I absolutely love the joy of you two, basically going, "Oh, that's neat!" back and forth. Friendliness, happiness to learn from each other, and a great amount of respect. So much nicer than dealing with hyper competitive types. Also, always very happy to have people reminded that when a knife is in play against you, you're -very- likely to be end up cut, no matter what. Rather than people going, "With our system, a knife is useless against us!" junk. Thanks for all the useful information and the fun of watching you two. :)
@@inside_fighting The awesomeness is I keep seeing the same sort of thing from video to video as I go through your stuff. ^_^ I definitely look forward to seeing more, and I deeply enjoy how informative the explanations on things are. Thanks for your efforts and the folks who agree to do them with ya!
I wish for you that you will experience that kind of training too. It is not easy to find training partners who can do that, once you have the experience the skill and finds someone likewise it is - well let me tell you about one trainng session with a partner I used to train with for a long time: We met like 1930 in the park. Began doing stuff experimenting, altering the techhiques a bit exploring if there were better ways and so on. At around 2330 we were like - it is getting late, wanna go eat somewhere?
One of the best martial arts channels online. I'm shocked you don't have more subscribers. I've done some Kali when I took JKD. I'm not sure what type it is considered. I watched a show I believe it was on the History channel. Two men traveled around the world and experimented with different martial arts. I saw them sparing using Kali in the Philippines. It didn't seem as technical as what we did in practice. Seemed a lot like two guys just wailing sticks at each other. Does a lot of what you're doing work at full speed? I'm just curious, I'd like to pick it up again and start training.
Yes a lots of it works at full speed because it's a sparring based system. It doesn't look as clean but it definitely makes a difference for how you fight.
I really like these live comparative videos. It really lays out the similarities and differences in a way that’s easier to understand for those who are looking to decide which to study.
I first encountered Pekiti Tirsia in the late 70's here in San Diego. It blew me away that they used a pretty long stick /knife for some really close range attack/defense methods...
This is amazing coach! I was wondering the differences between the two styles! Man this is amazing! Pencack Silat vs Doce Pares next? Or Yaw Yan style dirty boxing vs Pannantukan? Amazing video coach!
ALL THE FMAs!!! 💙💙💙 EDIT: Ok, now finished watching instead of straight reaction joygasm 😆 Execllent discussion and analyses as usual. Awesome to see how much the systems share, but how a "bladed"mindset slightly alters the "stick/competition" mindset. Maybe not necessarily the "techniques," but the mindsets (cut vs crash). Coupled with the silat influences (obviously since kali is from Southern Philippines) truly showcase the beauty of all FMA 💙 MUCH love to you both as we continue to explore and spread the art together!
Can’t wait for the next “when worlds collide” martial arts collab. Seeing such open minded experts willing to get together and touch hands and show off what they know truly is a beautiful sight.
The shin to shin trip / take down is something we did in Wing Chun a lot, thus that back leg heavy, front foot turned in stance. We didn't have the continuation where we went to the ground and did the leg lock or shin grind though, however I wish we did do that. And a lot of stepping on the foot.
The similarities are there but the nuances in each strike and the subtly of self-defense vs sport application from the 2 is amazing could do a whole series on just comparing the two styles
I'm mostly trained in pekiti, but I have a friend who's trained in doce pares and he's been showing me a few nuggets. I love the elbow boxing stuff, I want to do more of that in my training.
Great video, I love seeing the comparison of these two styles. In the future I would love to see you do similar videos on Lameco Escrima, Heyrosa Escrima, and the Dog Brothers (most of their techniques are from Pekiti Tirsia). I love the knife fighting methods from Lameco escrima, the extremely fast close-range sparring of Heyrosa, and the practical full-contact sparring methods of the Dog Brothers that are well-known in underground real stickfighting competitions. 😀
Cool video, I recently bought your doce pares instructional and am really loving it so far! It is extremely fascinating coming from mainly empty hand styles to see the weapons based stuff!
Very nice video, I have heard that Leo Gaje also learned from the Canetes, maybe thats why there are alot similarities in the systems. I train, and teach De Campo 1-2-3 Original. You both are very enthusiastic and nice teachers, I would train with both you, if I was in the area.
I agree with the doce pares more sports oriented that's why when I learned pikiti tersia kali I immediately feel Inlove with it and it's really more combat oriented, in the Philippines that's what our army mandatory hand to hand combat training....
In case anyone is wondering about Pekiti Tirsia Kali ( PTK) I am posting this comment to fill in a few gaps from the conversation and demonstration seen in the video. I am a 15 year student of PTK and a 7 year instructor so my intent is not to be critical, but help if there are any questions about PTK that I would have had if I had watched this as a curious prospective or new student. 1) PTK has an original and authentic training methodology known as the Doce Methodos ( 12 Methods). This is what most people have trained or some version of it. 2) What do I mean by a version of it? Many of the first and second generation Tuhons who trained directly with GT Leo T Gaje are on record saying that GT Gaje encouraged them to add to the system. This is why you may see different teaching or drills from one instructor than you do another. This is also why you may see different principles. For example, in this video the PTK instructor Carlos used a punch as an option. Yes, you can punch in combat, but historically speaking PTK, as GT Gaje leaned it from his Grandfather and taught many students around the world, did not use punches. They only used open hand slapping. Grappling is also something you see in today’s PTK. People have added in BJJ to their PTK curriculum, but that was never taught. 3) Regarding the above statement, PTK has within it ( as does other Kali systems) what is called Dumog. Dumog is commonly called grappling, but it is not grappling in the sense that we are used to in today’s commercial martial arts. While Dumog consists of controls and locks, what Dumong actually is is power striking into a take down. In other words, the bone or joint that you are locking up should already have been broke or severely damaged prior to the persons body landing on the ground. 4) PTK is a complete system. What does this mean? This means that if you learn it as it was originally taught without additions, you are learning the comprises whole of many centuries of combative experience from a time wherein the blade was the weapon of decision that governed all strategy and tactics. PTK is said to have been “ perfected” in 1898. There is some speculation as to what the perfection meant regarding training methodologies, but it is likely the addition of the bayonet to the rifle and the usage of that as needed. Using a rifle and bayonet as an impact and edged weapon if a firearm is out of battery is also taught in the original PTK. 5) As mentioned in point number 1, PTK teaches the Doce Methodos. This contains ( provided in numerical order) Abecidario and multiple attack form, Quattro cantos ( four walls), Payong ( umbrella), Dakup y punyo ( grab and close quarter attack drill) , Tirsia Corto, Tirsia Largo, Pananstas Sungkete, Orrason, Florette Echekete, Pekiti Disarma, Pekiti Pekiti, and finally the Seguidas. These 12 methods teach you everything you need to know about single and double sword fighting, sword and dagger, and impact weaponry( stick). While learning this you also learn the knife which is directly correlated to Pekiti Pekiti and Pekiti disarma. These methods are also based upon the principle of weapon to weapon contact. Upon mastery you learn the advanced flow of weaponry called the Contradas. This is when both weapons are on the same side of the centerline and you do not need to touch your opponent’s weapon to engage them. It is also the superior method of fighting and shows the superiority of the number 1 and number 2 diagonal attacks from Tirsia corto and Tirsia largo. Upon completion of the contradas you learn the recontras and the recontradas. These are more in depth to explain and difficult without a physical demonstration however, keeping in line with geometry and the flow of weaponry, while the contradas display the superiority of the number 1 and 2 diagonal, the recontras are a circular flow and the recontradas control the vertical centerline.
So beautiful.. i would say a lot of things here quickly my background is wing tsun(the german/hongkong) and small Pekiti straight from Bacolod city with Guru Chavez• I never thought i would sit down and just watch enjoying this things.. listen man more of this seriously..for those people who understand it enjoyed it a lot.. i suggest get some ice cream or tea watching this..
Thanks man! I’m glad that people who understand the subtleties of what we are doing can appreciate them. You would love training with sifu Milos if you didn’t see that video it’s worth checking out
@@inside_fighting also that leg binding in wing tsun it is taught only in high level student because it is very simple but very advanced in concept..so that was very satisfying to see. In wing tsun we call that Chi Gerk•
Great to see the collaboration! PTK seems to have taken their art in a tacticool direction, whereas Doce Pares is all about the WEKAF. In seminars, SGM Diony would teach bits of the "1947" historical style of Doce Pares. Does PTK keep any of its historical style?
Yea both Pekiti Tirsia & Doce Pares are great systems. Both have similarities. Doce Pares have 12 attacks 12 blocks and 12 counters but it doesn't mean it just stop there. All those 12s could extend limitless thats depending on those experts informations. Doce Pares was founded by 20 over different masters, I believe people see things differently. While Pekiti Tirsia, yea they do blocks, parry and attack but speaking of block and parry seems not much obvious. They just attack attack and attack in different angle til they get it in a mili seconds. In my experience some Pekiti Tirsia masters only believe in less counter and more attack. Well again, it depending on the masters and coaches. Love this video. Peace
Wait! Wait! Where's all the "I'm not ducking. You're ducking! I will fight you but only at a police training academy with special Death Match Waivers and a police colonel and three trauma surgeons and a priest in attendance. And it has to be on the second Wednesday after St. Swithin's day and the loser will be fed to crocodiles"? That's what I was led to expect after the FMA Style Wars of the late 90s. Good Lord, am I glad those mostly ended. Seriously, great video
Kalis Illustrisimo Escrima is the superior FMA bladed system. As it's based upon Spanish La Destreza Esgrima This was interesting video brother. Shalom
I will disagree that KI Escrima is the superior FMA bladed system. It's an awesome system and was the best system for Antonio Illustrisimo but is it the best system for everybody? No. In PTK you have Tim Waid claiming that his interpretation of PTK is the only authentic one. Is that true? No. They are all awesome systems and people need to find what's best for them.
@@inside_fighting I remember you mentioning your acting career, that’s why I asked about choreography. That’s awesome, like motion capture for the video game?
Great vidio. I train under master (Z) Zack whitson's Counterpoint Tactical System (CTS) and it draw heavily from both pakiti and cacoy. I think you'd have a blast
beautiful flow, wish i had access to it from here, flow drills are the same in every system, they are the "what ifs".. to help your brain have a database of options. Not reality per say but it gives your brain options to choose from as it recognizes position and scenario the more you train the faster your brain finds these clues to create response. Cheers
The only real issue I have, as a weapon based martial artist, is not getting sloppy and deflecting the "blade" of the stick with your hand since that is supposed to translate into edged fighting. The rest of it is educational. It's always interesting to see the similarities and differences in how we all hit each other.
Pekiti Tirsia Arnis (aka Pekiti Tirsia Kali) came from Leo Gaje Jr training Eddie Jaffir Silat and Tortal family Arnis which he put together and first publicly taught it as Pekiti Tirsia Arnis then later renamed it Pekiti Tirsia Kali because of influence from friendship with Dan Inosanto. Leo Gaje Jr much later added the voodoo / witchcraft , chicken blood sacrifices, anting anting, protective rocks and skulls after his return to the Philippine Islands from training in the USA. The origin backstory that Leo Gaje Jr tells about it being his grandfather's family art is pure fiction. But fiction sells better than non-fiction.
All that you stated is pure bullshit, it always was ptk BTW and it's the tortal family system so do you're research more carefully and stop lieing to people.
@@Iwillsurvive115I trained in NYC many years ago with guys who’d trained with Leo Gaje and they called it P.T. Arnis. Like many martial arts, coming up with mythical stories helps to sell and the Philippino martial arts are not immune to it.
@@clacicle...correct, I have a vintage magazine with Leo Gaje Jr dressed on the cover in a rice farmer hat, loose pajamas, and in the magazine he called in Pekiti Tirsia Arnis. Im old enough in the martial arts to remember these things and to have old martial arts vhs tapes and magazines as evidence of my claims. The younger generations and the more recent converts don't know what they don't know. My knowledge is all from experience long before the interweb.
@@SoldierDrew I remember seeing some of those pictures and videos of him dressed up like that. I think many of his early students rolled their eyes at that. His odd behavior also explains why he’d cycle through groups of new students every couple of years.
When i tried Wing Chun it felt like i had to unlearn fighting to do Wing Chun "correct" in my Sifus opinion Im not H8ing on the art BUT! it was a bad experience for me.. Looking at old Kung Fu pictures it seriously looks like they are wrestling much of the time.. Maybe even a forgotten art of Kung Fu Wrestling.. When it comes to Muay Thai inside leg kicks to the inside of the knee was the end of that endevour
Did not miss it… it is his introduction in to Doce pares. I’ve been training 24 years… you can’t just flow with witik and abanikos the first time you show somebody something. You can see my and my teacher doing it.
Pekiti was influenced by Doce Pares. gaje trained with the Canetes. many witnesses. the espda y daga from momoy canete carried to gaje espada y daga ptk
That's historically false. PTK has verified roots that go back to Gaje's grandfather and beyond without outside influence from a time when these systems were not public knowledge, but limited to family ties. Many of these systems intersect because they have origins that date back to before the invasion of the Spanish. Edged combat, despite systematic differences, is limited to a very precise and concise geometry.
@@inside_fighting I did. I'm rewatch it again to analzye it. So far, I'm getting that Doug Marcaida Pekiti is for street self-deference. You're looks more like inside and mid range dirty fighting. And Tre punta is for long range, The abaniki system that I learn is fast stick inside game stick. Latosa is fma on crack and illusimo idk..
@@hotpopcorncake you pretty much nailed it. Doce pares pares is very much a dirty inside fighting style the way i learned it. I have some more comprehensive videos on it on my channel showing my instructor and i training. Ilistrisimo is very much a long range sword or machete system and Pekiti is a well organized “military” style system from how i see it
@@romolodante3164 the way i was brought up in doce pares was sparring with only a headgear not even gloves. I’m also a bjj black belt and we were allowed to go to the ground 🤷🏽♂️ i know lots of the old school dog brothers guys.
Dude where do you live? I live in California, Northern California. I'm an old dude but I would love to train with you man. I love your enthusiasm for the martial arts and I think I owe you a hamburger lol😅 I would love to work with you though man. Do you have a lot of insight and you think the way that I think even though I'm old it doesn't mean anything. I would love to train with you man. Where are you based?
I’m in Florida brother 🙏🏼 if you ever come to south Florida let me know and I’ll train you. I see someone recommended mark. He’s very good. Cali is full of awesome guys but many are in LA
I prefer the videos where you interact, like this one. This has become one of my favourite channels.
This is awesome, the slight differences in style is very interesting
Yes slight differences make big differences sometimes 🤔
Love the common thread between the weaponbased and unarmed techniques
Nice to see comment, I would love to see in his video showcase aikido
I absolutely love the joy of you two, basically going, "Oh, that's neat!" back and forth. Friendliness, happiness to learn from each other, and a great amount of respect. So much nicer than dealing with hyper competitive types. Also, always very happy to have people reminded that when a knife is in play against you, you're -very- likely to be end up cut, no matter what. Rather than people going, "With our system, a knife is useless against us!" junk. Thanks for all the useful information and the fun of watching you two. :)
Really glad you enjoyed it. Carlos is awesome so it’s a treat to train with him
@@inside_fighting The awesomeness is I keep seeing the same sort of thing from video to video as I go through your stuff. ^_^ I definitely look forward to seeing more, and I deeply enjoy how informative the explanations on things are. Thanks for your efforts and the folks who agree to do them with ya!
I wish for you that you will experience that kind of training too. It is not easy to find training partners who can do that, once you have the experience the skill and finds someone likewise it is - well let me tell you about one trainng session with a partner I used to train with for a long time: We met like 1930 in the park. Began doing stuff experimenting, altering the techhiques a bit exploring if there were better ways and so on. At around 2330 we were like - it is getting late, wanna go eat somewhere?
Awesome video! There is a ton of similarities between both systems both equally as effective. Nice work fellas.
Thanks brother!
My Pikiti Tersia is a little different than Guru Carlos', but still the concepts are the same. Good stuff, can't wait to see more from him. Thanks!!
Another great video! Would like to see one on your style 😊
Thanks :)
One of the best martial arts channels online. I'm shocked you don't have more subscribers. I've done some Kali when I took JKD. I'm not sure what type it is considered. I watched a show I believe it was on the History channel. Two men traveled around the world and experimented with different martial arts. I saw them sparing using Kali in the Philippines. It didn't seem as technical as what we did in practice. Seemed a lot like two guys just wailing sticks at each other. Does a lot of what you're doing work at full speed? I'm just curious, I'd like to pick it up again and start training.
Yes a lots of it works at full speed because it's a sparring based system. It doesn't look as clean but it definitely makes a difference for how you fight.
I really like these live comparative videos. It really lays out the similarities and differences in a way that’s easier to understand for those who are looking to decide which to study.
Fantastic comparison of systems. I love what Carlos says in the beginning about the relationships of all martial arts.
I first encountered Pekiti Tirsia in the late 70's here in San Diego. It blew me away that they used a pretty long stick /knife for some really close range attack/defense methods...
It’s a great system.
You did the same thing i do in class. I want to feel a little pain simply to see how effective the technique truly is 😂😂
This is amazing coach! I was wondering the differences between the two styles! Man this is amazing! Pencack Silat vs Doce Pares next? Or Yaw Yan style dirty boxing vs Pannantukan? Amazing video coach!
Thanks man 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 glad you liked it
Informative, thanks
ALL THE FMAs!!! 💙💙💙
EDIT: Ok, now finished watching instead of straight reaction joygasm 😆
Execllent discussion and analyses as usual. Awesome to see how much the systems share, but how a "bladed"mindset slightly alters the "stick/competition" mindset. Maybe not necessarily the "techniques," but the mindsets (cut vs crash). Coupled with the silat influences (obviously since kali is from Southern Philippines) truly showcase the beauty of all FMA 💙
MUCH love to you both as we continue to explore and spread the art together!
They are all awesome
@@archangel98632 thanks so much man. Just read your edited comment!
Can’t wait for the next “when worlds collide” martial arts collab. Seeing such open minded experts willing to get together and touch hands and show off what they know truly is a beautiful sight.
Thanks man! Thats a very nice thing to say
Excellent stuff! Thanks a lot for this video! I would really like to see more about this.
Will be doing more with Carlos
@@inside_fighting I'm looking forward!👍
The shin to shin trip / take down is something we did in Wing Chun a lot, thus that back leg heavy, front foot turned in stance. We didn't have the continuation where we went to the ground and did the leg lock or shin grind though, however I wish we did do that. And a lot of stepping on the foot.
Very good! Can you do the same TRAINING DAY with Ninjutsu?? I think it would be spectacular..!!!
Wow, I loved learning about stick fighting, and then I get these gems on knowledge about takedowns and an elbow parrying drill.
Glad you enjoyed it 🙏🏼
I love these interactions and comparisons. I’d love to see some Espada y daga.
Thanks bro for this great requested video! Much love to you!! ❤❤❤❤
Hope you liked it!
I love FMA systems thanks for the content, cannot get enough.
What are your thoughts on these two systems!?? Leave a comment below :)
Absolutely BA.
The similarities are there but the nuances in each strike and the subtly of self-defense vs sport application from the 2 is amazing could do a whole series on just comparing the two styles
@@Templar357 thanks man 🙏🏼
@@Wise-Fool97 agreed. They both are awesome systems
Really liking this channel . Quality videos consistently . Would love to train with you one day .
That was really fun to watch. I'm a low level PTK guy, and it was cool to see you two picking up each others stuff so quickly.
Thanks! Carlos is awesome so was lucky to have him to share his stuff and also be so open minded about my stuff.
I'm mostly trained in pekiti, but I have a friend who's trained in doce pares and he's been showing me a few nuggets. I love the elbow boxing stuff, I want to do more of that in my training.
Great video, I love seeing the comparison of these two styles. In the future I would love to see you do similar videos on Lameco Escrima, Heyrosa Escrima, and the Dog Brothers (most of their techniques are from Pekiti Tirsia). I love the knife fighting methods from Lameco escrima, the extremely fast close-range sparring of Heyrosa, and the practical full-contact sparring methods of the Dog Brothers that are well-known in underground real stickfighting competitions. 😀
Great video. Thanks for sharing
Appreciate that!
Great video!
@@JerryDozierKanishkaCombatives much appreciated! Where’s your academy located if you don’t mind me asking?
like the analysis and explanations
Cool video, I recently bought your doce pares instructional and am really loving it so far! It is extremely fascinating coming from mainly empty hand styles to see the weapons based stuff!
@@the_martial_arts_junkie so glad you are enjoying it. I’ll make another instructional for it soon with partner training
@@inside_fighting Can't wait!
Nice ! More of those FMA Styles please 🙂
For sure!
I love pekiti tirsia kali! One of my favourite stiles!
Awesome work
🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
❤love it
Very nice video, I have heard that Leo Gaje also learned from the Canetes, maybe thats why there are alot similarities in the systems.
I train, and teach De Campo 1-2-3 Original.
You both are very enthusiastic and nice teachers, I would train with both you, if I was in the area.
Thanks so much! If you are ever in south Florida let us know and we can train 🙏🏼 Carlos is awesome
Excellent video!
@@timothyholland3013 thanks so much
Nice exchange of ideas and training.
Very informative of both styles are relatable, also Silat crossover. 🤔👍
This was a fun video. Can you talk about Lightning Scientific Arnis?
Great content 👍
Thanks man 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
I agree with the doce pares more sports oriented that's why when I learned pikiti tersia kali I immediately feel Inlove with it and it's really more combat oriented, in the Philippines that's what our army mandatory hand to hand combat training....
In case anyone is wondering about Pekiti Tirsia Kali ( PTK) I am posting this comment to fill in a few gaps from the conversation and demonstration seen in the video. I am a 15 year student of PTK and a 7 year instructor so my intent is not to be critical, but help if there are any questions about PTK that I would have had if I had watched this as a curious prospective or new student.
1) PTK has an original and authentic training methodology known as the Doce Methodos ( 12 Methods). This is what most people have trained or some version of it.
2) What do I mean by a version of it? Many of the first and second generation Tuhons who trained directly with GT Leo T Gaje are on record saying that GT Gaje encouraged them to add to the system. This is why you may see different teaching or drills from one instructor than you do another. This is also why you may see different principles. For example, in this video the PTK instructor Carlos used a punch as an option. Yes, you can punch in combat, but historically speaking PTK, as GT Gaje leaned it from his Grandfather and taught many students around the world, did not use punches. They only used open hand slapping. Grappling is also something you see in today’s PTK. People have added in BJJ to their PTK curriculum, but that was never taught.
3) Regarding the above statement, PTK has within it ( as does other Kali systems) what is called Dumog. Dumog is commonly called grappling, but it is not grappling in the sense that we are used to in today’s commercial martial arts. While Dumog consists of controls and locks, what Dumong actually is is power striking into a take down. In other words, the bone or joint that you are locking up should already have been broke or severely damaged prior to the persons body landing on the ground.
4) PTK is a complete system. What does this mean? This means that if you learn it as it was originally taught without additions, you are learning the comprises whole of many centuries of combative experience from a time wherein the blade was the weapon of decision that governed all strategy and tactics. PTK is said to have been “ perfected” in 1898. There is some speculation as to what the perfection meant regarding training methodologies, but it is likely the addition of the bayonet to the rifle and the usage of that as needed. Using a rifle and bayonet as an impact and edged weapon if a firearm is out of battery is also taught in the original PTK.
5) As mentioned in point number 1, PTK teaches the Doce Methodos. This contains ( provided in numerical order) Abecidario and multiple attack form, Quattro cantos ( four walls), Payong ( umbrella), Dakup y punyo ( grab and close quarter attack drill) , Tirsia Corto, Tirsia Largo, Pananstas Sungkete, Orrason, Florette Echekete, Pekiti Disarma, Pekiti Pekiti, and finally the Seguidas.
These 12 methods teach you everything you need to know about single and double sword fighting, sword and dagger, and impact weaponry( stick). While learning this you also learn the knife which is directly correlated to Pekiti Pekiti and Pekiti disarma. These methods are also based upon the principle of weapon to weapon contact. Upon mastery you learn the advanced flow of weaponry called the Contradas. This is when both weapons are on the same side of the centerline and you do not need to touch your opponent’s weapon to engage them. It is also the superior method of fighting and shows the superiority of the number 1 and number 2 diagonal attacks from Tirsia corto and Tirsia largo.
Upon completion of the contradas you learn the recontras and the recontradas. These are more in depth to explain and difficult without a physical demonstration however, keeping in line with geometry and the flow of weaponry, while the contradas display the superiority of the number 1 and 2 diagonal, the recontras are a circular flow and the recontradas control the vertical centerline.
So beautiful.. i would say a lot of things here quickly my background is wing tsun(the german/hongkong) and small Pekiti straight from Bacolod city with Guru Chavez• I never thought i would sit down and just watch enjoying this things.. listen man more of this seriously..for those people who understand it enjoyed it a lot.. i suggest get some ice cream or tea watching this..
Thanks man! I’m glad that people who understand the subtleties of what we are doing can appreciate them. You would love training with sifu Milos if you didn’t see that video it’s worth checking out
@@inside_fighting man I subscribed already.. i will get to see that for sure
@@inside_fighting also that leg binding in wing tsun it is taught only in high level student because it is very simple but very advanced in concept..so that was very satisfying to see. In wing tsun we call that Chi Gerk•
@@janlim1282 thanks man! Hopefully you enjoy that one. It’s one of my favorite videos
Great to see the collaboration! PTK seems to have taken their art in a tacticool direction, whereas Doce Pares is all about the WEKAF.
In seminars, SGM Diony would teach bits of the "1947" historical style of Doce Pares. Does PTK keep any of its historical style?
I’ll ask Carlos. He will know 🙏🏼
Love the video! Are you in the states?
Yes sir. I am in Florida
@@inside_fighting very cool, I am MN, pretty far away to meet up….
Yea both Pekiti Tirsia & Doce Pares are great systems. Both have similarities. Doce Pares have 12 attacks 12 blocks and 12 counters but it doesn't mean it just stop there. All those 12s could extend limitless thats depending on those experts informations. Doce Pares was founded by 20 over different masters, I believe people see things differently. While Pekiti Tirsia, yea they do blocks, parry and attack but speaking of block and parry seems not much obvious. They just attack attack and attack in different angle til they get it in a mili seconds. In my experience some Pekiti Tirsia masters only believe in less counter and more attack. Well again, it depending on the masters and coaches. Love this video. Peace
Thanks so much for the added information!
@@inside_fighting Most welcome
This was great
Thank you 🙏🏼
Sick dude. That was neat. 😉💯👈🏻
Thanks man
Wait! Wait! Where's all the "I'm not ducking. You're ducking! I will fight you but only at a police training academy with special Death Match Waivers and a police colonel and three trauma surgeons and a priest in attendance. And it has to be on the second Wednesday after St. Swithin's day and the loser will be fed to crocodiles"? That's what I was led to expect after the FMA Style Wars of the late 90s.
Good Lord, am I glad those mostly ended.
Seriously, great video
Hahahaha we did all that off camera 😂
Kalis Illustrisimo Escrima is the superior FMA bladed system. As it's based upon Spanish La Destreza Esgrima
This was interesting video brother.
Shalom
Glad you enjoyed. Some of my favorite times were trianing ilustrisimo
I will disagree that KI Escrima is the superior FMA bladed system. It's an awesome system and was the best system for Antonio Illustrisimo but is it the best system for everybody? No. In PTK you have Tim Waid claiming that his interpretation of PTK is the only authentic one. Is that true? No. They are all awesome systems and people need to find what's best for them.
Nice!!
Great video! By any chance have you ever ran into San Miguel Eskrima?(Momoy Cañete's expression of old way/style of espada y daga)
Iver never personally experienced it sadly
Ilan, have you ever done any fight choreography for television or film?
I have not. I’ve acted in a bunch of tv shows though 😅
I also did work on farcry as a character in the video game not the show.
@@inside_fighting I remember you mentioning your acting career, that’s why I asked about choreography. That’s awesome, like motion capture for the video game?
@@Rome4787 yes exactly.
Great vidio. I train under master (Z) Zack whitson's Counterpoint Tactical System (CTS) and it draw heavily from both pakiti and cacoy. I think you'd have a blast
That sounds awesome! I’m going to check it out. I like modernized hybrid fma systems. It’s more of where I’m at personally with fma as well.
beautiful flow, wish i had access to it from here, flow drills are the same in every system, they are the "what ifs".. to help your brain have a database of options. Not reality per say but it gives your brain options to choose from as it recognizes position and scenario the more you train the faster your brain finds these clues to create response. Cheers
What's the armor Phillipinos wore?
Baruti
The only real issue I have, as a weapon based martial artist, is not getting sloppy and deflecting the "blade" of the stick with your hand since that is supposed to translate into edged fighting. The rest of it is educational. It's always interesting to see the similarities and differences in how we all hit each other.
art of eskrima is one of the major important in arnis.
Pekiti Tirsia Arnis (aka Pekiti Tirsia Kali) came from Leo Gaje Jr training Eddie Jaffir Silat and Tortal family Arnis which he put together and first publicly taught it as Pekiti Tirsia Arnis then later renamed it Pekiti Tirsia Kali because of influence from friendship with Dan Inosanto.
Leo Gaje Jr much later added the voodoo / witchcraft , chicken blood sacrifices, anting anting, protective rocks and skulls after his return to the Philippine Islands from training in the USA.
The origin backstory that Leo Gaje Jr tells about it being his grandfather's family art is pure fiction.
But fiction sells better than non-fiction.
All that you stated is pure bullshit, it always was ptk BTW and it's the tortal family system so do you're research more carefully and stop lieing to people.
@@Iwillsurvive115I trained in NYC many years ago with guys who’d trained with Leo Gaje and they called it P.T. Arnis. Like many martial arts, coming up with mythical stories helps to sell and the Philippino martial arts are not immune to it.
@@clacicle...correct, I have a vintage magazine with Leo Gaje Jr dressed on the cover in a rice farmer hat, loose pajamas, and in the magazine he called in Pekiti Tirsia Arnis.
Im old enough in the martial arts to remember these things and to have old martial arts vhs tapes and magazines as evidence of my claims.
The younger generations and the more recent converts don't know what they don't know.
My knowledge is all from experience long before the interweb.
@@SoldierDrew I remember seeing some of those pictures and videos of him dressed up like that. I think many of his early students rolled their eyes at that. His odd behavior also explains why he’d cycle through groups of new students every couple of years.
Yes. Any plans of doing something with the Dog Brothers?
I’d love to. They are awesome
I believe ptk is very close and personal?
Yes it seems this way
good video
Thanks very much 🙏🏼
When i tried Wing Chun it felt like i had to unlearn fighting to do Wing Chun "correct" in my Sifus opinion
Im not H8ing on the art BUT! it was a bad experience for me.. Looking at old Kung Fu pictures it seriously looks like they are wrestling much of the time.. Maybe even a forgotten art of Kung Fu Wrestling..
When it comes to Muay Thai inside leg kicks to the inside of the knee was the end of that endevour
Brother you work quick don't waste time
I'm like lightning hahahah
Did you study Eskrido too?
@@irvinjaycarranza6828 yes it’s a part of the system. It also has a big panantukan/pangamot sub system too
You missed korto Kurbada and kahit range. Your instructor knows this
Did not miss it… it is his introduction in to Doce pares. I’ve been training 24 years… you can’t just flow with witik and abanikos the first time you show somebody something. You can see my and my teacher doing it.
Pekiti was influenced by Doce Pares.
gaje trained with the Canetes.
many witnesses.
the espda y daga from momoy canete carried to gaje espada y daga ptk
That's historically false. PTK has verified roots that go back to Gaje's grandfather and beyond without outside influence from a time when these systems were not public knowledge, but limited to family ties. Many of these systems intersect because they have origins that date back to before the invasion of the Spanish. Edged combat, despite systematic differences, is limited to a very precise and concise geometry.
“You see how annoying it gets?” Lmao!
OH snapples this gonna be interersting
Hope you enjoyed it
@@inside_fighting I did. I'm rewatch it again to analzye it. So far, I'm getting that Doug Marcaida Pekiti is for street self-deference. You're looks more like inside and mid range dirty fighting. And Tre punta is for long range, The abaniki system that I learn is fast stick inside game stick. Latosa is fma on crack and illusimo idk..
@@hotpopcorncake you pretty much nailed it. Doce pares pares is very much a dirty inside fighting style the way i learned it. I have some more comprehensive videos on it on my channel showing my instructor and i training. Ilistrisimo is very much a long range sword or machete system and Pekiti is a well organized “military” style system from how i see it
@@hotpopcorncake latosa is definitely fma on crack 😂 they jus want to break whatever they hit
@@inside_fighting 😆every time i see Latose i keep thinking about this dude. th-cam.com/video/i1c_5ltiZZ8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Gd2N-uE0x6j83Y-I
try this in a fight with Dog Brothers, to prove to us how effective it is
@@romolodante3164 the way i was brought up in doce pares was sparring with only a headgear not even gloves. I’m also a bjj black belt and we were allowed to go to the ground 🤷🏽♂️ i know lots of the old school dog brothers guys.
clearly a lot of talking in your 'fighting' style
You should come try it
@@inside_fighting u deleted my other comment? :(
@@inside_fighting are u inviting to pay for my trip to ur gym? xd
@@Danetto i did not. I don’t censor.
@@Danetto I’m not paying for your trip but you are welcome to come.
Dude where do you live? I live in California, Northern California. I'm an old dude but I would love to train with you man. I love your enthusiasm for the martial arts and I think I owe you a hamburger lol😅 I would love to work with you though man. Do you have a lot of insight and you think the way that I think even though I'm old it doesn't mean anything. I would love to train with you man. Where are you based?
Look up Mark Makita , he is in California, best I have ever seen in stick and knife . All the best .
I’m in Florida brother 🙏🏼 if you ever come to south Florida let me know and I’ll train you. I see someone recommended mark. He’s very good. Cali is full of awesome guys but many are in LA
Where in Cali? I know a lot of great people
@@kajukine Chico, California