2.5 or standard 3.5 😄
Update your iPhone 😂
I use airplay from my iPad to a soundbar bluesound 2i sampling 32 192khz ,my iPad has a headphone jack , can you recommend a dac that bypasses the iPad dac and give reasons why and how to connect it, I’m streaming from tidal and Apple Music
So, using that Darko-approved dongle chain with the HELM BOLT, can I use a 3.5 mm to RCA cable to connect the output to my home audio system to get improved sound when streaming from my iPhone 12? Sorry, long sentence, I hope the question is clear.
I love this! Apple has been pushing to removing there Lighting port for a couple of years and also Hammering how everything has to be wireless. So to use the lossless and Dolby Experience you’ll need both.. lol 😂 now that’s a bad Apple 🍎
for
dolby u dont need DAC '
@@cuikemoi826
Yes I know, but you need an Apple TV. Hooked up to your sound bar. Always need something from Apple 🍎
@@dennis1908cubs idk , i only use iPhone
We got lossless without having to pay extra, how’s that a bad apple? Some people are too fanatic when it comes to the whole android vs Apple thing, you act like children.
@@fernandocalles1726 it's only bad if they remove the jack entirely
I have an iPhone 15 (latest OS ver), and the Audio Quality setting isn’t there. Has this setting gone away, or is it only available if you’re subscribed to Apple Music?
is it okay if i use another cheap brand for the usb camera adapter?
goes a microphone on a headset work with the bolt? is the 3.5mm trrs?
Bro Update this video with iPhone 15 pro max or wait till the iPhone 16 comes out and post it then, just ordered one from Amazon
Someone at Apple told me that IOS 13x will be good enough for Apple lossless,but I assume the IPAD 8th gen I ordered will get 14.6?
Can you actually purchase one in the UK please
Can i use my bowers and wilkins px8 + wire for losless audio?
Chris, nice review. Is this DAC able to be used in car audio? Thanks
yes, if your car has a 3.5mm aux input the BOLT can drive it nicely.
This is a great video. So when I purchase the Helm Bolt on your website inside the box there will also be the USB-C to USB-A adapter?
I have the iPhone 13 and have been trying to take advantage of lossless or hi-res audio quality with Apple Music.
If I get the bolt and the adapter, can I plug in my standard Apple EarPods with 3.5 mm plug + get the lossless or hi-res lossless sound quality?
Apple EarPods don’t support lossless. I saw this in the FAQs on their website.
if you're using the older EarPods with the 3.5mm connector, yes you can listen to Lossless Audio. The EarPods probably won't do a wonderful job of reproducing that audio though, you may want to consider some headphones of better quality.
so it wont do anything for signals lower than 48khz?
Will this not be used with bluetooth
the adapter chain is a disgrace. But in any case, native 24bit 48kHz isnt exactly awful. However, I have read that getting the sound out to your hifi sytem is problematic with a lightning to headphone adapter, becasue the internal DAC of all lightning to headphone adapters ($5 -$25)is limited to 16bit 44kHz.. Not sure if true, were all still learning and waiting for products to put honest specs on their stuff.
Great point!
No the apple lightning adapter supports 24/48khz which is technically hi-res… anything above cd quality is hi-res
Is it too hard to have a DAC that fits directly into an iPhone / iPad 🤷♂️
Hate the connection chain!
Don’t think there is one
Audirect Atom 2 dac has lightning plug. Several other USB C to Lightning OTG adapters out there including Hidizs.
There is one made by Belkin - 3.5 mm Charge + Rockstar
The key feature is the piece includes a DAC
There's an iphone version of sonata hd pro that ships with lightning.
Right
I have an Iphone XS and several dongle DAC/Amps to go along with it and many open back and closed back headphones with not too high of an impedance and I'm never happy with the music coming out of the phone with my headphones which are the Sennheiser 598, 599, 560's, 569's and many others by different companies , it's never clear and sounds compressed, I'm not an Apple music subscriber but have my Itunes music synced up to my Iphone XS and under audio there is no option for me to select 24 bit 96KHZ or higher which I know my DAC's can do and would like an Lossless audio option for my synced music, may I ask why Apple doesn't have this option under their phones or if they do are they only for Apple music subscribers, I can't understand why I cannot choose my bit depth and sample rate at all, I feel Apple should do this for everyone who owns an Iphone regardless if your an Apple music subscriber it should be under the audio tab for anyone to select their output of audio which my P.C. let's me do.
Hi, I would like to use a DAC with my iPhone to listen to external speakers, not headphones. Any recommendations for a small but good DAC to work with speakers, please?
The BOLT works to accomplish this, we do it all the time in our offices.
@@helmaudio6940 so your BOLT DAC works with speakers as well?
It would be nice if some of these companies would just make lightning adapters. Most of them are type c.
What if apple itself switches to usb c on its iphones thats far better
Does it work with anything except Apple Music?or any streaming audio? For example music stored locally?
Tidal and deezer and amazon music have cd quality audio
make a lightning version. seriously.
Will this worked plugged straight into an iPad Air 4/iPad pro for high res lossless with no “apple limitations”? If so I’ll buy ASAP
Yes
I'm not sure what you're referring to as "Apple Limitations" but the USB-C port on the iPad Pro continues to undergo some development. This article (9to5mac.com/2018/11/07/ipad-pro-usb-c-accessories/) shares the use cases. We've had some users report no issues, some needing the A/V adapter, and some that have success with a USB hub. Hope that helps.
@@helmaudio6940 I believe he's referring if the Type-C will limit to 24bit/48KHz like Apple Lightning dongle does.
@@iWasimAbbas There's no DAC in the Lightning to USB Camera adapter so no worries there.
You guys should release a lightning version of this dac would make it a much nicer experience
We've been working on it, but the process for making official Apple certified Lightning peripherals runs on Apple's schedule and is not something we can control. When we get the green light something will be available. Until then this is what it is.
@@helmaudio6940 All you need is Lightning Audio Module (LAM) or (Apple-certified A2M module) in conjunction with MFi certification program. I may have over simplified it but as long as you apply for the program like many others do. Dunu has recently started manufacturing Apple Lightning Modular Plugs for their cable system so I am sure any manufacturer can do it.
@@iWasimAbbas We're in MFi and that's the holdup.
@@helmaudio6940 I’d love this as well pretty please
Will this work on an iPad Air with headphone jack? Will it output audio over the lightning port? For lossless streaming
For Lossless Audio you'll need to use the Lightning port as we show here w/ an iPhone.
Thanks heaps mate
I’ve been using the helm audio bolt for a while now and it has been great so far, sadly, a few weeks back I started to experience some distortion in the left channel whenever I’m starting to listen to music, and after I move around the connector for a while, the distortion disappears… overall is still working but to be adjusting every single time the headphone jack to remove distortion is kind of annoying, and it happens with multiple headphones, so it is not a headphone issue.
have you contacted support@helmaudio.com? If you can include your order info to validate warranty replacement.
Should have mentioned at the intro connecting to head phones ☹️
New to audio hobby but would I also need a headphone with up to 40khz freqeuncy range?
thats like asking “Do I need 4k monitor to watch 4k videos”.
@@aar5266 you are 2 months late reply. I have known it long before your comment. I am now knowledgable on audio hobby and now owns 3 audiophile gear. So thank you but no thank you. 😁😁
Does this work with Tidal Masters on iPhone as well??
Yes
Why does it not work, when you connect the bolt to the Iphone, only using a usb-c to lightning adapter? Thx, Stephan
The Apple Lightning to USB-C adapter has integrated software software control from iOS which interferes with the USB audio protocols. The OG Apple Lightning to USB Camera Adapter is the only Lightning adapter we suggest.
@@helmaudio6940 thx
Anyone know if this would help for mixing on a ipad are there any cheaper alternatives?
You'll certainly be able to properly render higher resolution audio properly w/ the BOLT, but most of the DAW-related apps are somewhat limited for available sample rate selection options.
@@helmaudio6940 thanks a lot i do appreciate the help im using Cubasis3 i think they added 32bit in there more recent updates.
Can apple’s lighting to usb c work?
You can certainly try but we've had users express that they've had trouble with Apple's Lightning to USB-C adapter, but the Apple Lightning to USB Camera adapter works every time.
@@helmaudio6940 Thank you
If I have a 2018 iPad Pro with USB-C, do I just plug the Bolt to the iPad with no need for a dongle? Will that still get me Hi-Res Lossless or is the dongle still needed for some reason?
The iPad USB-C outs are problematic, you may need to use a powered hub.
Can i use type-c to lightning otg adapter? Just skip type c to usb dongle
should work ok
You can certainly try but we've had users express that they've had trouble with Apple's Lightning to USB-C adapter, but the Apple Lightning to USB Camera adapter works every time.
@@helmaudio6940 even the cheap USB 2 one? so no need to find a USB 3 one?
@@Souls4Roca correct. No need (and we don't recommend the USB3 adapter.)
Why not just use a Lightning to USB C port adapter? They exist.
too much add-ons, to hear music?
Would it work with AirPod Max?
No, cause the AirPods max receive either digital or analog signals and will convert either into digital. You need a DAC (digital to analog) converter connected to a pair of non apple headphones or a receiver with speakers to achieve the hi-res Losless audio
@@peytong1232 yes works
digital lossless with out any loss
dolby atmos 3d sound and music all features what this video shown with out high resolution lossless
work with AirPods max AirPods Pro beats
new iMacs new Mac airs and MacBook pros
what a you think why they make lossless and they charge not extra
and they make headphones !?
AirPods max and AirPods Pro are work with loss less you have to Apple Music buy first
and then check in apple store AirPods max ....I can give you guarantee they diffrent any head phones
sony make perfect headphones but they hit end end extremely expensive
but apple headphones with this features and this price ist perfect
try it
How to use it with Mac?
Scroll down the page here helmaudio.com/pages/bolt-support and the Mac instructions are available. It's pretty simple.
Can you get 24 bit 192 khz though? Tried lots of songs and it seems to only go up to 96 khz
Coldplay's A rush of blood..., X&Y, and Parachutes albums have 192khz songs. Yeah, not much else have it though.
@@daryldraws8083 cheers, i will try this. I was googling all over and seems like nobody has the list of what song is 24 bit 192 khz
*Edit: yup Coldplay has it. I run iphone 11 through ifi hip dac to sony wh1000xm4 and it sounds amazing
Can't see those settings on my iPhone SE2 ..
you have to buy Apple Music first and then come automatically
but if you don't have AirPods max or AirPods Pro or beats
you can't hear the difference
@@firstsoldier4257 I have Apple Music but I don’t have AirPods or AirPods max. But I don’t need the spatial audio anyways. I am interested in lossless audio for which I don’t think airpods would be useful.
This is bizarre, I am unable to play any Hi Res Lossless on my iPhone. Followed the instructions as mentioned here but no luck.
My equipment:
- iPhone 11, iOS 15.4.1
- Schiit MODI3 DAC
- AudioEngine A1 speakers
- Lightning to USB Camera adapter (with lightning port for power)
Connected:
- iPhone > adapter > USB cable > DAC > Speakers
- iPhone connected to Wi-Fi, plugged to Apple power brick.
- DAC powered on, connected to power brick, USB input selected.
Configured:
- Settings > Music > Audio Quality
- Enabled Hi-Res Lossless on: Wi-Fi Streaming, Downloads.
Trying to play the same Billie Eilish and Ariana Grande songs shown in this video; Hi-Res icon never appears!
Tried another artist/song, the Hi-Res icon appeared, when I clicked it:
- It said "24-bit Lossless Available"
- It did not say "24-bit Lossless" like in this video!
I think the next apple iPhone will have a better dac making these ones obsolete.
LOL , don’t hold your breath
The Apple dongle has a 24/192 chip.
its 24/48 stop commenting like its true.
@@aar5266 The answer comes easy - it is indeed compatible, because it features a Cirrus Logic CS42L42 chip, a 24-bit codec that supports 24-bit audio up to 192kHZ with low power consumption, combined with an integrated headphone amplifier that boasts an output of 2×35mW at 30Ω. You can even get a kit from Cirrus Logic, a rapid development platform for Lightning® connected digital headsets, and part of the MFi programme (Made for iPhone/iPod/iPad).
No Apple them selves have stated it support upto 24/48 ..I've used it and it sound like crap
youtubee music hi res? what?
You know that Mobiles internal dac isn’t capable to produce full potential music, so even you hear AAC quality from you tube, these DAC/Amps does improve even compressed audio and you’ll find better audio quality in Spotify TH-cam after using this
@@haula251 but 256 AAC can't come close to apple's hi res lossless. So no matter how good a dac/amp is, aac being lossless won't sound good as alac.
A positive move by Apple.
Allowing Apple Music users to listen to music as the artist intended and not just bass.
An ios users with the air pod max listened to an amazing record and his first reaction was...wheres the bass...
I was confused until i listened to his air pods max....The bass was loud, uncontrolled and overreaching.
It was horrible.
When i asked to listen to the same track on Tidal with LDAC HiFi or MQA...his reaction was..wait there are more sounds, its richer and fuller.
But he did not like it casue it lacking in "bass".
Hopefully Spotify will join in the Lossless bandwagon.
But hey to audiophiles who sport an IOS device...Loving the dongle life?
Me on a Sony phone with LDAC Bluetooth and hi res audio jack 24khz to 192khz capability all built in , trying to research for my friend how to make his broke ass iPhone play decent music ..
Poor design. Just make it with the lighting cable at one end.
stay tuned
So 3 different and separate things plugged into the lightning port just to achieve those? LMFAO. Fail.