When Bricky talks instant evolution he doesn't mean that the individual bugs will suddenly grow gills. Rather, the hive will instantly start sending out the necessarily adapted bugs. The obsolete bugs will just go back into the digestive pools and be reabsorbed to make new ones. This still happens really fast, mind you.
It is fast, but not so fast so that they can't be countered. If you have enough diversity in weaponry you can overwhelm them and they can't adapt fast enough. There's a battle where the Imperium and the Tau worked together and fought against the Nyds. The Nyds couldn't adapt quickly and effectively enough to fight against both of them
The imperium believes and Hopes that the hive minds of each fleet are seperate. However, just as often as hive fleets have been observed competing, so too have they been observed cooperating as well. So while there remains hope that the minds of each fleet are seperate and not all arms of the same mind, there remains a distinct likelihood that all the hive fleets are parts of the same whole, and its competition against itself serves to confuse and obfuscate the situation or serves some other, inscrutable purpose.
It might be a domination display or perhaps just seeing whitch fleet is better and evolving off eachother and learn the weaknesses and what needs to be changed?
According to an old codex I read a decade ago, when two fleets fight each other it's usually when there's nothing else to eat. But not only does the winner gets the loser's biomass, it also gets its specific genetic traits and becomes even more dangerous! When a fleet with super acid fights a fleet with superstrong psyker units, you get a fleet twice as strong with super acid and superstrong psyker units.
@@Oscar_Lasco yes, but we've also seen traits developed by tyranids on one end of the galaxy pop up whole segmentii away, so absorption clearly isnt the only way genetic traits can be shared; they can share remotely regardless of distance if they choose to. So that raises the question: is this hive fleets fighting each other or a violent consolidation of 2 fleets by a higher intelligence? Or perhaps both already have the adaptation but not the necessary specific materials to manifest both traits, so the hive mind smashes the 2 fleets together to get one bigger, more powerful fleet while also using the oportunity to run a sort of live fire combat drill to gain combat experience without risking any biomass?
@@profsrlojohn635 exactly! If they're all independent, why would they be bringing Tiamat biomass??? Unless tiamat is some sort of support hive mind that is providing something to the others and they're paying for the service provided in trade which would imply a society of hive minds of some sort, which is terrifying in it's own right
Only 15 mins in and the absolute peak must be "Cant you just get on a big boat and go to the middle of the ocean?" "The Tyranids will drink the ocean then eat your ship" Pure gold
Tyranids. Giant bugs capable of mutating and assimilating themselves with new abilities within days. They eat biomass for breakfast, but they can be beaten back. All you need is a strong wall, and enough guns. Luckily, my walls are always up to the task with build in Tyranid Grade Bugspray.
Or pull an uno reverse and deploy organism-consuming nanites. Just ask Farsight. No really, his enclave discovered how to instakill a whole swarm but, because this is 40k, the earth caste scientists who were involved injected themselves with the nanites and all the data was destroyed in the battle.
The problem with the ultramarines is how they are written For example, them and the imperial fist are very similar and your bog standard marine, but if they were both to tell the same story it would have the ultramarines all survive except one and all become company captains and get their own models for the table top. While the fists would all slowly die through the story and the last one sacrifices himself to destroy something and his helmet becomes a relic.
A lot of it has to do with Matt Ward. Like, I think some of the vitriol thrown at Ward is overblown - sending the man death threats is a very "this is why we can't have nice things" moment, and anyone who did it should be ashamed of themselves - but he should be justly criticized for turning the Ultramarines into Mary Sues. To the point where they became the poster boys for the Space Marines, and by extension 40K as a whole.
The Ultramarines received some hideous casualties in Tyrannid wars, losing both First Company and Calgar's Honour Guard. They still managed to rebuild surprisingly fast, partially thanks to group known as Genesis Chapter. Established during the second founding to Ultramarine's neighbor and being extremely strict Codex followers, they can send their own troops to join Ultramarines in those rare cases when the fighting strength goes too low. A very unusual practice, but I suppose there is a good reason to prevent the nine founding Chapters from going extinct. Something similar happened with Imperial Fists: when facing extinction against the worst Ork attack in Imperial history, it's successors sent their best to rebuild the Chapter. This battle was nevertheless a big service of Humble Pie for Ultramarines. Calgar wholeheartedly approved on founding of anti-Tyranid specialists as their own fighting force, which could be considered a pretty big deviation from Codex. Some of the more strict Codex following successor Chapters would have problems with that until Guilliman himself approved of the idea.
The Blood Angels also took in brothers from the various Chapters Of The Blood when their numbers got too low due to a corrupted Inquisitor's chaos shenanigans causing a civil war amongst their ranks. Gabriel Seth wasn't happy about it at first but came around in the end.
stopping one of the founding nine chapters from going extinct... ha ha yes "sweats in yellow" the fists were completely wiped out not a single one remained it was thanks to the successor chapters to secretly remake the chapter. look forward to hear DK's reaction to how the orks hold the literal entire impirium at gun point with the war of the beast
When you really think about it, successor chapters sending troops to replenish the numbers of the main chapter is evidence that the division of the Legions wasn't as concrete as it appeared.
Oh, the tyranid fleets ABSOLUTELY DO work together. For example, hive fleet Kronos is specialized in fighting warp-based enemies (demons and stuff), and because of that they don't actually get alot of biomass from fighting. So, other hive fleets just strip defences from some worlds, and leave them intact for Kronos to consume. Other example is Hydra. It just follows Leviathan, and eats all the splinter fleets that are left from fighting. And those splinter fleets dont actually resist that much. Wich allows them to quickly combine broken forces into a new bigger and singular one.
Kronos is a splinter fleet of leviathan. Full on hive fleets don’t like each other because their hive minds can’t talk to their troops over each other. Ciaphas Cain: For the Greater Good goes into more detail on it, but the point is that two Hive fleets encountering each other would result in ant wars in space
@@11jerans I was under the impression it is all ONE hive mind. Their troops can either combine or fight to test out weaknesses and consume the losing forces but they don't dislike eachother or anything. It seems to be more of a single body with different specialized cells.
Gotta say, Devestation of Baal is a really good depiction of the Tyranids just rolling through and you see all the counter-measures the Blood Angels put in place. On top of all that and rallying nearly every chapter in defense, they barely squeaked out a pyrrhic victory with the Indomitus Crusade (good ol G-man) breaking the invasion.
@@Navituus that part in the book was amazing the swarmlord almost seemed to have self-consciousness and was mocking Dante but in the end Dante didn't give a fuck how wounded he was and blasted him. And well since Dante realllllyyyyyy wanted to die and be eith his father.
48:29 Tech preist: the primaris conversion has a 60% success rate. Commander Dante: Go through with it anyway! Tech preist: Its a miracle! Commander Dante survived. Commander dante: YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME!
@@adastial2104 Dante: yes! I finally have given everything for my brothers and mankind! I go now, but fear not brothers, for my teachings Will remain with y-y-you… Venerable Dreadnaught Dante: TZZwhat?…. FUCK
and henceforth the first company would be colored bone white to remember the those that had fallen ... hmmm cool story Ultramarine, now tell us one about your chapter said every dark angel player.
Devestation of Baal is unironically my favorite 40k novel. It's so 40k, but also gives you so much in the way of character archs, world expansion, and emotion. I literally cried at the end of chapter 21 or 22 when *it* happens... don't wanna spoiler.
The descriptions of space battles with the Tyranids are amazing, taking about frozen blood and viscera floating through the vacuum of space after barrages of fleet fire and the diamond teeth of forms grinding against the hull and windows of space hulks
Best single 40K book to me and the series is top 3 as well. Guy Haley didn't start out that well during his war of the Beast books. However he is one of the top ones now.
DK isn't quite right about Hive Fleets "hating" one another. I think they work, mentally, a lot like how they work physically: as individual tendrils of a greater whole. When two hive fleets meet, they *will* fight and one will devour the other, but *not* in favour of defeating a greater enemy. They fight not because of animosity, but in *constructive* competition. The Hive Mind learns which of the two sets of adaptations were stronger, and the resultant combined swarm has access to the genetic memories and adaptations of the "defeated" swarm too. Even when it's eating itself, the Hive Mind *still* comes out on top!
So, while this probably won't get read, I'll feel a little better about it as a Tyranid player. Behemoth was the first and smallest of the three main Hive Fleets (the 3 Tyrannic Wars) The Ultramarines and their associated Guard regiments and fleets were able to hold off Behemoth, but the Blood Angela and their entire lineage plus associated Guard and fleets lost to the main thrust of Leviathan, and were only saved by Kabandha of all things. Also, Behemoth plowed through multiple worlds and left plenty of worlds seeded for future generations of Tyranids, Calth for example is still riddles with Termagants and Genestealers that came out of the woodworks when Old One Eye was defrosted
They have a unit called Narwhal they use for intergalactic travel. It basically creates a portal between it's location and the place they want to go, and they travel like that. Technically, this method is the fastest among all races iirc. However, they cannot exit the portal near stars, so their portals are a significant distance away from the planet they want to assault, after which they travel at sub light speeds.
It isnt so much a portal as an artificial singularity. They then "fall" towards it and get dragged along really really fast, spending half the journey speeding up as they approach the half way mark and the second half slowing down so they dont just go hurtling past the target system. It is unclear if this can exceed the speed of light as of yet, and hard to truly measure with any accuracy as chaos stuff and the warp make causality weird but if nothing else, it gets them going at least at 99.99999% the speed of light, possibly even closer than that. If they dont have FTL, that's possibly even worse, because it means that due to the time it would still take them to get from point a to point b, they're intentionally faking battles being against the same hive fleet when in reality just about every fight has been a seperate component fleet of an even more incomprehensibly large whole, that has the strategic know how to fake having FTL travel by deploying sub light speed fleets and units in such a way as to create a false impression of ft. If this is the case, the galaxy isnt in the process of being invaded; it has already been infested in totality and the space between systems is likely thick with tyranids and we are simply seeing the opening stages of their deployment, and the situation is infinitely more dire than it is perceived to be as they arent being fooled by imperium strategies or even really loosing significantly; they're toying with us in such a way to make us think we could understand them and hope to win, when we have in fact already lost. Like a mouse that thinks its winning as it draws blood from the snake that is presently crushing its bones. Let us hope that this isnt the case and the imperium has the right idea of how the tyranids work. If not, it is already over save for the final snapping shut of the jaws
One of the more interesting things about the battle of Macrage is that the ultra marines followed the codex astartes to the letter. But at the time it was written there where no Nyds.... So many of the key tactics where like disrupt the suply lines, feed incorrect information, demoralize the oponent use cover fire where practiclly useless against the Nyds. So if they wanted to survive they neded to do like the nyds and addapt, think outside the book use their battle experience come up with new tactics it was a wake up call to The ultramarines. And specially to Callgar they can not depend onlly on the codex if they want to survive.
If they rewrote their conventions of war then ultramarines old rules had to be broken or they perish Lets be pratical the nids should of chomped most of the ultramarines , its a planet wide scale invasion with square miles of nids chomping away 24/7 the ultramarines should of been over stretched overhelmed out flanked , surrounded and under siege to quickly and while they can defend the small areas their in the rest of the wider planet get munched before ultramarines can do anything to stop that. Nids are supposed to eat a planet surface in mere months not take years.
Just to add to the Swarmlords awesomeness. It's not a bunch of separate 'lords, but the same one each time. Use a tactic on him and next time he will remember that tactic in his next incarnation
@@vinnylatoria4478 Interesting qyestion. I would say that there is one template the overall hivemind keeps, and fleets use it as needed when they encounter particularly stiff resistance.
Everyone says that Chaos boys are enjoying that Emperor class ship. But I can't help but wonder if it's covered or infested with all the Tyranids that it took into the warp with it.
Do you think the Tyranids could incorporate Warp Entities into their biomass? Because if they can then it’s very likely that if it’s still alive, it’s very powerful and possibly a Hive of Psykers on a level no one has seen.
@@fist-of-doom487 well in a big battle between Nids and Khorne Daemons both sides ended up leaving blue balled because the Daemons got no souls and the nids got no biomass. So I’d say no.
The best way to explain tyranids is imagine you have your army but at any given time you can recall your entire army and rebuild every soldier gun, and even down to the bullet to be exactly what you need within a day or two. Think of the swarmlord like the brains of the body, synapse creatures like the nerves and organs and basic nids as cells, the hive mind expeds smaller bugs such as gaunts as if they were ammunition.
50:40 Its generally assumed the hive fleets compete with each other, however exceptions exist. There is a Hive fleet that specializes in fighting Chaos (Hive Fleet Kronos?), however killing Chaos typically leaves no biomass, so another hive fleet just goes around and rips the defenses out of various planets and then leaves so this other fleet can "easily consume" and keep its strength up.
I am offended that you would not acknowledge the accomplish of I, Cato Sicarius, when I, Cato Sicarius, have vanquished many enemies of the Emperor and filthy Xenos!
I have to say, Bricky you did an amazing job bringing justice to my very favorite character in 40K, and I hope a lot more people realize just how god damn awesome the swarmlord is thanks to this video
I remember old 5th ed Swarmlord. Any unsaved wound it inflicted resulted in instant death. I once had it and some tyrant guard charge down the centre after my friends chaos lord. He only had one choice. Retreat. Kept falling back and falling back. Eventually cornered him, but he parked a Rhino side on to block the Swarmlord.
15:20 The best explanation for why this isn't a tabletop thing is that there'd then be an actual ruleset enabling you to be That Kid in tabletop, always responding they have an anti (the exact specific thing you said) shield.
One small note regarding the different Hive Fleets and the possibility of different Hive Minds, it's mentioned in an old Tyranid Codex (5th ed, if I remember correctly), that the entirety of the Tyranid species is controlled by one singular Hive Mind. Any Hive Fleet that encounters another Hive Fleet will attack it, though this is comparable to you transferring money between two of your own bank accounts. The accounts may change in terms of value, but you overall don't lose any money. There is no net gain or loss of biomass when two Hive Fleets fight. The Hive Fleet, most likely, pits the Hive Fleets against each other if they meet to test them. If Kraken beats up Jormungandr, then Kraken is more "deserving" of that biomass and may continue to use it to evolve. At the end of the day, the Tyranid race as a whole doesn't lose any of their biomass.
The thing with Kryptman was he would not warn planet's that the nids were coming or evacuate citizens or anything. He'd wait for the nids to arrive and invade the planet and as soon as they had won and committed all the resources they were going to, then he'd exterminatus the planet. Essentially his logic was if the nid fleet had 100 units of biomass, attacked a planet worth 40 units, and used 20 to take the planet then they would not only gain that 40, they'd also get their 20 back giving them a net profit of 40. However if they didn't get any of that biomass at the end they'd be down 20 units to 80. Kryptman figured if he could lure the nids into attacked biomass rich worlds and do that enough he'd eventually starve them to death. It's logical but horrifying. It's a plan a sociopath would come up with. Yes trillions would live but he'd have to sacrifice billions of people to do it every time the nids showed up which is most definitely a net negative loss in population which will definitely start to hurt, especially the fact that those planet's are often pretty important to the sector and sometimes the galaxy. Agriworlds, industrial worlds, massive population centers, resource rich worlds. There's no way that the imperium won't feel the losses eventually. Especially since we don't know how many nids there actually are. On the Hitler Scale of Genocides he did about 10,000 Hitlers in case you're wondering. (Note that the total number of people killed by the Nazis outside of combat numbers around 10 million, 6 million of which were Jewish people. I do not count combatants and civilians killed outside of the death camps in his kill count).
There is actually one situation of two hive fleets working together that I can remember and that's Hive Fleet Kronos and leftovers of Hive Fleet Leviathan since Kronos' 'duty' within the greater Hive Mind's plan is to prevent the spread of the Warp and thus protect the supply of food but, since they can't eat Chaos, they thusly have the problem that they rarely get to resupply. To that end, splinter fleets of Hive Fleet Leviathan will roll up to random worlds, eat all the defenders, destroy all ships and any other forms of communication but leave the civilian populace, fauna and flora behind undefended so that Hive Fleet Kronos can essentially use it as a free lunch.
I still think Kryptman might need an episode of his own cause I feel like Bricky is doing the man wrong. Cause he's certainly done horrific things, but the read I've always gotten from him IS more 'Thanos' than 'standard mad with power Inquisitor'. All the lore I've read on him is that he's one of the few people, because he's focused on fighting the Tyranids so much, to understand just how badly they're going to fuck up the galaxy if they are defended against. Like to quote 'if every bullet from the galaxy is fired and kills a Tyranid, they will still over run it with sheer numbers' fucked. Other characters and figures know the Tyranids are bad, but its Kryptman, Tiberious of the Ultramarines, and the Silent King who really seem to grasp just how bad the threat is. Kryptman is unbelievably callous with human life (see letting the 'nids attack inhabited planets, waiting until they're committed, and then Exterminatusing the planet rather than evacuating it) but there is a good reason for it. The same way Bricky noted that Curze is monster but he's also a fascinating monster. Kryptmann realizes that the Tyranids aren't just an invading faction, they're a voracious force of nature and he treats them as such and he's completely willing to put his own hide on the line to try and stop them (see leading teams to capture live genestealers or infiltrating tyranid hive fleets to study and try to disrupt them). The problem is, Kryptmann is fighting a desperate battle to save humanity from being devoured but the rest of the Imperium and Inquisition see a guy who's completely lost it with his methods. Plus, Kryptmann did start the Octarious war between Orks and 'nids as a last ditch scheme and time will only tell if that save the Imperium or doomed the galaxy, lol.
Got into 'Nids back in 1995 when they released the Hive War 'expansion' for Epic which is when all of this lore was introduced. Before that the Tyranids were just another race in the 40k galaxy that were heavily into biotechnology and were around during the Great Crusade, Genestealers were something separate and Zoats were a...thing. When they got all there new lore though they changed into an unknowable cosmic horror and were just _so. damn. cool!_ Shame they never get that representation on the table top. Before Devastation of Baal though you have to do the Kryptman Gambit and the Battle of Piscina IV (THE PLANET IS CALLED SWIMMING POOL!) which is the turning point of the Second Tyrannic war against Hive Fleet Kraken.
I think it would have been a good idea to bring up the map of Behemoth and the Ultramar system at the end once again. The efforts to stop the nids at MAccrage was against a tendril of the fleet, not the entire fleet itself. THEN you go to the map showing the other fleets and that they are approaching from all directions. THEN you understand why the Silent King went, "OH NO, BUGS!" and came back to revive his race.
Kryptman: >clusternukes several entire planets into oblivion because they MIGHT be a food source for the 'nids< Literally Hitler: *_"Vielen scheisse, mein Gott, bist du wirklich verrukt, du absolutes MONSTER."_*
Thus far, we only know of 12 Emperor Class Battleships that have existed in 40k, of which 10 are now remaining: Divine Right - seen during the Gothic War. The Divine Right, first the flagship of Battlefleet Artemis, and later the flagship of Battlefleet Gothic, won great renown during the Gothic War. Dominus Astra - played a pivotal role in defeating Hive Fleet Behemoth and ending the Battle for Macragge when it entered the heart of the Tyranid fleet and detonated its Warp Drives, dragging the entire Tyranid fleet along with itself into the Warp. Enduring Blade -Lost when overrun by demon boarding parties. Excelsis Cruor - The Excelsis Cruor that served as the command ship for Lord High Admiral of the Imperial Navy Merelda Pereth. It was one of the few major ships of the line in Terra's orbit following the chaos of the Noctis Aeterna. Fist of Righteousness - Led a fleet to relieve the Eldar siege of Kabaal III. Indomitable Wrath - Unknown history. Inomine Veritas - The Inomine Veritas took part in the Third War for Armageddon. Legatus Stygies - Legatus Stygies is an Emperor Class Battleship which was seen in action during the Age of Apostasy where it survived a ramming attack during the Battle of Callavell. It was also seen during the Gothic War; it escaped destruction during the Purgation of Ulthranx and destroyed the Chaos battleship Black Pain. Lord of Light - The Lord of Light was part of the fleet of Lord Commander Solar Macharius. Following the near-destruction of his flagship Pax Imperium, a Mars-class Battlecruiser, at the Battle of Charaxdis, his senior staff persuaded Macharius to transfer his flag to the Lord of Light. Following Macharius' death, the Lord of Light was decommissioned and now orbits the Shrine World of Macharia as a tribute in his honour. Pax Imperialis - The Kingmaker was a Chaos-corrupted Exorcist-class Grand Cruiser thought to have been lost in the late 41st Millennium while on patrol near Agripinaa, but it appeared four Terran years later as part of a Black Legion fleet that destroyed an Imperial convoy between Cadia and Belis Corona. Afterwards, the Pax Imperialis was charged with destroying the Kingmaker and this began a two-solar-month pursuit that ended in the asteroid belts of the Crinan System. Though normally a grand cruiser would be no match for a full battleship, the Kingmaker had been corrupted by the power of Chaos and managed to hold out long enough for reinforcements to arrive. This caused the Pax Imperialis ' commander, Vice Admiral Chanke, to order a retreat. While the battleship was able to escape, it was forced to leave behind its voidcraft that had been launched to deliver the final blow to the Kingmaker. When the 13th Black Crusade began, the Kingmaker was among the Black Fleet's warships that attacked the Imperial forces defending Cadia. It was there that the grand cruiser clashed with the Pax Imperialis once again, but this time it was the Kingmaker that was forced to retreat, after the battleship severely damaged it. However, when Cadia was lost to Chaos, the Imperial forces escaped from the Cadian System and it is not known what became of the Kingmaker. Revenge - The Revenge was the flagship of Battlefleet Demeter and played an important role during the Pandorax Campaign fighting against the fleets of the Black Legion and the Red Corsairs. Mercy of the Blade - The Mercy of the Blade is an Imperial Navy Emperor Battleship that serves in Battlefleet Charadon and it took part in the Charadon Campaign, escaping from Typhus as he attempted to invade Forge World Metalica.
The Eternal Crusader was/is actually a Gloriana Class Battleship, Dorn’s flagship (after the Phalanx), estimated to be about 20 kilometers long. This is compared to the Emperor class battleship, at only about between 8 and 12 kilometres long.
I forget which fleet it was but one of them just came from galactic down. Like if the other hive fleets were left and right hooks, one of them was an uppercut.
Hive fleets Leviathan and Kronos are the ones you are thinking of, with the former being broken up into a colossal number of smaller, dagger thrust like fleets to spread the shadow in the warp as wide as possible and the latter ariving some time later in leviathans wake and making a beeline for the great rift as it seems to be an anti chaos fleet
@@davidthomas2870 Kronos is a splinter of Leviathan that is specifically anti-Chaos yes. Leviathan has been leaving certain worlds behind for Kronos to eat instead, and while Leviathan spreads out to eat as much of the galactic south as they can, Kronos is heading straight for the Maelstrom and the galactic core.
The Battle for Macragge Starter Box was my first introduction to 40k so it has a special place in my heart, despite not playing Marines or Tyranids anymore.
51:08 Not exactly, but Leviathan was so massive it was able to launch a two-pronged assault on the galaxy: one massive tendril on one side, another massive tendril on the other
Speaking of old rules that were insanely bullshit and acceptable because old codex... Necron's Gauss weapons could hurt _anything_ on a 6. Including tanks. All Scythes armed models ignored invulnerable save, just because. Reanimation protocol didn't care about wound number, for each success you just stood a model back. Necron flying transport didn't kill their passengers when destroyed, they were just put in reserve, void weapons and scarabs permanently diminished the blindage of vehicules... Boy, Necrons had fun toys but GW didn't like them being strong so they lost tons of it...
Since I got into Warhammer 40k like 2 years ago, I was very interested in buying Tyranids but this episode only reinforced the fact that they are absolutely insane. Gonna get that starter pack and some more lil nids !
Okay they didn’t quite give tyran Justice in its one sided defense against the tyranids, so I’ll try my best. When the tyranids first showed up on the eastern fringe of the Milky Way they immediately set about invading worlds to replenish the stores on their bio ships. They only attacked worlds with no starfaring sentient xenos at first, but they were packed with everything necessary to make more tyranids. Eventually the tyranids moved to attack tyran, but on the way an exploratory vessel of that world chanced upon seeing the massive fleet of the tyranids approaching tyran and fled back to tyran but not before receiving several wounds to its hull. Warning made it to tyran and it prepared its defenses. You see tyran was a relatively useful and important research and observation base on the eastern fringe, and xenos and barbarian raids are quite probable and often, so the base was stocked with plenty of defenses and ammunition to protect from xenos as well as the monstrous maritime monsters of the ocean world. They had a main facility where the magos who was the planetary governor of the world stayed and pockmarked bunkers, bastions and other fortifications on the outer perimeter, a defense grid of 36 auto cannons and lascannons inceptor class turret implacements defended the site from any external threat. There were also 4 massive laser defense crystals all protected in feet thick silos of ceramite a full imperial guard regiment with some catachan elements and a company of skitarri (can’t remember which type sorry) three full wings of thunderbolt fighters and last of all was a small defense fleet of three small cruisers in orbit. When the tyranids came they were partially obscured by thick clouds of spores and mines millions of my mycetic spores rained from the sky and fell into the ocean, not many made it because of the defense lasers and thunderbolts shooting them down before they could land the cruisers also went to work attacking the tyranid fleet. Soon the tyranids withdrew and the magos became cocky, he ordered the cruisers to advance upon the fleeing tyranid fleet and Harry there forces. After the tyranids had drawn the cruisers away from the defenses the planet had to offer they revealed the full extent of their naval might. Out of the dozens of ships that had been destroyed, there remained thousands to millions more. Immediately a cruiser was destroyed when a tyranid ship belched millions of smaller organisms that burrowed into the ship and melted it the second ship was torn apart by grasping tendrils that pulled it into the maw of a bio ship the third ship however had just enough time to send a warning back to tyran before leech like pseudo pods gnawed through its hull and released swarms of genestealers into its middle and lower decks, the ship was utterly cleaned out and its crew turned to a bloody mass. The ships advanced to tyran once more. Without the aid of the cruisers the spores rained down twice as heavy into the ocean. The great marine creatures were torn asunder with absolutely no difficulty by the tyranids they broke through the water and scrabbled up the walls of the research base the smaller creatures stood absolutely no chance against the auto cannons and much less the lascannons, so the fleet sent out larger foes. The base held on and seemed immovable. Disciplined volleys of lasfire from the guardsman deemed enough to kill the small little protected forms of the lesser gaunts and genestealers. The defense began to crack however as the northern defense laser fell silent after thousands of gargoyles hurled their bodies into the battle of the massive gun choking it. The eastern defense laser fell soon after when a carnifex penetrated the walls of the tower and tore its cooling system apart. The thunderbolts also fell when their engines clogged or when their pilots were ripped from the cockpit screaming by harpies. As the defense withered spores rained onto the base itself. In an hour all of the bastions and bunkers had been destroyed and all of the turrets and defense lasers had gone eerily silent. Even the stalwart catachans attempted to flee to escape a grizzly fate that was in the end unavoidable they died alone and separated picked off by the uncaring zurg. Only the command bunker still stood, but the walls began to crack from the larger bio forms, magos carnal observed the massive unstoppable tide outside of his once impregnable outpost on his few remaining displays. At last the adamantium gate crashed inward and the tyranids rushed inwards. The guardsman fought with flamers and whatever weaponry the could get, sometimes their bare hands. The magos witnessed this all and as the tyranids finally breached the command center where the magos stayed, he sent a data codex of all they had witnessed, everything they knew about the tyranids plummeting into the depths of the outpost, deep into the world where he hoped it would be found by imperials, and maybe give them a fighting chance against the encoming threat of the tyranids, he thought all this as the data codex plummeted into depths of the outpost and as the tyranids closed on the last living soul on the planet. This was the legacy of tyran and what the tyranids were named after. Tyran stands
According to the book 'Jaghatai Khan: Warhawk of Chogoris,' the construction of the Gloriana class battleship cost Mars 5% of their natural resources to make just one. Not sure if Gloriana-class Battleship is bigger than Emperor class but one thing is for sure, Gloriana class are made for Primarch as their personal ship.
35:40 I always imagined this part pretty much exactly like that one scene in 2003 clone wars, where the arc trooper's gunship burst into the wreckage where Grievous fought the jedi.
"And as for my Inquisition friend. The Imperium thinks it can infiltrate the Solemnace Galleries of Doctor Trazyn the Infinite?" “You can’t scare me you green eyed metal bastard!” “Take her to Ultramar.” “NO, NOT ULTRAMAR! ANYTHING BUT THAT! PLEASE NO! NO! NO!!! NO!!!!! NOT ULTRAMAR!"
The moment you see this commend, a new trailer of Warhammer 40k spacmarine 2 is out now, and as you will see in the trailer that Calgar literally 1v1 Swarm Lord
Ain't it hilarious that our boy Bricky talks us about UltraSmurfs vs Tyranids. And a day later we get an announcement for Space Marines II and it is: ULTRASMURFS VS TYRANIDS!
The tyranids are learning quickly there has even been a sighting of the tyranids constructing there own version of the necron pylons (these pylons would amplify the shadow in the warp)
with the news of space marine 2 being on the way, it would be cool to see you guys do a playthrough of the first game, and hear DKs reactions to the wild crap that captain titus gets up to. as well as the orks being orks
If you thought this was bad, you should talk about the Devastation of Baal. Literally all the blood angels and their successor chapters fought Leviathan, and at best the Flesh Tearers and main Blood Angels are probably the only ones that still have firstborn marines, and only just barely.
This was excellent timing, I can't believe this gets released the day before the announcment of Space Marine 2 with the First Tyrannic war and Battle for Macragge.
The tyranids may be a bigger menace to the galaxy than chaos itself. Given what's hinted about their true numbers, it's possible that even a United galaxy, were talking the imperium, chaos and all xenos pointing their guns at the tyranids alone, might not be enough, I'm not even a nid fan.
In the resurection of jerry beans man ep, bricky mentioned that, the leader of the psychers of the blueberrymarines once invaded the tyranids hive mind and lived.
Its actually kinda more of an ego blow for Kalgar cause when Guilliman comes back he symbollically demotes kalgar because of how poorly he defended McCragg from the nids
The destruction of the emperor class battleship was entirely necessary as if they failed to stop the tyranids the hive fleet would have gotten by far one of the greatest bits of genetic material within the entire galaxy, the genes of a primarch and the emperor himself. The sacrifice of millions of troops and hundreds of ships to prevent the tyranid hive mind from getting primarch DNA is completely justified.
Don’t know if anyone else has said this but I suggest you should maybe do Captain Titus in order to make DK like a Ultramarine character, if he has enough lore that is.
So, Swarmlord, depending on how the fleets actually operate (I think it is the surrounded theory, Tyranid Victory in Gothic II shows the Fleets being the tendrils of a greater whole) as subdivisions of the whole or separate entities the basic method of the Swarmlord is the same but the scope is different. The Swarmlord/lords as a conscience has commanded thousands, tens of thousands, millions, billions probably of battles, every victory and every defeat is absorbed into this essence. Every time it comes back it comes back smarter. It is the ire of the hive/fleet made manifest, it's indomitable will and its endless hunger given form.
51:10 they do work together sometimes, and they seem to each have their own territory. for example, kraken (i think) evolved to fight chaos, and other swarms will conquer planets and leave the biomass to be slurped up by kraken, so it can focus on fighting chaos which is harder cause demons dont usually give biomass.
How to win against hive fleet behemoth first step plot armor second step bug spray third step trow your space chip at them and lose the most important artifact of your chapter . Profit?
Not just the water but even the atmosphere will be absorbed. If it has literally any use to organic life, they'll take it along with them just in case.
I like the ultra marines, mainly because they are the only faction with a sense of stability. Everyone else is so over the top that it’s nice to see a simple faction to be a standard to base others off of
Adeptus Ridiculous launches episode about nids and ultramarines... a day later Space Marine 2 is announced, Ultramarines vs nids... coincidence? I think not
As a long time tyranid fan, I have to give a fair warning. Low points cost is a blessing and a curse. Cheap on the table, exterminatus on the wallet.
No cost too great
I play Guard brother and let me tell you I can relate.
Seriously tho why do gaunts need to be do expensive
Have you heard of wartable games :))))
You can reframe it as turning your money into biomass. It's not that bad then
When Bricky talks instant evolution he doesn't mean that the individual bugs will suddenly grow gills. Rather, the hive will instantly start sending out the necessarily adapted bugs. The obsolete bugs will just go back into the digestive pools and be reabsorbed to make new ones. This still happens really fast, mind you.
Indeed.
Oh okay that clears it up. I just imagined a bunch of hormaguants growing gills the instant they see water.
Tyranid: oh shit jimmy got an upgrade. TO THE POOLS!
they just get Amazon prime 2 day delivery watergaunts bro
It is fast, but not so fast so that they can't be countered. If you have enough diversity in weaponry you can overwhelm them and they can't adapt fast enough.
There's a battle where the Imperium and the Tau worked together and fought against the Nyds. The Nyds couldn't adapt quickly and effectively enough to fight against both of them
On the World Eater's being smooth-brained; that's kinda the opposite of the problem, their brains literally have spikes sticking out of them.
So what your saying is they are Spiked Brain, since they can't be smooth brain
Angron and the World Eaters Traitor Legion are a lot smarter than we give them credit for, largely because they are indeed "spike brained"
But are the spikes smooth?
@@Ogongus if they were smooth they would not be effective in keeping the World Eaters and their Primarch in a perpetual state of anger
@@muttproductions2536 Oh that makes sense. I now use the bull shit magical fuckery of calculus to zoom in until it becomes smooth. 🤓🤪
The imperium believes and Hopes that the hive minds of each fleet are seperate. However, just as often as hive fleets have been observed competing, so too have they been observed cooperating as well. So while there remains hope that the minds of each fleet are seperate and not all arms of the same mind, there remains a distinct likelihood that all the hive fleets are parts of the same whole, and its competition against itself serves to confuse and obfuscate the situation or serves some other, inscrutable purpose.
It might be a domination display or perhaps just seeing whitch fleet is better and evolving off eachother and learn the weaknesses and what needs to be changed?
I mean, Tiamat (my little weirdo) gets regular biomass shipments from the other fleet since they can't move around like the others.
According to an old codex I read a decade ago, when two fleets fight each other it's usually when there's nothing else to eat. But not only does the winner gets the loser's biomass, it also gets its specific genetic traits and becomes even more dangerous! When a fleet with super acid fights a fleet with superstrong psyker units, you get a fleet twice as strong with super acid and superstrong psyker units.
@@Oscar_Lasco yes, but we've also seen traits developed by tyranids on one end of the galaxy pop up whole segmentii away, so absorption clearly isnt the only way genetic traits can be shared; they can share remotely regardless of distance if they choose to. So that raises the question: is this hive fleets fighting each other or a violent consolidation of 2 fleets by a higher intelligence? Or perhaps both already have the adaptation but not the necessary specific materials to manifest both traits, so the hive mind smashes the 2 fleets together to get one bigger, more powerful fleet while also using the oportunity to run a sort of live fire combat drill to gain combat experience without risking any biomass?
@@profsrlojohn635 exactly! If they're all independent, why would they be bringing Tiamat biomass??? Unless tiamat is some sort of support hive mind that is providing something to the others and they're paying for the service provided in trade which would imply a society of hive minds of some sort, which is terrifying in it's own right
Only 15 mins in and the absolute peak must be
"Cant you just get on a big boat and go to the middle of the ocean?"
"The Tyranids will drink the ocean then eat your ship"
Pure gold
Tyranids. Giant bugs capable of mutating and assimilating themselves with new abilities within days. They eat biomass for breakfast, but they can be beaten back. All you need is a strong wall, and enough guns. Luckily, my walls are always up to the task with build in Tyranid Grade Bugspray.
Thanks rogal
So that’s why you where encasing those Bane Wolves in the rampart walls.
They’ll eat the wall and chug the bugspray
We shall help man the wall my lord.
Or pull an uno reverse and deploy organism-consuming nanites. Just ask Farsight. No really, his enclave discovered how to instakill a whole swarm but, because this is 40k, the earth caste scientists who were involved injected themselves with the nanites and all the data was destroyed in the battle.
The problem with the ultramarines is how they are written
For example, them and the imperial fist are very similar and your bog standard marine, but if they were both to tell the same story it would have the ultramarines all survive except one and all become company captains and get their own models for the table top.
While the fists would all slowly die through the story and the last one sacrifices himself to destroy something and his helmet becomes a relic.
What the hell are on about, the Imperial Fists literally have a story about defeating an entire hive fleer with barbed wire
Pretty much sums up the death of the Imperial Fists 4th company at Tsakahedra
In the war of the beast the entire chapter dies fighting
A lot of it has to do with Matt Ward. Like, I think some of the vitriol thrown at Ward is overblown - sending the man death threats is a very "this is why we can't have nice things" moment, and anyone who did it should be ashamed of themselves - but he should be justly criticized for turning the Ultramarines into Mary Sues. To the point where they became the poster boys for the Space Marines, and by extension 40K as a whole.
@@TheTexasDice Fortification baybeeeee
The Ultramarines received some hideous casualties in Tyrannid wars, losing both First Company and Calgar's Honour Guard. They still managed to rebuild surprisingly fast, partially thanks to group known as Genesis Chapter. Established during the second founding to Ultramarine's neighbor and being extremely strict Codex followers, they can send their own troops to join Ultramarines in those rare cases when the fighting strength goes too low. A very unusual practice, but I suppose there is a good reason to prevent the nine founding Chapters from going extinct. Something similar happened with Imperial Fists: when facing extinction against the worst Ork attack in Imperial history, it's successors sent their best to rebuild the Chapter.
This battle was nevertheless a big service of Humble Pie for Ultramarines. Calgar wholeheartedly approved on founding of anti-Tyranid specialists as their own fighting force, which could be considered a pretty big deviation from Codex. Some of the more strict Codex following successor Chapters would have problems with that until Guilliman himself approved of the idea.
The Blood Angels also took in brothers from the various Chapters Of The Blood when their numbers got too low due to a corrupted Inquisitor's chaos shenanigans causing a civil war amongst their ranks. Gabriel Seth wasn't happy about it at first but came around in the end.
stopping one of the founding nine chapters from going extinct... ha ha yes "sweats in yellow" the fists were completely wiped out not a single one remained it was thanks to the successor chapters to secretly remake the chapter. look forward to hear DK's reaction to how the orks hold the literal entire impirium at gun point with the war of the beast
That many terminator suits shredded. Such a tragedy.
When you really think about it, successor chapters sending troops to replenish the numbers of the main chapter is evidence that the division of the Legions wasn't as concrete as it appeared.
Because, they are the Legion. The fount of the gene seed. You cannot let them fall.
Oh, the tyranid fleets ABSOLUTELY DO work together. For example, hive fleet Kronos is specialized in fighting warp-based enemies (demons and stuff), and because of that they don't actually get alot of biomass from fighting. So, other hive fleets just strip defences from some worlds, and leave them intact for Kronos to consume.
Other example is Hydra. It just follows Leviathan, and eats all the splinter fleets that are left from fighting. And those splinter fleets dont actually resist that much. Wich allows them to quickly combine broken forces into a new bigger and singular one.
Kronos is a splinter fleet of leviathan. Full on hive fleets don’t like each other because their hive minds can’t talk to their troops over each other. Ciaphas Cain: For the Greater Good goes into more detail on it, but the point is that two Hive fleets encountering each other would result in ant wars in space
@@11jerans I was under the impression it is all ONE hive mind. Their troops can either combine or fight to test out weaknesses and consume the losing forces but they don't dislike eachother or anything. It seems to be more of a single body with different specialized cells.
Gotta say, Devestation of Baal is a really good depiction of the Tyranids just rolling through and you see all the counter-measures the Blood Angels put in place. On top of all that and rallying nearly every chapter in defense, they barely squeaked out a pyrrhic victory with the Indomitus Crusade (good ol G-man) breaking the invasion.
It was a great book.
I don’t know if my knowledge is miss placed, but didn’t Dante of the Blood Angels kill a swarm lord single handed?
@@boredomsaftermath7707 The swarm lord did prove to be a challenge and Dante killed it but soon after dying from his own wounds till he was found.
@@Navituus that part in the book was amazing the swarmlord almost seemed to have self-consciousness and was mocking Dante but in the end Dante didn't give a fuck how wounded he was and blasted him. And well since Dante realllllyyyyyy wanted to die and be eith his father.
@Muhammedlee that was on the moon Baal Prime not on the main planet invasion
48:29
Tech preist: the primaris conversion has a 60% success rate.
Commander Dante: Go through with it anyway!
Tech preist: Its a miracle! Commander Dante survived.
Commander dante: YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME!
Poor Dante he just wants to die
@@adastial2104 Dante: yes! I finally have given everything for my brothers and mankind! I go now, but fear not brothers, for my teachings Will remain with y-y-you…
Venerable Dreadnaught Dante: TZZwhat?…. FUCK
He is a named character with a death wish... his plot armour is terminator levels of insane.
@@BR-bn1mz i think he will straight up become daemon of the emperor once he die
@@danang5 that's the most likely thing
“There were no First Company Ultramarines left, they had been slaughtered to the last man.”-Luetin09
And they had died standing back to back, brothers to the end.
@@cryamistellimek9184 the tyranids were the true heroes. Just listen to the last words of the swarmlord "SSSSGGCCccrrrrrrEEEEeeeEeaaaaaagggHhhhhGGGG"
and henceforth the first company would be colored bone white to remember the those that had fallen ... hmmm cool story Ultramarine, now tell us one about your chapter said every dark angel player.
I wonder if the Tyranid hive fleet would've absorbed the Ultramarines' plot armour if they had won.
The only true reward
Don't give GW any ideas
Yes
You again
They already have (maybe)
Devestation of Baal is unironically my favorite 40k novel. It's so 40k, but also gives you so much in the way of character archs, world expansion, and emotion. I literally cried at the end of chapter 21 or 22 when *it* happens... don't wanna spoiler.
The Guy Hayley trilogy on the Blood Angels is absolutely amazing imo.
It's is such a good book
The descriptions of space battles with the Tyranids are amazing, taking about frozen blood and viscera floating through the vacuum of space after barrages of fleet fire and the diamond teeth of forms grinding against the hull and windows of space hulks
They have to do Blood Angels before they do DoB though.
Best single 40K book to me and the series is top 3 as well. Guy Haley didn't start out that well during his war of the Beast books. However he is one of the top ones now.
DK isn't quite right about Hive Fleets "hating" one another. I think they work, mentally, a lot like how they work physically: as individual tendrils of a greater whole. When two hive fleets meet, they *will* fight and one will devour the other, but *not* in favour of defeating a greater enemy. They fight not because of animosity, but in *constructive* competition. The Hive Mind learns which of the two sets of adaptations were stronger, and the resultant combined swarm has access to the genetic memories and adaptations of the "defeated" swarm too. Even when it's eating itself, the Hive Mind *still* comes out on top!
So, while this probably won't get read, I'll feel a little better about it as a Tyranid player. Behemoth was the first and smallest of the three main Hive Fleets (the 3 Tyrannic Wars) The Ultramarines and their associated Guard regiments and fleets were able to hold off Behemoth, but the Blood Angela and their entire lineage plus associated Guard and fleets lost to the main thrust of Leviathan, and were only saved by Kabandha of all things. Also, Behemoth plowed through multiple worlds and left plenty of worlds seeded for future generations of Tyranids, Calth for example is still riddles with Termagants and Genestealers that came out of the woodworks when Old One Eye was defrosted
Don’t leave out Guilliman man rolled up right at the end with the indomitus fleet to tag team save the blood angels.
They have a unit called Narwhal they use for intergalactic travel. It basically creates a portal between it's location and the place they want to go, and they travel like that. Technically, this method is the fastest among all races iirc. However, they cannot exit the portal near stars, so their portals are a significant distance away from the planet they want to assault, after which they travel at sub light speeds.
Necrons and orcs have the fastest ways of space travel.
It isnt so much a portal as an artificial singularity. They then "fall" towards it and get dragged along really really fast, spending half the journey speeding up as they approach the half way mark and the second half slowing down so they dont just go hurtling past the target system. It is unclear if this can exceed the speed of light as of yet, and hard to truly measure with any accuracy as chaos stuff and the warp make causality weird but if nothing else, it gets them going at least at 99.99999% the speed of light, possibly even closer than that. If they dont have FTL, that's possibly even worse, because it means that due to the time it would still take them to get from point a to point b, they're intentionally faking battles being against the same hive fleet when in reality just about every fight has been a seperate component fleet of an even more incomprehensibly large whole, that has the strategic know how to fake having FTL travel by deploying sub light speed fleets and units in such a way as to create a false impression of ft. If this is the case, the galaxy isnt in the process of being invaded; it has already been infested in totality and the space between systems is likely thick with tyranids and we are simply seeing the opening stages of their deployment, and the situation is infinitely more dire than it is perceived to be as they arent being fooled by imperium strategies or even really loosing significantly; they're toying with us in such a way to make us think we could understand them and hope to win, when we have in fact already lost. Like a mouse that thinks its winning as it draws blood from the snake that is presently crushing its bones. Let us hope that this isnt the case and the imperium has the right idea of how the tyranids work. If not, it is already over save for the final snapping shut of the jaws
@@davidthomas2870 this exactly and great examples at that
NARWHALS NARWHALS, SWIMMIN' IN THE OCEAN! CAUSIN' A COMMITTION!!
Yeah, if they truly moved at sublight speeds they'd hardly be a concern, taking 100,000 years to cross a galaxy
"He's double fisting!"
Me a Imperial Fist Fan: Finally one of them blueberres gets it
another theory is that the Tyranids are actually running from something
And I like to think they’re running from the squats
Didn't the squats get wiped out by the tyranids?
That's what the Squats want you to think.
@@theexistentialnihilist2070 I laughed when I saw that and now I have toothpaste on my mirror.
@@confusedchocolate5260 the Tyranids absorbed the squats into their biomass. Now the squats are absorbing the Tyranids to become Super-Squats
Hive fleet Tiamet: Am i a joke to you?
One of the more interesting things about the battle of Macrage is that the ultra marines followed the codex astartes to the letter.
But at the time it was written there where no Nyds....
So many of the key tactics where like disrupt the suply lines, feed incorrect information, demoralize the oponent use cover fire where practiclly useless against the Nyds.
So if they wanted to survive they neded to do like the nyds and addapt, think outside the book use their battle experience come up with new tactics it was a wake up call to The ultramarines.
And specially to Callgar they can not depend onlly on the codex if they want to survive.
I hope Captain "the space book isn't perfect" Titus brings this stuff up specifically in his next game.
If they rewrote their conventions of war then ultramarines old rules had to be broken or they perish
Lets be pratical the nids should of chomped most of the ultramarines , its a planet wide scale invasion with square miles of nids chomping away 24/7 the ultramarines should of been over stretched overhelmed out flanked , surrounded and under siege to quickly and while they can defend the small areas their in the rest of the wider planet get munched before ultramarines can do anything to stop that. Nids are supposed to eat a planet surface in mere months not take years.
Just to add to the Swarmlords awesomeness.
It's not a bunch of separate 'lords, but the same one each time.
Use a tactic on him and next time he will remember that tactic in his next incarnation
So there’s only ONE Swarmlord in the Tyranid army or just one per fleet?
@@vinnylatoria4478 Interesting qyestion.
I would say that there is one template the overall hivemind keeps, and fleets use it as needed when they encounter particularly stiff resistance.
Everyone says that Chaos boys are enjoying that Emperor class ship. But I can't help but wonder if it's covered or infested with all the Tyranids that it took into the warp with it.
Meanwhile (due to Warp time space shenanigans) a few years before the War in Heaven:
Old One: Huh? What’s in here- OH MY GOD WTF!
Do you think the Tyranids could incorporate Warp Entities into their biomass? Because if they can then it’s very likely that if it’s still alive, it’s very powerful and possibly a Hive of Psykers on a level no one has seen.
@@fist-of-doom487 well in a big battle between Nids and Khorne Daemons both sides ended up leaving blue balled because the Daemons got no souls and the nids got no biomass. So I’d say no.
It is why niids seem to hate demons in my mind. They are one of the few beings that niids can't get stronger off of
@@sternguard77 The demons of Khorne did take a shit ton of skulls at Baal.
The best way to explain tyranids is imagine you have your army but at any given time you can recall your entire army and rebuild every soldier gun, and even down to the bullet to be exactly what you need within a day or two.
Think of the swarmlord like the brains of the body, synapse creatures like the nerves and organs and basic nids as cells, the hive mind expeds smaller bugs such as gaunts as if they were ammunition.
50:40 Its generally assumed the hive fleets compete with each other, however exceptions exist. There is a Hive fleet that specializes in fighting Chaos (Hive Fleet Kronos?), however killing Chaos typically leaves no biomass, so another hive fleet just goes around and rips the defenses out of various planets and then leaves so this other fleet can "easily consume" and keep its strength up.
I would like to thank - NOT YOU - the Legio Praetor for their valiant defense against the Tyranid horde.
Shut up, Cato.
Lie to yourself all you like, Cato Sicarius is always going to be the best Blue Man
I am offended that you would not acknowledge the accomplish of I, Cato Sicarius, when I, Cato Sicarius, have vanquished many enemies of the Emperor and filthy Xenos!
@@sgt.viktorreznov3rdshockar238 _Yeets the ugly blueberry via Ultra-Powerfist_
@@sgt.viktorreznov3rdshockar238 I CAST FIST!!!!
I have to say, Bricky you did an amazing job bringing justice to my very favorite character in 40K, and I hope a lot more people realize just how god damn awesome the swarmlord is thanks to this video
I remember old 5th ed Swarmlord. Any unsaved wound it inflicted resulted in instant death. I once had it and some tyrant guard charge down the centre after my friends chaos lord. He only had one choice. Retreat. Kept falling back and falling back. Eventually cornered him, but he parked a Rhino side on to block the Swarmlord.
15:20 The best explanation for why this isn't a tabletop thing is that there'd then be an actual ruleset enabling you to be That Kid in tabletop, always responding they have an anti (the exact specific thing you said) shield.
I'm disappointed that we didn't get to see him react to the picture of the Tyranid swarm encroaching on the galaxy.
DK would have lost it.
They literally have
he knows he acts like a noob
One small note regarding the different Hive Fleets and the possibility of different Hive Minds, it's mentioned in an old Tyranid Codex (5th ed, if I remember correctly), that the entirety of the Tyranid species is controlled by one singular Hive Mind. Any Hive Fleet that encounters another Hive Fleet will attack it, though this is comparable to you transferring money between two of your own bank accounts. The accounts may change in terms of value, but you overall don't lose any money. There is no net gain or loss of biomass when two Hive Fleets fight.
The Hive Fleet, most likely, pits the Hive Fleets against each other if they meet to test them. If Kraken beats up Jormungandr, then Kraken is more "deserving" of that biomass and may continue to use it to evolve. At the end of the day, the Tyranid race as a whole doesn't lose any of their biomass.
The thing with Kryptman was he would not warn planet's that the nids were coming or evacuate citizens or anything.
He'd wait for the nids to arrive and invade the planet and as soon as they had won and committed all the resources they were going to, then he'd exterminatus the planet.
Essentially his logic was if the nid fleet had 100 units of biomass, attacked a planet worth 40 units, and used 20 to take the planet then they would not only gain that 40, they'd also get their 20 back giving them a net profit of 40.
However if they didn't get any of that biomass at the end they'd be down 20 units to 80. Kryptman figured if he could lure the nids into attacked biomass rich worlds and do that enough he'd eventually starve them to death. It's logical but horrifying. It's a plan a sociopath would come up with.
Yes trillions would live but he'd have to sacrifice billions of people to do it every time the nids showed up which is most definitely a net negative loss in population which will definitely start to hurt, especially the fact that those planet's are often pretty important to the sector and sometimes the galaxy. Agriworlds, industrial worlds, massive population centers, resource rich worlds. There's no way that the imperium won't feel the losses eventually. Especially since we don't know how many nids there actually are.
On the Hitler Scale of Genocides he did about 10,000 Hitlers in case you're wondering. (Note that the total number of people killed by the Nazis outside of combat numbers around 10 million, 6 million of which were Jewish people. I do not count combatants and civilians killed outside of the death camps in his kill count).
He was terrifyingly efficient
17 million outside of combat, not 10.
The crazy thing is that is probably the only way to fight the nids and have some success that doesn't involve heavy plot armor
That countdown for the premiere was the most hilariously intense I have ever seen.
There is actually one situation of two hive fleets working together that I can remember and that's Hive Fleet Kronos and leftovers of Hive Fleet Leviathan since Kronos' 'duty' within the greater Hive Mind's plan is to prevent the spread of the Warp and thus protect the supply of food but, since they can't eat Chaos, they thusly have the problem that they rarely get to resupply. To that end, splinter fleets of Hive Fleet Leviathan will roll up to random worlds, eat all the defenders, destroy all ships and any other forms of communication but leave the civilian populace, fauna and flora behind undefended so that Hive Fleet Kronos can essentially use it as a free lunch.
I like how they talk about the tyranids and ultramarine, the next day Space Marines 2 came out. Ahhhh a wonderful time.
Bricky: You cant poison the Tyranids
Tau Earth Caste: haha bug spray goes psssss
nids: Mmm spicy.
Explain?
Blood ravens : we did it
I still think Kryptman might need an episode of his own cause I feel like Bricky is doing the man wrong. Cause he's certainly done horrific things, but the read I've always gotten from him IS more 'Thanos' than 'standard mad with power Inquisitor'. All the lore I've read on him is that he's one of the few people, because he's focused on fighting the Tyranids so much, to understand just how badly they're going to fuck up the galaxy if they are defended against. Like to quote 'if every bullet from the galaxy is fired and kills a Tyranid, they will still over run it with sheer numbers' fucked. Other characters and figures know the Tyranids are bad, but its Kryptman, Tiberious of the Ultramarines, and the Silent King who really seem to grasp just how bad the threat is.
Kryptman is unbelievably callous with human life (see letting the 'nids attack inhabited planets, waiting until they're committed, and then Exterminatusing the planet rather than evacuating it) but there is a good reason for it. The same way Bricky noted that Curze is monster but he's also a fascinating monster. Kryptmann realizes that the Tyranids aren't just an invading faction, they're a voracious force of nature and he treats them as such and he's completely willing to put his own hide on the line to try and stop them (see leading teams to capture live genestealers or infiltrating tyranid hive fleets to study and try to disrupt them).
The problem is, Kryptmann is fighting a desperate battle to save humanity from being devoured but the rest of the Imperium and Inquisition see a guy who's completely lost it with his methods. Plus, Kryptmann did start the Octarious war between Orks and 'nids as a last ditch scheme and time will only tell if that save the Imperium or doomed the galaxy, lol.
The Tyranids won that war. They came out stronger.
Got into 'Nids back in 1995 when they released the Hive War 'expansion' for Epic which is when all of this lore was introduced. Before that the Tyranids were just another race in the 40k galaxy that were heavily into biotechnology and were around during the Great Crusade, Genestealers were something separate and Zoats were a...thing. When they got all there new lore though they changed into an unknowable cosmic horror and were just _so. damn. cool!_ Shame they never get that representation on the table top.
Before Devastation of Baal though you have to do the Kryptman Gambit and the Battle of Piscina IV (THE PLANET IS CALLED SWIMMING POOL!) which is the turning point of the Second Tyrannic war against Hive Fleet Kraken.
I thought it was Ichar IV?
I think it would have been a good idea to bring up the map of Behemoth and the Ultramar system at the end once again. The efforts to stop the nids at MAccrage was against a tendril of the fleet, not the entire fleet itself. THEN you go to the map showing the other fleets and that they are approaching from all directions. THEN you understand why the Silent King went, "OH NO, BUGS!" and came back to revive his race.
Seeing the reveal of Space Marine II after watching this episode was a real treat for the soul.
Kryptman: >clusternukes several entire planets into oblivion because they MIGHT be a food source for the 'nids<
Literally Hitler: *_"Vielen scheisse, mein Gott, bist du wirklich verrukt, du absolutes MONSTER."_*
Was kyptman aslo in charge of the huge tyrinid/Orc war?
@@woaddragon Aye, Krypty-boy caused the Octarius war that Death Korps is unfucking ATM.
Thus far, we only know of 12 Emperor Class Battleships that have existed in 40k, of which 10 are now remaining:
Divine Right - seen during the Gothic War. The Divine Right, first the flagship of Battlefleet Artemis, and later the flagship of Battlefleet Gothic, won great renown during the Gothic War.
Dominus Astra - played a pivotal role in defeating Hive Fleet Behemoth and ending the Battle for Macragge when it entered the heart of the Tyranid fleet and detonated its Warp Drives, dragging the entire Tyranid fleet along with itself into the Warp.
Enduring Blade -Lost when overrun by demon boarding parties.
Excelsis Cruor - The Excelsis Cruor that served as the command ship for Lord High Admiral of the Imperial Navy Merelda Pereth. It was one of the few major ships of the line in Terra's orbit following the chaos of the Noctis Aeterna.
Fist of Righteousness - Led a fleet to relieve the Eldar siege of Kabaal III.
Indomitable Wrath - Unknown history.
Inomine Veritas - The Inomine Veritas took part in the Third War for Armageddon.
Legatus Stygies - Legatus Stygies is an Emperor Class Battleship which was seen in action during the Age of Apostasy where it survived a ramming attack during the Battle of Callavell. It was also seen during the Gothic War; it escaped destruction during the Purgation of Ulthranx and destroyed the Chaos battleship Black Pain.
Lord of Light - The Lord of Light was part of the fleet of Lord Commander Solar Macharius. Following the near-destruction of his flagship Pax Imperium, a Mars-class Battlecruiser, at the Battle of Charaxdis, his senior staff persuaded Macharius to transfer his flag to the Lord of Light. Following Macharius' death, the Lord of Light was decommissioned and now orbits the Shrine World of Macharia as a tribute in his honour.
Pax Imperialis - The Kingmaker was a Chaos-corrupted Exorcist-class Grand Cruiser thought to have been lost in the late 41st Millennium while on patrol near Agripinaa, but it appeared four Terran years later as part of a Black Legion fleet that destroyed an Imperial convoy between Cadia and Belis Corona. Afterwards, the Pax Imperialis was charged with destroying the Kingmaker and this began a two-solar-month pursuit that ended in the asteroid belts of the Crinan System. Though normally a grand cruiser would be no match for a full battleship, the Kingmaker had been corrupted by the power of Chaos and managed to hold out long enough for reinforcements to arrive. This caused the Pax Imperialis ' commander, Vice Admiral Chanke, to order a retreat. While the battleship was able to escape, it was forced to leave behind its voidcraft that had been launched to deliver the final blow to the Kingmaker. When the 13th Black Crusade began, the Kingmaker was among the Black Fleet's warships that attacked the Imperial forces defending Cadia. It was there that the grand cruiser clashed with the Pax Imperialis once again, but this time it was the Kingmaker that was forced to retreat, after the battleship severely damaged it. However, when Cadia was lost to Chaos, the Imperial forces escaped from the Cadian System and it is not known what became of the Kingmaker.
Revenge - The Revenge was the flagship of Battlefleet Demeter and played an important role during the Pandorax Campaign fighting against the fleets of the Black Legion and the Red Corsairs.
Mercy of the Blade - The Mercy of the Blade is an Imperial Navy Emperor Battleship that serves in Battlefleet Charadon and it took part in the Charadon Campaign, escaping from Typhus as he attempted to invade Forge World Metalica.
What about the eternal crusader? I thought that was an emperor class battleship
The Eternal Crusader was/is actually a Gloriana Class Battleship, Dorn’s flagship (after the Phalanx), estimated to be about 20 kilometers long.
This is compared to the Emperor class battleship, at only about between 8 and 12 kilometres long.
I forget which fleet it was but one of them just came from galactic down. Like if the other hive fleets were left and right hooks, one of them was an uppercut.
Hive fleets Leviathan and Kronos are the ones you are thinking of, with the former being broken up into a colossal number of smaller, dagger thrust like fleets to spread the shadow in the warp as wide as possible and the latter ariving some time later in leviathans wake and making a beeline for the great rift as it seems to be an anti chaos fleet
@@davidthomas2870 Kronos is a splinter of Leviathan that is specifically anti-Chaos yes. Leviathan has been leaving certain worlds behind for Kronos to eat instead, and while Leviathan spreads out to eat as much of the galactic south as they can, Kronos is heading straight for the Maelstrom and the galactic core.
*Swarmlord pulls up to Calgar*
Calgar: "You begging for a fistin', boy?"
Me: *W H E E Z E* 🤣🤣🤣
The Battle for Macragge Starter Box was my first introduction to 40k so it has a special place in my heart, despite not playing Marines or Tyranids anymore.
Based lore
@@EldenLord1142 It may be based, but it’s the lore that hooked me.
@@ianbabcock6802 i meant that as a good thing
@@EldenLord1142 Oh, sorry about that.
I love how Old One Eye is featured in the graphic!
51:08 Not exactly, but Leviathan was so massive it was able to launch a two-pronged assault on the galaxy: one massive tendril on one side, another massive tendril on the other
59:23 Oh you bet that video made be a White Scar fan. I love this podcast and its why Custodes, White Scar, and Necrons are my favorite factions.
No one:
Tyranids: _Mmm tasty feet, good succulent biomass for the hive_
Im supprised they didnt talk about old one eye the immortal tyrinid that stalked around macrag for awhile after the smurfs won and is in the thumbnail
At some point, you guys need to talk about the Zoats and Hive Fleet Colossus.
All i could think of when that armless tts calgar was shown was "TIS BUT A SCRATCH"
“You goin’ for a fistin’, boi?!”
- Marneus Calgar, Chapter Master of the Ultramarines
Who here agrees that the one of the many things that are keeping the fandom divided is the fandom’s hatred towards the Ultramarines?
the zooming in on the buzz lightyear face adds _so much_
Speaking of old rules that were insanely bullshit and acceptable because old codex... Necron's Gauss weapons could hurt _anything_ on a 6. Including tanks. All Scythes armed models ignored invulnerable save, just because. Reanimation protocol didn't care about wound number, for each success you just stood a model back. Necron flying transport didn't kill their passengers when destroyed, they were just put in reserve, void weapons and scarabs permanently diminished the blindage of vehicules... Boy, Necrons had fun toys but GW didn't like them being strong so they lost tons of it...
Looks at the nids, looks at the Galaxy, looks towards chaos.
“There are better options then dead.”
Given the last few Chaos related videos, are you sure?
@@kyleharrell4853 I mean, it’s bad, but if I’m get sent to the warp when I die, I’m at least going on my own terms
@@kyleharrell4853 speaking of wich, we are getting Daemonculaba very soon!
@@goldenguardian8753 HERESY
@@exzyyd392 to be fair, I play the blueberry’s in tabletop
I think I let out a strangled ''NO'' when I heard Inquisitor Kryptman making his debut in this series.
they should do the first war for armagedon and "the months of shame"
also great episode btw
As a Tyranid fan I've heard about the first Tyrannic war so many times... but I'm never opposed to hearing about it again :)
Wow, almost perfect timing with the announcement trailer for Space Marines 2.
"Literally anyone" punches ultra marine in face.
Dk- I'm a huge fan of your work
I can't wait till you guys get to the devastation of Baal, one of my favorite 40K stories. The Angels reformed the legion and held the line.
my first podcast with my tank hoodie i ordered early november.
it was worth the wait.
Since I got into Warhammer 40k like 2 years ago, I was very interested in buying Tyranids but this episode only reinforced the fact that they are absolutely insane. Gonna get that starter pack and some more lil nids !
Okay they didn’t quite give tyran Justice in its one sided defense against the tyranids, so I’ll try my best. When the tyranids first showed up on the eastern fringe of the Milky Way they immediately set about invading worlds to replenish the stores on their bio ships. They only attacked worlds with no starfaring sentient xenos at first, but they were packed with everything necessary to make more tyranids. Eventually the tyranids moved to attack tyran, but on the way an exploratory vessel of that world chanced upon seeing the massive fleet of the tyranids approaching tyran and fled back to tyran but not before receiving several wounds to its hull. Warning made it to tyran and it prepared its defenses. You see tyran was a relatively useful and important research and observation base on the eastern fringe, and xenos and barbarian raids are quite probable and often, so the base was stocked with plenty of defenses and ammunition to protect from xenos as well as the monstrous maritime monsters of the ocean world. They had a main facility where the magos who was the planetary governor of the world stayed and pockmarked bunkers, bastions and other fortifications on the outer perimeter, a defense grid of 36 auto cannons and lascannons inceptor class turret implacements defended the site from any external threat. There were also 4 massive laser defense crystals all protected in feet thick silos of ceramite a full imperial guard regiment with some catachan elements and a company of skitarri (can’t remember which type sorry) three full wings of thunderbolt fighters and last of all was a small defense fleet of three small cruisers in orbit. When the tyranids came they were partially obscured by thick clouds of spores and mines millions of my mycetic spores rained from the sky and fell into the ocean, not many made it because of the defense lasers and thunderbolts shooting them down before they could land the cruisers also went to work attacking the tyranid fleet. Soon the tyranids withdrew and the magos became cocky, he ordered the cruisers to advance upon the fleeing tyranid fleet and Harry there forces. After the tyranids had drawn the cruisers away from the defenses the planet had to offer they revealed the full extent of their naval might. Out of the dozens of ships that had been destroyed, there remained thousands to millions more. Immediately a cruiser was destroyed when a tyranid ship belched millions of smaller organisms that burrowed into the ship and melted it the second ship was torn apart by grasping tendrils that pulled it into the maw of a bio ship the third ship however had just enough time to send a warning back to tyran before leech like pseudo pods gnawed through its hull and released swarms of genestealers into its middle and lower decks, the ship was utterly cleaned out and its crew turned to a bloody mass. The ships advanced to tyran once more. Without the aid of the cruisers the spores rained down twice as heavy into the ocean. The great marine creatures were torn asunder with absolutely no difficulty by the tyranids they broke through the water and scrabbled up the walls of the research base the smaller creatures stood absolutely no chance against the auto cannons and much less the lascannons, so the fleet sent out larger foes. The base held on and seemed immovable. Disciplined volleys of lasfire from the guardsman deemed enough to kill the small little protected forms of the lesser gaunts and genestealers. The defense began to crack however as the northern defense laser fell silent after thousands of gargoyles hurled their bodies into the battle of the massive gun choking it. The eastern defense laser fell soon after when a carnifex penetrated the walls of the tower and tore its cooling system apart. The thunderbolts also fell when their engines clogged or when their pilots were ripped from the cockpit screaming by harpies. As the defense withered spores rained onto the base itself. In an hour all of the bastions and bunkers had been destroyed and all of the turrets and defense lasers had gone eerily silent. Even the stalwart catachans attempted to flee to escape a grizzly fate that was in the end unavoidable they died alone and separated picked off by the uncaring zurg. Only the command bunker still stood, but the walls began to crack from the larger bio forms, magos carnal observed the massive unstoppable tide outside of his once impregnable outpost on his few remaining displays. At last the adamantium gate crashed inward and the tyranids rushed inwards. The guardsman fought with flamers and whatever weaponry the could get, sometimes their bare hands. The magos witnessed this all and as the tyranids finally breached the command center where the magos stayed, he sent a data codex of all they had witnessed, everything they knew about the tyranids plummeting into the depths of the outpost, deep into the world where he hoped it would be found by imperials, and maybe give them a fighting chance against the encoming threat of the tyranids, he thought all this as the data codex plummeted into depths of the outpost and as the tyranids closed on the last living soul on the planet. This was the legacy of tyran and what the tyranids were named after. Tyran stands
According to the book 'Jaghatai Khan: Warhawk of Chogoris,' the construction of the Gloriana class battleship cost Mars 5% of their natural resources to make just one. Not sure if Gloriana-class Battleship is bigger than Emperor class but one thing is for sure, Gloriana class are made for Primarch as their personal ship.
Swarm lord: *growls challenge*
Chapter master Calgar: YOU TALKING SHIT BOY!
We forget that while the ultramarines always win they usually get absolutely WRECKED doing so.
35:40 I always imagined this part pretty much exactly like that one scene in 2003 clone wars, where the arc trooper's gunship burst into the wreckage where Grievous fought the jedi.
"And as for my Inquisition friend. The Imperium thinks it can infiltrate the Solemnace Galleries of Doctor Trazyn the Infinite?"
“You can’t scare me you green eyed metal bastard!”
“Take her to Ultramar.”
“NO, NOT ULTRAMAR! ANYTHING BUT THAT! PLEASE NO! NO! NO!!! NO!!!!! NOT ULTRAMAR!"
I love him nerding out when he hears the scale of the invasion. That's the beauty of the 40k universe
The moment you see this commend, a new trailer of Warhammer 40k spacmarine 2 is out now, and as you will see in the trailer that Calgar literally 1v1 Swarm Lord
Ain't it hilarious that our boy Bricky talks us about UltraSmurfs vs Tyranids.
And a day later we get an announcement for Space Marines II and it is:
ULTRASMURFS VS TYRANIDS!
So you do a ultra marines vs tyranid video and then soon after space marine 2 comes out doing the same thing. You know something we didn't
Tyranid Swarm lord: ah i see your approaching me
Calgar: only way for me to kick your ass is if i get closer.
The tyranids are learning quickly there has even been a sighting of the tyranids constructing there own version of the necron pylons (these pylons would amplify the shadow in the warp)
with the news of space marine 2 being on the way, it would be cool to see you guys do a playthrough of the first game, and hear DKs reactions to the wild crap that captain titus gets up to. as well as the orks being orks
If you thought this was bad, you should talk about the Devastation of Baal. Literally all the blood angels and their successor chapters fought Leviathan, and at best the Flesh Tearers and main Blood Angels are probably the only ones that still have firstborn marines, and only just barely.
Watching this podcast is making me an ultramarine fan out of sheer spite
The nids always remind me of the Vord, from codex Alera by Jim butcher
This was excellent timing, I can't believe this gets released the day before the announcment of Space Marine 2 with the First Tyrannic war and Battle for Macragge.
Love these episodes can't wait for an Iron Hands and Ferrus Manus episode
The tyranids may be a bigger menace to the galaxy than chaos itself. Given what's hinted about their true numbers, it's possible that even a United galaxy, were talking the imperium, chaos and all xenos pointing their guns at the tyranids alone, might not be enough, I'm not even a nid fan.
Wow. Did I just witnessed DK complementing my bois the Ultramarines? I like it. More please.
did u guys know how appropriate this episode was, that timing is down right precognitive, there is a psycher among u
In the resurection of jerry beans man ep, bricky mentioned that, the leader of the psychers of the blueberrymarines once invaded the tyranids hive mind and lived.
Hearing DK be awed by the level of Nids makes me super happy. 🥰
You easily forget how adaptable Tyranids are supposed to be, considering their minis did not get updates in such a long time ^^
Its actually kinda more of an ego blow for Kalgar cause when Guilliman comes back he symbollically demotes kalgar because of how poorly he defended McCragg from the nids
The destruction of the emperor class battleship was entirely necessary as if they failed to stop the tyranids the hive fleet would have gotten by far one of the greatest bits of genetic material within the entire galaxy, the genes of a primarch and the emperor himself. The sacrifice of millions of troops and hundreds of ships to prevent the tyranid hive mind from getting primarch DNA is completely justified.
Don’t know if anyone else has said this but I suggest you should maybe do Captain Titus in order to make DK like a Ultramarine character, if he has enough lore that is.
So, Swarmlord, depending on how the fleets actually operate (I think it is the surrounded theory, Tyranid Victory in Gothic II shows the Fleets being the tendrils of a greater whole) as subdivisions of the whole or separate entities the basic method of the Swarmlord is the same but the scope is different. The Swarmlord/lords as a conscience has commanded thousands, tens of thousands, millions, billions probably of battles, every victory and every defeat is absorbed into this essence. Every time it comes back it comes back smarter. It is the ire of the hive/fleet made manifest, it's indomitable will and its endless hunger given form.
51:10 they do work together sometimes, and they seem to each have their own territory. for example, kraken (i think) evolved to fight chaos, and other swarms will conquer planets and leave the biomass to be slurped up by kraken, so it can focus on fighting chaos which is harder cause demons dont usually give biomass.
How to win against hive fleet behemoth first step plot armor second step bug spray third step trow your space chip at them and lose the most important artifact of your chapter . Profit?
Not just the water but even the atmosphere will be absorbed. If it has literally any use to organic life, they'll take it along with them just in case.
Well this episode was freakin well timed with the space marines 2 trailer lol
Calgar fighting the swarm lord: thats a big beasty ama wrestle it!
Also nids are excellent for kit bashing new monsters, like I'm making a tyranid Warrior with a spider body
I like the ultra marines, mainly because they are the only faction with a sense of stability. Everyone else is so over the top that it’s nice to see a simple faction to be a standard to base others off of
Imperial Fists
I want to see them do A complete coverage of the Sieg of Vraks... I would patreon High lord tier for at least a few months for that.
Adeptus Ridiculous launches episode about nids and ultramarines... a day later Space Marine 2 is announced, Ultramarines vs nids... coincidence? I think not