5 Ways Gordon Murray's T.50 Embarrasses Today's Supercars
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- Is Gordon Murray's T.50 Supercar The Best Driver's Car Ever?
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Gordon Murray wanted to build the best drivers car, period. The formula is pretty simple: lightweight, central driving position, naturally aspirated V12, manual transmission, and rear wheel drive.
The formula sounds great, but it’s actually a rather difficult thing to market. What are you going to brag about? The V12 is small, and not all that powerful. The manual transmission shifts seem pathetically slow in comparison to today’s stupid fast dual clutch transmissions. People don’t care nearly enough about weight, but they do care about horsepower, and 654 horsepower can be found in family sedans these days.
When other companies are making new supercars, they’re picking what they want it to be good at. Best track car, quickest acceleration, highest top speed. But these accolades only last for so long, and they don’t even mean that the car is fun to drive. But they’re bragging rights. When it comes to buying supercars, there’s a lot of ego involved. Marketing teams obviously know this, so cars are flashy, exotic, and break records to make talking points. And while I certainly admire the engineering that goes into it, many of these exotics aren’t all that special to drive.
Here’s an example with two cars. For about $36,000, you can buy a base Mustang GT with 460 horsepower, or a Club ND Miata and Brembo package with 181 horsepower. The nearly 300 horsepower bump is all most people need to hear, and the Mustang routinely outsells the Miata on a monthly basis, by as much as 10 times the quantity. The fact that the MX-5 weighs 1400 lbs less, an absurd amount, just doesn’t seem to be an effective talking point. Very few people care.
So why is this T.50 good? Simply put, because it’s fun. I’ve had the privilege to be able to drive hundreds of different cars, and from my experience, the amount of money you spend on a car doesn’t determine how much fun you’ll have driving it. And while the T.50 is silly expensive, it says forget the records, we’re building something rewarding to drive. It’s not about ego, it’s about having fun, and that’s the edge it has over all of the other supercars today.
From The Gordon Murray Automotive Media Kit:
"The T.50 has been engineered to be the purest, lightest, most driver-centric supercar ever. Improving on his acclaimed McLaren F1 “in every conceivable way”, Professor Gordon Murray CBE is leading the team that will begin building customer versions of the 986kg supercar in January 2022. Justifying its £2.36m (before taxes) price tag, the T.50 promises to deliver an unsurpassed driving experience.
It is powered by a 100% bespoke 3.9-litre, 663PS V12 engine that revs to a record-breaking 12,100rpm, and features the most advanced and effective aerodynamics ever seen on a road car - aided by a 400mm rear-mounted fan.
The global premiere is the first time the clean lines of the exterior and the driver-focused interior have been seen. From his first ballpoint sketches, to every engineering and design detail, Murray has led the Gordon Murray Automotive team and briefed and overseen suppliers to drive the project forward at an unrelenting pace. Murray’s design for T.50 was the 50th in a prestigious line of race and road cars he’s penned over his illustrious 50-year career - both reasons combining to name the car T.50.
The most dominant characteristics of the T.50 exterior design are its purity and balance, free from the wings, skirts and vents that adorn most modern-day supercars. The clean surfaces are enabled by the most advanced and effective aerodynamics ever seen on a road car, resulting in deliberately simple, beautiful lines and a timeless appearance."
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Well, there's no denying it - this guy really knows what he's talking about. Still one of the very best on TH-cam.
I absolutely agree
Even though he knows what he's talking about, he's still one of the very best!
@mike brink for which electric vehicles though? I know the Porsche Taycan has a two speed transmission but I assumed that was for higher top speed since it's much more performance-oriented than most EVs on the market? It's not necessarily applicable across the board to every electric car.
mike brink Bicycle analogy isn’t necessarily a great one. ‘Easier’ in that case really means less force, but you have to pedal more. Work = force x distance, gears allow you to apply less force over further distance or visa versa, but from a physics perspective you don’t actually do less work, you just spread the work out over a longer time. This is helpful as different motors like operating at certain amounts of force (torque in a motors case) and at certain speeds, but human legs and electric motors are quite different so it’s not really a useful comparison other than to provide a basic idea of what gears do. Just because gearing can be useful, doesn’t necessarily mean it always is.
I love reading comments on other reviews where people say they “don’t like the fan”. Ok ... did you take the time to understand all of the 6 modes of how it performs, how it instantly increases downforce under braking or how it can turn it into a long tail? Seems like the work of a genius but you don’t like how it looks 🙄
Edit: Lol, our boy talks about it in this video. Good job ✌️
When asked why his cars were so light, Colin Chapman said,”you ever see a fat man outrun a skinny one?” Lol
Once in the NFL. Other than that, no
Or outskate)
No... but.
Skinny people run marathons.
Muscular and tall, heavy people run sprints; 100m
Lean and athletic people run middle distance; 200m 400m 800m
So technically yes. Larger people are much more suited to brute force 100m power > weight.
But yes, that extra mass is muscle not fat.
Every athletics kid gets this drilled into them when they’re a child prodigy; you’re a mesomomorph, ectomorph or endomorph.
The body type you’re born with will dictate whether you’re a linebacker, a quarterback or a wide receiver.
A sprinter or a ultra marathon specialist.
@@DrSardonicus He said fat.
Hashim Rahman Reggie white may be fast in a straight line but idk about an obstacle course but there will be a few exceptions to the rule
As a Miata owner, I appreciate light weight over horsepower.
honda beat boi here and i agree
You need SOME hp though, Miata has none:p
@@TheSteinbitt it has some. 95ish is "some". but seriously though, with a 1.6 motor costing around $300 these days, it doesnt really make sense to not slap a turbo on one if you have the means. just keep a good motor around for when that one blows. then just move your turbo bits onto the next victim. seriously. you can get 5 engines for the price of a good hardtop. the 1.6 is good for like 230hp reliably. 290 if you pay the $300 few every few years. or 290 reliable hp if you build up the top end. that can get expensive though for a car thats like $3500
@DESTROY WHITE SUPREMACY BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY lol no you don’t, you seem a bit unhinged tbh.
@DESTROY WHITE SUPREMACY BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY proof or it didn't happen
i started cracking up at the animation of the T.50 flapping its “wings” 🤣
Engineering explained:
Sound:
V12 = good
I agree to these maths
mhm... Its your basic engineering equation.
Yes V12 na good. Its not possible for this to go bad.
Free Kyle Rittenhouse!
I personally prefer the sounds of a V10 but still...
V12 = Good
@@AbrahamArthemius Yeah me too but damn will it sound awesome with the ram air intake.
"Are you really going to argue that a naturally aspirated V12 doesn't sound good? I don't think you are."
Thank you for giving everyone the correct answer to the question before they even had a chance to consider it. :)
i wonder how close that engine will be to F1 in terms of sound mashing on those sweet 12.100 rpms....
One day we will lose that sound and that day will be very sad indeed.
10 years from now it will by hybrid turbo 4 pots everywhere that will sound like farting through a hairdryer.
@@obeybosss it wont be that good, with european sound restrictions and using lot of cats. Maybe they can fix that for US market (since it cost lot of money it should be customizable). Aftermarket will fix that for sure :)
@@ristekostadinov2820 are you suggesting that we put cats in the tailpipe? So inhumane...
V10 > V12
I knew this car was something with more class when Gordon Murray said he didn’t care about 0-60 times. All he cared about was making the best driving car possible!!!
Elon Musk will not accept that he doesn't care about 0-60 times last I heard from him.
The funny / weird thing is we may end up seeing a direct comparison between lightweight and fun to lightweight and outright performance with both T.50 and the Aston Martin Valkyrie rolling out to customers relatively close together. Personally I'm firmly with Gordon on this one. While Valkyrie being road legal is very impressive I can't imagine anyone lucky enough to have one deciding to actually use it on the road for any length of time. Not unless they're throwing in free chiropractor sessions anyway.
That was exactly his thoughts when he was making the F1. Make the “ultimate drivers car” type experience
The more you make a car in performance oriented way, the more it looks ugly.
100%
That calculation he did at 13:55...my brain stood up, resigned and walked straight out of one of my ears
EE Jason: "So what's the reason behind the fan?"
Gordon Murray: "Additional diffuser downforce."
EE Jason: "No, the REAL reason."
Gordon Murray: "...I'm Batman."
Settle down Commissioner Gordon
Lmao!! Gold
I think Jason underestimates the performance of the fan.. Gordon wouldn't include it if it wasn’t significantly adding to the performance.
Not just from the defuser under the car, it also removes it from above the car along the body of the car.
Hold my beer......😕😮😇
When you're more McLaren than McLaren
totally!
Absolutely 👍
McLaren diluted Gordon’s design for reasons known only to Ron Dennis and McLaren insiders whilst this vehicle is unlimited by extraneous influence.
The fan is highly functional and will become more so as aerodynamic information becomes available from the fleet in the real world
Amen.
It's GMA, not McLaren
McLaren T50 is the answer to the prayers of Petrolheads.
When I first saw the photo of this Car, I thought its gonna be just another 4 wheel drive 1000+ HP turbocharged hybrid with lightning fast transmission and a nurburgring lap record.
I am deeply satisfied and Thank god for giving us the T50. Even though most of us can't afford it but we will go to sleep dreaming about this car and such cars are still made. Ferrari, Porsche take notes... This is how it's done!!!!!!
Yes but it's not a McLaren
Well said. The morons at Ferrari should try to do something similar, but I'm afraid they won't.
Ferrari still making n/a gt cars along with Merc. This is a low production run with certain parameters to meet. Apple's and oranges. But hey, you garnered some attention. Yay
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Yes, Ferrari still make great NA engines, but their cars have become too heavy in modern times. I'd take an F50 over any modern Ferrari.
@DESTROY WHITE SUPREMACY BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY amen..👍
The use of the fan is brilliant, and you explained it very well. More downforce at low speed and under braking, and lower drag at high speed, all due to the fan (and valves). Very good use of active aerodynamics, without sliding skirts or variable surfaces other than the moving wing.
Low weight is extremely important and translates directly to fun. My Tesla Model 3 Performance will do most of what my friend's Lotus Exige will do, but must work much harder to do it. The Exige is much more fun to drive, particularly on tightly twisting roads.
Low weight would be my number one criteria for a performance car driven for fun.
The weight of T.50's chassis and drivetrain is incredibly low. Undercuts his classic McLaren F1.
For anyone who wants to see how fun a light car is, drive a Lotus Elise or Exige.
Nice to hear an engineer give their take on this marvelous machine. Journalists are good with words but they all sound the same and hit the same points. This was refreshing.
"engineer"
@@clark5583 well until I see proof he's not an engineer I'll continue to call him one
@@mikedrop4421 go ahead. But 4 basic years of college with no job experience creating/calculating/failing and finally succeeding don't make u an engineer. No matter the amount of 'presentations' u post online. He's just another journalist who can draw gears and google 'what's 10m in feet'
@@clark5583 He did work for a forklift manufacturer(on a parts design team) for some time if I'm not mistaken.
@@AdrienSantosCoelho yup, he totally did. 'application engineer' as a freshman and a 'test engineer' for 6 months.
That was the best job of rounding up I've ever seen
Putting this on a participation trophy and retiring, thank you!
what about Cadillac and their "400" engine
I think Gordon wants to be honest and precise, because technically it is a 3.9 unlike how Mercedes would do with the 6.2 engines and instead place 6.3 badges all over the C63
@@lsbugsbunny92 it is not "technically" a 3.9, because if it is 3994 cc then by EVERY standard, it rounds to 4.0L. The Benz "6.3" rounds down because, duh, it's below 6250 cc (6208cc to be precise since I looked it up). Basic mathematics principle.
@@EngineeringExplained Do we all get one?????
Harry Metcalfe from Harry's Garage did a brilliant interview with Gordon, well worth a look.
GM actually complemented HM about that interview.
Absolutely correct. Brilliant! I've just come from Harry's Garage where I had a good look at the car and spent some time with Gordon Murray . . . virtually that is!
I"ll show my age, the rear end of this car reminds me of the Batmobile.
Batmobiles had that jet design from the 80s right up to the end of the 90s, hardly showing your age. Unless you mean the batmobile from the 60s TV show, cause yeah that’ll really show your age
@@levygaming3133 iWas going to ask if Jack Nicholson played The Joker the year he was born :)
Yea, the one with the cheesy yellow flames coming out.....im old.
Straight from the BT46B - that was outlawed in F1 simply because it was TOO good...
@@levygaming3133 I also posted part of this down there in another thread, but seems more apropos here -- and yes, the '60s TV show version, which was Electric Powered, but those electric motors were powered via Gas Turbine! (the Flame out the back, heh). Friggin Amazing Tech for the day, that could've saved Texas a lot of headaches! That said;
I think we should swap in a lightweight Gas Turbine where the Fan is, so we can do 700mph on the straightaways! :-P
"1st, 2nd, and 3rd probably can spin the tires super easy; that's awesome, and as a result, I'm okay with the tall gearing." - The perfect formula for a fun car.
That's what happens when you have 650hp/ton on a rwd car!
@@juanordonezgalban2278 How did he calculate the gear shift points? Is there a table of gear ratios?
Low torque and tall gears SAVE tires and drastically improves grip during acceleration. That’s huge for performance, longevity which this car in warranty for 50k miles in engine with build life between 100-150k miles. I will use my T.50 like I do/did my V8 M3 which is also a low torque high hp car with very tall gearing in the 6spd gearbox. The low torque makes you faster and way more stable. Saving tires is just a huge cherry on top of the automotive ice cream Sunday.
Great video, thanks very much!
THE FAN: I think you've missed one important aspect of the fan's purpose. Gordon Murray has said elsewhere that a function of the fan is to move the centre of downforce forward from the diffuser area, to be much more central in the car. This is important because that means that the car's downforce is much more balanced w.r.t. it's centre of mass. This will significantly improve its chuckability into corners, because the front end will be so much better. Note there's pretty much no front end aerodynamic downforce components.
THE FUN FACTOR: Gordon Murray has for years referenced polar moment of inertia as being a key parameter of car design for "fun". That is, how close to the centre of mass is the car's mass? For example, a car where the engine and gear box are at either end of the car may well have a 50:50 weight distribution, but it will much more strongly resist turning into a corner simply because all the weight is at the ends of the car. With all that weight converged into the centre of the car, the same weight vehicle will have a much better steering response. The same goes for the polar moment of inertia in the other 2 planes also - it's best if everything is in the middle. So yes, tyres are very good these days and a heavy vehicle handlers like never before, but the same tyres on this car are going to make for phenomenal handling.
The fan has a role here too. By not relying on wings and splitters to generate downforce at the front and back, he's saving weight in the structure of the vehicle at the front and the back because he's not got the downforce at those locations. Instead he's placed the downforce in the middle of the car, where you want the balance of downforce to be in the first place and where you want the structural mass to be also.
Gordon Murray has often been critical of mad cars with monstrous engines primarily because they generally end up with some enormous weight positioned away from the car's centre. I can recall his article about the Bughatti Veyron, basically admiring what an good job Bughatti had done to keep the polar moment of inertia as low as they did, contrary to his initial fears, given the size of engine they'd squeezed into the car.
RPM PER SEC: You mentioned the responsiveness of an NA engine, but the figures for this engine are off the scale. 28,000 rpm/s. The NA McLaren F1, which we still think of being pretty damned phenomenal, is "only" 10,000 rpm/s.
Gordon Murray is clearly using this car to correct the "mistakes" he made on the F1; no bag for a fuel tank, using proper lights instead of ones borrowed from a bus, normal sized tyres, not hiding the gear shift mechanism, making the air conditioning work, that kind of thing. The motor generator on the crank is quite important - it provides electricity for the fan, but also the electric aircon pump. By not having a belt driven aircon pump he doesn't need to design one that can survive the rev range between 0 and 11,500 rpm (or whatever it's geared to) and the 28,000 rpm/s speed change.
You summarized that well. This car is will be like a Cheetah on cocaine.
HA, Imagine how quick it would smoke an AC fan belt, if it had one .
This is the best comment.
Somebody also watched Harry Metcalf talking to Gordon about the T50.
@@brianiswrong The best video for this car.
Back in the days of McLaren F1, a major design goal was a final weight below 1,000 kilos, and GM begrudgingly accepted a final weight greater than that (1,100 plus fluids) only because the engine turned out much more powerful than originally anticipated. Good to see he's brought this T50 to the road at just under 1,000 kilos.
Love this guy's videos almost as much as the other guy's cars, so this one I really did enjoy. 😁 Thanks, Jason & Gordon - keep up the good work, both of you!
and i was thinking that the era of analog and manual super cars was over and then Gordon Murray's came to save my life, thank youuu
Now all you need is a cool $3,000,000.00.
@@EngineeringExplained Hahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahaha
@@EngineeringExplained im broke
To me its like a Scion FRS/GT86/Subaru BRZ but like 5 stages up : ( Sport , Super , Etc )
it is over, Gordon Murray says this car will be the last of it's kind
2020. 2.5 million car. Puts in a manual transmission. Legend!
"Car doesn't need to be light" ? The lighter it is, the faster it can go through the corners. It is physics.
Faster on straights, corners and more fun. Why should't it be light??
Oh the tyres are modern?! Nice, so lighter car can go ever faster.
*_Takumi Fujiwara heavy breathing_*
Exactly, was a weird argument coming from an engineering guy
Lighter will always be superior
@@TheInsaiyan Exactly!
I think the point he is making is tyres/brakes/suspension/PS have gotten so good that cars can be heavier and still set same speeds on course (ex: why ferraris,lambo have all gotten heavier and faster
But I agree lighter cars will always be more of a thrill/fun to drive, it's just hard to market low weight in this era when the gains aren't perceivable on a stat sheet
So this guy built a drivers car
outside of drivers cars price range
it will 100% end up in the hands of boring people who don't drive them, what a shame
Lol
Maybe one in 10 will drive and gordon can point to them.
@@overcastfriday81 we can dream...
@@THESLlCK grass always seems greener on the other side. Maybe a first gen nsx with a reversible turbo kit would give 90% of the joy. Gordon himself drove an nsx in the 90s because he knew the mclaren plan was to drain owners pocket books with parts and service.
This is why the design needs to be adapted.
Id take all the ergonomics and make an 'affordable' version of a drivers car. Drivers can't afford this
That fractional improvement here and there, shaving off millimeters and milliseconds is exactly the kind of thing that everyone who is passionate about Formula 1 obsesses over. Gordon Murray does not give two shits about gimmicks and marketing, he never did and certainly won’t start now. The people who are buying these do appreciate that. This is not really a whole new car, he is just rebuilding the F1 because, it is his lifelong dream and unlike most of us, he feels the F1 was not good enough.
Well said mon ami
Them sell them at cost, of course he cares.
Gordon Murray says it, I'll believe it. His record speaks for itself. It took the automotive world nearly 30 years to catch up to his McLaren F1
so fcked up thinking about it but you are right. every gordon murray t.50 interview i saw basically says the same thing... he had a lot of mistakes/regrets with the F1 and the t.50 is basically him correcting it.
anyone passionate about Formula 1 knows that much higher downforce numbers can be achieved with a wing and adding DRS to it will reduce the drag for the straights. Higher downforce also means better braking. also a wing is much lighter than a fan.
This car literally doesn't need an ounce of marketing. It was already done in the '90s with the F1. Gordon Murray makes a car = people will buy it.
You're right on the money. They sold out almost immediately and as far as I'm aware, the car isn't even out yet. I bet all he has to do is say he's designing a sports car and name a price.
@@mountaindew267 yes sir, I believe you're correct on that one.
Correct assumption made .I think Gordan Murray has so much respect in design that he needs no PR.That was done with the F1.
It’s a shame they’re only going to build 100 of these. It would be nice if these were more available to more people, not that I’m ever going to get close to one. But if they made 1,000 of them instead of 100 at least I might see it in a car show somewhere.
@@wallymcguire2033 yeah. And the other shame is they won't get driven either. They'll be put in a climate controlled facility in the hopes they skyrocket in value like the F1 did. Which they most likely will.
True enough. My MK1 Rabbit GTI with coils was the most fun car I've owned, even though it was pretty slow, it felt very fast and was always rewarding me.
I really enjoyed your comments and review of this car. You were thorough, brief, to the point. Thanks for doing so much to get through what no doubt are the talking points of this car and it's competitors.
Comes out of shadows - shows how everyone is wrong - drops mic - leaves
I would love to see you discussing this masterpiece with Gordon Murray himself, and getting a clearer picture of what's what!
Literally dozens of videos with him talking about this car
@@Benzinilinguine with people with no engineering degree.
agreed, i was hoping the same. who knows there may yet come an opportunity for a part 2 video a year or so from now. we'll still be eager to watch it.
I would reckon that in the presence of Murray, he would of course not criticize so dismissively.
I'm afraid our elf faced engineering friend would get a deserved reaming for having slandered Gordon Murray with the accusation his fan is a marketing gimmick. We'll see when the stats come out how much weight doesn't matter then.
Great content. Love the way you get the engineering concepts across. Only criticism is the mixing of metric and imperial units of measure in the workings.
As usual, such a great video and explanation. Now off to find some more videos about the T.50. Thanks. As if I needed any other reasons to get lost down the youtube rabbit hole.
My car has a fan in the bonnet that STOPS it from breaking!
😂
Every car needs that fan
My pc also have weird glowing fans as well
I have fans because I'm cool, not the other way around.
Absolutely LOVE that its a manual transmission! Let's hope they never die out.
You and me both!
...... until all cars are made electric :/
@@demmersify Buzz kill !!
Manual transmissions are more entertaining, but dual clutch are objectively better in every way: smaller, quicker, generally lighter, more efficient, etc.
Loanword Eggcorn isn’t the purpose of driving a sports car to have fun, take satisfaction in doing it well, be entertained?
This vehicle fits a particular niche: Automotive perfection
Have been a huge fan of yours since you had about 25k subs. Fantastic video !
Every other T50 video is almost an hour long & yet I am most looking forward to this one. Never before has a whiteboard been so highly anticipated. Genius, thanks!!🏁
This is why I bought and love my Alfa 4C - It's FUN to drive. I dont give a flying $h*t about bench racing, its about the driving experience. Sadly auto industry + gov regulations is forcing our auto enthusiast hobby to go extinct.
Don't you miss the manual?
haha yeh but you overpaid for an unreliable 4 cylinder, its 40 percent overpriced, less exciting than a lotus, and for the price you could get a reliable v8, some 6s or even nearly a porsche boxter, if you want smaller engine, i DO agree that the speed of a car is less important than the fun of it, my wife had a manual miata that was surprisingly fun despite being under-powered but at least it wasnt overpriced, and a V8 will hold its value so bad choice but each to their own i guess
@@gazzarafalemozzy4766 and you ALSO overpaid for your car, as why are you driving what your driving, when you could have had a "Insert Car here" that Costs X less and is more reliable here, as god forbid the man has taste and has displayed his choice proudly, and how do you know its unreliable, cars differ from example to example even amongst the biggest brands, just because one's gone crackers doesnt mean his has or will.
as for all you know the cars your thinking of were given to the dude brah's of youtube, IE thes donut media's, the street speeds and the smegheads who cant build a car to save their life like B is for b, and they screwed them up and then blamed the manufacturers for it
or you watched top gear and took clarkson at his word instead of taking him for the rockheaded smeg head like he really is.
Love the 4c, alpine and Elise
@@NeoHCgbz no going extinct. In my state they were making people modify their classic cars to fit emissions standards. People were going to sue the state for them wanting to cause damage to their investments so the governor had to sign an executive order for 74 and older cars. All cat cars and newer still have to pass modern emissions standards. They want your old car to learn new tricks or you cant drive it.
Such a good channel. I don't watch the whole thing normally Like this one. But I appreciate it!
Keep up the great work. It's technical but you definitely enjoy cars and love driving :-) These make the distinction.
I'm in my 50s, I have an engineering degree and still, I learn something from every video you post. Great job and can't wait to hear the audio of that engine at 11,500 RPMs.
Reading "I'm in my 50s" I thought you were typing frm inside the actual T50s lol
16 minutes and never once did he say Batmobile or make a reference to “Conmisioner” Gordon ...
Gordon Murray actually designed a Batmobile for the Batman on Ice show. I think it was around 10 years ago.
Oh god, is that actually a comparison people have been making?
Norman G maybe it’s just me but that fan on the back is very reminiscent. Plus the guy who “commissioned” it is called Gordon. Just me? My brain does work in mysterious ways.
I just love watching your videos, GREAT job.
The Best on TH-cam! Thanks, cheers Kev
Gordon: It's a 4 liter
Jason: 3.994
Ford Mustang V8s with less than 5 liters: *sweats nervously*
If you can do math correctly a 5.0 is actually a 4.9 (4943 cc)
Mercedes 6.3L *sweating profusely*
@Rodolfo Ramos technically it can be called a 6.2 since you can round up the .-62 is higher than .5.
@@2moke2creen erm, wouldn't that only up it to 6.17? Therefore, still a 6.1
@@rrdm6085 looking back at it yes. I was think round the .16 to .20 therefore 6.2L.
I just hope this gets included in Gran Turismo 7
it probably will
You mean gt sport 2
This is the kind of car you get in GT.
@@xenodeath7065 You know that what we got was an early preview, right?
No, they’ll just give us 30 Miata variants and 40 different GT-Rs
I love the entire philosophy around this car. I love all the technologically overstuffed exotics too, but this one feels special.
Great!, I appreciate your pasion for light weight cars fun to drive, supper efficient
A true piece of art. This car will be remembered forever and skyrocket in value.
He's done it again. Class. Art, as you say. Something to behold and marvel.
disagree
not really. Almost everything in this car was already in McLaren F1, it's a little evolved, but it's not revolutionary. And I really doubt it could gain a racing pedigree like F1 did.
Murray himself sold his F1 as he said the insurance was getting insane and the idea of driving a $20 Million car to the shops started to get ridiculous. This car won't get the same racing pedigree, but it'll absolutely be an investment and sadly probably won't be driven much by the owners
@@byst33 a risky investment. At the time of F1 we had no car like that, 3-4 factories and really few models to compare. Now you have a larger market of hypercars, many different models with outstanding performances, every brand offer limited series too (Lamborghini alone made 4 special version of Aventador: Veneno, Centenario, Sian, Essenza) with prices above 1 milion. Yes, there are more billionaires around the world than before, but how many cars they'll buy? There is a serious risk of a bubble.
I don't think I've been as excited to see a car come out as I am for this one, this thing is going to be insane. Cosworth have really knocked it out of the park in recent times with this motor and the Valkyrie
01:56: “Fly, fly away!” That was hilarious! 🤣
very cool video as usual Jason, just curious why you'er converting the metric numbers for brake distance back to imperial again lol
"Don't care about weight"
...Assuming you live in America
I heard people in the UK have a pretty significant fat population too.
@@drummerdoingstuff5020 Yeah, but as always : "America first."
@@TheMops14 no doubt.
@Amarjit Singh the fattest countries in the world are:
1. Mexico
2. Various Pacific Islands
3. U.K.
4. America.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 UK barely has any fat people tbh ( Im asian so dont use that excuse lol )
While I do absolutely love this car, I'm worried that a lot of them are going to become garage queens in some billionaire's basement because of resale value.
A lot of them will just sit in garages.
Actually a lot of buyers are young people who didnt get the chance to drive it because collectors making these cars expensive. Gordon explains this in some of the interviews. It’ll probably end up wrapped around a tree more likely
@@raykreiger4123 Ah, much better.
That is the downside of such limited production runs.
Roan Atkinson crashed his F1 2-3 times using it regularly :D
Your videos are so amazing !!!
Every other super car manufacturer: More is more!
Gordon Murrary: Less is more. (But let's also make it beautiful engineering)
Very well said.
It's not really beautiful.
It is amazing!
It is already out of date.
Should have been at least a hybrid. Imagine a 2.5 litre V12 or V8 that revved to 16,000 rpm = 450hp, plus 150hp electric.
Problem is extra weight.
Mr.Incredible: _Math is Math!_
Jason:
_Sound:_
*V12 = Good*
Great video as always. I think you may have miss characterized the use of the fan just a little bit. As you stated down force and drag increase with the square of the speed. Therefore the effectiveness of the fan is much higher with speed. If it decreases braking distance by 10 m from 150-0. We can assume the majority of that increase happens from 150-50 and the benefit below 50 mph is negligible. So if your approaching a corner at 150 and can brake 8m deeper to make the corner at 50 I would say that is a justifiable benefit. But at normal road speeds I would think it is hardly noticeable.
I think you provide a very fair assessment (as shown in the video, the effect is more prominent at higher speeds). That said, when he says "downforce doubles" folks might think this means it has massive downforce, when it does not. It's a modest bump. That was my point.
The downforce probably doesn't increase that much with speed, as the fan is adjustable.
Even at "abnormal" road speeds, it's probably hardly noticeable 😅 but it might make a difference for the owners who take theirs to the track.
@@EngineeringExplained you have failed to make your point and until that board has a unit of pressure on it, you can not make the assessment or assumption on how much additional downforce is generated by the fan. if anything you proved the car has a low coefficient of drag. and an engineer knows that lift(negative downforce) is different from drag.
for all we currently know the fan may just keep the air at the same velocity as if the car were moving at speed, which over your 150-0 curve means the downforce stays at an amount equivalent to 150mph during 150-0 deceleration. effectively doubling the downforce during braking event.
also 50% increase in "High Downforce Mode"(not double, you mis-read it in the same document i did) is not a modest bump, thats conservatively 20% more velocity you can carry around a corner.
Drag and lift is a cubed function with speed. Go twice as fast, get eight times more drag and lift
0:56 my wallpaper ever since it’s been out
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Excellent channel. The engineer is excellent at walking me and my stupidity along with his level of knowledge. I enjoy the videos as I feel I learn a little something every time
Fantastic video man!
Jason, great overview of the car. I like how you went deeper into the engineering of the car. I like the car and appreciate a lot of the engineering being put into. Part of this is Gordon Murray’s talk and thoughts on making an exotic car.
Let’s see what the car will do when reviewers have access to the cars.
If it were just any v12, I might argue the "sounds good" point. But it's a Cosworth, so yeah, it's going to be good.
Yeah, in all honesty I do prefer the sound of turbo inline 6 but as always, that's a preference.
I do like some NA V12 sound too, but frankly not too much of a fan of high pitched whining, or it being loud. Seems like so many people out there (that is, in comment section and youtubers) seem to just think that if it screams loud and high pitched it sounds beautiful, I'm not really on that group. One of my favorites is a diesel even (VW V10 TDI straight piped. Growls like a lion).
Where my V8 gangs at. V8 > V10. As for V12, I find them more hit or miss like you said. But Cosworth be good for sure.
@@slbaaron Depends on what you like - 6 and 12 cylinder engines are smoother than 8 or 10. It's all about that nerdy physics of forces ;)
@@slbaaron Nah, the LFA V10 sounds better than any V8
there is some footage on youtube somewhere on youtube channel and I have to say that engine sounds glorious.
Brilliant video. There's still hope for the internet 🙏🏽
Great vid ! 👍
Who else would think him and James May would get along really well 😂🤣
Another great video Jason. Engaging and informative. Loving your week. More videos please. 👏👍👌
Great video on this masterpiece!
Jesus, probably one of the best video about this fantastic car.
I love this channel, I'm watching it from italy, unfortunately there is nothing like this here.
Love it..
Lets not forget one other impressive feat - no belts.
and how many functions are performed by that starter/generator... little disappointing this wasn't mentioned in the video
Would definitely argue with the “weight doesn’t matter” claim. Lighter=faster (okay... potentially and if engineered properly etc). If you don’t have it, you don’t have to push it along, stop it or get it to turn. Murray know that as well as anyone since Chapman, hence the obsession.
Gordon even obsessed about his drivers not wearing wristwatches so they can steer faster... Plus less weight and softer springs also means at normal speeds you're not going to feel like you're riding in a shopping cart like many other supercars!
weight does matter because it is a low powered car
"Power lets you go fast in a straight line, lightness lets you go fast everywhere" Colin Chapman
True but in F1 it has penalised larger drivers.
Years ago, a pro-cyclist friend of mine used to talk about his all carbon bike with bemusement sometimes because if he had an extra cup of tea / bacon butty at breakfast it negated all the shaved grammes saved on the bike.
Still, I like the retro look of the T50 as compared to the Red Bull Valkyrie or even the laFerrari style cars.
@@fablewalls I believe Gordon Murray is a relatively tall man and he fits in the T50 just fine.
Great video very thorough as always....I would love to drive one
Cheers for the video mate 😎 👌
12100 rpm! This is beautiful! It reminds me of the pagani zonda but on steroids
Zonda in it's most extreme form revs only to 8k rpm. T50 will be from another planet.
@@r129r16pfl Zonda R might have rev higher than 8k, cause it was not meant for road use and was not bound by any racing rule and regulation...
Love your videos Jason, the weight penalty is also seen in tire ware. Heavy cars go through brakes as well as tires more often.
Best video on the T50 I've seen.
Props.
Looks like an amazing car.
Luv and Peace.
I have immensely enjoyed this, thank you sooo much man. That's the mostly perfect balance of engineering to enjoyment ratio or whatever 😅😆
First supercar I've been excited about for a while.
Wish you had talked about the ISG, the lack of an accessory belt drive, and everything else that comes together to allow the engine to rev up so quickly!
MY 1980'S austin mini 1000, was just as much fun as my 1981 countach 400s
Can we see Gordon Murray reacting to this video? Amazing work Jason!
I've been driving my electric Hyundai Kona since January.
Last week, I got to drive a standard. It was orgasmic. Gawd, I miss standard.
I have a Hyundai Elantra GT with the 6 speed and an Isuzu Trooper with a 5 speed. My daughter is 10 and is dying to learn how to drive it. I let her shift the gears (while I obviously clutch and drive) and she already thinks its so cool. I can wait to teach her when she can drive. She will probably be the only kid in her high school that knows how.
The car looks really good, except for the front end.
Not a fan...
and this is....
a...
opinion
so nobody attack this dude he's a scorpion
@@JapaneseSoomi If you look up you might be able to see that joke go over your head....
@@richiethirlwell9454 I didn't do as good a job as I should. I should have written "not a fan" instead of "I'm not a fan" ;)
Edit: there, I think it's better now :P
@@richiethirlwell9454 I know its a joke, its just that i dont want anyone to attack him lmao. I dont think you got my joke or refrence which is ironic. No Offense mah dude. have a nice day
@@TiagoMorbusSa very nice
Great review.... thank you🙏
Awesome vid, just found the channel.
That's Italian manufacturers' 'passion' myth put to bed.
Honestly Was Hoping You Would Do This !!
Enjoyed the analysis. I wonder, could the fan be used to pull the rear end down more when launching? The softer springs may also help it to squat when moving off the line and so have more traction?
One additional consideration about the long gearing comes from the very high revs it can reach: such a high rev limiter allows to reach a higher top speed with a rather traditional gearing, while still maintaining an acceptably low speed at idle without the need to clutch-crawl your way through traffic... Or to put it differently, it´s not longer, it´s extended.
The only youtuber brave enough to do this. Jason you're on another level.
Low weight has a huge impact on cost/wear items when it comes to track time
Great video 👍🏼
Great video!
Yes! Slim, light cars for the win. Not fat bulky, chunky cars. Cars should be under 900kg/2000lb, they should be smaller than modern cars, slimmer, with the nice proportions and sizes of what many 80s and 90s cars had and they should be fun.
We need an 800kg, 400hp sports car.
That's what I've been waiting for. N/A for the win!
Thank you for the engineering explained! It was needed lol This car is truly incredible and unique !
Your rounding skills are sharp young man!
This is shaping up to be an epic track monster. Can't wait to see the times it puts down on tracks all over the world
I think it will be more fun on the way to the track via some interesting roads
This will be a road car. Gordon will be making a track version after the road cars are constructed
It's everything opposite to the track car, laptimes are not a priority.
It has narrow and non track focused Michelin ps4s tires.
Soft suspension
Low downforce.
Relatively low horsepower and torque
Slow gearbox.
Only good thing (in track car terms) is insanely low weight.
It's a shame we won't have top gear fastest lap times scoreboard. Love to see this go up against the Valkyrie.
@@TheBadBunny87 Valkyrie will destroy T50 on a race track.
Really good stuff..but can you please also use the metric system..for us from around the world..😅
He uses both, I've never had an issue with that.
FREEDOM UNITS! XD
A real bisexual petrol-head how does being patriotic make a person a moron? Sucks about your life
@A real bisexual petrol-head keep on enjoying living in your inferior country. If you hate America so much stop consuming so many American products like this video made by an American. Might aswell stop watching 90% of movies and tv aswell.
@A real bisexual petrol-head also calling someone a moron while using improper grammar makes you the moron.
This is beautiful! Thanks for being awesome! :)
I was waiting for this video to explain to me how the fan is controlling the boundary layer. Thank you.