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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 พ.ค. 2023
- Manchester City are Premier League champions, but questions remain about how the club does business.
People don't know if this team, this whole project is based on some wrongdoing in the past, because City stand accused of over 100 breaches of the Premier League's financial rules.
The BBC's Ros Atkins explains.
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Of course, it’s never been an even playing field financially, but the disparities between the richest and poorest teams are starker than ever, and if you look at the stats for who comes where in the Premier League, it’s consistently the wealthiest who fill the top spots, with teams like Leicester being very rare anomalies. Money’s rules and money rules.
USA Owners Clubs,Utd,Pool,Ars..
Conspired greedy Super League
But City are Cheaty
City Vs Establishment?🤔
That's not true look at Chelsea, west ham were bigger but Chelsea went into huge debt and took 15yr of continuous debt until they started to get money back, city meanwhile just couldn't wait 20yrs so they cheated instead.
👆Needs to comment on everything.
Talent rules. Money follows.
Wokey.
@@tastypymp1287 Cope. Seethe. Cry. 😿
This happens year after year, the punishments need to be more severe
Did you listen to the bit where it was stated that there was no evidence of cheating?
no evidence mate. keeping crying and cope
who have been punished?
there is 0 evidence of any cheating, hence city a seeking legal charges against the league for bringing up lies to hinder the club
FFP is clearly designed to prevent smaller clubs from challenging those with longer histories. Based on revenue and past performance is a major handicap for smaller clubs. Look at how much Chelsea have spent in under 1 year, around half of City's total spend.
Nope it was designed to stop clubs going bankrupt by depending on rich owners for their finance.
@@lilbaz8732 You cannot be that naive....
City has never been a small club. If you really want to help smaller clubs we need to completely change how the money is distributed through the football pyramid.
@@lilbaz8732 Oh yeah I'm sure that's why half the clubs in the world like Manchester United, Barcelona, and Real madrid ARE IN DEBT
@@Nal1 most companies have some form of debt. Most people do aswell, mortgages etc...
Ask yourself why did smaller clubs vote for ffp? The efl voted it in. The prem (which needed a 2/3 majority). Most countries in europe. If it was only a plan to keep the big clubs big and the small clubs weak, why would they vote for it?
Their sponsor is their owner. That is already a clear conflict of interest. Pointless.
Well first of all, that's not true! However - it's funny that nobody seemed to find that an issue when King Power sponsored Leicester, Aviation Gin are a major sponsor of Wrexham etc. etc.
No, it is true. All of their sponsors have money funnelled through them by their owners. Cheats.
@@jackpowrie3 that’s not cheating is it 😂
@@Fozykeno it’s considered cheating by FFP standards, that’s why numerous charges relate to over-inflated sponsorship revenue/income.
@@TT-hx9nj not when you cook the books in their entirety, make up how much the payments are and run the club at a catastrophic loss but pretend you are within FFP. But obviously, they are totally innocent.
We all know big money ruined football in the UK..
It depends on what you would call ruining football, we have the best sides in Europe, our national team now consistently gets to semifinals/finals the lionesses actually won the Euros, I mean just because your or my favourite team isn’t winning doesn’t mean the game is ruined, if anything the game is better than ever in the U.K.
It’s probably not sustainable but to act like the game is worse is crazy
@@SgtS1lky tell him
This is so unfair because these rules basically means big teams should remain big while small team should remain small. If they want to be fair they should say all clubs should spend the same amount of money not wat the club is worth coz all clubs ain't equal. Psg have all the stars and expensive players. Real Madrid use to do that.
All the clubs in the Premier league started in the same boat. Small clubs like City had 147 years to become a big club, Liverpool, United and Arsenal became big clubs off there own backs through hard work and success on the pitch. That didn't happen for city so we should allow them to piss over 150 years of football history and be in a position they haven't earned all because they've been given unlimited money to spend by a state with an active slave trade who are using them for the sole purpose of sportwashing there dirty global image?
Absolutely not there are clubs which have grown organically and their overall sponsorship, commercial and broadcasting revenue has increased over the years Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth and Fulham have over the years staying within FFP rules.
A big point is that you should not spend more than you earn. All agree on that. Who does that hit? The smaller clubs will need years to develop their revenue - taking it step by step. The bigger clubs a very different possibilities to further expand their income sources. It really hits the smaller and middle clubs the most. Thus its effect is that the big ones remains big and the smaller ones must have continued success both on the field and in economics to to make a huge stp upwards. The fair play rules majkes the steps steeper and higher for small clubs to climb.
Look at this journalist body language it's so plain to see the bitterness
Nope, there was no bitterness there. Just reporting.
Meanwhile in Spain Barca is busy buying refs. LoL Our fore Fathers who brought us this beautiful game are grieving.😏😏😏
There’s no point of FFP if it only issues fines. Points deductions and being banned from Europe are the only punishments that will work
How about "If guilty". How can a team that is solvent be subject to these charges (under FFP) yet a team that has debts ( loans an unpaid transfer fees) of almost £1Billion be ok under FFP. The City of Liverpool is now to become the 51st state of the US with the take over of Everton. People go on about the UAE and Saudi and their connection to the PL yet after the Everton takeover, Liverpool, Everton, Manchester United and Liverpool all have US owners. It seems to me that the American owners are unhappy with the competition from non US owned teams and want to stop it. Also Aston Villa, Bournemouth, Burnley, Chelsea, Crystal Palace are under US control. Anyone see a pattern?
@@grimreaper-qh2znhow about, understand City have 115 charges? There’s no way not one of those charges aren’t real, cuz otherwise this headline of 115 charges would be ridiculous. City deserve punishment, and they need one of the worst punishments, or even multiple.
@@yobask8855 You should check the points. Most are just repeats of the same charge, year after year after year. There are basically 4 charges and anyone of these being dismissed gets rid of about 30 or so of the other charges.
@@yobask8855the 115 charges sensationalist headline you keep hearing is actually comprised of a much smaller amount of actual charges broken into much smaller sections. If you read through the charges it's actually like 4 big charges and they will all be dismissed immanently because there is no evidence to support any of the charges. Saying that they must be true because of their quantity is a complete fallacy, and the headline is obviously ridiculous because that is what sells the papers and increases viewership of the news.
@@all-caps3927 They aren’t just headlines. The reason nothing is happening is because the the Premier League don’t want to punish man city because of the total views they would lose if they were to punish them severely, which is why there is no evidence, they just want to stall it out as much as possible. And saying that at least some are true, isn’t complete fallacy, because how random would it be to bring up 115 charges? The media praise man city so much that they wouldn’t just do them randomly like that. And even if a lot of the charges could be small, if u add them up, it’s massive so that makes ur point invalid. Just please stop talking
Good God 🤦🏻♂️That was 5 years ago !
Any chance of having some more up to date information about the current situation and the past 5 years finances ?
This video is sponsored by Liverpool F.C. 😂
And this is why a transfer market budget cap should be implemented
No mid-season transfers allowed or change of manager > benefits the wealthy only ! Squad for the season !
Short answer, yes
Yes.
It's self-evident Manchester City have breached most of those 115 allegations which they are charged.
And of course City's sanction must be related to the punishments of Everton and Nottingham Forest. So there is no other way than to expell City from the Premier League, not only to the Championship, but either to League 1 or League 2.
Only the bbc would post this after they have won the league
As they should. Why should cheaters have uninterupted glory?
When were they supposed to run it?
@@dlaldlaldlanutsntnstn1418 who cheated man united?
Arabic Culture - depends on cash inducements - this is how business works - maybe World-wide. Follow the Money !
This more or less will taint City's legacy if it keeps coming...
City has no legacy. It died when the dictatorship took over. Nobody respects that entity now.
but it won't keep coming because there is no constructive evidence to prove that we're cheating
Not will. Has
It was a third title win in a row for Man City, this year.
I am an Aberdeen, Inverness CT and Ross County fan.
How can you support all 3 from hibs fan 💚
@@adidasaddict2023 Hey at least he's not a Hearts fan😂
So what?
Teams should be fan owned
They’ve bought the title, over and over again. They have unlimited funds, their pick of top players, a huge squad so injuries really don’t matter. This all mounts to clubs like Man City having a huge, unfair advantage. This has to stop or it’s going to damage the sport irreparably.
Like Blackburn did.
Like Man Utd did.
Like Chelsea did.
It's always gone on in the Premier League. Too much at stake to not do so...
Damage the sport irreparably? That horse bolted with the creation of the Premier League in 1992!
It is what every other winning club has done.
@Paul Leach When did Manchester United buy a title 🤔. It was our youth setup that helped us win the league
@@lsd358 Cole, Yorke, sheringham, keane we’re all part of your youth players 😂
the timing of this piece is incredible - honestly what has the BBC become?
Perfect timing indeed. Go Inter!
What do you mean the timing is incredible... (BTW, Arsenal fan). Of course their gonna post it when its most relevant you cretin 😭. Its the whole point of news. It's like covering a natural disaster AT THE TIME OF A NATURAL DISASTER
journalism was always about timing, are you are a 15 year old m*ron
@@Joey-ct8bm Inter... wow, have you seen how many FFP violations they have... would seem your support of Inter is actually nothing to do with financial fair play!
West ham fan here called jealousy simple as that. If it was manure or Liverpool nothing would be mentioned. City have best coach in the world and team too now get over it you manure dumb arses
The PL should come out and present their evidence against City.
lol don't hold your breath
Add a draft like the NBA
😅They did that in almost 20 years, then finally on the BBC "news". If the team could change their squad just like playing FIFA video game, that must be something wrong.
The problem is that Manchester United and Arsenal have spent even much money than City, and yet no one talks about them. I am not siding City, but we have to mention other teams as well.
Because they have spent within their means of what they have earned. Too difficult for some fans to understand it seems.
@@Crovon1 Actually, I know that, but if you think that Manchester United and Arsenal have earned more than City in these years and that is why they have spent much money. You are literally making mistake. Not only City, but also all big six clubs in the premier league are doing the same thing.
@@mw1076 I don't think you realise how big Arsenal and Man Utd are compared to City. Just because City are dominant in recent years, they don't have the history or fanbase. Both Utd and Arsenal have global fanbases.
@@Crovon1 yeah , I agree with that, but city is also a big franchise nowadays. We are talking about a team who wins 3 premier league titles in a row, not a ordinary team in the second or third championship of English football. The whole world now watch their matches because of their players and their quality of playing.
@@mw1076nah city are small mate compared to other top teams with history. I don’t see many folk wearing city shirts outside Manchester
Makes Leiscters championship run even better.
Why are you only reporting this now? Typical BBC
I made a formal complaint to the BBC but of course it was brushed off.
Then the European Super league would be a great idea to avoid this new British vandetta of malicing PL foreign owned teams
Agreed they don't want a team as good as city beating them perhaps super league do
Be careful what you wish for because where city lead most teams follow
People are just jealous. No wonder their rivals are leading the witch hunt against them
Man City on FIFA 23. Cheat mode activated. 🤣😂🤣
first chelsea charge against roman involving with putin now against city damn the hyprocrisy and jealousy is too much
Exactly
I use to think Nigeria is Corrupt but never knew i was joking until i was hearing strange things from UK and Europe 😮
Subtitulado en español ya por favor
Man city engañado. No es necesario más palabras.
The Premier League charges are simply a reiteration of the matters between 2013 and 2018 on which City were exonerated by CAS and on which, between the inception of FFP and 2014 they were fined by UEFA. Many of the charges are small beer in terms of overspending such as overpaying Mancini and Toure, both of these having denied that this had happened. I am not impressed at all with the so-called academic expert, whose views may have been truncated. The legal loopholes were not evident in CAS exoneration of City on those charges which were in time and not time barred.
Not exonerated > money talks > unproven or out of time was the appeal verdict
A pattern emerges, true or not...should non-western investors stay away from owning a PL team???
Not true. In fact, it's a rather stupid thing to imply. FFP applies to all teams, no matter who owns them.
@@MaterLacrymarum lol
sorry but if they just get a points deduction dont even bother doing it
It’s easy to say the club with the most money will win the most domestic trophies so I.ll say it, the club with the most money will win the most domestic trophies.
Man city are that greedy they belive they earn more profit then Real madrid who are owned by the spanish goverment blaten cheats
But it's okay to be From Trafford and have a £500,000,000 debt? WTAFF is that about?
The debt is the owners that bought out shares with debt
City has been cooking the books there's a difference
Also united fans protest their owners literally every year, I haven't seen city do the same once
We have never spent more than we earn. PSG are the ones who spent more and more every year. We on the other hand signed Haaland for 56 million.
LOL....... 🤣
I don’t think so, but a club like Bayern Münich actually earn money to finance the club.
City is a mediocre club globally. Who knows city apart of the owners country and UK fans? U can’t say what you just said. They spend way more than what they make. They buy their way through year in year out. Money stops nonsense!!
Because cfg owns alot of clubs which generate revenue
You're a clown. The earnings are literally what is disputed here. Sponsorship revenue. If you think city can generate more sponsorship revenue than Real Madrid, then you should check yourself into a mental hospital
In other sports, if you cheat you're disqualified. Should they have fined Ben Johnson in '88 and let him keep his gold medal? No. Kick the cheats out. Ban divers for 6 matches each. Give us our game back. City are buying up all the trophies which means there's none left for other clubs to win. We are becoming like Ligue 1. Managers get sacked for not winning trophies when there's none left to win. It's a joke. Remember when Wigan, Portsmouth, Oxford, Southampton, Sunderland, QPR, Swindon could win an FA Cup or League Cup? That's REAL football.
Where is the proof?
Where have you been for the last 5 years? :D
@@97D3ADLIVERPOOLFANS The court has the evidence already. City have wrapped it up in legal mumbo-jumbo so we don't get to see it now. However, there was evidence they over-inflated shirt sales from right after they were taken over. It was common knowledge. I suppose you've only been following this story for five minutes, and armed with the results of whatever Google search you did, feel as though you're an expert. 😀
As for spending - it's irrelevant in context of this argument. Spending above the allowed ratio is the issue.
@@MaterLacrymarum There is no proof
@@yikeslikes4457the der spiegal emails are the proof
Rumours are, the chargers have been dropped.
Wow, speaking of being sore lossers 😂😂😂
They would finally be caught, no matter how long it takes
Loss of all honors won during period of rule braking, relegation, owners forced to sell up.
Pay to Win...
In football
In relationships
In computer games
Bakhmut BBC???
Bakhmut BBC???
Artymovsk BBC???
Artymovsk BBC???
😂😂😂
Ever since this accusations: 14 straight wins. 1 PL. 0 UCL.
I think you should changed that '0 UCL' buddy
So why havent all of their financial documents been seized?
civil case not legal case
They won. They won. That’s that
Theyve bought everything
@ianodonnell5765 You would believe anything, huh? SMH
Pep caught cheating not once but twice
Barcelona & city
They kicking out of the Premier ship for 10 yrs
Please pray for Grand Theft Auto 6 out and for rain in Novocherkassk
Leave them alone
THEY NEED TO BE RELEGATED AND STRIPPED
English media is saddened by city dominance that they hoping they get stripped of titles bcz they are man Utd n Liverpool supporters
We'll said,bro
But they don't know city is pride of England
That’s quite the leap in assumption
The best league in the world where only Man City are allowed to win. How exciting
Go cry to ur mama
bigger money = bigger chance to win
British police shot down two dogs. By their desperate move BBC not uploaded a single news.
They’re cheats
What a clown
No trophies for London, again!😂😂😂
The money City has brought in for the premiere league is unbelievable... instead of a thank you letter ,these fools charge them with ridiculous things.
Supposedly bigger revenue than Real Madrid is ridiculous.
EPL already had massive income before city became rich, and we’re already miles ahead of other leagues, so I think you’re overstating it. It’s the EPL itself and it’s reputation that being in the money.
What are they thanking them for!? Thanks for making a mockery of the league. Thanks for making it pointless. Money laundering so that they can buy all the best players is not a good thing
the premier league was doing just fine. what are you talking about?
If Copium was a drug, no amounts can be enough for city rivals
Whether Man City breaks the rules or not, she will not be expulsed because it will be a huge loss to EPL and they can't afford that. So in the end, it will be just a fine, reinstalled and case closed unlike Everton, Forest, Leicester. 😂😂😂
For goodness sake, everyone knows they cheated so can we get over the first hurdle and leave out the question mark and just state 'they've broke the rules, but, will anyone will do anything about it?'. That's the real question.
No, they really don't... but feel free to show your proof of cheating
You should provide the evidence then and the case would be closed.
@@dazblue5515 been drinking to much of that sportwashing propaganda juice you lad.
Why don't you tell everyone how a club known more for Oasis concerts than football only 15 years ago, goes on to have the highest revenues in world football without over inflating there sponsorships with companies that don't exist like 8xbet or that crypto one that turned out to be a postbox?
Let's not forget the offshore bank account setup to pay staff so the money doesn't come up on city's financial records.
Fast facts city's owners cheated, in no way shape or form do they earn more than real madrid legally!
@@juliusoba6488 it isn't a lack of evidence that is dragging this case out, it's them sportwashing propaganda merchants at city that are dragging it out because they know they've cheated!
bro, no concrete evidence has been brought forward.
Basically Man city football club is run by Arabs, that had a lot of money.
Since the new ownership, Manchester City has become Juventus of the Premier League.
Well nope... City are being accused of spending money - Juventus have been found guilty of fixing matches (something Liverpool and Man Utd have been found guilty of two in the past)... absolutely zero correlation
@@dazblue5515 - "City are being accused of spending money "...... Yeh; about that............ No.
Do you say city fixing day matches like juventus did?
@@rajendranramalingam2448 No, City HAVE NOT fixed matches and i'd be careful as to say they have is libelous.
Manchester United and Liverpool HAVE been found guilty of match fixing in the past though!
They can't even fill the stadium 😅 BS
Of course they did!
financial fair play rule is questionable and makes no sense it designed against clubs like mcity spending in football is inevitable competition too .fifa is a greedy company that need to be checked first .
Well done to the bbc for this coverage, more needs to be said.
But in a unbiased way
Non cooperating ManCheaty 115+ should be renamed ManSHIFTY 115+
Rubbish, this probably an Arsenal fan coming out with this audacious theory
Imagine if they are proven guilty and got their point deducted. It will be a glorius day in England when every Legends (players and coaches) back to their own club to a trophy parade in the same day in every club/city
Financial fair play is a fraud 😂😂The should go up to 1992
Correct, and it's been bastardised to suite, it's not what was originally planned for it.
I’d argue for the end of the prem.
You know when it will end, when they drop to league two, pay 300 million fine, and the UAE filth will be banned from football.
its impossible to never sell players but keep buying world class players legally. where is the money coming from? their giant stadium? city is an insult. should be banned for years
Stop bringing this topic up...if FA will do nothing.....
Abu Dhabi will bribe and corrupt the independent commission in the uk like they did with uefa 😂
Jealousy
How does the charges have anything to do with winning?
UEFA accused City of cheating. But when asked to provide evidence, they had nothing. CAS dismissed the charges.
Today, the PL took four years to accuse City of cheating. Will be interesting to see how they come up with the evidence. Also, why didn’t they provide the evidence to UEFA so that City could be punished?
Saying City is cheating and proving it are completely different.
With UEFA there was a time limit
There’s no time limit this time and that’s where the premier league and FA has them by the balls they can’t argue that like they did with UEFA at CAS
@@SD_BRFC1997 time limits applied to some items. The ones that were reviewed, uefa had no evidence except the leaked emails from Der Spiegel.
F@juliusoba6488 Firstly, City got to pick 2 out of the 3 CAS panel members, which alone is laughable. Secondly, in terms of evidence, UEFA didn't 'have nothing'. CAS were well aware of City's cheating through fake sponsorship, as outlined in the judgment: “The management of [MCFC] was well aware that the payments … made by [a third party on behalf of ADUG] were made as equity funding, not as payments for the sponsor on account of genuine sponsorship liabilities.”
Basically City got away with it because a lot of crucial evidence was time-barred. Finally, the Premier League and UEFA are separate organisations with different rules and standards of evidence.
@@SD_BRFC1997 who's to say they wouldn't have defended themselves or prove evidence
@@tinsaederesse9173 city are guilty until proven innocent in most peoples eyes.
Did BBC break the rules of transparency and journalism with Lineker’s issue?
there for they should stop reporting on other issues?
@@Bubajumba they should just lead by example. Otherwise, they are loosing their credibility
@@renato42k They suspended him for not doing his job or following the guidelines. Isn't that exactly what you want to happen to city?
@@Bubajumba Not exactly. Lineker was suspended because he freely expressed his views that it turned out it was not aligned with the uk gov. What Bbc did was go against freedom of speech which is above any guidelines or rules.
@@renato42k Freedom of speech? this a public platform? nobody hired him to express his personal opinion. Obviously I think this got overblown but personally I see no problem. Its their platform, not linker's
Actual race is for number 2
Will move to 3, 4 as more unregulated money comes in.
in my country.... some team in leage can buy any player and any price.....what shame for my country leag...JDT team
Here after feeling about everton
Saracens got relegated for breaching finacial rules in Rugby. Same needs to be done with City
If the charges are true, it means that Deloittes (City's accountants) and the UK Governments HRMC (the tax authority) have been totally incompetent or complicit. The press seem as usual to prefer Guilty till proven innocent rather than the rule of law. How can a team that owes nearly £1Billion in loans and outstanding transfer fees be ok under PL Rules. A team whose sponsorship deal with Chrysler was shown to be over inflated so much that the Chrysler marketing Director was sacked. Yet no action. Could it be because they are part of the Red Cartel?
The question is, is Man City corrupting Premier League Refs to look the other way when Man City players keep committing fouls inside the 18-Yard Box time after time and get away with it, and in the end Man City would League by one point over Liverpool?
Man City is Guilty!
Still can't get my head around how using illegally obtained documents was allowed to kick any of this off, and it wasn't just City that these thieves targeted.
So mtrhat makes it ok in your mind _ break the rules but if we are found out claim then how they found out wss the problem > Madness > Bit like our Julian ! Hardly state sec rets on an alleged corrupt footy club !
They should never have been allowed into evidence at CAS. No law court would allow them in.
You don’t get called out for breaking the rules 3 times
if you’re innocent. No matter how many trophies City win, they will always have an asterisk* near them, as everyone knows they cheated to win them.
Everyone knows it, except their hordes of bandwagoner fans.
@@alanduncan1980 that's what happens when you've been drinking the state funded propaganda juice for that long.
@@alanduncan1980 .......who are mainly glory hunting 12 year olds who couldn't find Manchester on a map. It's incredible isn't it, that the club with supposedly the highest revenue in world football can't even fill their stadium most weeks.
100% Correct and right, every one knows that City have cheated, City fans know it too. Being a City fan you only care about success, trophies and winning. Italian clubs and Real Madrid have been buying the Champions League trophy for decades, all have been found guilty of graft and corruption, City are the latest example of buying prestige and buying trophies. Sad but true.
@@thanekrios3211 fun fact spurs has a substantially bigger uk fanbase than City will ever have! Also spurs matchday revenue is substantially higher then city make😂
WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND what is fair today in sports when a man says he is a she and competes
What a load of old crap........
Arsenal fans coping.
So much talk no action…
Above market value haha! Who is to say what the market value is when the value of anything is determined, by definition, by how much someone is willing to pay for that product and service. If the investor believes they received a good deal or believes the investment was worth the amount of they paid, how can you prove that they over-paid!? That is absolutely nonsense.
Yes, Cas said that the sponsorships were not proved to have been above market value.
Surely if guilty they have to be stripped of title????
Ffs gonna give Arsenal fans the idea they won the league now 😂
Complaining about financial advantage sounds like communism. What's wrong with clubs having money?
Why you bring this issue at this critical time of season or you have agenda. Nothing will stop us from achieving the historic treble
You haven't won it yet enjoy cooking more books
"Us" - LOL 🤣