Very pleasant news to learn that Lehigh Defense has come to the WC family. After much research, I concluded that the Xtreme Defender is a solid defensive round that can stop a threat while minimizing the worry of overpenetration that risks unintended collateral damage.
I carry these in my 10mm when I’m in the mountains. In that caliber it’ll prolly work on bad guy’s, Bears or ‘Squatch. Because you just never know what you’re liable to come across in the Appalachian Mountains.
East Tennessee here! I wouldn't worry about the bears or Bigfoot, its the freakin meth heads I'd be more concerned about. I had a park ranger tell me a few years ago, people have been going up to the more secluded camp grounds and making meth in tents! Always carry, stay safe and God bless!
@@WD-hd1vw depends (as always) on the skill and experience of the operator. I’m a competitive shooter and NRA Instructor for over 35 years and before that an infantry captain. Yes, the recoil on Bear/Squatch level loads is stout. You’re not going to pull off a mag dump as fast as either a 9mm or .45ACP. But with proper grip and stance, it can be done and done accurately.
The Greenland Army has for years routinely used Glock 20 and its 10mm to stop polar bears. With historic bullets and loads, it might take 5 shots and the polar bear might get within 5 feet of you, but the Greenland Army (last I knew) has kept using 10mm out of Glock 20. Wouldn't be surprised if they transitioned to 10 mm out of Glock 40 sometime.
@@ExSoldier762 Well said, thankfully most people don't know about 45 super and the ability to apply it in any 1911 45acp or any good 45acp polymer frame with the proper considerations like does the pistol have a steel guide rod and heavy recoil spring from factory like most Kahr 45acp such as cw45, cm and pm 45 models. The most important aspect for safely implimenting 45 super out of the 45acp is just ensuring it has a fully supported chamber, most older gen Glock for example do not. 10mm and 45 super are pretty equally matched as far as energy from lbs but the 45 can still take the biggest pill up to 255gr moving out at up to about 800 or slightly over ft lbs of muzzle energy. A little non secret best left unspoken for the most part, as there's always someone who'll try it in a critically under qualified piece which could be a very bad day and perhaps their last day. When in doubt don't even try it is best advice on running 45 super for sure.
Hopefully that means availability is going to go up?! Been a fan and shooting and promoting Lehigh Defense for years. Underwood is a big part of that as well.
Just picked up some Underwood 68gr +p 9mm Xtreme Defender. Really impressive bullet to hold. Makes it really light to carry 17+1 magazine when compared to a 124 or 147gr.
If I may be so bold as to make a suggestion:: If it was me that bought out an ammo company I would send about 50 rounds of each projectile type along with 50 rounds of the 2 best competitor brands to Paul Harrell & ask him to do a comparison video .... paul does good job with his videos imo and I think his ""meat"" targets are much more relative than ballistic gel for a real world test (granted gel is good for a same as test) but the meat target gives a more realist outcome true they are not all the same everytime but niether are the thugs that attack (they could be a 95 pound female a 170 pound female or a 150 pound guy or a 300 pound guy can be fat or lean a muscle builder type or couch potato who knows) & Paul Harrels meat target gives as close to an actual body (imo) as you can get without having an a tual body to shoot (most hopefully all of us dont want an actual body too shoot I know I dont but it's good to have an idea of the performance you projectile will give & imo Paul gives a very close idea of that Thx for your videos
I switched to the defender ammunition about three years ago, really interesting to see what Wilson will do with this company. Excellent presentation thank you for your time posting this content.
I used the 150 gr .410 in my 7 1/2 “ Redhawk 41 Mag. in our slug zone. The buck I shot openning morning dropped in his tracks. Something that a 12 ga sabot doesn’t do. Very impressive.
I have been carrying these bullets in the Underwood ammo brand. Used to be Lehigh only sold the bullets. But I highly recommend them. Used to carry HydoSchok rounds. But these just perform better under more circumstances...
I have both a 45 Colt pistol and rifle. Lehigh Defense's 220 grain Maximum Expansion, 220 grain Xtreme Defender, and their 250 grain Xtreme Penetrator are the only bullets I have ever shot through them so far, or ever plain to. Nice to know Wilson Combat has great taste in bullets too.
I just received my 90gr extreme defense, 1550fps 480 / 500 ish ft lb of muzzle. My purchase was the Lehigh defense by Underwood brand +p+ line of the same projectile. This effectively makes the 9mm absolutely a capable woods carry for the potential random black bear attack or Sasquatch if he's feelin froggy he can go ahead and jump. Thanks Wilson combat, Lehigh defense and Underwood, you're all supplying American's with a quality product.
I just ordered the Underwood Extreme Defender in 380 using them in a Glock 42. I saw substantial bullet setback after only 1 racking. Am I doing something wrong?
Sounds like you explained the extreme penetrator & the defender in the reverse order. I was told penetrator was just that, extreme penetrator and defense was just that defense semi-penetrator. Please clear that up for us.
To be honest, I'm glad Wilson Combat has purchased Lehigh because it validates my choice of carry ammo, the Underwood loading of the Lehigh 9mm 90 gr. Xtreme Defense. Hey, if Bill Wilson believes in it, then that's going to be a huge boost for the concept! This +P+ loading produces an average 1396 fps in my Glock 26, my carry gun of choice. I also use this ammo in my AMT .380 Backup, which prior to getting the Underwood loading, I never carried without serious doubts regarding it's effectiveness with standard ammo, even using Speer Gold Dots, always my second choice if the Lehigh bullets are not available to me. I am now confident the little .380 will do it's job without issue. Between my own testing and what I have seen online, I became convinced the concept of the fluted bullets was sound... and downright deadly! I honestly cannot think of any bullet I would rather have in a self defense firearm than the Lehigh Xtreme Defence and if Mas and Bill start carrying it, then you know it's got to be good! So come on guys, are your carry mags now loaded with the best bullet money can buy or are one or both of still on the fence? I now have them in my .380, 9mm's, .38 Special (standard pressure) and .45 ACP's. The only one I have yet to change over is .357 mag (currently loaded with the 125 Speer Gold Dot) and that is mainly because I no longer stage revolvers for self defense purposes, although I intend to get some .357 to load, just in case. I honestly believe that a better self defense bullet cannot be had from anyone for any price! Probably nothing as good either, although I still have great confidence in the Speer Gold Dot. Long live Lehigh & Wilson Combat! Cheers, jc
The Lehigh Defense LONG COPPER HOLLOW POINT made for 45 Long Colts chambered in Taurus Judge and Smith & Wesson Governor revolvers that take up the cylinder length almost. Also fits in 460 S&W magnum X-frame revolvers. Hope you keep it factory made.
Bill and Massad… i just received 2 boxes of Extreme Defense 9mm for my daily carry. G26 and One boxes of .380 Extreme Defense for my wife’s weapon. Thank you by the way. When I first opened the box… my question was have you had any trouble running these through any of weapon’s. I mean… getting caught in the chamber path. Thanks you your response. I true enjoy the information from all your experience. Keep it up!
Hi Bill I love the solid Cooper Xtreme Defense loads. The only drawback is bullet setback. I hope y'all can engineer a way to solve that problem. Much success for your company.
I use the Hornady Critical Duty 135gr 9mm +P because that's what our Sheriff's Department use. Advice you gave us long ago Mr Ayoob. The .300 AAC I keep for home defense has the 220 gr OTM Sub Sonics.
I noticed the 10mm Xtreme Penetrator projectiles for handloading changed weights. I'd love to hear the reasoning behind that. I see 115, 140, 150, and 185-grain projectiles for now.
Bill, It comes to my attention that if you go to the Berryville Facility you likely go through Russellville in Arkansas. On the off chance you do, and your feeling hungry when you do, stop by Fat Daddy's BBQ in Russellville and I'll hook you up with Arkansas best BBQ I ain't gunna lie, it don't compare to Texas, but our steaks are too notch
That's because underwood has a contract with them. I prefer the underwood loaded ammo because in the business I'm in I need a nice safe hot load and underwood is in the top of that category!
Do these revive 45 ACP/45 Super? The traditional JHP loaded to 45 Super velocity tends to over expand or have jacket separation resulting in not enough penetration. What do the wound cavities look like from the 45 Super Xtreme Defender? I keep hearing about this 2016/2017 Joint Agency ballistic test. But it is a "sanitized" version that does not show much information.
Could you guys develop a max expansion bullet for pistols? I still have about a magazine of the old 10mm Controlled Fracturing loaded by Underwood and I just ordered a box of Extreme Penetrators for my third "oh shit, I'm in a real fight" magazine, but it would be nice to have some high performance hollow points that aren't produced by Speer (great bullet, but they're hard to come by).
Great buy bill been using the loads for a while now and there the cats meow underwood has got the name out there and have good loads. Love the 308 both rounds are great for mule dear up here in Washington state good luck buddy and awesome buy my friend
I've been reluctant to risk the use of some of what I call "gimmick bullets" for self defense, relying instead on premium conventional hollow points that I have tested extensively when I was in law enforcement. But I've seen some pretty impressive tests with Lehigh ammunition, and now that Bill owns the company and has lent his reputation to the brand, I'm more likely to try them out. Knowing him as I do, I do not think that Mas Ayoob would lend his presence to a video promoting defense ammo if he didn't think it would work. I'm not saying that I will necessarily give up my HST's and Gold Dots, just that after testing Lehigh might make my list as well.
Please tell us what your brand name for these solid copper rounds are. I heard you were marketing them as Underwood and I bought some for my Glock 42 380acp. However I had excessive bullet setback in only racking them into the chamber 1x. Am I buying from the wrong company?
Just bought some of the 95 grain, the 110 grain and the 194 grain 300blk variants. If the cycle from my Aug a3m1 I will be going into debt to buy thousands of rounds….
I would be interesting to find out how well the Lehigh defensive handgun bullet does on medium-size game, if that could be done. Or perhaps in .44 magnum on hogs. I think that's important for defensive bullets that haven't had time to acquire a track record in defensive shootings.
Having the God of Firearms and self defense Massad Ayoob on here says alot . I would bet my life on that man's knowledge . If he says those bullets will do the job then I trust him .
I would love to buy some of these. however they are for reloading and if you can't find primers then we can't reload anymore. do you make them already loaded from the factory?
Just bought some underwood extreme penetrator 380. $23 for a box of 20 plus tax and shipping. Paul liked it for shorter barrels but for longer barrels liked other options better. Should be noted, as I understand it, this round is not supposed to expand. The structure of the bullet by itself is supposed to do the dirty work.
It seems like Bill Wilson has the notion that lawn enforcement could potentially use this ammunition in the future and decided to purchase it to sell to them.
Would you consider making Lehigh Controlled Choas in .357 Magnum and maybe +P for a revolver? And for a .45 ACP Pistol? I didn't see Controlled Fracturing or Maximum Expansion for either one, either. Lead-Free sounds good to me. This would be for Personal Defense with a S&W .357 Magnum 4" 586 (I'm pretty sure 586) and a Glock 21 Gen 4. I prefer Hollow Points, so these would be great. I'm no so interested in throughput by a remainder wad cutter base, but expansion for stopping. A .357 Magnum Hollow Point is more likely to stop before exiting because of the expansion, according to what I've seen and read. Thanks
@@nmr6988 Yes but I also have a subwoofer. If I turn down the volume I won't be able to hear what they are saying. Now that I look at it I actually have a bass knob too. But the audio just sounds bad overall. But, yes, you are right I could turn down my bass knob. I think it would still sound bad though.
I think I just found my new EDC ammo. I live in both New Jersey and South Carolina. To stay legal in New Jersey my EDC's are Hornady Critical Duty in both 135 grain 357 & 135 grain 9mm+p. I will switch to the 9mm Extreme Defense. Is there any plans for a 357 Magnum Extreme Defense loading in the future. I am sure it would be a winner also. Bob
I heard Bill Wilson say the bullets would be sold by several consumer companies such as Brownell 's but when I called them they didnt know they had such a product. Anyone know how or rather where to order them. I have some Underwood Extreme Defender in 389 for my Glick 42 bur bullet setback is really bad on those.
I have been looking for some 9mm Makarov 9x18mm defensive ammo and noticed that all I can find available from Underwood in stock is Extreme Penetrator instead of Extreme Defense. I find this interesting because the Extreme Penetrator is ostensibly a hunting round so why is Underwood making the majority of their Makarov rounds in the Extreme Penetrator version? Are there really people out there hunting with the 9x18mm? Or is it that the Extreme Penetrator is more suited to self-defense applications with the 9mm Makarov? Maybe all the Extreme Defense has been sold out and the Extreme Penetrator is all that is on the shelves since it is unsuited to both defensive use and hunting since nobody uses the 9x18mm Makarov for hunting?
I am curious about how the Xtreme Defense, say in 9mm, performs in urban environments. I gotta wonder about overpenetration in apartment buildings and homes with off-target rounds.
I had no clue that Wilson combat acquired Lehigh. That's a bombshell into the center of the industry. Long live Bill.
What!!!!!!! Where he u ben at
Can't wait for Paul Harrell to try out those new rifle bullets on his meat target.
With only one caveat.
No Pop Tart is safe
I'm a fan of the meat target as well.
Very pleasant news to learn that Lehigh Defense has come to the WC family.
After much research, I concluded that the Xtreme Defender is a solid defensive round that can stop a threat while minimizing the worry of overpenetration that risks unintended collateral damage.
I carry these in my 10mm when I’m in the mountains. In that caliber it’ll prolly work on bad guy’s, Bears or ‘Squatch. Because you just never know what you’re liable to come across in the Appalachian Mountains.
East Tennessee here! I wouldn't worry about the bears or Bigfoot, its the freakin meth heads I'd be more concerned about. I had a park ranger tell me a few years ago, people have been going up to the more secluded camp grounds and making meth in tents! Always carry, stay safe and God bless!
How much worse (or how much different) is the recoil on a 10mm???
@@WD-hd1vw depends (as always) on the skill and experience of the operator. I’m a competitive shooter and NRA Instructor for over 35 years and before that an infantry captain. Yes, the recoil on Bear/Squatch level loads is stout. You’re not going to pull off a mag dump as fast as either a 9mm or .45ACP. But with proper grip and stance, it can be done and done accurately.
The Greenland Army has for years routinely used Glock 20 and its 10mm to stop polar bears. With historic bullets and loads, it might take 5 shots and the polar bear might get within 5 feet of you, but the Greenland Army (last I knew) has kept using 10mm out of Glock 20. Wouldn't be surprised if they transitioned to 10 mm out of Glock 40 sometime.
@@ExSoldier762 Well said, thankfully most people don't know about 45 super and the ability to apply it in any 1911 45acp or any good 45acp polymer frame with the proper considerations like does the pistol have a steel guide rod and heavy recoil spring from factory like most Kahr 45acp such as cw45, cm and pm 45 models. The most important aspect for safely implimenting 45 super out of the 45acp is just ensuring it has a fully supported chamber, most older gen Glock for example do not. 10mm and 45 super are pretty equally matched as far as energy from lbs but the 45 can still take the biggest pill up to 255gr moving out at up to about 800 or slightly over ft lbs of muzzle energy. A little non secret best left unspoken for the most part, as there's always someone who'll try it in a critically under qualified piece which could be a very bad day and perhaps their last day. When in doubt don't even try it is best advice on running 45 super for sure.
Hopefully that means availability is going to go up?! Been a fan and shooting and promoting Lehigh Defense for years. Underwood is a big part of that as well.
Excited about this acquisition and look forward to supporting by purchasing this ammo
Lehigh defense has brought 380acp and short barrel 38slp. 9mm. 45acp Handguns back to life. I hope this American company grows as big as Winchester.
It's so awesome you acquired this brand!! Mixing Lehigh Defense with Wilson Combat is an Amazing Recipe!!! 👍🏻👍🏻🤗🤗
Are these sold as Underwood or Wilson Combat or still Lehigh?
I’m a big fan of this ammo, which I use for .380, 9mm, and .45acp. I didn’t realize you now owned the name.👍👍
Just picked up some Underwood 68gr +p 9mm Xtreme Defender. Really impressive bullet to hold. Makes it really light to carry 17+1 magazine when compared to a 124 or 147gr.
If I may be so bold as to make a suggestion::
If it was me that bought out an ammo company I would send about 50 rounds of each projectile type along with 50 rounds of the 2 best competitor brands to Paul Harrell & ask him to do a comparison video .... paul does good job with his videos imo and I think his ""meat"" targets are much more relative than ballistic gel for a real world test (granted gel is good for a same as test) but the meat target gives a more realist outcome true they are not all the same everytime but niether are the thugs that attack (they could be a 95 pound female a 170 pound female or a 150 pound guy or a 300 pound guy can be fat or lean a muscle builder type or couch potato who knows) & Paul Harrels meat target gives as close to an actual body (imo) as you can get without having an a tual body to shoot (most hopefully all of us dont want an actual body too shoot I know I dont but it's good to have an idea of the performance you projectile will give & imo Paul gives a very close idea of that
Thx for your videos
I switched to the defender ammunition about three years ago, really interesting to see what Wilson will do with this company. Excellent presentation thank you for your time posting this content.
I like the way Mr. Wilson skirts the question with , they're competitive priced lol nice 👍
Hopefully they keep the south Dakota plant open or someone else takes over. I would hate to see people get laid off.
I used the 150 gr .410 in my 7 1/2 “ Redhawk 41 Mag. in our slug zone. The buck I shot openning morning dropped in his tracks. Something that a 12 ga sabot doesn’t do. Very impressive.
I have been carrying these bullets in the Underwood ammo brand. Used to be Lehigh only sold the bullets. But I highly recommend them. Used to carry HydoSchok rounds. But these just perform better under more circumstances...
Impressive product line
I have both a 45 Colt pistol and rifle. Lehigh Defense's 220 grain Maximum Expansion, 220 grain Xtreme Defender, and their 250 grain Xtreme Penetrator are the only bullets I have ever shot through them so far, or ever plain to. Nice to know Wilson Combat has great taste in bullets too.
I wondered why the prices escalated so much, corporate greed at its worst!!!
I just received my 90gr extreme defense, 1550fps 480 / 500 ish ft lb of muzzle. My purchase was the Lehigh defense by Underwood brand +p+ line of the same projectile. This effectively makes the 9mm absolutely a capable woods carry for the potential random black bear attack or Sasquatch if he's feelin froggy he can go ahead and jump. Thanks Wilson combat, Lehigh defense and Underwood, you're all supplying American's with a quality product.
1000% Agreed….! I’ll be buying some….
I wish you had described angular momentum a little. They're basically supersonic drill bits. The flutes transfer the energy and disrupt tissue.
I know they only make bullets but can you guys build a primer factory too.
I'm very interested in pistol rounds as I've been using the Underwood loading of Lehigh bullets. I carry them in 380 and 9mm, Extreme Defender type.
I just ordered the Underwood Extreme Defender in 380 using them in a Glock 42. I saw substantial bullet setback after only 1 racking. Am I doing something wrong?
Sounds like an interesting idea. I have always meant to try them but never got around to it. now I will surely try them since Wilson is involved.
Nice ammo - I will be looking for some . Gun shop and catalog . Thanks fellas . Bob , Florida .
Sounds like you explained the extreme penetrator & the defender in the reverse order. I was told penetrator was just that, extreme penetrator and defense was just that defense semi-penetrator. Please clear that up for us.
Interesting wonder how it will work out in the longrun
To be honest, I'm glad Wilson Combat has purchased Lehigh because it validates my choice of carry ammo, the Underwood loading of the Lehigh 9mm 90 gr. Xtreme Defense. Hey, if Bill Wilson believes in it, then that's going to be a huge boost for the concept! This +P+ loading produces an average 1396 fps in my Glock 26, my carry gun of choice. I also use this ammo in my AMT .380 Backup, which prior to getting the Underwood loading, I never carried without serious doubts regarding it's effectiveness with standard ammo, even using Speer Gold Dots, always my second choice if the Lehigh bullets are not available to me. I am now confident the little .380 will do it's job without issue. Between my own testing and what I have seen online, I became convinced the concept of the fluted bullets was sound... and downright deadly! I honestly cannot think of any bullet I would rather have in a self defense firearm than the Lehigh Xtreme Defence and if Mas and Bill start carrying it, then you know it's got to be good! So come on guys, are your carry mags now loaded with the best bullet money can buy or are one or both of still on the fence?
I now have them in my .380, 9mm's, .38 Special (standard pressure) and .45 ACP's. The only one I have yet to change over is .357 mag (currently loaded with the 125 Speer Gold Dot) and that is mainly because I no longer stage revolvers for self defense purposes, although I intend to get some .357 to load, just in case. I honestly believe that a better self defense bullet cannot be had from anyone for any price! Probably nothing as good either, although I still have great confidence in the Speer Gold Dot.
Long live Lehigh & Wilson Combat!
Cheers,
jc
Nice Acquisition.
Thanks!
The Lehigh Defense LONG COPPER HOLLOW POINT made for 45 Long Colts chambered in Taurus Judge and Smith & Wesson Governor revolvers that take up the cylinder length almost. Also fits in 460 S&W magnum X-frame revolvers. Hope you keep it factory made.
Bill and Massad… i just received 2 boxes of Extreme Defense 9mm for my daily carry. G26 and One boxes of .380 Extreme Defense for my wife’s weapon. Thank you by the way. When I first opened the box… my question was have you had any trouble running these through any of weapon’s. I mean… getting caught in the chamber path. Thanks you your response. I true enjoy the information from all your experience. Keep it up!
I've shot hundreds of the 9mm defenders through my HK, Canik, and Ruger Carbine. Never once had a malfunction
I have had bullet setback in 380 Glock42 with the Underwood. I don't know if that is the same as the Wilson Combat owned Lehigh round.
Thanks for the great information.
Glad it was helpful!
Awesome stuff
Hell yeah I carry them extreme penetrator in my 1911 in 45 TWO HOLES are better than one
Impressive!!
Hi Bill
I love the solid Cooper Xtreme Defense loads. The only drawback is bullet setback. I hope y'all can engineer a way to solve that problem. Much success for your company.
Xtreme Defender 357 Sig, 68grn. No Doubts.
I use the Hornady Critical Duty 135gr 9mm +P because that's what our Sheriff's Department use. Advice you gave us long ago Mr Ayoob.
The .300 AAC I keep for home defense has the 220 gr OTM Sub Sonics.
Why the reupload? Was the video changed somehow?
WC knows what's up 👍👍
Also their AR trigger packs are the best available, just FYI 👌
Right on
Just bought some of each, rifle and pistol. Can't wait to try them out!
Yehaw from Texas
I noticed the 10mm Xtreme Penetrator projectiles for handloading changed weights. I'd love to hear the reasoning behind that. I see 115, 140, 150, and 185-grain projectiles for now.
Definitely trying some in the 308 this hunting season.
Will a variation be available for 30-30?
Ooo I sure hope so ! 30-30 is my favorite woods/forest rifle .
I'm glad! That's my favorite bullet!
This is my go to for my Ruger LCR 327 federal magnum. Also looks really awesome in the speed loaders.
Bill, It comes to my attention that if you go to the Berryville Facility you likely go through Russellville in Arkansas.
On the off chance you do, and your feeling hungry when you do, stop by Fat Daddy's BBQ in Russellville and I'll hook you up with Arkansas best BBQ
I ain't gunna lie, it don't compare to Texas, but our steaks are too notch
Underwood sells this exact ammo I've been using it for years .
That's because underwood has a contract with them. I prefer the underwood loaded ammo because in the business I'm in I need a nice safe hot load and underwood is in the top of that category!
Would love to see a 12 gauge slug with this Projectile
Do these revive 45 ACP/45 Super? The traditional JHP loaded to 45 Super velocity tends to over expand or have jacket separation resulting in not enough penetration. What do the wound cavities look like from the 45 Super Xtreme Defender? I keep hearing about this 2016/2017 Joint Agency ballistic test. But it is a "sanitized" version that does not show much information.
12ga slugs please
Could you guys develop a max expansion bullet for pistols? I still have about a magazine of the old 10mm Controlled Fracturing loaded by Underwood and I just ordered a box of Extreme Penetrators for my third "oh shit, I'm in a real fight" magazine, but it would be nice to have some high performance hollow points that aren't produced by Speer (great bullet, but they're hard to come by).
Great buy bill been using the loads for a while now and there the cats meow underwood has got the name out there and have good loads. Love the 308 both rounds are great for mule dear up here in Washington state good luck buddy and awesome buy my friend
I would love to see how that 90 grain 9 mm works in my nines I’m looking for good carry ammo Because if it’ll go through a car door I’m good with that
I've been reluctant to risk the use of some of what I call "gimmick bullets" for self defense, relying instead on premium conventional hollow points that I have tested extensively when I was in law enforcement. But I've seen some pretty impressive tests with Lehigh ammunition, and now that Bill owns the company and has lent his reputation to the brand, I'm more likely to try them out. Knowing him as I do, I do not think that Mas Ayoob would lend his presence to a video promoting defense ammo if he didn't think it would work. I'm not saying that I will necessarily give up my HST's and Gold Dots, just that after testing Lehigh might make my list as well.
Thanks, Let us know what you think about them after you've tested them out.
Please tell us what your brand name for these solid copper rounds are. I heard you were marketing them as Underwood and I bought some for my Glock 42 380acp. However I had excessive bullet setback in only racking them into the chamber 1x. Am I buying from the wrong company?
Me likey, nicey. I have a few boxes of the Controlled Chaos, and the 9mm Defense rounds. I like the price of the 9mm Lehigh rounds, not too expensive.
Just bought some of the 95 grain, the 110 grain and the 194 grain 300blk variants. If the cycle from my Aug a3m1 I will be going into debt to buy thousands of rounds….
Looks good but can we PLEASE get some in South Africa that would be awesome great product, I have this on my wish list
I would be interesting to find out how well the Lehigh defensive handgun bullet does on medium-size game, if that could be done. Or perhaps in .44 magnum on hogs. I think that's important for defensive bullets that haven't had time to acquire a track record in defensive shootings.
Having the God of Firearms and self defense Massad Ayoob on here says alot . I would bet my life on that man's knowledge . If he says those bullets will do the job then I trust him .
Watched it again
I would love to buy some of these. however they are for reloading and if you can't find primers then we can't reload anymore. do you make them already loaded from the factory?
i WILL be changing to LeHigh. Hope you've got 147 grain.
Nice razorback Bill 👌🏼👌🏼
Good to see Lehigh ammunition in good hands.
Would the Extreme Penetrator be "legal" under the Geneva Convention for military use?
Just bought some underwood extreme penetrator 380. $23 for a box of 20 plus tax and shipping. Paul liked it for shorter barrels but for longer barrels liked other options better. Should be noted, as I understand it, this round is not supposed to expand. The structure of the bullet by itself is supposed to do the dirty work.
Great now Lehigh rounds will cost even more plus I'm sad to hear it's no longer in pa
It seems like Bill Wilson has the notion that lawn enforcement could potentially use this ammunition in the future and decided to purchase it to sell to them.
Question for Mr. Wilson, do you think you will be making Xtreme Defender ammo for the 30 super carry?
Would you consider making Lehigh Controlled Choas in .357 Magnum and maybe +P for a revolver? And for a .45 ACP Pistol? I didn't see Controlled Fracturing or Maximum Expansion for either one, either. Lead-Free sounds good to me. This would be for Personal Defense with a S&W .357 Magnum 4" 586 (I'm pretty sure 586) and a Glock 21 Gen 4. I prefer Hollow Points, so these would be great. I'm no so interested in throughput by a remainder wad cutter base, but expansion for stopping. A .357 Magnum Hollow Point is more likely to stop before exiting because of the expansion, according to what I've seen and read. Thanks
Sweet.
Please tell me they're still gonna make the 300 BLK extreme expansion load!
👍
Ready for some 300 blk loaded with the ME bullets
LeHigh is my choice for getting the most out of borderline calibers.
I carry Lehigh rounds every day in every caliber!!!
I Hope this Kind of ammo doesn’t fall into the wrong hands ….
Great video
Are these available in 30 super carry as loaded cartridges or bullets?
Extreme Defender is a good one,65 grain 357 Sig ,great melon round,just great.we have a melon farm,I know.We have dangerous melons.
Cool! Hope to pick some up. If you guys could turn down the bass a bit on your audio that would be great too.
Don't you have a volume up and down knob or slider?
@@nmr6988 Yes but I also have a subwoofer. If I turn down the volume I won't be able to hear what they are saying. Now that I look at it I actually have a bass knob too. But the audio just sounds bad overall. But, yes, you are right I could turn down my bass knob. I think it would still sound bad though.
Hello. Underwood ammo also uses this same bullet. Will you’re ammo be of similar velocity as the 90 gr underwood ammo LD bullet? Thank you
nice
Thanks
Great ammo. This is my home defense choice 9mm
I carry xtreme defense in colder months while regular hollows in warmer months
Gosh I wish I lived closer to the plant. I'd love to get a job.
I think I just found my new EDC ammo. I live in both New Jersey and South Carolina. To stay legal in New Jersey my EDC's are Hornady Critical Duty in both 135 grain 357 & 135 grain 9mm+p. I will switch to the 9mm Extreme Defense. Is there any plans for a 357 Magnum Extreme Defense loading in the future. I am sure it would be a winner also.
Bob
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Is Underwood going to continue to produce this ammo as well?
Doubt it. prices will go up and Wilson will corner the market.
@@bigtrucklittlerv7969 underwood is probably the most popular with sales with these bullets. Underwood isn't going anywhere!!
What is the weight on self defense 45 acp bullets?👍😊🇺🇸
Prices will no doubt go up for hand loaders.
Will they be available in .22, both LR and Mag? How about .32 AICP? 7:34 7:34
I heard Bill Wilson say the bullets would be sold by several consumer companies such as Brownell 's but when I called them they didnt know they had such a product. Anyone know how or rather where to order them. I have some Underwood Extreme Defender in 389 for my Glick 42 bur bullet setback is really bad on those.
Will they feed properly into a Glock G36? I ask because Corbons will not.
I have been looking for some 9mm Makarov 9x18mm defensive ammo and noticed that all I can find available from Underwood in stock is Extreme Penetrator instead of Extreme Defense. I find this interesting because the Extreme Penetrator is ostensibly a hunting round so why is Underwood making the majority of their Makarov rounds in the Extreme Penetrator version? Are there really people out there hunting with the 9x18mm? Or is it that the Extreme Penetrator is more suited to self-defense applications with the 9mm Makarov? Maybe all the Extreme Defense has been sold out and the Extreme Penetrator is all that is on the shelves since it is unsuited to both defensive use and hunting since nobody uses the 9x18mm Makarov for hunting?
I am curious about how the Xtreme Defense, say in 9mm, performs in urban environments. I gotta wonder about overpenetration in apartment buildings and homes with off-target rounds.
TONS of videos about it here on YT - gel tests, penetration, etc.
@@danielbutcher5836 Care to summarize about missed shots and drywall? I'm too lazy to go research it, lol.
A missed shot is going to do what its going to do. Like any other bullet if will go through sheetrock. Sounds like you need frangibles
When and where are they available? Are they comparable to the G-9 cartridge?
Do they carry it in their pistols tho?