THE DIRTIEST FIGHTING STYLE TO EVER EXIST - Can you guess what it is!!??
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Lets take a deep dive in to one of the dirtiest and most brutal systems of fighting that has ever existed. - กีฬา
It's returning to basic fighting instincts. Most animals, including great apes, our nearest relatives, bite when fighting, being that one their most powerful and deadly weapon. In "Enter the Dragon", Roper bites Bolo thus turning the table and winning the fight. A powerful, dangerous, and under rated weapon in our civilized world
If it's your absolute last resort then sure, bite...but I'd rather just carry a knife or firearm in case I have to use lethal force than risk getting some violent criminal's blood all over my mouth by biting them. God knows what they have in their bloodstream.
Martial arts were not meant to compensate for guns … so that is not a good argument
Now you should be able to hand to hand fight … knives and guns etc etc … all different disciples put together … plus the transitions…
Trained with Vunak for a few years and KM really added a lot to the ground game. Initially, when I was introduced to KM I had no idea that there was actually a method behind biting but I quickly lesrned how intricate it really is. Rather enjoyed this upload and your commentary behind it.
Me at the start of the video: are these people serious?
Me at the end of the video: holy fuck these people are legitimately dangerous
Hahahha it almost seems like satire though i agree 😂
In 2006 Paul Vunak changed my life. I quite all my traditional martial arts to study with him. Best training ever... Period. End of. He taught me the same system he taught to the US Navy Seals. Absolutely loved the kino Mutai he taught me. He learnt it from John Lacose, one of only two people. I just giggle when I see and hear all the youtubers who think they are wannabe street fighters. Compared to Vunak they are NOTHING. Vunak's training absolutely changed me in all areas of my life. I love him. He's the best!!
Rough and Tumble a.k.a. Gouging. Same could apply to Kina Motai.
Very close. I’m actually doing a video on that soon
I read about Rough and Tumble in the Boxing Manual from Colonel Monstery.
I actually borrowed some knuckle busting type techniques from that style I think. Hammer fisting people hands etc.
eye opening. your films often talk about "obvious" things, but from so refreshing angle that there's always something new to learn.
Thank you so much!
1800s American Virginian Rough and Tumble is the grittiest and most dirty fighting method I've ever read about. That said, I've read and heard the same said about both 52 Hand Blocks and the Brazilian Capoeira (as it was done in the 1800s). I've also been told that Wing Chun fighters from the Yip Man lineage were, at one time, frowned upon and called " just a bunch of dirty street fighters". (Yes. You heard me. Wing Chun. Wong Shun Leung, Duncan Leung, Lee Jun Fan, etc. THAT generation of tough boys seemed to have been the one being referred to.)
From New Zealand. Great analysis. Two thumbs up. Paul Vunak for a long time the holy grail of combative arts in the realistic setting. Nice to have featured Salvatorre Oliva as I have come across his name as one of the best in Europe. Your off-the-grid exposition is truly cutting edge.
Thank you for watching it
Yes he’s very brutal and probably under follower
I had a kid in my neighborhood growing up. Much taller and fat. We used to fight. One day he laid his fat ass belly over my head. I couldn't breathe. I bit him and took a large chunk out of his side. He ran home screaming and had to get stitches. Never underestimate the power of real street fighters, there is no tap out
Oh yea… he won’t do that again 😅
Man, we had a playground bully, where i grew up, also fat! As fat as mean! I wi'll never get the smell of his breath out of my head ( He smelled of a certain type of sausage, typical to my region of origin, which thanks to him i can't stand to this day!
Anyways, one day i finally understood, that he's going to do to me, what he did anyways, so i might as well fight back ( I was much smaller and younger than him, and this was far from obvious to me, untill i was fed up and fear turned into rage)
I somehow clawed my hand into his face, which was a simple reaction to his overwhelming mass and strength, also i'n not sure if i even knew the word fighting yet, cause, like mentioned, i was still really young and small.. It caused him a nose bleed and he started to cry. I don't know to what parts of his face i actually caused any damage, except the nose bleed, but every bully is a little pussy inside, so it might just have been the fact, that i wouldn't take any of his abusive shit anymore, that made him cry. Of course he ran hone and came back with his mom 😂
Our parents must have dealt with it somehow. He never harassed me again after that, except with the disgusting menory of his sausage breath 🤢
Mike Tyson approves!😂 Seriously, thank you, I was glued to this! 🙏👍
I feel like this video of yours is a full of pearls of hard to find wisdom about REAL self defense. My father taught me many of these concepts and techniques which he had learned from his father who was a wrestler in Europe (he wrestled underground for money). The real issue with being able to apply any of these techniques is “mindset”! You have to be willing, and able to be fierce, to inflict damage, without hesitation or remorse. Once you can pass that threshold, you find all sorts of new opportunities that even those with decades of training in traditional martial arts and sports fighting are not aware of. But street and jail fighters, that’s all they know and they will employ these tactics instinctively. That’s the lesson I learned from my father when I came home frustrated after not being able to defeat a street punk even though I was fast, strong, tough and well trained. He had never offered to teach me as I put all my time and effort on strength, endurance, hardening and martial arts. Until he saw me ready to really start learning. It could have been worse. I could have taken a knife or brick to the head or any other number of deadly attacks before he had a chance to teach me. Bottom line, you are 100% correct about your observations from this video. Except that these techniques are not uniquely Filipino in origin. It would be my humble observation and comment that Filipino styles are effective because they were conquered by multiple cultures throughout history. And, within every defeat, there can be a lesson. And learn they did. These grappling techniques, the gouges, bites, etc are as old as time itself. They are practices that can be found to be employed as far back as fighting was documented in any way and our bodies, strengths and weaknesses have not changed much thought time as our anatomy has not changed much so what worked then, still works now.
Thank you for posting your videos though. As a life long practitioner of fighting arts, I truly enjoy your comparisons and observations.
You speak the truth. Those old school grapplers were well versed in biting,gouging,fish hooks, pniches,etc,etc. This is what in fighting was all about. Along with head butts,knees,elbows,shoulder and hip checks. It does however,take a different mindset and fir that reason it can be very off-putting to most martial artists and traditionally taught fighters.
@@warlord2pfa Exactly! That’s what separates martial arts from self defense and self defense from combat (fighting with controlled abandon to disable, maim or kill as necessary, no fucks given).
Good old country style, Southern US, Rough and Tumble. Paused at 20 seconds. Described in "A boy named Sue". "Well, maybe I've fought tougher men, but I really can't remember when, he kicked like a mule and he bit like a crocodile" "We fell into the street, kickin' and a gougin in the mud and the blood and the beer".
I basically agree with everything you say. With one exception, namely "kinomutai teaches you'. Taking the right position do needs to be taught, biting itself is quite self-explenatory.
Biting, eye gouging are very-very simple. No 'teaching' required. Every person can, assuming they are in the right mindset. Even children, drunk people, mentally disabled people, very-very disturbed people can. I would even say the more mental the guy is, the more dangerous the bite itself (not the position).
Yeah biting is pretty self explanatory this is more about when you should do those things and more importantly when you shouldn’t.
Great Great Channel and especially great video on Kino Mutai!! As a Senior Instructor under Sifu Paul Vunak and a Brown Belt In BJJ, Your representation and explanations were spot on!!!
Really enjoyed this video! Really surprised at this obvious yet very effective defensive method, more so how it seems to be ignored by many adults (including me before this video). Which is weird as my 3 year old currently does occasionally resort to biting during some playful wrestling (maybe he's secretly training with Vunak :) Seems to be ingrained response that we have during childhood yet later we write biting off as a childish act. When really, it can be extremely useful.
Ask your kid for private lessons 😅
@Inside Fighting Nah, he's way too hardcore 😆🤣
I am stocked from these infos I had no idea about , amazing stuff man
Recently found your videos. I appreciate how open and positive you are about various martial arts! 👍👍New sub.
The idea of only fighting dirty from a safe position makes a ton of sense. I am interested in exploring not only the idea of “biting when they can’t bite me back” but expand it to doing something dirty only if they can’t retaliate with something dirty (eye gouges, groin strikes, biting, fish hooks, attacks to the neck, or going for a weapon). To me, the example of biting from the north-south position would not be safe from their bite let other groin strikes. Liked the other examples better.
Great video and information. The only thing to remember is that the other person might bite back as well, and may have a meaner bite, so be aware. I grew up in a rough neighborhood in Morocco at a time when kids roamed free, played till it got too dark. I fought every week at least a couple of times and had to avoid multiple fights every day. There four go to moves every kid picks up early on- two of them are fight enders. The moves are a sweeping kick, knees, head buts, and biting. The fight enders are the head but and the biting. The knee could be as devastating but for us kids back then we kneed the stomach not the face or head.
A very good analysis of learning how to train and release the Killer Instinct. Paul V is no joke. Keep up the excellent work.
I saw a video about "chimpanese style kung fu" a few years ago. It was outdoor, in a very basic looking environment. The students were training to go crazy. It was not nice and acrobatic like in movies. Rather, then went into full-on crazy mode and were biting, scratching, gouging, and doing whatever it took at high speed and full fury to maim the enemy in a gruesome way. Never saw such realistic looking fighting before in a kung fu training video.
Got a link or a title to drop?
You are AWESOME bro! Good stuff that only the pros understand. I'm so happy I found your content.
I appreciate that!
@@inside_fighting Keep up the good work! I look forward to watching more of your content.
I have zero proof but have always sensed this sort of thing probably is at least partially a result of commercialization. Someone probably looked at the skill subset of gouging/scraping/etc. and thought if they packaged that separate from the main system, it would be a distinct enough identity to sell on its own.
I also generally think this kind of process occurs when you get someone unusually good at that subset of skills who doesn’t need to rely on the mainline stuff as much. The problem is they are usually a freak of nature and students will spend generations trying to recreate what they did even though it’s not really something they can recreate on a massive scale. That original person was “just right” to make their very weird, personal method work.
There’s also the lost in translation type issue too. It seems to me that the best example of that is probably in Japanese kata where, presumably, what was being taught was once common knowledge now has to be interpreted because we just sort of “forgot.” Or, in the case of Karate, the whole grappling component when it moved to the main islands of Japan just got sliced off because, again, they wanted it to have a distinct identity as compared to things like Judo.
People get really caught up in the pure effectiveness of systems and assume these things rise and fall in a closed, rawly Darwinistic ecosystem where only the “best” stuff survives. But really martial arts can evolve for a lot of reasons beyond just fighting prowess… economics, politics, cultural shifts, etc. all play a role in how things change.
The fundamental problem is that some things shouldn’t be plucked out from their mother system. Or, if they are, once they have been honed to a high level, necessarily need to be re-inserted into the proper context. It doesn’t make those sub-skills “worse,” (which I think is the popular narrative), they just need to be trained properly.
Wow really amazing insight.
Thank you for your open-mindedness and detailed appreciation of the many martial arts around the world/through time. I've been thoroughly enjoying your videos since I found your channel.
I learned a family-system of arnis when I was very young. It does not really have a name; it was just "our arnis." And the Lolo who taught me indeed instructed me on biting! I had NO IDEA it was called kinamutai until today!
Couple tidbits on biting from our family arnis: jaw muscles are strong, but neck muscles are STRONGER. So even if you cannot fully close on a chunk of opponent, merely a light bite and then thrashing the head back and forth uses the edges of teeth to shred someone's arm or pec or neck nicely. Similarly, remember the jaw muscles only close the mandible (bottom jawbone); top teeth and canines are "stationary".... unless you "bite" with the neck (motion like front headbutt). The idea is to use neck strength to sink the top teeth/canines and then scoop outwards, or shred side to side. Finally, if you are a fan of dim sum, eating chicken feet is a great way to "practice" biting finger joints apart.
Thank you for your dedication to the arts and training, and I look forward to ever learning more from you!
I’m new viewer and thank you for the information. I’ll keep watching always
Great vid 2nd time watching but sinks in wow only certain grappling moves would work🧠 this why I like urban combatives think should do a vid like see how you compare the system vs all martial art knowledge you have
I'd love to see you do a video on shoot boxing! I just stumbled on your channel the other day and have been binging your videos
I can definitely do one on shoot boxing. :) I trained with Yuri Nakamura for a bit when i was at Inosantos academy. He was great.
I don't think anybody can watch this and not like subscribe. Another great 1 from the bag thank you
Thanks man! It means a lot
Great video. I looked for the videos on kina mutai for a long time. Seems like they disappeared from YT. Thanks for sharing! 😊
A very interesting and analytical view of martial systems. It is interesting to see the development of martial arts in the west. Karate and Judo in the 60's, Kung Fu in the 70's. Ninjutsu in the 80's and the development of mixed martial arts in the 90's. Now we're analysing the inclusion of effective and often forgotten traditional techniques, and incorporating them into grappling systems. This way we can develop a self protection method that can be devastatingly effective on the street when faced with the brutality of street violence. Thank-you for posting.
In the Philippines "kinamutay" is a Visayan word (not Tagalog) that is usually meant as "eating with your hands." If you use that word here that is what people will understand it as.
So "kinamutay ta" means "let's eat with our hands."
Eat humans 😅
@@inside_fighting Works even when you're making love, not war!
I'm 63 now. I trained intensilly in martial arts when I was younger. I'm older now and have modified my training to adapt for my age. I truly appreciate your brutal honesty and realism of your approach to advanced combat techniques. At my age now I'm constantly seeking the simplist form of personal self defense. Sometimes. I'm beginning to realize that in the long run, it's the actual inherited animal instinct that kicks in that may actually save your life. Your video enforces this belief. You are an excellent instructor
Thank you for your personal combat effective insight
Yeah,that sh... really works...!Both Vulnak and Olivera come from JKD-
Use EVERYTHING that works in a streetfight,no bell,no tap-out,AND
people around you just "enjoy the show",as we have seen in one of
your shorts...!A nasty world makes you nasty...!Sad but true...! 😁😔
Kung Fu San Soo… They bite, gouge, hit them family jewels (a lot, claw, rip, twist…), fish hook, lots of neck strikes (and grabs), striking first, and translates to knife attacks (just attacking no defending). But, it’s a non sparring off shoot of Choy Li Fut, so it may not impress.
And, I’m wrong. You get five points. They are worthless points, but still five points for the win!
I’ll take those points my good man 💪🏼🙏🏼
@@inside_fighting
Use them wisely. 😂
I agree that san soo is a brutal combat art. I studied a lot of arts but san soo is my bread and butter style. We learn all our body weapons and all the targets. Every technique is directed to vital areas(eyes,throat,temple,groin spine,knees etc..) and finishing moves. It is good to be pressure tested and that's why i studied other arts. But believe me, training under Dave Carter and later at Jimmy H. Woo's there were plenty of guys to pressure test you.
You have way too few subscribers for the quality of the content you produce. I love your videos and I always learn Something new. Keep it up 👍🙏 I hope your channel will grow
I appreciate that! Means a lot
What's very scary about this is now yout grappling which may be your best technique, becomes a liability bc you are now more vulnerable in it than out of it. Ironically making standing and striking preferable.
I have these tapes also! Been training in kali for a little while now. Nice to see someone else talking about it.
Very cool! The vunak tapes are the best
At 1:15 that's Lee Morrison from URBAN COMBATIVES. Sorry, he is in a class of his own, he should not be here used to advertise another system, but his own. He's at the very top, if not the best in self-defense.
Get to know of him in the case you don't.
The reason that guy did not eye gouge you even though his hand was on your face was because he lacked real intent; he could have done so easily if his hand was so close. Only if a participator or student has an issue with you would he attempt to damage you, all the rest will fake their own intent, but to their shame.
I totally agree of course with using biting.
Both of those guys know are classics, they know what they're talking about.
-Good video, just that Lee Morrison picture should be edited out; it's not right.
Thanks for the update. Isn’t lee Morison from Urban combative? I’ve heard him talk a lot before and i thought he took part of his biting system from kinamutai
@@inside_fighting I don't get it, why are you asking me that? I already said that he's from Urban Combatives. Did you read my whole message? Even so, using his picture, is not right as I pointed out. -I do not know if he took it from kinamutai but I figure that biting someone if you have to seems normal for self-defense and anyone can think about it on his own. That is, I don't think you need a system to become aware of it or teach you it. The fact though that kinamutai has that kind of thinking is a sensible thing.
PS. Lee Morrison has a biting system?? Does it matter how many teeth you have? Regardless, I can only trust dentists for such issues. (Just joking 🤣😂🤣)
@@inside_fighting I believe that Lee has a background that includes FMA, and while you can occasionally see it with concepts like clearing the line and "caveman trapping", it's not explicitly part of the system.
Lee's older videos are great, as is the material from his student on the "URBAN COMBATIVES NETHERLANDS" channel.
Great stuff
Thank you sir
Awesome explanation. Yes to but after placing in position the opponent. Thank you
All and any martial art can be made most brutal ONCE and ONLY ONCE you've studied it, learned it, know it extremely well, live and practice it DAILY, embodying it and are willing to use it as if you've never been taught it with no formality nor humanity nor restraint. But with control - that's the art. But I think that this will come down to the individual practitioner. You'll get to utilize whatever you're willing to put into it for use. You're the Artist. The only one limiting your art is you.
Now! Having said all that. I'd check out a book by Forrest Morgan called Living the Martial Way. That book is a real eye opener and a potential game changer. Once you've read it you'll start to see why I've made this statement and feel adamantly about it.
Will check it out!
i recognized morrison from the youtube lineup picture; but i never thought-of his training as a MA. def nasty stuff.
Oh cool, i didnt know you were a Paul Vunak fan! I love Vunak and think its awesome youre giving him props
Very nice video! I actually live in Vancouver. May I ask which club you visited? Thank you.
I love it!!
Not sure which I like best, the vaguely Southpark-esque intro or the excellent, realistic take on the subject matter 🤔
These are the questions 🤔🤔😘
In Butuan City, Mindanao we call it " Sensual Touch" in '80's and '90's from the Martial Arts Instructor. He teaches Japanese Karate system but did not teach that Sensual touch system because it is so brutal. Not only biting and gouging, also using the shape of the hand to strike the sensitive parts of the body.
"Sensual touch" It sounds so ironic. Hahahahaa
Love this video... I bit a bully in the face back in 6th grade. School police wanted to arrest me for assault with a deadly weapon. I got suspended instead. 3 months later the bully came back to school and wanted to be my friend. I think I'm gonna study this martial art more.😊
This is gonna be random but my Chinese friend told me theres a martial art in China called Mad Dog Kenpo, which is a self defense system and philosophy that teaches whatever goes and always carry a surgical scissor & a small bag of sand with u to blind ur opponent...cant find any video online but that sounds extreme....
He showed me a video and i couldnt decide if it was bs or legit. They are taught to yell like rabid dogs during fights, and focus on groin strikes, eye gouging and even playing dead/injured to find windows of opportunity. The lack of sparring footages (not sure how you can spar with that ruleset) did make me have doubts
I need to see this 😅
@@inside_fighting th-cam.com/video/Ba6bAo4oMcU/w-d-xo.html this was the one I watched...no captions unfortunately. Plz dont laugh😂
@@dababy4182 😅😅😅 that video is something
Rough and tumble like… also this mentality makes sense when you look at legit ww2 combatives… the innovators used gouges, eye pokes, groin strikes, throat grabs and rips etc… but they all had a solid base in a solid sparring/combat martial art like judo, wrestling, boxing, hard style karate… and the brutal techniques supplement them
"Uninterrupted".....I like that
Very interesting. The eyes, throat, and groin along with gouging etc has always been part of the arsenal, biting has always crossed my mind but it was never taught. Very cool. I have learned that the concept of a "fair fight" is a myth. Unless you're a pro fighter getting paid for it. Even then theres the sly stuff.
Does Street Fighting count. Btw awesome content 👍
Thanks :) I don't know if it is a style but I think its a fair take.
Paul Vunak is responsible for the birth of many combatives and street martial arts. He inspired many krav maga instructors, Urban Combatives, Carlos Hermanos, Libre and I bet that even US Army SOCP has something of his ideas. Truly game changer in the world of martial arts.
I only considered biting as a viable tool when I read Baki Hanma hahahaha What a shame.
I like this before even watching, this video blows my mind the most I used to look down to peeps who thinks they are badass because they boast how they can just use illegal moves irl fighting, I know this illegal techniques are illegal for a reason but the method they are trained feels like bs. This is the exact thing I was wondering and looking for thanks 🙏
Thanks so much. That’s exactly the same for me
Southern Rough and Tumble. It was a form of unarmed dueling based on wrestling from the Old South, where fighters would bascially try to maim each other. Some of them sharpened their teeth and nails. Unfortunately, most of its practitioners were illiterate.
thumbnail showed Lee Morrison biting, part of his system Urban Combatives, one of the best
Excellent system indeed.
Awesome looks very brutal. Couldn’t imagine being on the bite side of that man that’s scary.
Could you do a video on Kajukenbo? The eclectic Hawaiian MMA/Karate/Self Defense system?
I remember speaking to one of Paul Vunak students / associates , I asked him if he sparred with Paul and how was it .. his response was
He had a wiry smile on his face , put his head down and little, started shaking it from left to right as he said “ oh you don’t want to spar with him … that’s not recommended “.
I think that sums it up
Southern Praying mantis, eg chow Gar tong long can get quite dirty and downright nasty. Depends on where and who you train with and all that of course.
Lee Morrison Urban Combatives
I have these tapes. Paul is a BEAST!
One of my all time favorite martial artists
That’s really cool !
How do I learn that ?
"Brilliant"? Brutally brilliant... You sir are a badass. I thought my mindset was to flip the switch and do whatever nastiness that is necessary, but biting not really part of my awareness. I'll reserve it for the extreme situation that I hope to never be in but it'll be there for me now.
The eye gouging yes and no... Once I was tangled up in the classic wwf type standing arm lock and the guy maneuvered his hand in and went right for my eye with his thumb - I was like, whoa... Closed my eyes tight and needed him in the solar plexus... Done. On the other hand, did you ever see the video of the two supposed military guys challenging each other and finally agree to fight and the one guy immediately snaps a finger jab to the guy's eye and quickly scurries away while probably damaging the guy for life - pretty shitty. I guess it's a matter of intent and degree of violence.
Been a subscriber for a while. Really like your videos because they are very unique.
Exactly dude.
🔥🔥🔥
it;s funny, when you add in biting and gouging and groin strikes...the whole dynamic of grappling and fighting changes.
COMPLETELY! And very few people train with the reality of it.
Nice intro music
According to google, the average human bite force is 162 pounds per square inch. Now consider that the biting surface of a tooth is absolutely not even close to an inch in surface area, and you've got a mouth full of knives basically.
I was so engrossed in the video that I forgot to post my guess - but I guessed the Eagle Claw style of kung fu (the wrong answer), which teaches you how to grab and literally rip pieces off of someone (if you can grab them in the right places - that's where the art of it comes in, that and how to strengthen your hands enough so that you can) or at least rip open their skin or rip a tendon loose with a grab. So my guess was wrong... but it seems only technically, because the actual answer looks about equally brutal rather than more brutal. I've always liked kung fu because it is life-or-death oriented, where you go into every fight with absolutely zero rules on what is "allowed". Everything is allowed when you are trying to save your life (or that of the person behind you). And of all the styles I've studied, Eagle Claw stands out as by far the most brutal. That bit you mentioned about attacking the tricep - that's Eagle Claw. But it's not an attempt to take skin. You are going for a tendon, ripping the muscle loose from the bone of the arm to disable the attacker. If you don't get it the first time, you'll eventually get it. The trick is knowing how to isolate that tendon and yank/twist hard enough that it snaps.
This channel continues to be far and away the best martial arts channel I have found in the last decade. Real, practical techniques that work. No "sport fighting tips" nonsense that doesn't translate to an actual fight. An understanding that transcends just the mechanics - what you said about action vs reaction is the same thing that I always say, because it is one of what I consider the three core principles of fighting effectively. But I never hear such high level advice from other channels. Only here. That alone would make this the best channel out there.
Thank you as always. I really have to research eagle claw now 🧐 sounds very interesting
@@inside_fighting Some of kung fu does not work as well in modern times as it did hundreds of years ago. Diets today are higher in nutrition, so it is harder to break a bone or snap a tendon. But the weak points still remain the same, and I have dropped someone just by hooking their ribcage at the solar plexus using a strike that comes from Eagle Claw. Spasmed the diaphram with minimal force, but also had a grip on them there that let me just yank them right to the ground. The person was only down 2-3 minutes and was fine, but it was a defining moment for me since I didn't realize just how effective what I knew could be until I just reflexively did the strike/hook/throw and they did not get up.
This is like adding headbutts to Muay Thai (Lethwei), it changes the game completely.
Or Muay Boran.
Should interview Paul volnek
TL;DR -
I work as an Officer in a Prison, and teach Personal Protection classes in that prison.
Biting is basically useless in self defense and usually just makes the person being bit want to hurt you even more. Because of this, Biting unsurprisingly is absent from traditional martial arts focused on self defense, like karate, judo, etc. Biting is only seen in martial arts from dueling cultures like the old Americana west, and the Philippines. the purpose of biting in martial arts was to disfigure an opponent in a public fight, to make them an advertisement of the consequences of crossing you. It was never to defend yourself from assault because it never worked for that purpose. Biting someones nose ear or lip off to disfigure them is very difficult. in two studies from Nigeria in Africa, there were only 4 out of 200 cases where a piece of lip or ear was bitten off. There were no cases of successfully biting off part of a nose.
Humans bites are weaker than chihuahuas. a gorilla bite is 13 times stronger than a human bite. a baboon bite is 5 times stronger and baboons weigh less than 100 pounds on average and are only 2 to 4 feet tall. The only thing a human can bite thru is skin. we cant bite thru a finger, or bite thru to reach muscle. Primates using biting is not a valid argument that humans should bite in defense. Because primate bites are in an entirely different league to ours.
Ive citied my sources of the bite forces of humans, chihuahuas, gorillas and baboons below. ive also cited the two studies I spoke about concerning data on injuries from human bites.
TL;DR Over
I have to stand in opposition of the training of biting as a technique to be relied upon for personal protection. Below I have written a few single line facts about biting and its lack of utility. To start though, I want to get a few points across.
Some minor background on me. I am an Officer in a State Prison. I have been doing martial arts since childhood in multiple forms. Im a part time instructor in the prison's Personal Protection program, which is a blended system that incorporates basic BJJ, some combatives stuff, and actually some of Vunak's teachings.
It is my belief that biting in the martial arts has very little value in terms of self defense. I believe thats why it isnt featured in the vast majority of traditional, self defense focused martials.
I have noticed, that the few systems that do include biting, come from areas with a strong unarmed dueling culture. These cultures, dueling is a way to maintain and improve status, and gain fear and respect by displaying your power, making an example out of your opponent. Because of this, I believe that biting in these arts isnt a tactic for winning, but instead is a tactic for intentionally disfiguring your opponent in order to shame them, and use them to advertise the consequences of crossing you.
I can support this with one art that is known for biting: American Rough and tumble. they taught techniques made for biting. But they made it clear that they were biting with the *intention* to disfigure. In some rough and tumble contest, biting off a part of a nose, lip, or ear, was a win condition along with submission or knockout. Reason being, is its seen as a pin. Because you need such *Control* to bite someone *uninterrupted* for long enough to sever a piece of them. The biting techniques were based around gaining this control. similar to how Kina mutay is (kina mutay focuses on gouging and fishooking as well. So does rough and tumble and bareknuckle boxing.)
I believe its the same with other arts. I think biting in arts was just a way to maim an opponent. It was taken out of context later in history and mistaken as something applicable for self defense, which it isnt and never was.
As far as Other primates... they bite because their jaws are much stronger than ours. they have bigger thicker teeth and fangs for tearing flesh and breaking bone. there isnt concrete data on the bite force of a chimp. but the bite force of a gorilla is estimated to be 1300 psi on average. www.africangorilla.com/information/how-strong-is-a-silverback-gorillas/ "A bite of a gorilla has been recorded to be 1,300 pounds per square inch"
A Baboon has a bite force of 500 to 550 psi on average. wildlifeboss.com/how-strong-are-baboons/ "They have a powerful bite force of about 500 PSI"
I would guess a chimp falls somewhere in the middle of the 2 at around 800 psi. bear in mind, the average baboon is 2 to 4 feet tall and weighs 50 to 100 pounds. the average chimp is 4 to 5 feet tall and weighs 90 to 160 pounds. both are smaller than the average man by a decent margin, yet they bite many times harder. comparing a human bite to that of other primates as evidence that human bites are good for self defense is pointless. other primates bites are in a different world.
below Ill give some facts about biting in humans, how much damage a bite can do, and some realities about their real world use.
Biting is not an effective stand alone move for affecting the outcome of a fight
Biting is not a move that causes significant damage or debilitation of any kind.
You as a Human Being, *Cannot* bite hard enough to damage muscle in a way that affects its function.
A human can also not bite hard enough to break bone.
Human beings bite force is comparable to, or weaker than a chihuahua.
www.oodlelife.com/what-is-the-bite-force-of-a-chihuahua/ "Most research on the Chihuahua bite force has resulted in a figure between 100 and 180 PSI."
www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-power-of-the-human-jaw/ (this study is very old; its from 1912. modern studies align with its findings but this one is simpler to read than other newer studies ive found)
"males showed an average of 150 pounds with the molars and 83 with incisors"
An average human bite force with the incisors and canines is going to be around 83 psi, maybe more, maybe less, but below that of the high end of the Chihuahua bite force.
Human beings cannot bite hard enough to sever a human finger
Human beings can, with multiple bites, sever parts of the nose ears and lips.
in order to sever a bodypart, a the "biter" needs to be in a position of control. if you're in control, there's better things to do than biting.
Biting a non committed attacker has the chance to scare them into compliance, or to enrage them enough to commit to trying to harm or kill you.
Biting a committed attacker generally will only make them more committed to killing you, not less. its not a good deterrent.
Biting someone who is Very Vain, may make them change positions to avoid disfigurement. But they will almost certainly try to kill use out of rage from you assault against their vanity.
Below are two studies out of Nigeria of human bites during physical confrontations. each study looks at around 100 bites, and in both studies the only cases of amputation/avulsion, were an ear amputation and a lip amputation in the first study, from 2018. In the second study, in 2021 an ear was oartially amputation (called Partial avulsion) and a lip was fully amputated (called complete avulsion).
Both studies are from different parts of Nigeria, conducted during different years.
So, of these two studies it seems like the only places you can really damage are on the face. and that seems to be successful 2 out of 100 times, since it happened twice in each 100 incident study.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6016993/
www.njdres.com/index.php/njdres/article/view/220/116
Interesting facts. What martial art is the best for self defense in your opinion?
This is definitely brutal ,I like it
Paul vunak is an animal he would litraly go out of his way to get into fights, he would wear bling deliberatly just to get into fights and test out his martial art skills. He is crazy XD
Wow!!!!!!!!!
Well ,I mean when I think about it I could chew a pretty tuff steak ,but like you said ," life death situations ", life death tactics .
The more tools and techniques you have the better you are in a self defense situation.
The Walking Theme plays in the background
some people "use their heads" in a fight and some dont. another neglected move is the headbutt. people are so afraid to take brain damage that they dont want to use it, but it's very effective
Lol...let's go to pool halls, snort some party favors, and randomly feral dog bite everyone we can start fights with.....oh wait...
This video is describing actual fighting. I never want to have to do that. What you describe is how animals fight. How Apes or Monkeys fight to injure, maim, mutilate and destroy. This is what Chimps do when they are serious. It's good to understand the truth of actual combat.....and why it's better to avoid it. Salute.
Kino mutai! I read in black belt magazine sometimes of it but in Germany it is hard to find.
This is mostly why combat sport guys can talk shit about traditional self defense systems because in sport you can’t bite the neck artery, break the guy”s neck, or take his eyes out. That biting thing is crazy.
Huh. The use of raw meat for demonstrating was definitely interesting lol. Anyway, as usual, awesome vid!
Glad you enjoyed
Ah yes, the Marc McFann lunch buffet. Bewilders trained people when you do these things too.
Wild guess before watching the video, I would say anything based on Fairbairn-Sykes' 'Defendu' as taught to Special Forces during WW2
kudo
Great system but not the one in this video :) I’ll do a video on kudo soon
Kino Mutai! Yep Paul vunak great instructor! Bruce, DAN, PAUL! Yes sir! A lighter works pretty well too. LOL FYI! ur welcome. LOL
the person pictured in the image for the video doing the biting sure looks like Lee Morrison from Urban Combatives. His stuff is the best IMHO. You should take a look at his videos
Watchin the Intro Pic - it muste be called "Tyson Do"
but jokes away like other wrote here "Kinomutai" is part of some FMA Styles ?!
Gonna make a guess before I watch.
American Rough n' Tumble
DAMMIT
@@mikhailvasiliev6275 Very close though... in fact I am doing a video on it soon
It really should be so obvious. All predators pin down their prey before they give the fatal bite.
i was certified under andrew kodger and studied w mike vanbeek in Sifu Vu JKD. I talked to Sifu VU for about an hr once such a cool down to earth burn out
I remember doing all that dirty stuff on a cocky young buck when I was doing MMA, lmao. Digging knuckles into the floating ribs from side control, using his spiked up gel'd hair to seal the triangle choke/yank him towards me as a faux-arm drag after grabbing his hair to a back take, etc. Dirty fighting works when you learn how to fight.
You should also look up tiger claw kung fu
That couch behind you looks massive
It’s quite large indeed. I refuse to sit on any couch that isn’t the size of a small house
Sanuces Ryu Eye 2 Eye Jiu Jitsu stands alone in this regard.
Senshido? The bitey-gougy thumbnail reminds me of those ads.
Dammit!
@@brentr926 hahahah now I gotta research Senshido
I was thinking of mud diving canibals.... Seems I was right😅