@@borkwoof696 political rants?? That's far fetched. I hear rants nightly on say the hard core lefty comedians and Hollywood stars almost daily.... These guys aren't anything compared
No doubt I carry HST in multiple calibers for different guns.. and that plastic box kicks my ass every-time.. there is an actual correct way to open it though.. there is a seam hidden under the stickers.. if you slice the seam with a knife it actually opens halfway decent..
I use the Underwood Extreme Defender because I like the barrier blindness and the fact that it doesn't expand. In 2020 Lehigh has updated the machining process which has allowed them to drop the price a whopping 33%! $20 versus $30 for a box of 20 rounds makes me very happy!
The Underwood Defenders are really great rounds! I used to carry the Defenders but decided to switch to a different load and that load is Critcal Duty which I’ve been very happy carrying!!! The prices are better when it comes to the Critical Duty also.
Gentleman, this is excellent advice that you have given on knowing what's beyond your target. As a retired law enforcement officer I have been shot at. But, because I wasn't sure I could safely return fire without injuring someone innocent I didn't shoot. We were trained to make sure that at the end of our tour of duty we returned home safely to our loved ones and that included not being charged with a accidental shooting. Excellent advice again, thank you for sharing this.
Great info guys. I'm now carrying the Underwood Xtreme Defender 120 grain in my .45 and this video verifies my reason why I switched from the Federal Hydra-shocks that I use to use for many years, {20 plus years} I really like the Underwoods, and have found my shooting to be much more consistent and more accurate with them due to the lighter recoil than the former 230 grain were.
I agree, I’ve done the same thing for use in my Colt Defender. I also carry it in my HK45C. This Underwood ammo feeds well in my Defender and the recoil is quite manageable. It helps me maintain the highest accuracy of any round I’ve tested.
Anyone else here during the Pandemic and watching this video thinking "I'll carry whatever ammo I can find in stock..."? A box of cheap $10 hollow points is better than no ammo at all. Haha. Update: I haven't seen those rounds back in stock since I ordered them... Pretty sure those $10 HP's are now triple that price at this point!
@@repetitivemotion - Yeah...I got lucky and found a cheap brand of HPs on some website...bought about 500 rounds and checked again a week ago...completely out.
@@repetitivemotion - Geco Red Line 9mm 124 grain HP. Damn good price...but the site has been sold out for weeks now and I've noticed other stores have pulled their listings for some ammo so I think it's going to get harder to find more. =/
I've always used FMJ to familiarize myself with how to shoot a particular firearm well. Then I'll always put 2 boxes of hollow points through it to be sure it cycles and it shoots on target with the ammo before I carry it.
@@Prosecute-fauci Yeah but but it's still cheaper than breaking your new gun/mag in with hollow points, which a lot of guns/magazines have feeding problems with for the first hundred rounds or so.
@@kidthorazine What round meant for your gun will break it? The hell? Unless you are purposefully shooting hot loads or have a Cambodian made shtter, no ammo of matching caliber unless a Defective round (Due to outside reasons) should EVER "break"you firearm, at most.. It will fail to cycle or even fire. That is why we test our Carry rounds, not bc we care about a gun being broken (which should not happen) and can be replaced for money, my life cannot. I run the rounds to protect my life, not a fking gun. Should not be breaking. Lol.
@@HailWoden18 That was a typo, I meant "breaking in" A lot of guns won't reliably feed reliably until you go through a break in period. They especially tend to get hung up on hollowpoints.
I agree that recent advances have made the 9mm a much more potent choice than it was a decade ago and it’s usually the caliber I carry. However, people seem to forget that those same advances have been made to the other calibers as well so they too have improved.
An excellent point, but the resurgence of 9mm comes now because it is now considered a guaranteed effective round. Back in the day, the FBI requested the creation of a new caliber because of the failures 9mm to be lethal. Through a convoluted process, they eventually arrived at 40 S&W as a balance between the capacity of 9mm but the effectiveness of 45acp. That's how .40 became all the rage. However, advancements in 9mm have increased its effectiveness to the point of being considered viable. A 9mm will kill now, and that was the point in the change. In the past, you could not have relied on the 9mm to be powerful enough to kill. During the Miami shootout of 1986, which is what sparked the creation of the new caliber, suspect Michael Platt should have been killed by the 9mm he took to the chest, but it didn't penetrate far enough to hit his heart. That would no longer be the case. 9mm would have killed him if the agents had been carrying the Speer Gold Dot G2s that they now carry. So the point in switching back to 9mm isn't that it is now suddenly better than .40 or 45 as far as stopping power goes. It isn't. However, the FBI has since decided that 9mm, now being a lethal round, is good enough to be considered. If all three calibers between 9mm, 40 s&w, and 45 acp will do the job, you want the one with the highest capacity and lowest recoil. If I only get one shot, I want a .45 acp, but I'll take fifteen to twenty 9mm rounds over seven 45 acp rounds or 13 .40 S&W rounds. That's their thought process.
@@s0frl15 Actually, after the 1986 Miami shootout the FBI was asking for a more powerful round - a one shot man stopper without the recoil of the one caliber already in existence that could do that - the 357 magnum. Too many agents couldn't pass the FBI shooting qualification test with the 357 magnum ( try it) so they opted for the hi cap and low recoil of the 9mm. After Miami shootout S&W developed the 10mm for semiauto pistols. The 10mm equaled the 357 magnum in every way, met FBI ballistic standards but had the same issue of strong recoil so FBI rejected it. S&W came back with the .40S&W (cut down 10mm case) which was more powerful than the 9mm, met FBI standards and had manageable recoil. FBI adopted (police departments followed) the 40S&W and was their standard 'issue caliber' until the newer ballistic technology caught up with the 9mm - less recoil and more rounds per magazine. I really like the 'snap' of the 40S&W but I'll stick with my 45ACP 'because shooting more than twice is silly!'
One thing that very few people mention about “hollow points” is that they can be very finicky in a semi handgun. You don’t want a round that is not reliable and won’t cycle the next round. Every handgun has its favorite round. You should fire a minimum of 100 rounds of the ammo you plan on using to make sure there are no problems.
A good quality firearm should handle jhp ammo. If it doesn't function reliability; fix it or ditch it. Maintenance is extremely critical for EDC function and reliability.
@@mistermom310 it’s not the firearm or maintenance. Some projectiles on JHP ammo are just too aggressive or angular and hang up on the feed ramps of the barrels. You could either sand the chamfering on the feed ramp, ruining the finish and exposing your barrel on your defensive gun to the elements, or more simply, find a different round. Speer is very popular with law enforcement and some military for this reason, as they’re very rounded at the tip when compared to, say, the Hornady Critical Defense
@@ReqDef As a retitled LEO I carried and continue to carry Gold Dot, Winchester T series. I've never had an issue with them in my Colt, Beretta, S&W or Glock weapons.
@@mistermom310 Gold Dot is the king, in my opinion. But it all depends on a variety of factors, just happens to be the best-performing defensive ammo out of my G19 with or without the match grade barrel I like to run
You ought to but given the cost of JHP ammo, and that is if they are available, one is lucky to have enough to full a magazine. Ammo manufacturers are much more intoned to make their ammo function in a variety of guns. And gun makers have been very sensitive in making guns that will function with a variety of ammo. We don't hear as many complaints about choking on hollow points than back in the 1980s and 1990s.
I wish they would've discussed feed reliability on these rounds as well. Penetration and "hydraulic channeling" sounds cool, but reliability to feed is my #1 factor in choosing a carry round. And with all these fancy twisted hollow points and screwdriver tips, I think they should've discussed feeding as well.
Victim implies unlawful discharge of a firearm, and whilst it might have been a slip or a joke we all know there are those out there that would seize on it to feed their anti 2A rhetoric
I use and also reload the XTP 230 grain because it's readily available for reloading. Some of these rounds do not have projectile's available for reloaders.
all it is, is electroplating copper sulfate putting a very thin layer of copper onto the outer surface and that's the only downside is most plated bullets aka bonded are to thin and its like shooting unjacketed lead rounds not all of them are like that but alot of them are to thin.
I’m actually not wrong...lol. There’s several ways to bond a core, and yes lots of bullets are mechanically bonded. It’s much cheaper for a Bullet manufacturer to roll a knarly crimp groove and call it bonded. Also, so awesome projectiles are custom swaged and machined from solid stock like the Lehighs.
It’s a body of knowledge man. A vast body of knowledge. It’s hard to remember every tiny detail 100 percent of the time. What I do know is I’ve tested these rounds thoroughly and actually spend a couple of grand doing it. They are excellent and have their own application. I’m not a big fan of RIP
What is this about a "press fit jacket". How are they doing that? Electro plating to me seemed the cheapest way to put the jacket on at all. How else are they putting copper on there?
He will break out his S&M/B&D gear after the shoot. I am sure he has a "Bug out bag" assigned for that purpose. Starting with the ball in the mouth deal.
Thanks for mentioning underwood ammo. They are a small manufacturer that produces rounds with Lehigh bullets that produce extraordinary ballistics. Ballistics that you can actually trust From what’s written on the label. That’s a refreshing thing the major manufacturers might get a clue about.
My gel testing differs from yours. I did not do blind barrier testing, we just placed 3 layers of denim in front of the gel. Of the 4 rounds we tested (critical defense, hst, pdx1 and older ranger t series) the critical defense had the least expansion and the expanded shape was still somewhat circular and smooth. The HST had very impressive expansion equal to both of the Winchesters. In addition to great expansion both of the Winchester rounds had sharp petals around the diameter of the expanded bullet. The older Rangers petals seemed more jagged but in almost half the rounds at least one petal separated from the bullet. In the case of the PDX1 all petals were retained. So as impressed as you were with the Critical Defense I was pretty underwhelmed.
I really want to see an updated video of this test with some of these and the new rounds on the market. I know it would be unbelievably expensive today tho. Thank you for your work. I still come back to this often.
I like the Hornady Critical Duty/Defense, absolute confidence in their quality control, never seen a primer that wasn't flush, or casing that isn't crimped just right, most importantly no failures(so far!). I've had feed problem with Sig ammo(115gr 9mm).
I'm glad someone mentioned the Duty/Defense types. They keep saying Defense in the video when talking about Duty, which I believe is the bonded one. Both are great, but Duty has the higher penetration.
Me too so I go for the coolest looking ammo.. They are all effective.. Im not gonna nitpick.. Im switching from Zombie Max to the nickel plated Critical Defense or Duty...
@@outlawgt3045Critical Defense for compact handguns, Critical Duty for full-size - barrel length matters, for these two types of ammo! Also, Critical Duty was specifically developed to have a “barrier blind” performance, while Critical Defense was not (even though it can display similar results).
I’d never carry R.I.P. rounds. Like they said, low on penetration, after the petals come off it has a very unimpressive wound track and I’d never want to be in a self defense shooting trial where I would have to defend using a round called R.I.P. You know the other lawyer would harp on that all day long. You might not think it would be a big deal but to a non shooter on the jury I would be afraid that they would think I was just looking for a reason to shoot someone because of that round.
It is also not "common". If I had to go to court over a defensive shooting, I would want my attorney to be able to argue that there is nothing extreme about the ammo selected and carried. It is the same as hundreds on LE agencies all over the nation.
I do understand your point, in today's world. Ppl don't understand anything when they think they know it all. Some1 on the jury would really take it aa R.I.P. (rest in peace) when it actually stands for radically invasive projectile
Any opportunity to ignore Chad should never be wasted. What a smug excessive "Air Quotes" kind of guy . He always lights up when he sees ANY opportunity to correct Eric. He must find it so difficult to understand how Eric and to some extent Barry built this channel to the level of popularity it enjoys without any input from him.
Lol. One thing Chad will never do is turn down a chance to be a know it all. There’s plenty of ways to skin a cat. You can custom swage anything you want with lead cores and bulk jackets, you can mechanically Bond a core with an agressive cannelure, or you can plate the core with copper and bond it. There’s also any number of other closely guarded manufacturing techniques which are closely guarded trade secrets. Take your pick. You don’t want to be standing in front of any of them. 🤷🏻♂️
Iraqveteran8888: Eric, did you just accuse Chad of the one being a know it all??? You really need to go back and watch your videos and then look yourself in the mirror. You are the one constantly interrupting others to prove that you are the smartest one around. Your overbearing personality allows it - until someone who is more assertive is in the room (Like MAC) - then you are quite sheepish. Just watch the videos, the evidence is all there, crystal clear.
I like to open a fresh box of shiny new bullets, dump them out and play around with them. They seem to like it too. When I go to the range, I mostly shoot the cheaper target rounds, but I always put a few of the new premiums down range before I load up a magazine for my EDC weapons. Always good to shoot them before you trust your life to them. Then I clean my gun and fondle and count the new ammo again before organizing and tucking them in for the night. I love my bullets, and I think they love me too. Now you know what a sentimental Pistolero I am. Don't tell anybody!
I know its 2 years after this video was made, but i recently purchased a Ruger LCP Max .380 and i gotta say this pocket pistol is really awesome. Ive never been a fan of .380 but i wanted something i could stick in my pocket so that i dont scare anyone open carrying. Even though its a right, and very Constitutional, i dont want anyone worrying that im a danger to anyone. With that being said, i took the LCP to a relatives property to try it out. And i have got to say that the LCP is comfortable, accurate and very stylish for an affordable pistol. And i love it.
I want to find out where Chad got the "When you're too close for missiles..." Shirt? Also, I like the fact that Speer makes a short barrel version of the Gold Dot ammo. I would be interested to watch a test of that to see if it really makes a difference.
I bought a lot of the "New Age "type of ammo ,Cor bon ,Liberty Civil defense ,etc,before the current shortage .I haven't seen any of them lately .I'm glad I got it when I did .Great Program !!
I like to think of ammunition like hollowpoints as collectors items. Yes they have a purpose. But they wont be here forever and will eventually be relics like the black talon.
You guys are right on. Federal HST 124 grain Plus P, in my opinion, is The Top Ammo. The others you have listed are all vying for 2nd place, period! 👍👍😁😁🇺🇲🇺🇲
my dad started carrying extreme defender in 9mm. he said it worked great on a rabid dog, and he figured it'd work well on assholes with bad intentions.
That's exactly how I feel I spend the extra money I carry rip rounds in all of my carry weapons except for 25 and 32 ACP. Those are full metal jacket but those are only my backups. When it comes to your life I don't care if it's $10 around there aren't range rounds like you said
The main reasons some people would care about cost is stockpiling enough for all the guns they carry or they need to test a couple of boxes for their individual gun for reliability and point of impact.
Federal HST; from all the ballistics gel tests I have seen (particularly Shooting The Bull on TH-cam), this is the best self-defense round in basically every caliber.
Picked up 5 boxes of Hornaday custom XTP124 gr at Bass Pro shops they have no fmj but plenty of self defense rds and get this 21 bucks for 25 rd box that is the lowest price I have seen in a year
I'm not sure they adequately presented the difference in the two bonding types. Hey, I'm a fellow Georgian and a fan of the show way back to its beginnings but Eric has a habit of talking over Chad. They would fare better if they coordinated their presentations better.
Interesting results on the hst. Many have tested that stuff with various barriers and had unflinching reliability of expansion and consistent penetration afterwards. Wonder if your box lot was funky.
Gold Dot also comes in Law Enforcement boxes of 50 for around $20. Also Speer Lawman is the training round for the Gold Dot. SG Ammo is where I get my HP rounds.
The Winchester White Box ball ammo is a fantastic training round. Great for reloading and priced at 56$ for 200 rds at Wally World, makes it 28 cents for 165 gr 40 S&W rounds. And this load is easy on recoil but good power to match the 165 gr Gold Dots. The 180 gr Winchester bonded brass case H.P. is 20$ a box of 50 in 40 S&W also but is a close second choice for economy SD.
Both of my carry guns are 9mm and I use 147 grain HST’s in both of them. I use +p’s in my p226 and standard pressure in my glock 43. I love both rounds. Accurate, reliable, proven, and from my own testing both are pretty devastating. I haven’t messed with any of the xtreme penetrators or defenders in anything other than a 357 MAG yet.
I switched from HSTs 124grain to Gold Dot 124 grain p+ after doing a test between the two and saw that I can play more accurate and tighter grouped shots with gold dots. I was still giving HSTs the chance, until I had a failure to feed and that's when I decided Gold dot was for me. HSTs are still good in my book despite the failure to feed
Must be your gun or mag because I've ran thousands of HST's in all calibers thru several different firearms and never had a malfunction. And they're very accurate as well. I also like Speer Gold Dots. My go to for carry is still Underwood Extreme Defender and HST
Don't carry anything that you haven't put a couple hundred rounds of through your gun, and you have verified that it functions reliably and accurately , and also shoots to point of aim. Thats more important than having the best hollowpoint.
spyderxtra777 you'll never convince anyone of putting a few hundred rounds of ammo through a gun at 1 buck a pop. I run 1 box through if I get a new gun or new ammo. I would think this applies more to cheap ass finicky guns. High quality pistols don't care what you feed them. (1911 excluded)
WCGwkf that’s why you shouldn’t carry ammo that’s $1 a pop, that’s what I was getting at. I carry HSTs because it comes in 50 round boxes and it’s reasonably priced for practice
spyderxtra777 most of it is though. I reload my ammo so I'm able to make stuff that's just as hot if not hotter than sd ammo. I have 147 gr and 165gr for 9mm and I load them with the fastest velocity powder to maximum and when you compare felt recoil you probably couldn't tell the difference. I know my ammo choice is reliable so I don't have any worries as all
Have fun paying thousands of dollars just testing what ammo you want to "trust". It's 2018 I think ammunition factories have it down by bow. I've shot since I was 12 years old and I'm now 22 I've shot hundreds of thousands of rounds from factories and I've NEVER had a bullet not go bang. All you have to do is weigh your ammunition to make sure it has the right amount of powder in it. I've done that for 10 years and I've never had a problem, also Don't leave ammunition in your mag or clip for 6-7 months plus and expect it to run perfectly, and for the love of God don't even start by saying that you handload and trust it more than any factory ammunition because then I'll just know your biased.
Conor the Airman hardly, I said a couple hundred rounds, and even at “a buck a shot” that’s only $200.... and I like to pay less than that for my hollow points if possible. 50 round boxes of HSTs are $30 online, cheap enough where I can buy a few boxes and practice shooting targets with them at different ranges and learn where they hit and where I have to hold to make hits. That’s all I am saying. Most people buy a box of expensive hollow points, run 10 rounds through their gun at a paper target 7 yards away then load up a mag for carry, shoot fmjs the rest of the time and call it good. I don’t feel that’s being adequately prepared but to each his own.
I choose Grizzly Cartridge JHPs in 147 grain .357 SIG for home defense/EDC and 90 grain 9mm for pocket carry. Underwood Xtreme Defender would be an excellent option for carrying while in a vehicle or for use in a .380ACP. Double Tap also makes an excellent .45ACP JHP. Check out Paul Harrell's videos if you want good information on a particular round.
Honorable mentions- Ranger T and Golden Sabers. I like all those in the video but carry critical duty most. Also HydraShok rounds saved my life so there always in the mix
Same here. I know it's expensive but in all reality, $20 and $30 boxes of ammo are only gonna tax you if you're burning these rounds down range. I was taught to use the ball ammo for practice and then invest in more mags. Then you can simply switch mags. Your defense ammo never gets spent, unless of course you're in a fight. Federal HST is what I'm carrying now. The Critical Duty and Critical Defense are just as effective. At night I've been experimenting with that tracer ammo Jessie James came out with. That is some fun times...lol...you can walk your rounds to the target. It makes you feel like your strafing an enemy strong hold...lol...They are spendy though. But then what isn't expensive? Everything's going up on price.
Y'all are a good combo. Make the good info actually more fun to watch & the contrast, I think drives the point home really good as well. Thx for the info and the work on a very watchable production.
2 weeks ago, I went all out and bought critical defense/critical duty for all of my carry and home defense guns. Makes me feel better seeing this video.
I do a lot of ammo testing and test them in simulated real life scenarios. I stage scenarios with auto glass and doors and/or body panels that were purchased at the junkyard and in some cases, borrowed from the junkyard for the use of ammo testing. I also have a lot of farms and ranches around me. Sometimes an animal has to be put down or dies before being harvested and the animal cannot be sold for food. They are my test mediums. The best round that I have tested and had it perform virtually flawlessly no matter what caliber was being used, what firearm and barrel length was being used and no matter if a barrier had to be penetrated or not, was the Lehigh Defense/Underwood Xtreme Defender round. Literally, on almost every test, the round performed perfectly and had the largest pwc, primary wound channel. The next best performing rounds were a tie and performed virtually identical in almost every test medium, caliber, and type of firearm used with different barrel links. Those two rounds were the Federal Premium HST rounds and Speer Gold Dot rounds. I use to carry these in my firearms until I tested the Lehigh Defense/Underwood Xtreme Defender rounds and test after test, the results all stayed the same. The department that I work for uses the Federal Premium HST rounds and if I had to only carry a hollow point round, either of these two would be my choice. The next type of round that I have tested, also still own and would recommend use of is the Hornady Critical Duty rounds. These rounds also perform great and really shine when a barrier needs to be penetrated first. But if there is no barrier as a factor, then these rounds also, still perform very well. Where they differ from the Federal Premium HST rounds and Speer Gold Dot rounds, is in round expansion. These have a tendency to only expand to around 75% to 80% of what a normal hollow point will do. But, they will perform slightly better than the other two rounds if a barrier must be penetrated first. The other ammo that I have tested and like is the Cor Bon and Cor Bon DPX ammo. I really like the ammo that Cor Bon makes too. Remington Golden Saber’s are also pretty good. Same with Winchester PDX1 Defender. In fact, in my testing, the Remington Golden Saber rounds and the Winchester PDX1 Defender rounds tested and performed very similar. If someone has a barrel that is less than 4”, and barrier penetration is not a factor, then I would recommend the Hornady Critical Duty rounds too, but only in those scenarios. One ammo that I have heard about but have never tested is Nosler Defense. I have heard a few people say that I should try and get some of that ammo and test it too. Last, with the G2 R.I.P. rounds. Please don’t ever buy that ammo! I’m really surprised this channel even mentioned the round and claimed that it is good in a few scenarios. That ammo is nothing more than a dog crap gimmick round and performs the exact opposite, in almost every way, in how you want a self defense round to perform. Please do not ever buy that piece of dog crap round and use it in your handgun. If you want to ignore everything I wrote in here that is fine. That is your choice. But if you do decide to do that, please do not ignore this last piece of advice in regards to the R.I.P. rounds. The reliability and effectiveness on those rounds is diminished many times over, when you compare them to any other self defense or even range ammo.
If you can't justify $30+ for quality self defense ammo, you probably should not be carrying. No matter what it costs, you need a proven, well established carry round. Not uncle festers reloaded stuff. Your attorney will thank you should you ever be in that situation.
I have shot feral hogs for years with all these handgun rounds and various calibers. Hornady CD doesn't penetrate that well in actual tissue but it hits like a sledgehammer. Federal HST is my favorite locally available ammo just massive wound tracks giant voids of missing tissue. Gold dots just doesn't have as an impressive wound path but it penetrates very deep UNLESS its an underwood 10mm 180gr then it's a frickin hand grenade. Winchester pdx always made a lot of bloodshot meat with wicked looking bullets that expanded massively; bigger than the rest. Never used any lehigh projectiles mostly because they're so hard to find. My preference that basically encompasses all of these traits? Corbon/barnes copper solid JHPs. I literally cannot find a fault in any copper round.
Since I would be looking for one mag of home defende and have kids over penetration has always been a big concern. So the think the HST is better on flesh as opposed to barrier?
@@Iraqveteran8888 i live in texas where they are such a pest people will pay you to hunt them. Yes we have places that charge to hunt hogs but they are despised by many people for glorifying a terrible problem. I started out felling hogs as a way to help ranchers out by trapping a few and putting them in my fridge so i figured what better way for ballistic testing on live tissue? The damage they did to everything was ridiculous. I've been charged by many a hog while carrying handguns and will tell you that a .380 g42 with 99gr HST will drop them just as well as a .45 BUT no handgun compares to a magnum pistol. 10mm has literally changed the game for me with so many 1 shot stops DRT sig 180gr jhp that i felt no need to go any further but i rock 180gr underwood gold dots for true .41mag power.
Winchester Ranger T series are also very very mean rounds. They are shaped in a way so when they expand the outer edge of the petals form a clawed talon shape. First time I shot one into a water jug and pulled it out it actually scared the shit out of me lol
I just got 2 50 round boxes of Federal HST 124 grain for $26.99 at a local police supply outlet that sells to the public. (Yes, September 2021, ammo still scarce and prices still high everywhere, but when in stock, the HSTs are cheaper than FMJ range rounds at the gun shows.
I do not agree with heavy bullet for caliber. In 9mm if your using a 147gr in a short barrel, it takes longer for a heavy bullet to get up to speed. A heavy bullet won’t get up to max speed to insure performance of the hollow point. RIP ammunition? I’d hate to be in a court room after I used that round and have a prosecutor asking why I had to use such a bullet. And what will a jury think?
My 1911 hates speer gold dots! It however loves Hornady critical duty, federal hydra shoks, which I carry critical duty in my defense pistol but you guys are right they have a ton of stuff on the market my cousin who's been a sheriff for twenty years and he uses critical duty and said to try critical defense and duty and I like the punch critical duty carries in the 45 acp
@@troytruong8246 sometimes there are bad people behind thick objects. body armor is now being worn by mass shooters. Stopping cars . many reasons. Yeah a tack hammer will drive a railroad spike but just use a sledge hammer it gets the job done right quicker. A 460 Rowland will drop someone a hell of alot quicker its like being shoot with a 44 mag.
Honestly im kind of over underwood or any super high velocity 9mm. Any critical defense or HST does the job great every time. Low recoil. Shots on target
Well guys, I have 50 years of law enforcement duty and now retired and I have shot most of the ammo you have their but our department went to the Hornady Critical Duty 135 grain and that is a awesome round.
When I sat on a grand jury we heard a case involving over penetration. Good guy was cleared in a justifiable shooting of the bad guy. The bullet went through bad guy striking a woman that was in no way involved. Good guy was charged with some serious assault charges for striking the woman. All I got when I asked the cop what kind of gun, he responded with “357”. Cop was immediately cut off by prosecutor then I got the “this is not CSI this is a grand jury lecture. Against my and one other no vote the indictment went forward and good guy was charged. Wish I knew more of the details and how it ended. That night I removed the 357’s from my snubby CCW revolver and replaced them with standard lead 38 semi wadcutters. I’m going to look into the ammo shown at the end of the video.
Joseph Roach I totally agree BUT not being privy to the details. Seeing that the good guy was cleared of shooting the bad guy. I can only assume his life was in danger and he reacted immediately defending himself. Did he even have the time to look beyond his target, if he had taken an additional few seconds to look beyond the bad guy could it have cost him his life.
If I remember right, in the early 2000 and maybe even today, the FBI used Winchester PDX1 147 grain hollow points. And the round would go through a windshield and expand like it was not going through glass. For those who don't know, PDX1 is almost the same bullet as the Winchester Black Tallen.
@@benmoyer1911 Not really, if you see someone pointing a gun at you trying to stop you or get you out of your car, or they get out of their car armed, or maybe you see someone getting assaulted, then you would shoot through glass. has happened a bunch. and there is many other reasons you may have to shoot through glass or other barriers.
@@justincase4144 I someone is coming at me in their car and I'm in my car, I don't engage in a gun fight. I becomes a car fight. If someone is being assaulted in their car and I am close enough to notice, I call 911 and try to sneak up on the bad guys back side all while using other objects as cover. Likely he'll be distracted by what he's engaged with. Either way, I would use my car as cover, not my window. You can't get a good shooting position while leaning over in your seat. That's irresponsible. There's just no good reason to shoot through glass.
@@justincase4144 shooting through other barriers like what? Like other cars or their windshields? Seriously, know the limitations of your firearm. The police don't shoot through glass at a suspect if the suspect is leaving like you see in the movies. Police take cover and only shoot when the time is right. Avoid shooting through glass if at all possible. It's just not accurate and is very dangerous if you're trying to save someone by doing so. Don't try and shoot through barriers if you recognize them. That's stupid.
I still carry 45ACP FMJ's. I've seen what it does to human targets 3 times. Been a believer ever since. It'a cheap, less chance of a hang up, some of it is pretty hot, they will penetrate and penetrate they will. Know whats on the other side of your target. That said, there's not too much velocity left on that 230 ball after smashing through a human chest and out the shoulder, there wasn't much left after entering one bad guys ribs and slamming through the other. Third one was a hip shot. Think bright white, very sharp shards of bone. Wouldn't want to step on that in the middle of the night.
@@Myrlin187 Yes I have watched the test's on those underwood round's, devastating for sure. But there was some Luck/ divine intervention . going on. I stagger underwood's and R.I.P.'s in my .380 but in bear country, 45/70 revolver.I have seen numerous deer, black bear, and other large game killed with .22 short's or lr's. Depend's on placement of shot's.....not alway's the power of the round..22 magnum will kill anything in North America if you hit it in the brain pan or between the eye's.
I Love This TH-cam Channel... The Banter Between You Guys Is Coming From 2 Guys That Are Educated In Firearms... The Banter Is Good... Your Prospective Opions Is Outstanding... Keep It Going.. You Guys Rock.
@@northernninety7 underwood is like fmj. It penetrates over 20in. There is a test on utube if i remember correctly. My brother has 9mm underwood and he gave me some. I carry it in my 9 too lol. Just saying. I dont care. Penetration is good.
@@troytruong8246 Ballistic gel isnt the same as a human body, only the skin. And you want good penetration in gel cause if a bullet is too wimpy to penetrate soft gel then a human or animal body will stop it short. But I dont even have Underwood 9mm cause its unavailable.
Hornady Critical Defense is my go to all day every day. I've carried the same rounds in the same mag for over a year and a half, and even after repeatedly chambering and swapping the top two rounds, getting wet in rain and sweat they still performed perfectly. Expansion begins at a shallow depth so you know it's stopping in the target even if it's a thin person.
Surprised that Remington golden saber wasn’t mentioned. I looked at this test of over 100 rounds in FBI testing and it was the best overall. No clogs, best penetration without over penetrating, no core separation, and doubled its diameter after expansion.
I have a pic i took for remington on their 45 golden sabers +p, 9 projectiles with nothing more than rifling scores pulled from a 440 pound pissed charging momma piggy carcass...
Spushed I use gold dots & golden sabers also just because I can find the bullets. Not so for just CD bullets which I was told are proprietary & not for sale separately.
@Andrew Smith Critical Duty 135gr +p and Federal HST 124gr +p are my go to loads......they both do excellent on the majority of ballistics tests, with the Federal round being slightly more effective for situations that don't involve hard barriers
Gabriel Peterson defense is met for short barrel guns. Duty is met for full size guns. U wont get good expansion using critical duty in a short barrel. With that being said i use critical defense in my 43x
@Andrew Smith I recommend remington 115 gr umc jhp. $30 for 100 rounds. Look up Paul harell videos on the stuff. He proves the round and Carrie's the stuff himself. Ex military guy with a serious background in firearms
I carry Hornady Critical Defense in my 9mm G3. I have Federal, Norma MHP and Sig Elite Defense also. I’ve heard in compacts the Hornady is the best. It shoots well out of shorter barrels. 🤷♂️
Glad you mentioned RIP. I also like it for home defense as I don’t want it going through bedroom walls too much. On the street I would rather have the pure stopping power.
Seems Speer Gold Dot always gets praise. My department bought it years ago when we went with .45 Sig P220ST's. We carried it for a year. When annual qualifications came up, we were shooting up the old ammo carried all year. The ammo was full of squibs. Some projectiles were not making it to the target and not penatrating the target. Turned out Speer knew about it. No recall. We got rid of all of it and went with Winchester Ranger SXT. Never had any problems from it. I have not bought Speer ammo since.
1:29 Speer Gold Dot 45GAP
5:24 Hornady 38SPCL
8:53 Underwood Xtreme Defender 45ACP
11:25 Federal HST 9mm
14:27 Winchester Defender 9mm
16:45 G2 RIP 380ACP
Not all heroes wear capes. Thank you.
On point. Thanks bro
Dude. Excellent Job. Keep it up.
I always ALWAYS look for time stamps. Thank you sir you are a valuable asset to life as we know it 🏌️♂️
It's shitty the Remington golden saber not in here
"Oh no! This is a $30 box of ammo!"
Lol oh man.
2018: federal hst "50rd boss for like 20 bucks"
2021:??? hold mah beer "your 2 is supposed to be a 5"
Lol!
Oh yeah, I just got a box of 50 rounds of .40 Remington golden Saber for 55 bucks at my local gun show
You can still get boxes of these carry rounds 30$ for 20 rounds
@@cwatson42785 That’s still pretty bad.
I always feel that these guys are giving their honest opinion without any bias, and I also appreciate the lack of politics. Thanks guys
R A what lack of politics are you talking about?
@@borkwoof696 I watch these videos to learn about firearms and related things, NOT to be force-fed someone's opinion on politics or world events.
R A this channel is full of political rants. Even this video was political with the „Mexicans“ comment
@@borkwoof696 political rants?? That's far fetched. I hear rants nightly on say the hard core lefty comedians and Hollywood stars almost daily.... These guys aren't anything compared
They do
Fed HST are great rounds. Worst “adult proof” packaging EVER.
No truer words have been spoken.
dude I hate that packaging, cut myself trying to open that stupid box. lol
I hate opening those plastic boxes. But I love those rounds. I buy them at Walmart all the time
No doubt I carry HST in multiple calibers for different guns.. and that plastic box kicks my ass every-time.. there is an actual correct way to open it though.. there is a seam hidden under the stickers.. if you slice the seam with a knife it actually opens halfway decent..
Trueeee
I use the Underwood Extreme Defender because I like the barrier blindness and the fact that it doesn't expand. In 2020 Lehigh has updated the machining process which has allowed them to drop the price a whopping 33%! $20 versus $30 for a box of 20 rounds makes me very happy!
The Underwood Defenders are really great rounds! I used to carry the Defenders but decided to switch to a different load and that load is Critcal Duty which I’ve been very happy carrying!!! The prices are better when it comes to the Critical Duty also.
I like it as my top is because a car barrier will not help you.
Gentleman, this is excellent advice that you have given on knowing what's beyond your target. As a retired law enforcement officer I have been shot at. But, because I wasn't sure I could safely return fire without injuring someone innocent I didn't shoot. We were trained to make sure that at the end of our tour of duty we returned home safely to our loved ones and that included not being charged with a accidental shooting. Excellent advice again, thank you for sharing this.
I wish more cops would think in this manner
Great info guys. I'm now carrying the Underwood Xtreme Defender 120 grain in my .45 and this video verifies my reason why I switched from the Federal Hydra-shocks that I use to use for many years, {20 plus years} I really like the Underwoods, and have found my shooting to be much more consistent and more accurate with them due to the lighter recoil than the former 230 grain were.
I agree, I’ve done the same thing for use in my Colt Defender. I also carry it in my HK45C. This Underwood ammo feeds well in my Defender and the recoil is quite manageable. It helps me maintain the highest accuracy of any round I’ve tested.
The talent of being able to say this all in one take is very impressive. The knowledge these guys have is crazy.
Anyone else here during the Pandemic and watching this video thinking "I'll carry whatever ammo I can find in stock..."? A box of cheap $10 hollow points is better than no ammo at all. Haha.
Update: I haven't seen those rounds back in stock since I ordered them... Pretty sure those $10 HP's are now triple that price at this point!
There is no HP left anywhere as of 6/2020
@@repetitivemotion - Yeah...I got lucky and found a cheap brand of HPs on some website...bought about 500 rounds and checked again a week ago...completely out.
M E what did you get?
@@repetitivemotion - Geco Red Line 9mm 124 grain HP. Damn good price...but the site has been sold out for weeks now and I've noticed other stores have pulled their listings for some ammo so I think it's going to get harder to find more. =/
In Detroit all the gun ranges and shops have basically nothing. Ranges stopped renting pistols because they don’t have the Ammo to go along with
I've always used FMJ to familiarize myself with how to shoot a particular firearm well. Then I'll always put 2 boxes of hollow points through it to be sure it cycles and it shoots on target with the ammo before I carry it.
That’s a
@@Prosecute-fauci Yeah but but it's still cheaper than breaking your new gun/mag in with hollow points, which a lot of guns/magazines have feeding problems with for the first hundred rounds or so.
@@kidthorazine What round meant for your gun will break it? The hell? Unless you are purposefully shooting hot loads or have a Cambodian made shtter, no ammo of matching caliber unless a Defective round (Due to outside reasons) should EVER "break"you firearm, at most.. It will fail to cycle or even fire. That is why we test our Carry rounds, not bc we care about a gun being broken (which should not happen) and can be replaced for money, my life cannot. I run the rounds to protect my life, not a fking gun. Should not be breaking. Lol.
@@HailWoden18 That was a typo, I meant "breaking in" A lot of guns won't reliably feed reliably until you go through a break in period. They especially tend to get hung up on hollowpoints.
@@HailWoden18 Break in. I believe it was a typo
I agree that recent advances have made the 9mm a much more potent choice than it was a decade ago and it’s usually the caliber I carry. However, people seem to forget that those same advances have been made to the other calibers as well so they too have improved.
An excellent point, but the resurgence of 9mm comes now because it is now considered a guaranteed effective round. Back in the day, the FBI requested the creation of a new caliber because of the failures 9mm to be lethal. Through a convoluted process, they eventually arrived at 40 S&W as a balance between the capacity of 9mm but the effectiveness of 45acp. That's how .40 became all the rage. However, advancements in 9mm have increased its effectiveness to the point of being considered viable. A 9mm will kill now, and that was the point in the change. In the past, you could not have relied on the 9mm to be powerful enough to kill. During the Miami shootout of 1986, which is what sparked the creation of the new caliber, suspect Michael Platt should have been killed by the 9mm he took to the chest, but it didn't penetrate far enough to hit his heart. That would no longer be the case. 9mm would have killed him if the agents had been carrying the Speer Gold Dot G2s that they now carry. So the point in switching back to 9mm isn't that it is now suddenly better than .40 or 45 as far as stopping power goes. It isn't. However, the FBI has since decided that 9mm, now being a lethal round, is good enough to be considered. If all three calibers between 9mm, 40 s&w, and 45 acp will do the job, you want the one with the highest capacity and lowest recoil. If I only get one shot, I want a .45 acp, but I'll take fifteen to twenty 9mm rounds over seven 45 acp rounds or 13 .40 S&W rounds. That's their thought process.
@@s0frl15 Actually, after the 1986 Miami shootout the FBI was asking for a more powerful round - a one shot man stopper without the recoil of the one caliber already in existence that could do that - the 357 magnum. Too many agents couldn't pass the FBI shooting qualification test with the 357 magnum ( try it) so they opted for the hi cap and low recoil of the 9mm. After Miami shootout S&W developed the 10mm for semiauto pistols. The 10mm equaled the 357 magnum in every way, met FBI ballistic standards but had the same issue of strong recoil so FBI rejected it. S&W came back with the .40S&W (cut down 10mm case) which was more powerful than the 9mm, met FBI standards and had manageable recoil. FBI adopted (police departments followed) the 40S&W and was their standard 'issue caliber' until the newer ballistic technology caught up with the 9mm - less recoil and more rounds per magazine. I really like the 'snap' of the 40S&W but I'll stick with my 45ACP 'because shooting more than twice is silly!'
One thing that very few people mention about “hollow points” is that they can be very finicky in a semi handgun. You don’t want a round that is not reliable and won’t cycle the next round. Every handgun has its favorite round. You should fire a minimum of 100 rounds of the ammo you plan on using to make sure there are no problems.
A good quality firearm should handle jhp ammo. If it doesn't function reliability; fix it or ditch it. Maintenance is extremely critical for EDC function and reliability.
@@mistermom310 it’s not the firearm or maintenance. Some projectiles on JHP ammo are just too aggressive or angular and hang up on the feed ramps of the barrels. You could either sand the chamfering on the feed ramp, ruining the finish and exposing your barrel on your defensive gun to the elements, or more simply, find a different round. Speer is very popular with law enforcement and some military for this reason, as they’re very rounded at the tip when compared to, say, the Hornady Critical Defense
@@ReqDef As a retitled LEO I carried and continue to carry Gold Dot, Winchester T series. I've never had an issue with them in my Colt, Beretta, S&W or Glock weapons.
@@mistermom310 Gold Dot is the king, in my opinion. But it all depends on a variety of factors, just happens to be the best-performing defensive ammo out of my G19 with or without the match grade barrel I like to run
You ought to but given the cost of JHP ammo, and that is if they are available, one is lucky to have enough to full a magazine. Ammo manufacturers are much more intoned to make their ammo function in a variety of guns. And gun makers have been very sensitive in making guns that will function with a variety of ammo. We don't hear as many complaints about choking on hollow points than back in the 1980s and 1990s.
I wish they would've discussed feed reliability on these rounds as well. Penetration and "hydraulic channeling" sounds cool, but reliability to feed is my #1 factor in choosing a carry round. And with all these fancy twisted hollow points and screwdriver tips, I think they should've discussed feeding as well.
Nailed it. Same issues here
Would that be too gun specific?
Bullet "goes through the victim". A bad guy is not a victim. He's the perpetrator. Let's get our terminology straight.
Victim implies unlawful discharge of a firearm, and whilst it might have been a slip or a joke we all know there are those out there that would seize on it to feed their anti 2A rhetoric
Stoner Page a victim of his own stupidity.
Said the smart ass.
Stoner Page don’t need to get butthurt over a joke. Even if the joke is true.
Stoner Page I think you need a hobby.
I was carrying Hornady 200 gr XTP in my XDE 45 but switched to the Federal HST +p 230 gr. Best round out there by far.
I use and also reload the XTP 230 grain because it's readily available for reloading. Some of these rounds do not have projectile's available for reloaders.
LOL, Chad was right about Bonded core, it IS a molecular bond, not a press fit. Chad: 1 Eric:0 BooYa!
Great video guys, thanks
all it is, is electroplating copper sulfate putting a very thin layer of copper onto the outer surface and that's the only downside is most plated bullets aka bonded are to thin and its like shooting unjacketed lead rounds not all of them are like that but alot of them are to thin.
I’m actually not wrong...lol. There’s several ways to bond a core, and yes lots of bullets are mechanically bonded. It’s much cheaper for a Bullet manufacturer to roll a knarly crimp groove and call it bonded. Also, so awesome projectiles are custom swaged and machined from solid stock like the Lehighs.
It’s a body of knowledge man. A vast body of knowledge. It’s hard to remember every tiny detail 100 percent of the time. What I do know is I’ve tested these rounds thoroughly and actually spend a couple of grand doing it. They are excellent and have their own application. I’m not a big fan of RIP
Golden Sabers black belt . .mechanical bonding ,Speer Gold Dot. . molecular bond
What is this about a "press fit jacket". How are they doing that? Electro plating to me seemed the cheapest way to put the jacket on at all. How else are they putting copper on there?
Please...Let Chad Talk and quit interrupting him... Just Sayin!!
@Dick Burns I like apples in my bum bum
@Dick Burns do you often times find yourself refering to men as delicious treats?
He will break out his S&M/B&D gear after the shoot. I am sure he has a "Bug out bag" assigned for that purpose. Starting with the ball in the mouth deal.
Fresh Fowler
“It’s fluid dynamics, man! FLUID DYNAMICS!!!!!”
These guys need a timer, stop interrupting, it's annoying!!!!!!!
Thanks for mentioning underwood ammo. They are a small manufacturer that produces rounds with Lehigh bullets that produce extraordinary ballistics. Ballistics that you can actually trust From what’s written on the label. That’s a refreshing thing the major manufacturers might get a clue about.
My gel testing differs from yours. I did not do blind barrier testing, we just placed 3 layers of denim in front of the gel. Of the 4 rounds we tested (critical defense, hst, pdx1 and older ranger t series) the critical defense had the least expansion and the expanded shape was still somewhat circular and smooth. The HST had very impressive expansion equal to both of the Winchesters. In addition to great expansion both of the Winchester rounds had sharp petals around the diameter of the expanded bullet. The older Rangers petals seemed more jagged but in almost half the rounds at least one petal separated from the bullet. In the case of the PDX1 all petals were retained. So as impressed as you were with the Critical Defense I was pretty underwhelmed.
I really want to see an updated video of this test with some of these and the new rounds on the market. I know it would be unbelievably expensive today tho. Thank you for your work. I still come back to this often.
I like the Hornady Critical Duty/Defense, absolute confidence in their quality control, never seen a primer that wasn't flush, or casing that isn't crimped just right, most importantly no failures(so far!). I've had feed problem with Sig ammo(115gr 9mm).
I'm glad someone mentioned the Duty/Defense types. They keep saying Defense in the video when talking about Duty, which I believe is the bonded one. Both are great, but Duty has the higher penetration.
My honest opinion, I’d hate to get hit by any one of these.
Derp
Me too so I go for the coolest looking ammo.. They are all effective.. Im not gonna nitpick.. Im switching from Zombie Max to the nickel plated Critical Defense or Duty...
DING! WINNER!
Bullseye
@@outlawgt3045Critical Defense for compact handguns, Critical Duty for full-size - barrel length matters, for these two types of ammo!
Also, Critical Duty was specifically developed to have a “barrier blind” performance, while Critical Defense was not (even though it can display similar results).
I'd rather pay 30$ then pay with my life 👏
Right
Gojira reading and comprehension is fundamental
Gojira It’s okay you can’t read. We get it.
You only have $20 in your bank account
@Gojira ok as in forgive him for your ignorance for he didn't know how ignorant you were. It's ok, I'm sure at least 1 person loves you.
This should be updated for fall 2020. You won't find many of those boxes for under $45 now if you can even find them.
I’d never carry R.I.P. rounds. Like they said, low on penetration, after the petals come off it has a very unimpressive wound track and I’d never want to be in a self defense shooting trial where I would have to defend using a round called R.I.P.
You know the other lawyer would harp on that all day long. You might not think it would be a big deal but to a non shooter on the jury I would be afraid that they would think I was just looking for a reason to shoot someone because of that round.
It is also not "common". If I had to go to court over a defensive shooting, I would want my attorney to be able to argue that there is nothing extreme about the ammo selected and carried. It is the same as hundreds on LE agencies all over the nation.
I have never thought about that til now. Thanks for your comment. Will be switching back to hornaday critical defense.
Rounds named defense or used by law enforcement are always are best when a trial starts.
I can only think of the medical staff chasing down all of those RIP petals. Pistol rounds often don't kill.
I do understand your point, in today's world. Ppl don't understand anything when they think they know it all. Some1 on the jury would really take it aa R.I.P. (rest in peace) when it actually stands for radically invasive projectile
Chad proves Eric wrong (AGAIN), but will he admit it - Nope! "So let's go on to our next one..." Completely ignores Chad.
Any opportunity to ignore Chad should never be wasted. What a smug excessive "Air Quotes" kind of guy . He always lights up when he sees ANY opportunity to correct Eric. He must find it so difficult to understand how Eric and to some extent Barry built this channel to the level of popularity it enjoys without any input from him.
Lol. One thing Chad will never do is turn down a chance to be a know it all. There’s plenty of ways to skin a cat. You can custom swage anything you want with lead cores and bulk jackets, you can mechanically Bond a core with an agressive cannelure, or you can plate the core with copper and bond it. There’s also any number of other closely guarded manufacturing techniques which are closely guarded trade secrets. Take your pick. You don’t want to be standing in front of any of them. 🤷🏻♂️
Smoke DeGrasse Tyson more like the bearded wonder on 'Tool Time" to Tim!
Iraqveteran8888: Eric, did you just accuse Chad of the one being a know it all??? You really need to go back and watch your videos and then look yourself in the mirror. You are the one constantly interrupting others to prove that you are the smartest one around. Your overbearing personality allows it - until someone who is more assertive is in the room (Like MAC) - then you are quite sheepish. Just watch the videos, the evidence is all there, crystal clear.
Ryan Reyes : WOW...project your home life much??? That was rude, to say the least!
I run Federal HST 124g +P because I got a case of 1000 rounds of it for $350 back in 2018.
I like to open a fresh box of shiny new bullets, dump them out and play around with them. They seem to like it too. When I go to the range, I mostly shoot the cheaper target rounds, but I always put a few of the new premiums down range before I load up a magazine for my EDC weapons. Always good to shoot them before you trust your life to them. Then I clean my gun and fondle and count the new ammo again before organizing and tucking them in for the night. I love my bullets, and I think they love me too. Now you know what a sentimental Pistolero I am. Don't tell anybody!
Eric interrupts too much. Let your brother talk man.
I said the same thing 😂 i thought they where brothers they look just alike
Its very annoying .
Well not Barry handled Eric pretty good.
Fureal
Chris Huffman no put your self out there and talk louder, great life skill.
I know its 2 years after this video was made, but i recently purchased a Ruger LCP Max .380 and i gotta say this pocket pistol is really awesome. Ive never been a fan of .380 but i wanted something i could stick in my pocket so that i dont scare anyone open carrying. Even though its a right, and very Constitutional, i dont want anyone worrying that im a danger to anyone. With that being said, i took the LCP to a relatives property to try it out. And i have got to say that the LCP is comfortable, accurate and very stylish for an affordable pistol. And i love it.
I want to find out where Chad got the "When you're too close for missiles..." Shirt?
Also, I like the fact that Speer makes a short barrel version of the Gold Dot ammo. I would be interested to watch a test of that to see if it really makes a difference.
Lucky Gunner Labs is a great resource to see how the ammo performs in ballistic gel.
I bought a lot of the "New Age "type of ammo ,Cor bon ,Liberty Civil defense ,etc,before the current shortage .I haven't seen any of them lately .I'm glad I got it when I did .Great Program !!
I like to think of ammunition like hollowpoints as collectors items. Yes they have a purpose. But they wont be here forever and will eventually be relics like the black talon.
3:57 funny you're gonna say his explanation is only adequate and go on to be wrong. He disagrees and corrects you and.. let's move on
Ya so? Its called being mature and moving on with your video after learning what he had to say about it.
Their friends, that's what I love.
@TROPIXSTARZ boomer alert. Next, hell say Lucas at Trex is a snot nosed brat because hes young 😂😂
Updated 2019 video for top carry rounds by caliber . Thx guys . Keep up the great work.
You guys are right on. Federal HST 124 grain Plus P, in my opinion, is The Top Ammo. The others you have listed are all vying for 2nd place, period! 👍👍😁😁🇺🇲🇺🇲
I carry Federal HST 147 gr. +P at work and i love those rounds.
Get it if you can find it. Federal has discontinued the HST 147gr +P. I just bought the last 7 boxes on AmmoSeek that were listed.
my dad started carrying extreme defender in 9mm. he said it worked great on a rabid dog, and he figured it'd work well on assholes with bad intentions.
Lmao
Dustin your dad seems like a smart guy and has pretty good sense of humor too.
Was he a ups driver?
@bangbang300 lol a cat this guy has to be joking
@bangbang300 oh well still you can't compare a cat to a person and why did you kill it?
If you’re buying these rounds for protection who cares the price? They’re not plinking rounds.
That's exactly how I feel I spend the extra money I carry rip rounds in all of my carry weapons except for 25 and 32 ACP. Those are full metal jacket but those are only my backups. When it comes to your life I don't care if it's $10 around there aren't range rounds like you said
The main reasons some people would care about cost is stockpiling enough for all the guns they carry or they need to test a couple of boxes for their individual gun for reliability and point of impact.
Federal HST; from all the ballistics gel tests I have seen (particularly Shooting The Bull on TH-cam), this is the best self-defense round in basically every caliber.
Need to look up comparison videos against the Xtreme Defense round. There are several out on the tubes and AP2020 Outdoors has some good ones too
I use their Micro cartridge for my snubnose for more consistent muzzle velocity. That averages around 850-900 fps out of 2 inch .38 special.
The only round that beats it is Winchester Ranger T-Series if you look at the Lucky Gunner tests.
If I were ever attack by a ballistic gel block I hope I have this round.😂
Eric’s face when chad interrupts is so funny 😂😂 he has gotten better, I’m sure they’ve talked it out lol.
Picked up 5 boxes of Hornaday custom XTP124 gr at Bass Pro shops they have no fmj but plenty of self defense rds and get this 21 bucks for 25 rd box that is the lowest price I have seen in a year
For me..Speer Gold Dot has always been my favorite and performed extremely well.
Chad’s right. The mechanical bond can result in separation more easily than the molecular bond
I'm not sure they adequately presented the difference in the two bonding types. Hey, I'm a fellow Georgian and a fan of the show way back to its beginnings but Eric has a habit of talking over Chad. They would fare better if they coordinated their presentations better.
Interesting results on the hst. Many have tested that stuff with various barriers and had unflinching reliability of expansion and consistent penetration afterwards. Wonder if your box lot was funky.
Gold Dot also comes in Law Enforcement boxes of 50 for around $20. Also Speer Lawman is the training round for the Gold Dot. SG Ammo is where I get my HP rounds.
The Winchester White Box ball ammo is a fantastic training round. Great for reloading and priced at 56$ for 200 rds at Wally World, makes it 28 cents for 165 gr 40 S&W rounds. And this load is easy on recoil but good power to match the 165 gr Gold Dots. The 180 gr Winchester bonded brass case H.P. is 20$ a box of 50 in 40 S&W also but is a close second choice for economy SD.
I wish we had your ammo prices in Canada lol
Targetsportsusa is good, too. They have Federal HST and Am Eagle, and Speer GD and Lawman.
I use Hornady ammo exclusively withe the rubber/polymer tips, hard to beat.
I have critical duty ammo in my carry gun now.
The critical Defense / Federal Hst mix is in my mag at the moment
@@traviscooper5861 Any benefits of mixing them? Which do you prefer more if you could only pick one?
Federal HST has the best ballistics the most consistently, I have hst's and some G2 rip in my mag just for fun.
Is ruger arx any good? I think they're polymer/copper 107 grain .40
Both of my carry guns are 9mm and I use 147 grain HST’s in both of them. I use +p’s in my p226 and standard pressure in my glock 43. I love both rounds. Accurate, reliable, proven, and from my own testing both are pretty devastating. I haven’t messed with any of the xtreme penetrators or defenders in anything other than a 357 MAG yet.
PLEASE get Paul Harrell on your channel!
Paul is the goat
Really informative for someone looking for ammo for their first carry gun, thanks!
I switched from HSTs 124grain to Gold Dot 124 grain p+ after doing a test between the two and saw that I can play more accurate and tighter grouped shots with gold dots. I was still giving HSTs the chance, until I had a failure to feed and that's when I decided Gold dot was for me.
HSTs are still good in my book despite the failure to feed
Must be your gun or mag because I've ran thousands of HST's in all calibers thru several different firearms and never had a malfunction. And they're very accurate as well. I also like Speer Gold Dots. My go to for carry is still Underwood Extreme Defender and HST
Don't carry anything that you haven't put a couple hundred rounds of through your gun, and you have verified that it functions reliably and accurately , and also shoots to point of aim. Thats more important than having the best hollowpoint.
spyderxtra777 you'll never convince anyone of putting a few hundred rounds of ammo through a gun at 1 buck a pop. I run 1 box through if I get a new gun or new ammo. I would think this applies more to cheap ass finicky guns. High quality pistols don't care what you feed them. (1911 excluded)
WCGwkf that’s why you shouldn’t carry ammo that’s $1 a pop, that’s what I was getting at. I carry HSTs because it comes in 50 round boxes and it’s reasonably priced for practice
spyderxtra777 most of it is though. I reload my ammo so I'm able to make stuff that's just as hot if not hotter than sd ammo. I have 147 gr and 165gr for 9mm and I load them with the fastest velocity powder to maximum and when you compare felt recoil you probably couldn't tell the difference. I know my ammo choice is reliable so I don't have any worries as all
Have fun paying thousands of dollars just testing what ammo you want to "trust". It's 2018 I think ammunition factories have it down by bow. I've shot since I was 12 years old and I'm now 22 I've shot hundreds of thousands of rounds from factories and I've NEVER had a bullet not go bang. All you have to do is weigh your ammunition to make sure it has the right amount of powder in it. I've done that for 10 years and I've never had a problem, also Don't leave ammunition in your mag or clip for 6-7 months plus and expect it to run perfectly, and for the love of God don't even start by saying that you handload and trust it more than any factory ammunition because then I'll just know your biased.
Conor the Airman hardly, I said a couple hundred rounds, and even at “a buck a shot” that’s only $200.... and I like to pay less than that for my hollow points if possible. 50 round boxes of HSTs are $30 online, cheap enough where I can buy a few boxes and practice shooting targets with them at different ranges and learn where they hit and where I have to hold to make hits. That’s all I am saying. Most people buy a box of expensive hollow points, run 10 rounds through their gun at a paper target 7 yards away then load up a mag for carry, shoot fmjs the rest of the time and call it good. I don’t feel that’s being adequately prepared but to each his own.
I choose Grizzly Cartridge JHPs in 147 grain .357 SIG for home defense/EDC and 90 grain 9mm for pocket carry. Underwood Xtreme Defender would be an excellent option for carrying while in a vehicle or for use in a .380ACP. Double Tap also makes an excellent .45ACP JHP. Check out Paul Harrell's videos if you want good information on a particular round.
.357 sig!
Honorable mentions- Ranger T and Golden Sabers. I like all those in the video but carry critical duty most. Also HydraShok rounds saved my life so there always in the mix
Love the back and forth discussion. Keeps the honesty up top!
I love how there’s just a barbed wire bat just there. Nice homage to Lucille.
Thanks!
Ive used Hornady Critical Defense, and always thought it was a good round.
Same here. I know it's expensive but in all reality, $20 and $30 boxes of ammo are only gonna tax you if you're burning these rounds down range. I was taught to use the ball ammo for practice and then invest in more mags. Then you can simply switch mags. Your defense ammo never gets spent, unless of course you're in a fight. Federal HST is what I'm carrying now. The Critical Duty and Critical Defense are just as effective. At night I've been experimenting with that tracer ammo Jessie James came out with. That is some fun times...lol...you can walk your rounds to the target. It makes you feel like your strafing an enemy strong hold...lol...They are spendy though. But then what isn't expensive? Everything's going up on price.
Yeah me too, that's all I carry in my glock 23
TheWilliam7606 Critical Duty 175gr in .40S&W is a great, low recoil round
@@nc_classics_9610 I've never seen 175 gr .40 all I ever see is 165
yeah me too got some Critical defense ammo 165gr in .40s&w and Critical Duty 175gr in 10mm in this particular brand
Y'all are a good combo. Make the good info actually more fun to watch & the contrast, I think drives the point home really good as well. Thx for the info and the work on a very watchable production.
2 weeks ago, I went all out and bought critical defense/critical duty for all of my carry and home defense guns. Makes me feel better seeing this video.
I'm a firm believer in Underwood 9mm +p+ Extreme Defender for my carry round. Awesome penetration and always stops where it's supposed to.
Underwood or DoubleTap loaded with Speer Gold Dot, Nosler Jacket Hollow Point, or Hornady XTP...Barnes Tac XP (DoubleTap).
I do a lot of ammo testing and test them in simulated real life scenarios. I stage scenarios with auto glass and doors and/or body panels that were purchased at the junkyard and in some cases, borrowed from the junkyard for the use of ammo testing. I also have a lot of farms and ranches around me. Sometimes an animal has to be put down or dies before being harvested and the animal cannot be sold for food. They are my test mediums.
The best round that I have tested and had it perform virtually flawlessly no matter what caliber was being used, what firearm and barrel length was being used and no matter if a barrier had to be penetrated or not, was the Lehigh Defense/Underwood Xtreme Defender round. Literally, on almost every test, the round performed perfectly and had the largest pwc, primary wound channel.
The next best performing rounds were a tie and performed virtually identical in almost every test medium, caliber, and type of firearm used with different barrel links. Those two rounds were the Federal Premium HST rounds and Speer Gold Dot rounds. I use to carry these in my firearms until I tested the Lehigh Defense/Underwood Xtreme Defender rounds and test after test, the results all stayed the same. The department that I work for uses the Federal Premium HST rounds and if I had to only carry a hollow point round, either of these two would be my choice.
The next type of round that I have tested, also still own and would recommend use of is the Hornady Critical Duty rounds. These rounds also perform great and really shine when a barrier needs to be penetrated first. But if there is no barrier as a factor, then these rounds also, still perform very well. Where they differ from the Federal Premium HST rounds and Speer Gold Dot rounds, is in round expansion. These have a tendency to only expand to around 75% to 80% of what a normal hollow point will do. But, they will perform slightly better than the other two rounds if a barrier must be penetrated first.
The other ammo that I have tested and like is the Cor Bon and Cor Bon DPX ammo. I really like the ammo that Cor Bon makes too. Remington Golden Saber’s are also pretty good. Same with Winchester PDX1 Defender. In fact, in my testing, the Remington Golden Saber rounds and the Winchester PDX1 Defender rounds tested and performed very similar.
If someone has a barrel that is less than 4”, and barrier penetration is not a factor, then I would recommend the Hornady Critical Duty rounds too, but only in those scenarios.
One ammo that I have heard about but have never tested is Nosler Defense. I have heard a few people say that I should try and get some of that ammo and test it too.
Last, with the G2 R.I.P. rounds. Please don’t ever buy that ammo! I’m really surprised this channel even mentioned the round and claimed that it is good in a few scenarios. That ammo is nothing more than a dog crap gimmick round and performs the exact opposite, in almost every way, in how you want a self defense round to perform. Please do not ever buy that piece of dog crap round and use it in your handgun. If you want to ignore everything I wrote in here that is fine. That is your choice. But if you do decide to do that, please do not ignore this last piece of advice in regards to the R.I.P. rounds. The reliability and effectiveness on those rounds is diminished many times over, when you compare them to any other self defense or even range ammo.
J R have you tested the extreme defender on animal carcasses? If so, details on their terminal ballistics would be much appreciated.
If you can't justify $30+ for quality self defense ammo, you probably should not be carrying. No matter what it costs, you need a proven, well established carry round. Not uncle festers reloaded stuff. Your attorney will thank you should you ever be in that situation.
I have shot feral hogs for years with all these handgun rounds and various calibers. Hornady CD doesn't penetrate that well in actual tissue but it hits like a sledgehammer. Federal HST is my favorite locally available ammo just massive wound tracks giant voids of missing tissue. Gold dots just doesn't have as an impressive wound path but it penetrates very deep UNLESS its an underwood 10mm 180gr then it's a frickin hand grenade. Winchester pdx always made a lot of bloodshot meat with wicked looking bullets that expanded massively; bigger than the rest. Never used any lehigh projectiles mostly because they're so hard to find. My preference that basically encompasses all of these traits? Corbon/barnes copper solid JHPs. I literally cannot find a fault in any copper round.
And it hits hard going through Carhartt material.
I have your profile picture as a sticker on my laptop. Its a bit weird seeing it out and about lol
Since I would be looking for one mag of home defende and have kids over penetration has always been a big concern. So the think the HST is better on flesh as opposed to barrier?
@@dmgdguds7563 depends on the caliber.
@@Iraqveteran8888 i live in texas where they are such a pest people will pay you to hunt them. Yes we have places that charge to hunt hogs but they are despised by many people for glorifying a terrible problem. I started out felling hogs as a way to help ranchers out by trapping a few and putting them in my fridge so i figured what better way for ballistic testing on live tissue? The damage they did to everything was ridiculous. I've been charged by many a hog while carrying handguns and will tell you that a .380 g42 with 99gr HST will drop them just as well as a .45 BUT no handgun compares to a magnum pistol. 10mm has literally changed the game for me with so many 1 shot stops DRT sig 180gr jhp that i felt no need to go any further but i rock 180gr underwood gold dots for true .41mag power.
Winchester Ranger T series are also very very mean rounds. They are shaped in a way so when they expand the outer edge of the petals form a clawed talon shape. First time I shot one into a water jug and pulled it out it actually scared the shit out of me lol
Dude, LOVE the representation of the .45 GAP! It's a great cartridge, and it's too bad it never took off.
I think you guys are trying to say that "A lawyer is attached to every round discharged". Great vids guys as usual.
I just got 2 50 round boxes of Federal HST 124 grain for $26.99 at a local police supply outlet that sells to the public. (Yes, September 2021, ammo still scarce and prices still high everywhere, but when in stock, the HSTs are cheaper than FMJ range rounds at the gun shows.
I do not agree with heavy bullet for caliber. In 9mm if your using a 147gr in a short barrel, it takes longer for a heavy bullet to get up to speed. A heavy bullet won’t get up to max speed to insure performance of the hollow point.
RIP ammunition? I’d hate to be in a court room after I used that round and have a prosecutor asking why I had to use such a bullet. And what will a jury think?
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Why dont you do that? This is free content
My 1911 hates speer gold dots! It however loves Hornady critical duty, federal hydra shoks, which I carry critical duty in my defense pistol but you guys are right they have a ton of stuff on the market my cousin who's been a sheriff for twenty years and he uses critical duty and said to try critical defense and duty and I like the punch critical duty carries in the 45 acp
Thanks for the video. I've been packing Hornady for 8 or 9 years... I think I'll continue. But now I have some others to check out. Thanks Again!
All I have to say is, UNDERWOOD!!!
460 Rowland
10mm
.380 n 9mm is more than enough stopping power. Why carry big n heavy rounds? Cc firearms should be light compact n comfortable.
@@troytruong8246 sometimes there are bad people behind thick objects. body armor is now being worn by mass shooters. Stopping cars . many reasons. Yeah a tack hammer will drive a railroad spike but just use a sledge hammer it gets the job done right quicker. A 460 Rowland will drop someone a hell of alot quicker its like being shoot with a 44 mag.
Honestly im kind of over underwood or any super high velocity 9mm. Any critical defense or HST does the job great every time. Low recoil. Shots on target
Well guys, I have 50 years of law enforcement duty and now retired and I have shot most of the ammo you have their but our department went to the Hornady Critical Duty 135 grain and that is a awesome round.
When I sat on a grand jury we heard a case involving over penetration. Good guy was cleared in a justifiable shooting of the bad guy. The bullet went through bad guy striking a woman that was in no way involved. Good guy was charged with some serious assault charges for striking the woman. All I got when I asked the cop what kind of gun, he responded with “357”. Cop was immediately cut off by prosecutor then I got the “this is not CSI this is a grand jury lecture. Against my and one other no vote the indictment went forward and good guy was charged. Wish I knew more of the details and how it ended. That night I removed the 357’s from my snubby CCW revolver and replaced them with standard lead 38 semi wadcutters. I’m going to look into the ammo shown at the end of the video.
Chris Schmeelk Arizona
Be aware of your target and what's beyond it. It's not just about hunting
Joseph Roach I totally agree BUT not being privy to the details. Seeing that the good guy was cleared of shooting the bad guy. I can only assume his life was in danger and he reacted immediately defending himself. Did he even have the time to look beyond his target, if he had taken an additional few seconds to look beyond the bad guy could it have cost him his life.
@@zivendine I get it. I don't think he should be charged but the other guy should of.
If I remember right, in the early 2000 and maybe even today, the FBI used Winchester PDX1 147 grain hollow points. And the round would go through a windshield and expand like it was not going through glass. For those who don't know, PDX1 is almost the same bullet as the Winchester Black Tallen.
If a person is shooting through windshields then it would be hard to claim and defend as self defense.
@@benmoyer1911 Not really, if you see someone pointing a gun at you trying to stop you or get you out of your car, or they get out of their car armed, or maybe you see someone getting assaulted, then you would shoot through glass. has happened a bunch. and there is many other reasons you may have to shoot through glass or other barriers.
@@justincase4144 I someone is coming at me in their car and I'm in my car, I don't engage in a gun fight. I becomes a car fight. If someone is being assaulted in their car and I am close enough to notice, I call 911 and try to sneak up on the bad guys back side all while using other objects as cover. Likely he'll be distracted by what he's engaged with. Either way, I would use my car as cover, not my window. You can't get a good shooting position while leaning over in your seat. That's irresponsible. There's just no good reason to shoot through glass.
@@justincase4144 shooting through other barriers like what? Like other cars or their windshields? Seriously, know the limitations of your firearm. The police don't shoot through glass at a suspect if the suspect is leaving like you see in the movies. Police take cover and only shoot when the time is right. Avoid shooting through glass if at all possible. It's just not accurate and is very dangerous if you're trying to save someone by doing so. Don't try and shoot through barriers if you recognize them. That's stupid.
I still carry 45ACP FMJ's. I've seen what it does to human targets 3 times. Been a believer ever since. It'a cheap, less chance of a hang up, some of it is pretty hot, they will penetrate and penetrate they will. Know whats on the other side of your target. That said, there's not too much velocity left on that 230 ball after smashing through a human chest and out the shoulder, there wasn't much left after entering one bad guys ribs and slamming through the other. Third one was a hip shot. Think bright white, very sharp shards of bone. Wouldn't want to step on that in the middle of the night.
Eric always has to be right, or at least think he is. It's a shame that most of the time he's dead wrong.
17:22 He's just telling you what he likes.
It is funny
Penetrator round: when you want to kill an aggressor and everyone behind him.
From Car to Car combat lehigh is your Cartridge, or more than one person in line both armed!!!👍
For the first time ever reported a grizzly bear was killed with a 9 mm in Alaska last year it was extreme penetrators.
@@Myrlin187 Yes I have watched the test's on those underwood round's, devastating for sure. But there was some Luck/ divine intervention . going on. I stagger underwood's and R.I.P.'s in my .380 but in bear country, 45/70 revolver.I have seen numerous deer, black bear, and other large game killed with .22 short's or lr's. Depend's on placement of shot's.....not alway's the power of the round..22 magnum will kill anything in North America if you hit it in the brain pan or between the eye's.
Myrlin187 grizzly have been killed with a well placed .22
Frank Atchison can I ask why you stagger your ammo? I've not heard of people doing that
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Underwood ammo is my favorite. 15.99 for 20 9mm +p rounds (124grain).
Same I got the gold dots in my 45. Cant find any for my 9 unfortunately.
Underwoood for 9mm will over penetrate. I have it for my g42 380. Best cc round for 380
@@troytruong8246 How do you know?
@@northernninety7 underwood is like fmj. It penetrates over 20in. There is a test on utube if i remember correctly. My brother has 9mm underwood and he gave me some. I carry it in my 9 too lol. Just saying. I dont care. Penetration is good.
@@troytruong8246 Ballistic gel isnt the same as a human body, only the skin. And you want good penetration in gel cause if a bullet is too wimpy to penetrate soft gel then a human or animal body will stop it short. But I dont even have Underwood 9mm cause its unavailable.
Boy, these days i would be happy just to find some ball ammo. 🥺
Lmao
got that right just left acadmenty 50 men waiting outside 25 didnt get ammo
@@MrWeb49 dam man
Remington to the rescue. Prices and availability will stabalize soon.
My first choice for SD pistol caliber rounds is Underwood Xtreme Defender I also use Liberty Civil Defense, worth trying a box IMO.
Hornady Critical Defense is my go to all day every day. I've carried the same rounds in the same mag for over a year and a half, and even after repeatedly chambering and swapping the top two rounds, getting wet in rain and sweat they still performed perfectly. Expansion begins at a shallow depth so you know it's stopping in the target even if it's a thin person.
I sometimes have the Critical Duty in mine because it has a sealed primer.
What pistol are you using?
Surprised that Remington golden saber wasn’t mentioned. I looked at this test of over 100 rounds in FBI testing and it was the best overall. No clogs, best penetration without over penetrating, no core separation, and doubled its diameter after expansion.
I have a pic i took for remington on their 45 golden sabers +p, 9 projectiles with nothing more than rifling scores pulled from a 440 pound pissed charging momma piggy carcass...
Spushed I use gold dots & golden sabers also just because I can find the bullets. Not so for just CD bullets which I was told are proprietary & not for sale separately.
I think that's out of a 38 though, I've shot them out of my 357 and they do the dirty work well!!
I been watching your episodes for the longest. I enjoy all. And gave learned a lot. Keep up the good work. You Georgia Boy are great.
Been using sig v-crown in my 9mm and my .357 sig....
@Bob White I've had problems with critical duty jamming against the feed ramp, not a fan
I've got lots of sig vcrown as well. I'm curious what they think of them.
Ha! I knew I would find this comment! It’s what I use too. Good price, easy to find , and my 1911 seems to like it
Yup, I use the v-crown in a sig 220 and always have good performance
Normally I carry Hornady Critical Defense in my 9mm and 40 S&W or Federal Hydra Shok.
Paul check into the critical defense....they have very poor performance in ballistics tests.....if you like hornady try the critical duty
@Andrew Smith Critical Duty 135gr +p and Federal HST 124gr +p are my go to loads......they both do excellent on the majority of ballistics tests, with the Federal round being slightly more effective for situations that don't involve hard barriers
Gabriel Peterson defense is met for short barrel guns. Duty is met for full size guns. U wont get good expansion using critical duty in a short barrel. With that being said i use critical defense in my 43x
@Andrew Smith I recommend remington 115 gr umc jhp. $30 for 100 rounds. Look up Paul harell videos on the stuff. He proves the round and Carrie's the stuff himself. Ex military guy with a serious background in firearms
mike Robbins thank you
I carry Hornady Critical Defense in my 9mm G3. I have Federal, Norma MHP and Sig Elite Defense also. I’ve heard in compacts the Hornady is the best. It shoots well out of shorter barrels. 🤷♂️
I'm Digging the "Fender" Cap... i play Fenders myself...lol
The Johnny Damgerously quote was classy! Made my day!
I haven’t seen 9mm HST for $26 for a 20 round box. Even buying 1000 round lots is about $.80+ per round through AmmoSeek.
"If You Don't Know what Speer Gold-Dot Is, You Must Have Been Living Under a Rock or Something" LMAO...
Wow that's something they said.🙂
Accurate lol
Sorry must of been under a rock.
Attempting to learn.
Diggin' the FENDER cap on Eric!
Glad you mentioned RIP. I also like it for home defense as I don’t want it going through bedroom walls too much. On the street I would rather have the pure stopping power.
Critical duty +p is in mine, works good!
I carry Critical Defense in my Shield 9mm. Stuff just works
Good gun good ammo 👍
@@tanman7879 thanks. Also got some 147 grain Golden Sabers which work great
I love the critical defense, and the shield.
Seems Speer Gold Dot always gets praise. My department bought it years ago when we went with .45 Sig P220ST's. We carried it for a year. When annual qualifications came up, we were shooting up the old ammo carried all year. The ammo was full of squibs. Some projectiles were not making it to the target and not penatrating the target. Turned out Speer knew about it. No recall. We got rid of all of it and went with Winchester Ranger SXT. Never had any problems from it. I have not bought Speer ammo since.
Heavier bullets tend to not expand very well because of lack of velocity. I think the sweet spot for 9mm is 124 gr..
124gr +p Speer gold dot for me