NHBC vs Spandrel Panels! (They Cant Make Their Mind Up!🤔)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ก.ค. 2024
- In this video i show the new way we have to fit spandrel panels, the way we have fitted them has changed a lot over the years to improve fire stops and to secure the panel to the trusses! Let me know how you have to fit yours in the comments!! 👌
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Really like the fire boxings, have do them on my site amazing work well done👍🏼
Thanks pal! Yeah that was a master piece of mine! 👌
Awesome mate!
Cheers pal!
Mate honestly they fkin make it up as they go, do something perfect and they just have to find something
Also a tip with screwing the straps, just get 4 x 25’s and hammer them in lol
I know mate it’s an endless battle! Constantly moving the goal posts just to make themselves a job! Haha
@@Lyonscarpentry I do the same, I nail them to the 4x1's on the scaff, then nail the 4x1's to the trusses, much easier 👍
@@kevob6800 I haven’t done roofing in a very long time so haven’t had the chance to do it! Lol roofing prices are just too low these days for the work involved - same with joists, 1st & 2nd fixes only for me nowadays👍🏻
I think the 1.2 up the rafter is Requirements for Scotland 🤷🏼♂️
by the time all that's done surely its better and more cost effective to just build the cavity wall up to the top of the rafters
Yeah I think so too, at first it was good because we could complete both roofs in one visit because we didn’t have to leave some trusses back for scaffold/ block work etc. but now it’s getting such a big job it’s best in block again! Hahah gone full circle 🤣😬
@@ashleydavenport3794 firm I work for use external and internal panels. Have been doing for years. You should see the detail for restraining external panels that has just been designed. Takes about half a day to fit one external panel. They have changed them again now. And most recently, they are returning to traditional blkwrk gables…..
Ive had the same problems, 20+ straps on an ordinary gable. Also been snagged on overlapping diagonals now 🙄
Not good is it pal! 👎
He just as quick and probably cheaper to just get the brickys to build up in block work. All these new ways aren’t always better
Yeah I’d say so too pal. So much stuff involved with the panel that it isn’t quick or easy anymore 🤣👎
The method with straps and the way you have done it are both accepted and are 2018 regs but a lot of sites / nhbc inspectors have had trouble interpreting it. You only need to do 2m ctrs on the rake not 1.2m, and the way you have stiched to the panel on the rake is wrong, they should be below the 4x1's so that insulation can be layed ontop for firestopping(done by the roofer)
We also have to gauge the straps on the block gables so they land on a course
Ahhh! Would probs be easier for nailing below the 4x1 too I’ll get on that next time! 👌 yeah we do too much for the brickys don’t we! 🤣🙄
Yea we got pulled for not having straps walled in 😢 but then on another site they was fine with fixings
Instead of the 3x2 being stiched to the panel above the 4x1 bracing we have to stich a 4x2 underneath the 4x1 to the panel and screw the end of the straps into the 4x2.
Sounds like even more hassle! Haha 👎
The same but only over 3 trusses and I put my 3x2 on the underside
Ah yeah still rubbish tho! Yeah sometimes we have to put it underneath if the panel is higher
Straps at 2m on the rafter chord, Straps at 1.2 on the ceiling chord butting up to spandrel wall they want where I am. All 2 storey houses. Is that a 3 storey house on your video? But you’re right it can be mind boggling sometimes
Yeah we used to be okay with 2m centres on the ceilings but made it worse now haha! That’s on a 2 story house in the video pal! Pain they are! Hahah
Should just go back to block the full wall it must cost way more now as it’s over engineered to the max it’s always the joiners to sort it out
I know mate. It’s gone full circle! But like always the jobs get added to the joiners list for no extra money! 👎😞
They changed the insulation to rockwool now on Wain Homes 😩
Can’t decide what they want can they!! Haha
So hard to earn a bit of money on site now. Always adding to it with no extra money.
I know the price gets so diluted as the job goes on and more and more gets added! 👎🙄
It will only take 5 mins. All i ever hear.
@@user-xz3iv6tw2i very true!! 🤣
Former bricky, been off the tools for a decade. Not seen these panels before. Are they instead of taking the party gable up in blockwork? Also, what are those fire boxes all about. Do you not use the fire socks anymore?
Yeah they replace taking the party gable up. Saves time and money I imagine. Still use the fire cavity socks but the boxes are in because nhbc say that fire can pass between the building in that section of the roof. Just another silly nhbc requirement. Some sites will just stuff fire rated insulation in that area and get away with it
@@sidtomo2257 yeah exactly right! On the nhbc book it says the insulation stuff is okay at the eaves but of course the manager and building inspector want the fire box on that job! 🥱👎🤣
Makes u laugh when the roof battens pass across the adjoining property next they will want a continuous fireboard there to
@@leehalling8635 I know yeah good point! Haha have to have a foot gap and float the tiles across that point 🤣🤣
Has your price increased for the extra work? Last time I had to fix spandrels like that was on care home roofs.
They did abit on the start of this new job but not since they’ve added more stuff to the spandrels so basically no! Haha 👎
@@ashleydavenport3794wankers. They done the same with me
Thank god someone else is noticing this it’s been a bloody nightmare for my company of late. However I did catch one of the fuckers out on site where we were asked to do a different detail to what I had been provided, I rang the truss manufacturer and they confirmed that in fact the detail they had was wrong
Yeah it’s just a constant changing battle isn’t it! A nightmare tbh, I wouldn’t like to be pricing jobs nowadays haha!
It’s a nightmare mate you can’t win either way, builders don’t wanna pay for it and nsbc want a million different things no one has ever heard of
Just do what everyone els does and leave the fire board off the joint in the pannels so the first fixer has to do it later 😂
I am the 1st fixer tho!!! 🤣🤣😭
Yeh same with ceiling cord bracing & straps @1.2 but then a 6x2 not a 3x2 fixed to panel…that’s what the truss manufacturer specs. 🤦🏻♂️
We would have to fit the 6x2 below the 4x1 as it would be above the roof line haha. Is that what you’ve got todo?
@@ashleydavenport3794 yeh exactly that mate👍🏼 Then have 3x2 ledgers fixed over a min. of 2 studs on the panel following truss webbing then bracing on webbing nailed to that aswell.
@@sambrown1765 😬👎
I was going to reply how we do it but the thought of explaining all the unnecessary bullshit will kill any enthusiasm I have left in me today 😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣 don’t worry pal! I feel the same haha
We get separate price for the roof and for the work involved in the spandrel panel just wondering what you get paid for doing both sides of the spandrel panel (we get £36 total) it's a joke.
We don’t get anything extra, all in with the roof price! Even worse 🤣👎👎👎
Makes me so sad.... what an overkill... Really nice job on it tho! But the amount of extra nails and screws u have to use is insane... Funny thing is, they can say, yes but we pay more for the straps fixed in, but the price of the straps was always so bad.... like 1,50 or smg like that a piece . Used to really enjoy doing roofs and it was decent money, but now unless u have loads of apperentices do the the straps and crap like that its just a struggle...
Yeah I know what you’re saying! They are sucking the fun out of the job. The only roofs that are slightly okay still are detached houses! I’m gonna have to say no to semis soon! May aswell stay at home 🤣
@@ashleydavenport3794 yes, semis and maybe hip roofs
does all of that stop someone cutting a hole in it and getting into next doors house????
Nope! I always think that. Could rob next doors house then patch it back up and they would never know 🤣🤣
Where’s the Christmas tree gone!!! Hahaha
Bloody NHBC 🥴
Tell me about it!! 🙄🤣
Similar to how we do it but weve got to put 1500 straps @ 2m c/c going up the gable screwed in to the spandrel 🤦♂️🤮
I live in a 100yr old stone house without a single strap & still the original slate roof😂
Sites have turned into a load of Bollocks
I know pal it’s mental, they are getting worse and so are the materials 🤣👎
No way i go on jobs that have nhbc inspectors , they literally have to find fault they are quota’d on the amount they find .
Goalposts change daily and youve got some suited dipshit ex office clerk who fancied a change telling you total crap .
Building control should run it all , it all has to go past them in the end 🤷🏻♂️
I know ahh! It’s not good is it pal! Just need to be told one thing and it stays at that and everyone does the same 🤣 surely it’s not that hard todo haha!