How Much Ammo Capacity Is Enough?
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- How do you determine how much ammo capacity is adequate for your concealed carry handgun? Here are a few thoughts to help you decide.
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First rule of a gunfight, have a gun.
Key points in being a good gunfighter. Speed, aggression and surprise.
Excalibur01 but again main rule is to not get into a gun fight.
Excalibur01 but if you cant be fast be aggressive and most of all win
...don't talk about by gunfight club.
First rule of a gunfight, have someone else fight for you. Rich guys figured this out ages ago.
I appreciate the soberness with which this channel discussed CC and self defense. Too many channels out there refer to guns as toys and sit analyzing which round does the most damage to watermelons. Thank you for your frankness and reverence for a very serious subject.
or they exemplify the attitude that Colion Noir calls "I wish a mofo would..." where they are just LOOKING for a fight
xyzpdq1122 I didn't see that at all. Soberness and frankness is all that was there. Where on earth did you get the idea that he exemplifies the attitude 'I wish a mofo would'???
I was referring to people that are the OPPOSITE of Chris/ Lucky Gunner. Chris has the attitude that being forced to use your CCW is -not- a good thing, but rather a tragedy that could not be avoided.
Ah, my bad.
dtroy15. Watermelons are used to demonstrate lung tissue. That is what I was told by the experienced gun user. Who uploaded his video. On Demolitionranch I asked about certain physical behaviors of ballistic gell. That he said were important. I didnt get it. I posted a question on them. He responded with a semi long detailed responce. A nother person gave very good infermation as well. Then a police training instructer responded. Which gave excellent infermation. I will try to find it and post it for you.
I live in CA so I carry a sharp stick. (Registered with the DOJ along with my fingerprints and social security number of course)
Did you take the training course?
does it meet the sharpness requirements set by the ATF? is it no more than 16 inches??
Not too sharp I hope!
Alex S same here in NJ, except my stick cant be sharpened past a 10 degree angle..its otherwise known as a blunt stick. Still they call the dogs when i walk around 'armed.' Gotta protect those criminals..Im sorry, i meant gotta protect those young children in school from big bad law abiding citizens.
You can as well if you join the ranks of their voting base.
I worked in firearms sales for a while, I'm a combat vet and I concealed carry on a daily basis so I have put an honest amount of thought into this.
I really feel like it is all about a balance between the extremes of the two opposing CCW camps, let's call them Bare-Minimum Bob and Carl the Commando. Bob has it right that probably 99% of encounters (which are unlikely as it is) are going to be done and over in one to three rounds, and just carrying anything is more than half the battle. Carl has it right that you don't want to be caught with your pants down in that one impossibly shitty situation where you are say, fighting multiple combatants, or get in a protracted firefight; and that you want to be as well trained as possible.
Personally, I ride the line and carry a purpose-built, single stack concealed carry 9mm with an extra magazine or a 380 with an extra mag in shorts and tee shirt weather. I am a reasonably skilled shooter simply from my long time in the service and my continuing love for shooting. Having squeezed the trigger in anger before, I know I can handle myself on the mental level. I am not trying to toot my own horn more than I deserve, but I think I am a bit above the level that the average concealed carrier should be at.
I don't feel like carrying a 5 shot wheel gun that you have shot no more than 10 rounds out of is a wise choice. I also feel like going out of your way to stuff a Glock 19 in your pants (no matter how uncomfortable you think that is), and paying John Rambo a hundred dollars an hour to train you to do drills to prepare for a unicorn of a situation is a poor use of your own resources.
Get a gun you like to carry with at least a modest ammunition capacity, carry some extra rounds if you want, and practice with your pistol AT LEAST a few times a year. After that, you know what is your most important asset when you're out on the streets? Something that hardly any gun videos and articles talk about? Situational awareness. You need to maintain some serious SA if you want a leg up out in the real world. Watch what other people are doing, look for escape routes and ways out as you go about your business, get your guard up when you go into a creepy location in a creepy area at a creepy hour. You can be Carl the Commando himself, and if you don't have good SA out there, you might as well be Bare-Minimum Bob.
Wise words, Sir. Thank you for your input.
I agree with what you say, I am carrying a full-sized Ruger GP100 or 1911 often these days but always got my HK P30SK 9mm as backup (with 10 or a specialized 15 round mag that gives the gun a unique and fun look to boot), or maybe my wife's Shield if she is carrying something different or whatever.
A well-reasoned, well-written comment.
Fully support everything you said. Well put
Wise words I'm sure but is the USA this dangerous now ?
Another CCW statistic is the more comfortable the firearm is to carry, the more they will carry it .
Lazy people are lazy.
Very true. Here in WI winter it's quite easy to carry 2 and even 3 firearms if you really feel the need. The smallest I will go is a Glock 43 w/maggut spring in mag so I have 7 + 1 then a spare mag with Taran Tactical +2 extension for total of 16 rounds. In winter, a Glock 19 w/15+1 but rarely a spare mag with it as I'm usually carrying the 43 EDC regardless. It fits so well AIWB I feel naked the rare occasions it's not there. When I have to dress with a shirt tucked and suit or sport coat, I wear a Crossbreed Supertuck that hangs at 4 O'clock and allows me to take jacket off and still see no printing. While I love my S&W .357 Mag snubby, it rarely leaves the house but is always handy as a back-up/kept in a separate strategic place. It's not uncomfortable to carry but after MANY thousands of rounds through a few different models, I trust my Glocks to fire when needed. The failure rate at range with reloads is
That's true, but the problem is that what makes a gun comfortable to carry tends to make it uncomfortable to shoot. :-( A novice shooter turned off by the recoil of a small gun is not going to train with it often. So either they're a masochist or they're not going to be good with it. It doesn't help that the shorter barrel also makes it harder to shoot accurately (shorter sight radius).
The good news is that you can probably find a gun that balances convenience with shootability. Ruger's SP101 comes to mind, or a heavy S&W J-frame. You can even find them with 3" or 4" barrels.
I believe anyone SERIOUS about training and carrying for self-defense will find a qualified trainer who'll also guide them through how to select the right firearm(s) to carry. I have no stats to back it up but through networking with many USCCA trainers I believe most will stress the practice of trying multiple guns, many of us even have a large collection of holsters to show the comfort (or discomfort) of different carry options and then discuss the strategy of carrying different firearms based on the weather, where they're going and even who they're going with. Example: My GF and I have identically configured 43's and both train regularly with them. If I know I'm going with her to what I'd consider a low risk (No such thing as NO risk) situation, I'll bring my 43 and a spare mag of 8. Knowing if SHTF we'll have 2 shooters shooting the right direction or 1 with 32 rounds if it dictates she take cover and just feed me gun or ammo. (We have even developed code words to "call" this kind of situation. Alternatively in the winter, higher risk situations or going by myself I'll carry my 19 and sometimes the 43 as well. Finally, when talking comfort... the worst is the 100 degrees and high humidity when everything sticks to your body except a gun in sweaty palms. Then I'll wear the minimum of the NRA holster Tshirt gun on one side, spare mag to balance on the other with a loose tropical shirt over it. I personally wouldn't go any smaller than the 43 (or one of the comparable sub-compacts). The 43 is a gun that a novice shooter can work there way up to a few hundred rounds in a day's practice in a matter of a couple weeks. If they're serious enough to practice their draw with snap caps at home and get to the range 2-3 times/month for the first few months and work through 6-10 basic drills, I believe they'll be well beyond recoil being an issue and certainly not for the
Trying out a lot of different guns is the right thing to do. Seeking certified training is wise. But for some people, looking it up on the Internet or asking a gun shop employee for their recommendation is enough on the notion that "These people know their stuff, or at least know more than I do."
I think a lot of shooters who make that error do have a serious intention to become proficient and responsible shooters. But you have to start from somewhere and, sadly, that means from ignorance and the possibility of being misled and making a mistake.
I really can't blame people when they make a mistake like that. The world of firearms is huge. There are a lot of misconceptions people have to overcome.
And, specifically, yes, this includes the .357 Mag j-frame snub made really light. It's practically a cliché now. There's the old "stopping power" (sort of) myth so they go for the more powerful caliber possible. These kinds of guns were made to be convenient so they're so small and light. In fact, you see Ruger, S&W, and Taurus making a lot of sales of this kind of guns. A gun shop employee wanting to make a quick sale would gladly (but misguidedly) make such a recommendation.
That's why I keep reading experienced and reasonable shooters- certified trainers included- making explicit warnings about this. They have to bust this "myth". Any responsible shooter should do their part as well.
Yes, recoil and short sight radius will be no barrier to someone that really wants to become a good shooter- but it'd be better if they didn't have to undergo any particular difficulties when they start. It shouldn't just be that people who look for an instructor first who get to avoid it while those who didn't end up with that error. It's best if all new shooters were to avoid the convenience trap.
A five shot .22 rimfire in your hand is always more effective than the 10mm auto loader, with 5 15-round magazines in a locker at home.
@Fact Checker True. You jam, you're probably going to freeze unless you have tons of training to immediately recognize the jam and clear it. A revolver you can just pull the trigger again. Also, if you need more ammo, while .22lr may be a more anemic load they common carry 8-10 rounds instead of 5.
@Semper Fi it can and has Jammed. Revolvers are way more trusty
@Semper Fi I like more the Rhino in 357 2" snub.
It just Mind-boggling how many people think the 22 Long rifle is an entirely ineffective round against human targets I don’t know very many people that would like to take a couple of rounds from a 22 or even one for that matter so this whole 22 is too weak anemic blah blah blah what a load of crap go out and get shot by one then post
I carry a glock 20 with 2 spare mags ,it ain't uncomfortable.
In almost all situations, the person who has the capability to continue functioning in a highly stressful situation will come out on top.
I saw a comment the other day that went something to the effect of "I feel bad for the guy that tries to rob Jerry micheleck, Jerry will have to explain how he managed to get 40 rounds on target out of a revolver before the guy even hit the ground"
Under the bumpstock ban, Jerry had to have his finger removed.
oh that's easy. Because that's all he had.
Jerry would be smart enough to hand over a wallet rather than try to explain why he shot someone 40 times over a few bucks.
@@LL-fi4rr it's not about the quantity, it's about the principle
@@LL-fi4rryeah this is an interesting take. Recognize when people say this, It's never about the guy defending himself over his property. He can get more property. It's about the criminals who are willing to throw human life away over 40$. This man is pointing A loaded firearm in your face for a few bucks. If you don't see the problem with this, I can't help you. These people will kill you for a quarter, if they thought they could get away with it. That's what's wrong. I argue these people deserve no sympathy no matter how many times they've been shot or killed or whatever. Also, recognize at some point, that theft itself is just simply murder by proxy. Steal a man's tools, how is he able to make a living. At some point, you cannot take away from a man without essentially killing him and his ability to get meals. Like how much do you have to steal from me before I have starved to death from everything that has been stolen from me. Thus getting in the way of someone's food, is a good way to get shot or worse.
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Don't steal a man's tools. They need them to pay for everyone's welfare checks.
You hit the target when you said:"ammo capacity and guns type is rarely the deciding factor. When an armed citizen loses a fight it’s often because they failed to recognize danger."
In my city there is currently a killer on a 30 days killing spree...he assulted two guards armed wit berettas M9 in two different occasions, one time bare handed another time armed with a double barrel shotgun and both times he was able to kill and steal their guns, wich now has sadly used to commit other crimes. Those guards could have had ship cannon and they would still be dead...
Needless to say that both guards shot 0 rounds in total.
Also i thought that every gun range started their first shooters with full size 22lr then pass to a full size 9mm and then you train with subcompacts...there are ranges where they initiate their students with snubby 357 or subcompacts .40? That's "bold"! And i'm being kind.
You have brought some things that i didn't cover in my post.
In my area before being able to buy a gun you have to pass an handlig course, it consist in 1 or 2 days (dependig by the range) where they teach you the basic with .22lr rifle or an autoloader that they lend you. Then they advise you to try their guns before making your purchase (rentig one cost 5 bucks so you don't have to buy anything in this first steps). I don't say that you have to buy a .22lr, a 9mm and then your carry choice. I don't understand why a teacher should lend you their snubby .357mag insted of their .22lr if you are a novice. Also the target is at 25 meters or 50 meters...
But i don't know how it works beyond the ocean, and if the ranges doesn't lend guns i agree that is too expensive buy a training tool.
So start with big toys in my country is impossible since you can't buy them if you don't have done the handling course and if you have done the handlig course you started with 22lr even if you requested something else.
This metodh is done only with civilians and not military, i agree that soldiers should start and end their training with the standard rifle.
But when a civilian approach to a range (especially if he/she have weak hands/wrist) make him/her start with a small and light gun i think that is a good way to pull off him/her the range, but i have the impression that in america you take your class with your gun and the range doesn't lend/rent training tool.
I'm with you there man. I took my girlfriend out shooting for the first time because we were moving in together and we both felt that she should know the basics of firearms safety. I did not hype up calibers and let her shoot a few different guns. She shot a .45 da/sa best by far. Telling someone how bad the kick will be is a great way to make them biased. Don't buy into hype.
Let's face it, the number of times a gun has been used to commit a crime is way more than the number of times the citizen has defended him or herself. That's the nature of criminals who will plan a home invasion or carjacking Days are hours in advance, which gives them the advantage over the citizen who is sitting at home or heading out to there vehicle and is ambushed and surprised
A voice of reason. That's why I'm subscribed.
agreed
When being robbed or attacked, the assailant is actually at very close range for a knife or small firearm.
In most cases, having a shootout in public and at long range could send you to prison.
@joe smith absolutely
To anyone wondering. A .38 special from smith and Wesson is the most used handgun in a self defense situation. From the fbi
Live in N. E. Texas and I remember the incident that happened in Tyler Texas several years. A lunatic armed with an ak47 and body armor tried to kill his ex at the court house in downtown Tyler. A local CCW holder tried to stop the madness. His shots were on target, the prep went down. The CCW holder was out of ammo, the prep got back up and executed the CCW as he tried to hide behind a car. Very sad, props to the CCW holder for his courage, he did, in fact, stopped the killing of others. This has left a very strong impression on me. Religiously carry a spare mag all the time.
@Steven Soco You're almost at lottery odds for needing to shoot someone with your carry gun. A spare mag isn't really a big deal on top of your daily carry.
Religiously practice ur head shots 🔫
Same 👍👍👍
@Steven Soco better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
Actually, the perp got in his truck and tried to get away. He was followed by a cop car with an AR-15 armed cop on the hood. The cop with the AR-15 killed the perp.
I carry a Navy Seal on my right shoulder and my lawyer on my left shoulder. I have no need of a gun
Unless they get into a fight with each other first. Reminds me of the old cartoons with the devil on one shoulder and the angel on the other.
😅😅😅👍 thats awesome
I was a Louisiana Sheriff's Deputy in the 80's and I carried a stainless Ruger, Security Six, .357 Mag. Never felt unprepared because training is the difference, not capacity.
Your calm thought out presentations are always terrific! I’ve been legally carrying for 3 years, upon moving to NC from NYC (hell) I immediately applied for my CHP once I was eligible. I went to a range and had a qualified firearms instructor train me in the use of firearms: how to handle semi autos, revolvers, how to load, clean, and above all gun and range safety. I returned and we did range time with an assortment of handguns to experience recoil, larger handguns, small handguns etc. Then as required by the state I attended the 8 hour CHP training course and passed. I carried a .380 Caliber Ruger LC380 using a hip holster which a shirt outside my pants easily concealed. Last spring I purchased a Beretta Pico which is also a 380 - 6 + 1. Beretta sells their own pocket holster which I highly recommended. It fits perfectly in my front right pocket and it draws smoothly! Beretta designed it with no snags and it is a thin pistol. Yes it took some time to get use to firing .380 from a small, light handgun. You MUST use 2 hands for accuracy! My dilemma: (this is funny) I’ve become so used to carrying it I’m ignoring my other pistols! On my dresser (I live alone so there are no safety issues) there’s my wallet, keys, my Beretta, and a money clip. Each day I routinely place each item in the usual pockets and away I go!
I recently changed my EDC from semi-auto to revolver. I'm confident in my ability to clear malfunctions -- I'm quite proficient at it in my livingroom with snapcaps. But can I do it quickly enough in a situation? Maybe. Maybe not. The common thread in everything I've read about self-defense encounters is that things happen real quick. So I made the decision to scratch FTF & FTE from my list of things that could go wrong. Another factor is that I'm a revolver guy at heart. The first time I strapped steel to my hip rather than polymer, it just felt right TO ME. My two cents! I enjoy your videos, Mr. LG.
What kind of revolver do you have?
What kind of revolver do you have?
And when yr revolver fails yr fqd. Theres no clearing a jammed revolver..
Interesting. When I first got into firearms a few years ago, I thoroughly researched everything I could about the shooting sports and self defense prior to buying my first handgun. I dove headfirst into learning everything I could, from firearm law, self defense law, and mindset to twist rates, kinetic energy, and mechanics.
Through my learning, I came up with a specific list of what I wanted in my first handgun, which would likely be my only handgun for a while (poor college student). I knew I wanted to conceal carry, and as a 120-pound male, I knew I wanted a subcompact. I knew I wanted 9mm for cost, recoil, and capacity reasons. I knew I wanted a hammer-fired gun, preferably DA/SA, and I knew that I wanted a double-stack. I also knew that I wanted it to be suitable for everything: I wanted it small enough to conceal for me, I wanted it to be good enough for home defense, I wanted it to be fun so that I would enjoy practicing with it as a new shooter, I wanted it to be high-enough capacity for me to feel comfortable with it in every role, I wanted it to be attractive enough and high-quality enough to pass down to future generations, and I wanted it to be large enough to be suitable for learning how to shoot with it.
All these factors led me squarely to the subcompact Px4. I've loved it ever since. When I first got it, I was shooting 20" groups at 7 yards as a new shooter. I've improved enough with it that I'm now shooting 2" groups at 7 yards.
Yeah, I was the same way, but I'm 6'3 and 220lbs so I can carry a full sized concealed all the time, even while exercising. I bought a glock 17
What made u want hammer fire??
@@antoniorosiles4834 Even a decade later, I still believe that hammer fired guns are better.
Better trigger, DA/SA as an option, safer in terms of internal mechanics, don't need to pull the trigger to disassemble the gun, don't choke from a little water in the striker channel, etc.
@@LinkHyrule03 what's pulling the trigger to disassemble the gun have to do with anything?
@@bryananderson3772 Requiring the trigger to be pulled for disassembly is an unnecessary design flaw. That flaw isn't present in a massive number of other handguns. That flaw has gotten a fairly substantial number of people shot.
My mother used to carry a Ruger LC9s. She always complained that she was a horrible shot so one day at the range I asked her if I could give it a go. The very first thing I noticed is that it was really light weight and had a very small grip. This was an issue for me personally because with my hand size I could only get two fingers (not counting trigger and thumb) around the weapon. Well I went through a mag (7 rounds) and couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. Between my lack of grip and the high pressure muzzle flip of the 9mm it was hard to shoot accurately. My mother ended up getting rid of it for a different weapon after she realized that was her issues as well. Moral of the story? Choose a weapon with a comfortable grip for you and a size that will allow accurate shot placement. Sad to say I've been significantly more accurate with better weapon reliability from a Hi-Point JHP-45 .45acp than the LC9s. It ain't always the price or fashion that determines if a said weapon will work.
solid points
No, you should probably carry hollow points but that's just my opinion
@@jefferyd6288 For smaller caliber, you should use solid points. So it can penertrate deep enough to deliver the argumnet.
Indeed.
@@Nathan-jh1ho yes.
Chris,
Thanks for articulating new perspective and nuance on capacity. Thanks too to your and your colleagues for producing high-quality video content. Appreciate the attention you all put to camera angle music, sound quality, intro, outro, background, test, lighting, editing, script, etc. that make your videos not only informative and interesting, but also a genuine pleasure to view and listen to.
Thanks!
I can't believe this channel only has 28.6k subs. Very informative and your ability to articulate makes your videos easy to watch. Thanks for being a beacon of light in a sometimes hazy world of firearms information
I started with a snubnose 5 shot revolver. My current preference is a 10+1 DAO double stack 9mm. It happens to be a similar size as my snubnose too
I carry my Revolver In single action no, he said DAO only. The only gun I can think that’s DAO is the sccy cpx2. I could be wrong but that’s the first gun that comes to mind
I just got my permit and plan to pocket carry a Sccy CPX-2, Taurus 856, or LCP2.
Glock 29 Gen 4 10+1 10mm EDC.
I was a gem courier and carried a 32 snub revolver. Small and quiet worked well for me. 💥💥
Conflict happens at 10 feet or less...
Also, if you carry an automatic pistol, you have to rack it unless you want to carry it chambered - revolvers dont have that problem + no brass left.
This video offered a thoughtful presentation and gave me food for thought as I carry a revolver. I became a subscriber- please offer more vids such as this rather than the sea of thoughtless rants out there.
Informative, balanced and sane perspectives.
ManWhoLovesWomen reminds me of Picture Fit, but with guns.
Never enough dakka
The quick answer is "find a gun you can comfortably carry and shoot accurately".
The long answer is "same as above but don't just stick to the range. Ask about class, find a local gun club, make carrying a gun feel as natural to you as wearing shoes."
Practice,practice & more practice - simple word with a life saving results. It’s not the number of rounds you have, it’s where you place them ! Still the question is unanswered. I enjoyed the discussion-well done sir!
Excellent video. Learning how to shoot whatever you carry and recognizing the situation early are key. Then make the first shot count regardless of caliber.
Great and thoughtful video as usual. Keep 'em coming, one of my favorite channels.
Ditto!
I would observe that modern training methods, at least as they appear on you tube, seem to be a self-justifying advertisement for high capacity automatic pistols in recoil heavy pressures and calibers. They are all about emptying the magazine as quickly as possible against one target and "combat reloading" to empty the second magazine as quickly as possible against another target, or maybe even the same target on the assumption that your first 15 rounds missed!
If that is your starting point in training, low-round small pistols in smaller calibers will always appear to be "inadequate". The reasoning of this is circular and driven by an absolute fantasy: facing 3-4 meth addled gorillas weighing 300 lbs, wielding knives and clubs, and maybe carrying semi-auto .223's. This fantasy also drives the quest for more powerful ammo to accomplish by brute force what are basically incompatible alternatives: deep penetration of the round and maximum diameter of expansion of the hollow point. This can be done, but only by either making the gun too recoil heavy for the average civilian to shoot straight, or making it too large and heavy for the ordinary person to carry conveniently.
Now the only people who might face something like this fantasy as a real possibility are law officers, soldiers in close quarter combat, or civilians living in countries with an active insurgency. In other words, people whose job it is to go into harm's way or people that can't escape being in harm's way 24-7. Most American CCW civilians are none of these. And they really shouldn't have to train as if they were. It is not only not necessary, but I think that it's counterproductive for facing the genuine threats a civilian might encounter, like an overwrought flabby neighbor with a tire iron or a robber in a convenience store.
So what's the alternative? If you go back to the old FBI training films of 60 years ago, when lawmen were all operating with just six lead round noses in the wheelgun you'll find the answer: seek cover first if you can, and then put your first shot reliably on target so you don't waste your ammunition.
What this means in practice is that ordinary civilians, using whatever gun they are truly **ready** to be carrying at all times, no matter how small it is, should train with the lightest recoiling ammo in small to medium calibers: lead wadcutters in revolvers and **standard pressure** light-for-caliber auto rounds. And they should stay training with them until they can put such a single low recoil round into an eight inch circle reliably from the draw stroke. Then, and only then, should they be trained to double-tap, and nothing further, until they can put two rounds reliably, one after the other, into the eight inch circle, without any pressure for making "fast follow up shots". I think that if ordinary civilians can shoot lighter rounds that straight, most such trainees should simply stop there and just hone that practice every so often at the range.
But, if they go on, they should be introduced to hot rounds, hollow point bullets, and fast follow-up shots **only** after this basic accuracy training has been successfully completed. Then they will have a real chance of taking those straight shooting double tap skills with them on the challenge of shooting more "stopping power" powder and bullet loads without having to empty 15 round magazines in the general direction of the targets. Finally the "combat" procedures currently in training vogue should be introduced only when the students can reliably double tap with hot expanding rounds.
The current practice of telling people to carry the most powerful round in the highest magazine capacity and the largest gun that they can endure is simply incorrect. We should be carrying the highest caliber convenient-to-carry gun with ammunition that we can actually shoot straight. Everything else is icing on the cake.
+Karmakshanti Vyapini I agree with a lot of your sentiment here, but I believe you greatly underestimate what the average person is capable of after one or two days of high quality instruction and carefully selected equipment.
Lucky Gunner Ammo Thanks for your thoughtful and prompt reply. I may have sold beginning shooters short, I must admit. And if they usually can progress faster than my exaggeration implies, that is certainly better for everybody. But, without the exaggeration, I think the point is still there: train accuracy before "fast follow up" shooting, and train those who prefer to carry small and low round count to husband shots and trust their shooting skills with the double tap. One thing that makes me sad, because I'm old and remember the pre-Glock police, is when I read of a critical incident where an officer simply dumps a full magazine into a dangerous perp, or, worse, sprays the magazine all over the neighborhood to put only 2-3 in the perp. I don't think this has to be and I think we have lost some focus on the need for accuracy as a result of having all those rounds in the box, even when we train the professionals.
In any event, I'm a huge fan of you, your channel, and your ammo tests which I've found to have implications far beyond round choice for one's pistol. I'm slowly beginning to doubt all the hype and emphasis over the past few decades about JHP's, over-pressured loads, and larger caliber rounds. If you look at your tests (and others) on TH-cam, it seems to me that we gain far less in performance from these things than we ought to for all the inconvenience to shooting straight that they create. There are appreciable gains, of course, but, at the end of the day, I wonder how much difference they really make. But none of this decreases my enjoyment of the channel and I salute you for the really intelligent and thoughtful product you put out here.
I put down the first reply about four months ago but I've been thinking about this in more detail. Looking at the multi shot drills people are actually running, an immense amount of time is spent horsing around with spare magazines, speed loaders, and speed strips. In a gunfight, time is your enemy. I wonder if it would be simpler to carry two smaller guns of the same make and model as a New York Reload. With a small 7+1 single stack two guns would give you 16 pre-loaded rounds, and two J-frame revolvers would give you ten. If you are going to carry something as "back-up" why not pre plan for it's use? Your time in the fight would then be mostly pulling the trigger, and pulling the trigger effectively is what will shorten the time in your favor.
This right here is exactly why I always carry a brace of Colt Delta Elites, with a pair of .357 mag snubnose's, one for each ankle, as backup. Why pull a spare mag when you can just pull a brand new gun? I'll even potentially considered a claymore, for small of the back carry. The curve of the blast face seems like it might be ideal for that position.
@@karmakshantivyapini4734 meh, we live in lands of plenty, and can own more than just one pistol. Personally most days I don't carry, when I do it is almost always a nna five round .22mag. but back in the day I would move money from the office to the bank, and then I carried 2 full-sized with at least four spare mags. Some days I just feel the need to carry something bigger than the pocket pistol.
Personally, and I know that this will set everyone off, but when I carried 2 pistols and expected trouble I had them set up for duel wielding. Only once did I pull them both at the same time, I was a body guard and needed to.... Get attention while my associate guided our employer to a better place. The actual reason for the duel wielding training was if one arm was immobilized the other arm could draw and fire while I solved the problem. (Say your child in fear grabs your dominant hand, or you get suddenly attacked and need one arm to defend yourself.) What this would look like in a ny reload ' normal ' combat is you pull your right hand gun, fire with both hands, then put your right hand gun back with the right hand, while drawing the left hand gun with the left hand. You possibly fire one or two rounds one handed left handed, to suppress enemy action started while you 'reloaded'. Then you transfer the gun to the right hand and continue firing with both hands. No one is talking about movie shooting, just good practical use of both arms.
Excellent advice. The only time I ever actually needed to present a firearm, merely seeing it (a 6 shot .38 revolver) reminded an entire gang of young thugs of a previous engagement elsewhere. apparently, it was very important, and they were very late. But your point IS valid. My wife had a Bodyguard .380 for ccw. At the range, she did excellently with her Walther PK 380, but couldn't get anything on black with the BG 380, and only 3 even on the paper. We got rid of the BG 380. When I went from my M&P Shield 9 mm to my 442, the safest place to be was directly in front of me. Fortunately, I'm stubborn, and practiced till I'm pretty good with it. A couple of years ago, I hit 13 out of 15 rounds fired, at 15 yards, all 13 in the target's kill zone. I carry 2 speed strips in my pocket. So I don't feel as though I'm under-gunned. And the 442, while not a high capacity 9 mm, is something I can always have on me.
The 327 Federal Magnum revolvers often get overlooked. Chris, you mentioned them favourably in at least one review, but I think they deserve to be mentioned whenever recoil and ammo capacity are cited as inherent problems in snubnose revolvers, since they are less problematic in these areas than say, a 38 Special or a 357 revolver. Your own chart shows how quick follow-up shots using 32 H&R Magnum are easier than with many other calibers/cartridges. So, 6 shots in an easier-to-control revolver seems much better than say 5 in a jumping 38 or 357 J frame, particularly in the hands of smaller/weaker shooters.
And self defence scenarios can be categorised. The most violent and protracted shootouts (requiring higher capacity) seem to occur outdoors, typically in police incidents, but maybe also in car jackings. Good observation skills can usually help you evade these situations altogether. In retail stores you are more trapped, but the robbers are seldom more than one or two, and are easily discouraged if you start shooting. In any case, IMO it's the first two seconds (from your draw) which usually decide who wins and who loses. So once again, IMO whichever gun works best for you in those two seconds is the best one to carry, regardless of capacity. Therefore, capacity would come further down my list of priorities.
I really like that you mention the advantages which revolvers have in close contact fights/shootings. Maybe the police should reflect on this and reserve their semi-autos for encounters of 10+ yards.
Hello Chris, I'm a petite 64 year old woman with small hands. I have arthritis in my hands and trigger finger. (not like trigger happy, like stenosing tenosynovitis) I just purchased a S&W 380 Shield EZ w/ a Crimson Trace. This is due in part to your video review of the Shield EZ saying that it has less recoil, was fun to shoot and a confidence builder for the novice, which I completely am. This being said, please qualify why you say that smaller guns are harder to draw and if you find this statement to be equally true for people of varying hand size and experience. Thanks for the vid, you're always very clear and informative, and yes, I subscribed!
Lucky 13 is my magic number. 6 +1 in the gun and a back up mag with 6 more.
If I need more than 13 , Im going places I shouldn't be going. I hope I will never
be in a situation to even use 1.
I got more in my gun then you do in yours plus 2 mags, xdm 9 19+1
I got a 1911 so my lucky number is 15. God willing ill never need 1 round let alone the other 14. Like you said if i need more that that i messed up and ended up somewhere i shouldnt have
Glock 42?
My g42 has 13 accurate rounds it will do the job
Wilson Combat EDC X9 keep 1 in the chamber and use the 18 round mag instead of the 15
I would agree that training and practice are paramount no matter what the capacity. Coming from carrying every type of handgun with the exception of a s&w 500 or desert eagle knowing your firearm and how to appropriately use in a situational sense trumps ammo capacity. Ideally I want as many as I can carry but sometimes that is not practical. Great video
Every second that you spend shooting is also a second when you can get shot, so the chances of needing more ammo get exponentially lower, because you´ll either be dead or the threat will be neutralized.
Best series of CC and defensive training videos on YT, we want more!
Pfft i always carry my M249 on my person
pfffft I always have an A-10 warthog circling my location
pfffffft I always have a orbital strike locked on my location.
Pfffft, I always have the Death Star on my becon call...
I live in cali so I have a pet rock. Cant be bigger than 6oz or could be considered an assault rock. Its registered under my name as well and has to be concealed at all times and no high capacity sniper clips!
If your carting that much iron, go with a used M 60 or a new 240B, lol.
You make a valid point. I learned to shoot with the M9 15 rounds. I now have an SP 100. Love it, but 5 rounds means I must train with it. I shoot weekly. Revolvers are by far much more challenging to shoot than a semi auto. Train no matter what you carry.
Great channel, no nonsense, practical and sober. Subbed and watching. Keep up the great work.
A civilian may reply, "Enough to stop an attacker." A soldier, " How many magazines can I carry." Still comes down to your perspective.
You are really doing a great job presenting your points in videos you upload. I really enjoy your balanced perspectives and topic selection
Good video!
I’m retired, so I stay at home most of the time. Especially during these “COVID” times. I do carry (appendix) my S&W 640 Pro at home all the time but when I venture out I strap on my Sig P320sc.
Capacity is always been a crap shoot when carrying concealed. I’m a believer in carry what you shoot the best!
Two rules: getting the first shot and shot placement.
Thanks for posing this question! I've been wrestling with this myself lately, trying to decide between an XDs and an XD Mod 2 double stack sub compact. I'll be using it for concealed carry, so I'm leaning toward the XDs. But your video has me reconsidering!
"six bullets, more than enough to kill anything that moves"
What if there are more than one?
@@williamfrawley1175 it's a metal gear solid refrance
Just found this channel and I have to say, I'm already a fan. It's got a very high production value, particularly more so than most gun channels, and I enjoy the educational style.
Thanks!
"I wish I'd had less ammo in that gunfight I was just in"
-Nobody ever
But what if you want the trophy for killing the last enemy with your last round?
I’ve actually seen videos where people lose their heads and start trying to shoot someone in the back because they’ve got the rounds to do it. So... I bet they did when they got court papers the next day.
Glock C-mag time
How many people actually get in gun fights that last more than a full mag? Do you guys live in Iraq or the wild west?
@@bluehaze214 Citizens not many
I've seen plenty of cops dump 2 mags into somebody however
I have reviewed hundreds of videos regarding guns and CCW... this is the most pragmatic one so far. I used to buy and sell various 9mm double stack guns... always thinking capacity was very important. Then I came across another channel that shows hundreds of actual video footage of armed defenders doing their thing. That along with the narration drew me to a new conclusion - pretty much what you said here. Almost ALL of the instances in which you would need a pistol are very quick, and only one maybe two or three shots needed. Almost none of them require more than 4 or 5. So people that think you need more simply do not recognize reality and we all have seen way tooo many cop tv shows and movies. Once the bad guy takes one to the chest (I don't care what caliber) he is running for cover if he can still move. Best pistol for me is snub nosed 38 special.
Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt. Sun Tzu
Concealed carry gun is a 5 shot 44 Special with a 4" barrel, a bobbed hammer, and a very smooth trigger. A 44 Special at close range hits with authority.
People constantly forget the affect adrenaline and fear have on your shooting ability. Giving yourself 5 shots is really rolling the dice. Sure you can put 5 shots on paper, but in that moment you will likely throw most of those shots off target. I say stick with a double stack, you can conceal them fine. Yes carry an extra mag, if not 2. There are MANY ways to make this fit into your daily attire comfortably. If you end up not needing it, that isn't a problem. If you end up needing it but you don't have it, that is a problem.
Hollow Point Yep, training is as important as anything else. Train the way you fight, fight the way you train.
Sycamorebacker1 who said any thing about randomly shooting 25 or 30 rounds on city streets? Just interjecting bull shit into the mix are we.
a well trained or prepared shooter can carry a snub or 5/6 shot defense revolver. too many people think they will be in a bad cop show or Steven Segal type event. most lethal force events occur in seconds. you can prepare for these events. just use good judgement & proper weapons.
Usually one or more bystanders get hit? I am going to need a source on that.
It's common sense. If you're so poorly trained or susceptible to adrenaline shock that you can't hit the bad guy with 5 shots, you shouldn't have a gun. With each bullet missed, you're hitting something, or someone, you didn't intend to hit.
THE BEST CHANNEL ON TH-cam on self defense topics. Thank you.
Great vid, cant believe I havent watched this one yet when Ive seen most of your vids. Anyway, I carry a shield chambered in 9mm, so thats 7+1/8+1 and usually carry the extra mag which gives me 16 rounds total. I feel as though thats enough for almost any situation although at times it feels inadequate and I start searching for more capacity. Like you said, most CCW defense encounters are done in under 5 shots but in this day-and-age we also have to be prepared for mass shootings and terrorists. 16 rounds total may not be enough to finish the fight, but say worst case scenario there are multiple attackers wearing body armor, 16 well places shots can end the fight. I understand the argument for revolvers, as they have been used forever and dont jam but this isnt the 80s, we are dealing with a much different threat in our day to day.
Great video, logical and educational.
After much thought, I chose a 38 snub and carry 1 extra speed strip. And I carry it 100% of the time.
It's a fine line between self defense and committing a crime, when counting rounds fired at an attacker.
Be prepared to answer for every round in court.
I'd hate to get too full of adrenaline during an encounter, and have to answer for 17 rounds or more.
I still shoot double stacks too, just don't carry them.
Thanks again for the info.
In the Army, I was taught how to get one-shot stops with what is today is a low capacity pistol, a M1911 pistol in .45 ACP. This instructor was a master sergeant who learned his craft facing Japanese soldiers in the Pacific Theatre during World War II, the kind of person you listened to because of real world experience.
Concise. Thought I would share an experience. An instructor friend invited me to sit in on his concealed class last. 15 in the class of which 8 were women. All but one had small 380/9mm single stacks. One had j frame. They had a tough time running the fairly easy course of fire to pass the class. One of the men had a G19 that he in turn passed to his wife to see if that helped. She passed with flying colors. I personally tried the new 43 and have since decided to stick with the 26 not so much for capacity but more grip to grab. We need to get trained into this small gun craze. Thanks
Generally the extra mag isn't for extra ammo but it's significantly faster to drop a malfunctioning mag and load a new one than it is to try to figure out the malfunction. But extra ammo is nice too
I recommend a high capacity LMG for home defense, preferably belt fed with the belt draped around your shoulders and a bandana around your head. If you have two, even better (the gun I mean, not the bandana)
I carry a sp101 357magnum with 2 speed loaders and I don't feel out gunned
getting one too... Wyly clapp 3".... revlover is used to stop issue or fight my way to my truck where my extra ammo and long gun are... i carried a S&W 642 and praticed w/ a S&W 317 for 3 years great set up...wished i hadn't had to sell them
TheRealestEver never looking for trouble just want another reload just in case, like having extra insurance cause you never know when you might need it... always have head on a swivel
TheRealestEver i here ya... different mind set, i've always though w/ a single firearm one should always carry some extra ammo, even if it's just a strip clip w/ 5 extra rnds... , i've always trained that if i fire me gun it gets reloaded... if i was carrying as a back-up i might not have extra rnd for like a NAA .22mag... my home defence rifle is my Win 94 30-30 which is always loaded...
Big Andy 210....I love my SP101....Just got it a month ago and i'm doing great with it...Still have a S&W 9mm which i am very proficient with,but Nothing like a Ruger SP101....Hand Tanks!
Same here only I just carry one most of the time. I pack the 4 incher how bout you?
I appreciate a thoughtful discussion on capacity. I carry a G30s with two extra 10 round magazines, so 30 rounds of 45 auto is my EDC. My nightstand gun is a full size M&P 40, a police trade in with good night sights, a rail for a light, and three 15 round magazines. I also have a single stack Kahr CW9, which is a very nice, ergonomic and slim 9mm, but I am leaning towards maybe trading that and a little cash for a Glock 26. I think 10 rounds is the point where I feel okay with the capacity of what I carry, 9+1 or 10+1 doesn't matter too much to me. I also like having at least one extra magazine. I've carried a lot of pistols, from a 7 round SIG 938 to a 15 round CZ 75 compact. The G30s feels good, I like 45 auto, and I am used to carrying a gun all the time. Jeans, t-shirt, good gun belt and holster, and a button up shirt one size too big is my cover garment. Plus it helps I am retired and don't have to work in my current EDC. Then I could see a much different set up and smaller handgun.
Grey
Carry the biggest and most powerful gun you can use effectively and Will Have on you consistently. Actually practice with the gun you carry. If all you can handle is a 22, its better than not having one. But 38, 9mm, or even 45 ACP can be handled by most people, with a little instruction and practice. Personally, I like 45 Super in an all metal CZ , Colt or Sig mid size Pistol.
I can fit an AR/AK pistol in a brief case, or should I go with one of those 14 inch pistol grip only shotguns I see in the gun store? Loaded with 3 inch magnum slugs of course? Maybe I should open carry a mossberg 930...with one of those 24 round super drums used in some competitions. Nothing like 24 rounds of buck shot in semi-auto to encourage a re-enrollment in community college.
Its nice that you walk around with a hand canon. But as I've worked various jobs that involved bending, squatting and even crawling, that for concealed carry, only a very small gun would do.
Keith Larsen nothing he mentioned carrying is excessively large. You can shoot 45 super out of a commander 1911, steel-framed.
@@obergruppenfuhrerjohnsmith5981Some very nice 10mm on 1911 frames too.
Doug west what cz is chambered in 45? never heard of that ever
@@rbreeze789 The CZ 97B is chambered in .45 acp.
I'm an old timer. I've carried just about every gun and caliber made over the years. Everything from small 25 auto, 38's, 9's, 45's, 44 mags and everything in between. For years I just carried what ever I happened to be using at the moment, and no reload. As I've gotten older, I've stated carrying an extra magazine or a speedstrip if I'm packing a revolver. I sometimes still don't carry an extra magazine if I'm carrying a HI-cap auto such as a 18 shot Glock 17. But sometimes I do. My current carry gun is a Glock model 43-9mm, single stack. 6 round magazine. I carry an extra mag with this pistol giving me 13 total. I'm comfortable with that. I do sometimes also carry a back up 22 auto I have. 9 rounds in it, and I don't carry an extra mag for it.
Depends on the situation. I carry my LCP most of the time. If I'm going to a shady area or a long trip then my G19 goes with me. Weather plays a roll too.
Situational awareness is key. When in the woods, sound is your friend. In urban areas, it's sight. Windows and reflections are excellent choices for viewing surroundings, lighting is key, park your car in strategic areas when going out, if you feel menaced at night pull into a business parking lot like a convenience store, give yourself distance when walking past someone, if you think someone is following you, step into a bar or restaurant, when using Uber or Lyft, check the license plate number before getting in ( my daughter will even purposely ask them a wrong name so the driver will correctly i.d. themselves) I carry a small 9mm for hiking with an extra magazine as it's light and not bulky. I have a ruger lcrx in .327 federal magnum for my EDC. It's a 6 shot, easy to use, fast to draw, safe and It'll shoot a variety of .32 ammo so it gives me options. Training is key. I work with a couple of anti 2A people who asked me what kind of gun to buy when the pandemic hit. Neither had fired a weapon in their lives. I told them to go to Walmart and buy a baseball bat and explained that the average responsible gun owner isn't some Rambo wannabe and that it takes training to safely defend one's self and if they bought a gun on Friday they'd likely accidentally shoot themselves by Sunday ( one of them actually thought that it would be "cool" if he got a "flesh wound"). That's all I got.
Peace, keep in mind there may be more than one attacker so the more ammo the better.
Very good points! Totally agree with your points about small guns being a bit scary for the newbie......the recoil, shootability, etc. I LOVE your S&W 66 video. That is the perfect sized gun. Just my opinion of course.
I just watched your video on the Beretta where you said reliability is your first priority. If the chances of being in a shooting are very small to begin with, and your number one concern for your handgun is reliability, wouldn't it make sense to go with a revolver? I don't have a revolver at the moment, but plan to get one since they are simple and reliable.
Revolver reliability is often way overblown and misunderstood. A quality revolver can be reliable, but they are very sensitive to maintenance needs. If you don't keep a revolver clean and pay attention to screws, rods, and other parts that tend to want to move when it's fired a lot, it will quickly become an unreliable gun. Revolvers have a simple manual of arms, but they are not mechanically simple at all. Internally, they are like an analog watch with lots of interdependent moving parts.
A semi-auto can also be very reliable, and most of the ones I own are. I expect a good semi-auto to malfunction no more than once every 1000 rounds, and preferably less. I consider that an acceptable track record for a self-defense gun.
Hi Chris, but on the same token... If someone is not able to properly look after a revolver, they probably aren't going to look after a pistol either, wouldn't you agree? Maintenance is key with any firearm.
Also, one could make the case that revolvers can be shot from inside a pocket or a coat, or when fighting for your gun, whereas a semi-auto would snag on clothing and jam. Revolvers can also be fired pressing against an attacker while the semi-auto would go out of battery doing the same.
Yes, no one can argue that having 17 shots is better than 6. And I think that semi-autos can be extremely reliable. But there are merits to the wheel gun.
BTW, I like semi-autos and I enjoy your videos and presentation. :) Thank you for sharing and keep 'em up. Be safe.
Yes, maintenance is always important. However, when people say they want a revolver because it's "simple", what they often mean is that they expect it to be less maintenance intensive. The legendary status of revolver reliability leads people to place too much confidence in the revolver's ability to work properly after being abused and neglected.
Revolvers do have an advantage in extreme close quarters/contact-range encounters. These types of encounters are actually quite rare for civilians, but yes, revolvers are less prone to having problems in a FUT. That's one reason I think a snub nose is a fantastic backup gun for the few people who choose to carry one. That said, revolvers aren't completely immune to being bound up by the same things that make semi's choke in an entangled fight.
All that said, I beleive statistically, an encounter with multiple attackers is more likely than an contact-range encounter, so I don't think that's a good enough reason to tip the scales in favor of carrying a revolver over a higher capacity auto.
Those are definitely good points, sir. You certainly know your facts and I'm grateful for you taking the time to exchange opinions and share your knowledge.
This is a deep, complicated subject (we're talking about life and death here) and I believe there sure isn't one only "correct" approach. We could play the "what if" game 'til the cows come home and we'll never get a definitive answer. There are some clear better and worse choices (ie: don't carry a BB gun) but at the end we'll always need to compromise something. Considering the statistical data as you mention, sure seems like a smart way to approach it.
Thank you and keep up the good work!
One of the biggest considerations for me is how I dress. I have to dress nicely for work (button up shirt & tie) with slacks. A tiny subcompact, eg P32, or a J frame revolver is much easier to conceal in my pocket. Either is a compromise in capacity compared to a double stacked 9mm, but they are easy to conceal and that's the main reason I don't carry a 9mm. However, I have been thinking about an M&P Shield :)
I carry a LCP with plus one mag . 8 rounds , 380 , hydro shock 90 grain . I carry in my pocket I wear a suit to work it’s extremely small and light and you forget you have it . No bigger then a wallet I don’t take the garbage out without it in my pocket . My father was a firearms instructor and swat Sgt I am proficient with the gun . 3-4in groups at 5 yards one handed from a quick draw . 2 handed I’m putting rounds through the same hole at any distance in an indoor range . I put 50-100 rounds a month through the gun .
Shot placement , under pressure drills , realistic training and monthly visits to the gun range .
My pops would carry a 5 shot 38 plus p on his ankle and even a 32 sea camp . He was shooting at your head . He was past the center of mass shooting . If he had 8 rounds that’s 8 dead people in helmets and body armor . Didn’t matter . These were face shots
My point is , he was so trained his shot placement was perfect . Train , train , draw , draw , dry fire drills at home . Train some more . Obviously would never recommend head shots to anyone not an expert shoot for center of mass .
My point is , I’ll take a trained guy with a 25 ACP over a guy with a Glock 29 who goes to the range once every six months .
One 22 mag in the face is better then 280 grains in a wall behind the guy .
Train more . You’ll never be out gunned
I have gotten back into cowboy action firearms lately and I have been training a bunch. I outshoot most of the people at the range.
Just found your channel. Well thought out material. Thanks.
Boils down to a well placed shot
from cover.
Here in Eastern Europe.. I carry Makarov PM. with 2 magazines.. there are two reasons. extra mag helps if the first one fails. also if under stress I miss my shots.
Czech Republic?
@@mitch5775 Lithuania.
@@240pixel Thats cool man I only knew that Czechia had concealed carry permits, whats the process like to get a license in Lithuania?
@@mitch5775 Most of eastern Europe is more gun-friendly than some US states are. Here we even produce our own AR-15's (Thunder armory) And about carry permits, here is short version: Process is not super complex since permits are given out on 'shall issue basis' so you don't need any reasons to have it like in other European nations or New York, all you do is fill in online application in police website, finish 5 days course about the laws for self defense and responsible gun ownership. get your medical inspection. (proof that you are sane and do not use drugs) also gun safe must be at your home (police comes in to check it once) and you are all set. this whole thing takes a few months and ~150$. Here is some positives and negatives:
On a plus side: we don't have those stupid SBR laws so you can have 13 inch AR-15 with no fees or add stock to a pistol. Government is not anti-gun. and recently even advised for people to be armed in case of SHTF situation. (Because we have our "good" neighbor to the east and migrants invading western Europe)
On a bad side: carry with a round in the chamber is not allowed (so revolvers are popular way around it) and all guns are registered in law enforcement data base. They take casing and bullet samples.
P.S. funny how here we have AR-15's and all the other guns and one of the highest alcoholism and suicide rates on the planet but not a single mass shooting in 27 years of our independency when gun ownership became a thing.
@@240pixel That is a very interesting perspective and national experience that I never considered. And it might be that those methods would work here, even within the confines of our Second Amendment jurisprudence.
I used a single stack 9mm compact 2.5 inch barrel for Conceal carry. Magazine is designed for 7 but I keep 5 in it and one in the pipe. Range is good for 1 to 5 yards But in a critical situation 5 yards is pretty long range. For Home Defense we have a full size 9mm double stack magazine With both pistols we practice rapid fire point shooting with no sights at ranges from 3 to 7 yards Took the wife quite a few tries to not use the sights
I’m ok with 5, and 5 in a speed loader or two. Especially if it’s in .44 special or .357
Your last comments in this video are the best advice anyone use. Great video
It really comes down to a personal assessment of how we interpret the odds. The odds are that I will never need my weapon. Yet my decision to carry every day since 1994 is informed by having used my gun to stop a home invasion. So having made the decision to carry every day, I must then balance the contradiction between comfort and capacity. The truth is that I am not comfortable attempting to conceal a full size hand gun. Additionally, the more capacity you go for the more weight you have to deal with. I can comfortably carry a 5 shot snub nose or a compact single stack 9mm every day, so that is what I choose to do. And I never feel "under gunned."
Hey Chris the G26 is my favorite handgun for cc , but the glock system is not for the novice or weak handed. Thanks for the work you do .
6 bullets. More than enough to kill anything that moves!
Kyle stopped three men with three shots in a melee running battle. Its the cool not the mag cap.
Clerk at the local gun store recommends selecting something in the belt fed, crew served line as being the best.
I know this is an older video but I just thought of something. I'm a fairly new shooter (got my license in December) and noticed a lot of the recommendations for carry guns are high capacity striker fired polymer 9mm's. The biggest issue there is that my state (Massachusetts) doesn't allow more than a 10rd magazine. Which renders one of the big benefits of the 9mm totally null and void. A friend of mine has the mentality of "if I'm stuck to 10, might as well make 'em big" so he sticks with .45 ACP or .357 Magnum guns. Any advice for someone who lives in a restrictive state like this?
+Andrew McGlame Capacity is only one benefit of shooting 9mm over other calibers, and it's not even the main one. The biggest benefit is that 9mm is easier to shoot. It's easier to learn how to shoot with a 9 than any other service caliber, and you'll end up being quicker and more accurate. It's also cheaper than any other centerfire cartridge, so you can afford to practice more. The ballistic advantage of a larger caliber is minimal, especially if modern 9mm defensive ammo is used. Even if limited to 10 rounds, I would still primarily shoot 9mm.
Lucky Gunner Ammo Thank you for the advice. I'll have to do some more research on my own to see just how heavy the .45's recoil is.
Andrew wise decision rent a 45 first and see how you like it. Honestly IMHO I don't feel the 45 is all that heavy of a recoil. There are a lot of
factors involved with recoil heck I have a Ruger LCP in 380 which is supposed to be a tame round but fire it from a gun that weighs only 10 oz and its a snappy little gun. Point being you could get a 45 cal in a frame size and weight that takes most of the recoil out of it. My wife tends to be a bit recoil sensitive but can shoot my Bersa UC45 pro with no complaints has less snap than her 38. cal light frame revolver.
Andrew McGlame
I carry a Springfield EMP4. It has a 10+1 capacity. It is a 1911 design. I also, usually, carry another mag. Alien Gear makes an excellent mag design. I carry it because I can shoot it very well.
Model 66 Combat, practice with 38 special, carry 357 mag HP for defense. When your 6 shots are gone you can always beat the bad guy unconscious with it.
This is another excellent video. Your channel is one of the very few well done presentations for shooters. The material is always well thought out and presented very clearly. And the production quality is very high. I always look forward to your new videos. Thanks. And, I have been able to buy some ammo I was looking for. It's a win win for me. 😁
Glock 26 is a good balance of capacity and size.
Glocks suck
Too heavy. Too thick. No safety, no good for IWB. I own one. Good shooter though.
@Steven Soco Wrong. The trigger is not as light as you imagine it to be. You obviously don't have one.
@@sevenrats Depends on the model. G26 and G43 are great for CCW.
@@camabron1 I have a g26. It's a brick.
Chris makes the most sense I've heard in this never ending debate. For a subject so fiercely disputed, he really makes the point that it is far from the most important consideration. Statistically it's more likely to be stuck by lightning, than need > 5 shots.
Most rounds that you can conceal effectively.
I am addicted to these videos. I get excited when they pop up in my feed. I am officially a fan boy, well played guys.
7 is enough how do I know that??...cause John Moses Browning didn’t put in 8
The Browning Hi-Power had 13 rounds, maybe Moses had second thoughts? :P
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Thanks. You always put out informative, well thought out videos, and I find it extremely refreshing in the tac-t-kewl youtube gun environment. Much appreciated.
A thought; if you believe you need 13-15 rounds in a pistol possibly you need to consider lifestyle choices or something else.
lol who says you "need" that many? I choose to carry a Glock 17 IWB. It's not my fault the damn thing holds 17 rounds lolol.
I can't say I care for your choice but at least there is evidence of intelligent life out there. Great answer. 5 points.
I shall accept those 5 points with pride, sir.
Not necessarily NEED but MIGHT because there might be multiple threats. Or another officer needs a gun. In a survival situation you can use bullets for the gun powder to make fire(will probably never happen).
Yep, my CZ75 holds 16+1 what am I gonna do just load 6? I suppose I could carry my S&W model 27 and just beat the bad guys unconscious with it... it's a big chunk of metal.
Great summary of a huge question. This issue will never be resolved. It's like debating which is the correct SUV to drive. Carry something you can shoot well, and maintain your skills.
It really depends on where you live. If you live in a very "diverse" area with lots of "urban youths" I would carry an auto with more ammo, they tend to travel in packs.
Chase H. Christ dude. I hope that’s a joke
Will Actually he’s on point.
Ok boomer
Nathan Motoyama lololololol. Yeah I am and your day is approaching
@@will2316 No, he absolutely right. Wake the fuck up.
You made good, solid points in this video. I'm of the opinion that carrying something is better than nothing. That said, I also train with what I carry. I'm not happy until I can not just get bullets on target with aimed fire, but also with point shooting. As to high capacity, I worry less about that than what I'm willing to carry based on odds. I've lost interest in carrying the larger guns. I'm not a fan of the polymers either. Not saying I hate them. Just saying I would prefer a J-Frame, Sig P238, or Sig P938 instead. I can put all of these in a pocket and not feel like I have a boat anchor and not worry about how I dress. Certainly there are limits to pocket carry such as accessibility. That is a big one. However, it can be trained for. In all cases, situational awareness is king. There are also no win situations like the FBI Dade County shootout demonstrated back in 1986.
Talk about your EDC?
+1
Experiences on classes attended? Instructor reviews?
Skip the hype. Try NSR Tactical. I tried Stealthgear, not worth the money. Maybe Lastlineofdefense here on TH-cam. He makes custom holsters.
+Smith & Wesson the George AIWB from JM Custom Kydex is a good one.
I really like your background and knowledge going into different subjects. I find it fascinating when you throw in statistics and relevant training towards the topics. I'm s big fan of your channel and look forward to every video.
Basically: if you feel the need to carry a weapon, TRAIN WITH IT!
No matter how good your gun may be, it´s useless if you cannot use it.
Practice makes perfect, after all.
Sim. Frischh if you have to remember the details of how the damn thing works in an emergency, you’ve got a problem. I don’t like glocks, but they did solve that problem.
@@johnnybeanz1296 Yes, that is the one thing us Austrians can do well: make simple things.
Like the Austrian School of Economy.
I am a subscriber and I think that I have seen all your videos. -some more than once. You have the most informative and best delivery that I have heard. Of course , I now buy all my ammo from Lucky Gunner!! Sometimes even before I buy the weapon to fire it.
Is that why the g-19 is so popular?
iyn1911 yes but they are harder to conceal. Sometimes the Google 26 is hard toconceal. I am a disabled senior citizen and carry a .38 Ruger LCRX +P revolver. Enough for me.
No, the G19 is so popular due to marketing.
I was a ghetto cop for 20 years. 99 % of my armed suspect contacts were at distances of less than 10 feet. Most of those were within 5 ft.
I carry a 5 shot .38 and a 10 shot .25 as my back up because that's all I have. If I had money to buy a new firearm I would. Better than nothing though!
Nerd it up, nothing wrong with that you do the best you can with what you have. Now if you said you have a safe full of high capacity pistols and thats what you chose to carry I may think differently of your post.
yeah not here where I live lol
You carry 2 guns? Lol
@@camabron1 you will find that a lot of people do. If 5 shots isnt enough and by the grace of God you have the seconds to draw your second gun. Cuz lets be real. Speedloading a revolver under high levels of stress takes nerves of steel.
@@cultofmalgus1310 Lol! Carry a 10 shot sa
Small gun = more convenient to carry = Hence you are more likely to have it when you need it.
large ass guns = difficult to carry + uncomfortable to carry = discouraging to carry = you not having it when you need it.