Was Jonas Vingegaard Wrong for Doing THIS? | Vuelta a Espana 2023 Stage 16
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Pretty crazy that Jumbo have such a grip on this race that the other teams genuinely look to the other Jumbo GC riders to ride down Vingegaard
kinda sad actually
„Ketone“ wins…
@@pb4055basel I think they are taking baby cow milk i've seen investigation on this
By crazy you mean terrible for the sport.
@@luckyspursterrible If it happens every grand tour yeah. But I doubt it will
Used to babysit Seppy here in Durango…so yeah, hard stage to watch however, Sepp more than anyone knows pro cyclist’s legs (including his own especially in his 3rd GT of the year!) can blow at any time. No gifts. Stack the podium potential as you’re able.
That's some high quality babysitting
There is a difference between ‘May best Legs win’ and attacking a teammate in red. Sepp needs to be aggressive if he wants red. Sepp could have gone w Jonás but team tactics dictate that he wait for other teams to follow first. Jonas didn’t play from the same book today.
Sepp couldn’t have gone w Jonas. He couldn’t even go with Rog, that’s why Rog sat up to ride in with him. I would imagine their plan was to go 1-2-3 like they did on the previous stage. They did almost the exact same thing then. The only difference was Kuss was better that stage.
@@KeithNorris17Kuss could't follow Roglic, Mas, Ayuso and barely finished in the wheels of Caruso. Possibly not his best day and certainly not able to go with Jonas
@@KeithNorris17 You guys are talking out of your asses - Jonas asked Kuss and Pog before going for the stage, both said go for it.
This stage was perfect for TJV, this means if Kuss is not able to follow Mas or Ayuso tomorrow, Jonas will win la Vuelta. It‘s up to Kuss now and i also think that Jonas will let Kuss win gc if it doesn‘t risk winning la vuelta von TJV
That's assuming Mas and/or Ayuso will actually attack. If they don't, will Jonas and/or Primos attack Kuss? I can understand responding to Mas or Ayuso. But attacking Kuss himself (like today) just does not look good for Jumbo. Jumbo will still win though.
@@armaniusmaximusJumbo still win so i don t see the problem. Cycling Is a team sport but people have also their own interest and why jonas should let his teammate win when he clearly has the legs and he s the best in Mountain
@@armaniusmaximus there is the option that they agreed on the team that the best man should win. That doesnt seem unfair to me.
But TJV did not attack Kuss today. Jonas attacked and gained a safety margin on Ayuso and Mas of 1 minute. Be mentally ill elsewhere@@armaniusmaximus
@@armaniusmaximusthis was a good day for TJV. GC gaps back to 4th position were maintained or improved. They have more options available should one of them falter.
it wouldn't surprise me if JV are genuinely going for a Kuss GC win, but wanted to put Vingegaard (and maybe Roglic if his legs had been better) as close to Kuss as possible in case he cracks on one of the last two mountain stages.
Where do you see bad legs of Roglic? He was not attacking his teammate, he tried to go off because what Jonas did was not agreed, but when he saw that Kuss is in trouble and Mas and Ayuso closing, he backed of.
Jonas is disrupting the team, even do not know why he joined Vuelta squad late and surprisingly? Roglic with the team support and some luck not crashing would have easily won this years Vuelta.
Maybe he should change the tactics and definitely he must change a Team!
@@jernejp7579 Jonas' participation was agreed within the team long before they announced it. Also, how do you know what was agreed in the team? Jonas asked before attacking and was given the go-ahead. Interesting how you think you know what goes on at the strategy meetings of Jumbo Visma...
Jonas joined the Vuelta squad in November of 2022, wouldn't say that's late..@@jernejp7579
I'd say no, Sepp only lost a few seconds to Ayuso and the team gained many more over their opponents
I agree. Pls Jonas win the Vuelta, so Kuss goes to uae. Cmon Jonas you can do it. Btw now Kuss knows how Pog feels like when he's up against Jumbo
To be honest, who cares about gaining time on their non-existent opponents.
This is just attacking Kuss at this stage.
@@luckyspurs It's pretty clear the team dreams of 1st 2nd and 3rd place, which would be a huge statement. I doubt they are attacking Kuss for the 1st spot, if anything I think they talked about whomever had the better legs should go win for Van Hooydonck
@@lostcause78 in our media it was said it was Jonas decisions to attack, not agreed... you can see how J excuses himself to Sepp... but he obviously 'forgot' Primož. what he did to Primož is also disgusting.
@@elcapo6067 LOL. I don't say things like that out loud but I would love for Kuss to go to UAE. I doubt Pogacar would mind Soler and Kuss dominating a GT and he might even join the team effort just for sport. Pogacar races for joy, not ego gratification.
I understood everything you've explained and really just hope Kuss can win the Vuelta for all his sacrifices and efforts done for the other 2 Grand Tour winners this year
In light of the Nathan Van Hooydonck news it makes more sense. Sounds like they didn't know if he would make it when they started the stage.
Yeah, this one needs to be higher up. Great to hear it's not as bad as originally thought!
the red lantern guy didn't know this? poor reporter then.
Wtf does that have to do with how Jumbo raced the stage?
@@RB-xv4siit is vingegaards best friend, he said today
@@RB-xv4siJonas said after the stage, he wanted to win the stage for his best friend. So his strategy was to win regardless of Roglic and Kuss
As a dane I hope that Kuss wins so we can celebrate his work in the team. Even tho it is still nice to see JV winning
Meh.. This is pro cycling, not a charity event where everything is planned beforehand. May the best and strongest man win. Halløj from another Dane.
JV is back up. Kuss deserves this for TDF this year alone.
TJV so strong we might end up seeing some team orders like F1
Also Dane here, go GC Kuss
@@JC-ib3cp Kuss literally showed weakness today. And so the race evolves, why would anyone pay to watch this if everything was planned beforehand?
It was absolutely correct. Forcing the other teams to chase (which they couldn't, but that was unknown)
Attacking early is always a risk, and Vingegaard took that risk (again) for his team. It paid off for Vingegaard, again.
Also, as much as I want Kuss to win, not trying to secure every podium spot possible is pure idiocy. You fight hard for a 3rd place in a grand tour., If you can increase the gap to 4th, without risking your 1st place, you need to do it.
Also, this is a grand tour stage. You have to try to win it. You are competing professionally, there is no way you shouldn't fight for both stages and podium, and do so with ferocity.
… but this could hurt the team dynamics within thr squad, don’t you think? I disagree, the other teams were the ones in need of time gains, so it would have been easier to defend and hold back for tomorrow? I clearly don’t see how this move will make sense for what’s coming? So now the teams will wait and see who cracks and then we see the whole race blow up between team mates? This is not good for the sport!
wait. was this also the concern last tdf 2022 when wout choose to go ahead instead of waiting for his team? I think they are professional enough to not be hurt given that WVA did this alot @@lazlo2511
Are you dumb? Jonas gaining one minute on Ayuso and Mas with Kuss only losing 5 on a day where he was bad is superb@@lazlo2511
That is a very fair comment and I appreciate the sentiment about professional racers needing to compete with ferocity. I also agree that their strategy was probably focused on securing podium places over other contenders.
@@alphawhiskeymc agree. Given the fact that kuss might (hopefully not) crack down this coming stages. This is like straight up "not putting all your eggs in a single basket"
You have to look at the gaps to kind of see the logic. Before the stage Ayuso is 2:37 back from the top (Kuss), and 1 minute back from 2nd (Roglic). After the stage, 2:33 from the top (Kuss), but look, now he's 2 mins back from Vingegaard in 2nd. The chance that he can get 2 mins plus on TWO Jumbos is very unlikely now. The gap from Aysuo to 3rd also slighly upticked from 52 sec to 1 min.
I think this was planned. If Ayuso isn't certain he can catch Vingegaard, it makes sense for him to mark Roglič and Kuss. The problem for UAE is that I am fairly certain this was planned all along, and tomorrow they're going to send EITHER Kuss--to win on his birthday--OR Roglič ahead, whoever feels ready to make a jump and won't be marked, with Kuss being the least likely to b marked since Roglič is now the most "vulnerable" one on GC for Ayuso to take third place on the podium. And if Kuss cannot make the jump, the same thing happens as today--Roglič takes a minute on Ayuso while Kuss maybe loses a few seconds, cementing even more the 1-2-3 placement of Jumbo with Kuss on top. For his birthday. See, I think both Kuss and Roglič were not putting in 100% today and on Saturday, to wait for l'Angliru. Jonas is probably the closest to Hooydonck, so probably asked for this. I honestly think Jonas and Primož both want Sepp to win, but if they can protect Kuss' place in first, WHILE taking stages and gaining time on Ayuso, why not? The only person I think capable of wrecking this plan is Evenepoel. I definitely don't see a Jumbo leader stealing the red jersey on Sepp's BIRTHDAY!
100% agreed!
We will see
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Yeah, haha. I think you underestimate the narcissism of both of Sepp’s GT-winning teammates…although in fairness, there is no teamwork on the Angliru itself..maybe leading up to it..but that climb is just too steep, so it’s every man for himself on it. All the “strategy” happens before that climb.
thinking the same. tomorrow primoz will attack and sepp with Jonas glued to ayuso wheel. then they will have great buffer over ayuso and the other GC contender
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Jonas gained a lot of respect from me today. I love Sepp, and would like to see him win stuff, but this idea of gifting a GT GC is obscene to me. By doing what he did today he showed the Vuelta, the sport, and his rivals the proper level of respect. It's beneath a great champion to soft-pedal a grand tour just to award it to some loyal domestique, and it would greatly devalue the Vuelta. Now, he's making sure that whoever wins, even if it turns out to be Sepp, will have no choice but to deserve it. This is what true elite sports is all about.
I have seen sepp hold back to help a struggling roglic many times. It’s a team sport, it’s not obscene for riders to help their teammate who has the largest lead over their rivals. Kuss isn’t just some domestique, he is one of the best climbers in the world and would be a GC leader if he weren’t on the most stacked team in the pro peloton. Lest you forget, he earned that jersey by riding for it, he was never gifted it. Ask Movistar how it works out in the long run when a team makes a habit of attacking each other and riding with ego instead of as a team
@@milescameron8681 bingo the real damage is the incoming hardship keeping all 3 happy in the same bus.
@jmsytbe - SERIOUSLY, you do understand that cycling is a TEAM sport, also that you NEVER chase a teammate - what a day it would have been if when Jonas attacked, Sepp chased him & they both blew up and lost time to the others in the field - to give respect to a selfish rider like Jonas and say that Sepp is soft-peddling says that you don't understand the sport as the goal of the TEAM is to win - my hope now is for Jonas to get a mechanical on a decisive final climb, lose time & his overall position - it's call KARMA
@@milescameron8681Sep has helped struggling Rog in certain circumstances because it's understood that Rog is the faster rider overall. Jonas seems to be coming on form. He's the faster rider. As cool as it would be to have three different grand tour winners, I would like it to be earned with all putting it out on the line. This is like F1 where the constructor's championship is already won. Let the drivers drive
the problem is that sepp is expected to do things that roglic, and jonas aren't. sepp is never REALLY allowed to just ride off the front if he's not the GC guy, even if he's feeling strong. now all of a sudden sepp is the gv guy, and no one is obligated to ride for him? seems blatantly ridiculous to me.
Jonas made the right move, there are no gifts in pro cycling, and he is the strongest rider in the race. Learning about his stomach ailment early on in the race makes sense now seeing his tepid start. Now that he is feeling better, he will absolutely dominate.
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No he did not. He made a jerk move, coz lance Vingeroid is not a team player, although without this team he is nothing. And always some "excuse" oh i did it for Von H. oh i did it for my grandmother, oh i did ut for my second uncles bithday, at least have a face and tell it like it is..
Roglic rides for Sepp as seen today he could easly follow that pathethic hiena of lance vingeroid... but he waited to pull Kuss up until sepp told him to move on... i cant despise this man more from today on...
@@ellendilregent1008 i agreee sooo much with all you've written
@@ellendilregent1008 That’s a bit of a childish tantrum over a team situation you literally know NOTHING about, don’t you think? Moreover, calling people names and throwing around baseless accusations is really bad form.
@@ellendilregent1008 You're saying he's not a team player cause he's the strongest of the bunch lol? A grand tour is not a charity. Of course, it would be great if Kuss won, but then he should be able to follow the others.. If he had followed Jonas today there wouldn't even be a discussion.
But it's great to see how good you are at overanalyzing things my friend. Having the desire to win a stage shouldn't be seen as a bad thing, and even less when you don't know if you're best friend is going to live or not.. Grow up
Nice to see Poels being up there again, taking his great shape from from the Tour with his stage win!
Maybe he should join Jumbo and ride for GC.
Pretty much anyone can these days. van Aert will be winning Giro's next.
Ineos miss him I feel.
"I was back on my tour level today, maybe even better, I was flying in the final" - from an interview from danish TV. If thats true, there is no way he should wait for anyone!
Leader and stage winner on Angliru tomorrow
Kuss has his birthday tomorrow. Maybe they want to get him the stage if he has the legs. @@sergimarch8874
Highly suspicious that he had muted results (for his standards) in the Vuelta up until now and then magically in the third week of two prior weeks of balls-out racing, he has his TdF form. That is not how the human body works. That’s how doping works.
@@RB-xv4si He had a stomach bug the first week. Even had to do a Domoulin.
@@marius3552 it’s just not how the human body works. Not even for the most gifted humans on earth. Im sure you know the dopers always have to come up with some sort of explanation for their perfectly-timed performance increase.
Kuss, Rog and Ving are all professionals! They ride to a plan, with options within it!
I think their strategy is always attacking with person in 3rd place. Jonas attacked today so that he has a bigger lead on 4th place so tomorrow he can look after Seppy while Roglic will attack and battle Remco for stage. Now Jonas can help Kuss if
kuss struggles a little tomorrow as jonas is not at risk of dropping off podium. I predict Rogla or Remco wins tomorrow, probably Remco as he has freshest legs after taking it so easy today.
Tomorrows stage is literally tailor made for a rider like Vingegaard though
Yep, you got it!
Haha. There is no helping a teammate on the Angliru. It’s way too steep for any drafting.
@@phillipjrgensen1024 Sepp as well. He is not as good on the shorter climbs and is better on the longer steep climbs. Tomorrow should be interesting.
… let’s see, but we should see a Spanish rider crest in first place!
Let the Bees sting each other on this monster stage. Any birthday gifts allowed? 😂😂😂
Of course Vingegaard wants to win. That's why he's in the Vuelta. It’s a team sport - but the team should back the strongest rider 😊 It would be crazy to give away a victory. If Sepp Kuss is the strongest rider, I really hope he keeps the red Jersey - but Sepp Kuss hasn't "given anything up"- it’s been his job to help them. He began the Vuelta having that job. They have given him a lot of advice, but neither Roglic or Vingegaard has the role of a helper - and they shouldn’t have at the height of their career. If Sepp Kuss can rise to become a strong GC rider, then that’s amazing - but then he needs other riders to help him - not two of the best GC riders in the world, that suddenly has to compromise their own talent like that - And Sepp Kuss would agree with that! He doesn't want a charity win!
Very good points Linnea352
100%
And yet riders drop out of breaks to help pace their leaders all the time.
@@thisishowthetruthdies684 - Yes. Their leaders. That's how a team's structure is. Leaders and helpers. And Roglic and Vingegaard began the Vuelta as teamleaders - and Jumbo Visma has said the whole time that Vingegaard would be stronger in the last week.
I legitimately do not understand how you or anyone not closely related to the riders or the team can say with such apparent certainty Vingegaard wants to win this race at the expense of Kuss' lead or that Kuss would prefer Vingegaard to win over his own success. Who are you to know what goes through their heads? How can you prove that Jonas' attack was with the goal of taking the red jersey of his teammate's shoulders? Why couldn't it just be that Jonas wanted to dedicate a win to his teammate and friend NvH who was (and still is I think) hospitalized, decided to ask the team car if he could do so, got an answer from the DS somewhere along the lines of 'Sure, as long as Kuss stays in red', and did just that? I'm not claiming this definitely happened either, it is just an example to show that we don't know what goes on behind the scenes, and that today's racing display does in no way prove or disprove that Jonas or Roglic want the win for themselves, or that Kuss would be happier with the win going to one of his teammates instead of to himself, or who TJV's plan A, B or C to win the race is. We can speculate, but we are in no position to offer a definitive explanation of what their plan is, or who they are mainly backing to win.
I love Lanterne Rouge analysis! You two get it so right! We can't know how the riders are being coached or how they feel in the moment. Today, Jumbo did what worked! Hopefully saving some powder for the next two stages. They can hardly go wrong with three at the top. It would be very special to have Sepp win, but having Primoz or Jonas win a second grand tour would be special, too.
“I don’t want to win this Vuelta as a gift, that is not sport. They know what I’ve done for them, but they’re also winners." Kuss
Unbelievable to me that they are going uphill and yet still can pull energy out of somewhere to sprint! I can't even walk up my stairs without my legs aching at the top!
Let me guess.. American?
Let alone get out of bed
@@RHeleniusYou don't do irony do you?
@@LarsRyeJeppesen Clearly you don't. White knight much?
@@RHelenius america's a continent not a country. also, don't be an asshole for no reason.
If what Jonas says is true, that he might be as good or better than during the tour, he will be able to demonstrate that by ripping through the GC on the Angliru tomorrow.
when you see the watts he did on the last climb i believe what he said
Attacking his own teammate? Again. Kuss is the only one ahead of him on GC
Again? He gained a saftey margin of 1 minute on Ayuso and Mas today so no attack on Kuss. Be mentally ill elsewhere@@ExplorinDoranRBrown
Either way, its good to see him feeling better after that first horrible week of severe stomach issues draining him.
@@ExplorinDoranRBrown Also, Jumbo Visma wants to see the triple crown. Rogljič won Giro, Jonas won the Tour and they want Kuss to win Vuelta. I hope Jonas doesn't go selfish mode and takes the GC from his teammate like this.
Kuss fan’s need to realise, that if Kuss didn’t ride for TJV, he would have already lost the red jersey earlier. But picking order, is for a reason, Jonas clear favorite to win the Vuelta with his current shape
It would be weird to see the red jersey working for jonas up the climbs, no?
sure but isn't there value in riding for Sepp knowing he's going to kill himself down the road for Jonas or Primoz
Whether that’s valid or not is completely irrelevant to the current situation. Kuss has been Vingegaard’s and Roglic’s best and most loyal mountain domestique for years - helping them both to win grand tours. Now he’s finally in a position to get a hugely deserved win for himself. ALL of his teammates should be supporting him until the finish. Vingegaard showed today that he is a greedy and selfish bastard.
Kuss not working for Jonas, Jonas attack alone and take time
@@RB-xv4si Spot on..... rubber faced wee shite using a thin excuse to go for it full gas(he could have eased up to take the stage easy but keep the gap to Kuss substantial still)....first for his daughter, now for his injured mate, who tomorrow?? Maybe he'll take the red jersey and dedicate the necessary win to his other best friend who he has heard has sadly lost the red jersey in the Vuelta....
Should Vingegaard limit himself to allow Kuss to not fall back and other GC-contenders to close the gap?? That’s nonsense. What if Kuss has a bad day and TJV loose 1.2.3. or even 1st place. Of course JV and PR has to be fully committed. It’s not a kindergarten.
Yeah, maybe Sepp should start having that attitude when JV and PR have the leaders jersey. Let’s see how long they would last.
sort of like how Wout Van Aert didn't limit himself on stages that favored his strengths to wi.......oh wait
if sepp has a bad day and jonas attacks they might lose 1,2,3 anyway. better to just ride it easy and leave the attacking to the weaker gc contenders and help sepp stay on if needed. if sepp has good legs it won't matter either way, they'll be able to secure all the podium spots.
@@zach6138 When was WVA a go-contender?
@@christofferjrgensen8387 he's a green jersey contender but had to sacrifice to help Jonas when he crashed or had mechanicals...Kuss is getting absolutely no support right now and he's still keeping the same padding ahead of all non-TJV GC riders
I think Jonas takes the stage, but i really hope that Kuss will stay in red.
Tomorrow I think Jonas gonna tale the red jersey
@@sirajosman5913I hope so
@@sirajosman5913tomorrow Jonas solidifies his place as the best Grand Tour cyclist in the world.
he could if his team mates would stop attacking him and be real teammates
@@timliscum2861so the best rider shouldn’t win?
Obviously Kuss seems to be okay with things. So I am not really worried about that. It wouldn't surprise me if Vingegaard help Kuss tomorrow. Having said that, if Kuss is to much out of energy, of course Vingegaard has to go for it tomorrow. Still would prefer Kuss to win gc in the end however.
I think it is not just about out of energy, I think he is simply not good enough to ride with Vingegaard to the top of Vingegaard (or Roglic) tries his best? The big tours are decided on insane mountains and that is not Kuss' strength. I do think Jumbo can gift him the red jersey if they want though as the rest of the field is so bad. We will see tomorrow.
Jonas had the legs for it and got the OK from the team car so I don't really see what the fuss is about - it's professional racing and TJM have been clear on their strategy for this Vuelta. It could be argued, though, that Primoz tried to make a gap for too long
The fuss is about some people (specifically: morons) think that Vingegaard and Roglic should potentially risk sacrificing their insanely good GC positions to help Kuss and increase his chances of winning, to repay Kuss for his work during the TdF and Giro.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Kuss winning the Vuelta, I really hope he has the legs for it tomorrow, but this mindset some people have it utterly delusional.
I don't get it.
You really believe the TJM management make this strategy in a vacuum? You can’t possibly be that naive. Their strategy is 100% determined by JV and PR. The DS may be giving instructions to the squad, sure. But JB and PR are telling team management how they want things. Believe that.
Got the Ok? He is their marquee GC rider. Jumbo want to win all the events and have the best all-around rider-- they want it all. Pogacar is still regarded as the best GC rider, but Jonas is knocking. Jumbo isn't overly concerned w getting Kuss a GC title, if he is struggling. Maybe he isn't there yet?
@@Hondarama Kuss is spent. Bloodbags?
There is no fuss. The video title simply asks a question to get the conversation going.
There are no angry Kuss fans. There are no fans who are mad at Jonas or at their team.
Can't hold back superstars, can't. They want to compete as they should. Let the best win, throw away the team strategy. Lions can't turn into Cats. It also makes the final week very interesting instead of very boring
Perfect tactic today (apart from Roglic keeping the pace when he knew Kuss was struggling) - Jonas gaining one minute on Ayuso and Mas with Kuss only losing 4 secs on a bad day is a dream scenario for tomorrow's stage.
People calling Jonas selfish are either new to cycling or have an IQ under 105 alongside an emotional brain without rationality.
I’m going to be super disappointed if Kuss does not win. If I was Kuss I’d shop around with some teams looking for a GC contender.
If I reckon correctly he's not interested in being a GC rider, as he is not interested in the spotlight/pressure that comes with it (I'm not completely sure though). However he might have gotten a taste for it now, and he sure looks like he could if given the chance!
Why as far as i know he said a couple times that he do not want to be a gc ridder. Ofc when it comes like this he goes for it. And ofc this Vuelta might have chanced that, but i dont understand all the fans pushing for it if its not what he want.
With him being such an integral part of Jumbo's GC wins, I wonder if he would actually get paid more for being a super domestique for Jumbo than doing GC for another team
He would have to accept a pay cut if he accepted a role as a leader for any team other than Ineos.
Very interesting to see the TJV ego politics in play here. JV appears to assume TJV is his team, PR trying to hang in there like a middle child fighting for attention and SK possibly pretending he isn’t too fussed … it could all become quite toxic
Kuss is a awesome rider, and yeah winning the vuelta would be awesome, even for Jonas and roglic he would owe them for life. But hes only in Red because he got 3 mins for free in the stage he won from the brake, if he was struggling today , tomorrow will be bad news for him, i Rly hope he can stay in the top 3 but unfortunately i don't see him winning, he even says it himself the strongest man should win, he don't want a Gift. And for Jumbo they have clearly stated they just wanna win, they don't care who and it makes sense for Jonas and Roglic to try and gain time on all the others even if that means closing the gab on Kuss.
I don’t see a world where he falls out of even the top 2. I do agree if Jonas and the team want to and Kuss hasn’t asked them to help him keep it then Jonas will take the jersey. He is simply the better rider.
Kuss didn't ge anything for free. He was in a group with 44 very strong riders and won the stage. He went faster up the Tourmalet than Vingegaard - had he not waited like the fine teammate he is, he would have caught Vingegaard.
Vingegaard is the strongest in the 3rd week. Expect him to win the Vuelta.
There's a good chance Jonas doesn't win his last two tours without Sepp, If Sepp loses this Vuelta he needs to entertain offers, specifically from UAE, let them buy out his contract...
what? No theres not. Jonas was miles ahead in the GC both times, sepp was awesome but its not like jonas wouldnt have won anyway.
@@RJMacReady1huh? Sepp Kuss was instrumental in Jonas's Tour wins.
Everyone knows that, especially Kuss and Jonas themselves.
I will be curious to see how Jumbo manages tomorrow...will it be every man for himself or as is usual will somebody suppress their ambitions for the sake of the team... who will be the lieutenant who will command glory
Jumbo greatly improved their position today, they now have two riders with two minutes on the UAE rider. Smart move.
Cycling is a funny sport when it comes down to team dynamics, if Jonas is the strongest rider overall and the most likely winner all things considered then I don't see the point in limiting him.
otoh, he gained back 2+ mins in 2 stages because he's in same team as the Red jersey
Why didn't Kuss attack today if he is Jumbos strongest?
There was no reason to attack when you can stay with your rivals and not lose time - the only reason you attack is when you're trying to gain time - when you take his teammates JV & PR out of the equation in 2nd & 3rd place - he has a great time advantage over 4th place back so he can conserve his legs and follow attacks - the question is why did JV attack for selfish reasons knowing his teammate & leader would not chase him & bring the others?
@@gmen1305Sepp failed to close the gap of Ayuso
@@gmen1305selfish reasons? Is the team in a better position today that yesterday, with 2 riders close to the victory instead of just 1? Yes. Would it have been worse if the whole peloton came to the finishline together and three JV riders lost the win to more explosive riders.. yes.
If kuss is soooo strong, he could have used Jonas as a stepping stone to victory..
@@nicmc83 Sepp lost 4 seconds today - 4 seconds - to the current 4th, 5th & 6th place riders - he is still up by over 2;30 minutes over 4/5/6th place with 2 mountain stages to go - they all could have finished at the same time today and been in the same position today as yesterday - Sepp is a loyal rider & knows not to chase a teammate - if Jonas is not selfish, then he has no reason to attack anymore this race - he can just follow Ayuso, Mas & Solars wheels and still win if Sepp crack - would you agree?
@@delightchinosengwa1431 - do you mean the whopping 4 seconds?
Everyone would love to see kuss winning the GC, cause of the work he has done for jonas and primoz earlier in the year, id love that too.
But still think the most deserving is the 1 with the best legs over the course of the 21 days.
And also remember this is the 3rd grand tour for him this year. He could break down anytime.
Jonas definetly did the right thing!!
Excellent analysis. I would find it useful if you added start and finish locations to the description. (just for the casual observer interested in where the race is in the pretty parts of Spain if they miss your starting dialogue).
The three Jumbo GC riders are on a historic path - no team has ever won all three podium spots in a grand tour. There are still five more stages to go, but we could be witnessing something incredible.
Kuss will crack tomorrow, perhaps if there was simething easier tgan Angliru he might have had some chance. Dude rode all three GTs this year and this is "one bridge too far" situation
There are Teams that did this and where even way more dominant its straight up false information bro. Kas Kaskol had 6 of the top 7 rider in the Vuelta 1966 for example.
Something a little fishy no?
@@thefirstk6331But 1966 cycling wasnt nearly as professional and competitive as nowadays.
@@julians5037 Thats not the point the comment said no team has ever won all 3 podium places in an grand tour and its just wrong.
Vingegaard went for stage victory. It's no-fault of his that the other teams din't want to chase...
If the goal was merely stage, he would attack with 2 km to go and not 4. He totally went for gains on CG....
They ride for Jumbo, not Team Kuss.
@@joaoreis2715 Vingegaard rarely wins through late attacks.
@@petedog9581remember that when Jonas needs Sepp at the Tour. Team Jonas can chase Tadej on his own. Or set his own pace up climbs.
i'm sure Grischa Niermann is very interested in you opinion on what they should or shouldn't do. @@2XFactor51
I once made the same mistake. "270 degree almost hairpin" 180 degree is the perfect hairpin. 270 degree is only possible on an incline, some highways use 270 degree turns.
No he wasn't but I guess Jumbo didn't expext that the others just don't chase at all and gift him a free minute lol this Vuelta is OVER
I agree, that was Strange to look at.
@@MrAntonBerg they have so given up on winning, they just don't care about one of the Jumbo guys winning another minute, as long as the other two gain nothing
if its very close between them they should help kuss get the win, but if vingegaard is flying and able to take several minutes he should do it, doesnt feel right to gift a victory if its not even close, and vingegaards specialty is third week of grand tours, he shouldnt be held back for that fact
Hasn’t Sepp “held himself back” countless times for the benefit of JV or PR?
@@RB-xv4si for what ? hes role was always to support others, because hes not as strong as JV.
@@jesperantonsen1605 congratulations for being stuck in the past and being blind to the current situation.
@@RB-xv4si Dude you make it sound like Sepp could win it all if it was not for him helping Roglic and Vingegaard. There is a reason why Roglic and Vingegaard are the leaders and Sepp in a supporting role on the team. Its a slap in the face for both roglic and vingegaard being told to gift someone the tour.
@@RB-xv4sicurrent situation is that JV is much stronger, but you want the weaker kuss to win, because he reached 1. Place first ?
Absolutely fair play from Jonas, if you’re out of domestiques and you can force other teams to pace in lieu it’s a win win
Of course not. Was Kuss wrong to take time on his sick captain on stage 6, of course not. I hope the best man wins whomever that might be:)
Balls.
That’s a stupid comment. If your captain is sick, you better hope you have an alternate plan and you better use it. And they did. Where things stand in today’s stage is different. Kuss is riding really well and is in a good position. He’s has been, for many years, Vingegaard’s and Roglic’s best and most loyal mountain domestique. They both owe Kuss all their support until the finish. Vingegaard is being a greedy, selfish bastard.
@@RB-xv4si They don't owe Kuss anything. They're following the team's plans all three of them. Kuss isn't the captain, just because he's in the lead. He has never been their best chance of winning and no gifts are given as far as the GC goes.
If you've followed TJV's comments, you'd have known this. Vingegaard is their superstar. They've always been hoping he could be the second only rider to do the Tour-Vuelta combo since the Vuelta was moved from early in the year to the later parts of the year. Only Froome has done this before. They also want Vingegaard to possibly be the only rider ever to have won all three GT in a single season in the future, so this is a stepping stone to doing that. Also, they kept on stressing that Vingegaard is the best rider in the world in week 3 of GT's and that Vingegaard would show that. He's doing exactly as planned all along.
Kuss isn't the captain, he's not the one they're riding for and never was. He was a good distraction and that's all - his body language and his interviews also backs this up. He isn't unhappy that Vingegaard attacked, he's thrilled he did and made it even more sure that TJV wins all three GT's this year. He get's paid to be a superdomestique, Jonas gets paid to win. It's as simple as that. Nothing greedy or selfish about that, he's doing what he's paid to do.
@@RB-xv4si Nobody is owed anything, they all get paid in money not favors to do a job, you're being inappropriately emotional and a bit irrational about this!
Team orders were for all 3 to go for GC, Jonas was given the go ahead to go for stage 16 and he did, nothing but pro sportmanship was going on here!
@@dippegalant yeah, unfortunately TJV have brainwashed Kuss to think this way. That much is clear. I thought they had his back up until this stage. He definitely needs to leave this team. He’s better than most other team’s designated GC riders. TJV and Vingegaard/Roglic have clearly made the decision that they don’t care about their most loyal and effective mountain domestique and that they have no intention of returning the favor. I have no reason to doubt Kuss could take the overall with his whole team’s support. They’re a bunch of fuckers.
I don't think JV expected to take so much time. UAE and the others just stopped riding when he attacked. No clue what UAE were doing by having Fisher Black try to beat JV
What I was thinking too. I reckon h was expecting the gap to drop to 20s or so again like last time.
I think it was a fine move, vingegaard can always do with more time on Ayuso. There's no guarantee that Kuss will survive Angliru Vs the other heavy hitters, if he makes it, then GC Kuss is real
After Angliru there is still 2 mountain stages.. The race is only just begun..
It's inappropriate for a great champion to intentionally weaken their performance in a Grand Tour just to bestow it upon a loyal teammate, as this would significantly diminish the Vuelta's value. I would love to see GC Kuss win, but their initial strategy was to let the strongest TJV rider emerge as the winner.
I love JV, he's a great champion precisely BECAUSE guys like Sepp Kuss and other riders break their backs for him to win, Kuss above all as a teammate in the mountains of the GTs. Sepp deserves the same treatment JV received in the TdF and Roglic in the Giro.
Well said.
It's called sportsmanship...if letting Sepp win would be the greatest gift a friend could give and would genuinely change Sepp's life. Perhaps that selfless act would morally feel better than winning in itself. Based on your comment, I doubt whether you would understand that 🤔
@@inkjazzBut Vingegaard in the Tour and Roglic in the Giro got different treatments. Vingegaard was never in any real trouble, while Roglic needed real support (and got it) at one point in the Giro.
Shot out to English speakers: Vingaard, the last part is pronounced with the "aa" as the "o" in Lord and the "d" at the end cannot be heard. So basically it is "Vingegor", not "Vingegard". Btw this goes for all Danish names ending with -gaard which is quite a lot, it is a very common last name ending in Denmark.
Thanks for pointing that out I have watched Vuelta highlights programme in England and wondered why the pronunciation had changed from gard to gor.Only right the best bike rider in the world should have his name pronounced correctly 👍
The fight after 3rd is what I’m looking foreword to
"La corsa è corsa e pieta'l'e'morta"(Gino Bartali)
I think team JV knows that jonas is stronger than his team mates at this time
thats why they allow him to go because honestly kuss showed weakness and roglic attacked and couldn't drop anyone ...well except kuss
To everyone saying let the best man win - Kuss IS THE BEST MAN. He’s on his third grand tour and had he not been so tired helping Jonas and Roglic, they perhaps couldn’t have distanced him. They should’ve taken him with them cuz the other teams weren’t in contention and it was a chance to help him. It’s no gift - if it is, everything that Kuss has done for them was a gift too.
This all feels like TJV is sorting out who's good to win. They were all supporting Roglic and to a lesser extent Vingegaard when they showed up, and Kuss just hung on to red after doing his job spectacularly on stage 6. I hope he can take the jersey to Barcelona, but I'm not holding my breath.
I hope Jumbo hires Ayuso and Mas next year, so they will make a thrilling and historical top 1-2-3-4-5 🎉
If Jonas is the best rider, which he clearly is, I do not understand what we are talking about. If he is not stronger than Jonas, then he will be put in his place and he will stay the great domestique he is.
He was the best rider at TdF, he is not at this Vuelta, he is making solo moves to gain time against his teammates, which is ridiculous
I wonder if Jumbo tells Remco they ARE GOING to win tomorrow, but if he doesn't attack then they will let him go in a break on stage 20 (as long as it doesn't have anyone within ten minutes of their podium spots).
Dear GC Kuss,
Show no mercy tomorrow!
people are saying "Roglic and Jonas should ride for themselves, yadda yadda." but just a few years ago, people would bash riders for not working for their gc leader. i feel pike some people just really don't want to see Sepp win.
Then why weren't you angry when Kuss, didn't ride for Jonas on stage 6 and he was the GC leader? The truth is that in TJV case, they have 3 riders that by all means could win the Vuelta. Then why shouldn't the best of those three win? Team sport or not this is three week long grand tour. Isn't it supposed to be to the strongest rider with the strongest team that wins?
@@thespartan3479 who said i wasn't? if i'd have seen it, i would have said the same thing(i didn't watch stage 6). the complete double standard still stands.
People seem to forget that its the 3rd GT for Kuss this year. I think they will always need to care about him just beeing empty. Also in terms of preparation etc. he never trained to be the GC guy so that he always needs to go with the gc group. There are no stages off. And with the ability to have a back up also 2 min ahead of Ayuso was just a too good chance. And its not that Ayuso lost he Vuelta today
No one forgets this. Literally no one who knows who Kuss is, forgets this.
I promise you, we don't forget it.
I'm rooting for Kuss to take the GC but I don't think Jonas was wrong. It worked out that now he has more time on the others and Kuss holds on to Red. I think they'll fully support Kuss tomorrow unless he has a bad day and that was probably already their plan.
I feel bad for Roglic, my favorite cyclist but Jonas is looking nuclear in this La Vuelta stages, anyway Gc kuss wins la vuelta
Lol...vingegaard will win vuelta easily now
@@user-rj4kh7dm4u probably but i need gc kuss fr
Don't count him out yet, remember how he won the Giro? He is older and wiser, let's see what he does tomorrow..
I am a Dane but Roglic is my no1
@@jzhang99Roglic nw relies on TT bike last year Veulta Remco dropped him this year at Giro Thomas dropped him
Diamond legs from GC Kuss on angliru tomorrow!!!
First!...wish I wasn't working when these are on live. Kuss is a canon for riding 3 grand tours this year.
Clearly Jonas had green light from the team, so no, he was not wrong !
Jonas to win vuelta was never in doubt. I got nearly 4to1 other day. Thank you very much. Now he is 4to9. Lovely jubbly🎉
does anyone know why UAE is abbreviated as UAD in the standings?
I said this before the Vuelta started, Jonas will not finish second if he feels like he is the best rider. He is going to attack again tomorrow and take the lead, despite all the "we're a team happy no matter who wins" garbage they have been saying.
Jonas should be riding for Sepp right now, for the next four stages, IMO. Sepp did it for him many times.
Sepp dropped by Ayuso n Mas
Because Sepp was there as a domestique, Jonas is there as a captain. Sepp could also never beat Jonas in the GC. It took an insanely big mistake from UAE and Quickstep giving Sepp 3 minutes for free when he was in the breakaway. Otherwise, Sepp would be 3rd place now.
@@Soli11 If Jonas wanted to lead then he should have taken red back when Sepp did. They both had the same opportunity to grab it. Sepp took it, defended it, now it's time for Jonas to ride for Sepp as Sepp has done for Jonas.
@@charlestoddsullivanforpres6628 Pray tell how Jonas was supposed to do what when Sepp got 3 minutes on him and the rest of the GC guys, apart from Soler, in a breakaway that Jonas as a TdF champion was never going to be allowed to be part of as UAE and Quickstep would have chased the breakaway down with Jonas in it.
Sepp got 3 'free' minutes that Jonas or Primoz never had the chance to take. It was not helped by Jonas being sick with stomach issues at that time. Jonas is not a domestique like Sepp has been to him. Jonas came to the Vuelta as a co-captain and has not been demoted to domestique. Him and the team has made that very clear. Sepp has been paid handsomely to support his captain, that has been his role.
Jonas does not have to do anything for Sepp. Maybe he gifts the Vuelta to Sepp, maybe he decides that he wants it. If Jonas wants the red jersey then he can take it. Sepp knows that too. No one is owed a GT win. The best man should win it. If Sepp turns out to be the best man, he would have rightfully won the Vuelta. If not, Jonas is within his rights to take it.
A couple of observations from todays stage. 1/ There are a lot of very angry/upset Kuss fans out there today, and 2/ It looks like it could still be a Jumbo Visma 123 at the end of this years Vuelta.
Nope, no angry Kuss fans. Kuss fans know he is part of a team, and the team winning the entire podium is important.
Kuss fans know how much strategy went into this stage.
There are no angry Kuss fans here.
@@endokrin7897 Maybe not here, but over on Cyclingnews they had their torches out! LOL
This stage plane wos for Roglič,thets was the plan in the buss,but Jonas always have some birthday,bad new.etc for getting the win.
Roglič did never go on Jonas whell, but Jonas have a mask for the camera
Love how Primoz just stops his computer right at the finish line
why didn't FIsher Black drop back to pull for Ayuso
Bla bla bla..there are only three riders to win GC and there are from Jumbo..other riders are only statics for GC
That was a huge mistake.
There was a time where you just don't attack when your teammate is wearing the leader's jersey.........guess those days are in the past.....
There was a time when you didn’t need a derailleur and teams cars to ride the tour…….guess those days are in the past……
@@ervin7178 funny......but explain to me why Vingegaard attacks his own teammate when Kuss has a real chance to win this Vuelta.....
@@pauljansen1137 because this is racing and the most important part is winning. I completely agree Sepp Kuss has a chance of winning it, but if they have a bigger chance with Jonas, they should obviously chase that instead.
Also need I remind you the only change today is that Jonas is closer to Sepp (Sepp only lost 4 seconds). Sure if Jonas attacked and everyone could follow but Kuss it would be a big problem, but that is not the case.
@@johnjohnUnited let's wait and see how things turn out on l'Angliru.....
@@pauljansen1137 We will. But what Jonas did today was a good decision none the less.
@Lanterne Rouge Jonas said on Danish television that the victory was dedicated Nathan, and he was very emotional about his situation, as he said Nathan is his best friend. Also, he told that he first heard of Nathan's recovery 300m from finish, which sent strange sensations though his body of relief. I think that's why he is emotional on the top - not because of return of strong legs 🙂
Can someone tell me what "chas pe tat" is (phonetic spelling)? It was said around 4:45 referring to the Ving/Fisher move. I assume it means something like, "one vs one"?
TJV implode as Jonas responds to Kuss’ killer dead-leg with insane bear hug. Primoz is aggrieved as he feels on the outer. It’s over for TJV.
As a barca fan i think that jonas is a cyclist (and this says barcelona fan)
He does appear to be a cyclist
For Nathan!! Tomorrow Vingegaard will attack and take 3 minutes because his second best friend Sepp Kuss has birthday!! What a gift!
"even Mollema attacking" that one hurt a bit😅
i hope this is some sneaky grand plan.
Every cycling fan in the world wants SK to win. would be the feel good cycling story of the decade. Not to
mention sponsorship value- cycling growth in US- english speaking countries.
If Jumbo, JV-PR screw him over. they will definitely loose support.
Where is the loyalty to KS for all his years of work.
not to mention, how will they expect SK to bury himself for the team in every single stage.
Every world team will be throwing the bank at him.
Well Jumbo asked Jonas to be in the race not to set tempo.
They should let Roglic go then, they got a superstar - able to win TdF with 100% support if the team, Wout was fully committed, not as in the past when racing for stages and green, Roglic got this support in 2020, but at that race the tactics of TJV was underestimating Pogacar fully, so it happened what we all know.
nothing wrong with what Jonas did today, it all depends on Kuss legs tomorrow anyways
Honestly this just feels like TJV making a statement that they’re going to gobble up all three GC podium spots. It’s almost like they’re giving each other a tow in terms of the GC time, they might just end up yo-yoing each other to the finish. Jonas was in third, he attacked and created some separation for himself, now will be interesting to see if he helps Primoz and/or Sepp do the same in the next couple stages so they can put themselves further ahead as well. Only a few seconds lost for Kuss on any non-TJV riders, so if anything this just means Jonas has more leeway to help the others since his podium spot is more solid. We’ll see. TJV have been clear they only care about winning, not who wins specifically, but I imagine if they can secure a TJV 1-2-3, Jonas and Primoz would let Sepp take the win
If Kuss were close to become 1,2,3 and no other at Jumbo were close anyone can be sure Jonas would burn the midnight oil to support his teammate but reality are that Jumbo right now are sitting on position 1,2,3, and then it should be about whom are best on the day and in the race overall. It are an unusual situation. But remember that Jonas are in a position where he can go into the history books. Only one time before have a TdF winner also won in Spain and Jonas are still young and can truly make a mark historically. Maybe be first to do it twice? I love that Jumbo as a team are so good at supporting teammates and the entire team have showed each other they are loyal to each other but when they have all 3 positions they should let the best of the three take the lead and that seems to be Jonas. Historically it will be remembered better, in honour of also Jumbo, if Jonas break "all time" records than if they "let" Kuss win. I can understand it might feel hard if you are very supportive of Kuss but hope people agree it would be most fair and more beneficial for Jumbo overall if the best man wins. And if that are Kuss, so be it, but wont be remembered in the long run as if Jonas wins. I hope the strongest man and team wins! It would be sad it Kuss are "let win" for commercial reasons on the American market, that wont give as much honour to JUmbo nor Kuss but if he becomes second fair and square it are an honorable second place that will be remembered as such.
No gifts! For JV to hold back Vingegaard even though he is stronger would look very stupid indeed if Kuss fell or had a bad mechanical between here and Madrid. Besides, if you were Kuss would you really want a gift like that if you know Vingegaard to be stronger? AND it makes it much more exciting for us viewers if V, K and R race rather than just lock it down for the last week. Go Jonas then.
You mean when Bradley Wiggins won the tour but Froome was stronger?
It was the right time to go to win the stage. I thought JV was not going very hard in the end, they wanted the stage for NvH. Simple as that.
My concern for tomorrow, is if Sepp is struggling on this climb, I don’t see him as better tomorrow. I’m pulling for Sepp, I think TJV really wants him to win, and I do believe in gifting races, even Tours. To hell with “let the best rider win”, there is more credit to doing the right thing.
Every man/woman for themselves is exactly what is wrong about sport, in my opinion.
What you are expressing is to remove the entire competitive part of the sport? So what is the point of them cycling?
@@Smalldeine I’m not saying that at all. May the best team or athlete win, yes.
As the 3 Stooges quipped, All for one, and one for all, and every man for himself. No
Fighting inside teams for who’s got the biggest… bike is bad. Just look at the FDJ mess.
I believe TJV has this in control and NvH’s injury added to their desire. But comments, I read above or below, seem to me too be saying JV should ride for the win and Sepp be damned.
You win TOGETHER as a team. That means supporting each other. If Sepp is going to lose the lead, of course PR or JV should ride, but until that nope.
The reason TJV is the best team is $$$, but they have the smallest amount of internal dissension, that allows for the smoothest operation.
Looks like a Wiggins X Froome situation. Lets see what the team orders are!
There are SO many people who haven´t got an effing clue what they are talking about in terms of cycling. About Vingegaard taking time on Kuss: OF COURSE the fastest rider should take time if he can - even though it is his team mate who is in the lead. Imagine if Vingegaard only delivered 85% of what he is capable of, in order to not take time off Kuss: Then what about if Kuss crashes and has to leave the race and number 3 in the race - a guy from another team - is then suddenly in the lead, because Vingegaard did not go 100%. For the team as a whole - OF COURSE the task is to have a winner of the Vuelta from Team Jumbo Visma. Hence, of course Vingegaard goes 100% if he feels he has good legs. No matter if he is taking time off his team mate.
I will be bummed out JV doesn't do whatever is possible to have Sepp stay in red, assuming he has the legs. Look for a Sepp transfer if Vin attacks him again. Maybe Primoz and Sepp will move to another team together.
Anyone who says Jonas did the right thing... if Jonas would not wear the JV jersey Roglič and Kuss would never allow for that crazy slow tempo behind, even if they couldn't follow his pace they would definetly limit their losses.
And? It doesn't change anything.
But he is wearing the Jumbo-Visma jersey and he did force the other teams to pace in the group as he was ahead, so he did do the right thing.
Great tactic and specially Great legs from Jumbos.
This 4:40 chasse patate is gold !
Roglic ruined it. It would have been free time, and roglic could have paced him up. but instead he loses time. luckily its only 4 seconds.
Who loses time? Only the domestic Kuss loses 5 seconds. Roglic tried but stays the same and Vinegaard gets one minute of gain. Others lose time. Some of them more like Soler (who is also a domestic). Almeida, Uitdebroke... Jumbo did it perfect and I think Angliru will be epic for Jumbo. Remco Evenepoel today arrived LAST. Yes, LAST 148 position, to save forces for winning Angliru but I'm afraid Angliru will be Jumbo stage win
@@sergimarch8874 Roglic made Sepp look weak, just before the 2. Biggest stage. The time for Everyone beside Jonas for Red, could have been the same. But roglic ruined it. Should have helped Sepp since he is not the one with the better legs.
@@sergimarch8874 if 150 riders finish and Remco finished 148th, how does he finish last then??
You are absolutely right. When I looked at the classifications 149 and 150 hadn't finished yet @@N2theLAS
Roglic was wrong, chasing vingegaard! He should have let the work be done by mas
yeah, but Mas just did not do it.
My take... I was expecting this and shared it before in other foruns. Vin is the best GC rider in the World and always gain form along the way and Kuss had already shown he might not be as strong. Roglic also does not seem to have that killer punch as we saw (Mas and Ayuso managed to bridge after his attack). Jumbo will win the big 3. Only some kind of catastrophic event would prevent it. They could chose to put all the chips into a Kuss victory which would be a great marketing move in US and Netflix, it could chose to make history by having a guy winning Giro and Vuelta (the later one for the 4th time). However, a Tour + Vuelta is surely the most impressive GC rider achievement since 2017 when Froome did the same. Let's see how this theory works in the Angliru.
Remco's absence from yesterday's action is totally aligned with the idea he will be doing the impossible to win on those crazy slopes that make his beloved La Redoute look like a faux-plat 😆
JV has a team plan to win the Vuelta. I think it is sharing the load on the final 3 mountain stages. I still think Sepp will win and that is the plan. 3 Grand Tours won by 3 different team members in 2023.
It’s probably over for Sepp Kuss at this point to win the GC. Angliru is so tough and JV is the best in the peloton in 3rd week
Jonas is the Judas of cycling.
Judas Vingegaard...