I saw this post it just made me smile. The videos with these two together are always the absolute best. I'm going to save it for later when the kids go to bed and I can really enjoy it
These talk show video-podcasts with TGV and Marc are my absolute favorite watch media. Personable gentleman that don’t come off as pretentious, elitist, label driven a-holes like the Hodinkee and Crown and Caliber crowds do. A cracking show.
Fantastic TGV and Mark. As a father of three amazing and active children I have not able to get into the watches I have wanted. However, TGV, you inspired me to buy a Tissot Powermatic 80 a year ago and now a Alpina Seastrong diver. Financially Omega is out there for me...but you are right, starting at a lower price allowed me to I love these more affordable Swiss pieces. Thank you guys!
Started my girls early, 3 and 5 had their first ones before two and they always get excited when dad gets a new package in the mail, love working on them also
I have decided to limit my collection in something around USD 1k for a reason - where I live, it would be dangerous to go around with a USD 5k watch on the wrist... and I cannot imagine having an Omega or Rolex and not wearing it... this would just kill me to have it and not be able (or feel safe) to just wear the thing... at the end of the day, it is about the balance of what you like and can have fun with (I have watches in the range of USD 20 - 1k and love them all equally - they make me happy).
If you don't feel safe wearing a Rolex thinking that someone will steal it you're hanging in the wrong neighborhoods just stay home and hide under your bed
@@eddieg849 But things have changed in many places, its become pretty common that the criminals have lookout outside clubs, expensive gyms, restaurants, then they strike when you walk out, at the parking, around the corner. Also different kind of "scams", gang of thieves that pretend to be just ordinary drunk people who wants to party, then walk up to you and wants to "dance" then they slip the watch of your wrist.
@@eddieg849 Seems to be your default answer to hide under a bed, Instead of hiding under bed wear whatever you're comfortable with maybe? if a certain type of crime has gone up and you realy dont want to loose that special watch, why be stupid and risk it? wear something more cheap and basic, like omega or oris.
In 1980 I purchased a GMT Master at the Navy Exchange in Sicily, for $550. A Submariner was $500. For me, it was a lot of money, but it didn’t seem like a ‘luxury’ purchase.. it was nice, but I beat the hell out of that thing and would do the same if I had another. I’d say it’s akin to owning a Ferrari and not driving the wheels off it. That’s my definition of luxury.. having something, pricey or not, that not everyone has, that brings you joy. I have two Bulova watches on the way. Both are orange, and I think will be fun to wear: Devil Diver & Surfboard Thx for a thought provoking video!
That's why I bought a Black Bay instead of a Submariner. I had the opportunity to choose and I just knew that spending double (more) the money and the fact that it was a Rolex would make me second guess wearing it and it would be in my mind constantly to be careful. I picked up the Tudor and have worn it almost every day over the last few years. Its scratched and banged up but keeps great time and still looks good. I've had a lot of enjoyment out of it that I dont know I wouldve gotten with the Sub.
Next episode: Mark's entire state of the watch collection. I believe people wanted to see all of his watches, but Mark just didn't find a way to do it. Two hour video most likely, but everyone will watch it. Try to convince him TGV lol. Probably gonna say no, but just nudge him in that direction ;) Always enjoy your talks and content, cheers.
When it comes to watches, "having more than you need" is a good way to define luxury. As you mention, that means most second watches would qualify as luxury watches, regardless of the price point. However, when looking at brands that offer good value, I think the versatility of the watch should play into that evaluation. My mom wore a two-tone DJ every day for forty years. Cartier may not seem like a value brand, but if you consider the cost-per-use of say, a Tank that you can wear nearly every day for the rest of your life, it's a sound investment.
I agree. Having a collection of reasonably expensive watches, can be seen as a luxury. Having one watch you personally love, whether £10 or £20,000, can seem like a luxury, to a person who would love that particular watch, but can't afford it.
The problem with affordables is when you end up with fifteen watches that cost $100 each (give or take) and then think damn, I could have bought one nice watch like an Oris Aquis. (Speaking from personal experience.)
Hindsight is 20/20 how would you have known you would of enjoyed the Aquis more. I’m sure at each point in time you bought those watches you enjoyed them. It took you 15 watches to come to that realization. How do you know if saved up and bought the aquis upfront you wouldn’t buy any affordable pieces after. There had to be a reason you were drawn to those specific affordable pieces. I’m just saying from experience. I started with affordable pieces and finally bought and omega speedmaster and tudor black bay and still really enjoy my affordable pieces. Im still hunting for more watches both luxury and affordable. I guess I would say enjoy the journey of watch collecting.
@@theurbangentry I am not saying you can't enjoy them. Again, I am only speaking from personal experience. Also, I have found that my tastes change over time. I now prefer quality over quantity just as I prefer smaller watches to larger watches. I think this will happen with most people. However, if you are satisfied with cheaper watches then that is fine. This is all personal taste so there is no right or wrong answer.
@@soulboxphoto As you and I both stated, it comes down to personal preference. There is no right or wrong answer. I am simply stating what I have discovered over many years of buying and selling.
This channel has brought me so much joy, every video is made with so much energy! Seeing you guys in the same room again is fantastic, nothing beats your chemistry!
* Opens TH-cam * * Sees a new Urban Gentry video posted 5 minutes ago * BANG ON TIME! Answering the last question, I think Omega is the perfect example of high-end watch which offers you great value for money with near-Rolex standards for half the price. My second pick would be Tudor.
Bizarrely the Rolex wait list, the inflated prices on certain models actually cheapens the brand, many buyers see Rolex as a status symbol and consequently obtaining a Rolex elevates people into believing they’ve reached an upper echelon club! Many other brands offer the same or better quality than Rolex, Omega springs to mind, quality just as good if not better, superior movements, certified at a higher level and Omega dares to do something different. Rolex just isn’t different enough for the price point.
Love hearing the German watch makers getting love at the end! I am a huge fan of Sinn, and my long time grail is an A Lange & Sohne Datograph 😀. Great video as always!
In the $1000-$2000 category Germans really do have amazing choices. Sinn, Muhle, Hanhart, Tutima, Guinand, Nomos, plus all those traditional flieger makers. There's even a microbrand called Dekla which manufactures everything themselves (except the movement) where for a little over $1000 you can customize a flieger however you want and even put an SW300 in it.
@@RunawayYe sometimes I get more information from the comments than from the video. Thank you for the tip, I've been meaning to buy a good value German watch since I've been living here for a while now.
It is not only in GMT mode, the F91W can also do stop watch like Daytona, dual time (means it is tri-time with Tudor time), timer, alarm and Day-Date-Year.
I'm a bit weird, I have an inverse appreciation with my watches, I find the more affordable ones more impressive. I often stare at my £84 Orient Ray II, and wonder how it can have such flawlessly polished hands and perfectly placed indices. Though I love my 9K ceramic Sub, I'm not as impressed, more expectant. I do avoid name first, watch second brands like Gucci, Dan Wellington, Fossil etc, but nothing else is off the table, to hell with price.
Both of you work hard at articulating things that many of us feel but haven't put into words. Plus, both of you introduce us to brands, types, and niches we would not otherwise have experienced. I will echo so many other comments as well- Marc and you are so comfortable together, and yet bring such different perspectives, and then the editing, which ties it all together, I don't think there's a better channel out there.
“Where do you see yourself in four years?” Mark absolutely nails it. Great video and always good to see you both. Really good that you covered this as a subject
Excellently timed video! Within the past few weeks, I was deciding what my upper limit was in terms of what I was willing to spend on a watch. I arrived at $2000 and bought a Longines Evidenza. That gave me about $500 extra to play around with for extra straps as well as another more affordable watch (a vintage Victorinox...also with a rectangular case).
TGV & Marc... always some of the best watch chats on TH-cam... and better than most watch podcasts. No manufactured drama or controversies. Just a couple friends sharing in the hobby.
Great to have Marc on board again. I think luxury is more related to exclusively and craftsmanship than just price. In absolute terms, a $100 watch is affordable for a very large majority of people, but so is a $100 cigar. The second is luxury, probably not the first.
Sitting and listening to you two chat about watches is like having a drink with two old friends that I haven't seen for a bit. I thoroughly enjoyed this video. My favorite part is that neither of you is pretentious about what kind of watches you like and own. The 40 dollar watch is as interesting as the 7000 dollar watch. That kind of mindset really shows the love of the hobby. Well done, gents!
I was sad to hear this video end. I very much enjoyed the conversation and wished it could have continued on. It was nice to hear your personal accounts of various watch purchases with descriptions of how they made you feel. Please share more in future videos. Cheers!
I just brought a Longines moonphase, my most expensive watch so far. Just love the reminder of the achievement, and the symbolism of how far I came in life is great to have everytime I check the time.
I love watching you and Marc together; 2 different worlds with the common love of horology. Great fun and information! (also love the lack of pretense) I find that my Oris Aquis (39.5) is the one watch I can't stop wearing. I usually have a dozen or so watches but keep going back to the Aquis. Mine is the black on black all gloss model so it works for dressing up or surfing! I think Oris has found the perfect balance of quality for price with these newer model divers and I can't imagine finding a better watch for the money!
The two best and knowledgeable people in watchdom. Best value for me is Long Island Watches brand. As for me any Seiko Spring Drive would be my piece de resistance.
I thoroughly enjoyed this perspective on watch collection, I started of with an irrational obsession with luxury watches from a certain Australian channel, what’s his name again? However TGV helped me to put things into rational perspective, now it’s about the man that wears the watch and his overall appreciation of horology. Thanks Guv’nor!
Great video with Mark and TGV and a great explanation of Luxury vs. Affordable and how it varies from individual to individual. Keep going with these great videos.
I absolutely love you guys. Two GENTLEMEN, talking about watches, without putting on airs. Understanding and supporting the hobby by not excluding anyone based on taste or the amount of money someone can spend. Supporting inclusiveness rather than exclusiveness. Bravo.
I just bought omega seamaster 300m before I finished this video and I was happy with my purchase, but even more so now that two men of gentlemen of warch culture approve of it 👌
Honestly, one of my favorite collaborations and recent uploads. A pretty honest conversation with several great points. A lot of objective points of view. A perfect way to agree and disagree.
TGV, My mom came from very humble beginnings. She loved the opera. She would iron my dad's shirts and hankerchiefs on Sunday afternoons and listen to the Met on the Texaco Opera Radio program. My one and only opera visit was to see Tosca at the Met years ago. We sat up in the rafters where my mom said the real opera fans can be found. I was blown away! Love your channel.
Good point about starting at the top and not appreciating lower tier watches. My first nice watch was an Accutron Spaceview in 1973, then many Casio digitals through the early 80's, then a Rolex Explorer in 1986. I went from basic to top drawer passing the entire lower tier in one fell swoop. Lower priced watches eluded me for decades. Good vid. Keep at it!
Fabulous and in-depth discussion that really does reflect so much of the watch collecting chatter. Great to hear both your views. I agree that it is price that is the primary determinate and other 'luxury' factors flow from that, like quality. However, the luxury price threshold certainly is unique to the individual collector. The brand discussion was spot on.
The topic of how one values watches in consideration of quality/money/status/personal wealth is an interesting one. These two make a point to address this world with respect and humility while still showing appreciation for craftsmanship and design. I appreciate that.
Just wanted to go on the record and say Mark and Long Island watch customer service is top notch. Had a problem with an Islander and he quickly took care of it. Many thanks and hope future success.!
This was a great discussion, thanks for the content. Awesome editing too, always popping a photo in of what was mentioned, along with the music and subtle cuts, very underrated.
I really enjoy these videos with you and Mark. He makes an excellent point of enjoying the affordably priced watches and then “growing” one’s appreciation for the slightly more expensive ones. I feel this is a great way to understand on what one enjoys and appreciates in a watch and to start collecting watches they enjoy.
I could listen to these two all day. I liked the nod to working your way up and earning the luxury watch, a true appreciator of the timepiece would do this.
For me, owning watches is already a luxury, which is why i gravitate to more affordable ones. I might jump on the luxury, for features we can't get in affordable tiers, like >50 hour power reserve indicator, etc.
Such a big fan TGV. From back at the beginning. I'm from Glasgow and these late videos leave me tired for work in the morning 🤣 keep up the good content. One of the best on the platform 👌
Thank you Steve, I deeply appreciate the loyal support, it speaks volumes about your character. As for the late nights, sorry about that my friend 😬🤣🙏 Stay safe and well, onwards and upwards! Best regards, TGV
been thinking of getting an Islander SARB datejust model (but waiting for the Salmon color), it's nice to be able to see the presence of the watch on wrist in this video with Marc wearing it!
I love the fact that Mark really understands the average American in regards to what’s considered luxury. Another amazing video as usual. Keep up the great work and collaboration!
Great video, very genuine & thoughtful. For myself I'd rather have several mid range watches than one or two luxury pieces. It's all about the variety & unique differences between styles and brands.
Once again, thank you for giving me the opportunity to set in on a watch discussion. I do have hopes of finding a local watch enthusiast but until then this is great..
Great episode gents, always fun to watch (no pun intended). I thought about your comment regarding moving from a luxury watch down to an affordable watch purchase and have to say that whilst my initial foray into Swiss was with Hamilton, my “big luxury” purchase was an Omega Seamaster PO 2500 and love it, but baby the hell out of it for fear of damaging it. I pondered this and purchased another Citizen eco-drive and absolutely love it. I wear it without fear of damaging it, dont wonder about servicing costs and dont have to consider whether to keep the auto running all the time for oil circulation or let it sit in a watch box when not in use. So I consider the fun factor of a watch to be my “luxury”. Cheers
Always a great pleasure seeing TGV and Marc in a video together. Best regards from "Sinn watches city" Frankfurt am Main, Germany to both of you and the global watch enthusiast community.
Love the episode ! It is a true wisdom from Mark who share his thought on the appreciation from affordable to more luxury. Starting from the top, and you will lose the opportunity to appreciate ranges of watches
you guys together are always great and very entertaining.i always look forward to them.As for affordable vs luxury ,i always buy for me,not to impress others ,there is no joy in that.if its high price,low price, automatic,quartz, or a homage, its for me,not others.thanks for a great show
Hey tgv, great vid. I would like to ask your opinion on buying the Q swatch. I know that it’s pricey for a swatch but I really love the design and would like a James Bond watch for not to much dough.
Good stuff once again ! I think you two are a great combination, both goofy and funny, heavily into watches, but with different perspectives. You're both sincere and seem like down to earth people. You value the beauty in affordable and expensive watches. Always appreciate you twos insight and of course the content! Thanks, regards from Norway.
As a young junior officer in the US Coast Guard I saved up and purchased my first luxury watch new in 1986: a Rolex Explorer 1016. I transitioned from beeping Casios to Rolex in one fell swoop. It was 10 years later before I purchased my next watch of any sort: Omega Seamster 300 mid-size. I saved long and hard for the Rolex but threw the Omega purchase on a credit card. They felt different - saving for it versus instant gratification and then paying for it. Good vid. Keep at it!
Is that an ENTER THE VOID poster in the background?!?! Also great content! I just stumbled upon your channel and started to really get into watches a couple months ago. Keep up the great content 👍
Great topic and excellent discussion about what defines luxury, and about how much enjoyment can be had wearing a watch at any tier. "Happiness is wanting what you have", and it seems that creating wonderful memories wearing whatever watch is on your wrist is often what makes that timepiece truly valuable in the long run.
Double thumbs up for this video! 👍👍 Oris gets a mention for the first time since I've been a subscriber 🥳 I thought maybe you had some kinda beef with the brand... Love my Aquis, it's done 4 years of faultless daily service. Another terrific video guys, splendid stuff.
Awesome video! Love it when you and Marc collaborate, always great content. I got my first luxury (to me, as Marc said) watch last week, it is a Fortis Flieger Chronograph 597.10.141.2 second hand. I love it! It was a spur of the moment buy, but I've wanted a Fortis for ages now, thanks to you. I'm saving up for the Amadee-20 now! Keep up the awesome content both of you!
Purchased a Sinn 203 jubilee limited edition because of Urban Gentry and am blown away every day!.Best of both worlds. Bulit like a tank, super light all titanium and the colour absolutely matches everything. Keeps amazing time, is a chrono and a diver to 300m.. an affordable cross between a Daytona and a Submariner, but discreet and basically no one has one. There is also an Ar dehumidifying capsule as a bonus to guarantee watch is always dry. What a joy to wear everyday.. I can't thank you enough!
I very much enjoyed this conversation based around watches rather than regarding specific watches. This aspect of watches is interesting, including an area loosely covered, Veblen goods.
Great vid Chaps. Completely agree that " Luxury" purchases are completely those which one can afford. My budget is around 5K so the brands you mentioned are perfect. My own personal choice is GS. Take care, Lance.
Agree Omega and Oris for a first luxury watch, Oris has come such a long way over the last few years and are up there with the rest A good friend bought a new Tag with a quartz movement that cost £1000, he wished he never bought it when I showed him what he could have bought for the same price Love the show I so look forward to these chilled discussions, thanks for letting us be part of it 👍
The "Dream Team" of watch reviewers. Love the video. I'm no where near you guy's level of collector but as i slowly increase i really appreciate each upgrade i make. Thanks for all you do
Great video guys. Thanks. I hope to get my first "luxury" watch at the end of the year. You mentioned it right at the end of the video. A Hanhart MKI. It's different, well made and I love it... I agree: German watches are quality build and some are certainly luxury (Glashütte, Lange&Sohne...). I just got in this hobby and as a mechanical engineer, I build and modded some watches. It gives me a great feeling to wear these. I know I'll get the same feeling with the Hanhart. Manybe in the future an Omega, but where does it end? Will a Royal Oak give me even more pleassure in horology when owning one? Not at the moment for me...
I saw this post it just made me smile. The videos with these two together are always the absolute best. I'm going to save it for later when the kids go to bed and I can really enjoy it
Thank you Joe, so glad to hear, I love doing this too.
Best regards,
TGV
That’s what I already did… kids are in the bed 😀
Agree 100%!!!!
TGV is so pleasant and earnest. Don’t know why other channels have to trash him for it. If/when they do it I stop watching them.
These talk show video-podcasts with TGV and Marc are my absolute favorite watch media. Personable gentleman that don’t come off as pretentious, elitist, label driven a-holes like the Hodinkee and Crown and Caliber crowds do. A cracking show.
Nothing is more pleasant than drinking your coffee in the company of TGV and Marc! Thank you guys for a fun and enjoyable start to the day!
The mad lads are back and that means it's a great day. Thank you for the consistent entertainment!
Fantastic TGV and Mark. As a father of three amazing and active children I have not able to get into the watches I have wanted. However, TGV, you inspired me to buy a Tissot Powermatic 80 a year ago and now a Alpina Seastrong diver. Financially Omega is out there for me...but you are right, starting at a lower price allowed me to I love these more affordable Swiss pieces. Thank you guys!
Started my girls early, 3 and 5 had their first ones before two and they always get excited when dad gets a new package in the mail, love working on them also
I have decided to limit my collection in something around USD 1k for a reason - where I live, it would be dangerous to go around with a USD 5k watch on the wrist... and I cannot imagine having an Omega or Rolex and not wearing it... this would just kill me to have it and not be able (or feel safe) to just wear the thing... at the end of the day, it is about the balance of what you like and can have fun with (I have watches in the range of USD 20 - 1k and love them all equally - they make me happy).
If you don't feel safe wearing a Rolex thinking that someone will steal it you're hanging in the wrong neighborhoods just stay home and hide under your bed
@@eddieg849 . Or move!!
@@eddieg849 But things have changed in many places, its become pretty common that the criminals have lookout outside clubs, expensive gyms, restaurants, then they strike when you walk out, at the parking, around the corner. Also different kind of "scams", gang of thieves that pretend to be just ordinary drunk people who wants to party, then walk up to you and wants to "dance" then they slip the watch of your wrist.
@@Robanjo simple solution just stay home and hide under your bed for the rest of your life and you will be safe
@@eddieg849 Seems to be your default answer to hide under a bed, Instead of hiding under bed wear whatever you're comfortable with maybe? if a certain type of crime has gone up and you realy dont want to loose that special watch, why be stupid and risk it? wear something more cheap and basic, like omega or oris.
I'm a watchmaker and every Saturday I listen to opera on the radio wile repairing watches. So watches and opera do go together!
great video guys.
If Hublot’s pricing is meant to keep out the riff raff then their plan has failed miserably since I only see them on riff raff
Yep
They are like Burberry
@@glostergloster6945 Dont insult Burberry like that
Fakes maybe?
Omegalul!
As a simple man I'd just be happy if I could afford one of each of Marc's islanders. Love them all
In 1980 I purchased a GMT Master at the Navy Exchange in Sicily, for $550. A Submariner was $500.
For me, it was a lot of money, but it didn’t seem like a ‘luxury’ purchase.. it was nice, but I beat the hell out of that thing and would do the same if I had another. I’d say it’s akin to owning a Ferrari and not driving the wheels off it. That’s my definition of luxury.. having something, pricey or not, that not everyone has, that brings you joy. I have two Bulova watches on the way. Both are orange, and I think will be fun to wear: Devil Diver & Surfboard
Thx for a thought provoking video!
Fantastic comment, thank you for sharing that Mark, especially as I will be revisiting GMTs again soon.
Best regards,
TGV
That's why I bought a Black Bay instead of a Submariner. I had the opportunity to choose and I just knew that spending double (more) the money and the fact that it was a Rolex would make me second guess wearing it and it would be in my mind constantly to be careful. I picked up the Tudor and have worn it almost every day over the last few years. Its scratched and banged up but keeps great time and still looks good. I've had a lot of enjoyment out of it that I dont know I wouldve gotten with the Sub.
Next episode: Mark's entire state of the watch collection.
I believe people wanted to see all of his watches, but Mark just didn't find a way to do it. Two hour video most likely, but everyone will watch it. Try to convince him TGV lol. Probably gonna say no, but just nudge him in that direction ;)
Always enjoy your talks and content, cheers.
I guess you would need several episodes to cover all the watch drawer.😅
Yes, we need to see TGV out on the island
His collection must be huge
When it comes to watches, "having more than you need" is a good way to define luxury. As you mention, that means most second watches would qualify as luxury watches, regardless of the price point. However, when looking at brands that offer good value, I think the versatility of the watch should play into that evaluation. My mom wore a two-tone DJ every day for forty years. Cartier may not seem like a value brand, but if you consider the cost-per-use of say, a Tank that you can wear nearly every day for the rest of your life, it's a sound investment.
Luxury watches also last many years with minimal maintenance most of the time. They're tough as hell and can be worn 24/7.
I agree. Having a collection of reasonably expensive watches, can be seen as a luxury. Having one watch you personally love, whether £10 or £20,000, can seem like a luxury, to a person who would love that particular watch, but can't afford it.
The problem with affordables is when you end up with fifteen watches that cost $100 each (give or take) and then think damn, I could have bought one nice watch like an Oris Aquis. (Speaking from personal experience.)
A very good point, what happens when you enjoy the 15 affordable just as much?? 😂😬🙏
Thank you Matt, great point.
Best regards,
TGV
Hindsight is 20/20 how would you have known you would of enjoyed the Aquis more. I’m sure at each point in time you bought those watches you enjoyed them. It took you 15 watches to come to that realization. How do you know if saved up and bought the aquis upfront you wouldn’t buy any affordable pieces after. There had to be a reason you were drawn to those specific affordable pieces. I’m just saying from experience. I started with affordable pieces and finally bought and omega speedmaster and tudor black bay and still really enjoy my affordable pieces. Im still hunting for more watches both luxury and affordable. I guess I would say enjoy the journey of watch collecting.
@@theurbangentry I am not saying you can't enjoy them. Again, I am only speaking from personal experience. Also, I have found that my tastes change over time. I now prefer quality over quantity just as I prefer smaller watches to larger watches. I think this will happen with most people. However, if you are satisfied with cheaper watches then that is fine. This is all personal taste so there is no right or wrong answer.
@@soulboxphoto As you and I both stated, it comes down to personal preference. There is no right or wrong answer. I am simply stating what I have discovered over many years of buying and selling.
I think sometimes you have to experience different watches to find out what you want to spend a little more on. Trial and error!
TGV x Marc from LIW are my favourite parts of the month. Love the chemistry you two have and it really brightens my day.
This channel has brought me so much joy, every video is made with so much energy! Seeing you guys in the same room again is fantastic, nothing beats your chemistry!
So glad to hear, thank you Andre, always appreciated.
Best regards,
TGV
* Opens TH-cam *
* Sees a new Urban Gentry video posted 5 minutes ago *
BANG ON TIME!
Answering the last question, I think Omega is the perfect example of high-end watch which offers you great value for money with near-Rolex standards for half the price.
My second pick would be Tudor.
near rolex standards? i could argue omega has higher standards and better movements but to each their own…
Coaxial>rolex movement any day of the week
@@thejuan113. Omega do have better movement. It’s just that they release so many editions. It cheapens the Brand.
Bizarrely the Rolex wait list, the inflated prices on certain models actually cheapens the brand, many buyers see Rolex as a status symbol and consequently obtaining a Rolex elevates people into believing they’ve reached an upper echelon club!
Many other brands offer the same or better quality than Rolex, Omega springs to mind, quality just as good if not better, superior movements, certified at a higher level and Omega dares to do something different.
Rolex just isn’t different enough for the price point.
"We're buying jewelry that looks nice" made me laugh!
I literally just explained to my wife "my watches are to me like your jewelry is to you".
Love the chat. My pick for best value luxury brand would be Grand Seiko.
Surprised they didn’t even mention it once
I wear my Snowflake every day. I own several more expensive watches, but that’s my favorite. How much time does Mark spend on that not quite a beard?
@@rickjason215 Less time than you did for yours
Love hearing the German watch makers getting love at the end! I am a huge fan of Sinn, and my long time grail is an A Lange & Sohne Datograph 😀. Great video as always!
Love the Sinn 556i, but didn’t want to spend $1500…so I bought the similar Atticus Icarus.
In the $1000-$2000 category Germans really do have amazing choices. Sinn, Muhle, Hanhart, Tutima, Guinand, Nomos, plus all those traditional flieger makers. There's even a microbrand called Dekla which manufactures everything themselves (except the movement) where for a little over $1000 you can customize a flieger however you want and even put an SW300 in it.
@@RunawayYe sometimes I get more information from the comments than from the video. Thank you for the tip, I've been meaning to buy a good value German watch since I've been living here for a while now.
Glad to see you guys back at it! I love the fact that Mark throws down a Daytona but then is totally taken back by your $20 "GMT" mod. Cheers guys!
It is not only in GMT mode, the F91W can also do stop watch like Daytona, dual time (means it is tri-time with Tudor time), timer, alarm and Day-Date-Year.
I'm a bit weird, I have an inverse appreciation with my watches, I find the more affordable ones more impressive. I often stare at my £84 Orient Ray II, and wonder how it can have such flawlessly polished hands and perfectly placed indices. Though I love my 9K ceramic Sub, I'm not as impressed, more expectant.
I do avoid name first, watch second brands like Gucci, Dan Wellington, Fossil etc, but nothing else is off the table, to hell with price.
Even though this is a talk about watches. It’s actually about so much more and actually sums up the channel pretty well. Always a pleasure to watch.
Both of you work hard at articulating things that many of us feel but haven't put into words. Plus, both of you introduce us to brands, types, and niches we would not otherwise have experienced.
I will echo so many other comments as well- Marc and you are so comfortable together, and yet bring such different perspectives, and then the editing, which ties it all together, I don't think there's a better channel out there.
“Where do you see yourself in four years?” Mark absolutely nails it.
Great video and always good to see you both. Really good that you covered this as a subject
Excellently timed video! Within the past few weeks, I was deciding what my upper limit was in terms of what I was willing to spend on a watch. I arrived at $2000 and bought a Longines Evidenza. That gave me about $500 extra to play around with for extra straps as well as another more affordable watch (a vintage Victorinox...also with a rectangular case).
Your guys humility speaks volumes. True appreciation for watches of all walks. Cheers.
TGV & Marc... always some of the best watch chats on TH-cam... and better than most watch podcasts. No manufactured drama or controversies. Just a couple friends sharing in the hobby.
Another great discourse. Both of you bring valuable insight to the table and you get on so well it's a joy to watch.
Best first luxury watch ... without a doubt is ... Grand Seiko! I'm quite surprised they didn't even get a mention.
Great to have Marc on board again. I think luxury is more related to exclusively and craftsmanship than just price.
In absolute terms, a $100 watch is affordable for a very large majority of people, but so is a $100 cigar. The second is luxury, probably not the first.
Love this series! Glad to see you to make contents often
Sitting and listening to you two chat about watches is like having a drink with two old friends that I haven't seen for a bit. I thoroughly enjoyed this video. My favorite part is that neither of you is pretentious about what kind of watches you like and own. The 40 dollar watch is as interesting as the 7000 dollar watch. That kind of mindset really shows the love of the hobby. Well done, gents!
I was sad to hear this video end. I very much enjoyed the conversation and wished it could have continued on. It was nice to hear your personal accounts of various watch purchases with descriptions of how they made you feel. Please share more in future videos. Cheers!
I always feel like I’m hanging out with friends when I watch this show.
I just brought a Longines moonphase, my most expensive watch so far. Just love the reminder of the achievement, and the symbolism of how far I came in life is great to have everytime I check the time.
I love watching you and Marc together; 2 different worlds with the common love of horology. Great fun and information! (also love the lack of pretense) I find that my Oris Aquis (39.5) is the one watch I can't stop wearing. I usually have a dozen or so watches but keep going back to the Aquis. Mine is the black on black all gloss model so it works for dressing up or surfing! I think Oris has found the perfect balance of quality for price with these newer model divers and I can't imagine finding a better watch for the money!
The intro will never get old, sometimes I rewatch the intro like 3 times! So enjoyable! Great production!
The two best and knowledgeable people in watchdom. Best value for me is Long Island Watches brand. As for me any Seiko Spring Drive would be my piece de resistance.
Thank you TGV for an another interesting interview with Mark! Stay healthy and well! Nick
I thoroughly enjoyed this perspective on watch collection, I started of with an irrational obsession with luxury watches from a certain Australian channel, what’s his name again? However TGV helped me to put things into rational perspective, now it’s about the man that wears the watch and his overall appreciation of horology. Thanks Guv’nor!
No mention of Grand Seiko in value-for-money luxury? Love the vid gents!
Great video with Mark and TGV and a great explanation of Luxury vs. Affordable and how it varies from individual to individual. Keep going with these great videos.
I absolutely love you guys. Two GENTLEMEN, talking about watches, without putting on airs. Understanding and supporting the hobby by not excluding anyone based on taste or the amount of money someone can spend. Supporting inclusiveness rather than exclusiveness. Bravo.
I just bought omega seamaster 300m before I finished this video and I was happy with my purchase, but even more so now that two men of gentlemen of warch culture approve of it 👌
Loved that you mentioned the German brands in the end to include Sinn and Junghans. My picks: Glashutte Original, Zenith and Grand Seiko Spring Drive
Honestly, one of my favorite collaborations and recent uploads. A pretty honest conversation with several great points. A lot of objective points of view. A perfect way to agree and disagree.
You guys should have your own comedy show about watches, the chemistry between you both is great!
Great discussion. I like ETA movements for the ease and cost of servicing.
TGV, My mom came from very humble beginnings. She loved the opera. She would iron my dad's shirts and hankerchiefs on Sunday afternoons and listen to the Met on the Texaco Opera Radio program. My one and only opera visit was to see Tosca at the Met years ago. We sat up in the rafters where my mom said the real opera fans can be found. I was blown away! Love your channel.
Good point about starting at the top and not appreciating lower tier watches. My first nice watch was an Accutron Spaceview in 1973, then many Casio digitals through the early 80's, then a Rolex Explorer in 1986. I went from basic to top drawer passing the entire lower tier in one fell swoop. Lower priced watches eluded me for decades. Good vid. Keep at it!
Fabulous and in-depth discussion that really does reflect so much of the watch collecting chatter. Great to hear both your views.
I agree that it is price that is the primary determinate and other 'luxury' factors flow from that, like quality. However, the luxury price threshold certainly is unique to the individual collector.
The brand discussion was spot on.
The topic of how one values watches in consideration of quality/money/status/personal wealth is an interesting one. These two make a point to address this world with respect and humility while still showing appreciation for craftsmanship and design. I appreciate that.
Just wanted to go on the record and say Mark and Long Island watch customer service is top notch. Had a problem with an Islander and he quickly took care of it. Many thanks and hope future success.!
Another very enjoyable video, love watching you two guy's when you get together, always informative, watchable and most of all always fun!!
This was a great discussion, thanks for the content. Awesome editing too, always popping a photo in of what was mentioned, along with the music and subtle cuts, very underrated.
I really enjoy these videos with you and Mark. He makes an excellent point of enjoying the affordably priced watches and then “growing” one’s appreciation for the slightly more expensive ones. I feel this is a great way to understand on what one enjoys and appreciates in a watch and to start collecting watches they enjoy.
I could listen to these two all day. I liked the nod to working your way up and earning the luxury watch, a true appreciator of the timepiece would do this.
I feel the same with Casio f91w and mq24 the way you described Mission Impossible watch. What is the point of all the other watches..(?)
great interview. This is the best interview I have seen with Marc from Long Island Watch. He is likable.
For me, owning watches is already a luxury, which is why i gravitate to more affordable ones. I might jump on the luxury, for features we can't get in affordable tiers, like >50 hour power reserve indicator, etc.
Mark called him on it , what’s a do? lol good guys I bet they are pretty good friends
Hey guys! These videos with you two are great!! I really enjoy them as I’m sure many collectors do! Keep ‘em coming!!! Peace!
Such a big fan TGV. From back at the beginning. I'm from Glasgow and these late videos leave me tired for work in the morning 🤣 keep up the good content. One of the best on the platform 👌
Thank you Steve, I deeply appreciate the loyal support, it speaks volumes about your character. As for the late nights, sorry about that my friend 😬🤣🙏
Stay safe and well, onwards and upwards!
Best regards,
TGV
@@theurbangentry much obliged, Sir.
been thinking of getting an Islander SARB datejust model (but waiting for the Salmon color), it's nice to be able to see the presence of the watch on wrist in this video with Marc wearing it!
Always love watch talk with TGV and Mark. I just wish the episodes were more frequent!
I love the fact that Mark really understands the average American in regards to what’s considered luxury. Another amazing video as usual. Keep up the great work and collaboration!
Great video, very genuine & thoughtful. For myself I'd rather have several mid range watches than one or two luxury pieces. It's all about the variety & unique differences between styles and brands.
Love my 3 watch collection: seiko alpinist, omega speedmaster reduced, tudor BB58 black. Ty for getting me into watches TVG.
Marc is truly your esteemed colleague, as you have said! These are the best watch videos!
Enjoyed the whole episode Marc and TGV! Some deep discussions there… love it! Keep it up guys!
Once again, thank you for giving me the opportunity to set in on a watch discussion.
I do have hopes of finding a local watch enthusiast but until then this is great..
Great episode gents, always fun to watch (no pun intended). I thought about your comment regarding moving from a luxury watch down to an affordable watch purchase and have to say that whilst my initial foray into Swiss was with Hamilton, my “big luxury” purchase was an Omega Seamaster PO 2500 and love it, but baby the hell out of it for fear of damaging it. I pondered this and purchased another Citizen eco-drive and absolutely love it. I wear it without fear of damaging it, dont wonder about servicing costs and dont have to consider whether to keep the auto running all the time for oil circulation or let it sit in a watch box when not in use. So I consider the fun factor of a watch to be my “luxury”. Cheers
Great video. Love the collaborations.
Hope you are faring well after the storm, reports of probs in Philly after the post Ida cotillion.
Always great to watch you two gents banter about watches. Thanks for the collaboration!
Always a great pleasure seeing TGV and Marc in a video together. Best regards from "Sinn watches city" Frankfurt am Main, Germany to both of you and the global watch enthusiast community.
Tgv the bag you show on minute 14:05, what is that? Amazing! Looks 👍
Love the episode ! It is a true wisdom from Mark who share his thought on the appreciation from affordable to more luxury. Starting from the top, and you will lose the opportunity to appreciate ranges of watches
you guys together are always great and very entertaining.i always look forward to them.As for affordable vs luxury ,i always buy for me,not to impress others ,there is no joy in that.if its high price,low price, automatic,quartz, or a homage, its for me,not others.thanks for a great show
Very interesting discussion. As a Junghans enthusiast, I’m delighted you included it in your recommendations.
Hey tgv, great vid. I would like to ask your opinion on buying the Q swatch. I know that it’s pricey for a swatch but I really love the design and would like a James Bond watch for not to much dough.
Good stuff once again ! I think you two are a great combination, both goofy and funny, heavily into watches, but with different perspectives. You're both sincere and seem like down to earth people. You value the beauty in affordable and expensive watches. Always appreciate you twos insight and of course the content! Thanks, regards from Norway.
As a young junior officer in the US Coast Guard I saved up and purchased my first luxury watch new in 1986: a Rolex Explorer 1016. I transitioned from beeping Casios to Rolex in one fell swoop. It was 10 years later before I purchased my next watch of any sort: Omega Seamster 300 mid-size. I saved long and hard for the Rolex but threw the Omega purchase on a credit card. They felt different - saving for it versus instant gratification and then paying for it. Good vid. Keep at it!
Is that an ENTER THE VOID poster in the background?!?! Also great content! I just stumbled upon your channel and started to really get into watches a couple months ago. Keep up the great content 👍
Great topic and excellent discussion about what defines luxury, and about how much enjoyment can be had wearing a watch at any tier. "Happiness is wanting what you have", and it seems that creating wonderful memories wearing whatever watch is on your wrist is often what makes that timepiece truly valuable in the long run.
Wow!
2 of the best watch enthusiasts on all TH-cam right here!
Omega and Tudor- favorites.
Great video you two.
Double thumbs up for this video! 👍👍 Oris gets a mention for the first time since I've been a subscriber 🥳 I thought maybe you had some kinda beef with the brand... Love my Aquis, it's done 4 years of faultless daily service. Another terrific video guys, splendid stuff.
Awesome video! Love it when you and Marc collaborate, always great content. I got my first luxury (to me, as Marc said) watch last week, it is a Fortis Flieger Chronograph 597.10.141.2 second hand. I love it! It was a spur of the moment buy, but I've wanted a Fortis for ages now, thanks to you. I'm saving up for the Amadee-20 now! Keep up the awesome content both of you!
the chemistry of you both together is so entertaining.
“You Goatta fill those drawers”. Loved this - thank you.
It's a real pleasure to listen to your podcast. Every person who is into watches would appreciate your conclusions. Thanks!
TGV's comment about climbing the ladder is so spot on. I started with an SKX013 then got a Squale 1545, now I have a Seamaster Professional...
Purchased a Sinn 203 jubilee limited edition because of Urban Gentry and am blown away every day!.Best of both worlds. Bulit like a tank, super light all titanium and the colour absolutely matches everything. Keeps amazing time, is a chrono and a diver to 300m.. an affordable cross between a Daytona and a Submariner, but discreet and basically no one has one. There is also an Ar dehumidifying capsule as a bonus to guarantee watch is always dry. What a joy to wear everyday.. I can't thank you enough!
I very much enjoyed this conversation based around watches rather than regarding specific watches. This aspect of watches is interesting, including an area loosely covered, Veblen goods.
Great vid Chaps.
Completely agree that " Luxury" purchases are completely those which one can afford.
My budget is around 5K so the brands you mentioned are perfect.
My own personal choice is GS.
Take care,
Lance.
Great video guys and loved the discussion!!
TVG- have you seen an opera in Verona?
Agree Omega and Oris for a first luxury watch, Oris has come such a long way over the last few years and are up there with the rest
A good friend bought a new Tag with a quartz movement that cost £1000, he wished he never bought it when I showed him what he could have bought for the same price
Love the show I so look forward to these chilled discussions, thanks for letting us be part of it 👍
Your videos together are great 👍
Both very knowledgable and say it as it is with added humour
I love this because i'm subscribed to both channels..and there is nothing but respect between you two...no hate whatsoever
The "Dream Team" of watch reviewers. Love the video. I'm no where near you guy's level of collector but as i slowly increase i really appreciate each upgrade i make. Thanks for all you do
Great video guys. Thanks. I hope to get my first "luxury" watch at the end of the year. You mentioned it right at the end of the video. A Hanhart MKI. It's different, well made and I love it... I agree: German watches are quality build and some are certainly luxury (Glashütte, Lange&Sohne...). I just got in this hobby and as a mechanical engineer, I build and modded some watches. It gives me a great feeling to wear these. I know I'll get the same feeling with the Hanhart. Manybe in the future an Omega, but where does it end? Will a Royal Oak give me even more pleassure in horology when owning one? Not at the moment for me...