The Craziest Start to a Race I Have EVER Seen | Tour de France 2023 Stage 12
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- Lanterne Rouge presents highlights of Tour de France 2023 Stage 12.
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ITV4 started their highlights coverage tonight by saying “it was a chaotic start to the stage, if we tried to detail all of the breaks we’d have to dedicate half of the show to it”. Thank you for dedicating half of your episode to it, well worth the watch!
weird stage where the first 50k were way more entertaining than the last 50k.
i watched from the start, thought "omg this is gonna be the most insane stage ever" then turned it off when izagirre crossed the last climb cuz they weren't gonna bring him back and there was no GC action
@scpython1you continue to have bad takes. Kudos.
It happens often that the start is more interesting than the rest of the stage. We just didn't get to see that since the last few years. Thankfully we have full coverage of all the Grand Tours nowadays.
I wouldnt say its weird. I make a habit of watching the start of stages. Sure, sometimes a group goes early and I can turn back on later, but sometimes you get chaos like this :)
Quicker than gcn extended highlights, thats what we like!
I tuned in late and was in absolute shock at the state of the peloton
At several points there were more riders in the break than in the peloton
I tuned in at the start and was in absolute shock at the state of the peloton when I tuned in
@@scpython1 JV is the strongest team, they can afford to race harder than everyone else.
We are all disappointed that AG2R working to protect a top 15 GC position did not work out :(
I have no idea what this team is doing 😂
Oliver Naesen said it was to defend their position in the team classification in an interview with the Belgian press.
I think it was just to get the sponsors some exposure since they’re the most blah team on tour
@@mattiarubio3240far from it astana kazakhstan??😂they never even on the screen
Someone ( I can't recall who) had had a theory that AG2R were chasing down Pinot, just because he's on a rival French team.
A lot of work to put this video together. A difficult stage to interpret and summarise. Top notch editing too. And let’s not forget those still images capturing the moments perfectly. Easily my favourite channel on YT
Uno X are really impressing! Halland Johannessen being 2nd in the climbing, 5th today, 3rd behind Pogacar and Vingegaard earlier in the Tour!
Overall so many good stages so far that could have been boring
Jumbo did what they did b c of fear that pogacar wd win 8 bonus secs top of last climb
This gc race down to secs in Paris
If at start of Paris stage the difference is 5 secs is last stage full on racing? No promenade? Does Paris stage have time bonuses at finish line?
Where are time bonuses stage 13? For the time difference tomorrow b t pogacar and vingegaard likely tiny, so bonuses matter.
Stage 13 short k, favors p
Weather report needed please. Heat favors v. But Pogacar perhaps did heat training to prep for tour. P seems better in heat this yr
Time bonuses cd mean who wins gc. They’re about equal tt
Groupama inadvertently rotating to a 2 leader GC strategy with 2 in the top 10 is probably the best outcome they could hope for now
Aren't stage wins way better both for publicity and UCI points?
Those 795's are 👌👌
One of the most beautiful bikes out there right now 🤌🏽🤌🏽
How Patrick figured which of the 10,000 highlights to use in an 8' video? TH-cam legend
ASO helps with the preselection..
Wout is Peter Sagan 2.0. Nobody want to go on a breakaway with him. Why bother when he will always beat you at the end.
Exactly
Urban myths... he hasn't won for 1 year or more. He is amazingly strong (THE strongest) but his strategies are the worst I've ever seen. Non sense.
@@mondociaociaolast time he won a tour de France stage was 23 july 2022, thats not more than 1 year
Peter Sagan had a far better race strategy when he was at the top than WVA ever has, Wout is like a headless chicken in this tour, has been in a lot of breakaways and ended up getting dropped.
@@doommonger7784 (the strongest) headless chicken! 😄😄😄 Perfect definition.
"a bit of a truck" absolutely top tier commentary 👏😄
It's so fun seeing these successful breakaways. I'm so glad cycling has become so unpredictable.
I love the battles between these two!
Very smart of Neilson to pull the ripcord in the first 20k based on what was going on up front. I think MVDP and WVA have both been victims of their own strengths in this tour. They don't employ enough guile, don't show enough weakness, and stick out like sore thumbs, waiting to get isolated and attacked. Maybe solo strategies work in CX, but not on long, hot tour stages. No matter how strong your legs. Even so, I find it more exciting to see surprise and variety in the stage winners' list.
I had the same thought about those 2, victims of their own strength. I'm just a viewer and most days I turn on the tv wondering "What are Wout van Aert and MVDP doing today?" so I can only imagine how close their actual in-race competitors monitor them.
Very well said. The old playbook needs to be thrown away
this is such refreshing racing. TdF in the Wiggins/Froome years was so dull
Well, you're comparing Sky/Ineos to Lampre/UAE and Rabbobank/Jumbo - MFers couldn't handle a shopping cart
PINOT into the TOP TEN 😍😍😍 (I'm Italian but I adore this guy, he would have deserved a lot more from the cyclist). For the rest, a lot of chaos but in substance nothing really significant.
yes, I think if he wasn't injured he would have won the 2019 tdf
UAE's DS was probably telling Soler to ask the AG2R guys what they were doing for the next season of Unchained.
Excellent day for UAE with Benoot, Aert and Ving all putting in wayyy too much energy before these big fews days coming in. Only Kuss managed to conserve energy
Excellent description of the stage - better than most TV commentators.
Agreed - Every time
Agreed!
Your analysis is top drawer mate.
Thanks! It is coverage on a stage like this where your analysis is so helpful. I watch every post and am grateful.
Jesuschrist, moneybags
I thought Jonas was on the conservative side in terms of GC riders but he is also a madman like Tadej. I am loving it.
I hope he becomes madder, or Tadej's gonna take that jersey away from him.
Good stuff! Thanks!
A lot of great work in this one!
Great commentary and video
Top analysis as per 👏
amazing analysis of why a breakaway forms and how it forms.
Cofidis ride that super smart. Martin marking those last 20km were perfect!
Martin was so so good. G2 would have been way different, and more effective, if he hadnt been there
I was entertained by that stage. 100/100
Nice work with the podium spot Matteo!!
This is what happens when all the team directors say “let’s get in the breakaway”.
Nice summary!
Superb content
Fantastic
Your recaps are excellents! Thanks for the content 👍🏼
this tour is real interesting.. actual 'racing' almost every stage so far :)
Victor is impressing the hell out of me.
Well, he's no longer The Hour Guy and man's gotta eat 😂
Mads Pedersen said he did an avarage of 385 watts for the fist 1,5 hours!🥵🥵
What the fuck
I am in Southern Ontario with massive air pressure at 120 meters and winds near the lakes pushing 25 km hr with 20 km cross winds, you can barely get away with 40mm wheels on a 7 kg bike. At 180lbs I am being tossed literally to the ground, anyone claiming anything over 30km hr solo speeds is selling you snake oil here. I grew up in Europe and cycling there is a joke compared to the crap weather here specially in the low flats here were your speeds are severely limited ( winds near lakes, crap roads that would scare the crap out of those high end bikes, cars everywhere). Grew up in the mountains in Southern Europe so much easier and faster riding bikes there.
@@danfuerthgillis4483who asked? But good for you i guess
Clap…..clap…….clap
@@erzhaider Bad for me is more like it battling these winds pushing 300 watts ( and the usual battle with 500 watt scooters) LMAO!!
Back in the day, you’d see someone like Yaroslav Popovich be able to solo from mile 5 on this type of stage because no one was really interested in cooking themselves chasing breaks or creating their own breaks.
Yea the group mindset is far more visible these days
We might never ever see a flag-to-flag solo ever again
It would be nice if Roglic was there to mess up the stage more.
yea why not.. eh?
Nice, very nice
Combat evolving
Gutted for both MVDP and WvA. MVDP managed to get to the breakaway, but it was too much, WvA would have matched Izaguirre on that climb, but nobody wants to go in a breakaway with him...
Also for Mattheo Jorgensen, he did so much work today and didn't get rewarded. Especially at the end, nobody in the group was relaying or putting any work in to try and catch up and win the stage except for him and the jumbo guy. And then after trying to attack like 10 times he finally broke away with another rider (who never did a single relay at the last 20k), and then got out sprinted by him and lost 2nd place.
WVA is finding out what Sagan Syndrome is all about.
Why are you gutted for those two? any more than any other rider, both think they are a modern day Peter Sagan and failing when it comes to this years TDF.
@@doommonger7784they’ve become riders that even though they don’t race for GC everybody marks and blocks - ah WvA is in the breakaway? Yeah let’s not even go then, save energy for next race, ah WvA looks decent before a sprint finish? Let’s not give him any wheel, keep him isolated and attack in a proper sprint finish that we’ll lose to alpecin anyway - sound good? Yeah sound good, let’s lose to alpecin
I’m exaggerating OF COURSE but they legit keep him marked, isolated and attack him as if he was a GC contender on every stage where he could try this year.. it’s quite funny to watch how much respect is given and so far it’s worked (for some teams anyway)
@@johnkirk1772 I will give WvA one thing in this stage, he managed to do knock Pickcock off his bike earlier in the stage. At least Pickcock managed to finish up in the yellow jersey group 7 mins ahead of WvA.
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Ineos and AG2R kept Jumbo out of the wind for like half the stage lol. Only helps jonas going forward.
Ineos & AG2R don't have a fight with Jumbo. Their fight is with the rest of the top ten.
I hope Jonas didn't work too hard today. Big mountain tomorrow
Jonas did a ton of work. Not sure why. Seemed really odd.
@@throxidk why tf he is riding like a pannicking headless amateur.he literally just lost the tour for himself.pogi is gonna hit.him.very hard cuz that kid is calm cool and collected compared to last year where he was doing the same as jonas.
@@jjlove2725 I think Pogi coming into form has the whole JV team a bit rattled. Twice Jonas burned his whole team to deliver him to the final climb and Pogi just outclassed him at the end. He needs someone up the road and to be able to drop Pogi in a bridge across.
Also worth noting that when he dropped Pogi in the first mountain, it was mostly because Pogi got stuck out of position and caught behind traffic. By the time he could react, Jonas already had 20m.
Pinot is going to get smoked tomorrow…😢😂
I don’t want him to but yeahhhh he needs a miracle to stay top 10
Well done to cofidus.
Jorgenson needs a victory!
No participation prizes in the TdF, he's gotta race to win.
True, cus it's starting to look like he is gonna pull a Derek Gee from this years Giro. Hope he takes one soon.
@@ktakashismith I mean there literally is. They do race for secondary positions which have prize money.
But I do get your point.
Thank you from Truckee California
Help ? He was going for a bottle
Telecom would never have accepted all this disorder. How ever it sure is more thrilling to watch Le Tour today and I have no Idea what would happen on next stage. It must be insanely hard to cycle this Year.
We're just seeing that NeoLampre and NeoRabbobank are just the old Lampre and Rabbobank and neither can manage a GC 🤦🏻♂️
That’s what I thought. In the old days one of the big teams would have taken 3 of their rouleurs and just put a 55kph average into this stages first 100km to shut everyone up. Then the rest would have been insanely slow because everyone would be quiet and then a sprint 😂😂😂
Kudos to Ion Izagirre and Cofidis for a great victory 🏆❤
Jonas is in panic mode !!!
Would be cool if every rider had there watts and speed displayed.
UAE just being cheeky and increased the cortisol levels of JV. Well see if it works tomorrow.
Jonas panicking 😂
I hope you're making some coin from these videos. Pretty much the best Tour clips and commentary, awesome job.
Also what I don't understand is the failure to co-operate of the chasers behind Izaguirre, like what's wrong with them lol. You work together, you have a chance to win, you don't - congrats, you can fight for 2nd place lol
Have you ever owned cats and tried herding them? That’s what it’s like getting WT level cyclists to cooperate
You work together, you cook yourself, you only get 7th. Or get 2nd
G. Martin must have been loving it
The mistake is overestimating VDP, which keeps happening. When VDP covered Izaguirre everyone relaxed. It wasn't the chase that doomed them, it was the failure to react right away, which happened because VDP reacted, which should have been considered as no reaction.
Jonas and jumbo are riding like Tadej is already in yellow. It's either a great bluff, or Jonas really isn't confident about holding off the Pog in the mountains.
My guess is Vingegaard got sick after his great ride, now has been recovering and shit will be fun till the end
The PCS live stats were very misleading today. For a very long time it grossly misrepresented who was actually in the yellow jersey group. Kept showing like 8 riders when it had actually reformed into a big group behind the final breakaway.
Vingegarrd spent a lot of energy today, gonna pay tomorrow 😂
? lmao
Terbaik la poggy
btw tiesj you can totally pronounce as teesh
Jozzz
The start of this stage was great 😂 I just wish WVA could've snuck in the break somehow. Maybe my daughter could send him a harry potter invisibility cloak 🤔
More of a casual watcher, but what classifies as a “peloton”? Like how could the peloton technically only be 10 or even less riders?
Typically just the big group that's important
group with the GC riders (Vingegaard, Pogacar, Hindley, Rodriguez were in this group)
I suppose it's something like the front group of riders that aren't doing some sort of breakaway/attack. Everyone in front of the peleton is either a satelite that waits there for a teammate to attack, closes the gap to him and then do some work to drag him along to make his attack a bit easier or a rider that is trying to win the stage.
When all the riders begin the stage together, that's the peloton. As the group splits up, you might have a breakaway with say 20 riders (which is a big break), and then the peloton which is wherever the largest group is on the road at any given time. You can also have things like the "yellow jersey" group if they happen to get separated from the pack.
@@TheSaturnV Yeah basically what I tried to say but better. Nicely put.
it was a mess and chaos ! love the pull aways but nothing good to say about the yellow jersey.
Why? His job as day like to day are either keeping Pogacar´s wheel or attack to take further time. As the stage started it would have made no sense to attack the attacking with a billion kilometres home and many stages to follow. He followed Pogacar and actually did try late to see if he could steal a little time when he were closer to the finish and apparently felt fine. So clever and calculated as it are needed to win a TdF plus of course not having any critical days of. A tactic he certainly always have to consider. If not you do not win TdF!
Van aert has so much potential to be a leader, I have the impression that vingegaard and Him are going to lose out because of that, they're no longer compatible.
Every year the same comments. Can Aert wouldn’t be at the tour if he didn’t agree to work for Vingegaard whenever requested. They said it 100 times already.
No, they're good friends and team mates. Wout knows he is here to support Jonas. If Wout wanted to be the leader, he could go somewhere else.
Skjelmose was destroyed by the GC show. And Alaphilippe destroyed himself in the process of constantly trying to get back in contention.
Could it be that JV is trying to beat Pogi on fatigue resistance? That might be somewhat underdeveloped given his buildup. Even though Jonas will get tired too, it might be benificial to make a stage hard before some bigger mountain stages.
Pogacar hates high pace for long periods of time, it's how he died last year in the Granon stage
I think that's precisely what they're doing. The high pace affects everyone and that's when Jonas pulls ahead. Pogi will keep winning smal victories of 15-30 seconds while Jonas needs those big drops where he gains multiple minutes on Pog. That can only be achieved with high paces.
Roido dacycle. Lets go!!!
Lets get this straight. Vingegard cant bridge a gap of 5 seconds in the last km for WVA to save energy ahead of 2 flat stages. But today he has energy to start bridging gaps on Yates, 100km from the finish, ahead of 3 killing mountain stages...
Perhaps he just had a bad day and is feeling much better now?
Because hes riding like a headless chicken amateur that is making the same mistakes as pogi from last year. Hes done for and just lost the tour for himself.pogi is gonna hit him very hard.
@@jjlove2725 Nope, delusional. He'll drop Tadej on the big climbs like he always does and gain 2-3 minutes in a single race. Jonas is a machine, he'll just sleep tonight and recover that energy.
Looks like UAE is actually starting to man mark Jumbo 😄 Called that they need to start doing it a week age, but didn't actually believe they would do it
Craziest start : Tour 2021 stage 7 (250km, almost an easy Ardennes classics) : HUGE brakeway with yellow jersey MVDP, his BFF WVA, green jersey Cavendish, Primetime Asgreen, Mahoric and Stuyven, old Nibali. Probably other big names i don't remember.
The day i turned from "le Tour is the most important race" to "spring is the heart and soul of cyclism"
Ahh Cofidis, a French win on Basque soil and a Basque win on French soil. Also the last 4 spanish stage wins are all Basque riders :D
Around 15-20 years ago, 90% of Spain decided that any kid with athletic talent should be a football player. Oddly enough, Basque kids haven't showed up that much at the top level since - We're now suffering through that and I'm sure there's a bunch of Spanish Remcos that never got away from kicking a ball around 😓
why are the stages so chaotic this year?
Medium mountain stages are the most spectacular
This commentary is like reading sentences without any full stops
This was not designed to be a breakaway stage at all lol
You're wrong, Luisito - This stage was designed for GC contenders to ignore while people fought for a breakaway win. Only way to have a large sprint finish is for some team to have a very good climber-sprinter and no GC options (IDK why Alpecin didn't try with MvdP)
Van der Poole as Mountain rider!!??
Well He exploded trying to keep
Izaguirres wheel total grazy stage.
Skelmose not allowed to go, but Mads
Pedersen? 😜🔝❤️
Why did the race commissaire get angry at the director sportiff of AG2R?
amador going nuts lately
Clement Berthet stage win tomorrow hopefully on Bastille Day. If not, then Tadej goes nuclear on Colombier playground
Peloton is gonna go superslow before the final climb, breakaway will win
Sunday we could get a Jonas/Tadej win
How to pronounce Vingegaard: th-cam.com/video/jdkicaXT0_s/w-d-xo.html
Poor Rodriguez, he has a teammate that only tries to stab him in the back...
Tommy SuckCock has always been a weasel, IDK how he has fans 🤦🏻♂️
pinot and alaphilippe are over tbh, pinot has been for a while
Agreed on Alaphilippe. Pinot is actually riding quite well this year.
@@louistimmer6879 Alaphilippe can come back but Pinot can't do much other than climbing.
He cannot seem to get aero so he will never perform on the flat.
@@louistimmer6879 if you're talking about giro, it was one of the worst giro ever, if remco hadn't abandoned and been trhere to attack, pinot would have not even been top 10 again, that was a rly and passive giro
They were both in front during a very very very sélective breakaway during the biggest race on the planet. They are not at their Peak but they are defenetly not finish.
time to play minecraft
The break forming. If he's in, I'm in: th-cam.com/video/hf_7xAX_fBE/w-d-xo.html
I feel like WVA last year would have gotten away by himself last tour
le Tour de France has lost his soul long ago...
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I love jonas but the way he has been riding is pure stupid and amateur mistakes and it will cost him big time he just lost the tour for himself.pogacar is so cool and calm and collected he will strike and strike hard.
Pogacar is so cool and collected that he was sprinting for 15th place today and 2 days ago he was dropping his own teammates while personally trying to bridge the gap to the breakaway. Admit it, they are both madmen.
Tour De E.P.O.
I can't believe sheep still wearing masks. Even though there is no more pandemic. Just speechless.....
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