My Response to Big Fry's Top 5 Things To Make Ghost Recon Better
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Big Fry Video: • 5 Things the Next Ghos...
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1. believable, populated setting with plenty of urban areas
2. smarter, more responsive AI
3. more complex/dynamic objectives
4. realistic gear with carry weight (or at least limited in how much you can bring with you)
5. great audio
These are the things the Ghost Recon community should be talking about 24/7. gg ez
Good list.
Halo did a military lead really well. Master Chief is both iconic and a blank slate because his silence speaks volumes and his few spoken lines are memorable. The fact we didn't know his name at first (and in a way we're still not entirely sure) helped too. Fallen Ghosts has precedent for this with Nomad just being referred to as "Ghost Lead." Modern GR has been sitting on the fence about making Ghosts' identities a secret in-universe, so you might as well just commit and come up with a lore reason for why they stopped using real names. In a tactical setting you do need characters to be communicating, so maybe you could have spoken gameplay lines exclusively activate as a result of a player action like reloading and giving an order. Trying to over-characterize gameplay dialogue for this kind of lead would also be a mistake. No flashy expansion, just "Reloading/Back up." Tactical bros think simplistic dialogue is *cool,* but Ubi Paris is overengineering their characters to meet a list of minimum required easily readable traits that's backfiring and making them feel bland and generic
Well said G 👍. My main top 5 features are
1. The open world needs to be believable, populated, and hopefully, the civilians react accordingly to your actions.
2. Gear management system. Gear needs to have an impact on your Ghost performance. Eg functioning camo, more armour and ammo will effect speed and maneuverability etc
3. Smarter enemy and squad AI. More options for squad orders.
4. A more detailed and organic mission system with realistic repercussions.
5. Upgraded gunplay and balistics.
Perfect. Imagine if they nailed these fundamental core mechanics? The franchise would be back on top.
@@GmoneyMozart The main things we want/need are pretty simple, really. UBI just needs to listen and not make the same mistakes previously made. 🤞
You hit a lot of the ideas pretty much! I just want micromanaging back along with alpha bravo charlie and maybe they can add in delta and turn up squad limit to 4 or 5 per fireteam would be nice man! I love managing squad and we should be able to trade ammo and resources on the fly.
Exactly my point. It's such a crucial part of this franchise. If you're a ai teammate guru you should check out my ideas for what I would want if you haven't already.
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Please keep these discussions alive G. We're close to the release of the game and believe it or not, these videos, I'm sure keep Ubiflop on the feet. The game is almost done since we're a year out, but I think it makes a difference.
And I thought the same with Big Frys video. I think 'Recon Tactical Shooters' have a lot of nuances than the usual tactical shooter that need to be thought out properly, a lot of nuances that are missing from Ghost Recon recent games.
Ya I was surprised that his list was…well…a bit generic. They can do everything he wants and the game can still suck. Imo if Ubisoft doesn’t improve ballistics and AI, nothing will matter. The game will be mediocre.
I'm on the fence with the concept of enemies seeing you 400-500 meters out. That kinda takes the fun out of stealth mechanics when some random guy from clear across the base that you can't even see can spot you and a war pops off. I do prefer more agressive AI and do agree that Snipers should be able to see you further out, especially if you are just running around in open space, but if Im using shadows, trees and walls as cover or going prone I would prefer a more arcade like experience where I'm not automatically seen. I think MGSV did a good job with that where it was fun and arcady but walked the fine line of enemies being able to detect you.
Git gud brah!
Na I hear you but I’m done with video game ai in tac shooters honestly. Walking in front of guys at 70 meters and they can’t see me. I want the ai to feel normalized. Wait for the opening and move. Approach the base where there’s cover. Shit like that, and then when shit goes sideways, enemies actually engage me from far distances instead of running to me like morons and getting shot like the shotgun archetypes.
Also, difficulty should tweak these settings like Spartan realism mod.
@@GmoneyMozart There's a nice balance that could be struck with the type of mission you're on. Take away the open world aspect, and instead lets go back to individual levels, with the parameters set from the start. If the mission is going to be more action packed, the AI will detect you faster. If it's supposed to be a stealth type mission, the AI takes a little longer to detect you, and can't detect you from as far away.
We need the story depth and attention to detail on Wildlands with the gameplay mechanics of Breakpoint. Make it a gritty, realistic and interesting setting (Invasion of US soil by Russia, Post GWOT Afganistan, Continuation of the Wildlands story in El Salvador) and ship it to us bug free. Then rejoice in the mountais of money you will be making.
The whole realism aspect of enemies being super sharp and deadly where people have to worry about ammo types and such.
That ain't NEVER going to happen, it's not even going to get thrown around as a concept, people will see all the overwhelming options and overbearing combat and 80% of people will switch off within the first hour, people want to play more of the fantasy of a Spec Ops soldier rather then having to play as one and quite frankly, I'm with them, I don't want to crawl in the grass for 20mins, one slip up and it's mission over.
Id like to see a rambo first blood kind of hunt. When you retreat into the woods, the enemy regroups and tracks you wherever you go tryin to corner you in a cave. They could take notes from COD as well when it comes to tellin espionage type stories.
Tbh when Wildlands launched, people thought it to be a mil sim version of GTA V.... it was only after sometime or a 2 years to be precise when people finally understood how to play the game. In Wildlands you had everything you needed. In Breakpoint the idea was to create a Survival experience which sort of failed cause of too many bugs and all. Still I love to play both games whenever i get the time.
Propper laser sight alignment would be nice
I feel like Fry overlooked what impact a great gameplay is to a story. Shadow of War had a generic story but the gameplay is where it's at, you make your own army of orcs, you overthrow kingdoms with them, you promote them, you develop them, make them betray their own and in the end they can betray you, you can lose them when they die permanently... this in itself IS the story, it's the journey that you make and it'll always be different between players, unique. This is what Ghost Recon should strive towards, along with a believable, plausible geopolitical conflicts as the bread and butter of the narrative.
You said it. If you have a gameplay loop that is fun and addicting the story is just a compliment to the already addicting gameplay. This is the way.
In regards to the squad AI I believe they should look at Ready or Not’s SWAT AI as a baseline for CQB, door stacking, breaching, clearing rooms etc. For a triple A developer these mechanics should be well within their ability to implement. The enemy AI also must be able to do everything the player can, from tactics to traversal and on. And please, give us realistic missions and objectives, not just; go here, interact with computer, leave/ 2:00 enemy counter attack. The story needs to be gritty and believable. Though I had my issues with wildlands, the mission structure and over-arching narrative wasn’t one of them.
I feel like they can take and learn stuff from insurgency sandstorm with map design and weapon design. Where there’s consequences to what’s chosen. Also go back to how GRAW mission designs were with different task needing to be done before the mission is completed but also your teammates will stay dead if they aren’t healed. But I also worry that Ubisoft would design like 10 missions like that and still sell the game at full prices like that too
Great video bro!
😘
I appreciate the thought, preparation, and even-handedness (along with passion for the games/franchise) you brought to your presentation here. Nicely done, GMoney 👍🏻)
thanks jim! I just hope one day we can play a Ghost Recon game that wow's us and wow's the industry and launches the franchise to the top of the tac shooter genre.
@@GmoneyMozart Agreed! And as someone who’s been playing almost nothing but DayZ this past year (after playing years/loads of WiILDLANDS and BP), I wouldn’t mind a PVPVE alternative game mode in the next GR game. I realize it’s all a HUGE undertaking and “ask” of a developer, but imagining even WILDLANDS or BP with their PVE aspects BUT ALSO, say, 20-50 other players to fight or team up with (and/or betray)…that would make for one HELLUVA gaming experience 🤷🏼♂️🤞🏻. No extraction stuff necessary imo. Thoughts? Have you tried DayZ, GMoney? Get past the jank, and there’s quite a tense AF gaming experience that the GR franchise *could* take/learn from.
Great video. For me it was the robots and AI teammates. The robots was like playing Metal Gear. I like that game, but Ghost Recon should be it’s own thing.
The AI teammates, I just want to be able to split into two smaller groups of two or three soldiers. Like in Island Thunder or SOCOM.
I think they need to take a good hard look at the most popular mods for the game to see what their players really want. Almost all of the most popular mods are based on realism and challenge. Then of course a ton of gear mods, because people like us can never have too many options for gear.
Good point. The community literally modded ghost recon to be harder lol
I want
1 more dynamic/ better story missions
2 better AI. I liked Future Soldiers mechanics for AI arcade management (sync shots)
3 better enemy AI interactions (interrogation mechanic like MSGV TPP, maybe use sniper as support in solo missions like the Quiet mechanic.)
4 more populated world, the game felt barren. I get that aurora was supposed to be a deserted island but to pretend that the outcasts or civilians wouldnt be driving in cars is silly. (I've never seen a civillian vehicle outside of an enemy base.)
5, I don't really care for the open world game style. Give us a semi open level that we need to pick our teams for and overtime, open the world to previous levels as you progress.
TLDR: I want a cross between R6 Vegas, MGSV TPP and Future Soldier.
Absolutely agree G, excelent video, could've said it better myself.
Priority-wise, as much as I dislike the Prone Camo mechanic and its implementation, I'd be far more concerned with enemy AI and the fact that they're not allowed to go prone themselves, no matter how much lead the player throws their way, which is and has always been absolutely incomprehensible to me.
Yooooo what up bro! Ya man I’m just really trying to nail those core concepts about AI and ballistics etc. no matter how good a story and whether open world or sandbox, if they don’t improve on AI and ballistics I think any game that comes out will still feel mediocre. And I’m not sure if ubi is up to the task of making an actual tac shooter deserving of the ghost recon brand at this point. We’ll see.
@@GmoneyMozart Yep, you've said it. Been playing Sniper Elite 4 myself lately and man, the fact that you need to stick to one particular rifle in order to learn the ballistics of that one rifle is so great. I struggle to make a 200 mt shot. It makes you master your tools, which results in hours upon hours of meaty, meaningful gameplay just to do that.
@@elcuervacho9423I don’t think Ubi grasps that concept, that the simple things like mastering the shooting of a weapon can be so engaging.
Agreed 💯
Said it before, but I still feel very strongly about it. I would like to see all variables that you can control. I want to decide my insertion and extraction options, the time of day, which day of the week it is relating to the weather, supporting assets like attack heli’s or a sniper pair and finally more customisation of my player and my team. on top of that, I completely agree with all of your points. the main thing that upset me when wildlands came out was that all AI were alerted immediately when you killed someone in a base If you look at the E3 demo, you can see that the initial mechanic was much less overreactive. I’ll never stop believing in ghost recon, but I’ve also been burned too many times before.
Ya I completely agree. I think they did do a better job with the ai alert in breakpoint with not all of them being alerted at once.
Socom us navy seals was a good example
Great vid I agree with the points made here. GR needs to go harder. It's so dissappointing how they kept it so arcadey and GTA-like in some aspects. If they really have to follow a trend, atleast follow the popular tactical shooters being released like Ready or Not, Ground branch, parts of EFT. Etc. Cause they are innovating and are actual tactical shooters. Not some looter shooter like they did with breakpoint.
Hey G, great video, as usual. Are there new updates about a new game?
Thanks bro! Na the franchise is cold right now with nothing on the horizon.
The problem with GhostRecon is lack of focus(game type focus)... once they figure that out they will make the game better.
I think Ubisoft is just stuck in the “let’s make a cool arcadey video game” area and refuses to try to evolve the Clancy universe games without mocking them.
Huge fan of Big Fry, as well as yourself. I think both of you provided good points here. But I think I have to go with G's vision for the finer details.
Whats up Bill! I like Fry but I def think his video seemed a bit lackluster especially for the things that really matter to get this franchise to where it needs to be to succeed! But def shout out to him for bringing some much needed attention to the IP.
The game is really fun been playing
Bulletcatchergaming literally covered what big fry covered in the bullet cast podcast weeks ago also mixing some with what you covered..... great video G for pushing what GR really needs
🔥 vid brother
Must have been a dif vid fry just put this top 5 up a few days ago. Shout out to bullet catcher.
I agree with everything you said. But I already gave up.
Lol, BigFry does'nt understand the concept of Ghost Recon Breakpoint... Like Wildland, he broke the rules, but its so good... very sad that people today don't understand this...
No more robots Please!!!
Oh ya. I think they figured they one out.
Wtf man !! Where u been !!?? It’s been too long !!
Slow roasting the content bro lol
1- using the current prone mechanism to hide from large drones doesn’t make sense. Where are the thermal sensors in this world of magical air and solar power and, later, “optical camo”? You have thermal, but the guys who are set up on the island and have magical technology don’t.
His point (not having seen the video) doesn’t make sense. The prone camo should be improved: instead of being invisible, it buffs your camo; instead of being binary, it should slowly fade as the mud and foliage falls off as you move; it should apply a camo bonus if you are in the terrain from which you vegged.
2- yes, it should be levels between the size of GR01 and SE4’s large levels. Ideally, it would allow you to choose from a pool of times with varying weather and lighting and different insertion zones.
3- yes, it should have attributes and permanent death. It’s not supposed to be a cinematic experience. It’s supposed to make you feel vulnerable but highly effective. Death should matter. …and actually occur outside of a cutscene.
4- PVEVP is more interesting than only PVP. Each player should control a squad or fireteam and be able to switch to any of them during gameplay, similar to what “Enlisted” has. Perhaps, teams could race to complete as many objectives before the time expires.
Okay, I must have missed one of his points, but your requests are better. It should be about gameplay, not watching a movie as most modern games force or playing a movie like COD forces. RPGs can have that cinematic tone, but GR is supposed to be a squad-based tactical shooter. Also, squads start at 6 militia, not 4, Ubisoft.
ya the mechanics in general are just not done well and are just at a minimum development stage. The prone mechanic being one of them due to what you said. "Oh some mud will do the trick." It's "video game mechanic" shit like this that doesnt work imo. And ya, we need a camo system, where that ability could further improve your ability to blend into your surroundings. He just wanted it removed. He didnt like it like most people when they first played the game and azreal drones were coming by every 5 minutes making you hide. But I think if you're leading off your top 5 with that, out of everything to discuss, you probably didn't think through it much and just needed to get a video up on your channel. That's kind of the feeling I had after I watched it. Very generic. Story, map, mechanic, character creator, pvp. I mean realistically all of those things could be 10/10 and the game could still suck if everything I mentioned was not improved upon. Just my opinion.
And I combined 2 of his points sort of in that second part of my vid which was the open world/sandbox and the story.
Atp I need you in the lab making these game lmao you hit every point every time and I don’t get how the devs are missing this by a mile.. but I’m not really keen or give a care for the ai teammates unless now hear me out; we can chatgpt with our ai teammates with the voice commands which segways into hand motions whilst giving the order for immersion.. I think adding that would eliminate a lot of those “tactical” “immersive” takes; it would just be about how they execute the commands ya know.. do you think this will ever be a thing? Cause that’ll be the game changer for me lol I don’t want to sit in no dam command menu looking through 30 commands just to break my immersion
It was a thing 20 years ago I’m sure if a Dev team wanted they could do it. We had voice commands with socom.
I hope your prayers is answered when ghost recon orge comes
we shall see. Hopefully!
@GmoneyMozart I hope is more of realistic environment
I love Ghost Recon, but Breakpoint is the worst by far, they need to return to good story telling in campaign whilst gameplay needs a big overhaul, i dont want to be tanking bullets a minimum of 3 shots should kill you or the Ai, and MP was my thing on Wildlands, i think the next 1 should be a massive map like Breakpoint s map and have like between 60 to 100 players on the map, but also the weather,terrain should play a big part on how attack players etc.
so long as Ubisoft lusts after Fortnite player base or CoD players or the likes, we won't get what we want. my 2 cents...
Since already being cemented as possible, pay attention and relish how smooth solid snake moves in phantom pain!
Ai squad positioning and consequences
More nuance in how to get a job done from unnoticed to going loud. (Unnoticed, suspicous investigation, searching investigation, caught)
Add rappelling, and way to get into, onto and around obstacles.
Context jumping
smooth out some of the control issues, the overall feeling is janky in transitions!?
get rid of all storytelling, im the blade not the politician!? Phuk what you talking about 🤨😮😮😮
"expand the gear wheel to include all your items on the fly....😊
AI is stupid, they need real world senses!
As any ubisoft game the "VEHICLE CONTROLS ARE ALWAYS ASS"!
ABILITY TO:
.set up your own map and
enemy configuration
.Better terrain navigation
.Better, quicker or shorter take down animations
.Enemy engagement distances!
.Dismemberment
.Squad loss and training
Stop mixing male bodies on female heads!!!
👍G on this video. Now contrast what you covered with youtuber @WillyB, who has over 355k subscribers, and his method of playing a Ghost Recon game. His latest is titled "Breakpoint is one of the Hardest Survival Games!" and it was a SMH moment as to what he does with the Spartan Mod. We can only hope Ubiflop never sees it!!
I don’t understand what does he do?
@@GmoneyMozart He continues to play GR as a arcade-style shooter, using a controller.
@@micoma49lol ya at this point if you’re on pc and not playing with soartan realsim mod it’s an L imo. Especially big content creators who can spread the message. But I don’t really know Willy b so he might just have fun simple content and doesn’t stress about making ghost recon great again. 🕺🏻
@@GmoneyMozart Certainly agree regarding if one is a PC gamer and wish to fire up Breakpoint, there's only one way to get the most challenge from it.
I like Fry’s content, but I don’t take his opinions seriously for most things as he is mostly a multiplayer gamer and he just has different priorities.
For Milsim games, I want immersion
I hear that.
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