Does the World Fall Apart Without Religion? | Randy - Marshaltown, IA | Atheist Experience 21.29
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- The Atheist Experience episode 21.29 for July 23, 2017 with Matt Dillahunty and Tracie Harris.
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Tax the churches and use the money for Medicare for All.
Coy Hampton A fine idea, but can't be done in America as the population is still too ignorant. No politician with an idea like this could ever hope to win.
Even Trump decided to pretend he was a stupid Christian and it worked like a charm.
Lmao trump did totally do that but pence actually thinks the Big Bang is a lie
We are still backwards here in Australia but Medicare is great.. I am a poor horticulturalist and without Medicare my wife and I would have been ruined with medical expenses. From birth care to depression and even some dental care.. I wish Americans had the same access..
I wish we did, too, but unfortunately there's a prevalent fear among at least half of the population that someone, somewhere is going to get something for free.
Are churches pay taxes in US? In Russia don't.
I got over opioid addiction all on my own, no god required.
Congrats, Nubyrc! Gfy, David.
David Anewman Congrats to Nubyrc, Davey go fuck yourself after you can't prove hell !
@David Anewman prove hell, you ignorant fool, look the devil's behind you.
Paul Brown I think it was ment sarcastically
Well done!!
Suggested banner at your next secular charity event:
*"Atheist - Doing god's work, because god won't... Or can't."*
LOL!
MadNotAngry God has already done his part you stupid oof.
Good ideal.
*MadNotAngry* As Tracy has pointed out it's the same MO as Santa ; the parents put the presents under the tree because Santa is existentially challenged.
Douglas I don't care what people say,. it's Jesus Christ all the way.
As a long term sufferer of mental illness (depression & anxiety) there is no way on earth I would go to a church for help or support.
Same they caused my trauma
@@starlaminde8436 For clarification I didn’t say they caused me trauma. I tried going to church for support , I discovered the hard way how utterly useless they are. Churches and their congregations are nothing more than social clubs for people of a common belief in a particular god.
My depression & anxiety were caused by other means.
@@chrispbacon3042 yeah, they just tell you to pray and probably donate some money, and everything will be just fine.
Agreed
The mentally ill are the religious people,
Joel Osteen closing his mega church leaving his congregation to drown is everything you need to know here.
No worries, another charlatan will come to claim the primed sheep! Cheers
Ian P
I think you missed the point. The reference, I believe was to the hurricane and flooding. No Way, Joel Osteen walked away from that cash cow while there was still any gold to be mined!
He not only walked away, he refused to save peoples' lives, even though it wouldn't have cost him a dime.
@@larsgottlieb didn't he refuse to open his church as a shelter or something to help ppl displaced by the hurricane?
Exactly.
My life only improved when I got out of religion. Go figure.
You want a meal, come my child, I can provide. But first, let me preach my beliefs to you. :-/
Or how about, "We'll help you feed your starving children in Africa, but if you use contraception you can starve. Praise god!"
And IF you get money, give it to me ...................
I couldn't believe that missionaries went to Africa and gave out flash lights then made them go to sermons to get batteries
I am old and poor and I go through this every night. I disagreed with their sermon once by asking a question and I had to Dumpster dive for a week before they would feed me again and then asked me if I learned my lesson. Yes I did XTIANS are Hypocrites and I ate better from the Dumpster. I am free and only go there now to preach atheism. Boy are they Pissed because they cannot get me arrested. FREE SPEECH. I GOT A REALLY NICE ATHEIST LAWYER TO PUT A STOP ORDER ON THEM SO I CAN PREACH BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THEY DO. WAITING FOR THE VIOLENCE THREAT AND THEN THEY WILL KNOW WHAT THE WRATH OF GAWD REALLY MEANS.
I get the same thing from people trying to sell me timeshares in Florida
The Pope sits on a gilded throne... If that's not wealthy, then I don't know what is.
Actually its interesting that catholics are more progressive than most other christians.
In the 1950 encyclical Humani generis, Pope Pius XII confirmed that there is no intrinsic conflict between Christianity and the theory of evolution, provided that Christians believe that God created all things and that the individual soul is a direct creation by God and not the product of purely material forces.[1] Today, the Church supports theistic evolution(ism), also known as evolutionary creation,[2] although Catholics are free not to believe in any part of evolutionary theory.
The catholic church even allows for the 13.8 Billion year old universe. I hate defending my old church, but its not the worst of the churches, relativism but more progressive than it once was and in comparison to some other christians to be sure.
I bet you he even defecates over a golden (pure) bog...
@@thorinbane Yeah, but it took a while to get there after centuries of murdering and torturing anyone who disagreed with their unscientific view of the universe and didn't acknowledge that Galileo was right until 1992 - and they *still* haven't apologised for murdering Giordano Bruno.
Like I mentioned, the pope acknowledged the proper age of the universe.
" Orthodox churches and the various American Evangelical churches are the only major Christian denominations less conservative than Catholicism. " Thats like 2/5ths of Muricans. How about Mormons? Maybe Amish or Mennonite? Baptist-can't dance or drink. Add those up and its a few more percentages.
Better question, what christian churches are less conservative than catholics. Its a pretty small list that starts at United. Anglican are Catholics that can divorce...So I guess they are "less conservative" but not by much. Pentacostals ? LOL nope.
So its pretty sad that in the USA Catholics are on the progressive side of the spectrum. Pretty crazy.
Much of the rest of the world is a lot less religious. Buddhist isn't really a religion and hindu believe in a pantheon, europe is way down and a lot more secular. How many religious people are there in china? This show is mainly focused towards Anglo countries, so that is my jumping off point. Catholic church is still stick in the dark ages in some regards, but some popes have been a lot more progressive than others. Admitting the universe isn't 6,000 year old, like many people in the states believe, is pretty huge.
He needs a good vantage point to keep track of his pedophile clergy and a view of the best hiding places for them...
Tracie and Matt together are so good
bill Fish
True that!
Agreed, they're probably the two most effective TAE hosts
My favorite team!
I like JP too !
I ship it
i still to this day dont know why people are against sexual content ... if your child sees something sexual on TV or the internet ... i recommend you educate the child so it knows about sexual things and does not grow up confused and lacking confidence
Because people don't want their children engaging in sexual conduct. Once they see it, they'll become curious. Education will only help to minimize the damage.
@@AK33M literally the point of what i said
at least you understand the point even though you did not see the same point in my comment
i never said for children to engage in sexual conduct i said if they see it on TV or elsewhere
i would rather educate them so they are stable than pretend they should not be aware of how their bodies work and the reality of other peoples bodies
And yet so many people who get all worked up about naked bodies and sex have no issue with their children seeing people blowing each other away and other forms of violent content. Given a binary choice I'd rather have my child (voluntarily) engaging in sexual conduct than shooting up people at school.
@@MarkovianMan violent media doesn't cause murderous behavior. I've played violent games, etc since I can remember and I have difficulty killing rodents and pests. It is an interesting double standard though
You are forgetting, what God wants is dumb pregnant teenagers having dumb scared kids who intern will become dumb pregnant teenagers because that is preferred than having a awkward conversation with your own child. God apparently built us with urges that we need to spend our entire lives suppressing or else we burn, because he’s nice like that
The next stage of human development and the exploration of space is dependent on humanity growing out of religion.
Children grow out of believing in Santa Clause in order to become responsible adults.
Responsible adults are people who take responsibility for their own actions, and religion says they don't have to, and that is more of a hindrance the a way of growing.
Nubyrc islam isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
@@meowcat9636 Certainly not travelling into space. Maybe another 100 or so years, if at all.
Randy, dear, I was the victim of a two-parent household. Here's what I learned: Mentally healthy people do NOT stay with mentally damaged people.
Let me repeat that: One mentally healthy parent will not remain with a partner who is mentally deranged.
But TWO parents with emotional issues often remain a couple and can do terrible damage to their children
My mother was a high-functioning autistic. My father was an abusive bully. They remained married for 50 years and were living hell to be around. Mother was convinced "God" wanted her to stay with her husband. Dad dearly loved tormenting her.
I really hope you're a POE and not serious about religion being a positive influence in people's lives. Because I guarantee there's NOTHING positive about being forced to remain in an unhappy, dysfunctional relationship! No child benefits from growing up around the two most important people in his or her life who loathe each other.
There are 330,000 houses of worship in America. I doubt the caller worked with 1% of them.
He must have been BUSY ....................
That is a SAD statistic
Yes very sad, but MONEY for the religiolus ! ...............@@jaguarfacedman1365
@@ralfhaggstrom9862 I live in the bible belt and see a churches everywhere but I never would have thought...
I don`t know what you think, but all religions have gods that are "all powerful" EXCEPT they ALL NEED YOUR MONEY, to save you ! .................... from what ? .................@@jaguarfacedman1365
Matt was brilliantly and calmly brutal. Loved the responses to this caller. More more more please.
In 2009, I convinced my “god fearing christian” family members to use the money we would’ve used to give each other gifts at Christmas to help a poor family provide gifts for their kids. While they agreed to do it, they didn’t “enjoy” Christmas Day as much and wouldn’t agree to do it again the following year. I told them that I would give to the needy every year and only give gifts to the children in our family who were under 18. I also told them that if they wanted to do something different then that’s their right but don’t expect me to participate. You wouldn’t believe the number of private calls and text messages I was bombarded with in the following weeks. So, when I brought the subject up the next time we were together they ALL tried to deny that any of that happened and that I was lying. Fortunately, I saved the text messages I was asked by all of them to delete and you should’ve seen their faces when I started reading them out loud, giving credit to the person who sent each one to me. They, of course, denied all of it or tried to explain it away but I held firm and told them they either “cut the shit”, ie stop trying to intimidate me privately because the next time I get a message like that it’s going on Facebook and I’ll tag your sorry ass in the post too! Fucking assholes!
You, dude, are a fucking legend! If I were wearing my hat, I'd take it off to you.
Wolf NZ Outdoors I appreciate that. 🎩
MusicMadMaurice That’s a good way to handle it. Hell, I thought that pooling our resources and really making a difference for some kids who are less fortunate than us would’ve made all my “Christian” family members happy but all it did was expose their hypocrisy. I don’t regret it one bit though. I’d much rather know the truth every time. I’m a musician and I’m working on a concept album that addresses truth and reality versus beliefs, superstition and the supernatural. I’m sure it’ll ruffle some feathers among the religious people I know when it’s released. Thanks for your positive remarks! 🤘🏻
I love this! Good job, dude.
There’s a TH-camr named Charlotte Dobre who shares a lot of petty revenge stories and reacts to them you should definitely submit your stories and texts to her and she might include them in one of her videos. Obviously she blurs the names out but your story is definitely right up her alley
When I am ill, I don't go to the local church for help, I go to my doctor.
Even the Pope has a doctor !
Correlation is not causation.
The number of pirates has decreased since the 1800s, but global warming has had an effect. Does that mean pirates stopped global warming from happening?
But sometimes corelation corelates with causation.
The Catholic church owns masses of real estate in the northeast part of the US alone. Valuable, highly taxable land, they get to hold free and then sell when they want for profit.
The few yrs I was into the Christian church were the darkest years of my life!! It fucked me up so bad, killed my self worth, my self esteem. Made me suicidal. I dont have enough time to write the horror and pain the church caused me. It took me years to rebuild myself and deprogram the mental anguish and brainwashing that was caused. I was pulled into the pastor's office and in front of people I didn't even know , was called a pervert and they needed to pray my sexual perversion away. I'm a lesbian not a predator
Awful. I hope you're doing well now, Marci.
Regards from the UK
"The church has lots of resources."
A.k.a. "We took lots of money from our congregation."
Perhaps caller should travel around in Scandinavia, Benelux, Germany, etc... Almost no visitors to churches and still very happy people!
So this guy blames his (inaccurate) perception of the rise in social ills on a decline in church attendance. Ok, let's suppose he's right, and there's a real causal relationship there. What is he proposing, making church compulsory?
I used to date a girl from marshalltown. She grew up very religious with an oppressive father that left her small minded. I remember her most common saying to me was "you can't do that"!
If they opened the books and auditors found mass fraud and laundering they would just claim the auditors are interpreting the books incorrectly ..... they have a tradition of doing this with books🙈😂🤣
I remember one period of my life when I was homeless (in the winter), and calvary chapel folks would only give out the nicer essential items if you could answer correctly to bible quiz questions. Got to eat but no gloves for me! lol
It is comforting to have experts call in to the show. Yet so many of them have their PHDs from "The University Of I Just Know". Odd.
Dude started lying at the end.
Yeah, I'm sure the churches just let him into the offices to peruse the financial statements. Unless he's an accountant working for them, he's a total liar.
He was backpedalling like crazy in response to Matt challenging his numbers.
Dude started lying in the beginning. Like all of the 'religious' he's a liar.
The guy didn't start lying at the start. He started long before that.
320,000 Christian churches in just the US as of 2007. I doubt his seen anywhere near 3,200 (1%) churches books.
Bal Jagpal: I doubt he's examined 320 churches books, or 32!
Yeah, he was full of it.
I think Tracie is the bee's knees!
I agree - and the wasp's shins!
8:35 annoys me about Christians when you tell them that the church you used to belong to or Christians you have known were like X, and they say, "Ah, they couldn't have really been that way."
It's the "No True Scotsman" logical fallacy by definition.
*Joe Mama* And later he claims to have a good evidence based view of churches after displaying this obvious positive prejudice towards them.
I love this guy. "Reigion makes everything better" in my life.Not the world. Not for others. Me. Religion is a social disease.
Donations to charities, including offerings to churches, should NEVER be tax-deductible. You should not have to subsidize my casues and I shouldn't have to subsidize yours.
Steven Whiting atheists don’t have church buildings... and I think we’re talking property tax here.
We are talking about tax-exempt status for the organization itself. You can be against that too if you want but it's separate from individual tax-deductions for charitable contributions.
As a former certified addiction counsellor I can say the fact is that the rate of addiction (to any drug including alcohol) has remained steady for decades. At any given time 5% of the population is in "crisis mode" due to their addiction and a further 5%-10% are on their way. Since becoming atheist some 8 or so years ago I have attended many and started a couple of Secular AA meetings where no god or higher power is necessary in order to recover from alcoholism or drug addiction. And guess what? People can and do stay clean and sober without a god or higher power central to their recovery.
Hard to find a more clearcut example of "to an oppressor equality feels like oppression".
It's incredibly frustrating at 8:35 when he says Tracie's church actually did do community work when she JUST said it didn't.
That makes me think - what is the likelihood that rich powerful churches are not acting as money laundering systems for serious organised crime?
If they can run on completely closed books then they could be the biggest launderers to ever exist.
10:41...”we don’t know how wealthy the Mormon church is” ...it’s now 2020 and have found out they have 100b in a fund.
its even worst in the catholic church stealing up to 10% of peoples income specially in usa
"You are a Goliath of an atheist movement, I am just a David"
Subtle way of saying "You are going down, m8", I'll give him that.
Huh you're far too generous to the parasite. I wouldn't grant him anything, except for a beautifully brutal knuckle duster sandwich.
@@andrewlockett4569 That actually means I came up up with that! I AM SO WITTY!
lol.
But, srsly, yeah, i had my doubts. Religious people don't really do subtle, unless they need to explain something away. Then it's all metaphors and subtle references.
With the world filled all over with religion, it's falling apart anyway. Time for a new paradigm.
"Not more than 50%, probably."
Does he KNOW how many churches there are?
Replace drugs with God?
One addiction replacing another
Expelling beelzebub with help from the devil...
Describes my sister exactly... and now she has this holier than thou mentality and is constantly pushing good on you.
This dude just needs more people in his church
That's why he called
Thank you Tracee for pointing the US' social welfare systems shortcomings.
11:18, I feel the same way about the Police investigating themselves and discovering that they did nothing wrong.
What I wish Matt would have mentioned was that while religions claim to help people, there is also the proliferation of churches who preach what they call the doctrine of wealth...."Send us your money." It's called "seed money", wherein the pastor or preacher, or whatever encourage, their congregation to buy them multi-million dollar private jets and multiple mansions...All of course, tax free. As George Carlin once noted, "If there is a God, then why does he need all this money?" And Matt was right, sure there are plenty of religious charities, but name one in particular which provides beds and food for the homeless which does not require that they sit through and hour long sermon, simply to keep from freezing or starving to death outside.
I clicked on this cause if the title but don't need to listen to it. My answer is no. The world would be a better place without religion. Done.
Matt and Tracie keep it real and religion hides behind it's deception and lies..
Actually a lot of our societal ills are in decline. Teen pregnancy is far lower today than it was back in the 1950's, when people were VERY conservative and the country was largely Christian.
is pregnancy in decline due to better moral standards or shift in culture since 1950 involving ready availability of effective contraception, and far more women taking charge & going into careers now than 60 yrs ago?
David Anewman Children =/= zygote/embryo/fetus. A person, in the us at least, has the right to bodily autonomy. A person does not have the right to use another person’s body, even a parent cannot be forced to donate blood or organs to a child, even if they will die.
I presume that since you are against abortion, you must be for the best ways to combat it, like comprehensive sex education, encouraging people be safe when they engage in sexual behavior and to have children when they are ready, correct?
David Anewman Yeah I’m pretty glad that you’re 56, you’ll be on the way out soon along with all the other immoral dinosaurs with their silly backwards beliefs regarding sex.
You also didn’t address any of the points I raised in my response to you, which isn’t a fun way to have a discussion.
Mandatory sterilization is a violation of bodily autonomy and as such would be incredibly illegal. Also you really should look up the history of sterilization by the state in the us, it was rather prominent in the early 1900s and actually heavily influenced Adolf Hitler. Eugenics were very popular in America at the time.
David Anewman Is that why we force parents to donate organs to their children against their will? Or vice verse? Yeah, you’re just incorrect here.
It is in fact immoral, you realize the people that were sterilized were criminals committing crimes but people who were suffering from mental illness (and a lot of people who weren’t but were accused.) You really need to look this stuff up, it impressed your buddy Hitler.
Yeah all I’m hearing from you is an incredibly horrible love for punishment regardless of wrongdoing.
David Anewman organ transplants are not immoral. Your first sentence is certifiably insane, perhaps you should be sterilized then. Again, do actual research, they were not all criminally insane nor even insane. You’re factually wrong.
Murder is the unlawful killing of another person, abortion is legal and therefore does not fit the definition of murder.
Hitler was a Lemarckist and banned the teaching of Darwinian evolution. You are incredibly misinformed my dude.
i grew up in brandenburg, germany, which is right around berlin. gallup poll wanted to make a survey on religiosity here but they had to give up that study after they asked 1000 people and didn't find a single religious person. anyway iceland, sweden, norway, czech republic, new zealand ... and so on, each of them less religious and way more civil places than the USA.
i agree with the caller that morals in the US are decresing but there is no causation to religion. it is the american unwillingness to control the markets that increases the unfair wealth distribution. they blame the individual for being poor rather than taking social measures to prevent poverty, also the pressure of the people to succeed destroys people mentally and makes them vulnerable to drugabuse. amerians have been stripped and bent over the table by special interest groups including churches and to be honest i am not sure if, in this rigged election system they can ever get up again.
Kali
I live in a socialist country and its great. We have a high minimum wage, $18.00 per hour and if you work on the weekends you get $27.00 ph. The busiest shopping days are the weekends. We also have a wage fixing system which sets a minimum wage in all sectors, with over 150 awards. Business is thriving because it keeps spending up which is good for small business. The average wealth per person is about the same as the US, but the medium wealth is about $200 000, which is way higher than the $50 000 in America.
You guys have been hoodwinked into thinking that unfetted capitalism is good for the middle class. It's not, it's good for the rich.
@Kali Southpaw Germany is not a Socialist country it's Capitalist .. made in image of the USA who occupied and rebuilt it after WW2 ..
Kali Southpaw
A traveler came upon an old farmer hoeing in his field beside the road. Eager to rest his feet, the wanderer hailed the countryman, who seemed happy enough to straighten his back and talk for a moment.
"What sort of people live in the next town?" asked the stranger.
"What were the people like where you've come from?" replied the farmer, answering the question with another question.
"They were a bad lot. Troublemakers all, and lazy too. The most selfish people in the world, and not a one of them to be trusted. I'm happy to be leaving the scoundrels."
"Is that so?" replied the old farmer. "Well, I'm afraid that you'll find the same sort in the next town.
Disappointed, the traveler trudged on his way, and the farmer returned to his work.
Some time later another stranger, coming from the same direction, hailed the farmer, and they stopped to talk. "What sort of people live in the next town?" he asked.
"What were the people like where you've come from?" replied the farmer once again.
"They were the best people in the world. Hard working, honest, and friendly. I'm sorry to be leaving them."
"Fear not," said the farmer. "You'll find the same sort in the next town."
Tracy is high AF in this episode
With the amount of shit they have to rehash every episode, I'm surprised they're not all high every episode! Lol
The world was alright before religion and the belief in a god came into existence.
I'm quite sure it will be alright when this bullshit is gone.
One thing for sure, when Bernice Jenkins misses church on Sunday morning that means she went heavy on the cacaine on Saturday night. Her favorite song is Bands make her dance.
I know I have a giant crush on her, but man Tracie looks drop dead gorgeous here, apart from her empathetic insightful comments. Matt's his usual intellectual stalwart self.
Curing substance addiction is about faith, question is faith in what? Maybe Jesus did it for you. So what? It all boils down to faith in yourself, curing yourself with your own mental powers. That may be disguised as Jesus or some other delusion. Medicines, people, mental distractions are all helpful, but in the end, it's your brain that finally decides the outcome.
LOL - advertisement before video was 'GodLife' with their 'Pray Now'-campaign. They truly are desperate and despicable.
One of the main things that I appreciate about Matt and his shows is that he and his colleagues never let Christians get away with their blatant nonsense.
Any other form of interview would have let that fella skate with his “not more than 50%…” comment, lol.
I find it absolutely hilarious how Christians often complain about the “say” they have in the vetting of their political representation yet when it comes to their fairy-tale-land religious lives they are more than willing to listen to, financially support, and champion individuals who have never been through ANY KIND of vetting process whatsoever…
I mean you don’t even have to have a college degree to become a preacher/pastor/priest.
HELL, you don’t even have to have studied the freakin’ Bible, you just have to regurgitate the same thing that you’ve been hearing all your life…
repeating the same nonsense over and over, generation after generation.
Christianity is such an awful religion.
One of the steps of AA is to relinquish all power you have over this addiction to a higher power. This is not beneficial in the long run, it sets up a fragile solution and makes you weaker. The power to help yourself is always in your hands.
Plus when your addiction doesn't magically disappear....
There is absolutely nothing wrong with a single parent household. My mom raised me on her and own and I came out just fine. The one time I had two parents in my life, when my mom got remarried, was some of the worst years in my life when they began arguing and yelling at each other all the time. When she divorced him and we moved back to our old house, life was much better. So if you think a two parent household is best, consider situations like this.
Indeed, on the single parent angle, let's not forget that someone could end up being a single parent, simply because the other parent died.
Surely you can't find any "moral decline" or fault to that situation, right?
And even if they are a single parent because the other parent shirked their responsibilities and ran away... that's surely not the other parent's fault, right? The single parent is sticking by their kids, is being responsible, is doing the best they can. They're doing the right thing and can't be blamed for someone else's choice not to do the right thing.
(Sure, you might want to pin some "moral decline" on the part of the parent that ran away, but that shouldn't be pinned on the single parent who's actually sticking to their guns - even though parenting alone has got to be far more difficult. So, even in these cases, it shouldn't be the single parents who're getting the bad rap, you should rather say "absentee parents" rather than "single parents" - the single parents, who're sticking around and accepting their responsibilities to their children, are surely not the moral problem here, yes?)
Or, put another way, let's also bring up the statistics on how many single parents chose to be single parents, against those who just ended up that way, against what they wanted, because the other parent died or ran away or whatever.
Because you've got to subtract those people from the overall "single parent" statistics, to find the ones who're in "moral decline". The single parents themselves ain't that, as they're sticking around to do the right thing by their kids and are surely not in "moral decline" for that, yes?
If you're going to make these complaints at all, then label it as "absentee parents" and don't label it as "single parents".
In the same way that if there was a rise in burglaries that you wanted to complain about as a "moral decline", you'd criticise the rise in burglars, not criticise the rise in people allowing themselves to be stolen from. At least blame the perpetrator, and not the victim, please.
As supervisor of a clinical psych ward that contains many patients who suffer from religious delusions....
REALITY therapy is the number one form of treatment. Reality is what reality IS>>>>
I have two degrees. One in psychology and one in sociology. With three years of research experience.
The religion focused AA doesn't work and has very high failure ratesas particular when compared with scientifically based methods.
In a chemical dependency class I took in college I read a really insightful book that discussed this as well. The "success" rates touted in AA are deceptive and misleading because it is a selection bias that doesn't account for all of the individuals that quit or dropped out from attending AA because it was unsuccessful for them. The people who end up being successful through the help of AA were also likely the people who were more likely to achieve success regardless. Public perception regarding substance use treatment is that AA and other 12 step groups are the only ways to achieve sobriety.
This is especially an issue for people who are not religious or spiritual, as the 12 step model is founded off of the idea that you have to submit to a higher power than yourself. They will try and convince you that your "higher power" doesn't have to be religious, that it can be completely separate from any religious belief. As someone who isn't religious or spiritual and initially tried to achieve sobriety through NA, I found that notion incredibly ridiculous. I read the entire NA book and I just couldn't wrap my head around the fact that I'm supposed to just make up a higher power in my head and surrender to it. This issue is literally just the tip of the iceberg in terms of the issues with the 12 step model, as I have written entire essays on this subject.
Randy's lies progressed with the call's duration. Wow!
Deep fried bacon with chocolate? Yuck
I live in Czech Republic. The country is safe, people behave with the same level of morality, the public service is at the same level as well. There are some 95% of atheists here. Similar and maybe even better examples are scandinavian countries.
I love yall so much I hope yall are guud. So guud.
Last I checked just a few years ago, at that time violent crime in the U.S. was at a 40 year low. I don't know if it has risen since that. But the "good old days" were no better than what we are living now. Life is better now than at any time in history. And if not for religion we would be far more advanced.
Last caller, Randy, sure does reveal how willing to believe lies he is. He's also dishonest about how many churches he's audited.
He should be ashamed of himself. I hope he wakes up and steps away from the mind poison of religion.
Yeah, his "auditing" probably consisted of counting the money in the collection plate after one mass.
There was a large tornado in Marshaltown that destroyed a church, just saying.
If these religious organizations are not corrupt and spend their money wisely, they should not object to open books and transparency. How much money do the local church officials keep? How much gets sent up to their district/regional administration? How much gets sent to God and what does he do with it?
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Churches books are as mysterious ad God himself 🤣😭🤣😭🤣😭
Without people there would be no God !
Never put money in a collection plate when you can instead give it to a certified charity. How are you meant to know what the churches do with it when they keep those details hidden?
Sidestory:
Years back, one of my local churches collected money on behalf of my newly widowed mother without her permission and never even handed it on to her. For months afterwards people were asking my mother if the donations helped her, and she had to inform every one of them she that received nothing. Years later we heard they did this same thing with another grieving spouse. Some churches are good, some are bad, but it's hard to tell when they keep financial details under wraps.
33melonpaws77 I’m sure they used a portion of the money collected to send a card or flowers - maybe even a casserole - and the other 99% of the money collected covered the church fees/expenses involved in collecting and administering the money... lol
@@Tenly2009 Yeah, collecting free money can be mighty expensive. :D
(I asked mum.. the church gave her nothing. She paid to rent the church hall for dad's funeral reception which she could barely afford. The priest later told her to write thank you notes to everyone for the donations that they *gave to the church.* I forgot about those details. What the fuck...)
Or just stay out of church to begin with
All the most advanced societies on earth are also the most secular. Thats a fact.
The fact that he admits to examining less than 1%, and still tries to argue that most churches are good, speaks wonders. As an accountant, I can assure you that if he can't understand that statistic, he didn't know what he was looking at for the
I exploded when his answer to if he had worked with 1% of churches was maybe not lmao bro if you worked like a 1,000 churches you’d be .001%
Tracy looks gorgeous
Always !
I wanna go balls deep
He hasn't worked with 50% of churches and he goes on the show saying the hosts are biased on how great they really are. He wasn't well prepared at all and got baptised in the fire of Atheism.
I need truth to get through life. Not fairy tales.
I'm pretty sure there's a line in the bible about 'avoiding the appearance of evil'. So logically, NONE of these churches should have closed account books. They should be HAPPY to open their books in order to follow their god's teachings. But you know..... christians. 🙄
There seems to be certain characteristics of theist, they are generally simple minded and gullible.... no wonder it’s hard to convince them with logic
My vote is on 'Its falling apart WITH religion.
My kids name is Matt is awesome
GREAT! Now we just need a few more.
Correlation doesn’t equal causation
The world is already fallen apart & religion is one of the main things holding it that way. Unfortunately it is too brainwarshed to fix for some time.
Religion is the main divisive force in the world. To think otherwise shows how religion distorts your perspective.
Correction, Randy. No there’s nothing in iowa. The best thing we have is a fair, I agree, yet those happen in basically every midwestern state, and they’re for unhealthy farmers frankly.
I'm an ex heroin addict. No God. 17 years clean.
Raised Christian. Read the book at 7. Didn't understand it.
Tried again at 8 or 9. Even more perplexed and started actively denying. Only got worse and ended up exploring Wicca by 11 out of confusion.
The hole that led to my heroin addiction was purely the operation of prioritizing feeling good over soundness. I was arrogant and because it felt good and could be mangled logically to be good, I didnt perceive it as a problem.
Should I call? I have views. They are mostly assumed ignorance and curiosity of divergence.
I'd say go ahead and call, sounds like you'd have an interesting conversation with the hosts.
Hitchens pointed out that Mother T's organisation was swimming in donation money - rnough to do a great deal of medical good, if used properly. Despite that, the Missionaries of Charity just seem to sit on the cashpile and keep on doing their small-scale, austere, sometimes amateurish thing.
Now that they are actively involved in politics...churches need to have open books and they need to pay taxes as a business. I got kicked off twitter for saying this. Please get on twitter if you feel the same way. Do we really want the kinds of religions that they have in the middle east?
the reason why you see more things like depression outside the church is because the church considers it a non issue and doesn't offer help like that so people are having to go with other methods that are less judgmental
mental health in religion is taboo and that's why your not suppose to talk about it which makes people with these problems never seek help so if anything it just makes people think they are alone which makes the problem worse
A well functioning society wouldn't have charities for their own population.
Without religion we would help ourselves and each other instead of sitting around praying about it.
All of these negative consequences occured after "in God we trust" was added to money.
This caller starts off with the most erroneous submission that he is just a David to matts Goliath of the atheist movement
I hope the irony is not lost on him there
Remember that Family Guy episode where Stewie and Brian go to an alternate dimension where religion disappeared from society a long time ago? Everything was better. EVERYTHING. Society was far more technologically advanced, scientific research cured cancer, etc. While there’s a lot of hyperbole in that, there’s an element of truth to it.
Well maybe, however if it wasn’t religion it’d be some other such group. It definitely wouldn’t have stifled expression or science as much though. Not to mention an enormous percentage of wars are/were started through a religion, or someone who claimed to have a deity on their side.
Dude, if you don't like what's on TV, turn it off or change the channel
i just had an ad with religious speakers before this video...
Religion is behind; KILLINGS, WARS, HATE and many BAD THINGS ............
Religious organizations should be the very first to voluntarily hand over their books. But they don't, because they know for a fact that nearly everyone would leave upon learning the truth about their organization.
Randy is a liar....for Christ!
randy only sounds smart.