Why Man City’s financial charges could be WORSE than Everton’s | ESPN FC
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- ESPN FC’s Gab Marcotti and Julien Laurens discuss the 115 separate charges facing Manchester City for allegedly breaching FFP rules.
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When I heard that Man City was involved in any kind of financial wrongdoing I just couldn't believe it! I mean who would've thought?!
@@XXBlueThanosXXlol the club that hacked another club committing and actual crime is the legal one? Lol
@@XXBlueThanosXXThe club with the world record for murdering other fans?
@@XXBlueThanosXX I'm almost certain that Brentford, spurs, and Bournemouth, and Luton breaking some financial rules 😂
@@russellward4624Petty, very Petty. Only girls deflect when it’s time to deal with accountability. What Liverpool have done is related to what City is doing ? Liverpool did. what they did and City is doing their thing. City is F. All these achievements on malpractices. Klopp and Liverpool achieved with minor spending. City is a cheating machine, not a club
not proven guilty so XDD but luton > city
@@hyperrat12
As an Everton fan I am furious not only because of the draconian points deduction but also everyone knows the likes of City and Chelsea will get away with all their false accounting over the years
As an Arsenal fan I feel for you
Any evidence?
@@robertmclellan3658 give it time there’s 115 of them to sift threw
@@Patrickmorris80 Sift threw? perhaps you mean through but can't spell simple words? And there are only 6or 7 allegations times a number of years which the hapless Premier has decided to do as it thinks this scatter gun approach is its best bet in the absence of any credible evidence.
I feel for your club...maybe its me being optimistic but I don't think they will this time, I think City will get done badly 🤞🤞
We all know that nothing will happen to Mansour City. They are above the law.
You mean innocent.
@@robertmclellan3658 I mean untouchable
They already have the PGMOL in their pocket and no one except football fans cares. Why isn't Gabby talking about Michael Oliver and co openly taking cash from Mansour?
@@TWW-zk9gw Stop being ignorant, if you are referring to the owner of the worlds best club it’s His Highness Sheikh Mansour ( Your Highness Manchester and football salutes you ) Don’t be so disrespectful.
@@robertmclellan3658 spoken like a true blue
Cheating is cheating! Treat them accordingly. If proven, strip all trophies, relegate to lowest level, and fine them enough to reimburse for all the earnings as well.
They can't lose their trophies , it's too much of a mine field , like the Everton points deductions bearing on various relegations of teams. But I can guarantee that Man City will probably get put to League 2 ( old div 4 ) Like Rangers did a few years back. My guess on Chelsea is not so clear , but I expect championship relegation.
What City allegedly did is called Fraud and is a crime. Everton didn't commit a crime. Whole different kettle of fish.
But Everton failed ffp thats a fact. City are accused of things that haven't been proven and the "evidence" can't prove it.
keep defending
Wrong. Consult a lawyer for what is needed to prove fraud beyond reasonable doubt.
So where's the evidence that they did anything that you and FA accusing them of ??
I bet if that was City you would say is not a crime...You are taking out of your backside... Everton Cheated those clubs that got relegated by spending those money
If one charge took 8 months to resolve, 115 charges should take 77 years
ManCheaty 115+ corruption they are being obstructive and not cooperating
Been going on since last year.
Lots of charges to investigate.
Gab and Jules lol,its like listening to the chuckle brothers talking about nuclear fusion.
Not a chance that City will get a points deduction. They may get a fine. Mansour has more money than the PL and they will throw as much money and influence at these charges and string it out for years. Having City as cheats as the champions is a cancer on football.
PL will do worse to man city because they don’t want an independent investigator, they don’t want the government involved in this which was looming fors the past years. People think that this case is as simple as they think, if it was only the PL nothing would have happened but it’s more than than and the PL does not want an independent investigator involved in their affairs, too much corruption, this is damage control and all the city money will not help, matter of fact people will take the money but at the end the punishment will remain.
The day they had their two-year ban lifted by the CAS was the day that finished me with football.
a fine !!! LOL thats their greatest dream. They committed fraud to get the best team. No one on that pitch deserves this BUT their owners are a money rich Arab state that doesn't care about rules and has had cart blanche to do what ever they like. Football needs cleaning up and its about time the big names take a hit. They will bounce back . Don't you remember when RANGERS were relegated to the 3rd tier of Scottish football for not paying taxes and wages???? This is much worse. Falsifying accounts , using dodgy "family money" to sponsor the stadium. They've had penalties in the past and still keep fucking everyone over
@@joekavanagh7171cry 😂😂
But City AREN'T cheats until it's proven otherwise ....
Moneys talks...they will go away with it as usual
If found guilty, City could be sued into obilivion. Like Everton facing lawsuits against clubs who may not have been relegated, Liverpool / Arsenal / United / Spurs could have had A LOT more prize money if they weren't cheating. Winning leagues, finishing 2nd instead of 3/4/5. league cups. Etc...
Not this time ! SERIE A had a massive issue and they dealt with it. Now it's the Prem time to get accounted. It can't go on. Someone has to get a grip of corruption before it becomes a free for all. Newcastle will be watching this VERY closely. This is the idea. The Big team will fall and god forbid any of you lesser teams try the same dirty tricks
Money talks and it’ll just go away! Hopefully not but that’s how I feel
Hopefully do go away *
Brown envelopes only way.
If ManCheaty 115+ are being obstructive and not cooperating as has been reported then the charges should stand as guilty as charged and they be punished accordingly.
They shouldn't co-operate. It's up to the accuses to prove any allegations and then City to defend them. We saw what happened with the EUFA investigation and their leaks to the media...City were proven right not to co-operate.
If they have nothing to hide they should Cooperate. There’s no doubt they are guilty and noncooperation should stand as guilty as charged and appropriate actions taken without further delay.
@@PedroPorridge They were fined for not co-operating with the UEFA investigation and they were proven right not to. UEFA had leaked sensitive information to the media. We'll take another fine for not.
@@mana3735 115+ cheating charges ? Not 1 or 2 or even 3 but 115+ for the 2nd time round as you say (you can continue to live in dream world if you wish)
Luton town was deducted 30 pts for going into administration. This is not unprecedented in English football!
Everton didn't cook the books, city is alleged to have cooked the books. If found guilty, relegation is to be expected. A monetary fine will not be enough.
I agree that if convicted, City would face a substantial punishment. However, Gab bandies about allegations of fraud without knowing the intricacies. Fraud requires proof of dishonesty. This would not normally include what is called creative accounting. It also involves proof of intention to defraud. So the premier league would need to prove both dishonesty and intention. That is a heavy burden in contrast to the simple non compliance with the PL Rules.
Knowing gain a advantage over a competitor, by breaking the rules, resulting in increased financial gain IS THE DEFINITION OF FRAUD.
Well, I would call using a company as a front who have never recorded a profit EVER to funnel 30m pounds a year to a club to circumvent FFP is pretty fraudulent!!!
@@madebymonkeys5641I've seen guilty people walk free because of weak arguments such as these. Law is like Mathematics, proof must be rigorous or nothing. I mean how many times have you heard somebody solved a certain problem only to be dismissed. Without proper defense of one's view, the adjudication will be cruel.
That’s not what gab sad. Gab first of all Acknowledged the seriousness of the offense and he said Everton’s case cannot be used as reference as city’s case is a lot more complex. He said the premier league will need to factor other considerations totally different from Everton’s case. Things like will it be good for the league to have city relegated or a fine of 1b pounds that could be distributed to other clubs in the league.
Proving fraud is nowhere near as complicated as you are trying to imply. City cant legitimately explain the sudden upturn in profits...if they could theyd cooperate.
This is all a matter of when not if. The inevitable is they will get purnished, the question is what exactly will be the purnishment
It could be worse or it could be better. One thing is for certain the independent panel will fine Man City for the 30 breaches for not cooperating with the FA. CAS only found man City guilty of not cooperating, Man City were then fined. Man City have been told by their lawyers not to cooperate with either UEFA or the FA. This then leaves the sponsorship of the stadium, which is looking a bargain after every year now, the players image rights (which UEFA dealt with back in 2014 when they capped salarys and the transfer budget of man City) and then Mancini's contract with an Abu Dhabi club of about £1.7 million a year which does date back to 2009 which is before any FFP rules were brought in. Company House has all the details around the 3rd party accounts and I also believe the accounts of the Abu Dhabi club are also available. Based on all of the above I think the best way to do City is to go down the route that UEFA went down back in 2014 with the image rights. I do not know if legally City can be done a 2nd time especially as it was common knowledge at the time and all over the papers and Negredo had to be loaned out to level the books. If they can then this is the best route as the FA can state that an additional £25 million needed to be added to the accounts for the 2011/2012 season and potentially the next 3-4 seasons. If this comes to a shortfall of say £40 million then based on what has happened to Everton they could be hit with a 20 point deduction, if a £80 million shortfall a 40 point deduction. A lot of ifs and buts and also a lot of breach's based on 3-4 things that are going to be looked at. I do believe that if Everton appeal and the points are reduced then Man City and Chelsea will be better off. Chelsea is interesting in they they admit to fraud and allegedly kept back £100 million knowing they were going to be found guilty. The precedent with Everton could mean they keep the £100 Million but face 50 point deduction. The FA wont care about apples and oranges and just use Everton as a bench mark.
no cooperating? says the premier league, its all here say.
There's just one thing.....its not the FA 😂 YCNMIU!
So why are they not being impromptu about the charges????
Even if they get a 50 point deduction it won’t be enough. They could still stay up. If Everton get 10 points for 1 FFP violation that they self reported, then City must be relegated to League 1.
"Premier League's Selective Morality: A Closer Look at the Roots of Inequality"
In the ever-evolving landscape of football, accusations of corruption and unfair practices have recently taken center stage, with the focus squarely on the financial dealings of clubs like Manchester City. However, before we hastily pass judgment on the so-called 'culprits,' let's rewind to the inception of the Premier League and examine its foundations.
The Premier League, the pinnacle of English football, was crafted by a coalition of five clubs, none of which have ever tasted relegation. Coincidence? Perhaps, but it becomes increasingly suspicious when we delve into the windfall these clubs enjoyed through the lucrative broadcasting deals of the 90s. Sky Sports, a major sponsor of the league, even attempted to acquire Manchester United in 1999, only to be thwarted by government intervention. A move that raises eyebrows and invites scrutiny into the league's integrity.
It's intriguing that Financial Fair Play (FFP) was nowhere to be seen during that era. Were these founding clubs subject to the same financial scrutiny that newer entrants like Chelsea and Manchester City face today? The conspicuous absence of FFP at that time leads one to ponder the motivations behind its sudden introduction.
The narrative takes an interesting turn when we reflect on the dominance of the 'big five' clubs in both domestic cups and Premier League victories during the league's infancy. Was it sheer footballing prowess, or did the architects of the Premier League design a system that inherently favored their sustained success? The latter seems more plausible when considering the league's current attempts to penalize those who challenge their established order.
Fast forward to the present, where Chelsea and Manchester City have disrupted the traditional hierarchy. Suddenly, accusations of corruption and financial wrongdoing are hurled at these nouveau riche clubs. Is it a genuine concern for the integrity of the game, or is it an attempt to preserve the old guard's grip on power?
Charging these clubs for financial irregularities, which were seemingly permissible in the league's early years, raises questions about the Premier League's consistency and fairness. Are they truly the paragons of virtue they claim to be, or is this a desperate attempt to maintain control and curb the rise of new footballing powerhouses?
In conclusion, before labeling clubs as villains, it's imperative to scrutinize the very foundations of the Premier League. The selective application of rules, the lack of financial oversight in the past, and the sudden moral high ground adopted by the league's architects cast a shadow over the notion of fairness. Perhaps, the Premier League needs to engage in some soul-searching before pointing fingers at those who have exposed the flaws in their model.
Relegation if all 115 charges are correct.
There’s no way Man City will get penalised! They can buy their way out of everything
Not anymore. The FA/Prem will be torn apart ,if they don't get a grasp on corruption. A lot of this stuff is actually illegal , The Police might even get involved. I will bet anyone that Man City will be in League 2 next season
It’s called corruption
Agree money talks.
I honestly think it would be good for the premier League to relegateman city and show that you actually have to run your clips substantially, because in my opinion with what they are doing it's making the windows of profits too big for the premier League sides in the championship sides coming up to compete, especially if the mid-table sides in the premier League are going to get docked immediately the first time they ever do anything wrong.
Actually, Judge Judy, the chance of relegation, 30+ point deductions and a sizeable fine of > 150 million but the Shak will not pay a penny, I would hope, not a penny goes to the top six. Everton's fine relates to the length of the investigation of 3 points per year. An accounting misstep takes less than 3 years, think again, Momma Mia! Yesterday's pizza and pasta.
Have they proved?
"Premier League's Selective Morality: A Closer Look at the Roots of Inequality"
In the ever-evolving landscape of football, accusations of corruption and unfair practices have recently taken center stage, with the focus squarely on the financial dealings of clubs like Manchester City. However, before we hastily pass judgment on the so-called 'culprits,' let's rewind to the inception of the Premier League and examine its foundations.
The Premier League, the pinnacle of English football, was crafted by a coalition of five clubs, none of which have ever tasted relegation. Coincidence? Perhaps, but it becomes increasingly suspicious when we delve into the windfall these clubs enjoyed through the lucrative broadcasting deals of the 90s. Sky Sports, a major sponsor of the league, even attempted to acquire Manchester United in 1999, only to be thwarted by government intervention. A move that raises eyebrows and invites scrutiny into the league's integrity.
It's intriguing that Financial Fair Play (FFP) was nowhere to be seen during that era. Were these founding clubs subject to the same financial scrutiny that newer entrants like Chelsea and Manchester City face today? The conspicuous absence of FFP at that time leads one to ponder the motivations behind its sudden introduction.
The narrative takes an interesting turn when we reflect on the dominance of the 'big five' clubs in both domestic cups and Premier League victories during the league's infancy. Was it sheer footballing prowess, or did the architects of the Premier League design a system that inherently favored their sustained success? The latter seems more plausible when considering the league's current attempts to penalize those who challenge their established order.
Fast forward to the present, where Chelsea and Manchester City have disrupted the traditional hierarchy. Suddenly, accusations of corruption and financial wrongdoing are hurled at these nouveau riche clubs. Is it a genuine concern for the integrity of the game, or is it an attempt to preserve the old guard's grip on power?
Charging these clubs for financial irregularities, which were seemingly permissible in the league's early years, raises questions about the Premier League's consistency and fairness. Are they truly the paragons of virtue they claim to be, or is this a desperate attempt to maintain control and curb the rise of new footballing powerhouses?
In conclusion, before labeling clubs as villains, it's imperative to scrutinize the very foundations of the Premier League. The selective application of rules, the lack of financial oversight in the past, and the sudden moral high ground adopted by the league's architects cast a shadow over the notion of fairness. Perhaps, the Premier League needs to engage in some soul-searching before pointing fingers at those who have exposed the flaws in their model.
Taking away titles is the only effective punishment, ask Lance Armstrong.
Perhaps a closer comparison with City is what was done by Glasgow Rangers, and maybe the punishment needs to be similar. I won´t hold my breath.
If City's charges are proven, and they enabled City to have an unfair advantage over its' rivals,then no amount of fine is sufficient. Huge points deduction and /or demotion would be fairer punishment. Of course, FA and EURO will want their pound of flesh with huge fines.
Hope so
Everton got off with 'just' a 10 point deduction because they co-operated. Could have been far worse and City and Chelsea have done everything to hide their wrong doing. Therefore the punishment will be far greater
Actually Chelsea self reported after new owners found irregularities in previous financial stuff so nope just man city
Lol Evertons sentence is 10 points because they weren't forthcoming, have you actually read the report?
Chelsea reported themselves, the new owners had already flagged that they hadn't received all the financial info before acquiring the team...
@@mosespelican3507 -10 points is still a soft punishment. Very soft
@multipl3 in comparison to what? that's the record point deduction in the EPL... Portsmouth ran the club down and went into financial rescue, they got away without settling all their debts.. they got a 9 point penalty... where's the idea that 10 points is a small penalty coming from?
@@multipl3 explain your reason please
Can not wait for Noal Gallagher to be traveling to watch Preston North End away
Not long ago, he was. City used to be a lower league team. Noal knows all about that already.
Hahaha nice one
Aldershot
But they will still have huge support. 40000 home gates .
Good luck to PL to proving that 😂
leaked emails from rui pinto the hacker who exposed all this say otherwise about man city and ADUG
If City and Chelsea get relegated, I can see the Super League coming back in a big way, especially with the dynamic of the Saudi clubs now drawing big players in the transfer market. The EPL must tread lightly here. A fine & transfer ban appears to be the most suitable option.
Someone with brains 🧠 how I appreciate your thinking sir dummy s reacting with hate not understanding that man city and Chelsea real Madrid and barca league and Saudi teams it will be watched by many
It is in the interest of Liverpool, United & Arsenal to therefore NOT follow them. They cheated, they get purnished, if relegated there is no reason for their direct rivals to help them save face.
Let them leave then. They’re Cancer on the game.
@@emekamonyei2158 be realistic who will people want to watch madrid barca juve man city chelsea psg Newcastle or asernal Liverpool man united spurs just answer
@@danhouw7972 one man's trash is other man's treasure real and barca the leaders of super league will love this move psg juve already have a like so its in epl best interest to preserve the best league status
What Gab said about the time barring is false. The case, being a UK court case, is still affected under the Limitation Act of 1980. Meaning there is a statue of limitation to the evidence
Stop trying to compare.
This should be the leading story in most of these channels.. and Pep needs to be questioned about this in every interview going forward
Everton were very harshly treated. They did wrong but 10 points is far too excessive in my opinion. I’m a Liverpool fan, a scouser born and bread and I don’t want them to go down because they are scouse and it’s Merseyside before anyone else in my mind. But if they were deducted 10 points then there is really only one punishment for city.. which is relegation. If not, and they are deducted points then it has to be an amount which puts them out of any title races, makes it difficult to get into Europe the following year, and makes them have to perform brilliantly well to avoid relegation. I.e. a figure that puts them a good way off the bottom teams so they have to make up a large deficit to get out of the relegation battle. If they are only deducted a similar number of points to Everton then it’s an absolute disgrace and it’ll go to prove that money talks and the fa or whoever it is, are as corrupt as they always have been
Is that a long sleeve Boca Juniors shirt?
Gab wearing a sea shepherd hoodie 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
At the moment Pep and the team are already trembling.
Rumours going around some City players want to move.
115 charges would shake anybody.
strange how man utds various FFP breaches over last 4 years were just a fine from Uefa in july...........
Tell me more? I seem to remember they got fined for a very minor financial breach. But please tell…
@@daviddeepred8446 google it
They should have titles stripped off them and be relegated but I doubt anything will happen as it would be really damaging for the premier leagues brand if that were to happen.
Stripping titles is too difficult. Theres already legal action about relegation due to Evertons breaking of the rules for only 1 charge. These go back years and there's 115 charges. It will take to the end of the season no doubt. I expect that Man City will be in League 2 next season. No reason to think they wont bounce back but thats the minimum plus a huge fine in the hundreds of millions. Remember its run by a dodgy bunch of princes , brothers , cousins , uncles who all deny their relationships. Its a defacto state run club.
Corruption is more damaging
Is there a time scale to these allegations
Does it have to be proven within a certain date
In city and Chelsea's cases
Did you not watch the video, you want people watch it for you and explained it.
@@Atite_Lometen
can you explain it for me I am hard of hearing
Its easier for me to read it
Nothing will happens to them! Always the same.
Every season have some issue😂😂😂😂
Enough talking! They need to take actions and punish those cheaters now! 😑
😂😂😂😂😂 ESPN UK...COME ON YOU ARE NOT TRYING ENOUGH....
✉ +💰 = NOT GUILTY
Exactly ManCheaty 115+ = corruption
Unfortunately
Money talks
The rich clubs will continue to find ways to avoid punishment
Great lawyers
Prolonged case
What do you mean could be worse there is 115 of them 😂
Could be worse, more like I will bet my house they will be worse...
Gab is speaking like he has received some oil money in his account
Jules and Gab aren't lawyers and no one knows the details of this case except the parties involved.
Let the due process happen. Acting like they exactly know whats going on is embarrassing. Its all speculation . Let the independent panel and Lord Pannick do their jobs
This is potentially the biggest cheating scandal in sporting history so people can't discuss it 😂😂
@dakopper77 relegation is the minimum according to sports lawyers
@@Surveillance-YsDon’t be silly.
@@mymemories925Stupid boy
@@robertmclellan3658 city supporters right now, trying to act nonchalant 😂
If its proven City cheated systematically over several years, then all their domestic titles should be stripped and they should be relegated to League 2 for every year they cheated. A simple point deduction wont do if they cheated systematically and for years, thats not an accounting error like for Everton.
Will somebody tell these fools that they work in the media and as such should never mention city’s wrongdoing.
If true… Ban the owners from owning clubs in the league… no other penalty is sufficient
Just take their trophies won during those years. Don't award them to any club, leaving the space blank in the record books for future generation to ask "why" and so not forgetting the lessons for what happens to cheats. Got this suggestion from Sean (SpursTalkShow) and I think it's a good idea.
I'm afraid that can't work , its a literal minefield. Remember the drug cheats of East Germany?? their records stand. Only proven cheats like Ben Johnson got their records erased. thats because it was caught quick. Man City will definently get relegated ( league 2 is my Guess ) But I think the titles will remain , but with a stench of unfairness and controversy remembered by all
It’s a good idea otherwise just give them to the club across the road
I think Everton's charges were way too straightforward to be proven right or wrong. For City it might be a different story.
How different?? CHEAT is owned by a state, so its different?
Only way City will be safe are brow envelopes.
The horror of an owner investing more into a club. Fraud is about overinflating revenue or understating costs to appear more profitable. This is the opposite.
They over inflated sponsorship deals and hid payments to players and agents. Also refused to cooperate with the investigation.
@@steve-kl9iv That's not fraud. That's what you get when football people try to discuss legal matters
@@vaazig I didn't say it was fraud.
If you exagerate income and hide payments in order to be allowed to spend more money on your squad it is certainly a very serious matter. At the very least it is a deliberate attempt to get around FFP rules.
It's so obvious it's as if a schoolkid thought it up.
Sponsor yourselves, hide payments, over state attendances, buy your own tickets and merchandise......cheating
If the charges are proved then City deserves the harshest punishment. As Wenger said, sports are competed on the rules. If the rules are violated, it doesn't hold any significance.
But they are
I'm a Blue. So here's my take - You can't discuss/assume the level of punishment before any verdict has been made.
But let's say the panel find City guilty on 38 charges and let the remaining ones fizzle away. Even then the PL won't want a situation that allows City to go to appeal - because that will take another 12 months at least. You can't relegate a club before any appeal is complete - because if you do and then the appeal went City's way - that's a hefty legal bill that they can't afford to pay . So essentially they've one big headache, and one that they'll be in no rush to give themselves.
Of course they won't want to be seen to be backing down to City either - so it's probably in both parties' interests to negotiate a settlement. Would City agree to strongly worded letter, 30m fine and transfer embargo for 4 windows that began after any appeal? I doubt they'll want to nullify 2012's league win (or others) and I'd be shocked to see them relegate City because that sets a precedent that they might have to follow with others. LFC wouldn't be happy - but they rarely are.
Everton's big mistake was admitting they've done wrong... That made life real easy for the PL.
You are the problem with football these days
Act more like a lawyer trying to get off a criminal than a supporter
City are smart enough to keep dragging this on for long enough for a time bar to take place.
@@watermarginramsgate180 Not sure why you said I was trying to get off- if the Club are found guilty - then a relevant /proportionate punishment should be applied. Was just talking about what I expect will happen.
@@NickcavanaghIeGot it spot on..the scouser are raging mad at any mention of City
Jeez ??? I'm a Reading fan and despise the owner for getting us deducted points. There are many other clubs with Everton being the most famous atm in the news that are getting punished. But there's so many more. Rangers getting dropped to the 3rd Div in Scotland being in my recent memory!! Man City will be relagated 100% but probably next season. Chelsea probably 1 league and City 3 leagues. Otherwise you will get non stop corruption from clubs who think they can play the system
Relegate them just like Juve- from what I remember got relegated for breaches once. However, that's really a 1 year punishment only for such a rich club, they'd be back in top 4-5 of prem very next season. I guess 30 point deduction and a fine of 500 mil to be distributed to league 1, 2 and below clubs (evenly) might be better serving the sport.
If Rangers got demoted to the last rungs of Scottish Football. Why not City ?
gab is not a financial accountant, he's not equipped to chat this
Basically, City breached the rules to build a strong foundation for the club and the squad. They won titles and will go on to win more titles. Eventually, all they'll receive in a few years from now, after winning more titles and prize money, is a season or 2 of relegation 😂 they'll still go down in the history books as title winners...all you can say is, if you breach the rules then do it like City and go all in so even if you're guilty, you still reap the long-term benefits before and after investigations, possible punishment, etc.
If a shop owner puts money into his business but is then told he must only spend the money earned in the shop,and he then says he cant build his business if he doesnt put his own money in….and he cant compete with the people with bigger business, who have won all the prizes before,(who were given the spending opportunities , until they saw other peoples (clubs) money being introduced and so asked for laws to be implemented) to keep them from becoming the best business….does that make sense…….it was ok for these clubs,but now its not..even with their own money..they aren’t going into debt…. look how much man united spent,Liverpool,real Madrid,Barcelona ,Bayern Munich and see who instigated these financial changes,to protect their own interests..thats a fact!
Ur missing the point it's called financial fair play u can only spend a certain percentage of what u make its there to protect the club from administration and fair competition football not a business it's a sport that's why u have the rules
City can play Stockport away again. That's their level.
Everton only got a couple charges if anything man city should definitely be way more severe if Everton got that only on a couple of charges and Man City have over 115 charges and they get found to let's say the guilty of more than five they need a severe punishment. And then its ramifications of them stealing premier League titles and then having to pay back money for those titles and all the other teams that were affected by it.
1 charge ! But yes , 115 is a lot. it seems to me to be multiple infringements of the same rules. I can't imagine Man City getting less than a 2 league drop maybe 3.
ManCheaty 115+ are being obstructive and not cooperating
Of course it is worse there's 115 of them
Theres actually 5 differnt charges. The 115 is counting the same charge every month and every year like getting 20 tickets for speeding for 20 miles.
There are in reality 5 charges with all charges in each group in the same category.
@@russellward4624 No, that would be like getting a ticket for speeding once week, every week, for 20 weeks. Terrible analogy.
@@steveo4991 no because they don't sign a new contract every week do they?
@@russellward4624 That made no sense.
Possibly the least inciteful 4 minutes ever put up on TH-cam.
Pep already had a talk with City owners and was assured that things will get resolved. He said that in his press conference and that’s why he stayed and extended his contract. Few days later, the ban from UEFA was overturned. So we know City will fight this and get the best lawyers on the world. However, if found guilty then I fear for all the repercussions that come with that. It’s not just city, then they’ll be Chelsea and then everyone found guilty will want every other club to be investigated. United’s financial situation doesn’t look good and there could be something shady there. Then the question of relegation and stripping of titles come in. Then other clubs also want compensation like Leeds, Burnley and Leicester if we do apply retrospective punishment. There are no limits and there is no way the premier league are prepared for all of this!
You’re extremely naive if you believe City are innocent because Pep said in his press conference he spoke to the owners.
Bruh if everton got 10 points, city is getting done for fraud, sportswashing, inflated sponsorships, financial deception and more on.
@@kd5973 It's more about whether City have done anything different than all the other clubs and that there is proof without reasonable doubt. One thing is for sure if City and Chelsea get done their lawyers will go to town with the FA and ensure all the other Prem teams are investigated. To think anything different would be extremely naive.
@@neild3163mate I’m a city fan and you’re confused. This isn’t criminal proceedings. The premier league don’t need to prove it beyond all reasonable doubt. You’re confusing what’s happening with criminal law.
How dare you mention united along with known cheate are you mental or something. United earned everything and the league what it is
Man citys 20 point should cut
Every season for the last 10 years
Man City should be stripped of all trophies for the last 4 years and be relegated to bottom of championship.
imagine the whole PL teams suing man citi and chelsea for cheating
City have already brushed off UEFA and their pathetic accusations.
This is all irrelevant if City doesn’t get punished
@@MuhammadMalcom laughable, you really believe they’re innocent? That head of yours is so far up their a$$.
How is it you know what charges are, when noone else dose.
I forgot where but they released a list of the allegations that they were charged with. Seem some dumb stuff like something about the grass.
Becuz he's an Inter fan and still licking his wounds from the Champions league final 😂
@@eL--RaLno hes not. He's an AC Milan fan.
What is this headline? Loll
Dixie Dean scored 60 goals in a season. See Haaland getting 60 a game when he’s turning out on a Sunday morning next season
He'll be sold off cheap to Man U in a swap with Maguire 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
“Could be” 😂😂😂 they committed fraud! Hid it, then when confronted, denied it and refused to aid investigation - relegation at the LEAST! But likely worse
It will fine and a few points... move on yeah
Fines are nothing to man city. The damage is done theres no going back. The premier league need to make a stand
Let's cut the chase, when is mancity getting the points deduction,
Everton and Chelsk have both admitted wrongdoing - City haven’t and don’t agree to the interpretation . Do the FA have to prove everything that they are charging city with and can ciry appeal ? Sounds like five years of legal work to me . Got to factor in the European Super league and European clubs sueing city for loss of earnings - absolute car crash , did anybody at FA think this through ? Mansour has ploughed over a billion pounds into UK football - think that they have Girona top of La Liga …… hmmmm
The Max Verstappen of the Premier League
They laughed at me when I stopped supporting them in favour of Spurs. Well, who's laughing now😌
No one ever changes teams
@@paulw6183 maybe in eNGlAnd but we aren't bound to geographical locations to support our teams. We have a choice, and I chose SPURS.😌🤍
Money talks n man city walks free
I guarantee they wont this time. The Prem / FA are done with all the corruption. Cleanup time is upon us
You give dictator nation states control of clubs this is what you get. It’s how those countries operate. This is not new. The premier league is responsible for this for allowing this type of ownership. It’s a disgrace and city should be stripped of ALL titles in that period if proven. Same for Chelsea.
For a start Everton built a stadium through COVID and have been punished for the interest rates on the stadium.....Everton did nothing wrong considering there are teams in the league that got handed stadiums that were built out of tax payers money ....joke
PL only for richest club not about poor club
COULD be worse?? They fucking better be much, much worse. Nothing less than relegation will do
Very shock. Just everton 😂
If city are punished via relegation, Everyone that finished beneath city in the subsequently years and been relegated from 2012 from the premier league will have a case and be suing the premier league .
NO thats too much of a minefield .The legal tangles with Everton would pale in comparison . The best things is just relegate them to league 2 with a massive fine. Then hand over the documents to the Police( there is suspicion of real fraud here , more than just FFP )
City was a premier league team when taken over by Sheik Mansoor. So, relegating City would not make sense. The FA did previously investigate City. City are now self sufficient and operating with huge profits. Surely, if found guilty, they will appeal to CAS again.
They are making a lot of money in the last like year or two but prior to the last year or two there's no way they didn't reach financial fair play with the contracts and wages and players they were signing. Answer how many players they've sold sold prior to this last transfer? They've never really sold players they usually just let him walk away for free so they didn't even make profits on selling
Nonsense Gabs
It's a long shot but I'd celebrate if those cheaters get stripped and relegated
All this unnecessary speculation. People waiting on titles that won't come, all because its the international break and United didnt play.
City and Chelsea ain't goin anywhere
It would be a boring league without Everton,Chelsea& Man City in the Premier League.👎
Yes it would be very good for the league and football in general if they got relegated. A fine which means nothing to them would only encourage them to continue breaking laws. If nothing happens to City then it's a huge step towards the death of football as we know it. You might as well do your super league and be done with.
Only problem if City dominating 😂
They did wrong obviously but why are they not getting dealt with sooner it's a joke they will get away with a fine no doubt
Where’s your evidence? Or are you just another bitter and jealous 14 year old social media legal expert?
Yes. But the greatest coach of all times believes CFG are innocent, so we have to believe him.
City charges are to be dropped because they can’t get a fair trial as idiots in the media have already said they are guilty , so thanks Gabs and Julie 😂😂😂😂🤷🏽♂️
It's interesting how they grouped all Everton's into one, but City's are counted individually. You can't compare. They aren't charged with any kind of cheating, unlike United, Chelsea & Everton. City will be cleared. It's horseshit.
Are we forgetting that City need to be found guilty 1st.
Also Citys EUFA case was not just thrown out because of a time bar. It was also because EUFA publicly stated punishment before they conducted their own investigations which Courts and judges really don't like.
Not sticking up for City but when is proper process going to be as important as punishment for fans and media. You're no better than any club that has broken rules if you are biased and improper in your investigations into them.
All of that goes without mentioning that Evertons punishment seems harsh and for some reason is made out of thin air with no historical president. It can not be the case that the extra money over FFP allowances that Everton spent contributed to 10 extra points. In fact theres an argument to say that money spent over the last 5 years has been detrimental to the team.
It also negates the opion that FFP should just not exist, that FFP is a tool of protectionism and that FFP is not there to save clubs from bankruptcy. Though on this point, I admit digression as it is the case that it does exsiat and rules are rules.
The FA took 4 years and then found City guilty. Its up to City to supply evidence against that. So up to now they are guilty.
@@SJ-li6ho You are just hoping this to be true. This is not actually the truth. City being excellent must have hurt you so much that you are now delusional. The premier League have no evidence, city fans & execs are laughing at opposing fans as this will all be thrown out after the process. There is NO EVIDENCE
BS! 😂😂
city are guilty
@@kukunase1686how do you know?
MC oils time will come.
Cos they're time barred it's the law of the land the prem league is not a different country last time I looked