Marik is a BAD Duelist I Yu-Gi-Oh Theory
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- Marik is a BAD Duelist I Yu-Gi-Oh Theory
What are your thoughts on Marik ishtar being a bad Duelist?
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See, here's the thing about the Strings duel. He had a ton of cards in his hand well before Yugi drew Brain Control. All that Marik had to do was... summon another monster. Use spells or traps in his hand to pick through Yugi's defenses and damage him. He got so blinkered on his invincible combo that he didn't make obvious plays that he could have made to win.
yeah that's sooo true!!! I wonder what cards he even had, they either were super useless or he just decided not to use them
Well, in the manga, there was another rule in the game saying you could have no more then 5 cards on the field... so at least in the case of the original scripting there was a non-idiot reason for him to not play another card.
@@13KuriMaster Sure, but Card of Safe Return and Infinite Cards weren't doing anything here. A 4000-Atk Slifer is already more than enough with Jam Defender backing it.
@@so0meone Yeah, that's just examples of his strategy not being as "perfect" and "invincible" as he thought it was.... the former's even the reason why he lost.
I was just trying to justify why he didn't play a sixth card... His decision to go all out with Slifer's ATK is just a flat out bad choice on his part.
It’s possible he didn’t have any other monster outside of Rival jam and that one card he fused with it
Battle City but Marik just bricks every time and never draws the god card and folds immediately
lol he lets the opponent find the Ra in his deck for him
I mean he has plenty of summnonable monsters
This isn't a theory; it's objectively true. Marik would have lost to Mai and Joey if not for Ancient Egyptian magic physically knocking them out right when they were about to swing for game. I like how Marik is a below average duelist who is a threat due to his magical powers. It makes him a contrast to previous villains - namely Kaiba in Season 0 and Pegasus in Duelist Kingdom - both of whom were top notch duelists.
I mean..
Can we call Pegasus making and keeping the broken cards in his deck a top notch duelist. Like he knows the game sure because he made it but like...he cheats most of the time by mind reading his opponents and using broken cards.
@rushalias8511 not just top notch but I'm pretty sure as far as the story goes (I could be wrong) the toon cards are not released to public, so Pegasus has an entire custom deck just for him
@@rushalias8511to be fair, he was able to defeat people even without his mind reading.
Mai was screwed over by her inability to use Ra, not by anything Marik actually did. Joey basically won his duel but got fucked over by shadow game bullshit and rules technicalities.
Marik was trying on purpose not to win and drag out the duel for as long as possible so that he could win by physically killing Joey instead of beating him in the game
“I never said it was a good plan, only that it was incredibly evil.”
-Malik
Read that in his Abridged voice.
Hugs?
Malik?
@@jordanwooten1019 it's what Weebs call him.
@@jordanwooten1019his fake name in the abridged series, Marik goes by Malik Blishtar
@@braedenmclean5304 🤦🏿♂️ I forgot about that, my bad
Vector does it a bit better. Yes he also cheats and builds his deck poorly, but the difference is is that vector goes out of his way to intentionally play poorly - as his goal isn't really to win but to fuck with his opponent. When he actually tries going for the win he does so with minimal cheating & is competent. Until then he's more interested in turning the duel into a puzzle for the opponent to pick apart while inflicting emotional damage on them in the process. Like an even more evil version of stall.
His Duel against Merag and Durebe is a perfect example. His strategy is a self burn and heal strategy, which while also is still effective as a potential win strategy thanks to Manipulator of Souls, I'm fairly confident that 80% of the reason he went with such a strategy was to drain Nasch's life force
Then when he had to abandon that strategy he immediately kicked into gear a huge otk strategy. He's pretty decent at narrowing an opponent's options to try and win from multiple avenues. Rather than depending on a single card that infinitely generates new get out of jail free mechanics out of nowhere like Marik😝
(Granted every single anime character gets random cards to survive hyper specific situations, but Marik is definitely one of the worst offenders)
Honestly just shocked to see a late stage zexal duel brought up in a og yugioh video comment section but I agree. Vector feeling a bit like marik I think is one of the many ways zexal acted as a reimagining of duel monsters
@@serpentsfistI don't really agree with that. Other than the fact they were both crazy evil manipulative vilains (but I mean, that's the case for like, half the vilains in any media ever), what did Vector have in common with Marik?
In terms of story, one is driven by revenge and all the repressed thoughts of an abused child while the other one is the result of unbearable self guilt at the idea of having done an act he even considered unthinkable and the trauma it caused him, and the personality he built himself around that idea. While Marik wants revenge on the pharaoh and desires nothing more than destruction, Vector acts for himself at all times, yet uses others to get there. He tortures Nash so much not for revenge, but because he just hates him.
In terms of personality, Marik has pride and is a cynical psychopath with a dark demeanor. Vector is always putting on an act, he deceives not only the character but also the viewers into believing absurd things, and then mocks you for doing so. He is insane, twisted, but also very goofy and loves to joke around.
They really are different
His actual talent has always been psychologically torturing with dark magic. His duelist skills are just above of the average nothing outstanding even Ishizu seemed more skilled.
That's a lie how u skilled if isizhu knows what going to happen in duel if it was not fir her necklace she might not be a good duelist
Strings vs Yugi does a lot to highlight Marik's terrible decision making. He doesn't actually need Card of Safe Return or Infinite Cards at all - the rest of the combo is more than powerful enough on its own. What's Yugi going to do to a Slifer with 4000 Atk that can't be attacked and is unaffected by card effects? Nothing. He will do nothing because he can do nothing. Furthermore, Marik wins the duel the second he just.... plays another monster? Like, nearly ANY monster? Seriously, anything with an Atk stat above 200 could have won him that duel eventually. Slifer attacks anything Yugi plays (that isn't destroyed by Slifer's effect), then the other monster can just chip him down, it's not like Yugi can attack it without eating a massive and probably fatal counterattack the next turn. Hell, even putting Revival Jam in Atk gets the job done. Again, what's Yugi going to do, attack it with something Slifer is just going to annihilate for much more damage the following turn?
Man did everything he could have possibly done to throw the match, then he's surprised he lost.
U know the plot could not let marik win so it was not a misplay
One of Marik's best stall cards in my opinion is plasma eel which still hasn't been released as a physical card in the ocg or tcg yet. It can be turbo'd out with machine duplication and is an easy 3 monsters for a Ra tribute and it has the plus side of not being able to be destroyed by battle. Sure most of Marik's monsters don't fit a common type or archetype to be used together effectively, but I still say he is one of the best villains in the TV show, striking fear and inflicting torture into his opponents with his large variety of sinister monster cards (also some used by the rare hunters).
When an opponent summons Ra and it comes out in the form of an orb to just troll 😂
You forgot one more thing, Marik also caused Odion to lose. If he hadn't put the fake Ra in his deck he would have won against Joey without Problems.
True!
Everyone makes jokes about Duelist Kingdom and its insane rules... Or the only rule being whatever table talk you can make to justify the absurdity of it.
Evil Marik is essentially playing by those rules while everyone else is stuck playing the regular game.
Every other cards has its abilities clearly written on the card, but RA can make up whatever abilities Evil Marik wants when he isn't facing the main character.
Remove that one card... And he wouldn't even be dueling in the semi finals.
He is a great villain... Just one who wears his plot armor so openly that even the audience can see it and groan.
His main flaw is that he is an incredibly sadist.
That's a *_LIE!!! I REMEMBER_* more of the Joey vs Yami Marik duel than just the end!!
Besides, you know a character from the anime is a terrible duelist when they defeat themselves in a video game; I made my way through the pyramid & faced Yami Marik in Yu-Gi-Oh: Stairway to the Destined Duel on GameBoy Advance SP, & had my Spell & Trap zone full up with facedown cards. The idiot had no cards left in his deck, *_PLAYED CARD DESTRUCTION,_* & automatically lost to me when he couldn't draw from his deck!!
No Marik is really a mastermind. He created all those decks that his mind slaves used like the one against Yugi one of his servants using Slifer had with an almost UNBEATABLE strategy that was far more in depth and thought out than any other decks used in the show at the time. I love Marik and i constantly rewatch him summoming Ra over and over again, he is one of the all time best characters to ever exist in yugioh. 🔥🔥🔥
I don't think it discounts your point, but what about the fight between Brainwashed!Joey and Yugi? If I recall, he mostly scraps Joey's warrior spam strategy to use a bunch of burn cards. Which is uh, a Decision(TM)
Yeah that's true, but he was facing little yugi who wasn't dueling his best, so it was hard to tell to judge anyones skill's, but it deffo shows that marik prefers burn strats and slow suffering
The irony of this all is that possessed Joey’s burn strats would be the start of the Red-Eyes archetype heavily favoring burn strats. Even though he didn’t have Red-Eyes in the duel.
I think Marik Ishtar is a good duelist because he just had really good cards (remember Joey's modified deck), he's just a very good deckbuilder : lava golem, invincible cards, removing cards, burn cards. Until the duel against Atem, Yami Marik uses Marik Ishtar's deck where the cards are good and he just kinda sucks with them. Yami only really knows how to strategize with and around Ra (he uses Boganian and Granadora whereas the previous deck had legendary demon helpoemer or lava golemfor god's sake).
Yami Bakura uses stall and alternative win conditions. The only time he played aggressively was against Yami Marik and with a strategy by Marik Ishtar, which worked technically (well there was Bones but I mean come on the guy had like a 2200 atk monster and nightmare steelcage) ; also in this duel Bakura used mostly zombies and not his usual fiends. And zombies make me think of a gravekeeper more than a "ghosts" specialist (although that interpretation might be a stretch on my part).
Yeah, honestly, I really didn't like the duels with evil Merik. He's just not good and only wins because his opponent thinks Merik is actually good, so they play cautiously, or he pulls a bullshit ability out of his ass. Bakora and normal Merik vs. evil Merik was definitely the most infuriating because Bakora and normal Merik were actually dueling super well, then the writers were like, yeah, evil Merik just knows more.
Lmao agreed! 💯
Lliterally every duel he won, he did so because of plot armor.
@Multiversal Studios: All egyption god card are effected by spell card but only for one turn, because in the animé if monster reborn special summoned a monster, even if it as been pass one turn, and only negated the spell effect of monster reborn that is no longer on the field in the animé the monster summoned by monster reborn return to the graveyard
Here’s the thing with the Mai duel: if Mai didn’t summon Ra, she could have beaten Marik by just attacking with her Harpie Ladies. If she hadn’t tried to flex with Ra, she still would have won
Yami Marik's big flaw was that he was more interested in torturing his opponents, rather than winning normally. He did this as part of his revenge plot.
This was a time where cards we’re just made up baloney effects were almost conjured on the moment suited best for the moment
He's not a bad duelist but his over reliance to those God card infinite hacks dumbed him down heavily.
I say Good Marik is good as he had almost beat Atem until he subconsciously willed Brain Control to the top of his deck. That last bit is headcanon btw, and Dark Marik I'd say isn't good because when you almost lose to Mai who had won only one onscreen duel at the time, again almost two, then you're crap, throw in the Bakura Duel and there's no excuse for Evil Marik to almost lose. As for how good Ishizu is, presuming that Marik wondering if Seto can beat her isn’t a Dub only thing, odds are that of the three Egyptians, then she's at least better than Good Marik. I believe that she never changes her strategy to benefit from the Millennium Necklace. After all, she saw everything as if there's only one future, otherwise when Seto changes it because of Blue-Eyes and more specifically Kisara from the Ancient Past, it would have shown her that before the Duel as a possibility.
There's also the duel with possesed Joey, where Marik also created that deck and in that duel it was Yugi who had BS mechanics helping him as the fact that him dueling as his normal self, giving joey his puzzle and summoning red eyes weakened Marik's control over him which bought Yugi some time during the duel
Of the 5 duels Marik was in which was seen he lost 2 and won 3. 2 losses to Yugi and he should've lost to: Mai, Joey, & Bakura but won due to plot armor. Not a great record plus the dub did hurt his more evil Japanese version via censorship. Personalizing the Shadow Games was a really good idea. To be fair Yu-Gi-Oh as a franchise did have a lot of plot armor/bullshit for both heroes & villains
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**Joey Wheeler**, one of the standout duelists in the **Yu-Gi-Oh!** anime, has had his fair share of victories and defeats. Let's delve into some of the key moments when Joey faced defeat:
1. **Yugi in Episode One**: The series kicks off with Joey losing to Yugi. His deck, initially filled with monsters and lacking spell or trap cards, led to his downfall. Notably, he also lost to Tea Gardner on multiple occasions¹[1].
2. **Kaiba in Duelist Kingdom**: Driven by anger, Joey challenges Kaiba during the Duelist Kingdom arc. Unfortunately, Joey is thoroughly outmatched, despite briefly rallying with his Red-Eyes Black Dragon. Kaiba's Blue-Eyes White Dragon ultimately seals Joey's fate¹[1].
3. **Yugi in Duelist Kingdom Finals**: In a pivotal duel, Joey faces Yugi in the Duelist Kingdom finals. Joey activates Time Wizard while Dark Magician is on the field, allowing Yugi to summon Dark Sage and secure victory. Interestingly, Yugi had given Joey this card, perhaps setting him up for the loss¹[1].
4. **Duke Devlin in Season One**: Joey also lost to Duke Devlin in a duel using only booster pack cards¹[1].
5. **Yami Marik and the Shadow Realm**: In a critical moment, Joey almost defeated Yami Marik but collapsed from pain before issuing his final attack command. The effects of the Shadow Realm ultimately led to his loss²[2].
Despite these setbacks, Joey's resilience and unwavering spirit continue to make him a beloved character among fans. His reliance on luck and his regular duelist status set him apart from prodigies like Yugi and Kaiba³[3]. 🃏
Source: Conversation with Bing, 4/28/2024
(1) Yu-Gi-Oh!: Every Duel That Joey Ever Lost - Screen Rant. screenrant.com/yu-gi-oh-every-duel-joey-lost/.
(2) Yu-Gi-Oh! Joey Wheeler Trivia - Screen Rant. screenrant.com/yu-gi-oh-joey-wheeler-trivia/.
(3) Joey Wheeler is just a fluke who wins off luck, and that hurts ... - Reddit. www.reddit.com/r/CharacterRant/comments/q3t035/joey_wheeler_is_just_a_fluke_who_wins_off_luck/.
@Multiversal Studios: You wrong about the duel against yami yugi and string being possess by regular Marik, not he was posses by evil Marik, then during the duel against Mai valentine it was against Very evil Marik.
Markit comes off more unbelievably lucky due to the plot his plans barely if at all works out in the end and with the Duel with String it was mostly stalling his ass off to get tokens onto the field which he would be better just getting 2 and just summoning out a monster for the third Tribute and in the end it blew up in his face cause he didn’t think to bring into account Yugi may have a card that Steals his monsters
Them steroids and dark Egyptian magic was poisoning Marik’s mind & dueling skills
"Slifer is one of the 3 most powerful god cards in the game" 1:57 There are more than 3 god cards???
Technically yes XD if you count the Wicked Gods
4:01 - no. That was a bad combo that self destructed.
It's shows he needs to improve.
ohhh could u explain a little more? why do u think it was a bad combo just because yugi found 1 small way around it
@@MultiversalStudios card of safe return and infinite hand speeds up decking him out. and adds NOTHING to his win condition.
many ways to force him to deck out there. just gotta put a way to kill the jelly every turn and set a monster because osiris is literally the only attacking creature avaiable.
not even hard to do.
he just saw a bunch of cards coming to his hand and didn't even think of the issues it would bring.
he does not need an infinite hand.
he does not need to draw 3.
what he needs, is something that ensures he'll never deck out, stuff to stop attacks in case they get around the jelly and monster removals so he can attack for game.
I honestly think him being a shit duelist actually boosts his villain status in a way. For all intent and purposes he clearly doesn't give a fuck about the card game, just absolute power. All of the previous antagonists before him shared some level of respect for the game, and thus had some level of skill. Mariks entire end goal is to torture the shit out of his opponents until they die and eventually win the rest of the gods back. Winning the game isn't a priority to him.
You as a kid when you watch a tv show, and you ask yourself why does the villain not just kill them instead of respecting the rules? Marik is the answer to that question, he's a real life villain.
I honestly think that the question is why Strings has Slifer in the first place?
Marik's deck definitely needs work. Just by back in the day dueling cards, Marik had a lot to work with. In some of his duels, it was shown that he had monsters that his other Rare Hunters used. It would have been cool if he included more of those cards, such as Mask of Restrict. If I'm not mistaken, anime only "Mask of Restrict" prevented his opponents from tribue summoning, right? That would have been a heavy blow to Yugi and would force Yugi to waste a card to get rid of it.
And a couple of those metor cards he had Joey use would have been good as well.
Marik had 2 combos that almos won hin the game in a fair way vs Joey, anticipated bakura+marik trying to steal ra and was once again in controll vs yugi who only survived thanks to kaiba's card. Quite impressive for a "bad duellist".
The duell vs mai is harder to evaluate but once mai took ra it was obvious she would try to summon it.
Marik never obtained his cards legitimately due to the rare hunters having fake cards as well as stealing rare cards. Mariks deck would be expensive because in the anime, decent cards are expensive.
Idea: What if Serenity and Miho were the main duo instead of Joey & Yugi respectively? they're my favorite characters
Ohhhh I'm actually working on a video about Miho, it's just taking a while! Since I'm rewatching all the episodes with her
brother you literally said that he had the skills to give yugi a back a forth and manage to play around the egyptian gods without one of his on and then not even 5 seconds after you said "how far would he really go on his?" what the hell? you even have a whole ass short saying that jounouchi would have lost if marik had really taken him seriously. I'll say that marik isn't as good as kaiba, bakura or yugi/atem but he is definitely one of the strongest duelist of DM, I do not see him losing to jounouchi or mai, he simply wanted to toy with them but he didn't need such tricks, however with the other duelists it was clear he had the ability to really give them a fight greater than those 2 would have given them. you could argue his good side was better but there's no real way to prove that either, furthermore he edited his deck himself against bakura and still managed to be a very tough opponent.. that's not something you just do if you weren't half as good as the original owner of the deck.
i respect this theory a lot because you actually analyzed these duels and in the end your final statement is very logical, thanks.
There are also two competing arguments you could've made here:
1) You present the argument that Marik over-relies on the Egyptian Gods, particularly Ra, during his duels. And sure, he does build his decks around his boss monster. There's nothing necessarily wrong with that. In the real life game, there are extremely powerful boss monsters that you either have to build your deck around or risk bricking on them if you can't use them. The two real questions are how well he can bounce back when his opponent finds an answer to his boss monster (which he arguably does when he's forced to sacrifice Ra after Yami Yugi uses Fiend Sanctuary), and what kind of deck would he build if he wasn't relying on a God card.
2) With that as a segue, remember that he was also the leader of the Rare Hunters. He would have access to almost any Duel Monsters card ever printed. So on top of asking what kind of deck would he build if he wasn't relying on one God card or another, also consider that he had access to virtually all of Duel Monster's card library up to that point in the series, and this was the deck he chose to build.
Exactly if he somehow lost ra he would probably just build a exodia deck and his revival jam will be great defense to stall until he draws exodia
Saying Marik has talent because he discovered a combo that I feel like most other duelists could’ve came up with considering his overall skill is kinda bs to me. He had a card literally no one else had and the only people who did have just happened to not run revival jam. That’s not big brain he’s just the only one who had the peices
I mean your not wrong I guess 🤔
The combo was kinda smart tho
@@AndyBrixton999nope. It self destructed.
Card of safe return and infinite hand are literaly dead weight and just made him die.
Should have been replaced with useful things like swords of revealing light or mirror force. Even man eater bug would have done much more.
@@AndyBrixton999 not saying it wasn’t a good combo. I just don’t think it was an advanced combo. I honestly believe the average duelist could pull that off if they had the same cards
You mean slifer the executive producer?
Yami already beat Marik twice before the semi-finals of Battle City even start.
Marik isn’t really a bad duelist per say, he’s just more focused on torturing his opponents than winning the duel. The only reason that he was about to lose to Joey is because he only used the immortal Phoenix ability to destroy Gilford, and maybe kill Joey, instead of doing that and then attacking directly. You can tell he wasn’t actually relying on his shadow game to win.
I think it’s safe to say that yami marik and marik Ishtar are completely different entities when it came to how they present themselves marik Ishtar is more of the schemer type the amount of stuff he does to screw with yugi throughout battle city is mind boggling he directly tries to interfere with the protagonists more times then both Pegasus and dartz combined and there were several times where he almost wins however yami marik eh he’s cocky to a fault not only does he not duel to his hardest every duel he’s in but he insists on prolonged torture sessions for no rhyme or reason to it at all sure that makes him more potentially dangerous but I think marik Ishtar even though he doesn’t know the full secrets of ra whould actually have better luck fighting his duels
marik is just too arrogant, he'd rather torture his opponents than win 😂😂
Facts! lol
I actually don't agree with this take. Marik cards are actually insane for the DM era. Ocasionaly i go on EdoPro and have fun with anime character decks, and Marik's deck is actually the best one (from the DM era), follow by Yugi and Kaiba. He has a counter for almost everything. You should try it, it's really fun 😁.
Marik's problem is that he is a sadist and likes to torture and toy with his opponets, not to mention way to damn cocky xD.
Hey I actually have tested all the anime decks because I am also a big fan of that stuff XD
and I won't lie, I got the opposite results, Yugi's deck was the best due to the amount of high powered traps, and Seto's was second
@@MultiversalStudios Hmmm. I guess luck of the draw really counts xD. With Marik deck sometimes I won against 5Ds and Zexal characters, Yuma and Yusei included xD.
Can we talk about the Joey vs Marik when somes turns Yami Marik does not attack ? Huges miss plays like those that make Joey would have won
TGS Anime dissected the duel. If Joey summoned Jinzo at his first chance, he'd have won. Otherwise, no major miss plays.
There were two times when Marik chose not to attack. The first, after he summoned the 2000 attack monster, he wanted Joey to destroy it. All he could do was get rid of the sheep tokens, making Joey less likely to attack and leaving him no option but to summon Jinzo. The second he wanted Joey to trigger Card of Last Will so he could draw a bunch of cards. Since Joey already had a monster who could trigger it, that was a viable play on Mariks part.
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Yes. I've been saying this for a while
He won every single duel. Due to plot armor
Lets be honest, its all plot armor because none of these combos are even viable in the TCG. so they work for the episodes in question, but thats about it
If you had a card to put ra out of play, it would be an easy duel
I say it again and a again: Do you really think Bakura is that stupid losing that easy while one duel before he employed a double kill strategy? He lost on purpose because that plays into his plans and winning wouldn't accomplish anything
Aa much as I love the video, I cant say I agree with everything. I think Marik was holding back against Joey and Mai by torturing them with shadow magic. I do agree Ra's bullshit effects favored him, but I dont think hes a terrible duelist at all.
I love Marik, but yeah he's terrible, that's why he needs to rig things in his favor.
That and he plays with his food instead of finishing the job.
Yami Marik is probably a better strategist than regular Marik, despite being the same entity.
Yami marik is a good duelist, he is just an absolute troll, lol.
I mean marik did abuse both the power of the shadow games and lied his way to victory with Ra bullshit but that doesnt make him a bad duelist, on the contrary, in each and every duel he has ever been marik used all of the available means to win and torture his opponents at the same time. Each easy to say oh every match he wins is because of Ra or magic and taking those away leaves as with little skill, but that couldnt be further from the truth. Marik had powerful cards like Ra or slifer at one point and made decks and game plans around that and the benefits of a shadow game. Using all the tools that are available to you, and even swaping between them at times is the mark of a good duelist, the same way that you would never call a modern pro player a bad duelist in yugioh just because the played meta. Marik used the strategies that made him win, and that makes him a good duelist.
He's bad because his skill was never what got him his wins.
Some out of nowhere bs always saved him from defeat.
@@alicepbg2042 Marik made the best out of the shadow games magic. Basic rule of the shadow games is that they are always applied equaly to all participants and marik choose to use that to show of why he is strong. Marik uses Mai's low self esteem in relation to how he is tragically alone and has no loved ones to lose the memories of, uses pain against joey to take advantage of his high monster count and because he is saddistic so he doesnt care and abuses his good part's ignorence against him. All in all yes Marik doesnt display much skill in term of outplays but he still has skills, using both mai and Bakura as means to turboing out Ra was impressive too (yugi's win was also only due to bs as well tbh, ragnarok was a card of all time)
@@aceofswords3340 no. he chooses the rules. He is always at an advantage. And ra having magic text in egyptian that only appears when you play him is bs that literally saved him.
He didn't use mai, he didn't plan for that. Just bs saving his ass.
Same with joey.
Idiot got so overcofident in his evilness that he almost lost to "summon a guy, attack".
I'm not saying he's an ameba. But compared to the people he's playing against, he's bad.
He's got evil magic and presence on his side. That is all.
All the ishtars are carried by their magic... it's fine. He's still a cool villain, we don't need to pretend he is great at yugioh.
@@alicepbg2042 he chooses the rules, but the rules are applied as a condition to both players, it's not like he can make it so he can get an unfair advantage, although choosing something that he is resistant too is fair game (pain or losing memories don't really affect him because of his personality)
You make it sound like marik just has some evil magic he uses but that's not the case, Marik owns a millennium item and can start shadow games, that's it, yami does the exact same thing in season 0 (making games that are technically fair to both parties but he has an overwhelming advantage due to his personality, always wins and leaves the opponent in a crippled state), Bakura does it too. It's not random plot magic, instead its a real mechanic in the Yugioh universe that adds to the game in the anime. Maybe you think that this doesn't translate to actual card game skills, but his aptitude for understanding Ra is a busted card that little can use and making a deck that makes the most out of every effect he has is card game skill, heck he is the only Egyptian God user who is so fixated on special summoning his god card
@@aceofswords3340 he made it to give himself unfair advantages every single time.
like you said, the punishments do not affect him. massive advantage.
that is the evil magic. the shadow games. it's the magic of the verse.
it is random bs that continues to save him. ra has magic text unrelated to the shadow game, joey dies just before winning... call it whatever you want... it's the plot saving him.
it doesn't translate to card game skills. it's just a fact. having access to a powerfull card doesn't make him good at the game.
anyone can make strategies, he's not special.
and the strategies he showed, are not great. in fact, many are bad.
"of the total 3 egyptian god users he's the only one that special summons it" oh wow ain't he just special for the feat of OWNING the one god card that SPECIFICALLY CAN ATTACK DURING THE TURN IT'S SPECIAL SUMMONED?
because the others could not... since special summoned monsters could not attack the turn they are summoned in battle city. so why would others use this strategy with the other gods when they die at the end phase?
It’s pretty pointless to say nobody did the slifer combo before. It’s the first time we’ve seen slifer plus there’s only one copy of slifer anyway
True but when Yugi took over slifer, we never actually saw anything like that from him, Yugi played it pretty standard
I like the theory but at the same time I feel like if you did take away Yami Marik’s ability to use shadow magic and Ra he wouldn’t be playing the same deck that he does. He plays a lot of slow burn and monster removal to take advantage of the shadow game. And he does have lots of access to a lot of cards so I feel if he didn’t play Ra he would move one to a different win condition. Just playing devils advocate.
OHHHHHH I didnt think about that!! that is deffo something to consider actually, a different playstyle to match him not owning Ra or Shadow magic
Bro he would move to exodia deck revival jam will be a brick wall to his life points while he draws for exodia
It ain't a theory, his deck is on par with Atem's for most gimmicky.
Marik using his own deck is not a bad duelist at all if you watch TGS yugioh channel where he analysis the duel step by step marik in almost all of his duels had the cards to win or could have activated cards at certain times to win and chose not to so he could torture his opponents or he underestimated them like how he didnt see joey as a threat so didnt take him seriously...or he wants to destroy his enemies a specific way
This isn't a theory
it's a fact
Lol I guess so XD
If we're saying that Marrick is not a good duelist specifically because he uses Shadow magic, then I would argue that neither is yamiYugi, Pegasus or literally half the cast
I think were talking about there reliance on the shadow magic, I think for pegasus he's deffo guilty of that aswell, but we have seen pegasus duel without shadow magic and he's not bad at all
I would like to disagree about the Strings duel. That combo is overly greedy, and Yugi took advantage and exploited a big weakness in the combo, which led to Yugi winning. If Marik didn't rely on such a greedy combo, he may have won.
I agree the drawing part is greedy, but the jam defender part is solid XD
@MultiversalStudios yeah, I agree. if he didn't have card of safe return, he likely would have won. And that jam defender / revival jam combo is busted af in the anime. 🤣
It's also interesting to note that Marik needed exactly card of safe return, Revival jam, and Slifer the Sky Dragon in order for Yugi to pull off that counter that he did.
His victories were all plot armour. Take away his shadow magic and Ra and he'll only be able to beat opponents like Tristan or Serenity. Even Téa would be more than a match for him.
Lmao Tristan and Serentiy huh XD
Says that as Atem doesn't pull plot armor out of his ass when he's about to loose literally cheats to pick just the cards he needs to win.
@@MultiversalStudios Well they were the worst 2 duelists.
Marik wasn't terrible he just didn't take anyone seriously
Bad duelist and a cheater, his ass should've been DQ'd.
What rule did he break? other than the foreign language card
Yeah Yami Marik ain’t even top 10. He relied on Ra so heavy. 4 times against Yugi. 4! Whole! Times! Nah bro you don’t summon the same monster 4 different times
He did exceptionally well against Bakura
True, but that only because the other marik didn't know the full effects of Ra
Bakura was giving away Life Points like candy on Halloween. The dude was basically defeating himself
Are there any good duelists in that season?
Lmao what do you mean? XD
Yes, they're just playing with new rules kaiba made up.
Joey's deck is pretty bad, but that's because he's poor - not because he's bad (as seen in the show, he's a good pilot)
@@jaernihiltheus7817 After seeing darkside of dimensions, I don't think he's a good pilot
@@Pppp-zi7ex joey never dueled in dark side of dimensions, or any of the movies (on screen, i mean)
@@jaernihiltheus7817 You really didn't understand what I said
Marik is my favorite villain so uhhhh, youre wrong.
Disagree greatly hes a very good duelist, you cant call him bad because hes scripted to lose to the protagonist. In every duel he easily is in control of his matches, and if you can toy w your opponent it just gives further indication how good he is as a duelist. The fact that Joey almost won dosent mean hes bad it shows how far Joey had come as a player.
I agree with the part it shows how far Joey has come!!
I was more talking about Marik's reliance on Ra and Shadow magic, instead of relying on his skills as a duellist
Is yubel crushing marik
Marik is a Villain Duelist
but do u agree he's a bad Duelist :)
@@MultiversalStudios Cheating Duelist
Lost to joey twice. He is the worst villain.
Joeys a good duelist though lol
You're a bad duelist.
No I'm not 😭 take it back
My theory is Marik was not a very good duelist because Mr. Tweetums was the brains of the operations. He was the best friend a villain could ever ask for after all.
Marik has a superior anime deck in the first series because it’s actually built around torture and reviving ra and those bullshit abilities are built into spell card support
Not a theory. It's an objective fact that I've been saying for literally years but people can't seem to comprehend it. Great video.
Thank you!
Controlling Bandit Keith: Let's give someone who uses Machine Monsters a Non-Machine Ritual Monster with no Effect
Controlling Joey: Let's use Raigeki to destroy a single weak Monster... also give him a card that would allow Joey to end this duel in a draw (yes, Meteor of Destruction randomly had the effect that the User would then be attacked by the opponents Monster...)
Isn't this just canon? Marik primarily relies on other people to duel for him, and when he does duel himself, he wins by causing his opponents physical pain to throw them off or make them surrender, and when that doesn't work, he relies entirely on the pure power of Ra. He's a "Strong Duelist" in that he has actual magic on his side and manages to win more often than not, but he's never described as being particularly skilled.
Marik isn’t a bad duelist, he’s just an asshole. He prolonged duels he could have won just to torture people and to use Ra to try to kill them, since normal monsters don’t have real power. In the real version he uses Ra to kill Jonouchi. Any other monster would have just hurt him. Only a god card can kill him. He also tried to kill Mai with Ra, but Yugi was able to tank its attack because of his puzzle’s power. I don’t remember what Marik’s motive is in the awful 4kids dub, but it’s supposed to be that he just wants to hurt people as much as possible. He plays based on achieving that goal.
I quite honestly agree with this, as I believe that the fact that (as was pointed out in this video) Marik, as far as we are aware, came up with the strategy he used when he dueled Yugi through Strings; add to this the fact that he made it to the final match in the tournament kinda sorta disproves that he is as bad a duelist as people like to say he is. Sure, he tends to overly rely on his shadow magic and Egyptian God card to carry him in his duels, but anyone else would probably at the very least be tempted to do the same if they were in his position; also consider that he was able to bring out Ra pretty consistently in his duels he did participate in: being a monster that requires 3 monsters to be tributed to summon is NOT going to be an easy card to play, at least not by the standards of the meta back then -- it's even acknowledged that Yugi is a skilled duelist for bringing out Slifer before Kaiba could play Obelisk, so by that logic, we can hardly discredit Marik for using Ra as often as he does. In fact, I would go so far as to say that discrediting Marik for overusing Ra in his duels is quite frankly a load of bullshit: if you look at the way players in real life construct their decks in whatever trading card game they choose to play, they all tend to build them around a certain strategy -- oftentimes focused around a big monster/creature that can help to swing a game in their favor -- it's completely normal and accepted, and as I pointed out already, if Marik COULD summon Ra as frequently and consistently as he did, why wouldn't he WANT to abuse something as powerful as Ra? I get that they gave Ra a lot of abilities -- more so than the other 2 Egyptian God cards -- and while it made it seem unfair in some way to have such power at his disposal, at the same time, because of how many things Ra could do, it was kind of hard to fit them all into a single duel, especially since it wouldn't always make the most sense to use some of them, and consequently, this would mean that many players that didn't own it would be unaware of everything it could do, and even if they were, it's still a lot to keep track of; AGAIN, it makes sense that Marik would want to use Ra given both how powerful it is and that his deck can bring it out consistently -- multiple times in a single duel even -- that he would WANT to build his main strategy around taking full advantage of such a card. Sure, he may have relied on his rare hunters to get his hands on the locator cards he needed to enter the finals to begin with, but it also makes sense that he would want to keep a low profile as much as possible: not only would Kaiba have likely targeted him MUCH sooner to try and take Ra for himself if he knew who to look for (and you just KNOW that Kaiba would if he had the chance to), but also because he knew that Yugi wanted to stop him from carrying out his plans -- the simple fact that Joey lost one of his most prized cards to one of Marik's rare hunters is already giving Yugi some personal incentive to take him down, in addition to being made aware that he has to stop him for the fate of the world. Even his reliance on shadow magic can be justified to a degree, not just because it's very in-character for a villain in a series like Yu-Gi-Oh to do so, but because he wants to get any advantage that he can; every other duelist in the series with a millennium item tends to take advantage of it to help in their duels, maybe not to the same extent as Marik did, but they were still shown to rely on them, and it wouldn't be the same without it. Again, I would like to point out that Marik managing to make it to the final duel in the tournament proves that he has more skill as a duelist than people are giving him credit for, even in duels were he was carried by his shadow magic to win: sure, Mai was able to take his Egyptian God card from him, but it was WELL ESTABLISHED by that point in the series that only people that had connections to ancient Egypt could use the power of those cards, so I can NOT in good faith call bullshit on her not being able to use it against her even though she summoned it against him, as there was no chance that she could have been able to control it -- the final result is HARDLY surprising taken in context. And sure, Joey almost beat Marik in their duel, but Joey was also playing on the backfoot for most of it -- this being a major part of the reason why he got so exhausted by the end of it -- causing him to pass out before being able to attack for game: yes, Joey would have won if the duel had played out the same way, minus the shadow game taking it's toll on him throughout, but there were also likely a few points in their duel at the very least that Marik could've capitalized on to ensure his victory instead of prolonging Joey's suffering more
No, Marik is 100% a bad Duelist, which is made evident by the anime. The only reason Mai lost was because despite generally out playing Marik towards the end of the duel, she lacked the common sense to just swing for game and instead opted to summon Ra; a card she couldn't even read and use properly because its text was in Egyptian. Joey also had Marik beat towards the end of the duel, but had to pass out from exhaustion because of plot armor. Marik was too arrogant to deserve either of those wins, and if he wasn't the main villain then the plot wouldn't have cared enough about him to win either duel because everyone he faced genuinely had better decks and more skill.
So umm...using the stings as point.
To me marik is a good dullest
And yami marik(not sure if it is named that but basicly the batshitni nsane one) is the one that is bad.
Overconfidence and playing badly on purpose still make you bad
Nah he's a bad duelist, he lost Slifer because of his stupidity, he had TWO gods cards.
Reminder that odion and the rare hunters are the only reason marik, odion, ishizu even got into the finals as they got all the clear card things for the 3 of them. Odions duel against joey was a lot different because everyone thought odion was marik causing joey to be extra cautious early on until hr eventually calls that bluff out but still cautious due trap mind games. If marik didnt force odion to use the fake ra odion could of won at that point
Facts %100
wait, so your telling me that ishizu works for the rare hunters
bwah!!!
Ishizu worked solo. She won all her duels thanks to her necklace. She almost beat Kaiba with it.
Yeah but the difference is is that odion and ishizu are actually good duelists. Odion essentially beat joey before marik forced him to piss off Ra, while ishizu would've beat kaiba if he played optimally in his final turn - as she had a planned counter in place to defeat one of the best duelists in the world by exploiting what he *should* have played, but he instead intentionally misplayed which prevented that counter from going off. It was the modern tcg equivalent of summoning poplar and going straight into battle instead of going full combo.
I agree with the odion part, BUT is ishizu a good duelist??
take away her millenium necklace, and is she still as good XD
I’m like to point out something that rarely anyone point out…. Marik isn’t using real cards except for the god cards. All of the rare hunter uses fake cards meaning stuff like rarity for cards which is a real big thing because you need to gamble a ur in the battle city tournament, dont applies to them so they can be running 3 cards of whatever despite there possibly being only 1 of x in the world.
But Marik is a bad duelist on purpose, when compare to Bakura and Pegasus the thing that make them all different is their respect for games. Pegasus love games but in his arc abuse the rules to allow him to win, Bakura while he doesn’t respect games as much, he’ll play games by the rules but make a scenario that make people play his game, Bakura is someone who doesn’t respect the game and doesn’t abide by the rules. Something I mention earlier is Marik using fake cards, but he also uses illegal cards as soon in his duel as Joey; Kaiba points out that some of the cards being played are illegal. Kaiba only allows this because eliminating marik for all these illegal plays mean also losing Ra. Marik is a cheater and Yugi, Joey and Mai all show that cheating can only get you so far.
I thought kaiba's new duel disk protected against fake cards!
@@MultiversalStudios no, to give an example the reason why Arkana Dark Magician is dark skin is because it’s a counterfeit Dark Magician
Arguably the Slipher strategy he had wasn't even a good one, since it required 5 specific cards, including the one of copy of Slipher the sky dragon. While yes, one of those cards is revival jam, which by itself is effectively an instant win card if your opponent has no way of banishing or taking control of it, but the other cards are effectively useless by themselves. Even card of safe return which is downright broken, drawing 3 cards with each revive, there's no way to know if he actually ran multiple ways to revive things from the grave. Being generous, 3 of those cards were useful outside of the combo, with infinite cards and jam defender largely being exclusively combo oriented cards that do nothing if he doesn't have most or all of the combo already established.
When it comes to Revival-Jam, imma just point out that it was lucky there wasn’t much for piercing damage back then, lol.
Id say Marik could have won against Joey if his strategy wasn't to torture his opponent. He could have won a lot of duels if he didn't drag them out.
I think Joey vs Odion, Marik servant, should also be included. Odion almost won but Marik made him summon the fake Egyptian god, causing him to lose as the real Ra getting angry and took him down
Marik relying on cheating manipulation Ra and ancient egyptian magic is litteraly his whole character. Joey would've won if it's want for his injuries
I think it’s only ra that he relies on. He just uses his magic to torment his opponents
@ugochukwunyere3196 he use the Millenium Rod, which use Magic. Also Ra and the Shadow magic actually harm people
Bakura is a better duelist
Bakura would have won if just played destiny board after Marik used remove trap. Bakura actually made terrible moves in that duel
In terms of antagonists I'd say
Pegasus cheated too much and relied on shadow magic against Yugi, therefore not a strong duelist.
Marik is very similar to Pegasus in that way and relies on Ra BS abilities, and therefore not a strong duelist.
Dartz may qualify as good, but I'm wondering if we can count him since the Oricalcos is so plot driven and even within the canon it's not a card that is printed by Industrial Illusions, it's just some magic that Dartz has from the ancient world so...eh...
Bakura may be a good duelist. Hear me out! He lost a lot, true. However, I can't think of any time when he relied on BS Shadow Magic. Anytime he duelled, he did it with his own deck and legit skill. Whenever he did lose, the opponent legit struggled, so it was not a simple/easy win. Against little Yugi in season 5, he gets Yugi down to a 1 turn or lose situation.
Gozoboro, nope (just nope)
Zigfried seems strong as does Leon. They duel with their abilities, yes Zig cheats during Leon's duel but it's established they are both quite capable even when not cheating.
Noah was only good because of rules he created in a world he controlled, so again, not a good duelist.
Yami might be questionable as a duelist, true due to his luck capabilities. However, I feel like this might be nullified because he frequently duels against cheaters. Therefore, cheating vs a cheater...I think that nullifies it so we're fine.
My thoughts on the antagonists vs Yami, at least.
Yeah. No, this has become a popular theory, but it is absolutely not true. It is not an accident that Mai tried to summon Ra instead of attacking Marik. That is literally what he was goading her into doing, and let's also not ignore him controlling the duel before then.
He dominates the duel against Bakura, shutting down everything he tried to do, and was toying with Joey for most of the duel, that was his mistake, but you have to be ABLE to play well to be in a position where you can just toy around with someone.
Also, Joey beating him isn't a sign of how bad Marik is, it's a sign of how GOOD Joey is.
But this is the real deathblow to the idea that he's a bad duelist: He duels CIRCLES around Atem.
Bad duelist, excellent torturer
LOL that's so true!!!
People also forget that after Yami Marik defeated Yami Bakura, he took the Millennium Ring, which made his shadow powers stronger and added way more to shadow games BS. He knew that the Pharaoh himself was strong enough to prevent the shadow game from affecting his mind or body. So, with the added power of the Millennium Ring, he was able to bypass some of the Pharaoh's defenses and affect regular Yugi instead. That's how he was able to put himself in a shadow game against the Pharaoh that basically only affected his enemies. I mean let's face it, had the plot armor not kicked in, even if Yami Marik had lost the duel normally, he was not really putting himself in any danger and would've still lived. Basically further confirms that Marik was more Ra and Shadow Power reliant than having actual dueling skills. He is still a fantastic villain though, and arguably the best one in the series.
People forget that Yami Marik dominated Yugi throughout their duel. The one duel Yami Marik actually took seriously.
Marik might not be the best duelist but he is for sure the one wiht the COOLEST demenaour. Like all of his antics and his looks are so cool. In the sub he is soo sleaky and cool. His voice actoir is INSANE.
Yes, Marik and Pegasus are bad duelists, Marik uses magic to cheat even with a broken card, and Pegasus has a literal custom deck only for him that only he can have because he made the game, and he mind reads via magic too...
I dont think he is weak the anime protray him weak the manga does him a bit better but his stats are higher than joey the gospel of truth will show you what level marik is on and he is above joey and sort of on the same level as pegasus i even went back and watch the manga with him vs joey he wasnt doin rubbish in that duel but the ending part where he was defence less was something by the creators after he summons ra but no he isnt rubbish he was doin good against mai and joey in the manga but the last two parts with ra is what mess him up i always called on ra ra maybe is bestfriend and against yugi he was doin good as well
There's a difference between using the best option and relying on it marik is the latter without it he'd crumble