Why are the heads up guide arrows in the road reflected onto the car hood? Also this game using a bunch of screen space reflections to simulate RT where it falls short. Also the car leveling system is lame. I would rather be able to buy upgrades, not unlock them by driving that specific car over and over again.
I miss a lot of the starting out with a shitbox and working your way up to supercars feeling that classic racing games had. Too often the games throw the supercars at you from the start and you never look back.
Agreed. For a horizon is my favorite racing series ever but I’ve hardly played the last one because there is zero sense of progress. I didn’t play for about a month and fired it up a couple of days ago and literally had twenty free cars waiting for me.
GT7 is the best racing game ever made and possible the mankind's greatest achievement! Forza series is the worst and garbage because it is a microshit game! lol
@@andyward8430 I have something like 15 or 20 million credits in FH5, without VIP. Granted, I haven't gone crazy in spending in the game, but then I don't really have to either, and I've made a point of giving away all of my unwanted cars rather than selling them. In FH4, not only did the VIP system give you boatload of credits, but the whole business-story-thing that they added accumulates tens of thousands of credits every day, even when you aren't logged in. Meanwhile in FM4, the game that got me hooked, you started with a little hatchback and worked your way up. It was rewarding, dare I say addicting, and I loved that game.
@@gazzman6547 "microshit" is making more money on Forza than Sony making on Gran Turismo and that's the only real metric that truly matters in your make belief plastic war
Recently went back and played FM4. Aside from the graphics looking a bit rough on a large screen, the gameplay holds up surprisingly well. I'd have happily taken a modern version of that. All the games from FM5 onwards just seem to miss something. I think its the same as what a few people are saying, the process of starting with an E-class road car and working your way up.
It’s they give you super cars at the start instead of having you start with a moderate car and build yourself up. Also Turn 10 in the earlier days focused on more realism.
Well one thing about the horizon games that I thought was a bit annoying was how you could get the fastest cars and mod them to the max after 2 hrs. It was too easy. I like that they're making you work for the upgrades and new cars. More rewarding. (though I'll have to see myself exactly how they've implemented it)
idk I like the sandbox style of horizon where you can get any car and go crazy with it. I think there’s so many racing games that have the “start with a clapped ek9 civic and end with a Ferrari f40” style of pacing that it’s kind of refreshing to have the freedom to just get whatever you want. I think it’s nice to have both styles of progression
@iyona2305 actually they're isnt enough racing games that do this xp progression. I been so sick of forza giving everything away at the start of a game. It's to easy and boring that way, Forza has done this xp progression in the xbox 360 days and I'm glad it's back.
Yea there's a nice middle ground somewhere, compared to GT7 which requires you to glue yourself to a chair and play nonstop to get a premium car or spend literally hundreds of dollars for a car
@@Tyler-hs9eu for sure, GT7 is on the opposite end of the spectrum for racing game progression, and while it’s super fun to progress through generations of cars and licenses, late game is a slog fest
I've been huge fan of the Forza series ever since day one. I can't wait to play this one. Thanks, Karak! As always, I really appreciate the honest, unbiased, and detailed review! God bless and stay safe!
As a non native English-speaking I really enjoy your linguistic and borderline poetic way of writing your reviews. Keep it up, your podcasts are awesome too!
I'll try the game since it's on Gamepass, but the car points/RPG system has me extremely turned off. I enjoy setting up cars for specific purposes and treating the game as more of a sim. It makes zero sense to go through all of the effort to include better wheel support, better physics, better track scans, only to introduce such an arbitrary and gamified system such as this. This system will just lead to people trying fewer cars, rather than people dumping loads of time into the game to max every car as I'm sure some bean counter at Turn10/MS think they will. It will DEFINITELY lead to more people chasing the meta car in online racing rather than experimenting with other cars and builds because the game actively punishes you for doing that by wasting time that you can never get back.
You’re such a good reviewer I watch your videos on genres that I’m not even interested in playing. You really are a beacon of light in this community. Thank you.
The lack of tracks is really puzzling, it's been 6yrs between the main series games, if anything this should have a ton of tracks. I'm still buying it, I just hope they consistently add tracks and not charge for them.
The production budget was reduced due to it being available on game pass. The franchise will now be tteated as a game as a service. Additional tracks will be sold as DLC.
I’ll be honest, the whole caRPG/upgrade system is a real put off for me. Doesn’t feel like it belongs in a sim/sim-lite at all. Plus, Ive read/heard from multiple other outlets that, despite getting away from the Drivatar business, AI is still occasionally hyper aggressive, gets rubber-band catch up assists, and the occasional “opponent rocket starts off the line and can’t be caught” issue persists. Those are all things that made me lose interest in FM6 and 7. I’ll still try it out because Game Pass and all. Maybe I’m just getting old but it really feels, at least to me, that sim-lite racers peaked with GT4 and FM3. Everything since has been less impressive (outside of graphical improvements, of course).
Sadly, my enthusiasm for this game is not at all huge compared to most others. This series and Horizon hasn't wowed me as much as in previous years. To me, Motorsport pretty much peaked at around the 3rd game when it introduced that calendar system in the single player campaign. That basically kept the racing from going stale and you were jumping from race series to race series each week. Horizon 3 still holds a place in my heart because I'm an Australian whose biased towards Australian locals in any game. But after that game, that series went downhill. Hell, I'd say the Horizon series was going downhill before that. Because what was missing in every other Horizon game besides the first one? A story mode. And boss fights in a racing game. You don't really get in later Horizon games. As for this newer Forza Motorsport, it's not exactly gearing me up towards excitement. Oh, and that "damage model" this game seems proud of? It looks like weak sauce. Damage modelling in racing games haven't reached the same intensity compared to games like GRID Motorsport, Project CARS 2 or, hell, even the Need for Speed Shift series had better crash damage.
I preferred Forza 4 as everything after was too generic and streamlined. I wish Microsoft would be more competitive with Gran Turismo in the realism etc.
To me, racing games are good for a very specific type of gamer, and if you're not that specific person you might not like it as much as a car enthusiast would. But Forza Motorsports seems like a very good game at what it's geared toward but is a very safe and reserved game. Fun to play, and isn't cluttered with micro-transactions. I respect it
Thanks Karak. I'm still very interested in this game but that upgrade system is part of what's putting me off buying it at launch, instead I'm giving it a month of GamePass first. I like the idea of upgrading cars individually but locking those upgrades behind levels is a negative. Hopefully it'll play better than it sounds on paper.
I'm waiting until it's on a deep sale, don't have time for that unnecessary "CarPG" mechanic and hope that it get's punted out right along with the idiot(s) that came up with it.
@@Blur4strike I think that's the right move. I'm playing it with a month of Game Pass now and I don't think I'll be buying it when that's done. There's not a huge amount there and it all gets very repetitive quite quickly (in career mode). The upgrade system isn't as bad as some made out but it's not good either, far too restrictive. It's almost like driver skill plays no part because you start from scratch with every car. Then there's optimisation issues on PC. The racing itself can be sorted but FPS is all over the place even above 60fps and the menus/cutscenes are a crap show. I'm definitely waiting for more content and a good sale.
Can't wait for this! I've been "prepping" by putting laps in on Assetto Corsa and Assetto Corsa Competizione over the last week or so. So many good sims out there right now... I'm always happy to see another one enter the mix.
@@zarbon700It's just as much sim as GT7. iracing has been my sim of choice the last 4 months and after adjusting the ffb settings Forza actually feels really good. The physics are also a huge improvement over FM7. I can't play on controller anymore so ffb, and physics was make or break for me on this game and im very surprised and impressed. I know how many of my fellow sim racing enthusiasts can be snobs and elitists but if GT7 is realistic enough for you to play so is this new forza. But then again I enjoy "sim-lite" games just as much as the harcore racing sims
Tying upgrades to car level kind of reminds me of Starfield making you complete a challenge before leveling a perk. Ends up just feeling like a mobile game-y way to get you to play longer. Makes me wonder if Xbox isn't pushing devs to find ways to squeeze more play time out of players, might be a negative effect of the subscription model.
Yup, I don't like the trend, and its been pushing me towards PS more and more. I just want a good game, not a game designed around monetary systems. Just charge more if you need to, but make it a good game!
@@af4396No this has to do with a better progression system where you learn a car before upgrading it instead of buying the best cars off the get go. People liked both and you can't make everyone happy.
No race cars in career mode makes this game a non-starter for me. I had hoped that a game with “Motorsport” in the title would be more focused on race cars and the long history of motorsports as well as different types of race cars, from open wheel to sports cars and prototypes. I have no interest in racing road cars on racetracks-been there, done that.
Apart from the fact that there are no real race cars in career mode, the successive championships are far too similar, so that there is hardly any sense of progress. Also, the upgrade system doesn't work for me at all the way Turn10 wants it to. Because you need a new car for each championship and the championships are far too short to completely upgrade a car, you don't really build a relationship with your car as Turn10 intended.
I really really liked forza 7 aside from the campaign progression. Everything I’ve read and seen of this edition sounds very promising. I’m looking forward to playing later tonight or tomorrow.
I enjoyed the last one enough on my racing rig, don't have that anymore so not sure how I'm feeling about this. Progression has always been an issue for me with Forza games. But it's on gamepass so I'll def be checkin it.
Because he's 1 guy. People have a sense of his opinions and tastes. IGN have a number of staff, so you're always getting a mixed bag of opinions from IGN, hence the review scores all over the place and occasional L take.
I just don't see how a game that is supposed to represent motorsport doesn't even allow you to properly experience motorsport. Classes are not fleshed out enough, no qualifying, and lack of actual racing series. I just think Forza Motorsport advertising and marketing is way off to what the actual game is. It is the series that got me into real life racing and more hardcore sims, but once you take that dive this game just loses its appeal completely. It feels impossible to find a racing game that represents motorsport properly while also being a good game. Most sims are terrible underdevelop games while FM may be good as a game, but is terrible as a simulator of actual motorsport.
Grinding levels for each car is gonna drop the player count, had a chance to be the best racing game and they blew it, the fact that the car sound in far cam and cockpit cam sound pretty much the same is a massive let down too. Man i miss Forza 4.
i have 3 copies of fm4 & 2 & 3.......just incase the dvd drive eats em. Horray for PC emulators ! I am tired of ALL these new games since around 2014 on ward.............ALL Garbage !
The leveling up system is making me understand how the parts of the car change the physics, and it is making me learn to finally fine tune the car. But I Im the typical weirdo happy just with a car and a track for hours. So they should make a fast track mode for more normal people.
this looks good per usual, but I'm about to start skipping these games that ship w/o couch co-op/split screen. Unacceptable for a racing title. The devs keep claiming that pushing the new engine is making split screen too hard, and I'm sure it is. but, I'm not buying that as a viable excuse, especially when they have so much to gain monetarily by pushing online-only multiplayer.
BUY hard copies & more then 1, i have 3 copies of FM 2-4 & 2 copies of FH1-3. I am DONE with this crap show of you PAY the maker & own NOTHING, i am Not a MMO or online gamer..........
I race cars in real life and I'm about to pick up my copy in like 5 minutes. It has over 700 cars and this time the Challenger/Charger is represented properly now. You better believe my car is in this! I can't wait until that giant install fille is done and I'm whipping around in my SCAT Challenger doing things that would see me in cuffs if I did it in my real one!
This new Forza overall is better but after playing it quite often maybe even too much I'm left unsatisfied. Infact it gives me the urge to play GT7. Honestly I know GT7 has it's flaws an all like every game has, but I'm going back too it. Forza while it's better in someways just doesn't scratch my itch for me.
@ACGreviews What do you think about all those low/midrange items in racing games that never get used, because people directly spend their ingame cash upgrading the new car to the max? Do you think upgrades have any use in racing games as is, or should tuning be enough as everyone just think they want car upgrades but in reality just want the best parts from the getgo and tune a bit to find their preferred setup?
Might just be me, but looking at the speedometer in some of the shots and comparing it to how fast the cars seemed to be going, it feels like the cars are going a lot slower than they should be?
I understand not wanting someone to skip the part where they learn the stock version of a car and build it up versus just buying all the upgrades for it, but this might not be the best way to force that. I would think of maybe a challenge system, similar to GT7's license tests, where you have to do well in a lower classed race or tournament with your car before unlocking the next "tier" of upgrades.
I love how it feels like a modern version of forza 4, tho the individual car leveling up for parts is annoying, I think they had an affinity system in forza 4 for the car brand, idk if it unlocked anything tho maybe cheaper parts but i think it was mainly a progress tracker for the brands of cars you like.
I'm still waiting for GT4 like career (that includes GT7) and this upgrade system is a huge minus for me, to the point that I've just canceled my pre-order and was really looking FW to have something like this outside of PS eco system, when i don't want hardcore stuff but just enjoy real cars with simcade driving model.
I heard you need to be online to enjoy a majority of the game and if you want to save your progress you'll need to be online too. If it's true people need to be aware of this. It's just going to be another GT7 and I was really hoping it wasn't.
It is a good driving game but not a great racing game. The racing lacks adrenaline or a sense of competition. It lacks the grid adrenaline and racing feel. Feedback is ok but it lacks the race feel. Grid had it. Project cars 3 even had a race feel. Although it failed in other area.
100% it was to "drive player retention" by some suit, I have a feeling it will do the opposite effect. Most people will just chase the meta car and upgrade that, ignoring most of the others.
I disagree, a racing RPG game is fuckin cool. Makes you understand the nuances of each car and actually commit to learning the way it handles and drives. Upgrading a shitbox to compete and then scraping buy to earn a new and better one. Makes you appreciate it more. The sense of accomplishment is much more rich I feel like
my favorite thing in Horizon is picking up a random car I find interesting and playing with the customization. Then cruise and race...Sadly, here we wont be able to do that with this career progression system
We need a game like this but with a lot more sht boxes / k cars / city cars and old dtm cars along with the road going versions like the opel calibra dtm and calibra turbo and the fwd v6 version. Im sick of super and hyper cars. That doesn't mean it shouldn't have them i just think it shouldn't be the focus of the game
For me the things I hate most is the stiff steering animation in cockpit view and even with "simulation steering" the game still constantly try to conter-steer. I want NO steering assist. Also a setting for steering linearity/gamma and speed would be nice. (That's with a Xbox controller)
I don’t understand any of the decisions behind this game, the early Forza games would be almost entirely new car rosters each game. I feel like I’ve seen these same cars since Forza MS 5 on Xbox one
I played the heck out of Forza Horizon 4 & 5 but this doesn’t look interesting at all. I already have Gran Turismo 7, and honestly I don’t see this game improving on that at all. This game should have come out in 2024. This year is just too stacked for an average racer.
They clearly aimed for a more competitive game with this Forza. Career grinding forces you to learn the cars and tracks so you're not ruining everyones day in MP.
this is something they could actually take from FFXIV, to hit a middle ground. The highest lvled car have the full xp requirement to level up, but every car with lower level benefit a x2 xp multiplier.. letting you catch up quickly to the progression you had with the first car you had, but once you pass the level of that car, youre back down to lvling without the multiplier.
I’d be happy if it were very similar to GT7. I hope the car economy is better than GT7, but I play these games so much it’s really a nonissue for me. I always end up with plenty of money to buy what I want.
Depends what you think is long standing. GT7 has really improved its weekly races over the last few months and it does seem to play better than Forza. GT7 for all its flaws always is superior in detail and gameplay when it comes to console gaming.
@@Khozai Nearly always there is an upgrade DLC thing costing $20-30 or whatever that upgrades your GP version to the "play early" version - I would be surprised if this doesn't have that like SF before it.
Do the cars feel like they’re on rails? Rubber banding when far ahead or behind? Do you just start in the back every time and easily pass up to 4th and then it’s challenging or are all the cars a very similar talent and more competitive with each other too?
No the cars don't feel on rails at all. You will have to really try and dial in uour inputs and driving techniques to get fast lap times when you first get a car until you can get actual race tires. The ai is decent. Better than GT7 by leagues but no where near as good as iracing or ams2. It is pretty funny sometimes because they really try and get ahead of each other and end up taking themselves and other cars out. Adds a sense of realism. Atleast more realistic than ai that just follows each in a straight line and never leaves their pre-determined path. You practice before each race and you will see the lap times between you and all the opponents. You choose where you start. You cab set yourself in the position you actually qualified or you cab set yourself farther back to get a bigger bonus if you win. It's not bad actually. The races feel like actual races and not starting the race in a line with the lead car 45 seconds ahead, and 1/4 of a lap ahead.
Apart from the fact that there are no real race cars in career mode, the successive championships are far too similar, so that there is hardly any sense of progress. Also, the upgrade system doesn't work for me at all the way Turn10 wants it to. Because you need a new car for each championship and the championships are far too short to completely upgrade a car, you don't really build a relationship with your car as Turn10 intended.
The fact that there is no Touring/High Performance Vehicles competitions in Forza motorsport's carrier kills me from inside, because bro if u have like 600 cars in the game and only 7 competitions in the game, what kind of sense does that have?
Been looking forward to review of this. I had a racing itch recently after playing the The Crew Moterfest open weekend and installed Horizon 4 (owned for a long time but never played) as I had enjoyed Horizon 5 when I had Gamepass. I can safetly say I am over this "festival" style racer as I wanted to just take out normal cars and learn tracks like the good old days and I think Motorsport will do that for me.
I really wish Forza improved the vehicle damage! Something like the Dirt and Grid series games would be amazing. The collision physics annoy me too. That’s why I almost always play solo on an empty track and drive for lap times 😄
Unfortunately with all the good the game does it goes absolutely no where with the car leveling. 500+ cars in the game and if you want to modify them and get all the mods you have to get them to level 50. Way too much grinding for me when I just wanna cut some laps with mates and build street/race cars. I think it will force a lot of people out of the game
welcome to the future of gaming, it's no longer free time to have FUN but now it's like a job. Thumbs down to this new system of gaming where you waste time instead of just having fun. I'll keep playing my old games on CD,DVD & steam.
Personally i love the built not bought aspect of the game. I enjoy driving stock cars and earning the parts for them. Its made me enjoy this forza more than the rest with that alone.
Saying Forza is a racing sim (and F1 and GT for that matter), is like saying Call of Duty is a war sim. It's more sim-like than some other titles (like Need for Speed) but it's not really comparable to true racing sims (like iRacing). That's not to say it can't be fun and enjoyable and even challenging though! I have a lot of fun with F1 and (to a lesser extent) GT myself, and F1 can be quite challenging indeed. GT can be challenging too, but only if you introduce some custom rules for yourself, like going from back to front with a lap limit in a much worse car on the highest difficulty setting without going off-track or colliding with anyone.
After getting so used to GT7 in VR, I feel like almost any other flat experience won't do it for me like it used to - at least not in the sim/like space anyway
Yeah it’s really fun. Just not worth putting a headset on to do a few races for me personally. Maybe on psvr3 it’ll be there with gt8 haha. Just glasses or something.
VR is fun, but you also get used to it to the point that it's not novel anymore. I've haven't touch my VR headset in over a year, lol... At one point I actually thought it had taken over my love of "flat" gaming. Not even close.
unless you have a xbox 360 or PC emulator good luck cause i been waiting for back compat since xbone was announced ...........fm6 & 7 are still good but not for sale any more cause MS wants to push this waste of time crap like it's a rpg.
I haven’t played the game yet but based on this review and others I’ve watched it seems like the car leveling system is Forza version of the GT license system. Which is why I don’t play GT I liked Forza because you could literally jump in pick the car you want start racing and saving credits to buy upgrades for your cars or just buy faster cars. I get Turn10 is calling this a carpg but I hope this doesn’t take away from the fun of what made Forza Motorsport so great for all these years.
"More wheel support than never before" hahahahaha. No official support for T80 wheels. Spent 3 hours trying to setup my wheel and no luck. The controls are straight horrible for me.
Turned into an online-only GAAS, lack of tracks, stupid A.I., etc. After the dud that was Redfall, the disappointment that was Starfield, it's worrying that Forza Motorsport has so many issues. Microsoft first-party continues to miss.
I never like rewind or reset feature in sim racing, if you spin the car 180 degree, put an effort to turn your car around.Learn from your mistakes to move on, that's motorsport (and life in general) all about.
Too often... gamers think they are the only audience that counts. Good thing for these studios is...alot of us weren't into Forza or racing games in general 😅 this is new to alot of us. Pretty cool game TBH
Just a heads up to those who are unaware. If you buy this game, you are only buying a demo pass to the cars and tracks. Saving progress and accessing the unfinished career mode is locked behind a server connection (We may as well call it the content pass). Once the server goes offline, so does your content pass and with it your ability to access most of the game's features.
@@dondelladadski Here's the text from the support page, I'd link it directly but TH-cam won't let me: "Players who have fully installed Forza Motorsport can create their own single-player races in Free Play even if they aren't always connected online. Free Play includes a comprehensive collection of cars, tracks, and options so you can customize the racing to your liking including time-of-day and weather conditions. An online connection is required to save your progress in Free Play. This is because the car-building mechanic is a primary driver of the in-game economy for all of Forza Motorsport - to help us ensure the security and fairness of the game for everyone, we’ve opted to make progression server-based, which will require an online connection. You also need to be connected online to access other parts of the game like the Builders Cup Career Mode, which is designed to evolve and expand overtime - we'll be regularly introducing new championships and events, as well as pulling in your friends’ Drivatars and cars to your single-player experience." So in short, saving progress is locked behind a server connection, only some of the cars and tracks are accessible without a server connection and the "evolving" single player career (which also requires a server connection) means it's unfinished and they are using corporate jargon to make it sound less bad and pass it off as something revolutionary. We've been able to have perfectly good career expansions for years in the form of well... expansion packs, which unless for an MMO, have pretty much all been perfectly playable without a server connection.
@@Reds-Retros YES, this is why i will be skipping this edition like i did with fm5, this is ALL garbage take your $$$ & run kind of BS. Man i am so pissed off waiting for this game & this is what we get for waiting........FOOK new games if this is what we're getting these days.
Forza always been #1 they just took long dev cycle this time. The only reasons people stopped playing FM7 because car rammers that didn't get fixed until near the end of FH4.
FM7 overall was the breaking point where they tried to make it feel like Horizon. I highly prefer FM6 over FM7 so I might be bias, but FM7's dad music turned me off bug time.
@@MeganeMondeoMX5 That initial (deserved) backlash at launch aside - GT7 really isn't that much of a MTX hungry game now. They've been supporting it with constant free updates and you can earn about 2m credits by grinding Tokyo Expressway 600pp with a clean race bonus for just over an hour anyway.
The new upgrade system pretty much ruins the games upgrade dynamic for me. Personally this feels like one of the worst decisions Forza has ever made as it’s such a big part of Forza in general.
No, homogenization in the last game that forced each car into a single class and forced you to use cars from a limited selection for each race was the worst design decision. You couldn't form an attachment to any car, or even a set of them.
Honestly, I've been a forza motorsport fan ever since I played the first one I was so excited to play this one. I had High Hopes for it but now, because of the decisions they made it feels like this one is gonna flop...
It's fine. Sounds worse than it is. People need to play for themselves and use their own brain instead of pre judging and listening to a youtuber. I love it (30 hours played)
Microtransaction? That's what scares me. It looks like even if you earn the car, with transactions kitting it out could temp you to spend hundreds+ per car, if they exploit the gamer.
The car level up system is the worst about the game. When i get a new car i just create a long event after that the car should be at a decent level. Then you can upgrade and go back to your regular series
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Why are the heads up guide arrows in the road reflected onto the car hood? Also this game using a bunch of screen space reflections to simulate RT where it falls short. Also the car leveling system is lame. I would rather be able to buy upgrades, not unlock them by driving that specific car over and over again.
I miss a lot of the starting out with a shitbox and working your way up to supercars feeling that classic racing games had. Too often the games throw the supercars at you from the start and you never look back.
Agreed. For a horizon is my favorite racing series ever but I’ve hardly played the last one because there is zero sense of progress. I didn’t play for about a month and fired it up a couple of days ago and literally had twenty free cars waiting for me.
Then play NFS
GT7 is the best racing game ever made and possible the mankind's greatest achievement! Forza series is the worst and garbage because it is a microshit game! lol
@@andyward8430 I have something like 15 or 20 million credits in FH5, without VIP. Granted, I haven't gone crazy in spending in the game, but then I don't really have to either, and I've made a point of giving away all of my unwanted cars rather than selling them. In FH4, not only did the VIP system give you boatload of credits, but the whole business-story-thing that they added accumulates tens of thousands of credits every day, even when you aren't logged in.
Meanwhile in FM4, the game that got me hooked, you started with a little hatchback and worked your way up. It was rewarding, dare I say addicting, and I loved that game.
@@gazzman6547 "microshit" is making more money on Forza than Sony making on Gran Turismo and that's the only real metric that truly matters in your make belief plastic war
Recently went back and played FM4. Aside from the graphics looking a bit rough on a large screen, the gameplay holds up surprisingly well. I'd have happily taken a modern version of that. All the games from FM5 onwards just seem to miss something. I think its the same as what a few people are saying, the process of starting with an E-class road car and working your way up.
It’s they give you super cars at the start instead of having you start with a moderate car and build yourself up. Also Turn 10 in the earlier days focused on more realism.
Well one thing about the horizon games that I thought was a bit annoying was how you could get the fastest cars and mod them to the max after 2 hrs. It was too easy. I like that they're making you work for the upgrades and new cars. More rewarding. (though I'll have to see myself exactly how they've implemented it)
Yes I'm excited of this new xp system cause I 🎶 started from the bottom now we here🎶 😀 😄
idk I like the sandbox style of horizon where you can get any car and go crazy with it. I think there’s so many racing games that have the “start with a clapped ek9 civic and end with a Ferrari f40” style of pacing that it’s kind of refreshing to have the freedom to just get whatever you want.
I think it’s nice to have both styles of progression
@iyona2305 actually they're isnt enough racing games that do this xp progression. I been so sick of forza giving everything away at the start of a game. It's to easy and boring that way, Forza has done this xp progression in the xbox 360 days and I'm glad it's back.
Yea there's a nice middle ground somewhere, compared to GT7 which requires you to glue yourself to a chair and play nonstop to get a premium car or spend literally hundreds of dollars for a car
@@Tyler-hs9eu for sure, GT7 is on the opposite end of the spectrum for racing game progression, and while it’s super fun to progress through generations of cars and licenses, late game is a slog fest
I've been huge fan of the Forza series ever since day one. I can't wait to play this one. Thanks, Karak! As always, I really appreciate the honest, unbiased, and detailed review! God bless and stay safe!
As a non native English-speaking I really enjoy your linguistic and borderline poetic way of writing your reviews. Keep it up, your podcasts are awesome too!
I'll try the game since it's on Gamepass, but the car points/RPG system has me extremely turned off. I enjoy setting up cars for specific purposes and treating the game as more of a sim. It makes zero sense to go through all of the effort to include better wheel support, better physics, better track scans, only to introduce such an arbitrary and gamified system such as this. This system will just lead to people trying fewer cars, rather than people dumping loads of time into the game to max every car as I'm sure some bean counter at Turn10/MS think they will. It will DEFINITELY lead to more people chasing the meta car in online racing rather than experimenting with other cars and builds because the game actively punishes you for doing that by wasting time that you can never get back.
Will it is a game lol .. idk why people like think it’s not a video game
Great points.
Car xp system is better than you think. I love it.
You’re such a good reviewer I watch your videos on genres that I’m not even interested in playing. You really are a beacon of light in this community. Thank you.
The lack of tracks is really puzzling, it's been 6yrs between the main series games, if anything this should have a ton of tracks. I'm still buying it, I just hope they consistently add tracks and not charge for them.
Physics all changed they had to completely redue tracks
Yeah it's like they think they need to cater to American audiences when we know all the best tracks are in Europe
The production budget was reduced due to it being available on game pass. The franchise will now be tteated as a game as a service. Additional tracks will be sold as DLC.
@@bentucker2301 Need Long Beach. One of the best circuits in America.
@@zarbon700 free dlc tracks confirmed.
I’ll be honest, the whole caRPG/upgrade system is a real put off for me. Doesn’t feel like it belongs in a sim/sim-lite at all. Plus, Ive read/heard from multiple other outlets that, despite getting away from the Drivatar business, AI is still occasionally hyper aggressive, gets rubber-band catch up assists, and the occasional “opponent rocket starts off the line and can’t be caught” issue persists. Those are all things that made me lose interest in FM6 and 7.
I’ll still try it out because Game Pass and all. Maybe I’m just getting old but it really feels, at least to me, that sim-lite racers peaked with GT4 and FM3. Everything since has been less impressive (outside of graphical improvements, of course).
Sadly, my enthusiasm for this game is not at all huge compared to most others. This series and Horizon hasn't wowed me as much as in previous years. To me, Motorsport pretty much peaked at around the 3rd game when it introduced that calendar system in the single player campaign. That basically kept the racing from going stale and you were jumping from race series to race series each week. Horizon 3 still holds a place in my heart because I'm an Australian whose biased towards Australian locals in any game. But after that game, that series went downhill. Hell, I'd say the Horizon series was going downhill before that.
Because what was missing in every other Horizon game besides the first one? A story mode. And boss fights in a racing game. You don't really get in later Horizon games. As for this newer Forza Motorsport, it's not exactly gearing me up towards excitement. Oh, and that "damage model" this game seems proud of? It looks like weak sauce. Damage modelling in racing games haven't reached the same intensity compared to games like GRID Motorsport, Project CARS 2 or, hell, even the Need for Speed Shift series had better crash damage.
I preferred Forza 4 as everything after was too generic and streamlined. I wish Microsoft would be more competitive with Gran Turismo in the realism etc.
I am just excited for the game, as anyone who's into racing games shoud be. We don't get many track racers like this. Looking forward to tomorrow.
Even if previous iterations in the series had more content, more freedom, and weren't games as a service titles?
Tomorrow? Oh there's paid early access...
@@Mr_Tokontoday if you fly to New Zealand.
Should be? Not if you want a simulator because this game certainly isn't one.
@@EarthIsFlat456 sure, but then you have no reason to be disappointed to begin with because this game, as well as GT7 btw, were never for you.
To me, racing games are good for a very specific type of gamer, and if you're not that specific person you might not like it as much as a car enthusiast would. But Forza Motorsports seems like a very good game at what it's geared toward but is a very safe and reserved game. Fun to play, and isn't cluttered with micro-transactions. I respect it
Thanks Karak. I'm still very interested in this game but that upgrade system is part of what's putting me off buying it at launch, instead I'm giving it a month of GamePass first. I like the idea of upgrading cars individually but locking those upgrades behind levels is a negative. Hopefully it'll play better than it sounds on paper.
This is the way.
I'm waiting until it's on a deep sale, don't have time for that unnecessary "CarPG" mechanic and hope that it get's punted out right along with the idiot(s) that came up with it.
@@Blur4strike I think that's the right move. I'm playing it with a month of Game Pass now and I don't think I'll be buying it when that's done. There's not a huge amount there and it all gets very repetitive quite quickly (in career mode). The upgrade system isn't as bad as some made out but it's not good either, far too restrictive. It's almost like driver skill plays no part because you start from scratch with every car.
Then there's optimisation issues on PC. The racing itself can be sorted but FPS is all over the place even above 60fps and the menus/cutscenes are a crap show. I'm definitely waiting for more content and a good sale.
Funny, I'm looking forward to upgrade each individual cars.
Yeah that IS funny
Yawn, don't you have some negative twitch streamer to watch or something. You're all so predictable and lame.
Can't wait for this! I've been "prepping" by putting laps in on Assetto Corsa and Assetto Corsa Competizione over the last week or so. So many good sims out there right now... I'm always happy to see another one enter the mix.
Forza is more acrade than a sim.
@zarbon700 I agree... it's more sim-lite. After having played good sims... Motorsport should be a cakewalk lol.
@@zarbon700Yes, but also no.
It's plenty sim if you play with a controller. Like most people do.
This is not a sim, it's miles below them
@@zarbon700It's just as much sim as GT7. iracing has been my sim of choice the last 4 months and after adjusting the ffb settings Forza actually feels really good. The physics are also a huge improvement over FM7. I can't play on controller anymore so ffb, and physics was make or break for me on this game and im very surprised and impressed. I know how many of my fellow sim racing enthusiasts can be snobs and elitists but if GT7 is realistic enough for you to play so is this new forza. But then again I enjoy "sim-lite" games just as much as the harcore racing sims
Tying upgrades to car level kind of reminds me of Starfield making you complete a challenge before leveling a perk. Ends up just feeling like a mobile game-y way to get you to play longer. Makes me wonder if Xbox isn't pushing devs to find ways to squeeze more play time out of players, might be a negative effect of the subscription model.
Yup, I don't like the trend, and its been pushing me towards PS more and more. I just want a good game, not a game designed around monetary systems. Just charge more if you need to, but make it a good game!
@@af4396No this has to do with a better progression system where you learn a car before upgrading it instead of buying the best cars off the get go.
People liked both and you can't make everyone happy.
I’m actually looking forward to this. Haven’t played a Motorsport since the 360 days. This one looks great!
It only looks great, and even that is not always the case
30 hours played. It IS good.
Couldn’t sleep and I get this lovely notification let’s go!!!
Same. Lol!
Right? Perfect timing
No race cars in career mode makes this game a non-starter for me. I had hoped that a game with “Motorsport” in the title would be more focused on race cars and the long history of motorsports as well as different types of race cars, from open wheel to sports cars and prototypes. I have no interest in racing road cars on racetracks-been there, done that.
Apart from the fact that there are no real race cars in career mode, the successive championships are far too similar, so that there is hardly any sense of progress. Also, the upgrade system doesn't work for me at all the way Turn10 wants it to. Because you need a new car for each championship and the championships are far too short to completely upgrade a car, you don't really build a relationship with your car as Turn10 intended.
2 reviews in one day! I don't know how you do it Karak, but keep up the awesome work!
I really really liked forza 7 aside from the campaign progression. Everything I’ve read and seen of this edition sounds very promising. I’m looking forward to playing later tonight or tomorrow.
I enjoyed the last one enough on my racing rig, don't have that anymore so not sure how I'm feeling about this. Progression has always been an issue for me with Forza games. But it's on gamepass so I'll def be checkin it.
If IGN hired ACG, they'd immediately be a respected outlet again
IGN is garbage
They would have to fire some people, too
He’s doing good.
@@roytore5062 some, or all?
Because he's 1 guy. People have a sense of his opinions and tastes. IGN have a number of staff, so you're always getting a mixed bag of opinions from IGN, hence the review scores all over the place and occasional L take.
I just don't see how a game that is supposed to represent motorsport doesn't even allow you to properly experience motorsport. Classes are not fleshed out enough, no qualifying, and lack of actual racing series.
I just think Forza Motorsport advertising and marketing is way off to what the actual game is. It is the series that got me into real life racing and more hardcore sims, but once you take that dive this game just loses its appeal completely.
It feels impossible to find a racing game that represents motorsport properly while also being a good game. Most sims are terrible underdevelop games while FM may be good as a game, but is terrible as a simulator of actual motorsport.
Online races have qualifying
This looks good. May have to give this a shot. Not sure about that upgrade system though.
Grinding levels for each car is gonna drop the player count, had a chance to be the best racing game and they blew it, the fact that the car sound in far cam and cockpit cam sound pretty much the same is a massive let down too. Man i miss Forza 4.
i have 3 copies of fm4 & 2 & 3.......just incase the dvd drive eats em.
Horray for PC emulators !
I am tired of ALL these new games since around 2014 on ward.............ALL Garbage !
Does it get VR Support ? I can not find a information on steam.
Love these reviews and it kinda makes me wanna try the new forza game with a steering wheel.
Im trying today with a wheel in 11 hours ..
ACG is a solid reviewer but personally I consider him the gold standard for racing game critique. Been anticipating this review as much as the game.
The leveling up system is making me understand how the parts of the car change the physics, and it is making me learn to finally fine tune the car. But I Im the typical weirdo happy just with a car and a track for hours. So they should make a fast track mode for more normal people.
500 cars is not a plus for a sim. You can be sure how much fine tuning each car got is not enough for a sim like game.
this looks good per usual, but I'm about to start skipping these games that ship w/o couch co-op/split screen. Unacceptable for a racing title. The devs keep claiming that pushing the new engine is making split screen too hard, and I'm sure it is. but, I'm not buying that as a viable excuse, especially when they have so much to gain monetarily by pushing online-only multiplayer.
Finally someone on YT not using the fly-behind-noob-cam W
A tip is to buy the game on a sale. Gamepass or not, Forza licenses tend to expire and if you don't own the game its gone for good
BUY hard copies & more then 1, i have 3 copies of FM 2-4 & 2 copies of FH1-3.
I am DONE with this crap show of you PAY the maker & own NOTHING, i am Not a MMO or online gamer..........
That's music related. There is no licenced music in this one for a reason.
I race cars in real life and I'm about to pick up my copy in like 5 minutes. It has over 700 cars and this time the Challenger/Charger is represented properly now. You better believe my car is in this! I can't wait until that giant install fille is done and I'm whipping around in my SCAT Challenger doing things that would see me in cuffs if I did it in my real one!
This new Forza overall is better but after playing it quite often maybe even too much I'm left unsatisfied. Infact it gives me the urge to play GT7. Honestly I know GT7 has it's flaws an all like every game has, but I'm going back too it. Forza while it's better in someways just doesn't scratch my itch for me.
@ACGreviews What do you think about all those low/midrange items in racing games that never get used, because people directly spend their ingame cash upgrading the new car to the max? Do you think upgrades have any use in racing games as is, or should tuning be enough as everyone just think they want car upgrades but in reality just want the best parts from the getgo and tune a bit to find their preferred setup?
Oops I don’t think this was meant to be scheduled at 12am😅
Might just be me, but looking at the speedometer in some of the shots and comparing it to how fast the cars seemed to be going, it feels like the cars are going a lot slower than they should be?
I understand not wanting someone to skip the part where they learn the stock version of a car and build it up versus just buying all the upgrades for it, but this might not be the best way to force that. I would think of maybe a challenge system, similar to GT7's license tests, where you have to do well in a lower classed race or tournament with your car before unlocking the next "tier" of upgrades.
I love how it feels like a modern version of forza 4, tho the individual car leveling up for parts is annoying, I think they had an affinity system in forza 4 for the car brand, idk if it unlocked anything tho maybe cheaper parts but i think it was mainly a progress tracker for the brands of cars you like.
12:11 I don't know why but this made me laugh more than it should've. Thank you
I'm still waiting for GT4 like career (that includes GT7) and this upgrade system is a huge minus for me, to the point that I've just canceled my pre-order and was really looking FW to have something like this outside of PS eco system, when i don't want hardcore stuff but just enjoy real cars with simcade driving model.
I heard you need to be online to enjoy a majority of the game and if you want to save your progress you'll need to be online too.
If it's true people need to be aware of this. It's just going to be another GT7 and I was really hoping it wasn't.
This will be the first time I've tried a racing sim. Hope its fun
It is a good driving game but not a great racing game.
The racing lacks adrenaline or a sense of competition.
It lacks the grid adrenaline and racing feel. Feedback is ok but it lacks the race feel. Grid had it. Project cars 3 even had a race feel. Although it failed in other area.
The upgrade system is definitely a decision made by committee.
It's an artificial extension to game time.
100% it was to "drive player retention" by some suit, I have a feeling it will do the opposite effect. Most people will just chase the meta car and upgrade that, ignoring most of the others.
True, but so many players seem to complain these days if games are not artificially extended out and a "grind."
they looked at war thunder and said "i want that." clearly fucked in the head
I disagree, a racing RPG game is fuckin cool. Makes you understand the nuances of each car and actually commit to learning the way it handles and drives. Upgrading a shitbox to compete and then scraping buy to earn a new and better one. Makes you appreciate it more. The sense of accomplishment is much more rich I feel like
No it isn't. It's good.
It also stops money glitching even mattering.
"Shoemaker-Levy levels of chaos". ...deep cut.
my favorite thing in Horizon is picking up a random car I find interesting and playing with the customization. Then cruise and race...Sadly, here we wont be able to do that with this career progression system
We need a game like this but with a lot more sht boxes / k cars / city cars and old dtm cars along with the road going versions like the opel calibra dtm and calibra turbo and the fwd v6 version. Im sick of super and hyper cars. That doesn't mean it shouldn't have them i just think it shouldn't be the focus of the game
For me the things I hate most is the stiff steering animation in cockpit view and even with "simulation steering" the game still constantly try to conter-steer. I want NO steering assist. Also a setting for steering linearity/gamma and speed would be nice. (That's with a Xbox controller)
I don’t understand any of the decisions behind this game, the early Forza games would be almost entirely new car rosters each game. I feel like I’ve seen these same cars since Forza MS 5 on Xbox one
I played the heck out of Forza Horizon 4 & 5 but this doesn’t look interesting at all. I already have Gran Turismo 7, and honestly I don’t see this game improving on that at all. This game should have come out in 2024. This year is just too stacked for an average racer.
They clearly aimed for a more competitive game with this Forza. Career grinding forces you to learn the cars and tracks so you're not ruining everyones day in MP.
this is something they could actually take from FFXIV, to hit a middle ground. The highest lvled car have the full xp requirement to level up, but every car with lower level benefit a x2 xp multiplier.. letting you catch up quickly to the progression you had with the first car you had, but once you pass the level of that car, youre back down to lvling without the multiplier.
Better than Gran Turismo? Looks like it might be! Gonna give this s try on Gamepass tomorrow.
I’d be happy if it were very similar to GT7. I hope the car economy is better than GT7, but I play these games so much it’s really a nonissue for me. I always end up with plenty of money to buy what I want.
Depends what you think is long standing. GT7 has really improved its weekly races over the last few months and it does seem to play better than Forza. GT7 for all its flaws always is superior in detail and gameplay when it comes to console gaming.
The gamepass version doesn't incude the 5 day early access tho, does it?
@@Khozai no. Pay for that
@@Khozai Nearly always there is an upgrade DLC thing costing $20-30 or whatever that upgrades your GP version to the "play early" version - I would be surprised if this doesn't have that like SF before it.
All assists off, manual transmission, it plays amazing
Very true
So would u recommend it or wait for sale
Wait for a sale
Do the cars feel like they’re on rails? Rubber banding when far ahead or behind?
Do you just start in the back every time and easily pass up to 4th and then it’s challenging or are all the cars a very similar talent and more competitive with each other too?
No the cars don't feel on rails at all. You will have to really try and dial in uour inputs and driving techniques to get fast lap times when you first get a car until you can get actual race tires. The ai is decent. Better than GT7 by leagues but no where near as good as iracing or ams2. It is pretty funny sometimes because they really try and get ahead of each other and end up taking themselves and other cars out. Adds a sense of realism. Atleast more realistic than ai that just follows each in a straight line and never leaves their pre-determined path. You practice before each race and you will see the lap times between you and all the opponents. You choose where you start. You cab set yourself in the position you actually qualified or you cab set yourself farther back to get a bigger bonus if you win. It's not bad actually. The races feel like actual races and not starting the race in a line with the lead car 45 seconds ahead, and 1/4 of a lap ahead.
Game looks great, but the filmic effect/filter makes the game look arcady to me.
Apart from the fact that there are no real race cars in career mode, the successive championships are far too similar, so that there is hardly any sense of progress. Also, the upgrade system doesn't work for me at all the way Turn10 wants it to. Because you need a new car for each championship and the championships are far too short to completely upgrade a car, you don't really build a relationship with your car as Turn10 intended.
500 cars? 800 upgrades? Yikes. Say hello to only using forza aero..
Microsoft's move away from VR is disappointing
Wonder of some of the changes we're made in an attempt to increase player retention hours since it's basically free to play with gamepass
The fact that there is no Touring/High Performance Vehicles competitions in Forza motorsport's carrier kills me from inside, because bro if u have like 600 cars in the game and only 7 competitions in the game, what kind of sense does that have?
Been looking forward to review of this. I had a racing itch recently after playing the The Crew Moterfest open weekend and installed Horizon 4 (owned for a long time but never played) as I had enjoyed Horizon 5 when I had Gamepass. I can safetly say I am over this "festival" style racer as I wanted to just take out normal cars and learn tracks like the good old days and I think Motorsport will do that for me.
I really wish Forza improved the vehicle damage! Something like the Dirt and Grid series games would be amazing. The collision physics annoy me too. That’s why I almost always play solo on an empty track and drive for lap times 😄
You haven't played this one much have you? (or at all)
Plenty new damage physics (30 hours played)
Im going to try this out on game pass before deciding if I want to buy it. Lots coming out soon on GP including city skyline 2
i dont like creativity void games, formula to the teeth not allowing any form of imagination = archons black cube moon matrix
Unfortunately with all the good the game does it goes absolutely no where with the car leveling. 500+ cars in the game and if you want to modify them and get all the mods you have to get them to level 50. Way too much grinding for me when I just wanna cut some laps with mates and build street/race cars. I think it will force a lot of people out of the game
welcome to the future of gaming, it's no longer free time to have FUN but now it's like a job.
Thumbs down to this new system of gaming where you waste time instead of just having fun.
I'll keep playing my old games on CD,DVD & steam.
Personally i love the built not bought aspect of the game. I enjoy driving stock cars and earning the parts for them. Its made me enjoy this forza more than the rest with that alone.
I wish the presentation and race car driver atmosphere and feelings were the main dish. These games are just too plain.
It can feel clinical for sure
Freaking stoked for this game
Saying Forza is a racing sim (and F1 and GT for that matter), is like saying Call of Duty is a war sim. It's more sim-like than some other titles (like Need for Speed) but it's not really comparable to true racing sims (like iRacing). That's not to say it can't be fun and enjoyable and even challenging though! I have a lot of fun with F1 and (to a lesser extent) GT myself, and F1 can be quite challenging indeed. GT can be challenging too, but only if you introduce some custom rules for yourself, like going from back to front with a lap limit in a much worse car on the highest difficulty setting without going off-track or colliding with anyone.
5:11
Did the Forza games always have the "make a suggestion" option?
I wish more games had this
After getting so used to GT7 in VR, I feel like almost any other flat experience won't do it for me like it used to - at least not in the sim/like space anyway
Yeah it’s really fun. Just not worth putting a headset on to do a few races for me personally. Maybe on psvr3 it’ll be there with gt8 haha. Just glasses or something.
VR is fun, but you also get used to it to the point that it's not novel anymore. I've haven't touch my VR headset in over a year, lol... At one point I actually thought it had taken over my love of "flat" gaming. Not even close.
I agree with this sentiment wholeheartedly. GT7 in VR is transformative.
Triple screens are still superior but that will never be possible on consoles
@@naterod that is a blatant 1000% lie.
But ... the big question, is it better than motorsport 4. That game alone has me considering a used Xbox 1
unless you have a xbox 360 or PC emulator good luck cause i been waiting for back compat since xbone was announced ...........fm6 & 7 are still good but not for sale any more cause MS wants to push this waste of time crap like it's a rpg.
I haven’t played the game yet but based on this review and others I’ve watched it seems like the car leveling system is Forza version of the GT license system. Which is why I don’t play GT I liked Forza because you could literally jump in pick the car you want start racing and saving credits to buy upgrades for your cars or just buy faster cars. I get Turn10 is calling this a carpg but I hope this doesn’t take away from the fun of what made Forza Motorsport so great for all these years.
Driving model is solid but everything else is so bland. There is no style, no good music, no enjoyable career mode. Nothing.
Wait until FM has more cars, then buy on sale
Thank god its on game pass
EXACTLY, no wonder MS keeps removing older titles to push out WASTE your time titles that are no longer fun but feels like a job away from your job.
"More wheel support than never before" hahahahaha. No official support for T80 wheels. Spent 3 hours trying to setup my wheel and no luck. The controls are straight horrible for me.
Turned into an online-only GAAS, lack of tracks, stupid A.I., etc. After the dud that was Redfall, the disappointment that was Starfield, it's worrying that Forza Motorsport has so many issues. Microsoft first-party continues to miss.
the thing is, after GT7 in VR. no flat screen racing game will be able to do it for me.
PC has access to best VR sets and gfx power. Nice try.
@@budala1969 what did a single thing in my comment have to do with that whatsoever? Are you ok?
@@budala1969 Actually delusional lol
I never like rewind or reset feature in sim racing, if you spin the car 180 degree, put an effort to turn your car around.Learn from your mistakes to move on, that's motorsport (and life in general) all about.
Then don't use it.
Too often... gamers think they are the only audience that counts. Good thing for these studios is...alot of us weren't into Forza or racing games in general 😅 this is new to alot of us. Pretty cool game TBH
Agreed man. That is a line that I try to take with every review. A bit of OLD GAMER a bit of BRAND NEW gamer, maybe some returning gamer
Just a heads up to those who are unaware. If you buy this game, you are only buying a demo pass to the cars and tracks. Saving progress and accessing the unfinished career mode is locked behind a server connection (We may as well call it the content pass). Once the server goes offline, so does your content pass and with it your ability to access most of the game's features.
Can you provide any further information on this? How do you know the campaign is unfinished?
@@dondelladadski
Here's the text from the support page, I'd link it directly but TH-cam won't let me:
"Players who have fully installed Forza Motorsport can create their own single-player races in Free Play even if they aren't always connected online.
Free Play includes a comprehensive collection of cars, tracks, and options so you can customize the racing to your liking including time-of-day and weather conditions.
An online connection is required to save your progress in Free Play. This is because the car-building mechanic is a primary driver of the in-game economy for all of Forza Motorsport - to help us ensure the security and fairness of the game for everyone, we’ve opted to make progression server-based, which will require an online connection.
You also need to be connected online to access other parts of the game like the Builders Cup Career Mode, which is designed to evolve and expand overtime - we'll be regularly introducing new championships and events, as well as pulling in your friends’ Drivatars and cars to your single-player experience."
So in short, saving progress is locked behind a server connection, only some of the cars and tracks are accessible without a server connection and the "evolving" single player career (which also requires a server connection) means it's unfinished and they are using corporate jargon to make it sound less bad and pass it off as something revolutionary. We've been able to have perfectly good career expansions for years in the form of well... expansion packs, which unless for an MMO, have pretty much all been perfectly playable without a server connection.
@@Reds-Retros YES, this is why i will be skipping this edition like i did with fm5, this is ALL garbage take your $$$ & run kind of BS. Man i am so pissed off waiting for this game & this is what we get for waiting........FOOK new games if this is what we're getting these days.
Forza always been #1 they just took long dev cycle this time. The only reasons people stopped playing FM7 because car rammers that didn't get fixed until near the end of FH4.
FM7 overall was the breaking point where they tried to make it feel like Horizon. I highly prefer FM6 over FM7 so I might be bias, but FM7's dad music turned me off bug time.
I hope they've addressed ramming / toxic driving in MP in FM8.
Later you can probably skip upgrade blocks by paying real money.
Guaranteed! Or buy upgraded cars all together.
Motorsport don't do that and they want us to build slowly and work our way up building and tuning the cars this is more career oriented
They had MTX planned for Forza Motorsport 7, and due to the backlash, removed it entirely. This isn't GT or The Crew 😂
@@MeganeMondeoMX5 That initial (deserved) backlash at launch aside - GT7 really isn't that much of a MTX hungry game now. They've been supporting it with constant free updates and you can earn about 2m credits by grinding Tokyo Expressway 600pp with a clean race bonus for just over an hour anyway.
MS have already said there will be no MTX. What you can expect is car packs down the road as with FH5
The new upgrade system pretty much ruins the games upgrade dynamic for me. Personally this feels like one of the worst decisions Forza has ever made as it’s such a big part of Forza in general.
No, homogenization in the last game that forced each car into a single class and forced you to use cars from a limited selection for each race was the worst design decision. You couldn't form an attachment to any car, or even a set of them.
Honestly, I've been a forza motorsport fan ever since I played the first one I was so excited to play this one. I had High Hopes for it but now, because of the decisions they made it feels like this one is gonna flop...
wait, so you've to put racing time into a car before you are 'allowed' to spend your earned credits upgrading it?
Oof.
Each car too! Even if it's a duplicate - 2 of the same Mustangs for example. Rank both up independently
I can see them having to change that,alot of racers seemed to be put off because of this decision
It's fine. Sounds worse than it is. People need to play for themselves and use their own brain instead of pre judging and listening to a youtuber. I love it (30 hours played)
Microtransaction?
That's what scares me. It looks like even if you earn the car, with transactions kitting it out could temp you to spend hundreds+ per car, if they exploit the gamer.
No MTX in this game - already confirmed by MS. Plus all tracks will be free DLC. There may be car packs down the road though.
Can Not Wait! The progression is really dumb and will probably cut my playtime but still going to play the hell out of this. Great Review!
How are the micro-aggressions? In Forza 7 they popped up a lit with mods etc.
I much prefer this career mode to that of pretty much any racing game over the past decade or so.
Sadly, I can’t go back to „flat“ racing games after GT on the PSVR2. It spoiled everything else for me. Thanks for the review Karak!
Im a gt7 guy but i had more fun on forza and the car list makes me happy
Im hoping this can give me and my pc friends some casual fun racing together
Let’s goo! I already paid for my early access so I’m ready to go! Give me good news Karak. Lol
The car level up system is the worst about the game. When i get a new car i just create a long event after that the car should be at a decent level. Then you can upgrade and go back to your regular series