Our Guilty Pleasures - 6 Watches We Love That Most Hate - Hublot, Invicta, Rolex Homages & More
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- Today I'm joined by Marc Frankel of Long Island Watch for a new #watchtalk episode all about watches we like that are often loathed by other people. In this video we share 3 watch picks each, analyze why they're so divisive, why we like them, and why others don't. From the underappreciated, less flashy side of Hublot, and the understated, super dressy Patek Ellipse that's making a comeback on Keanu Reeve's wrist, to an Invicta Batman themed Joker watch inspired by a high-end Konstantin Chaykin watch of the same name, and the ins and outs of the homage watch industry, we cover a lot. Join us for another laidback, essential watch talk episode that might just blow your miiiiind! And please add a comment below to let us know which watches you absolutely love, but most people hate, and why.
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The watch community often makes people who buy homage watches feel less - and feel guilty. Reviewers are mainly the culprits. So big kudos to you both for this - a refreshing inclusive vibe for the watch enthusiast world - cheers guys.
A great point, even if it is sadly true. But feat not, unless it's a fake watch, ALL enthusiasts are always welcome here.
I hate when others make people feel less that, utterly classless. We all love watches! I only wish the world ws a more compassionate place. Onwards and upwards regardlessly!
Best,
T.
I use to watch the time teller but his constant bashing of certain brands and spoiled child like behavior would give me a headache.
@@theurbangentry I agree ... I see so many that even bash on brands like Invicta (just an example) ... now there are many things I do not like about Invicta and that do not make it a watch for me (items for another discussion), however two things I do applaud is 1) their innovative (some may say outlandish - a matter of personal taste) designs and sizing that make them stand out and 2) the enthusiasm and excitement that their collectors bring.
It is this excitement and enthusiasm that should be applauded and encouraged.
I too in my mid-sized 52 watch collection have homages which I greatly enjoy along with my Swiss, Japanese and German watches and I also cringe at the too often snobbery and dare I say meanness some express at watches and their owners that are not to their taste or aesthetic.
My pet peeve I guess ... those that deem themselves better than others and treat other people rudely and accordingly.
I just want to quote Ozymandias by Shelley to them ... and smile knowingly.
Homages are great when a piece is either outrageously expensive, not available, or both.
@@theurbangentryI agree entirely with you TGV!! If the world was more compassionate, kind, and understanding we would be in a much healthier and better place today in our society!!!
I absolutely love the podcast-style series with Marc, TGV. You both compliment each other so well in the sense you prioritize different things in watch design but share your opinions in good faith. It’s just fun to hear you both chat!
Thank you so much for sharing that, it would not be possible without your support!
O&U!
Best regards,
TGV
I love all your content TGV, but the episodes with you and Marc are my absolute favorite. It’s some of the best watch content on the internet. Thank you for sharing.
🙏🙏🙏 You made my day Andrew, thank you my friend.
O&U!
Best regards,
TGV
Best guilty pleasure in the market right now is Pagani Design PD-1701 V3 "Speedmaster" Chronograph homage with Seiko VK63 Meca-quartz movement, ceramic bezel, sapphire crystal, 10bar water resistance, and very affordable price tag... Less than $100
Recovering at home from the worst cold and new episode from my favorite Two Amigos. Thank you!
Manuka honey will clear that up
Same here, had a sore throat yesterday as well but it seemed to have mostly cleared up
I always used to think the “watch community” had a large barrier to entry, costing lots of money to even buy one “enthousiast” watch. But your channel has made me a watch enthousiast feeling part of a loving community, while my only watch is a Casio A-158 with beige watch face that I absolutely LOVE! Your channel has become one of my absolute lifelines to an easier time, when the world was still moving in a positive direction, otherwise known as the 90s.
At least the worldwide poverty rate went down considerably in the last 25 years.
🤦♂️, sure it has ,
@@carrerau7138 yeah, especially in China (by communist party bookkeeping 🤣)
Yea, definitely smudging the numbers.. Can't be because of thier vast industry growth.
I wear everything from 34 to 44. I had a Timex Camper that I think was a 34 or 35 that I used in Iraq on two deployments and it was great! Light weight and very rugged. It was perfect and never got caught on anything and would go under my uniform very easily. I still wear a small watch weekly. Also that Rangemaster you guys did is amazing at least it looks amazing, I don’t have one yet but I do plan on getting one. Great video!
I got a Hublot Big Bang Chrono many years ago. It’s still there, I almost sold it under the community pressure, but I am glad I didn’t. I rarely wear it, but it is still my “party watch”.
P.S. Normal (non watch obsessed) people love them.
I could watch you two together all day long. Very entertaining and interesting.
A great point was made here when mentioning the smart watch with a suit. I was definitely guilty of this, and it took seeing myself in photos to realize how out of place it looked. That being said, I found an old Timex dress watch, and after that I added two Invicta watches and most recently an Orient Bambino. I will keep an actual watch on my wrist moving forward.
I thought this funny, I can’t stand smart watches. But to wear one with a suit you might as well get you like a sponge Bob square pants back pack and wear it around with a suit. 😆 that would be so funny to see
I used to drive passed Travolta's house every day taking my daughter to riding lessons (he's in the middle of horse country). It was always fun to look over and see the large tail fin sticking up next to the house through the trees and we would say "Yep, John's home"
I’m so glad you brought up Steinhart. I own an Ocean by 1 GMT and absolutely love it but there are always people out there who accuse me of wearing a fake Rolex, which is not the point of the watch
I have the "starbucks" Ocean one 39, which Steinhart actually released before Rolex in that colorway. I'm arguing the case for reciprocal homage. ;)
Don't worry about the saps that criticize you. Even the most expensive watches had inspiration from another brand. 🤙
You guys are a great duo and I enjoy this format a lot!
My major problem with Hublot is there was nothing about them that justified the amount of money they were asking for it.
Well said, and so true, but yet, I still want one! 😅😅😅
Thank you my friend, great comment.
Best regards,
TGV
They definitely need to drop prices by at least 40%. There's nothing in the quality of their products that suggests added value as opposed to competitors. An MR-G G-Shock is still better value, with the hand hammered and hand brushed elements they've got, along with their immortal durability.
Can you put a price on design? Very subjective
@@m.e.p.r You absolutely can. Hublot doesn't develop their own movements, yet prices their products on the level of competitors' goods which have those R&D costs built in. Imagine paying Porsche prices for a Volkswagen. It doesn't matter if you absolutely love Volkswagen - you aren't getting your money's worth.
Way over priced
I love these videos. It will be a really sad day if/when these stop, I really hope you guys keep this going for many years to come. They're so much fun!
I love small watches especially vintage watches, small watch is the wrong thing to say really because the dial on a 34mm dress watch is actually bigger than a dial on a sub
Great show as always ❤
Glad you gave a nod to Moser at the end. Most underrated haute watch this side of JLC.
I love these talks. You’re the perfect watch duo imo.
And congrats to Marc for the titanium Islander Sand Points. I’ve ordered mine.
I just wore my Invicta Joker yesterday! I even posted it on WatchUSeek's WRUW. I love it precisely because it's absurd!
I always love seeing you and Mark collab on the channel.
My guilty pleasure is my Movado Museum.
I know the company is not what it used to be. I know it is quartz. I also know that when I was a teenager walking about the mall I loved seeing it in display windows.
I bought it for the reason I bought my Mondain. The dial, the art, and the history of the design. It is a wonderful expression of minimalism with heavy influence from Bauhaus. The dot representing the sun at high noon is art and Horwitt's vision is recognized by MoMA.
I enjoy my guilty pleasure and did pay less than $200 in the grey.
Anything with Marc and TGV is the best watch stuff on TH-cam by far.
I have an 8 inch wrist, I bench over 300lbs and wear a 34mm rolex oyster perpetual from the 50s. And I think it looks smashing.
Love this format. It's like being in the same room with you guys. I'm with you on the smaller size vintage dress watch. I have a 1960 Smiths with a champagne dial -- it's a minter (made here in Blighty) -- and although I wear it occasionally it would be kind of neat if it became fashionable again.
Keep wearing it. The old adage, "Classic is timeless!"
Love these colab episodes of TGV and Mark, you guys have great chemistry and are so knowledgeable, but in different areas of the hobby and compliment each other well.
Not sure if this qualifies, but I love skeleton watches, which I know a lot of people dislike. I love the intricacies of the mechanical movement so much that I want to see it all the time. Same philosophy as the Meistersinger; it makes reading the time slightly more difficult, but in exchange you get a unique time piece that captures my attention and makes me smile.
Skeleton watches…. 🤮
@@carrerau7138 thank you for proving my point
Another Marc x TGV episode! Rejoice! Absolutely love this series and its one of my favourites, so I hope this continues long in the future TGV. Keep up the good work!
I love my SKX, but the Islander SKX homages are beautiful, and frankly better than the originals in almost every way.
My guilty pleasure is a TGV-aquired one: Putting nearly everything on a NATO strap immediately. My Speedy is the only watch I kept on the original bracelet for longer, mostly because of how good the bracelet is compared to the entry-level metal bands the likes of Seiko and Orient.
🤣🤣🤣👏👏👏 Thank you Kluas, great comment.
Best regards,
TGV
Hey Marc, I appreciate your F/A-18 E/F work. I was at Pax River in the 1990s sitting in one in their anechoic chamber for EMC tests. My wife took the official picture of it right as it was being qualified for catapult launches there. Cool stuff!
Interesting to note that Giorgetto Giugiaro, my all time Automotive design icon was wearing a Hublot, I often wondered what brand it was way back when! Giugiaro is probably the most influential designer in the Automotive design industry... From his early stage of setting up ITALDESIGN in 1968 with his engineering comrade at the time, Aldo Mantovani... The connection between the Automotive and the Watch has more in common than we know.
Excellent comment, thank you for sharing that. I'm so glad I brought it up.
Best regards,
TGV
"Designed to slip (or was it "slide") under the cuff." I've had my dress shirts built for years with my watch size built into the left cuff (wrist is 175 mm). Now I also have my guy enlarge the right cuff to accommodate my Fitbit. It's a small detail, but well worth it. Good vid. Keep at it.
Last time I commented, I was sitting in the hospital waiting for my son to arrive. Today, same deal. We are waiting for our daughter, catching up on Gentry.
Cheers
Yes! Agree on the smaller vintage dress watches! 32 mm Bulova Sea King! I have a Wittnauer tank with an elegant waffle dial that's like 28 or 30mm wide! Yes, bring back the elegant, masculine watch!
Watching TGV and Marc together makes me so happy! Keep up the great work!
This is an awesome topic! Can't wait to finish watching the video this evening 🥂
Thank you Alex 🙏🙏🙏😎
I hope you are well my friend,
Best regards,
TGV
Another fantastic video!! Well, for me, it has to be my Invicta 9937! I love that watch. It was my only watch for about 13 years before I started watching your channel; boy I'm glad that I did!! You actually got me into to Steinhart and Seiko. Cheers to you and Marc.
@24:42 That watch immediately reminded me of my cassette tape deck, you the tape counter thingy. Brilliant to make watch using that.
I saw, I clicked!
I believe Baume & Mercier were the first to create a watch using the golden ratio. It’s a pretty cool idea for sure. I love that Patek Elipse.
TGV and Marc #watchtalk !!! I clicked as soon as I got the notification 🎉😁
🙌🙌🙌 Thank you Richie, enjoy and chin chin 😎🥂
Best regards,
TGV
The deadly duo returns. These TGV and Mark shows are personally my guilty pleasure.
Great episode. I think the Classic Fusion is just a year or two out from a real reckoning in the broader watch world! Your note about homages as a category has me, again, staring at sub homages and nato's, daydreaming a Dr. No situation under $5k.
Great idea for an episode, thank you. Always a good time when the two of you get together!
Browsing for a video to watch with my Australia Day morning coffee! Great timing.
My Parents have the Day of the Week clock on the wall in their kitchen. Funny thing, it's the most useful thing for telling time when you are retired. It's more important to know it's tuesday when things are more about "What do we want to do today".
I will replace my invicta pro diver sooner or later with a tudor, but i am really happy with all the years i spent with my invicta. It never felt like an homage on the wrist, and got complimented on the watch many times. Funny most people thought it was a Breitling. It keeps great accuracy, has been through diving, skiing.... And hasnt got a single scratch!!(excluding bracelet) it got me in love with mechanical watches again. Will hand it to my cousin hopefully will get him into mechanical watches as well
My guilty pleasure: watching TGV and Marc!
I recently bought a Christopher Ward Sandhurst 1, which is a homage to the venerable Smiths W10. I absolutely love it and wear it a lot. It is officially approved by the British Department of Defense and has the British Army Coat of Arms and the W10 model designation on its back. IMO this is a great example of a successful and tasteful homage watch because it keeps the traditional design, acknowledges the original model and is approved by the authorities. On the top of that it is COSC certified and keeps time to +1 sec. per day and is built with an exceptional quality. If anyone disagrees I respect that but a homage watch like that brings a tremendous value to us the watch enthusiasts and access to history because the original is not in production any longer.
My most down bored comments on Reddit are the ones where I talk about how awesome my invicta pro diver moon phase is.
Hallo TGV ! Your video are so proffesionel that I compare it with Attenborough in the old days when he talked ! At that time we only had one channel in Denmark ha ha ha 😆 ! Good that you often are together with Marc from Long Island Watches - you two are a very good team !!!
It’s finally here)! Thanks Guys, for letting me feel like I was the part of this interesting conversation!👍✊️🤝
No issue with ali customer support with the more well-known brands on there - Baltany shipped me a sterile D12 watch when I ordered the branded one, they gave me a hefty discount on buying the one I wanted and told me to keep the sterile one. I was very happy as I was able to sell the sterile one as nearly-new, and so ended up with the watch I wanted in the first place, at about 75% of the price. Love it, too.
You guys are going to make me wear my Omega Deville again...
Loved Hugo's vocal cameo appearance discussing tux + Submariner!
TGV- you should surprise Marc with a hoodie with a print of his face while saying “BLOWS MY MIND!!!”☝🏻
It's great to hear someone appreciate homage watches and affordable watches for what they are, and what some of them are is quite nice. I have a modest collection ranging from department-store Casios to a few close-to-high-end pieces, but the two I reach for most often are a Timex Expedition field watch, and a San Martin BB58 homage.
Disclaimer: I own a smart watch (a Fitbit Sense, that tracks steps and heart rate), but I wear it on an elastic strap around my ankle where nobody can see it. Sure, if I'm wearing shorts in the summer and my socks are too short, it looks like I'm wearing a house-arrest monitor, but better that than to be thought of as a smartwatch person. A man has to have SOME standards, after all.
TGV, I brought a Bulova super seville automatic last year and i love it, it may be a homage but wearing it i get a wonderful experience, date of manufacture 1987, all the best for 2023 my friend.
Solid takes gentlemen. I agree with all of them. I especially agree with the idea that watches are moving towards smaller as the trend. I myself have purchased 2 watches in the past few months, one is larger, that said it's a tool watch diver so it makes sense it'd be larger for purpose, that said the other is a 1981 citizen eagle 7 basically an homage to a rolex day date 36mm fluted bezel gold plated with a jubilee bracelet. Thing is gorgeous and I find the same with going out that I want to get dressed up, I find if I'm going out for dinner or even sometimes just for the office (even though I work in something where no customers see me) it can still make me feel good to throw on a nice shirt, some nice jeans or chinos and a good mechanical watch either my Presage blue moon or the Citizen I spoke of earlier. Something about it puts me in a head space of feeling like a professional
I also like the older Hublot MDM they had a modern feel, I remember the ads series "a new adventure in time" from the 1980's I was very impressed by the design, they felt modern and expensive as a kid the full gold case seemed like unobtainium, it had that 1980's cheesy modern luxe feel, like the smoked glass tables with gold trims, the watches aged better than the coffee tables...
Favorite duo is back at it again!
G-Shock 5500 series is my favorite “square”. I never see them talked about often and I wish they were more popular in the west.
Excellent opinions, love the format, it would be great if TGV could talk uninterrupted as I hang on your words, but the bromance and ‘ending sentences’ is endearing from Marc and he’s hugely knowledgeable and enjoy his explanations.
Very much enjoy the casual discussion format. It's relaxed, entertaining and informative.
The Orfina Porsche Design that Maverick wears is actually the original version with a Valjoux 7750 movement, not the Lemania 5100. If you look at closeups of it during certain scenes, you can see the 30 min sub dial in the 12 o'clock position. When Tom Cruise was preparing for the first Top Gun, he wanted to wear a watch that was popular with military pilots at the time and of course the OPD and its variants were being issued to militaries around the world so he chose that. Incidentally, the watch he wears in Top Gun: Maverick is the exact same one he had in 1986.
Tom Cruise had the Valjoux 7750 in his Orfina PD another great Porsche design is the Eterna PD and the Heuer Pasadena PD. I definitely need to add a PD eventually. Great video pizan 🇮🇹
My wife recently gifted me a vast Invicta pilot's watch with a 5.0cm dial (I wouldn't say 50 mm when you're above this number). I was surprised at the weight and thickness. However, I decided to keep it and wear it. It looks good on my 7 1/2-inch wrist. It's my guilty pleasure. She said something like "I heard you were looking for a pilot's watch (in my mind it was a Laco, but she isn't into watches) and since you're a big guy (I'm not that big but it's clear to her that I am) you need a watch for your size (when I wear my 38mm watches she just shakes her head)."
You guys keep knocking it out of the park! This video is essentially an overview of the watch world in general. I gave it a like and I shared it!
Thank you Frank, so happy to hear that! 😎🙏
Best regards,
TGV
I’ll defend Pagani a bit here. Now I can’t speak to customer care, because I have had no issue with the 2 watches I’ve bought of theirs, iff AliExpress, the homage of the Explorer II Polar, and the Paul Newman Daytona. But I was impressed with they way they seem to have taken the criticism of reviewers and tweaked their product. For example, the big critics for the the Explorer II, were the lack of a screw down crown, the GMT hand was wrong, stopping short and not having the little extender to both make it easier to read and more accurate to the Rolex, and the cyclops was always off center. All three of those came up in every review I watched. Pagani released a version 3 and fixed all those complaints. And that really impressed me. That is what made me final pull the trigger and order it. I had been wary, not having used AliExpress before and not really trusting it. But the watch came quickly, I think it was in a NJ warehouse, so not all the way from China.
I really enjoy your conversations and opinions as always 👍
I own 3 Invicta watches(8932A,32503 and 89270) and like all 3 of them---they're great watches with proven movements. For Mark, I love the Squale Corso Italiano--would love to get one one day.
I also like the original Hublot quite a lot, plus I like what the brand does with materials and finishes. To scratch that itch of the classic Hublot case, I just bought the Hublot Service Watch off eBay and I love it.
Really good to see you and Marc together again, TGV! Of the watches that I have that seem to get the least love but that I adore would be hands down my LeJour Lemans. It is absolutely phenomenal, but almost no one knows what it is or its significance. Valjoux7750 movement, specs that will blow your mind for a auto chrono, probably the best value in an automatic chronograph available. Yet almost no one knows what it is or likes it. If it said Tudor or Rolex people would be losing their mind over it, but even though it has the same movement as the Big Block with even better specs.....crickets. Fine with me....makes it even more unique and even more special!
Awesome to see you both doing well. Onward and upward!!!
I love many aliexpress options and I don’t care what anyone thinks. I always at least look there when I am looking for a specific kind of watch, I know I may find a well specced and well finished watch for my money.
Talking about that rolling clock ⏰️ reminds me of taking my late Mother's clock apart to see how it worked when I was about 11 years old.
Needless to say my mom wasn't too happy, and I almost never saw adulthood.🤣😆😂😅
Absolutely great video again. I really enjoy you both discussing watches together as they are so informative and fun to watch. I had a discussion with my granddaughter only a couple of weeks ago as she was thinking of buying another smart watch. I said to her that they were a useful tool watch but they would have no market value if she wanted to sell one on and that technology changes all the time and the watch she may buy will be out of date in a few months when something better may come out as they do with mobile smart phones for instance. She previously had a smart watch but it failed on her after six months of use. She has now gone back to wearing a Pulsar solar watch I gifted to her a couple of years ago for Christmas. She loves it.
Thanks again TGV and Marc and I look forward to your next video together.
The only homage watch I own is the Invicta vintage Pro Diver 1953.
Because it is inspired by the first Submariner, most people don’t even recognize it as a Rolex homage. Because this model didn’t have mercedes hands or crown guards yet.
Thank you TGV and Mark so much for such a wonderful discussion!! I really enjoyed your humor and bringing light on this topic!! I personally have recently bought somewhat of a homage watch that has a wonderful dial. This watch is the Orient Sun and Moon v3 in white dial/stainless case. I love the Roman numeral dial and the sun and moon complication on it. Although it is a very large watch at 43.5mm, roughly 13mm thick the dial is outstanding and from a distance reminds me of a complicated Breguet watch by design. Stay healthy and well as always!
If you have time, will you please let me know what you think of Orient Sun and Moon v3?
Ps. I love the sword in the background, is it a mock sword or is it a true fighting sword?
Your watch enthusiast, (Nicholas L) ⏱⏱⏱🦖🦖🦖🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
19:51 when your inner Hugo comes out 🤣
I enjoy these collaborations between you two 😊
I primarily wear Swiss watches but when. I'm at work or I'm working out my smart watch helps me way more then my omega the smart watch is your ally . My tag e4 has helped me so much in tracking my health and workouts .
I love my Hublot Classic titanium. Yes it's a basic Sellita movement (tweaked as HUB1110) but it works well, looks great and can be serviced anywhere - unlike Rolex, JLC etc
Good call on smaller dress watches. 34 is a great size for a mens dress watch - btw that's what the original Swatch Gent watches are so it was still popular in 80s 90s and not just mid century. Great video as always
I hope so. I'm bored of divers and most sports watches. I'm planning on picking up a 28mm Seiko tank. Waiting on a full grain homemade leather strap I bought from a guy that makes them in the the UK for my Seiko SNKL23. Also maybe a moonphase complication. Orient has some nice models. Great show!
great video, regarding Ali Express homages, San Martin offers a much better quality and customer service than a lot of others!
Love my 1940-60’s 14k gold square case pieces from Omega, Zenith & Hamilton. Not sure why I read much rejection of this case shape. They don’t take a ding well but I’m ez on my vintage one’s . .
LOVE the show boys keep it up!
In LA la Land, R Gosling wears a tiny vintage Omega (which was standard size in heyday), and even outside film he wears that 33/34 mm look
A nice, rational, calm discussion of watches on the internet. I... don't know what say.
I like how you gave Invicta some love.. I have that Joker and 5 other Jokers lol.. I like that you can get a different style watch for a couple hundred or less.. thank you sir.. stay blessed 👍
I love seeing The Urban Gentry pop up in my YT notifications. I know I am in for a banger of a video. Oh and having Marc here is a huge plus! I just got my Brookville Robin's Egg dial today and it is such a nice watch!
I love my Pagani Design Hulk. I bought it out of pure curiosity and even though its big and too blingy and the strap broke within months it's a cracking automatically that looks great on a nato.
I’m a simple guy. I see a video of TGV and Marc, I click, I’m happy. 😅
Great content. I actually did take a second look at that joker and go…. Yeah it is cool. Maybe for a watchbox instead of a wrist but still cool. Marc, thanks for the Islander “rip offs” Sarcasm there…. They’re not rip offs at all ;) I’m no lawyer either but you took a well recognized case shape and added perfection to the movement, dial, bezel and bracelet. And you did it for less Than the ridiculous secondary market is now charging for the SKX. If anything, more people should thank you because you made something that was inaccessible into something that is accessible (AND BETTER COMPONENTS!!!!). Always thankful for your product!
I'm like Marc and love the engineering part. A favourite watch of mine tells time in binary - rows of little yellow LEDs that light up when the button is pushed and you must read the hours and minutes in binary.
But I'm an IT nerd and I can read binary 🙂
30:28 Hard question...
Great show!
9:15 not gonna lie, I would be more than happy to have an Hublot in my collection. I do love the history and the porthole design.
Always enjoy your videos together and never miss one. Keep it up guys!
Love the simple classic fusion Hublots. Expensive but they look very sharp and catch the eye on the wrist.
Great episode 👌 I was thinking as we approached the end of the episode we weren’t going to get a ‘it blows my miiiinnnndddd’ I’m glad we did 😂😂😂👍
Awesome video. So many good watches. Don't let the comment section hold you down and review that Hublot if you get the chance.
Noooo! Your Panerai is amazing and certainly not oversized. My biggest watch is a 52mm SteelDive 1978 Emperor Tuna 🙂
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You're right, I met Travolta a little over a year ago at which time he had just made his first flight after buying a 747.