Do you notice he almost always does one take per segment? Most do so much cut-splice that it is distracting. You can tell he puts a lot of thought into the narrative-no rambling. Thank you for another great video Mr. Harrell
I feel like Paul's presentations are some of the best firearms related content one can find on TH-cam. I really appreciate how thorough he is in explaining his reasoning and also the great amount of time and effort he puts into producing truly informative videos.
I gave up my patreon support of an other channel in order to send the money to Paul. He beats the shit out of every other channel with his hands tied behind his back.
Paul's channel is awesome . . . it is known. His super-in-depth, methodical approach is definitely unique, as is his personality. This is the only gun channel that I have been tempted to just LISTEN TO, without watching, just to hear him talk.
I generally carry a G19 with a standard capacity magazine in the weapon. I usually carry a G17 magazine on my person as a backup. However, in both of my vehicles I have 33 round magazines in the console. Two things I learned in Vietnam. 1 you can’t carry too much water. 2 you can’t carry too much ammo. C/2/16 1st Inf Div ‘69. Great video as usual. Always look forward to the next one.
That's one question I had. An extended magazine is harder to conceal, quite a bit heavier and harder to draw. So it would make more sense to carry the standard capacity as a back-up. But stashing them in your vehicles is very smart.
Im currently in 1ID. Best division in the Army brother. Thank you for serving in Vietnam. That was a very tough time for our country and there are folks who appreciate what you did for us.
11B here - I did time in A/1/8 4th ID, and B/2/3 2nd ID - deployed 4 times to Iraq and Afghanistan. I ALWAYS carried extra water and ammo - why? Because I listened to someone like you (a Vietnam vet) and it saved my ass more than once.
While I went into the service right after Vietnam (1977) the people who trained me in those trades were veterans of that war of multiple combat tours between them, and to a man, they all pounded that rational into my head above all other logistics.... Also my friend who served in 3rd army under Patton's leadership told me the same thing was tought to him 2 wars prior..... I never really had opportunities to talk tactics with anyone who served in WW1 on that personal of a level.....😉 I carry a PT111G2 for personal protection and found that an 18 shot standard mag of the P226 works quite well as a mag that brings the capability of this subcompact up to that of a full sized pistol if needed..... And as I've lived the "Better to have it and not need it, over Need it and not have it" club.... Since it doesn't pose a problem, I like it.....
Agreed. Folks often say "research your local firearms laws." But, they should _also_ say "research your local District Attorney and his/her attitude towards firearms."
This is my OPINION. Barring malfunctions, if you have to reload to continue firing in a self defense situation, you have transitioned from a self-defense situation into an actual firefight situation. Two entirely different things and requiring two entirely different courses of action and mindsets. If there is even a possibility of a situation turning into a firefight as a - *single individual civilian* - you need to do everything you can to immediately disengage, escape and evade. Prolonging the encounter will not only increase the odds of death or injury but, again, IMO, possibly lead to severe legal complications for you after the fact. At the end of the day, ALL you are trying to do is save your life.
I love your response. If someone needs a 32rd 9mm mag, it means they're using the wrong weapon in the first place. My idea is using a snubnose hammerless, plus a combat 9mm (or full size revolver + compact 9mm), with the idea of NOT carrying extra mags. If ~20 rounds isn't enough I'd be more concerned with finding cover, escaping, and/or calling the cops than an extra mag. As for why I like wheel-guns, I in a true emergency, I simply can't believe that any other handgun gets the FIRST round on target faster than a revolver.
Thank you! I like Paul’s presentations, but this debate itself is ridiculous. If you are an armored car driver or a jeweler, or in executive protection, these might apply, but then you’d have different rules anyway regarding what you carry.
Adding to that, when you have your day in court, do not be surprised when the other side has field day over you carrying a Magnum XL Coffin Assault magazine on your person. And assume that those will be “whens”, not “ifs”.
@@xxxYYZxxx if you truly believe a revolver is the fastest way to get a shot on target idk what to say. How is a revolver any faster than say a Glock 17?
@@Misericorde9 I would not let something like this play a factor into what I carry whatsoever. The chances of this being brought up and ACTUALLY HOLDING WEIGHT are slim to even slimmer
The only lie Paul tells us is when he calls himself an "average shooter". Because if he's average, I am so far off the bad end of that Bell curve it's not even funny.
Actually, lining up gun sights is the easiest thing to do. Getting off shots without yanking the trigger and muzzle around, well, that's another story.
This only matters where Paul lives on the west coast. Either your encounter a Aggressive Bigfoot attack or flaming Liberal mob with crt chants. More mags more lives you will save...
I have the 18" barrel Circuit Judge with shotgun stock and forearm. It's great for close-in home defense but not too accurate beyond 50 yards. And the wife can shoot it (major consideration).
Seriously, this is a question? I used to carry a subcompact with a 10 round magazine, but had 15 round magazines if I needed to reload. No difference in accuracy, but it was 50% more ammo after a reload. That's a more realistic scenario. The big advantage of the 10 round magazine was specifically that it was easier and more comfortable for concealed carry. If I needed to reload, well I wasn't worried about concealed carry anymore.
Yes, with my SIGs, there are the flush fit mags 12-18 rd depending on the gun, and then there are the plus 2 mags that extend maybe an inch or less. The flush fit mags are usually at least a bit better for concealed carry depending on the holster, its orientation and your clothing/etc., but the extended +2 mags usually don't really make a difference your mag holder, if any, and give you four extra rounds. For my SIGs I can't get a reliable double capacity mag, the only ones available are ProMag junk, so that isn't an option. For some pistols, like Glocks, you can often get a reliable mag with near double capacity, and those might be the Hail Mary last resort mag when all else fails (like one person mentioned, when you transition from a lower intensity self-defense situation where less than 6 shots are required to a full on firefight where you need as much ammo as you can possibly carry).
Definitely agree. The shield plus 9mm comes with a flush fit 10 and a slightly extended 13 with a bulge that would actually help you grip it while reloading. For private security, thats alot of firepower out of sight.
He spent years being a gun instructor for special forces school, or something related like that in the military. Hes my favorite teacher on youtube for guns
I do appreciate how he makes sure to use the right words the first time. I'd almost bet that such dedication to that is what causes at least some of his...... Shatner pauses.
Paul has stated that he has a speech difficulty. My guess is that having difficulty speaking forced him to more carefully consider his words before saying them. Sometimes weakness begets strength.
@@bradnail99 : Absolutely. I know of several fellow professors, who use pauses (strewn DELIBERATELY into their fluent and competent flow of speech) to get the audience's attention instantly.
@@joshuablair252, he didn’t train special operations troops. He was just a firearms instructor in the military. Now it could be that there were some in his classes but that wasn’t directly related to what he was doing.
I'm not sure this data suggests what you think it suggests. It's more likely that the second run was faster (both times) because he was repeating the drill, and the more you do something you generally get better at it. Also he didn't fire enough rounds to need a second reload which would have added time. The more interesting part would be accuracy. Doesn't matter how many rounds you sling if none are on target. Still at the end of the day, training is king.
@@N0stalgicLeaf That's a good comment for someone new to training. I don't think Paul is that "someone," though. I'd wager he's drilled/trained enough for the time differences to be relevant and meaningful in this video presentation. Otherwise, I agree that practice generally improves one's pace in a drill. That's one of the main points of doing drills, eh?
Honestly, if I am in a situation in the local 7-11 that requires the use of an extended mag, I think running out of ammo would be the least of my worries.
@@OTSOBerg-pn5gm unless you're firing from the hip or holding the gun sideways like a gangbanger yourself, it shouldn't matter whether someone else has more ammo or not. It's not a war of attrition.
They like to look tactic-cool but most gang bangers are not looking for a fair fight. The moment another pew-pew barks, they tend to run each other over getting to the door. @@OTSOBerg-pn5gm
@@MikhaelAhava oh yea it's very safe. I've Gone 35 years without so much of a first fight. Its mostly a casual Interest but Paul has such systematic and pragmatic thinking that his videos are interesting even if I didn't care about them at all.
I live in Denmark where it´s illegal to carry a knife over 7 cm, and carrying a gun here would give you prison time and a criminal record lol. Anyway, I did train martial arts since I was a kid though, which is quite useful especially jiu jitsu, which imo is the most practical.
My gun carries 15+1, and I carry another 15 rounds in a spare mag for exactly the same reasons. Not because I'll ever get in a long drawn out firefight, but in case my primary fouls up.
@@slayer8actualSame here. I carry a few different guns on different occasions and carry a slightly longer mag with each gun. This is primarily not for more ammo or mag failure. I am more concerned with an inadvertent mag release activation. Mostly happens when mag was not properly inserted. Rarely happens to me, but it DOES occasionally happen. I am covered for any of the three possible scenarios listed by my choice of mags.
I carry an extra mag, but I always think about what Hickok 45 said about the guy who said, "In a gunfight you’ll run out of time before you run out of ammo." I’ve never been in a gun fight, but that makes a lot of sense to me.
I have been shot !! Yes, it does make sense. If I am in a gunfight, holding a 17 round capacity gun, most likely I will not make it past 6 rounds before one of us becomes incapacitated, or the bad guy runs away to find an easier victim. I don’t want to offend anyone, however, too many people watch too much Hollywood movies, and try to mix fantasy with reality.
For concealing on my person... I chose a single stack. For a while went back and fourth on whether I should go single stack or not... until I found similar research... and some that even claim conflicts are often resolved with around 3 rounds. So I determined the lower profile was worth the limit in rounds. As far as extra mags... I chose slightly extended mags, adding 2 more rounds primarily because they also added an extended grip that goes from 2 finger to the more comfortable 3 finger grip, but I carry two mags for the cases of malfunction, which are the more likely reason for any magazine change, and if that is the case... more mags gives you more options... rather than one extra high capacity mag that could be a waste, if it malfunctions just a few rounds in.
@@Klaus293, I was talking about practical every day carry... not anticipating going through violent mobs. We have plenty of Rambos giving advice already.
@@cliveramsbotty6077, Do you get tired of wearing shoes? You get used to it. In fact, I feel naked without it, like not having my phone... it feels weird not having the weight there. And the cost of being defenseless is so severe it outweighs the minuscule chance... because if it happens to occur, you will regret not being prepared, by paying with your life... you don't recover from that mistake. So be as prepared as you can every time.
Yet again Mr. Harrell provides interesting, applicable, and informative content all-the-while doing so in a 100% respectful manner. I never have to worry about pressing “play” on one of his videos when my kids are in my office , yet I’d be okay with being marooned on an island with a thumb drive with nothing but Pullrack Harrell videos on it. No one shoots a pump shotgun like it!
We are going to win. Thank you Paul for adding at the end that you are/were glad to address topics like this without them necessarily being relevant in a practical application. I think most of the viewers forget that this content you provide is primarily academic in nature. I still occasionally rewatch the FBI Miami Dade shootout breakdown you did just to go back and soak up the wealth of knowledge that you lay out. The information and on screen presentation of testing and data breakdown is truly priceless. If you ever doubt your positive impact on the shooting community I hope that your viewers convince you otherwise. Thank you again. Always looking forward to the nuggets of information you enjoy publishing.
How many loyal watchers see the part in the intro where he blasts the watermelon at point blank 0:13 and say "You be the Judge" WITH Paul? - (I know I do!)
If you're in a citizen-involved shooting and the situation calls for more than 15 rounds, things have gone WAY pear-shaped and you should probably be looking for a way to retreat to safety.
@@8literbeater That's what the spare mag is for, but truth be told, in that situation, you probably weren't going to get out alive regardless. You're just taking as many with you as you can at that point.
@@rylian21 To my knowledge, I can't find ANY instance where a civilian exercising their right of self defense shot more times than a standard magazine carried. That is, I think it's a complete fiction that there would ever be situation where you'd shoot more than 12-15 times out of a pistol. Looking back 40+ years of news articles, there's not a single mention of anything that might even come close to needing that much firepower. The sole instances where someone used more than 15 shots were those of CRIMINALS or police engages in extended firefights or long pursuits. Neither of them fit within the parameters of what a self-defense situation entails. The apparent fact is that the "debate" over more rounds carried is as ludicrous as debating whether or not you should carry an AT4 just in case someone rushes you with a M60 tank.
The only time i think having an extended backup mag is really useful is for micro pistols where the normal grip length doesn't allow for four fingers. You might not want to carry it with the extended mag normally because it's more difficult to conceal but the extended (in reality normal sized) mag actually helps you shoot better because you get a full grip. Also, for some guns like an xds 45, going from 5 rounds to 7 might actually help since you start with so few.
That would make sense also make more sense if the hand is small grippy. But at that point, mind as well get Glock 19, or 4 inch barrel with 15 round magazine pistol. What ever works your need.
I have that situation with my p365. I carry with a 10 round mag in and with 12 round mags as back up. For my glocks i use standard mags for carry but i usually have a big stick in my range bag just to hold the ammo or in case someone else wishes to try it. If they have never fired a big stick they usually try a few shots then strip the ammo out and use the regular mags then.
Never put all your eggs in one basket. I prefer having a couple of standard magazines instead of one extended mag primarily because if the single extended magazine malfunctions then you're in a world of hurt. A redundancy plan is great plan.
especially as the presumption is you will only have a semi auto, and going for cover/not likely to do well standing in the open spamming your extendo....
That seems more like an issue of not testing your equipment. If you've made certain that your magazine, extended or not, works fine, what do you have to worry about?
Idk about ya'll but in my experience the longer a magazine gets the less reliable it gets. Heavier springs, more surface area for lint and crud to cling to. I bought one of the factory Glock extended magazine and it would fail to feed pretty often. I had other issues with 3rd party mags also.
This is almost certainly true. Sure some extended magazines are reliable, but a quality magazine with lower capacity will almost always be more reliable than a quality extended magazine. The question becomes at what capacity does the magazine become too unreliable to be worth the tradeoff.
There is a reason why PCCs in 9x19 with proprietary mags, have curved mags (and are double feed, but that's another issue). 9x19 has tapered case. As is the case with any tapered case, once you go above certain capacity, you have to curve the mag or you loose reliability. How much you can get away with depends on how much the case tapers.
@@lieutenantcoloneltanyavond8273 That is certainly true but I would like to point out that there are TONS of very reliable 9mm mags out there in 30-33 round capacities that are straight. Basically almost every 9mm sub gun. Of course those are usually double feed (the few that aren't tend to be the problematic ones) and that is really the bigger issue.
Agree. 7 or 8 rounds is most likely more then enough for civilians. Carry an extra mag in case of a mag malfunction. The extra ammo is a plus the average civilian will not need. Imagine a mass shooting in a mall where the good guy thinks he will spend so much time in a shoot out that requires him to shoot 30 rounds. Most likely the good guy will die before he can shoot 30 rounds at the bad guy. Personally, I carry a 5 shot snub nose revolver. I know if had a 17 round capacity, most likely I would be the one incapacitated if I needed more then 5 rounds to resolve the situation.
That was certainly my experience with factory Kimber stainless steel 10 round magazines in a .45 acp Kimber! I bought 5 of them (single purchase) & none were reliable.
@Wanye Smith Years ago I bought inexpensive 30 round Ramline mags for my Mini-14. Turns out they are also AR-15 compatible. Convenient. Agree, too bad you can't go the other way!
The optics of carrying or using an extended magazine, especially if a lot of bullets are fired, might work against a self-defense/ justifiable shooting claim. Perhaps as a spare car stored XL magazine, but as a carried or loaded/locked magazine it might appear towards premeditated or criminal intent to police and/or prosecutors.
@Wanye Smith Life ain't an action movie, and most people ain't gang-bangers doing drive-bys either . You crank off an avg 15-17 rnd mag much less a 25-30 round mag shooting at someone, no matter the situation/justifiable or not , you're probably going to be in deep do-do, and it only goes downhill from there, If someone gets hit , Criminal, or worse, a bystander. Firing too many bullets and/or wildly, is a callous disregard for human life -so to speak and can be made out legally as well. And it is going to look bad anyway even if you fired just one round, if you have say a 15-17 rnd mag and a 25-30 rnd mag on you, 40-47 rounds total. IMO- that looks worse in your defense than even having 3 15-17 rounds mags would look. If you think you need 45-51-75 rounds on you. I suggest you stay at home, or find a better place to live LOL Also, you need to think about that "judged by 12" issue if something happens, only about half the people in this country might be 2A and give you the benefit of the doubt sometimes, the other half might well throw you in jail automatically for having a 25-30 rnd mag during a shooting . They don't like such "mean things" , as I said "optics" , which most prosecutors would use to effect.
The biggest issue I've experienced with an extended magazine is that it reduces positioning options i.e. while going prone, or using a brace, or hanging up on obstructions. Another very good video!
The thing is, extended mags are good only for that 100 yards you need to make from your truck to shooting line. For weekend warriors and mall ninjas that is nice gimmick. But for actual soldiers in actual combat, thats totaly different thing. When you carry all that protective gear and rest of your s****t on you no one will bother with 40, 50 or 60rd mags sticking from your rifle. To the contrary I've seen more than a few guys going with 20rd mags in their rifles and spare 30rds on plate carriers.
@@tristanhodgden4286 what can I say. Everyone do some stupid things from time to time. It's not only about lenght of that things. It's about reliability and weight too. With plate carriers, helmets, spares and all that additional gear hardly anyone wants to make their rifle heavier and clunkier than it already is to lug around. And don't even start that those few more bullets won't make any difference. On a patrol in rocky terrain of Afghanistan, every ounce counts. Of course everything depends on the context. Routine patrols are one thing, but more risky tasks where you know it's gonna get s*****y that's another one.
Personally I would carry two extra mags, not the extended magazine. I might need a second mag, but probably not. The chance I need a third mag is really small. I carry two extra in case one mag breaks and I am down to one extra. Shit is likely to go wrong during combat and shit usually breaks when you need it most.
@G Soap Carry a gun that holds more, you won't have the chance to reload. Watch active self protection. There has only been one case out of many thousands of real world encounters that someone had the chance to reload and continue to fight. It was a home invasion. Most of these arguments come from people's imagination of how they think a gun fight will happen instead of the real world.
I tell people to carry an extra mag opposite the weapon for balance plus you should always have a spare. When they say, "one mag doesn't equal the weight of the weapon" I tell them to carry 2 and a flashlight. If that's not enough carry a Leatherman or the equivalent. They often say that's overkill. I reply, "maybe it is but are you willing to bet your life on it?"
While hitting the center of the 3rd target seems to have been the weak spot - if you call 'only' a 9 ring a weak spot - it seems that IF ANYTHING the lighter the package, the lower the score. Maybe.
I only use extended mags just for range fun. I find extended mags. Even OEM ones are more likely to cause a malfunction. Primarily the first few rounds and the last few in the mag. So if I did carry a extended mag. I would not load it to capacity.
@@burtbiggum499 for what? Every model if firearm is different, and any gun can be more or less picky. Also, due to physics, there is a greater chance of an issue. Longer mag means longer spring, longer mag means more ammunition weight it has to push, longer mags and more ammunitionmean a significantincrease in friction for the process. This leads to springs that have different characteristics, made more drastic by the the length they must work in, usually being tight with the first few rounds, and loose with the last ones. Extended mags can be made well and be reliable, but not as reliable as shorter ones.
This was a fantastic video, informative as always. I would be curious to see a video where Paul does the same testing for AR/AK platform mag couplers, like the magpul maglink, to see how much of an impact (if any) on time and effectiveness with multiple targets. I don't personally use couplers, due to the added weight to the rifle (I prefer to just keep spare mags in pouches), but I believe it would be an interesting topic related to this one.
I have to laugh at the folks that are making weight an issue. 999 out of 1000 of them are carrying an extra 20+ lbs on their gut and they think they're fooling anyone by arguing about 10 extra oz?
With this question Paul reminds me of Joe from mafia 2, when he gives you the 'extended' 1911s with 23 bullets. I don't know why, seeing this title reminded me of that. Extra ammo never hurt anyone, except the guy you're shooting at.
Mafia 2 was a great game. But I don’t recall extended magazines. It’s been a while since I played though. I used to spend the first few hours of the game crushing cars to get quick cash. 😂
@@dr.floridamanphd *Spoilers for those who care* Chapter... 10, the same mission that marty dies, when you get to the top of the sky scrapper joe gives you one. They're officially called the 'special 1911'. You get them from Geseppi (ammo) after Joe gives you one.
Those are based on real guns--Dillingers gang was caught with a 1911 that had been converted to full auto using an extended mag made from 2 standard mags welded together, and fitted with a foregrip from a Thompson SMG. I thought it was an awesome historical nod.
An interesting variation on this test would be to go from an 11-round flush baseplate mag to a 15-round mag on the Springfield Hellcat. That's the difference between a two-finger grip and a full-on three-finger grip. Perhaps next time I'm at the range I'll set up the same test Paul did and give it a go.
My CCW is a XD-S as well, which I use a 9 round magazine, with 2 back up. When I go to the range, I use my 7 and 8 round magazines. I do notice the difference when changing between the 2 sizes, especially since the 7 rd sits flush to the base plate. But I don't see too much difference with my accuracy, although that might be because I can get 2 1/2 fingers on that 7rd magazine. Interesting point though.
I carry a 365 with the 12 rnd. in & as a spare. The 12 gives me the grip I like but I would carry the 15 as a backup if I had one & proved it reliable. I've read some are not.
I carried two 20 round Glock 17 magazines on my Sam Brown belt with one in the weapon. 60 rounds is heavy! It caused some nerve problems with my back after 32 years of police service. I only heard of one extended fire fight while active and that involved the use of every round in the weapon and a couple more from a reload. That was as a cop in a major west coast city. I carry a small revolver now with five rounds, sometimes an autoloader with 10 rounds. I feel comfortable with both. If we ever do devolve into civil war I will rethink the combat loadout I carry. Until that time, I fail to see why a private person, minding their own business, needs to carry so much ammo. The vast majority of firearms use involves two to three shots. A private person may also get in to legal trouble firing so many shots. Just my opinion.
I would be more concerned about surviving the scenario then legal trouble after the fact. As long as it is justified and you were protecting your life it shouldn't matter how many rounds were fired, shoot until the threat is stopped. In the off chance you find yourself in a legal battle with an anti constitutional judge, district attorney etc, I would still rather be in that situation compared to being buried.
@@AustinRBa Id take 10 years with Bubba over leaving my family paying my funeral costs and my kid without a father. I'll also revert back to my original statement, If you're justified in using deadly force the amount of rounds fired shouldn't be relevant unless you keep firing after the threat has stopped.
I think there is another point that should have brought up and that is the judge and jury factor. A lot more scrutiny is going to fall on you when you say "I was only trying to defend myself" if you are walking around with a 17+ round magazine in your pocket.
If the DA wants to make an issue about it, have an answer ahead of time. Example: having a 20rd magazine from a full size pistol that works in your carry compact. The 20rd is bigger but you can either say, "that's what the shop had" or "do you have a spare tire in your car? Same reason I have a spare magazine. They can break, and usually will at the worst possible time." Present yourself as calm and reasonable, not to mention worried about where any missed shots might go.
I've got factory extended mags for my Glock 19 and 23. 17 and 33 rounders for the 19. 17 and 22 rounders for the 23. I carry both with their factory flush mags. But use the extended ones for reloads.
I’d love to see how Paul does with a red dot on a pistol in comparison to when he shoots with iron sights. I ask this because many people are adopting red dots on their pistols, me included.
They work for some. I tried it and sold them. I guess I am too died in the wool and practiced with what I know. However, use whatever you feel and do the best with, be it optics, gun choice, caliber, etc. Whatever makes you best IS best.
@@sisleymichael I started off with irons and moved to a red dot a few years ago in USPSA. Shooting with a red dot has been fantastic for me because I’m able to target focus, have a faster makeup shot, and make shots at further distances.
Thanks to Paul's awesome drills and times I now know, my RIA 1911 and 1 standard 17round mag, is all I need. Makes perfect sense. Excellent job as always of showing a real popular question and its answer. Now if I could just shoot targets like Paul :)
IMHO, the negative impact of trying to holster a carry pistol with a large capacity extended magazine is enough to dissuade me from doing that. But I've got no issue with carrying a spare (even a little bit extended) mag in my back pocket--just in case. And my EDC might have a slightly 'extended' (+2) capacity as well.
Good point I didn't even take into account. As we saw play out tragically recently, when cops roll up to a scene they have no idea who the good guy is. Getting that pistol stowed away safely after an incident is of great importance and can save a life
Yeah, for me, the extended (or full size, if you have something like an SR-9C that takes a short mag, or a full size) makes good sense as your spare magazine.
@Wanye Smith That's unreasonable. If you actually look at real world shootings, there isn't as much a difference between 9mm and 45 to make a difference. I cannot see a logical reason to carry anything but 9mm unless laws effect your choice, or if you only have a gun in a different caliber.
I always have my carry pistol with a standard extra magazine. If my carry rig allows me to fight my way to my truck, which is where id be headed , Ive got a pretty big force multiplier. I hope I never need 31 rounds and my truck in the same incident....Thats a bad day.
Usual wisdom is, with a compact gun, you'll carry the gun with the flush-fitting short magazine and then carry as a spare either the magazine from the full-size version, one with an extended floorplate, or both. 30 round extended mags aren't practical, but a 16 shot spare with a +2 extended floorplate is still an upgrade over a compact magazine with 14 shots.
"Was there enough of a difference to make a difference?". I would buy a T-Shirt with that on it. As far as the high cap goes I would prefer to carry two mags. Not for round count but because of potential magazine failure which to me is more likely than needing a 30 round mag. Just my opinion.
I think the extra cap backup mags comes from the sub gun guys like me whose carry gun holds 12 but but I can get standard 17 round mags that fit in it. So depending on the situation I carry either 17 round backups or 12 for minimalist carry.
I carried a glock 19 and glock 26 as duty pistols in the early 2000's. I carried the single glock 26 mag and if i needed to reload then i would have used my glock 19 mags. The 26 was mostly my off duty weapon and often was locked in my car unless we were doing warrant sweeps or i had a walking patrol and was checking locks on businesses.
I agree and I often carry a compact double stacked 9mm with a 10 round magazine with my pinkie dangling underneath. Better concealment with the flush mag. My second mag holds 14 rounds and I get a full grip. In that case my accuracy might improve with the extended mag. Still the 38 Super demonstration has me wondering whether the difference matters much. Seems like it can’t really hurt. Great demonstration of the principles in question. As usual Paul has given me something more to think about.
@@sqwk2559 You may be misinterpreting the comment’s intent. Extended speed loaders or extended moon clips simply aren’t a thing with revolvers. You just carry more of them if you want multiple reloads. I’m not even aware of any extended speed strips, though they might well exist.
@@sqwk2559 because of your senseless comment, I’d wager that you’ve never seen a revolver. The presentation is on extended magazines. Therefore, the presentation is geared towards people who carry autoloaders. Think before you speak.
@@sqwk2559 Show me where to find huge extended magazines for a j-frame revolver and I'll buy one. You'll have to explain the physics to me first, though. Until you're able to explain it to me, I guess I'll continue carrying a speedloader or strip loaded with ammo that matches the number of holes in the cylinder. Such is the way of us simple people, and the limitations we live with for being born with smaller brains than yours.
After last year's riot season, in fall thru spring I carried a Glock 19 in a shoulder holster with a standard mag, 2 Glock 17 mag reloads and a 33 extended mag in a coat pocket. Hard to pull off in summer tho... Always better to have a little too much ammo than not enough 😂
@Wanye Smith that’s wayyyyyy to flashy for me. I’m not knocking you do what you wish but AZ DPS officers are only required to carry 2 reloads so you must be preparing for some shit if you need twice that load out
Having been threatened by a member of organized crime, and knowing their MO, I want to have firearms that are capable of putting a lot of shots accurately on multiple attackers as quickly as possible. That indicates a need for high capacity magazines. Of course that is not your typical self defense threat from an armed robber or crazed lunatic.
I always carry at least one spare mag. That said, I stick to factory mags and while I carry a G19, I may carry a G17 backup mag, both at normal capacity without aftermarket mag extenders.
As usual yet another great informative vid from Mr Harrell. it makes me realise what the real shooting enthusiast in the UK have lost. I can remember a time when i could pop down to my local club and spend a couple of hours in the company of fellow club members shooting 10meter turning targets with my .38 smith 686 with home loads . Just a couple of hours of harmless fun I guess you don't know just what you have lost if you never had it in the first place. Something to think about my American cousins
Excellent video. I think it also depends on the type of extended magazine. While a 30+rd mag is unwieldy to carry concealed, there are Beretta 92 magazines that hold 18-20rds yet only extend 1-2" below the grip frame. There are also 1911 mags that hold 9-10rds of .45ACP that also extend 1-2" below the grip frame. These mags make more sense to carry, especially if you routinely carry a round in the chamber (+1) and a full mag in the pistol. As for accuracy shifting.....that only becomes an issue if you're getting into high-precision shots....not something you'll see much in combat shooting scenarios. Thanks for all you do!
I would hope your lawyer would have that argument squared away and ready to go just in case that's brought up in court. I dont think it would be an issue unless most of your shots were necessary. I think it would be a problem if the bad guys on the ground, and clearly not a threat any more and you just mag dump his swiss cheesed body
@@joshuakang4507 legal precedent to support the idea that a politically motivated prosecution will seize on the tiniest of minutiae in order to demonize and convict someone who had to use their gun in self defense? I mean I could dig out my MAG 40 notebook and give you chapter and verse of the times that number of rounds carried, type of rounds carried, and/or model of firearm became an issue at trial There are members of our society who already hate guns and the people who carry them. They have been steeped in the idea that anyone with a gun is a mass murderer waiting to happen and that “high capacity magazines” are every psycho lunatic’s go to tool.
@@draugur345 sure. Find a case where you could positively say the type of weapon or it’s accessories had a significant role in a conviction, where there possibly wouldn’t have been one if they used a different weapon/accessory. No shit the prosecution is gonna pull everything out it’s ass, that’s their job.
I will occasionally carry an extra magazine, but I usually carry an additional backup pistol instead. I have found this to be just as simple and comfortable as carrying an extra mag. I also think this is a better choice in case something goes wrong with your primary weapon because if your primary fails you, an extra magazine is useless.
I've been CCW in harm's way for 33 years. 90% of that time was with a 1911 with one 8 round magazine in the pistol and another in reserve. Never once have I felt I needed more rounds. Carried a P7M13 for a few years as well. Again, one mag in the tool and another *just in case*. I always thought "Who the hell is going to need, let alone shoot, 27 rounds?!" I frequently carry a Kahr K9 or T9 now. Again, one single stack mag with another in reserve. Never felt the need for anything extended or belt-fed. "Skills before equipment" one teacher preached to me.
Agreed, my original piece was an 7+1 and I did not feel inadequately equipped. If someone truly feels they need all that, they might consider the scenarios they get into and the level of their training.
Always appreciate your straight foward no nonsense presentations. I OC 9mm taurus clone of berretta 92 with 20 rd mag and usually one but sometimes two 20rd spares depending. Although this gun has operated flawlessly for many rds I expect malfunctions to occur at the worst times. Spare mags needed for murphy moments.
For me, the only time I carry an "extended" magazine is my glock 26. standard 10 round mag in it, then a 17 round mag spare... Because I already have it. and it isn't much bigger.
Yeah, I like having the different mag options on my G26. Though I often carry with the 17 rd and 10-12rd as the spare. If reloads never happen in civilian incidents, I'd rather have 17 rds, but not possible to conceal the 17 rd mag with certain attire.
Well this is a rather one off and rare kind of event but I bet people with bad ammo or spiked ammo (explosive inside the bullet) which caused their gun to explode would have prefer not to have the extra bullets.
My 2 cents would add that in a cww situation it doesn’t make enough of a difference and isn’t worth the cumbersome nature of a long extended mag. But, in home defense situations or with the mentioned suitcase back ups, it does make sense in my opinion. Sometimes being able to lay down cover fire is helpful and sometimes one round can make THE difference. If the zombie hoards get to you, you may need that last round lol.
If you know how to shoot a revolver is the best solution especially 357 magnum I was talking to a police officer once, 357 automatically evokes respect (as when you see a Rolls Royce or a Ferrari) on the other side Just one bullet is enough and everyone knows who the "boss" is in a fight, and they often surrender to him just for that for zombies => an ax with a long handle 😁
The odds of needing a concealed carry weapon are low, odds of needing a second mag is even lower, odds of needing an extended mag are astronomical. Chance of me having a couple fun sticks near me at all times, very high.
@@rustybird8803 Sounds like you got one of those few bad places in town. I dont know where you live, but I travelled WA and would never go anywhere without a conceal. But yeah, chances are most people wont ever have that sort of action for most if not all of their lives
Yes it wàs nuts ... hotel didnt run the ac till some onè paid to be there . A fuckin oven with a shitty ac... it was coolèr outside with a breeze an a hundrèd degrèes.. plus humid ty im on the rail they deàlin thèìr balls off . Ďont like me out there and start threatenen me fuckin nùts one came up in my face half a second from shootin his ass
Thank you. I had to search down over 100 comments to find this point. A liberal judge would instantly think the citizen was 'spoiling for a fight' if he saw that extended magazine.
Hey Paul, I was curious if you could do a presentation on testing for home defense. A full sized pistol, vs shotgun, vs briefcase gun or pdw style weapon and rifles Advantages, disadvantages, quirks, etc. I'll admit it might be an expensive and long presentation but I'd love it. A complete guide to home defense options!
One of the most common points of malfunction on a gun is the magazine. Carrying a spare is a great idea, and in my opinion, carrying your gun means carrying an extra magazine, all the time. That being said, I would have liked to see Paul test the extended magazine in a more realistic setting for a self defense shooting regarding magazine changes. If your firefight has gone sideways enough to need a reload, you'll probably be behind cover and/or in an irregular position, as opposed to standing squarely on the target at seven or ten yards, wherever he was I don't recall. I think that the combination of high stress, irregular position, and shooting from behind cover could very well change the results. Part two maybe? Great video, as always. Favorite internet gun guy right here. 👍
@Paul Harrell Man with all of your knowledge on firearms, you'd make an excellent action movie with proper representation of firearms and how they work. I absolutely love this channel. thank you for the best information on the platform.
@@cloneorder6641 how do you conceal a magazine in your back pocket? BTW I also edc the 43x with shield mags and I do have one of the +5 extensions but it is usually for range use only.
@@cloneorder6641 I get you use the neomag but don't see how it conceals. It would stick out and be obvious. My back pockets are never covered by clothing unless I am wearing a big winter coat. The back pockets on my pants are barely deep enough to even hold the mag. People would easily see the mag.
Do you notice he almost always does one take per segment? Most do so much cut-splice that it is distracting. You can tell he puts a lot of thought into the narrative-no rambling. Thank you for another great video Mr. Harrell
Thanks for noticing.
I feel like Paul's presentations are some of the best firearms related content one can find on TH-cam. I really appreciate how thorough he is in explaining his reasoning and also the great amount of time and effort he puts into producing truly informative videos.
I gave up my patreon support of an other channel in order to send the money to Paul. He beats the shit out of every other channel with his hands tied behind his back.
@@corneliussulla9963 even as a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest, Paul would still win.
@@dr.floridamanphd right there isn't even a second place.
Paul's channel is awesome . . . it is known. His super-in-depth, methodical approach is definitely unique, as is his personality. This is the only gun channel that I have been tempted to just LISTEN TO, without watching, just to hear him talk.
Intro suffers from absence of car chase, explosions and supermodels.
I generally carry a G19 with a standard capacity magazine in the weapon. I usually carry a G17 magazine on my person as a backup. However, in both of my vehicles I have 33 round magazines in the console. Two things I learned in Vietnam. 1 you can’t carry too much water. 2 you can’t carry too much ammo. C/2/16 1st Inf Div ‘69. Great video as usual. Always look forward to the next one.
That's one question I had. An extended magazine is harder to conceal, quite a bit heavier and harder to draw. So it would make more sense to carry the standard capacity as a back-up. But stashing them in your vehicles is very smart.
Im currently in 1ID. Best division in the Army brother. Thank you for serving in Vietnam. That was a very tough time for our country and there are folks who appreciate what you did for us.
11B here - I did time in A/1/8 4th ID, and B/2/3 2nd ID - deployed 4 times to Iraq and Afghanistan. I ALWAYS carried extra water and ammo - why? Because I listened to someone like you (a Vietnam vet) and it saved my ass more than once.
Thank you for your service!
Welcome home.
While I went into the service right after Vietnam (1977) the people who trained me in those trades were veterans of that war of multiple combat tours between them, and to a man, they all pounded that rational into my head above all other logistics....
Also my friend who served in 3rd army under Patton's leadership told me the same thing was tought to him 2 wars prior.....
I never really had opportunities to talk tactics with anyone who served in WW1 on that personal of a level.....😉
I carry a PT111G2 for personal protection and found that an 18 shot standard mag of the P226 works quite well as a mag that brings the capability of this subcompact up to that of a full sized pistol if needed.....
And as I've lived the "Better to have it and not need it, over Need it and not have it" club....
Since it doesn't pose a problem, I like it.....
The court would probably frown on the 32 rd mag, they'd say something to the effect like you were looking for a fight
Agreed. Folks often say "research your local firearms laws."
But, they should _also_ say "research your local District Attorney and his/her attitude towards firearms."
This is my OPINION. Barring malfunctions, if you have to reload to continue firing in a self defense situation, you have transitioned from a self-defense situation into an actual firefight situation. Two entirely different things and requiring two entirely different courses of action and mindsets. If there is even a possibility of a situation turning into a firefight as a - *single individual civilian* - you need to do everything you can to immediately disengage, escape and evade. Prolonging the encounter will not only increase the odds of death or injury but, again, IMO, possibly lead to severe legal complications for you after the fact. At the end of the day, ALL you are trying to do is save your life.
I love your response. If someone needs a 32rd 9mm mag, it means they're using the wrong weapon in the first place. My idea is using a snubnose hammerless, plus a combat 9mm (or full size revolver + compact 9mm), with the idea of NOT carrying extra mags. If ~20 rounds isn't enough I'd be more concerned with finding cover, escaping, and/or calling the cops than an extra mag. As for why I like wheel-guns, I in a true emergency, I simply can't believe that any other handgun gets the FIRST round on target faster than a revolver.
Thank you! I like Paul’s presentations, but this debate itself is ridiculous. If you are an armored car driver or a jeweler, or in executive protection, these might apply, but then you’d have different rules anyway regarding what you carry.
Adding to that, when you have your day in court, do not be surprised when the other side has field day over you carrying a Magnum XL Coffin Assault magazine on your person. And assume that those will be “whens”, not “ifs”.
@@xxxYYZxxx if you truly believe a revolver is the fastest way to get a shot on target idk what to say. How is a revolver any faster than say a Glock 17?
@@Misericorde9 I would not let something like this play a factor into what I carry whatsoever. The chances of this being brought up and ACTUALLY HOLDING WEIGHT are slim to even slimmer
Let's be real, Paul's a beast with iron sights.
The only lie Paul tells us is when he calls himself an "average shooter".
Because if he's average, I am so far off the bad end of that Bell curve it's not even funny.
@@ScottKenny1978 because I guess he’s not the type to really show off, or make his ego bigger because he likes to keep his ego in check
Can i get 2xtra mags for my stoger twice barrell shoot gun???
Actually, lining up gun sights is the easiest thing to do. Getting off shots without yanking the trigger and muzzle around, well, that's another story.
I was thinking that same thing. He's unreal!
5:32
I appreciate that the target took a step back so it wouldn't get in the way of the test results!
I was trained the main reason to carry an extra mag wasn't for ammo, but in case of magazine malfunction. Spare ammo is just a plus.
To paraphrase James Yeager. You don't carry an extra magazine for extra bullets. You carry an extra magazine to fix your gun.
Yup. I'd rather carry two quality magazines than one extended.
Exactly
This only matters where Paul lives on the west coast. Either your encounter a Aggressive Bigfoot attack or flaming Liberal mob with crt chants. More mags more lives you will save...
Truth be told nearly all of his testing doesnt apply to normal people….🤪🤓
"You be the judge. Just not the Taurus Judge."
And a malfunction. No. There wasn’t an issue with the ammo. It malfunctioned because it’s a Taurus Judge. 😂
Or that S & W copycat gun (why they made it only S & W knows).
I have the 18" barrel Circuit Judge with shotgun stock and forearm. It's great for close-in home defense but not too accurate beyond 50 yards. And the wife can shoot it (major consideration).
He didn't even say that
@@slick3129 That's a first for my eyes; had to look that up.
Seriously, this is a question? I used to carry a subcompact with a 10 round magazine, but had 15 round magazines if I needed to reload. No difference in accuracy, but it was 50% more ammo after a reload. That's a more realistic scenario. The big advantage of the 10 round magazine was specifically that it was easier and more comfortable for concealed carry. If I needed to reload, well I wasn't worried about concealed carry anymore.
Yes, with my SIGs, there are the flush fit mags 12-18 rd depending on the gun, and then there are the plus 2 mags that extend maybe an inch or less. The flush fit mags are usually at least a bit better for concealed carry depending on the holster, its orientation and your clothing/etc., but the extended +2 mags usually don't really make a difference your mag holder, if any, and give you four extra rounds. For my SIGs I can't get a reliable double capacity mag, the only ones available are ProMag junk, so that isn't an option.
For some pistols, like Glocks, you can often get a reliable mag with near double capacity, and those might be the Hail Mary last resort mag when all else fails (like one person mentioned, when you transition from a lower intensity self-defense situation where less than 6 shots are required to a full on firefight where you need as much ammo as you can possibly carry).
Definitely agree. The shield plus 9mm comes with a flush fit 10 and a slightly extended 13 with a bulge that would actually help you grip it while reloading. For private security, thats alot of firepower out of sight.
Today's lesson had more Shatner-esque pauses than normal! But it had zero impact on the quality of the content. Great job, Paul.
The Shatner-esque pauses are the best
On the contrary, the Shatner-esque pauses make it…
even better.
It wasn't enough of a difference to make a difference.
I was thinking Jack Benny-esque and I enjoyed every one.
Paul is too worried about what stupid people will comment.
Is it me or is he one of the most articulate people you've ever seen, hardly any grammatical mistakes.
He spent years being a gun instructor for special forces school, or something related like that in the military. Hes my favorite teacher on youtube for guns
I do appreciate how he makes sure to use the right words the first time. I'd almost bet that such dedication to that is what causes at least some of his...... Shatner pauses.
Paul has stated that he has a speech difficulty. My guess is that having difficulty speaking forced him to more carefully consider his words before saying them. Sometimes weakness begets strength.
@@bradnail99 : Absolutely. I know of several fellow professors, who use pauses (strewn DELIBERATELY into their fluent and competent flow of speech) to get the audience's attention instantly.
@@joshuablair252, he didn’t train special operations troops. He was just a firearms instructor in the military.
Now it could be that there were some in his classes but that wasn’t directly related to what he was doing.
Really appreciate you showing the actual times in the drills. Helped me see the difference.
I'm not sure this data suggests what you think it suggests. It's more likely that the second run was faster (both times) because he was repeating the drill, and the more you do something you generally get better at it. Also he didn't fire enough rounds to need a second reload which would have added time. The more interesting part would be accuracy. Doesn't matter how many rounds you sling if none are on target. Still at the end of the day, training is king.
I guess I missed the shot timer.
He kicks ass like that
Hi Paul! Thanks for doing this demonstration, even though it had very little relevance.
@@N0stalgicLeaf That's a good comment for someone new to training. I don't think Paul is that "someone," though. I'd wager he's drilled/trained enough for the time differences to be relevant and meaningful in this video presentation.
Otherwise, I agree that practice generally improves one's pace in a drill. That's one of the main points of doing drills, eh?
Honestly, if I am in a situation in the local 7-11 that requires the use of an extended mag, I think running out of ammo would be the least of my worries.
Nah that would be a pretty big worry
Most gang bangers I've met love extended magazines so it isn't unlikely if you live in America that you could run into needing a lot of ammo.
@@OTSOBerg-pn5gm unless you're firing from the hip or holding the gun sideways like a gangbanger yourself, it shouldn't matter whether someone else has more ammo or not. It's not a war of attrition.
@@OTSOBerg-pn5gm You've met a lot of gangbangers, eh?
They like to look tactic-cool but most gang bangers are not looking for a fair fight. The moment another pew-pew barks, they tend to run each other over getting to the door. @@OTSOBerg-pn5gm
im from australia, where we basically cant have guns and these videos are still surprisingly valuable just from your clarity of thinking paul.
Australia is a pretty safe place, you won’t need guns that much, low crime, no gangs/drug cartels. Though it’s good to know about guns.
@@MikhaelAhava oh yea it's very safe. I've Gone 35 years without so much of a first fight.
Its mostly a casual Interest but Paul has such systematic and pragmatic thinking that his videos are interesting even if I didn't care about them at all.
@@MikhaelAhava Aside from the fact that everything in Australia wants to kill you. :D
I live in Denmark where it´s illegal to carry a knife over 7 cm, and carrying a gun here would give you prison time and a criminal record lol. Anyway, I did train martial arts since I was a kid though, which is quite useful especially jiu jitsu, which imo is the most practical.
@@MikhaelAhava Safe countries still sadly have perverts that will attempt to M0lest people.
I carry a spare. More for if my magazine fails, then anything else. Thanks for the share!!
Me too. My pistol holds 18, but just in case I have a mag failure, I want that second mag
Same here. My 365 has the 12 rnd mag, and carry a spare 15 rnd mag.
My gun carries 15+1, and I carry another 15 rounds in a spare mag for exactly the same reasons. Not because I'll ever get in a long drawn out firefight, but in case my primary fouls up.
@@slayer8actualSame here. I carry a few different guns on different occasions and carry a slightly longer mag with each gun. This is primarily not for more ammo or mag failure. I am more concerned with an inadvertent mag release activation. Mostly happens when mag was not properly inserted. Rarely happens to me, but it DOES occasionally happen. I am covered for any of the three possible scenarios listed by my choice of mags.
I carry an extra mag, but I always think about what Hickok 45 said about the guy who said, "In a gunfight you’ll run out of time before you run out of ammo." I’ve never been in a gun fight, but that makes a lot of sense to me.
Has Hickok 45 ever been in a gun fight?
@@theweekendhistorian probably not, nor has 99.99% of the guys giving advice
I have been shot !! Yes, it does make sense. If I am in a gunfight, holding a 17 round capacity gun, most likely I will not make it past 6 rounds before one of us becomes incapacitated, or the bad guy runs away to find an easier victim. I don’t want to offend anyone, however, too many people watch too much Hollywood movies, and try to mix fantasy with reality.
@@theweekendhistorian I would say he has since he was a police officer for many years as I recall.
@@jasperthehairycaterpillar1168 just because you're a cop doesn't mean you've been in a gun fight
Seeing your notifications genuinely makes my day. Thank for the amazing content as always my man!
Nice pfp
@@NathanDudani thank you bud, been my ol reliable pfp since like 2014, never done me any wrong I tell ya what
For concealing on my person... I chose a single stack. For a while went back and fourth on whether I should go single stack or not... until I found similar research... and some that even claim conflicts are often resolved with around 3 rounds. So I determined the lower profile was worth the limit in rounds. As far as extra mags... I chose slightly extended mags, adding 2 more rounds primarily because they also added an extended grip that goes from 2 finger to the more comfortable 3 finger grip, but I carry two mags for the cases of malfunction, which are the more likely reason for any magazine change, and if that is the case... more mags gives you more options... rather than one extra high capacity mag that could be a waste, if it malfunctions just a few rounds in.
Solid thinking. 👍
If the average conflict is resolved with 3 rounds, you best believe I'm shooting six.
I do the same thing
@@Klaus293,
I was talking about practical every day carry... not anticipating going through violent mobs. We have plenty of Rambos giving advice already.
@@cliveramsbotty6077,
Do you get tired of wearing shoes? You get used to it. In fact, I feel naked without it, like not having my phone... it feels weird not having the weight there. And the cost of being defenseless is so severe it outweighs the minuscule chance... because if it happens to occur, you will regret not being prepared, by paying with your life... you don't recover from that mistake. So be as prepared as you can every time.
4:03 "I have the shot holes covered with red pasties so they're easy to see."
Colorblind guy: What holes?
So bottom line....do what feels right for you. That which matches your comfort, skill level and situation.
Exactly!
So true!
Yet again Mr. Harrell provides interesting, applicable, and informative content all-the-while doing so in a 100% respectful manner. I never have to worry about pressing “play” on one of his videos when my kids are in my office , yet I’d be okay with being marooned on an island with a thumb drive with nothing but Pullrack Harrell videos on it. No one shoots a pump shotgun like it!
Agreed. While I am an adult and can use and handle foul language, I prefer not to and I prefer to not hear it so I use it less.
We are going to win. Thank you Paul for adding at the end that you are/were glad to address topics like this without them necessarily being relevant in a practical application. I think most of the viewers forget that this content you provide is primarily academic in nature. I still occasionally rewatch the FBI Miami Dade shootout breakdown you did just to go back and soak up the wealth of knowledge that you lay out. The information and on screen presentation of testing and data breakdown is truly priceless. If you ever doubt your positive impact on the shooting community I hope that your viewers convince you otherwise. Thank you again. Always looking forward to the nuggets of information you enjoy publishing.
How many loyal watchers see the part in the intro where he blasts the watermelon at point blank 0:13 and say "You be the Judge" WITH Paul? - (I know I do!)
If you're in a citizen-involved shooting and the situation calls for more than 15 rounds, things have gone WAY pear-shaped and you should probably be looking for a way to retreat to safety.
If you can retreat to safety, and you can see it, you should retreat before your first shot is fired.
And what if you can't?
@@8literbeater That's what the spare mag is for, but truth be told, in that situation, you probably weren't going to get out alive regardless. You're just taking as many with you as you can at that point.
@@rylian21 Wow. You've got it all figured out.
@@rylian21 To my knowledge, I can't find ANY instance where a civilian exercising their right of self defense shot more times than a standard magazine carried.
That is, I think it's a complete fiction that there would ever be situation where you'd shoot more than 12-15 times out of a pistol. Looking back 40+ years of news articles, there's not a single mention of anything that might even come close to needing that much firepower. The sole instances where someone used more than 15 shots were those of CRIMINALS or police engages in extended firefights or long pursuits. Neither of them fit within the parameters of what a self-defense situation entails.
The apparent fact is that the "debate" over more rounds carried is as ludicrous as debating whether or not you should carry an AT4 just in case someone rushes you with a M60 tank.
The only time i think having an extended backup mag is really useful is for micro pistols where the normal grip length doesn't allow for four fingers. You might not want to carry it with the extended mag normally because it's more difficult to conceal but the extended (in reality normal sized) mag actually helps you shoot better because you get a full grip. Also, for some guns like an xds 45, going from 5 rounds to 7 might actually help since you start with so few.
That would make sense also make more sense if the hand is small grippy. But at that point, mind as well get Glock 19, or 4 inch barrel with 15 round magazine pistol. What ever works your need.
If the grip is too small to shoot effectively and efficiently with the first magazine, then it's not a good carry choice.
I have that situation with my p365. I carry with a 10 round mag in and with 12 round mags as back up.
For my glocks i use standard mags for carry but i usually have a big stick in my range bag just to hold the ammo or in case someone else wishes to try it. If they have never fired a big stick they usually try a few shots then strip the ammo out and use the regular mags then.
The issue I have with those get extensions, they can easily pinch the extra hand that falls below the firearms grip
@@vitogriffin6575 It's all about compromise. If we focused only on effectiveness with no other considerations, we'd all be open carrying ar's.
Never put all your eggs in one basket. I prefer having a couple of standard magazines instead of one extended mag primarily because if the single extended magazine malfunctions then you're in a world of hurt. A redundancy plan is great plan.
especially as the presumption is you will only have a semi auto, and going for cover/not likely to do well standing in the open spamming your extendo....
Carry a 50-100 round drum or go home
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That seems more like an issue of not testing your equipment. If you've made certain that your magazine, extended or not, works fine, what do you have to worry about?
That's true, but what stops you from simply carrying multiple extended, as many as you would have with standard capacity?
@@abbytran8514 Weight and bulk?
Idk about ya'll but in my experience the longer a magazine gets the less reliable it gets. Heavier springs, more surface area for lint and crud to cling to. I bought one of the factory Glock extended magazine and it would fail to feed pretty often. I had other issues with 3rd party mags also.
This is almost certainly true. Sure some extended magazines are reliable, but a quality magazine with lower capacity will almost always be more reliable than a quality extended magazine. The question becomes at what capacity does the magazine become too unreliable to be worth the tradeoff.
There is a reason why PCCs in 9x19 with proprietary mags, have curved mags (and are double feed, but that's another issue). 9x19 has tapered case. As is the case with any tapered case, once you go above certain capacity, you have to curve the mag or you loose reliability. How much you can get away with depends on how much the case tapers.
@@lieutenantcoloneltanyavond8273 That is certainly true but I would like to point out that there are TONS of very reliable 9mm mags out there in 30-33 round capacities that are straight. Basically almost every 9mm sub gun. Of course those are usually double feed (the few that aren't tend to be the problematic ones) and that is really the bigger issue.
Agree. 7 or 8 rounds is most likely more then enough for civilians. Carry an extra mag in case of a mag malfunction. The extra ammo is a plus the average civilian will not need. Imagine a mass shooting in a mall where the good guy thinks he will spend so much time in a shoot out that requires him to shoot 30 rounds. Most likely the good guy will die before he can shoot 30 rounds at the bad guy. Personally, I carry a 5 shot snub nose revolver. I know if had a 17 round capacity, most likely I would be the one incapacitated if I needed more then 5 rounds to resolve the situation.
That was certainly my experience with factory Kimber stainless steel 10 round magazines in a .45 acp Kimber!
I bought 5 of them (single purchase) & none were reliable.
Paul, don't focus on what people say! You are you! That's honestly the reason I subscribed! Stay you brother!
I enjoy the videos you make, I find them interesting and a pleasure to watch,...thanks for making them..
Today i ordered some extended magz for my mini-14 and m&p9, i can't believe the coincidence. Thanks Paul!
mini 14 is a great gun.
Crys in NY
Mini14 luvit everything about it
You actually found M&p mags.?
@Wanye Smith Years ago I bought inexpensive 30 round Ramline mags for my Mini-14. Turns out they are also AR-15 compatible. Convenient. Agree, too bad you can't go the other way!
The optics of carrying or using an extended magazine, especially if a lot of bullets are fired, might work against a self-defense/ justifiable shooting claim. Perhaps as a spare car stored XL magazine, but as a carried or loaded/locked magazine it might appear towards premeditated or criminal intent to police and/or prosecutors.
Good point
@Wanye Smith Life ain't an action movie, and most people ain't gang-bangers doing drive-bys either . You crank off an avg 15-17 rnd mag much less a 25-30 round mag shooting at someone, no matter the situation/justifiable or not , you're probably going to be in deep do-do, and it only goes downhill from there, If someone gets hit , Criminal, or worse, a bystander. Firing too many bullets and/or wildly, is a callous disregard for human life -so to speak and can be made out legally as well.
And it is going to look bad anyway even if you fired just one round, if you have say a 15-17 rnd mag and a 25-30 rnd mag on you, 40-47 rounds total. IMO- that looks worse in your defense than even having 3 15-17 rounds mags would look.
If you think you need 45-51-75 rounds on you. I suggest you stay at home, or find a better place to live LOL
Also, you need to think about that "judged by 12" issue if something happens, only about half the people in this country might be 2A and give you the benefit of the doubt sometimes, the other half might well throw you in jail automatically for having a 25-30 rnd mag during a shooting . They don't like such "mean things" , as I said "optics" , which most prosecutors would use to effect.
The biggest issue I've experienced with an extended magazine is that it reduces positioning options i.e. while going prone, or using a brace, or hanging up on obstructions.
Another very good video!
The thing is, extended mags are good only for that 100 yards you need to make from your truck to shooting line. For weekend warriors and mall ninjas that is nice gimmick. But for actual soldiers in actual combat, thats totaly different thing. When you carry all that protective gear and rest of your s****t on you no one will bother with 40, 50 or 60rd mags sticking from your rifle. To the contrary I've seen more than a few guys going with 20rd mags in their rifles and spare 30rds on plate carriers.
@@TheCHris8726 theres pics of green berets using Magpul 60rd drum mag on a urgi m4. About as long as normal mag
@@TheCHris8726 I actually like running 20 and 10 round mags especially if I'm shooting prone.
You can use it as a monopod I see it as a boon not a bane
@@tristanhodgden4286 what can I say. Everyone do some stupid things from time to time. It's not only about lenght of that things. It's about reliability and weight too. With plate carriers, helmets, spares and all that additional gear hardly anyone wants to make their rifle heavier and clunkier than it already is to lug around. And don't even start that those few more bullets won't make any difference. On a patrol in rocky terrain of Afghanistan, every ounce counts. Of course everything depends on the context. Routine patrols are one thing, but more risky tasks where you know it's gonna get s*****y that's another one.
Personally I would carry two extra mags, not the extended magazine. I might need a second mag, but probably not. The chance I need a third mag is really small. I carry two extra in case one mag breaks and I am down to one extra. Shit is likely to go wrong during combat and shit usually breaks when you need it most.
Amen
@G Soap Carry a gun that holds more, you won't have the chance to reload. Watch active self protection. There has only been one case out of many thousands of real world encounters that someone had the chance to reload and continue to fight. It was a home invasion. Most of these arguments come from people's imagination of how they think a gun fight will happen instead of the real world.
How's that go?
2 is one and 1 is none.
Somthing like that.
I really enjoy Paul's vidios. Very informative and quite amusing .and yes I enjoy the shatneresk...... pauses lol. Keep up the good work.
I was sure I'd get to see Paul throw a spare mag at a meat target, to determine penetration..oh well.
Ending the meat target rightly
Really? I think you have a carnage addiction problem.
Uh, that's not how this works. That's not how any of this works!
Unnecessarily carnage, the mag would have came at the meat target with such force it would have blown apart.
Never thought about the weight / balance issue in regards to extended mags.
I tell people to carry an extra mag opposite the weapon for balance plus you should always have a spare. When they say, "one mag doesn't equal the weight of the weapon" I tell them to carry 2 and a flashlight. If that's not enough carry a Leatherman or the equivalent. They often say that's overkill. I reply, "maybe it is but are you willing to bet your life on it?"
I like bigger mags, the weight below the the gun I noticed helps me manage recoil and muzzle rise.
While hitting the center of the 3rd target seems to have been the weak spot - if you call 'only' a 9 ring a weak spot - it seems that IF ANYTHING the lighter the package, the lower the score. Maybe.
@@WyFoster I'm the same. That low weight does a lot to tame any flipping and I find it steadies my hold even for the opening shot.
@@davidzook8569 stop giving advice. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
I only use extended mags just for range fun. I find extended mags. Even OEM ones are more likely to cause a malfunction. Primarily the first few rounds and the last few in the mag. So if I did carry a extended mag. I would not load it to capacity.
Roger that. I download all my hi-cap mags down 2 rounds. Single stacks , 1 round.
What kind of oem mags are causing makfunctions? Mec gar makes fantastic 20rd mags that dont cause issues
@@burtbiggum499 It's a fud problem.
@@burtbiggum499 for what? Every model if firearm is different, and any gun can be more or less picky. Also, due to physics, there is a greater chance of an issue. Longer mag means longer spring, longer mag means more ammunition weight it has to push, longer mags and more ammunitionmean a significantincrease in friction for the process. This leads to springs that have different characteristics, made more drastic by the the length they must work in, usually being tight with the first few rounds, and loose with the last ones. Extended mags can be made well and be reliable, but not as reliable as shorter ones.
@@rgstever well that contributed nothing to the issue, and only demonstrated your inability to make a cogent argument.
This was a fantastic video, informative as always. I would be curious to see a video where Paul does the same testing for AR/AK platform mag couplers, like the magpul maglink, to see how much of an impact (if any) on time and effectiveness with multiple targets. I don't personally use couplers, due to the added weight to the rifle (I prefer to just keep spare mags in pouches), but I believe it would be an interesting topic related to this one.
When I carry a 1911, I also carry a 10 round extra mag. It conceals easily and isn't noticeably heavier than a standard 8 round mag.
I have to laugh at the folks that are making weight an issue. 999 out of 1000 of them are carrying an extra 20+ lbs on their gut and they think they're fooling anyone by arguing about 10 extra oz?
How many times has your gun jammed in the last week?
@@bensmith9164 Never, ever. If it jams, I don't carry it. Period.
@@bensmith9164buy decent guns and magazines and you wont have issues. Very simple
With this question Paul reminds me of Joe from mafia 2, when he gives you the 'extended' 1911s with 23 bullets. I don't know why, seeing this title reminded me of that. Extra ammo never hurt anyone, except the guy you're shooting at.
Mafia 2 was a great game. But I don’t recall extended magazines. It’s been a while since I played though.
I used to spend the first few hours of the game crushing cars to get quick cash. 😂
@@dr.floridamanphd *Spoilers for those who care*
Chapter... 10, the same mission that marty dies, when you get to the top of the sky scrapper joe gives you one. They're officially called the 'special 1911'. You get them from Geseppi (ammo) after Joe gives you one.
Those are based on real guns--Dillingers gang was caught with a 1911 that had been converted to full auto using an extended mag made from 2 standard mags welded together, and fitted with a foregrip from a Thompson SMG. I thought it was an awesome historical nod.
@@VorpalDerringer Wild. I wonder how he did that.
An interesting variation on this test would be to go from an 11-round flush baseplate mag to a 15-round mag on the Springfield Hellcat. That's the difference between a two-finger grip and a full-on three-finger grip. Perhaps next time I'm at the range I'll set up the same test Paul did and give it a go.
I carry my XD-S with a 5 or 6rnd mag and use 7rnd mags as extra.
My CCW is a XD-S as well, which I use a 9 round magazine, with 2 back up. When I go to the range, I use my 7 and 8 round magazines. I do notice the difference when changing between the 2 sizes, especially since the 7 rd sits flush to the base plate. But I don't see too much difference with my accuracy, although that might be because I can get 2 1/2 fingers on that 7rd magazine. Interesting point though.
@@bttlopener5964 My XD-S is a .45acp, and I wear a 2XL glove, so I need the room.
@Mr Cevant I think this was more about replacing two mags with one, rather than just larger mags in general.
I carry a 365 with the 12 rnd. in & as a spare. The 12 gives me the grip I like but I would carry the 15 as a backup if I had one & proved it reliable. I've read some are not.
I carried two 20 round Glock 17 magazines on my Sam Brown belt with one in the weapon. 60 rounds is heavy! It caused some nerve problems with my back after 32 years of police service. I only heard of one extended fire fight while active and that involved the use of every round in the weapon and a couple more from a reload. That was as a cop in a major west coast city. I carry a small revolver now with five rounds, sometimes an autoloader with 10 rounds. I feel comfortable with both. If we ever do devolve into civil war I will rethink the combat loadout I carry. Until that time, I fail to see why a private person, minding their own business, needs to carry so much ammo. The vast majority of firearms use involves two to three shots. A private person may also get in to legal trouble firing so many shots. Just my opinion.
I would be more concerned about surviving the scenario then legal trouble after the fact. As long as it is justified and you were protecting your life it shouldn't matter how many rounds were fired, shoot until the threat is stopped. In the off chance you find yourself in a legal battle with an anti constitutional judge, district attorney etc, I would still rather be in that situation compared to being buried.
@Wanye Smith while it may be better, spending 10 years in the pen with Bubba and the Boys is certainly not desirable
People like to pretend they are Rambo and will get into a massive firefight against a dozen men
@@tubeguy4066 ehh. I prepare for 3-4 attackers, what I carry. If one mag works, then great. If not I'm ready.
@@AustinRBa Id take 10 years with Bubba over leaving my family paying my funeral costs and my kid without a father. I'll also revert back to my original statement, If you're justified in using deadly force the amount of rounds fired shouldn't be relevant unless you keep firing after the threat has stopped.
Thanks Paul, I always learn from and enjoy your posts.
Thanks Paul! My whole family loves your content - looking forward to the next one!
I think there is another point that should have brought up and that is the judge and jury factor. A lot more scrutiny is going to fall on you when you say "I was only trying to defend myself" if you are walking around with a 17+ round magazine in your pocket.
If the DA wants to make an issue about it, have an answer ahead of time.
Example: having a 20rd magazine from a full size pistol that works in your carry compact. The 20rd is bigger but you can either say, "that's what the shop had" or "do you have a spare tire in your car? Same reason I have a spare magazine. They can break, and usually will at the worst possible time."
Present yourself as calm and reasonable, not to mention worried about where any missed shots might go.
Unless that’s the standard capacity of the gun. The Glock 17 has a 17 rounds capacity
Judge, they came with it.
I've got factory extended mags for my Glock 19 and 23. 17 and 33 rounders for the 19. 17 and 22 rounders for the 23. I carry both with their factory flush mags. But use the extended ones for reloads.
Honestly if you need 22 rounds of pistol ammo, you really should have brought a rifle to that fight instead.
@@exothermal.sprocketmaybe. But it's harder to hide my AR than an extended mag.
I've got lots of extended glock mags....for my Ruger PC carbine and my FM-9. I don't even own a Glock handgun.
I’d love to see how Paul does with a red dot on a pistol in comparison to when he shoots with iron sights. I ask this because many people are adopting red dots on their pistols, me included.
They work for some. I tried it and sold them. I guess I am too died in the wool and practiced with what I know. However, use whatever you feel and do the best with, be it optics, gun choice, caliber, etc. Whatever makes you best IS best.
I get the feeling that Paul really isn't a fan of any kind of sights other than good ol' irons.
I'd rather practice and get good with iron sites. I guess I'm just not very tacticoooool
@@sisleymichael I started off with irons and moved to a red dot a few years ago in USPSA. Shooting with a red dot has been fantastic for me because I’m able to target focus, have a faster makeup shot, and make shots at further distances.
@@rayburn8282 or using modern technology (red dot) and practicing. Which helps refine handgun skills further.
Or give it a cute name, whatever works.
Thanks for the great video
Hope to see more of the wilderness survival and hunting tips
Thanks to Paul's awesome drills and times I now know, my RIA 1911 and 1 standard 17round mag, is all I need. Makes perfect sense. Excellent job as always of showing a real popular question and its answer. Now if I could just shoot targets like Paul :)
I'd be more worried about the reliability of the extended magazines.
This is what I thought of. I have enough issues with single stack 10 rounders to trust a double stack 32 rounder
IMHO, the negative impact of trying to holster a carry pistol with a large capacity extended magazine is enough to dissuade me from doing that. But I've got no issue with carrying a spare (even a little bit extended) mag in my back pocket--just in case. And my EDC might have a slightly 'extended' (+2) capacity as well.
Good point I didn't even take into account. As we saw play out tragically recently, when cops roll up to a scene they have no idea who the good guy is. Getting that pistol stowed away safely after an incident is of great importance and can save a life
Yeah, for me, the extended (or full size, if you have something like an SR-9C that takes a short mag, or a full size) makes good sense as your spare magazine.
@Wanye Smith That's unreasonable. If you actually look at real world shootings, there isn't as much a difference between 9mm and 45 to make a difference. I cannot see a logical reason to carry anything but 9mm unless laws effect your choice, or if you only have a gun in a different caliber.
The reholstering issue is an excellent point.
Yeah, but in that instance just drop the mag and reholster, keeping the mag ready just in case more baddies show up of course.
If I'm in a battle with my pistol and going through 2 15rounds mags vs 1 30mag..I think I'm already in trouble.
Another well thought out wise presentation. Always thought provoking.
Great presentation with many valid points. Thanks much.
God bless all here.
I always have my carry pistol with a standard extra magazine. If my carry rig allows me to fight my way to my truck, which is where id be headed , Ive got a pretty big force multiplier. I hope I never need 31 rounds and my truck in the same incident....Thats a bad day.
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When idiots think giving a thumbs up doesn’t anything meaningful. Lol
Usual wisdom is, with a compact gun, you'll carry the gun with the flush-fitting short magazine and then carry as a spare either the magazine from the full-size version, one with an extended floorplate, or both. 30 round extended mags aren't practical, but a 16 shot spare with a +2 extended floorplate is still an upgrade over a compact magazine with 14 shots.
I marvel at the practical disconnect of a glock 26 with a compensator and a +5 baseplate. Some of them sure look cool though!
As always the information in the videos is good, solid information! Really enjoy them!
Paul is a very gifted marksman for sure. Thanks Paul for making these tests and recording it.
"Was there enough of a difference to make a difference?". I would buy a T-Shirt with that on it. As far as the high cap goes I would prefer to carry two mags. Not for round count but because of potential magazine failure which to me is more likely than needing a 30 round mag. Just my opinion.
I'm in for that shirt.....
Add to the back...
You Be The Judge!
😉
I think the extra cap backup mags comes from the sub gun guys like me whose carry gun holds 12 but but I can get standard 17 round mags that fit in it. So depending on the situation I carry either 17 round backups or 12 for minimalist carry.
I thought the same thing, I carry a 17rd with my 12rd capacity gun. 30rd would be ridiculous, do people actually do that?
I carried a glock 19 and glock 26 as duty pistols in the early 2000's. I carried the single glock 26 mag and if i needed to reload then i would have used my glock 19 mags. The 26 was mostly my off duty weapon and often was locked in my car unless we were doing warrant sweeps or i had a walking patrol and was checking locks on businesses.
I agree and I often carry a compact double stacked 9mm with a 10 round magazine with my pinkie dangling underneath. Better concealment with the flush mag. My second mag holds 14 rounds and I get a full grip. In that case my accuracy might improve with the extended mag. Still the 38 Super demonstration has me wondering whether the difference matters much. Seems like it can’t really hurt.
Great demonstration of the principles in question. As usual Paul has given me something more to think about.
I carry a revolver, but watched anyway. That's the way things go with Paul's videos.
You think reloads aren’t a thing with revolvers or something? Because of your senseless comment I’d wager that you don’t carry a gun at all.
@@sqwk2559 You may be misinterpreting the
comment’s intent. Extended speed loaders or extended moon clips simply aren’t a thing with revolvers. You just carry more of them if you want multiple reloads. I’m not even aware of any extended speed strips, though they might well exist.
@@sqwk2559 because of your senseless comment, I’d wager that you’ve never seen a revolver. The presentation is on extended magazines. Therefore, the presentation is geared towards people who carry autoloaders. Think before you speak.
Any gun is better than no gun.
@@sqwk2559 Show me where to find huge extended magazines for a j-frame revolver and I'll buy one. You'll have to explain the physics to me first, though.
Until you're able to explain it to me, I guess I'll continue carrying a speedloader or strip loaded with ammo that matches the number of holes in the cylinder. Such is the way of us simple people, and the limitations we live with for being born with smaller brains than yours.
This is Bob LD's husband. My take is that you are an INCREDIBLE shot sir. You are also an incredible teacher, and speaker. Thank You!
This is, hands down, my favorite firearm YT channel. I want to be Paul Harrell when I grow up! Not joking ;-) 🍻
After last year's riot season, in fall thru spring I carried a Glock 19 in a shoulder holster with a standard mag, 2 Glock 17 mag reloads and a 33 extended mag in a coat pocket. Hard to pull off in summer tho... Always better to have a little too much ammo than not enough 😂
I wore armor with plates last winter now I just carry a glock. Can't wait to get my armor back on when it cools down!
Bro just keep a basketball on you everywhere you go for a distraction.
@Wanye Smith what shoulder holster do you use? Haven’t found one I like yet
@Wanye Smith that’s wayyyyyy to flashy for me. I’m not knocking you do what you wish but AZ DPS officers are only required to carry 2 reloads so you must be preparing for some shit if you need twice that load out
If you can't solve a self defense situation with 2 standard magazines, I imagine magazine capacity is not you primary problem.
@Wanye Smith bro, don't go to "gang territory" then. lol
Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
Having been threatened by a member of organized crime, and knowing their MO, I want to have firearms that are capable of putting a lot of shots accurately on multiple attackers as quickly as possible. That indicates a need for high capacity magazines. Of course that is not your typical self defense threat from an armed robber or crazed lunatic.
@@jaynecobb1 don’t they use car bombs anymore?
@@briancox2592 This particular organization has not used car bombs, as far as I know.
I always carry at least one spare mag. That said, I stick to factory mags and while I carry a G19, I may carry a G17 backup mag, both at normal capacity without aftermarket mag extenders.
That’s exactly what I do. I also have an aftermarket barrel in the 19 that’s 4.5” so it’s a functional equivalent to a 17
As usual yet another great informative vid from Mr Harrell. it makes me realise what the real shooting enthusiast in the UK have lost. I can remember a time when i could pop down to my local club and spend a couple of hours in the company of fellow club members shooting 10meter turning targets with my .38 smith 686 with home loads . Just a couple of hours of harmless fun I guess you don't know just what you have lost if you never had it in the first place. Something to think about my American cousins
Excellent video. I think it also depends on the type of extended magazine. While a 30+rd mag is unwieldy to carry concealed, there are Beretta 92 magazines that hold 18-20rds yet only extend 1-2" below the grip frame. There are also 1911 mags that hold 9-10rds of .45ACP that also extend 1-2" below the grip frame. These mags make more sense to carry, especially if you routinely carry a round in the chamber (+1) and a full mag in the pistol. As for accuracy shifting.....that only becomes an issue if you're getting into high-precision shots....not something you'll see much in combat shooting scenarios.
Thanks for all you do!
I'm surprised there was no discussion of how an extended mag would be a liability in the investigation following a defensive use of a firearm.
Any legal precedent to support that?
I would hope your lawyer would have that argument squared away and ready to go just in case that's brought up in court. I dont think it would be an issue unless most of your shots were necessary. I think it would be a problem if the bad guys on the ground, and clearly not a threat any more and you just mag dump his swiss cheesed body
@@joshuakang4507 legal precedent to support the idea that a politically motivated prosecution will seize on the tiniest of minutiae in order to demonize and convict someone who had to use their gun in self defense? I mean I could dig out my MAG 40 notebook and give you chapter and verse of the times that number of rounds carried, type of rounds carried, and/or model of firearm became an issue at trial
There are members of our society who already hate guns and the people who carry them. They have been steeped in the idea that anyone with a gun is a mass murderer waiting to happen and that “high capacity magazines” are every psycho lunatic’s go to tool.
@@draugur345 sure. Find a case where you could positively say the type of weapon or it’s accessories had a significant role in a conviction, where there possibly wouldn’t have been one if they used a different weapon/accessory. No shit the prosecution is gonna pull everything out it’s ass, that’s their job.
@@joshuakang4507 Harold Fish
Does the extra weigh of an extended magazine reduce the felt recoil and make a light pistol easier to train with?
That would have been my question. In my experience, yes.
no, but gloves will
I will occasionally carry an extra magazine, but I usually carry an additional backup pistol instead. I have found this to be just as simple and comfortable as carrying an extra mag.
I also think this is a better choice in case something goes wrong with your primary weapon because if your primary fails you, an extra magazine is useless.
Paul, I always enjoy your videos! Thank you
Thank you for presenting this subject. Well done, sir!
I've been CCW in harm's way for 33 years. 90% of that time was with a 1911 with one 8 round magazine in the pistol and another in reserve. Never once have I felt I needed more rounds. Carried a P7M13 for a few years as well. Again, one mag in the tool and another *just in case*. I always thought "Who the hell is going to need, let alone shoot, 27 rounds?!" I frequently carry a Kahr K9 or T9 now. Again, one single stack mag with another in reserve. Never felt the need for anything extended or belt-fed. "Skills before equipment" one teacher preached to me.
Agreed, my original piece was an 7+1 and I did not feel inadequately equipped. If someone truly feels they need all that, they might consider the scenarios they get into and the level of their training.
Always appreciate your straight foward no nonsense presentations. I OC 9mm taurus clone of berretta 92 with 20 rd mag and usually one but sometimes two 20rd spares depending. Although this gun has operated flawlessly for many rds I expect malfunctions to occur at the worst times. Spare mags needed for murphy moments.
For me, the only time I carry an "extended" magazine is my glock 26. standard 10 round mag in it, then a 17 round mag spare... Because I already have it. and it isn't much bigger.
Yeah, I like having the different mag options on my G26. Though I often carry with the 17 rd and 10-12rd as the spare. If reloads never happen in civilian incidents, I'd rather have 17 rds, but not possible to conceal the 17 rd mag with certain attire.
@Mr Cevant well 10 rounds is the standard magazine in a g26….
I find the 17 mag easier to handle, so it's convenient as a reload and comes closer to being the same motions for both guns.
Always instructive and well thought out, Colt .38 Super one of my favorite pistol/cartridge combinations.
I completely agree.... great video thank you Paul
Nobody in a gunfight says "I wish I had brought less bullets"😒
Well this is a rather one off and rare kind of event but I bet people with bad ammo or spiked ammo (explosive inside the bullet) which caused their gun to explode would have prefer not to have the extra bullets.
Apparently you have never heard the adage "light makes might"
*fewer
@Wanye Smith *muscle Why is there no attention to detail?
@@kirenireves You're not even going to mention *too?
I was so hopeful that Paul would reach into his pocket and slowly pull out a Jokeresque 250 round magazine for that Colt.
Was waiting for Paul to pull out a drum mag...
Friday night just got even better 👍
Always informative Paul.. love the videos..
Great video Paul. Excellent presentation as always.
My 2 cents would add that in a cww situation it doesn’t make enough of a difference and isn’t worth the cumbersome nature of a long extended mag. But, in home defense situations or with the mentioned suitcase back ups, it does make sense in my opinion. Sometimes being able to lay down cover fire is helpful and sometimes one round can make THE difference. If the zombie hoards get to you, you may need that last round lol.
If the zombie hoard gets to you, the last round won't be for the zombies...
If you know how to shoot a revolver is the best solution
especially 357 magnum
I was talking to a police officer once, 357 automatically evokes respect (as when you see a Rolls Royce or a Ferrari) on the other side
Just one bullet is enough and everyone knows who the "boss" is in a fight, and they often surrender to him just for that
for zombies => an ax with a long handle 😁
@@tihomirrasperic that was the stupidest shit I’ve read in a while. I love .357 but I’m gunna carry my 9mm just because how cringe that post was.
@@Codiea 😂
@@tihomirrasperic And if you draw a 1911 in 45, they just fall over dead, right?? :)
I never leave my house without 2 100 round drums for my glock
You should consider having one Glock per drum.
@@RealDeanWinchester never thought of that. What about 2 Glocks and 4 drums?.
@@cloroxlavenderscent4307 6 glocks and 6 drums, like in the boondock saints.
I have the feeling that when the character Mike Franks was written, they were looking for Paul.
Always enjoy your videos and your information is very helpful stay safe and best wishes from Zapata Texas
thank you paul for the video and information!!!
The odds of needing a concealed carry weapon are low, odds of needing a second mag is even lower, odds of needing an extended mag are astronomical. Chance of me having a couple fun sticks near me at all times, very high.
Whère you livin? Im up on charges for shootin AT meth heàds threatin me...12 on one
@@rustybird8803 I hope you still had 12 rounds after the warning shots lol
@@rustybird8803 Jesus
@@rustybird8803 Sounds like you got one of those few bad places in town. I dont know where you live, but I travelled WA and would never go anywhere without a conceal.
But yeah, chances are most people wont ever have that sort of action for most if not all of their lives
Yes it wàs nuts ... hotel didnt run the ac till some onè paid to be there . A fuckin oven with a shitty ac... it was coolèr outside with a breeze an a hundrèd degrèes.. plus humid ty im on the rail they deàlin thèìr balls off . Ďont like me out there and start threatenen me fuckin nùts one came up in my face half a second from shootin his ass
Just an opinion but, an extra large mag would be a big target to a crooked cop. And, or be a huge disadvantage in a self defense hearing.
Thank you. I had to search down over 100 comments to find this point. A liberal judge would instantly think the citizen was 'spoiling for a fight' if he saw that extended magazine.
Hey Paul, I was curious if you could do a presentation on testing for home defense.
A full sized pistol, vs shotgun, vs briefcase gun or pdw style weapon and rifles
Advantages, disadvantages, quirks, etc.
I'll admit it might be an expensive and long presentation but I'd love it. A complete guide to home defense options!
I believe he’s pretty much covered that in a few separate videos.
One of the most common points of malfunction on a gun is the magazine. Carrying a spare is a great idea, and in my opinion, carrying your gun means carrying an extra magazine, all the time.
That being said, I would have liked to see Paul test the extended magazine in a more realistic setting for a self defense shooting regarding magazine changes. If your firefight has gone sideways enough to need a reload, you'll probably be behind cover and/or in an irregular position, as opposed to standing squarely on the target at seven or ten yards, wherever he was I don't recall. I think that the combination of high stress, irregular position, and shooting from behind cover could very well change the results. Part two maybe?
Great video, as always. Favorite internet gun guy right here. 👍
@Paul Harrell Man with all of your knowledge on firearms, you'd make an excellent action movie with proper representation of firearms and how they work. I absolutely love this channel. thank you for the best information on the platform.
Once again, I'm a little smarter after having watched one of Paul's presentations.
I typically carry a 15rd mag in my Glock 19 and a spare mag with a +5 extension. Still concealable without having to dress around it.
I do this exact thing with my g43x and shield arms mags. Spare with a +5 baseplate in the back pocket with a neomag
@@cloneorder6641 how do you conceal a magazine in your back pocket? BTW I also edc the 43x with shield mags and I do have one of the +5 extensions but it is usually for range use only.
@@XDWX with the neomag
@@cloneorder6641 I get you use the neomag but don't see how it conceals. It would stick out and be obvious. My back pockets are never covered by clothing unless I am wearing a big winter coat. The back pockets on my pants are barely deep enough to even hold the mag. People would easily see the mag.
You carry a Glock, you're a smart man
"covered with red pasties so they're easier to see". That all depends. They could, in some places, be used as camouflage.
Only discovered Paul’s channel. Think I’ve found my comfort zone. Great videos